Isabel Celis Breaking News: Child Services Removes Sons From Sergio Celis Care and Placed With Mother
In the latest development in the April 21st disappearance of missing Tucson child Isabel Celis, her father Sergio has been stripped of his physical custodial rights of her brothers.
There has been no confirmation from Tucson Police about the children’s removal and placement, and CPS has only confirmed the boys have been placed with one parent.
Sources inside the investigation have confirmed to www.blinkoncrime.com that evidence gleaned in the investigation has warranted alternative placement of the couples oldest children in the wake of the disappearance of their daughter, Isabel.
The boys, whose names have been reported previously elsewhere but are being intentionally withheld by www.blinkoncrime.com have been placed together, not separately.
Check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for details.
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Should everyone else leave so that you and MarineMamaSays can have some privacy ???
FloridaGirl, I see that you are a new poster so I assume you were unaware that anyone can post to me privately if necessary. It is infrequent as I do not want to alienate anyone, but I frequently cover cases that have sources and confidential information that requires the need for same, and that is part of my job.
That said, fair warning, I do not tolerate rude and we treat each other with respect here.
Thank you.
B
“Sergio, Isa’s father, is staying up the street at his mother’s home. Neighbors say you can see him coming and going late at night or early in the morning, otherwise, they don’t see him much. The talk in the neighborhood though revolves around the 911 calls.”
http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/#fcanchor
Once again, irresponsible journalims–no fact checking going on here either! I’m pretty sure we’ve already heard that it is Rebecca’s mother who lives down the street; Sergio’s parents are said to have come from out of town.
Frankly, if SC IS staying with his mother-in-law (and not his MOTHER, as the KVOA story states), that’s a little odd……
Actually, there is a Celis right down the same street. I did hear him say that his family had come into town for a bit, but I do not recall if he said specifically who that was.
B
One thing is for sure: the public will not be able to make any reasonable assessements about what is going on with this case with the type of reporting the local news is offering up with so many mistakes…….
One more thing on where this family is currently staying:
What could POSSIBLY be the motivation for not staying at their own home?! Especially,now that SC cannot live with the children, you’d think at least one of the parents would have returned to the family home to live……
This family’s day-to-day conduct is not typical of most families: in or out of a situation like the one they are in.
“I have no idea,” he said. “We woke up this morning and went to go get her up, start her baseball game and she’s gone. I woke up my, my sons, I, we looked everywhere in the house and my oldest son noticed that her window was wide open and the screen was laying in the backyard. We’ve looked all around the house.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57434795-504083/isabel-celis-update-911-calls-released-in-case-of-missing-ariz-girl/
Why wasn’t Sergio the first one to notice that when he went in to wake her? Especially if that bed was right in front of the window?
Hmmmm?
There is a reason that LE searched the landfills very early on this case. What was that reason? The cadaver hit alone or some other inconsistencies. I fear the worst here. Prayers for Isa and those who love her.
I have seen conflicting reports in regard to the screen on the window. Some say it was “pushed aside”, others say it was on the ground. Does anyone know which is accurate. Sergio specifically states it was on the ground. Didn’t the original photos of said window show the screen ajar, or am I thinking of the wrong window?
Example:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57435320-504083/isabel-mercedes-celis-missing-ariz-girl-was-abducted-police-confirm/?tag=re1.channel
Authorities have been searching for the girl since her father reported her missing April 21. Family members have said they last saw her in her bedroom the night before. A window was later found open with the screen pushed aside.
on the ground.
B
desertbunnee says:
May 16, 2012 at 10:37 am
There is another thing that is bugging me. We saw the video surveillance from the business not far from the Celis home, but as it turned out it was from the NIGHT of 4/21, when they really wanted the video from the night of 4/20 and early MORNING of 4/21. What we saw were the 5 people walking by the church nearby. They identified at least several of them before we learned it was the wrong night.
