Isabel Celis Breaking News: Child Services Removes Sons From Sergio Celis Care and Placed With Mother
In the latest development in the April 21st disappearance of missing Tucson child Isabel Celis, her father Sergio has been stripped of his physical custodial rights of her brothers.
There has been no confirmation from Tucson Police about the children’s removal and placement, and CPS has only confirmed the boys have been placed with one parent.
Sources inside the investigation have confirmed to www.blinkoncrime.com that evidence gleaned in the investigation has warranted alternative placement of the couples oldest children in the wake of the disappearance of their daughter, Isabel.
The boys, whose names have been reported previously elsewhere but are being intentionally withheld by www.blinkoncrime.com have been placed together, not separately.
Check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for details.
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T. Ruth says:
May 15, 2012 at 4:29 pm
“Get your butt home”, I seriously doubt he actually said that to his wife, but he in saying that to the dispatcher, is TRYING TO BE FUNNY.
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T. Ruth makes a good point; he might not have worded it that way to his wife, just to the 911 operator.
I think that the statement that SC said…get your butt home…says it all. What mom needs to be told to get home when her daughter is missing? None! If my husband called me and said my daughter was missing…I would not have waited to hear anything else. I would have been gone, in my car. So…why did he say get your butt home? did he need her home to help cover his story. Why have your son call, unless you feel you didn’t do a good job on your first call? Seriously…something is wrong. Who would come in a yard that has a 5 foot fence with 3 dogs in to grab a child? No One!!! If this was a hoax to raise money…admit it! Otherwise, something bad happened to Isa. Things do not add up!
@@wpg says:
May 15, 2012 at 2:51 pm
So . . . either the dispatcher who updated was wrong and/or LE has redacted a portion of the 911 calls regarding Isa’s clothing description for some reason.
And to add, the 911 operator was remiss then also by not asking what color Isa’s top was?
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I read that parts of the 911 calls were redacted. I’ll try to find the link.
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(snipped)”Before releasing the audio, police redacted the recordings, removing sensitive or private information. The raw clips are available in the video box in the upper left corner of this page precisely as they were released to the media. Gaps in parts of the recording may be due to police edits.”
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/151452855.html
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I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if SC is implicated in her disappearance. BC probably left for work right before the incident occurred and obviously before the dogs started barking. I would like to know if the two brothers heard any commotion. LE is dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s by process of elimination. If SC is involved what would be the motivation?
“Family friend defends Isabel Celis’ dad”
article snips:
“Family friend Joe Vega told Grace, “He’s laughing because he said the word ‘butt.’” According to Vega, Celis never swears and he may have been laughing because he caught himself saying a word he usually wouldn’t.”
“According to Vega, Isabel’s mother and brothers are “outraged” that he is currently not allowed to have contact with his sons.
“Becky and the boys do not believe Sergio was involved in any way,” he said.
Vega said those scrutinizing Sergio Celis’ behavior do not know him and have not heard the man break down and cry on the phone like he has.”
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/05/15/family-friend-defends-isabel-celis-dad
more video of SC’s friend on Nancy Grace
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/05/15/celis-friend-reacts-911-calls
43. wpg says:
May 15, 2012 at 7:52 pm
The account of 6:38am, 2 men having a conversation with frantic barking dogs (with each other, not the dogs) is still bugging me.
Blink, how would LE ascertain that the neighbor is being truthful with everything?
Thank you.
My sources say she is legit and her phone checks out. It should bug you, all of us, it is a critical piece of evidence, imo.
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If RC works 7AM to 7PM, she was probably gone by then. I would bet those were Isa’s male relatives looking for her. JMO.
Correct, I agree, and is a problem with the timeline.
B
I can’t get over how relieved Sergio sounds on the 911 call. It’s almost as if something has been lifted off his shoulders, not of someone who just had the weight of the world put on his shoulders due to his daughter missing. His voice, tone and wordage are chilling to me. I can’t listen to it anymore.
Why would they be looking for her at 6:38 a.m.? Wouldn’t you call Rebecca rght away, why wait until after 8:00 a.m. to find out if Isabel was with her or not and have her come return home urgently???
Still the question, who belongs to the male voices?
