Isabel Celis Breaking News: Child Services Removes Sons From Sergio Celis Care and Placed With Mother
In the latest development in the April 21st disappearance of missing Tucson child Isabel Celis, her father Sergio has been stripped of his physical custodial rights of her brothers.
There has been no confirmation from Tucson Police about the children’s removal and placement, and CPS has only confirmed the boys have been placed with one parent.
Sources inside the investigation have confirmed to www.blinkoncrime.com that evidence gleaned in the investigation has warranted alternative placement of the couples oldest children in the wake of the disappearance of their daughter, Isabel.
The boys, whose names have been reported previously elsewhere but are being intentionally withheld by www.blinkoncrime.com have been placed together, not separately.
Check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for details.
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Oh no. This case is getting uglier by the day.
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/cps-visited-isabel-s-home-in-december-city-police-confirm/article_8a0e22a3-f9a3-5df6-a4f1-163f280fad8f.html
headline: CPS visited Isabel’s home in December, city police confirm
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“Child Protective Services workers went to Isabel Celis’ home in December, months before the 6-year-old was reported missing.
CPS representatives would not discuss the case. Tucson police Lt. Fabian Pacheco confirmed the department was aware of the CPS visit to the Celis home but said he did not know the circumstances.
Officials with CPS and the Tucson Police Department recently said the child-welfare agency had been involved in the case since Isabel was reported missing on April 21. But Wednesday morning, Pacheco said investigators were aware CPS had made contact with the family much earlier.
“The earlier case, we are aware of that,” Pacheco said. “I don’t know if they were open or closed, but there were previous CPS contacts.”
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“Wednesday afternoon, Tucson Police Chief Roberto Villaseñor recast Pacheco’s comments, saying they should not be interpreted as confirmation that CPS had prior involvement with the Celis family in December.
*”Wednesday evening, Becky Celis had not responded to a message left through Facebook.
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/cps-visited-isabel-s-home-in-december-city-police-confirm/article_8a0e22a3-f9a3-5df6-a4f1-163f280fad8f.html
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Child Protective Services workers went to Isabel Celis’ home in December, months before the 6-year-old was reported missing.
CPS representatives would not discuss the case. Tucson police Lt. Fabian Pacheco confirmed the department was aware of the CPS visit to the Celis home but said he did not know the circumstances.
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/cps-visited-isabel-s-home-in-december-city-police-confirm/article_8a0e22a3-f9a3-5df6-a4f1-163f280fad8f.html#ixzz1v85iChEH
Hi Blink and all.
I only have a minute, but wanted to share my perspective on the singing of Ave Maria -
Lyla, Hello. Given your experiences in hearing the song, I can understand your feelings about it, and why it gave you pause, as you are correct, when you noted Ave Maria is often played at funerals.
But I do not think it necessarily means the choice of this song points towards thoughts on death etc. Ave Maria may have been chosen for many less macabre reasons.
Ave Maria is often chosen to be sung by opera singers, according to reports Sergio is an opera singer.
Also May is known and celebrated as the month of The Virgin Mary, Mother of God- She is known as The May Queen (think Led Zeppelin and Stairway to Heaven) often during May in Catholic churches there are may Crownings Processions and celebrations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_crowning
Ave Maria, is essentially a prayer to the Virgin Mary asking for Her intercession, as many believe The Mother of Jesus will hear their prayers and speak to Jesus about their petitions ( Who would Jesus listen to if not his Blessed Mother?)
I do not know what happened to little Isabel. I pray she is safe, and I pray she will come home soon.
I do not know if she has been abducted by a stranger or someone closer to home.
Lyla, I can not say if your suspicions are correct or not- they very well could be- though I hope not…. but I shared this info in the hopes that it may qualm some of your fears and give you and others a differing perspective
Thanks-
Prayers for Isabel, for her family, for her friends and the community
Peace AJMO
I don’t known if this has actually been released or reported yet, but my sources are telling me that CPS has been involved with the Celis family for a few months. This is the first time CPS has actually taken any action in their case (separation of parents and placing brothers with mother).
That is correct. They had an investigation in December.
B
This statement from neighbor David Pike bothers me (he and his son were the ones who opened the Celis’ front gate-door to go into the property):
snip from article dated yesterday, May 16:
“This past weekend he didn’t see Sergio. “We seen mom and the boys in the car going towards the house, I mean walking down the street no we haven’t seen them at all since a week ago.”