Soooo…have we seen the footage from the night of 4/20? I never did and don’t recall hearing anything about it. Maybe it contained nothing of interest. Or maybe it did and LE isn’t talking about it? Just wondering if I missed this info.
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You beat me to it. I was just about to post the very same thing. How come this video has not been shown? Whats on it.
I have been a supporter and a defender of the Celis family. Then I got up on the fence. Right now I like LE am waiting for DNA results.
What I am hearing, reading and seeing is not good.
By the way could Sergio have been coming down after being on something when he made that 911 call? Drugs or booze comes to mind.
Before I go I heard Sergio is back singing with the Opera. Imagine that. MOO
It continues to trouble me how close the search area was yesterday to the Freedom Park.
The investigation nearly one month old, and the family cannot be excluded, and the search area is within that dreaded 3 mile radius of the family home.
Statistically, there is no doubt in my mind, whether they are right or not, right now, a member of this family or extended family is a suspect in Isa’s disappearance.
The area searched yesterday also contains a cell tower so I am guessing they are operating from someone’s pings and a timeline.
B
There could have been an accident or intentional abuse, SG injures Isa beyond repair, and he then tries to cover it up by the abduction hoax?
Desperate people do desperate things.
I know I watch two many crime dramas. But, even Josh Powell rented a storage unit that apparently no one knew about. Are there any storage unit facilities in the area? MOO
Is there any public information regarding the state of Isa’s bedroom? Was her bedding left behind? So many questions.
Yes, the 3 mile radius… ugh, B.
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Right.
This is an insider to the family, or family member, someone with access to Isa and this home.
This is not going to end well.
Sadly, when this case is solved it is going to look like an excerpt from an FBI course I took designed and authored in part by Ken Lanning. Textbook.
B
@Blink
(snipped)”Statistically, there is no doubt in my mind, whether they are right or not, right now, a member of this family or extended family is a suspect in Isa’s disappearance.
The area searched yesterday also contains a cell tower so I am guessing they are operating from someone’s pings and a timeline.
B”
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If SC is strongly suspected of participating in Isa’s disappearance, do you think he is considered a “flight risk”?
If he is a suspect he is under surveillance, so no.
B
Is there any evidence or speculation that Sergio is involved with dangerous people who may have taken Isa to repay a debt? Drugs or something? And maybe Sergio knows who took her, believes she’s still alive, and they’re waiting for him to pay up? That would explain the abduction story, the lack of extreme emotion on his part, why mom didn’t know anything, and the placement of boys with only mom. Just a thought …
Speculation yes, the financials do not add up, but that is about it.
Whatever it is, I am fairly certain that at the morning of April 21st, Becky Celis believed her baby was abducted out of her window.
B
BC in the 911 call said, “she was AT work AT 7, not left home at 7.
Nancy Grace and JVM all got this wrong.
I think BC’s boss even said she was early that day, so she defnitely must have left home before 630.
It continues to trouble me how close the search area was yesterday to the Freedom Park.
The investigation nearly one month old, and the family cannot be excluded, and the search area is within that dreaded 3 mile radius of the family home.
Statistically, there is no doubt in my mind, whether they are right or not, right now, a member of this family or extended family is a suspect in Isa’s disappearance.
The area searched yesterday also contains a cell tower so I am guessing they are operating from someone’s pings and a timeline.
B
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Continuing to stick out in my opinion is the statement by TPD “We do not believe she was taken out of state.” This alone says to me the person involved would not have had time to get out of state and back into their typical routine by the time she was reported missing. I have tried to give the parents the benefit of the doubt. With recent events all fingers point to the one who reported her missing. As a nation we have seen many missing children’s cases and all with different motives, one that sticks in my head is Shanya. Did the dad pass Isa off to someone? Did she awake in the night to see something she should not have seen? Several questions and I must agree there have been many inaccuracies in the media to make a fair assessment of the entire scenario. Another isssue I am having is with the surveillance video. How did they get this wrong if TPD was at the business the same day she was reported missing? Any thoughts on this issue?