6:28 AM
B
If Celis used a word he normally didn’t use and it made him laugh, I’d be okay with that if it were a night out with friends. But this was a serious situation. I think it sounded more like he was trying to impress the 911 operator, but she just kept plugging along and didn’t acknowledge his “attempt at humor”. He then laughed when he said his wife was home and was “freaking out”. I also doubt that his family is outraged about the no contact ruling. Just my opinion.
When I first heard of this case, HLN was interviewing the female neighbor whose dog barked at 6:30 a.m. the morning of Isa’s disappearance. When she stated she heard male voices coming from Isa’s window area, my first thought was that the ‘males’ (SC and JM?)were trying to stage Isa’s window to appear as if there was an abduction. After listening to bites of the 911 call, it appears to me that SC set his oldest son up to witness the ‘staged’ window (screen in the back yard?)so the son would back up SC’s claim of an abduction. Of course his son is innocent and only reports what he saw.
The timeline appears to be off if BC was still in the home, but I think SC is brassy enough to go out and stage the scene while she was still home – in the bathroom getting ready perhaps? Door closed, water running, hoping she didn’t hear anything. In my house, if I’m in certain areas of the house, I don’t detect anything going on outside in certain locations if my t.v. is on etc. etc. It doesn’t take long to stage a window. And that is of course if BC is innocent of any wrongdoing.
@Kris. I come from a lower middle class
TX culture that would say “get your butt home”
to a family member but would understand not
to repeat it in public, ie to 911. I think
he repeated his comfy trash talk under stress
& giggled from embarassment once said.
I don’t think the phrase all that odd with less
educated in the SE US.
Does anyone know if it has been reported where SC was when BC went to work? Was he still in bed? He was up late and said he fell asleep in LR watching a game (IIRC)at midnight. Was he on the couch sleeping when she got up or had he made it to bed and she left him sleeping? Did he get up with her when she got up? Thanks for helping me out if you know anything.
Prayers of Isa!
@ GraceintheHills says:
May 15, 2012 at 9:48 pm
43. wpg says:
May 15, 2012 at 7:52 pm
The account of 6:38am, 2 men having a conversation with frantic barking dogs (with each other, not the dogs) is still bugging me.
Blink, how would LE ascertain that the neighbor is being truthful with everything?
Thank you.
My sources say she is legit and her phone checks out. It should bug you, all of us, it is a critical piece of evidence, imo.
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If RC works 7AM to 7PM, she was probably gone by then. I would bet those were Isa’s male relatives looking for her. JMO.
Correct, I agree, and is a problem with the timeline.
B
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I am confused….could Isa have been taken before Becky left for work? Well, that would put a whole new spin on things. What time did SC say he checked and found Isa gone? And what time did he call 911?
#8. Thanks Blink for the clarification on the time at 6:28 a.m.
Does not add up.
1. What time does BC leave for work?
2. Why were they outside IC’s window talking loud enough for anyone to hear? Was it SG? Uncle, Cousin? Intruder?
3. Would BC still be home while this was going on if she had a short commute? Wouldn’t she wonder where SG was at that time in the a.m. if he was not in the house?
I apologize if this has already been discussed, but I just read through today’s comments and didn’t see any references. Just an update:
Late this afternoon, Tucson Police and Pima County Sheriff’s Dept. were searching the desert North of Davis Monthan AFB, which is right near Freedom Park, the park where the Celises played their Little League game the night/night before Isabel celis disappeared. Of cours, the police spokesperson is saying that they have been at this location before, sometimes go to locations a number of times…..BUT, they did share that they were searching because of a lead and were looking for evidence. This was reported in the azstarnet.com (Arizona Daily Star), Kgun9.com, and KVOA.com
What could this mean? Perhaps, police are suspecting Isabel never made it home from the game and she may be in this area near the park where game was played?
I have a sick feeling after today’s events and this search in the desert in this area…….
eek, sorry, sorry for the 6:38am typo . . . did mean 6:28.
lyla,
Thank you for finding the reference to the redacted 911.
Much appreciated.
Police are now calling this an abduction. Previously, they called it a “suspicious disappearance” or “possible abduction.”