From where the Pikes live, in order for the car with the boys to go TOWARDS the house, it would have had to pass SC’s parent’s home, where SC has been staying.
That is bothersome, imo, considering the no-contact agreement, and I do not understand what RC was thinking. Also noted that the Mother’s Day interview was done at the end of the driveway, out from the fence/wall, giving visibility to the grandparent’s house, where SC is staying.
http://www.kvoa.com/news/neighbors-shocked-over-cps-involvement-in-celis-case/
Right, but that was prior to the No contact order, it was May 4th.
B
Don’t know if this has already been posted here. Public records for Sergio Celis. There are additional public search links available also.
http://tucsoncitizen.com/pats-bits-and-bytes/
Blink,
Article is dated May 16 . . . Pike is referring to “this past weekend” which would be May 12/13. He saw them in the car driving, but not walking like he did May 4th.
Ok, thanks wpg, I did not understand the distinction you were making, but you are clearly correct.
B
Yes, Mom 3.0 you are absolutely correct. Ave Maria is usually sang at weddings and funerals. Most catholic parishes have a May procession and sign many hymns celebrating Mary. May is the month for Mary as October is for the holy rosary. The children of the parish usually walk or process around the school and church. They enter the church and sing the hymns and “crown” as you said the statue of Mary.
I am so hoping dad signing this beautiful hymn doesn’t mean what we suspect, but to him it may be perfectly appropriate.
Does anyone know if the Dec. 2011 investigation was closed as unfounded or kept open and ongoing ?
Pima Co. sheriff’s looking for man who approached girl
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/pima-co-sheriff-s-looking-for-man-who-approached-girl/article_ba13f776-9fb9-11e1-b484-001a4bcf887a.html
@Mom3.0 says:
May 17, 2012 at 10:11 am
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Thanks, I agree with your perspective!!
T. Ruth says:
May 17, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Pima Co. sheriff’s looking for man who approached girl
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/pima-co-sheriff-s-looking-for-man-who-approached-girl/article_ba13f776-9fb9-11e1-b484-001a4bcf887a.html
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Wow! Uncle J?
@nanshin says:
May 17, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Does anyone know if the Dec. 2011 investigation was closed as unfounded or kept open and ongoing ?
Numerous Media I’ve read online has reported CPS will not comment on this case. TPD had acknowledged they were aware of the December visit but did not know if it was open and closed, then later redacted/ clarified they would not comment on this information whether they knew it or not.
Prayers for Isa.
4. Mom3.0 says:
May 17, 2012 at 10:11 am
Hi Blink and all.
I only have a minute, but wanted to share my perspective on the singing of Ave Maria -
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So good to see you posting, Mom3.0! It just breaks my heart that yet another child is missing. Yes, the Ave Maria is sung at lots of Catholic weddings and funerals. I agree that when it is sung it is offered up as a prayer by the one singing it, and many of those listening in the audience.
Again, so good to hear from you!
~Grace
@Kris says:
May 17, 2012 at 2:01 pm
T. Ruth says:
May 17, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Pima Co. sheriff’s looking for man who approached girl
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/pima-co-sheriff-s-looking-for-man-who-approached-girl/article_ba13f776-9fb9-11e1-b484-001a4bcf887a.html
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Wow! Uncle J?
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I thought the same thing (goosebumps)!!
I always get nervous when you get quiet, Blink.
I know Twink, I know.
B
Is it odd that CPS and LE are not sharing information? I would think if CPS had come forward when Isabel was reported missing, this investigation would have advanced a lot faster and possibly have a different outcome. Also, why wouldn’t the parents have let LE know this right away if they were being on the up and up?
Jane, respectfully, those are your assumptions, and in fairness, many others as well.
Le knew immediately there had been a CPS investigation previously, it is investigative 101 and within their fingertips. They have not shared it with the public until now, which is appropriate within the progression of this investigation currently.
I wish I had better news.
B
I’ll be honest, with their schedule & sick mom up the street, left alone seems most likely to me (&a reason for a co-responsible party with mom), & if they got off the hook it was likely bcz Jr is now 14 & technically OK. Doesn’t explain no contact though
mom-of-3 says:
May 17, 2012 at 10:22 am
FYI Blink this isnt me- just wanted to let you all know- I realize I havent been able to post as much as Id like lately and I hope this does not mean my handle is up for grabs LOL-
Hi mom-of-3, nice name- thanks for posting this info and thanks for your response Blink:
“I don’t known if this has actually been released or reported yet, but my sources are telling me that CPS has been involved with the Celis family for a few months. This is the first time CPS has actually taken any action in their case (separation of parents and placing brothers with mother).”