I had been hoping near the beginning of this situation that there was a “drug/ransom” angle. But, then I had to admit to myself that if SC was really in trouble with some drug king pins and they took his child as ransom until he paid up that he probably woudln’t have called the police. He would have known that a missing child case would get too much police and media attention,imo. In a “kidnap fro ransom’ over something YOU (SC, ie) know you are involved in would lead you to “cover” in another way: he could try to convince his wife he sent Isabel with relative for a while or even confided in her that he was in trouble with drug dealers and they needed money to get their daughter back…….Anyway, I believe SC or anyone would concoct a different story if their was a drug angle and they were involved. Just my analyis at this point.
At this point, the return to the area near the last ball game park is a very dark sign to me:-( BTW, the news reported that the desert area police searched yesterday is less than a 1/2 mle from Freedom Park (where Isabel was last seeen by people OTHER THAN HER PARENTS).
YIKES! Please excuse all my typos and usage errors (their/there—please! I have an English Lit. Degree! UGH!) in my last post!
I think this case has just got me so emotional that I am not paying attention in my writing!
It breaks my heart to think there might have been a mix up and that Isabel could have been left behind at the park. This could still be a stranger abduction. There could have been a pervert lurking about the park, watching Isabel and the other kids, and waiting for one of them to wander from the group. Most of the parents left around 10:00. (I wonder if that’s when Becky and the boys went home also, leaving only a few of the dads to stay late and clean up.) There would have been a window of opportunity for a stranger to get Isa – in between the time parents are packing up and leaving and SC is cleaning up. It also fits with SC’s recollection of the last time he saw her (his asking if she was hungry and her saying in a sleepy voice that she’s just tired.) This sounds like something a child who’s been at the park all evening and is eager to go home might say. People reported that she was playing with other children, which could have been why Becky let her stay (thinking that she’d ride back with Dad.) The other kids start leaving and eventually Isa is alone, with some monster who’s been eying the kids all evening still lurking close by. Meanwhile Dad is cleaning up and not paying attention. He doesn’t see Isa and assumes she must have gone with Mom after all.
This scenario scares me to death!
This is Cecelita’s explanation for the eyes.
Re: Tucson police search for missing 6-year-old girl – Isabel Mercedes Celis
« Reply #673 on: May 15, 2012, 04:54:15 PM »
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in spanish, Latins don’t use “hazel”… we say “ojos claros” clear eyes.
Hope this helps you my dear Blink!
Some have speculated that Becky wasn’t even home that night. Becky must have been home that night, because in the 911 call she says she braided Isa’s hair just before she went to bed.
Kinda weird that Sergio, after late little league coaching and cleaning up after the game, wasn’t tired and stayed up to watch a ball game. Hmmmm, maybe the couch was his bed, maybe Sergio had possibly been sleeping on the couch for some time. I’m wondering if there had been talk of splitting up and perhaps the boys have been removed because there is some sort of known dialogue where Sergio said he wouldn’t give up custody and would take off with the kids to Mexico or something should Becky sue for divorce. Maybe Becky now feels that Sergio could have hidden Isa somewhere. Would explain the “voluntary” CPS orders, that based on something said in the past, LE told CPS he might attempt to take the older children as well?
Doesn’t explain why LE is looking for what appears to be a deceased Isa, but that search could be do to some other eye witness tip they have to check on.
From my earlier research posted, it appears that possibly Sergio’s brother lives down the street and his parents reside at the same address. (Unless People Finders is incorrect, which is possible.) It’s my understanding that Becky’s mother lives in Douglas.
The word “abducted” to me conotes that Isa left the house alive. I may just be looking for hope in symantics . . .
T. Ruth says:
May 16, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Some have speculated that Becky wasn’t even home that night. Becky must have been home that night, because in the 911 call she says she braided Isa’s hair just before she went to bed.
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But that is what she is telling you & 911, but can that be verified ?
@Flo says:
May 16, 2012 at 4:19 pm
BC in the 911 call said, “she was AT work AT 7, not left home at 7.