Could this mean they’ve ruled out the hoax theory?
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/police-search-desert-area-for-evidence-in-isabel-celis-case/article_2862dfba-f90b-560a-bc5b-28688eda8e04.html
Have been wracking my brain trying to come up with some sort of plausible scenario. Everything I write here is pure speculation. I am with the police I do not think Isa was abducted by a stranger and I believe the father knows where she is and if she is dead or alive.
The more info that comes out about SC, you go back and look at his demeanor in those press conferences and something isn’t right.
I also do not believe Isa is still alive due to cadaver dog usage and possibe “hit”. I also think the father is a drug user. Could little Isa have gotten up early that morning after her mother left and found her father doing something she shouldn’t have seen him do? Could he have felt like he had to silence her or she would tell the mother? I can’t think of any other scenario. The brothers it does not appear were involved and it appears BC was not either. It also appears BC probably passed polygraph and SC did not, that being one of the reasons police and CPS wanted him away from the other two children, they don’t want another Josh Powell case. JMO
@lyla says: May 15, 2012 at 10:30 pm
“I am confused….could Isa have been taken before Becky left for work? Well, that would put a whole new spin on things. What time did SC say he checked and found Isa gone? And what time did he call 911?”
Police were called at 8:14 a.m. IIRC, SC said he went to wake her up at 8 AM and he and his sons searched everywhere for her with his oldest son discovering the pushed out or removed screen and open window before calling 911.
MOO – I think it’s possible Isa was already gone before Becky left for work, as she did not check on her or see her before leaving that morning according to what she has said. I would love to know if SC was awake when Becky left. If he is guilty, did he intend for Becky to discover Isa missing?
It’s also possible Isa was removed from the home after Becky left, but seems less likely to me since most crimes take place under the cover of darkness.
Have to wonder what LE found in Isa’s room? Was this tiny child killed accidentally while being assaulted in the worst possible way…and the perp removed her body to hide evidence? I don’t think SC could have pulled this off alone…MOO. He either had help or was on the move throughout the night or as soon as Becky was out of the driveway. Similar to Kyron’s case…you have to ask who would help someone disappear a child?
I believe SC is involved and could only have acted alone if he had most of the night to pull this off. I’d love to know where he was when Becky got up.
Prayers for Isa.
oould they both have been so distracted and busy that each one thought the other had the child and could also have thought the other prepared her for bed–is that possible?? and when mom told dad she had not taken little isa from the game , dad realized that little isa was missing, and could have thought she was with a neighbor or family, thus big brother looking for her–the window could have been staged out of panic as both parents would be neglectful–if isa walked away with mom at the game the night before and mom thought that isa went back to dad and dad thought isa was with mom–and boys were sent with mom because whoever took isa could also be a threat to the boys (an acquaintance of dad) — it really doesn’t make any sense that a parent would kidnap a child to have full “custody” of them–how would they get by with that unless move out of country and then still may not get by with it—
prayers for little isa and her family
Rose says:
May 15, 2012 at 10:20 pm
@Kris. I come from a lower middle class
TX culture that would say “get your butt home”
to a family member but would understand not
to repeat it in public, ie to 911. I think
he repeated his comfy trash talk under stress
& giggled from embarassment once said.
I don’t think the phrase all that odd with less
educated in the SE US.
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I so agree with you, Rose. I try not to read much into someone’s words, inflection or affect when their child is missing. Everyone handles stress differently. He does seem intermittently distracted when he is answering the operator’s questions, almost as if his world is spinning out of control and he can do nothing to stop it. And it is. So, I’m giving him the benefit of a doubt on this, but I am very curious as to why CPS felt SC had to be separated from his sons. So, far no one has been made privy to CPS’s evidence, as far as I know.
Forgive me if this has been published already, but does anyone know the exact time the first 911 call came in?
“Authorities say the father of the missing 6-year-old girl was alone with her at the time she disappeared. But police say that doesn’t mean he’s a suspect.”
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/151620655.html
This is from a story published at 3:09 Pm today. In the 911 calls, SC says,”everyone took their showers and went to bed.” It seems clear when he says “everyone,” he is referring to all the kids. Now, the police are letting out that SC was ALONE with Isabel in the house the night she disappeared?