That is correct. They had an investigation in December.
B
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I too wonder what the investigation yielded if anything and who initiated the call, and whether or not it was well-founded or not- and whether CPS may have dropped another ball…
Just a thought from out of left field but IF someone took it upon themselves to call CPS- they could have had a soft spot for Isabel and her siblings well-being….the children were not removed from the home and no further actions seem to have resulted ie Father removed from home etc after cps became involved…
Could this set of circumstances, this “nonaction”, have prompted a well-meaning person to take matters in their own hands, when things didnt play out to their satisfaction, could they have stepped up to “save”/abduct little Isa from the home, which they felt was unsuitable?
IDK, anything is possible right now I suppose.
Regardless, CPS was involved and I hope this doesnt turn into another case of shoulda coulda woulda where CPS is concerned.
Blink are you aware of the exact circumstances involving CPS being called etc?
AJMO
LOL. As if there was another you
Of course we knew it was another poster. No, your name is not up for grabs, ever.
I have been getting unconfirmed leads ALL DAY about the CPS issue, and none of it is verified, and I am aware of an INTENTIONAL leak to media. That is never a good sign, but can be a powerful strategic move if done correctly .
That said, I completely agree with you that until one knows who initiated the first CPS case, the dog violations, and anything else that has not yet been released publicly, the information to date can be interpreted as a possible “predator situation, or an “inside individual”.
One thing I am sadly certain of, is this case is going to be a serious tragedy, and you may be right again on the failure of CPS.. I hope we all do not rush to judgement on that though.
B
nanshin,
Hello & thank you for weighing in with your great thoughts, very much appreciated.
Lyla- Hi. You are welcome and I am in agreement with your agreement-
Grace, hello my friend, thank you for your kind words, great to be back – I have been really busy lately, but I have been having BOC withdrawals daily.
Grace, I hope with summer vacation coming on, I will be able to have more time to participate here- for right now though, Ill do what I can- mostly just reading. Nice to see you participating on other threads as well.
IRT your thoughts on Ave Maria, Grace, I concur, as I was one of the “audience” who was adding my prayers.
Peace
AJMO
“Hawke also did not answer a question from a reporter about anonymous and unconfirmed reports that investigators found a message apparently written by Isabel on her closet wall.”
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/tucson-police-give-few-new-details-in-search-for-isabel/article_22dbd07c-a068-11e1-bd01-001a4bcf887a.html
Off Topic…From today ~ excellent recap/coverage of missing CA teen, Sierra Lamar, including on camera interview with Mark Klaas with Klaas Kids Foundation. Latest developments include numerous witnesses coming forward since photos of the red VW with black hood was released.
http://www.kron.com/Article.aspx?ArticleID=4155
Thanks for allowing me to share.
TY SouthernMOM
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“Hawke also did not answer a question from a reporter about anonymous and unconfirmed reports that investigators found a message apparently written by Isabel on her closet wall.”
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/tucson-police-give-few-new-details-in-search-for-isabel/article_22dbd07c-a068-11e1-bd01-001a4bcf887a.html
Handwriting on the closet wall how/where did that info come from ?
Could it be the December visit to the house from CPS was for one of the boys not Isabel ?
Are there any legal documents filed restricting SC from seeing his sons, i.e. a RO? Or is the TPD taking his word on a voluntary verbal agreement from SC?
In one of the interviews BC made a point to say that in addition to being a girly-girl, Isa also plays rough in the dirt with her brothers (or something to that affect.) When I heard it, I briefly wondered if Isa was often seen with bruises, cuts, and scrapes…… and whether the parents have gotten in the habit of using “rough play” with the brothers as an excuse. Something about the way BC so quickly volunteered that information made it seem kind of preempted. As I followed the case, however, I became pro-parents and dismissed my abuse suspicions. Now, I’m back on the fence. Sure would like to know why CPS was investigating.