Nancy Grace and JVM all got this wrong.
I think BC’s boss even said she was early that day, so she defnitely must have left home before 630.
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So, if the neighbor who said the dogs were frantically barking at 6:30 am, BC could have been out of the timeframe to hear the dog commotion.
@ T. Ruth
I was thinking the same thing, only the other way around. If BC arranged for Isa to be taken and hidden somewhere, cops may have convinced SC to voluntarily let her have the boys to see what she’ll do next. LE might be watching to see if she’ll flee to Mexico now that she has them, perhaps to meet up with a boyfriend or a family member (whomever has Isabel.) Maybe in her mind it was the only way she could leave SC WITH her children. ONLY SPECULATION
Clarification – Maybe in her mind it was the only way she could leave SC and be able to take her children with her.
For a person who has no knowledge of where their child’s location may be I for one find it extremely difficult to believe BC had any involvement due to her hysterical nature. For SC sadly the hysterical never was a part of him. Could the two male voices have been SC and JM?
Kris says:
May 16, 2012 at 6:38 pm
@ T. Ruth
I was thinking the same thing, only the other way around. If BC arranged for Isa to be taken and hidden somewhere, cops may have convinced SC to voluntarily let her have the boys to see what she’ll do next.
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I do not think LE would put the boys in any more harms way then necessary. I want to hope that government officials may have learned something from the death of 2 young boys named Powell.
Some of Lanning:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/fbi_02.htm
He’s in private practice.
If your 6 year old child was missing I just do not think you would call 911 and say you want to make a report of a missing person which is what Sergio said to the 911 dispatch which transfered his call to the police dept and he ammended his first response to report a missing child…This situation was far past a report state…It is the lack of urgency that is disturbing to me.
relevant to this case or not, for $5 a good buy by Lanning imo
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/ResourceServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=469
Rose, very important, the first copy is free to everyone, it is only additional copies that incur the $5 fee.
B
I think BC’s boss even said she was early that day, so she defnitely must have left home before 630.
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He said she was there early in the morning. Not that she was early for work.
As a nurse if your shift starts at 8 you must be there at 7:45 for shift report.
http://m.facebook.com/FindIsabel?v=feed
What Kris said…
If that true, BC is a good actress also. Does sound like a good story. parents have done that in the pass to protect them from sexually abusing husband, but what about those scents that the dogs picked up. Guess she could have seen SC sleeping soundly on the couch and very quietly went in the Isa’s room and went out through the garage. No way on video tape. Had a relative waiting for them.
Blink, Today I was able to ask a person who posted as Anon, they to be a part of the Freedom Park Little League, they to post that Joe Vega does not represent them, his interview on NG last night. I asked the Anon if they knew, if they could clarify Sergio and Vega’s teams and positions. Sharing their response.
Anonymous said…
Joe is the manager of the major division Yankees. Sergio is one of joe’s assistant coaches and Julian Celis is on that team. Isabel’s team is the coach pitch Dbacks and that team has a different coach most parents help out at that level. But any parent has to pass a back ground check to be allowed to help or coach with the kids.
Wed May 16, 06:49:00 PM EDT
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2012/05/emotions-in-911-calls.html
I was very confused since every presser offers different info on both Sergio and Vega, if this is correct, why would this person post this if it wasn’t, Sergio is Not Julian’s coach as it has been said, by him. He is assistant, he is not a Coach. Sergio takes direction from Vega not the other way around. Vega is also on the Board of Dir of the little league, he is Safety officer, he is in charge of back ground checks, etc, you can read at the link, its all in that forum, Thank you for continuing to post on Isa. V
Listening again to the 911 call of the son, the Tucson Police operator eventually asks him “So the screen was off the window?” and he replies “Yeah.” “It looks like it was taken off.”
There is no audio available prior to that where the screen was mentioned by the son and it does sound that prior portion of the call was redacted for some reason.