Does this release of info. in this way seem deliberate by the police? Are they trying to scare SC and let him know they have found inconsistencies? Woudln’t they have already grilled him on these types of details during questioning?
I keep wondering why there has never been any reporting about what RC did that night after the ball game. She said she braided Isabel’s hair, but she doesn’t say WHERE she was when she did it…. SC says, “she was just walking by, etc.” He doesn’t say, she walked by the TV (when I was watching the ball game) on her way to the bathroom or anything like that, for example.
I am left wondering WHERE were these people after that baseball game?
“Police: Isabel Celis’ dad was alone with her when she disappeared”….whaaaaat????
The Associated Press does not give any source except for “authorities”.
http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/320017/28/Police-Missing-AZ-girls-dad-was-alone-with-her
I’m so afraid that I’m going to wake up to some very bad news tomorrow morning.
@SouthernMom
(snipped) “Police were called at 8:14 a.m. IIRC, SC said he went to wake her up at 8 AM and he and his sons searched everywhere for her with his oldest son discovering the pushed out or removed screen and open window before calling 911.”
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I would be interested in hearing from the Celis family if anyone heard the dogs barking at 6:30am other than the neighbor who seems to be credible. There is a reason those kids were placed with their Mother.
So if everyone was supposed to be sleeping when the mother left for work, wonder how the father was to be woken up at the right time to get ready for Isa’s game . . . alarm clock, cell phone, phone call by mother, how . . . and indicating what time exactly.
Okay *sigh* – with many media “mistakes/mistates” to date, I’m not sure to accept this new language at face value.
But here we go…did Becky and boys leave park with Grandma and sleep there Friday night? Ugh! Did SC call his wife, Becky, at work and claim Isa was gone, explain open window and screen etc and tell her Isa must have been abducted. It would be easy to convince anyone that “even though I’m totally innocent, they’ll suspect me!!” suggesting she must lie to protect her family??
Have to say, I am having a hard time believing BC lied about where the boys were that night…YET…So I’m Not gonna assume media got this right until further confirmation…However, hmmm, puzzle pieces are beginning to fall into place here.
Wowee?!?
So, assuming Becky didn’t lie and was at home that night…wondering if brothers went home with Grandma down the street after Friday night’s game?
Let’s assume Isa went home with mom and dad alone for whatever reasons. This would explain why Isa was in her own bed/bedroom that night instead of with her brothers.
So, (speculation) Boys are either summoned in intial “search” by SC – phoning the place the boys were at (“checking” to see if Becky brought Isa there???) OR maybe the boys were dropped off at home by Grandma (or whomever they stayed with that night) so the boys could attend Isa’s game.
According to what I remember reading, At 8 AM – SC went to “wake-up” Isa and “discovered” her missing.
If the first scenario with how the boys arrive that morning is closest to what happened, IMO, SC would have had to discover Isa missing a good bit earlier in order to make that “summons” phone call, thereby prompting the boys/grandma to rush over and also call Becky to see if she had Isa (& tell her to get her butt home)…then, complete search all over with the boys and call 911 by 8:14 a.m. Again MOO. Somethings hinky with this timeline scenario/what-if?.
If second scenario with how the boys got home that morning is closest to what happened, then SC’s timeline may be closer to “truth” in regards to 911 call.
No way to sugar coat this: leaving out the part where the boys didn’t sleep at home that night is BAD!! If true.??
This is a huge journalistic stretch if the article is merely implying that SC was alone with Isa while BC and boys were sleeping or while BC was at work and boys were “not alone but together” sleeping. Such as, Becky went to bed at 11PM but SC stayed up “watching TV” and boys were together in their room asleep, leaving SC to be alone with Isa. Or SC was up when BC left for work that morning and boys were woken up together at 8:00-ish leaving Isa alone with SC for 1-1.5 hours?
Hmmmm…
Prayers for good news tomorrow instead of bad for Isa!!
It is pizzing me off, the chief never said Sergio was alone with Isa. Completely google-rank envy motivated.
B
Another take on the possibilities regarding the calm demeanor of SC in 911 call.