*Preemptive
http://www.inquisitr.com/238420/isabel-celis-search-continues-father-voluntarily-leaves-home/
Pat Alvarez of the Tucson Citizen asserts that:
“If CPS was involved from the beginning of the Celis Case, it is because there was a concern that something about the situation law enforcement found concerned Police about the home’s safety, the family, or frequent visitors to the home. It may not have been concerns regarding the child’s parents, but perhaps concerns that a relative who visits has a serious arrest record, may use drugs or is suspicious in some way.”
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/238420/isabel-celis-search-continues-father-voluntarily-leaves-home/#477LQ7hvDxG2g3vr.99
No. 21 Just read the article. What is happening here – a message on her closet wall – a 6 year old writes????? I’m feeling very sick about this case.
@moxiemom says:
May 17, 2012 at 6:24 pm
“Hawke also did not answer a question from a reporter about anonymous and unconfirmed reports that investigators found a message apparently written by Isabel on her closet wall.”
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/tucson-police-give-few-new-details-in-search-for-isabel/article_22dbd07c-a068-11e1-bd01-001a4bcf887a.html
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“Hawke started the news conference by clarifying that while the case has now been labeled an abduction, it could involve a stranger, a family acquaintance or a family member.
Isabel’s father, Sergio Celis, has voluntarily separated himself from contact with his wife and their two sons. Hawke said today that the father is under no travel restrictions and that he and other family members continue to cooperate in the investigation.
Hawke said the department continues to work under the assumption that Isabel is alive, adding there has been no specific evidence regarding whether or not that is the case.”
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This wording sounds vaguely familiar..i.e. Kyron Horman disappearance in Portland, Oregon. Must be SOP for LE.
JVM just said that the CPS visit to the Celis’ home in December 2011, (prior to Isa’s disappearance) stemmed from 911 calls from the home. Sorry, I don’t have a link. What are the steps that lead to a CPS visit? (probably varies from state to state)..
Here in CA, I once called police to report child abuse (My neighbor slapped his daughter.. I heard it through an open window..heard her screaming and the slap). I told the 911 operator that CPS needed to come out. The operator said that the police would investigate and THEY would refer the case to CPS. Ordinary citizens can’t report to CPS. Does this mean that some mandated reporter (teacher, police officer, doctor, nurse) must report an incident to warrant a visit? In this case, if JVM is right, the cops came to the home and witnessed abuse, negelct…after police were summoned to the Celis home by someone calling from the home.
I haven’t seen it written where Isabel went to school. But teachers are trained to be on the front line of any suspected negligence or abuse.
5/17/12, on Nancy Grace: Bethany Marshall, PhD. just hypothesized that SC called 911 because he knew that BC was on her way home and that is why he sounds so casual on the 911 call. He didn’t call 911 because he felt this was an emergency. He called because that would be what he is expected to do if his daughter was kidnapped. Sorry for posting so much…transcribing from the TV…I’m dying for a break and I feel it coming. Poor Isabel.
“Hawke also did not answer a question from a reporter about anonymous and unconfirmed reports that investigators found a message apparently written by Isabel on her closet wall.”
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/tucson-police-give-few-new-details-in-search-for-isabel/article_22dbd07c-a068-11e1-bd01-001a4bcf887a.html
Oh my…………I just read the story in the link. What ever could the message in the closet have been if there really is one? This “anonoymous info” about this message is very mysterious and leads the mind in many places…
Where is this poor child? I wish the police would start moving in on the family if they have suspicions. This is seeming to drag on.
I think someone has already posted about Justin Mastromarino’s record a while back, but I wanted to remind everyone that he was living at the family home in 2011. He has a marijuana possession and DUI charge from 2011 (I am pretty sure it was Nov., 2011–I will check again). Perhaps something he was doing prompted a call from the Celises to the police? Maybe he was smoking pot at the house or had unsavory drug user/dealer types at the house? Just speculating…….Would the police necessarily get CPS involved because of the fact there are kids in the house in a case like this–or no?
Anyone know if there’s a hidden cache somewhere of this information, prior to this one?:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:mq1IbdzrMdYJ:nsn.soaz.info/incidents/zrosemontwest.html+%225000+block+of+e+12th+st.%22+%22tucson%22&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
This one appears to be 3/31/12 through 5/11/12, and yet I’m not seeing anything at the Celis home????
I do notice some things listed at the 4900 blk of E 12th, but the reason for the call is blank. (I would think the Celis addy would be considered 5000 blk, but, who knows how this works?)