Prior, the son says “Hey I need you guys to come down. My sister’s gone. Someone broke in and grabbed her – -” – - then there is an audible cut-off in the audio tape before he says “Hurry man.”
jmo, the cut-off was where he mentioned the screen.
Audio of the calls, son is first:
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/151452855.html
@pueblodweller says:
May 16, 2012 at 1:31 pm
“Sergio, Isa’s father, is staying up the street at his mother’s home. Neighbors say you can see him coming and going late at night or early in the morning, otherwise, they don’t see him much. The talk in the neighborhood though revolves around the 911 calls.”
http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/#fcanchor
Once again, irresponsible journalims–no fact checking going on here either! I’m pretty sure we’ve already heard that it is Rebecca’s mother who lives down the street; Sergio’s parents are said to have come from out of town.
Frankly, if SC IS staying with his mother-in-law (and not his MOTHER, as the KVOA story states), that’s a little odd……
Actually, there is a Celis right down the same street. I did hear him say that his family had come into town for a bit, but I do not recall if he said specifically who that was.
B
One thing is for sure: the public will not be able to make any reasonable assessements about what is going on with this case with the type of reporting the local news is offering up with so many mistakes…….
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Do you know if LE check out SC Mother’s home after the alleged abduction?
@pueblodweller- When a child dies, or, in this case, goes missing, families may do things that seem odd to other people. My son collapsed and died on our kitchen floor when he was home with his older brothers. He died 10 years ago. I live in the house. I lived at a friend’s place (which I rented) for 2 years, when I demo’d and rebuilt the house from the foundation up. It has been 3 years since I moved back, and I have finally come to the conclusion that I absolutely cannot live here. I am selling the house. As they say, different strokes for different folks. I can tell you this, you really cannot know how you would respond to a situation, unless you’ve experienced it. I can, absolutely, understand why a family would choose to stay elsewhere, after their daughter was abducted from their home, while they slept. It’s an unsafe house. A horrible thing happened there. Their little girl is gone. It doesn’t look like she’ll be coming home. I am sure that her family, and many others, pray that she will…but that home, for now, is anathema. Even if she returns, I would be surprise if they returned to that home. You know what they say about walking in someone’s shoes…
I reserve rendering an opinion on parental involvement until more facts are known. It does seem that something is up with dad, but I’m not sure that *that something* is causing harm or the disappearance of his child. I do suspect that someone may have been targeting him, or that it may have been someone known to/familiar with the fam.
katy, thanks for that info regarding BC’s start for work. Originally the news reports said she left at 7:30, then I heard 7. So at least we know that she left some time before Sergio went to wake up Isabel. It also widens the window as far as time goes. I also do agree that Becky was more emotional than Sergio. Except when it came to describing what her daughter was wearing or how her hair was done, she was able to calm down quickly to describe that. I just don’t know what to think anymore.
Statistically…this is most likely a family/friend/known person abduction. The numbers for totally random acts are so low in comparison to the former, I’m amazed and impressed TPD is dedicating personnel to explore both angles.
Prayers for Isa, she truly needs them.
@lyla
Yes.
This just struck me…SC singing Ave Maria…I’ve been to many Catholic funerals and most of them included Ave Maria for music. I hope this child is found and returned to the safe hands of those who love her.
comment from twinkletoes May 16, 2012 at 3:09 pm,
Blink says:
Right. This is an insider to the family, or family member, someone with access to Isa and this home. This is not going to end well. Sadly, when this case is solved it is going to look like an excerpt from an FBI course I took designed and authored in part by Ken Lanning. Textbook.
Ms. Blink–I curiously googled your Special Agent Lanning. I’m sure that brief search only covers the tip of his prolific iceberg of work in his esteemed lengthy career. As I scanned a few hits, my knees grew weaker….and my eyes got bigger at some of the intrafamilial sexual abuse, Satanic/ritual sexual abuse, and child-sex ring paragraphs. Little Isa, probably dear precious Kyron who brought me to this amazing BOC, so many others–too many monsters within and around. What a world, what a world. How do we even stand a chance? (I say that about the microscopic deer ticks that get me at least once each spring/summer, too, dang little blood suckers.