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/151642535.html
I was outraged when I heard this call. I reacted angrily and “knowingly”! I immediately assumed as most who’ve heard it…HE MUST be guilty ~ SURELY! Based on that call alone, my initial reaction had SC tried, convicted and hanged.
But, as this article indicates…should that alone make up my mind?? NO.
This article prompted me to reflect…I, like Blink, was the Poster Child “Daddy’s Girl of the World”, ya hear? When he was suddenly ill, needing a “routine” by-pass that went amazingly well according to his surgeons, it was 100% up to me alone to take care of him. I was the only one with him all day everyday in the days leading up to his final breath. I gave him his last sip of water, his last chip of ice and fed him his last craving of chocolate pudding although he could only swallow a few bites just 30 minutes before his sudden death at the young age of 58. My brother and sister and families came in for the surgery, went home when he was doing so well, kept in touch. 2 weeks after coming home…he didn’t feel well so I brought him back to the hospital and they admitted him. 4 hours before he died I asked his doctor what he thought during his morning rounds. He said he’ll be fine, sometimes people try to do too much too soon. At lunchtime, doctor came back, checked his vitals, looked concerned took me into the hall and asked where rest of family was? What? He shook his head…OMG how long? He said no rush, but they should come in for the weekend. This morning was no concern and now this…I said, this is Thursday! So I made a few quick calls and rushed back to my daddy’s bedside. I didn’t remember to call everyone and was going to leave briefly to call some more when my daddy grabbed my hand and said don’t leave me. I hadn’t told him, but I knew…he knew…it was soooo sudden, he had been doing so good! I thought all my prayers had been answered, but it was not meant to be. It was moments…and so sudden, and I was devastated inside. For my daddy, because he would have wanted and expected me to be, I was the strong one for everyone else. I took care of all the arrangements by myself. No one would argue that I was the one who was closest to him, the only one to have never been estranged from him….and I doubt anyone would argue I loved him the most. But, I was the strong one, even though I hurt the most.
The visible breakdown took time…I cried for a month or two about 2 years later. If you didn’t know me, or our special bond, you may have thought otherwise of my grief and physical/spiritual pain…it felt like devastation.
You see, my dad was married a time or two too many and I had to prove divorces, fight property settlements to defend what little he had and protect an adopted severely handicaped child of his from some evil step monsters. I had to be tough, I had to be strong…for him.
It took me 2 years and enough of my own personal dollars (which could have paid both my son’s college tuitions in full) just to settle everything and be done with it. Hindsite, let them fight over what little is there and donate $10, $20, $30 thousand dollars to the estate out of your pocket and you’ll come out cheaper than trying to handle it fairly for the child that needed it the most.
So, finally….after two years of hell – I cried and I cried. In the beginning I was very much like SC appeared during that 911 call…eerily calm, NUMB! It was surreal making those phones calls to notify family, friends, and while ordering his casket and planning his funeral. Not sure if my body was in a spiritual shock or just survival mode…but it was what it was. Felt like slow motion, but could it have sounded like or appeared like lack of emotion on the outside?
Even so…LOL…I still think this case stinks of serious hinky, but I will not base my opinion on Sergio’s demeanor during the 911 call alone.
Prayers for Isa.
Blink….besides the voices of the two men the camera that was “not working” the night of Isabel’s disappearance bothers me. Who’s camera is it and who is responsible for the contents?
Also, just in thinking of my kids and sleeping habits we know Isa usually slept with the brothers but do we know if the children usually slept with open/closed doors? I know BC didn’t want to wake IC in the morning since SC would wake soon, so do we know if the door was cracked/closed and what about the sons doors at that time? My kids would freak out if closed so just wondering about past habits. Do you have any info regarding this by chance?
Also, SC said he fell asleep on couch…must have awoken at some point to go into bed next to BC to hear an alarm. What exactly did he do when he woke up to get to bed? So many questions it’s hurting my brain to wrap around this case.
I do not think that there has been any confirmation on Isa’s sleeping habits.