) Dedicated officers like Mr. Lanning and countless others in LE, and tireless, relentless pursuers of justice like you, Ms. B–y’all are the soldiers against that evil. Thank you. Going to take the edge off my sadness with some dark chocolate now, I’ll have a bite for vous, Ms. Blink. Hoping there is rest and resolution for LE & the family in this child’s case very soon.
Hugs from NC
(PS, this is one of the hits I scanned from Agent Lanning that I read the most of:
http://www.rickross.com/reference/satanism/satanism1.html)
SA Lanning is a study all in himself. The things he has investigated in his career, and the development of Federal laws against child porn and it’s possession are largely due to his efforts.
There are such holes in escalation and addition to his work that nobody is working on I fear we are up to date in our education to best protect our children and it scares me.
B
Ode has given us a time for sunrise at 5:47 A.M.. If that is the correct time, first light would have occured about thirty minutes earlier. One would be able to see without the need of artificial light. This gives more than enough time for something to happen.
The underbrush in Arizona is light except in the forrested area around Flagstaff. The thirty miles from Williams to the Grand Canyon is partly forrest and it has little underbrush. Those complaining about underbrush during the search would be amazed at the underbrush in the “big thicket” area of East Texas.
Some have indicated the possibility of Isa not leaving the ballpark with her father. Did the father sent her home with the uncle while he stayed to finish the cleanup? The uncle may be the one they need to look at in depth.
For a child of Isabel’s age, I take abducted to mean removed from the house not under her own power. Presumably alive, unless LE has evidence pointing in the other direction. But I don’t take it to mean stranger abduction, as a rule.
SouthernMom says:
May 16, 2012 at 10:48 pm
Statistically…this is most likely a family/friend/known person abduction. The numbers for totally random acts are so low in comparison to the former, I’m amazed and impressed TPD is dedicating personnel to explore both angles.
Prayers for Isa, she truly needs them.
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Me too! Kudos to TPD for not being tunnel visioned! Find Isabel! Keep all avenues open, someone will hopefully come forward with the information to do just that. Where are you little one?
@Kris says:
May 16, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Agreed, if this is about custody, it could swing both ways. I just would lean to Sergio because of his demeanor. Wouldn’t it be wonderful it that’s all this about and Isa is found alive and well somewhere. I can dream.
Pak-
Possibly- when speaking of her daughters hair she was in a zone of a moment? The kind when we lose someone we love we remember a beautiful, or peaceful moment???
Again people are going to call me a bad mother, but I can again share another story.
I was in the kitchen cooking my son said something to my other child and went out the front door. About 2 min later he didnt come back. We started searching. Went to one of his friends 3x with the same answer he’s not here. I searched for 30 minutes. The entire time I was completely calm until I called 911 the moment realization my child is gone. When placing the call I was so distraught from crying they couldnt understand a word I was saying I was an emotional basket case to say the least. I did calm for a couple ?’s towards the later of the call. All said and done his friend was hiding him in his house. Please keep in mind he was 5 at the time.
I will add immediately our PD had 16 officers searching the area. The officer who found him actually just went inside this house under a hunch without permission. Right or wrong we have our son.
Omg that is horrifying. Yes, thank God you have your son and I appreciate you underscoring that.
B
pueblodweller says:
May 16, 2012 at 1:34 pm
One more thing on where this family is currently staying:
What could POSSIBLY be the motivation for not staying at their own home?! Especially,now that SC cannot live with the children, you’d think at least one of the parents would have returned to the family home to live……
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Pueblodweller and all,
My guess is privacy. They would need some space from prying eyes and all the people who want to help is my guess. For the boys, especially. JMO
I have read that the dog’s picked up on a scent in the house. Exactly, how do these dogs work – is it a spot where someone has been or clothing or something else?