B
PHOENIX – Tucson police are saying for the first time that a 6-year-old girl who vanished from her home last month was abducted.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/15/missing-arizona-girl-6-was-abducted-police-say/?test=latestnews#ixzz1v24Ms4RA
I am becoming concerned that Sergio never left the field with Isabel – that she actually disappeared from the field while Sergio was ‘helping to clean up’. I agree that the male voices heard at 6:30 were SC and someone – uncle, perhaps? The problem with these thoughts is the dog “hit” in the bedroom/s. How does that fit in?
@monkeybunny’s link:
http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/320017/28/Police-Missing-AZ-girls-dad-was-alone-with-her
I would think in this age of scrutiny that public statements by the authorities would be completely thought out. This statement that Isabel and SC were alone leads me to believe that even the sons were not home. Surely the authorities know that the boys are old enough to be key witnesses in the home. So were the boys in the home that night?
That article is extremely obtuse, and the title is worse. I hope to see some enhanced accountability in this area, at no time did he say Sergio was alone with Isa.
B
Sorry for repeating myself but some keep asking abt the time of BC’s departure from the home. I believe it has come out that she had to be there at 7a. I am sure that the specialty she works in is usually a 12 hour shift and 99.9% of the nurses I wk with have to be 15 to 30 mins early for their shift to rec report from outgoing shift. Her being gone by 6:30 or even earlier sounds right on target to me! I bet as soon as she pulled out the driveway SC began a cover up! Sorry, I think he is guilty! Gotta skeedaddle to work! Y’all have a wonderful day!
Think about ? He is their main suspect. Everyone in the house went to bed, they were where they belonged. SC by his own admission on the 911 call was the only one that was not. He made it known that he fell asleep on the couch. That’s why he never made it to bed with RC. He admitted that he was just on the other side of the wall. He admitted that Isa indicated that she was just tired. These are all clues. If they have proved that the screen was tampered with from the inside, that means someone had to remove Isa and walk right past SC. I HAVE TO WONDER, did everyone go to bed that night except Isa and Dad ? I think RC and the boys went to bed. Isa and Dad were still awake perhaps watching TV together on the couch. That’s why Isa never made it the brothers bedroom, she probably never made it to her bedroom. Something happened and Dad had only a few hours to clean and stage the kidnapping.. Was he on the move that night, where did he go. Does law enforcment have video from local business showing his travel? Did he go back to the park? Where is her body? He did not have much time. Was his car seen traveling and moving during the night??? That is where law enforcement will look… JMO…
I found myself watching an old Nancy Grace- this am- on infinity- I thought it was Monday- but it might have been Friday- and I discovered SOMETHING REALLY AMAZING- a quick cut from an inteview that came on after a commercial about 2/3 way thru the program- that was really PROFOUND.
I missed it initially- and I think EVERYONE else must have as well. Sergio was asked if he “still” thought Isabel had been abducted “thru her window”- and he- shook his head and said- “no”, he was “no longer” so sure of that- “after the investigation” – WHAT!!!!
Now, that is interesting- makes me think that initial story- was part of the inconsistency” that LE was referring to- so now, he is backing off of his original statement.
This show- with the clip- was right BEFORE the CPS involvement- and it made me think- since he involved his boy as supposedly finding the screen outside on the ground- that LE may had have wanted to seperate them- because- they have been able to rule it out (video?).
My theory is that Sergio was barred from contact because he was trying to influence their recollection of events, ie, having the older boy find the staged window, likely suggesting things about the evening that supoort his aliby. What kind of monster facilitates the “abduction” of his own baby girl?
This is such a rarity twink- I think it has to be more than that.
B
(snip)
“There’s no indication whatsoever that Isabel just got up and left the house on her own,” said Tucson police spokeswoman Sgt. Maria Hawke. “She left through the power, through assistance, of someone else. Either somebody took her or inticed her out of the residence in some way, shape or form and so for that reason we cannot just say that she got up and walked out.”
article and video (with Sgt.Hawke speaking)
http://www.azfamily.com/news/Police-search-Tucson-wash-for-Isabel-Celis-151631445.html
There is another thing that is bugging me. We saw the video surveillance from the business not far from the Celis home, but as it turned out it was from the NIGHT of 4/21, when they really wanted the video from the night of 4/20 and early MORNING of 4/21. What we saw were the 5 people walking by the church nearby. They identified at least several of them before we learned it was the wrong night.
Soooo…have we seen the footage from the night of 4/20? I never did and don’t recall hearing anything about it. Maybe it contained nothing of interest. Or maybe it did and LE isn’t talking about it? Just wondering if I missed this info.
What if Sergio has hit or threatened one or more of the boys, in some way blaming them for what happened to Isabel? Would that possible have resulted in the CPS arrangement?
Possible, but again, detectives called CPS with information, they acted immediately, and got a voluntary agreement for no contact. It is a big deal.
B
Blink – BIG apologies for asking (again).
I didn’t see anything about it in the other threads, and I was just shocked.
Best wishes with your caseload.
None needed my friend
B
Keep in Mind, SC is implicating HIMSELF not clearing HIMSELF ! He is not very clever in his coverup..
These are FACTS:
1. He stated he fell asleep on the couch.
2. He stated that he heard nothing, from just on the other side of a wall.
3. He stated his Son found the screen in the back yard.
4. He stated immediately that she was kidnapped/Abducted.
5. He stated that Isa was not hungry and just tired that night. HE is the only one sending us a message that she was going to bed..
6. He stated that after an investigation, that he no longer believes the window was a point of entry. ( so has it been proved that the window was not used, so how did this person get in or out with Isa? )
7. His cry to the so called kidnappers. ( Look at her, she’s beautiful) Not a cry, to not harm her, to please feed her and keep her safe. No instructions on returning her..
8. Pillows and a blanket of some sort in an unoperative car parked on the side of the house ? Why ?
9. SC is the only family member with forbidden access to the other children.
10. Maybe of no importance, but SC was the first one returned to the scene of the crime before the family split..
11. Some kind of evidence wrapped in a towel.
12. LE announces some kind of sensitive info. What is usually categorized as Sensitive? Minors, victims of sex crimes.
13. He states that he cannot discuss the results of their polygraph. ( trust me if he was told he passed, he would say so. )
14. I think it was the second or third interview at the hotel when they are sitting on the couch. Watch he takes RC hand and forces it into his. As in they are holding hands. He wanted to force a united front.
Again this is all just an opinion.
@ Rose says:
May 15, 2012 at 10:20 pm
@Kris. I come from a lower middle class
TX culture that would say “get your butt home”
to a family member but would understand not
to repeat it in public, ie to 911. I think
he repeated his comfy trash talk under stress
& giggled from embarassment once said.
I don’t think the phrase all that odd with less
educated in the SE US.
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Another take on that “get your butt home” comment could be a snarky dig from SC to BC.. Maybe just maybe BC isn’t pure of heart either & is always out or away somewhere (?) & SC is the housemaid there so he was throwing a dig towards her.. That could be a comment he has said to her many times on other occasions & for other reasons.. JAO
I still feel the older son holds the key to this.. When you watch that media clip of LE bringing SC,BC & SC jr back to the house for the reenactment the son walks like he has the weight of the world on his shoulders.. He walks with head down & sullen like a child pulled from class & told to go to the principal’s office..
The FindIsabelCelis FB is again silenced since yesterday morning @1045.
Idk if this just means Heath won a power struggle and just has another life to live and things to do. (Vs Steve was a genius programmer and internet whiz), or if it means new info is brewing that took Heath and/or whoever mods are aback again, but this is erratic behavior from Command Ctr captns imo
I know that LE thinks that, but not why.
B
So if LE is now calling this an abduction I wonder if there was no death scent picked up by the dogs. Isabel would have to have been alive if it was an abduction wouldn’t she?
Yes but we do not know where the canine cadaver dog hit on the property.
I am of the presumption there is either a witness or video showing someone leaving that home that they suspect Isabel was with in some form. I am as flummoxed as y’all on this one.
B
k, keep me posted please and mark private first line if necessary
B
I am confused. Initial reports said that BC left for work at 7:30am. In the 911 call or somewhere BC stated that she left at 7 am. Where are people getting info that she left before 6:30? Also, Does anyone think that the 14 minutes it took for Sergio to go into her room until the time he called 911 is really short? Going in her room, discovering her missing, getting the boys involved and searching to me would take longer than 14 minutes.
I Katie says:
May 15, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Graceinthehills,
I know someone that takes lamictal for a seizure disorder and,as I understand it, this medication is also used for manic-depressive disorder. They are trying to lower his dose because it sure does make him “flat”. From his face to his voice. Just a change of 50mg has made a huge difference so, I believe that a medication could for sure change someone’s affect.
Not to say that this is the case here but, a possibility.
Katie- I edited your post because I can tell you Grace would have been concerned with the identifying information you provided (being intentionally vague)
B
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Thanks Blink for removing any identifiers, etc. You know me so well!
Katie, I am sorry your friend had some issues with Lamictal. I don’t know this person, but what you describe him/her experiencing sounds more like excessive sedation rather than true affective flattening. Lamictal, especially when given with other anti-seizure meds, can be very sedating. When a patient is at an appropriate dose, his/her affect should look just like someone who is not on the med- in other words, the patient’s affect should appear normal.
Lamictal is not used to treat Bipolar I disorder (mania with depression, formerly referred to as manic depression).
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May 16, 2012 at 12:24 pm
I Katie says:
May 15, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Graceinthehills,
I know someone that takes lamictal for a seizure disorder and,as I understand it, this medication is also used for manic-depressive disorder. They are trying to lower his dose because it sure does make him “flat”. From his face to his voice. Just a change of 50mg has made a huge difference so, I believe that a medication could for sure change someone’s affect.
Not to say that this is the case here but, a possibility.
Katie- I edited your post because I can tell you Grace would have been concerned with the identifying information you provided (being intentionally vague)
B
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Thanks Blink for removing any identifiers, etc. You know me so well!
Katie, I am sorry your friend had some issues with Lamictal. I don’t know this person, but, imo, what you describe him/her experiencing sounds more like excessive sedation rather than true affective flattening. Lamictal, especially when given with other anti-seizure meds, can be very sedating. Lamictal, given at an appropriate does should normalize a patient’s affect – in other word, the patien’ts affect should look just like someone who is NOT on the med.
Lamictal is not used to treat Bipolar I disorder (mania with depression, formerly referred to as manic depression).
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Hi Katie, the above posted before I was finished. I meant to say the patient’s affect should look just like someone’s who is NOT on the med. Lamictal is sometimes used to treat Bipolar II disorder depressive symptoms (a disorder in which severe depression and hypomanic episodes occur). But again, any flattening would be due to the underlying disease process.
That said, it appears we are dealing with semantics. Prescribers use the words “flat affect” in a different manner than laypersons do. Flattening is usually a feature of the primary illness, not a medication side effect. So, what you saw in your friend was likely a side effect as it disappeared when the medication was decreased. I hope this makes sense.
But back to SC. Imho, he does not appear impaired when he speaks. He may OR may not be medicated, we just don’t know. Due to HIPAA privacy laws we probably will never know unless he offers up the info to the public.
Prayers for Isa.
@Pak31 says:
May 16, 2012 at 12:11 pm
“I am confused. Initial reports said that BC left for work at 7:30am. In the 911 call or somewhere BC stated that she left at 7 am. Where are people getting info that she left before 6:30? Also, Does anyone think that the 14 minutes it took for Sergio to go into her room until the time he called 911 is really short? Going in her room, discovering her missing, getting the boys involved and searching to me would take longer than 14 minutes.”
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Correct me if I’m wrong, I believe her shift started at 7am. What continues to puzzle me is the barking dogs. Seems like the neighbor is the only one who heard the dogs barking frantically. Was the Celis’ airconditioning running blocking out noises? Gets awfully hot in Tucson.
Pak31 says:
May 16, 2012 at 12:11 pm
I am confused. Initial reports said that BC left for work at 7:30am. In the 911 call or somewhere BC stated that she left at 7 am. Where are people getting info that she left before 6:30? Also, Does anyone think that the 14 minutes it took for Sergio to go into her room until the time he called 911 is really short? Going in her room, discovering her missing, getting the boys involved and searching to me would take longer than 14 minutes.
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I would not wait longer than 14 minutes to call 911 for a missing child of that age. I might even get all the way to “abducted” if there was a tampered screen/window/door.