@moxiemom says:
May 17, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Unconfirmed reports by anonymous is not strong enough for me to go there fully.
snip: Hawke repeated that the police would not discuss evidence in the case, and that she was unaware of such a discovery.
With so many mistakes and misstates by media in this case…easy for me to accept and I want to believe there was not a desparate plea message scribbled by Isa on her closet door. I pray it’s just a rumor or fabrication.
Prayers for Isa.
Correction on Justin Mastromarino:
DUI-5/2011
DUI-6/2011
DUI and Marijuana possession-7/11
**The November dates were his court dates.
Still, a real winner to be living in the Celis house with 3 kids……
@ pueblodweller says:
May 17, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Good point. I wonder if JM was still living in the home at the time of his arrest. If that was the address he gave LE at the time, that could have prompted CPS to investigate, however if we are to believe the claim it was a 911 call…who knows. Hopefully, that 911 call can be released as well. I assuming it came from the home and not a neighbor.
Cindy says:
May 17, 2012 at 9:18 pm
I haven’t seen it written where Isabel went to school. But teachers are trained to be on the front line of any suspected negligence or abuse.
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I know someone who works at the same hospital and they have of course heard talk/rumors. The only thing she really heard was that someone’s kid goes to the same school as the Celis kids and that one of the teachers said the dad is ‘weird’. Isabel was in 1st grade and I would think teachers were some of the first people the PD would talk to. Of course being ‘weird’ isn’t a crime, but when something does happen, things like that then pop into one’s mind.
@Monkeybunny. you got that response because you dialed 911. You reported to police, not CPS.
In every area a CPS tip line or contact line is well publicized. And complaints can be anonymous.
One reason CPSinvestigations or any involvement with cps is totally confidential is any tom dick
or harry can call an accusation in, and anonymously, and the investigated person won’t know who did it.
It can be a grudge thing, or specious, and CPS is still mandated to investigate.
a message in the closet–was she being locked in?
I don’t think so or boys wouldn’t be with Becky.
Mom wouldve been expected to prevent that.
If it was 911 calls, probably a boy calling in due to beatings,
not Mom calling bcz cps came.
http://www.google.com/search?q=justin+mastromarino+facebook&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari
the last entry url on this page–allegedly sent on FB in the last day by JM to Becky
and tweeted by JM, a communication to Becky.
I cant check it as the link & twitter page have disappeared
http://www.google.com/search?q=justin+mastromarino+facebook&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari
the last entry url on this page–allegedly sent on FB in the last day by JM to Becky
and tweeted by JM, a communication to Becky.
I cant check it as the link & twitter page have disappeared
Rose-
What does it say?
I studied JM FB page a while back because at that time, I really felt that he seemed suspect–based on his odd comments to police day Isa was reported missing. He had an entry that said “loved being loved, loved being uncle” and it really gave me the creeps…..Another thing I noticed with his FB page is that all the comments are repeated under each entry (they are old ones repeated–as thought they were inserted there after the fact). When you study his FB page, you see a timeline of when he came to AZ (from FLA), his first trip to Mexico, etc. Interestingly, shortly after he arrives in AZ, he is arrested for DUI/drug possession on at least 3 occasions. He lived with the Celises. Not a very good character to have living with kids…..
But,is he an improbable suspect since likely the parents wouldn’t protect him if they thought he had anything to do with this??
. . . As a little girl of about Isa’s age, I remember vividly hiding in the back of my closet, when I was scared and did not know where else to go / have access to anywhere else to go . . . and by age 6, would surely have had the ability to at least scrawl the words “Help Me”. . . Thank goodness for my dear sweet Grammie who would come and find me, and tell me everything was ok. Maybe poor Isa did not have a grandmother to come and rescue her . . .
I refuse to read too much into CPS having visited the family in the past. All it takes for CPS to visit is one angry person for matters which have nothing to do with the children. Until further info is released I will refrain from commenting on the past.
There is no indication that a “message” was written by Isabel, even if in fact there was writing on the wall or on something else, in the closet or elsewhere, none of which has been confirmed. Sergio did say in an interview something about when they went back into the house for the first time, seeing all of Isabel’s drawings on the wall, something like that, that now seems a little weird, but also could be the source of this question from press today. Or he mentioned the “drawings” on the wall in case LE came across anything unusual, in a way to stress that she had always drawn or written on the walls.
I have a feeling there is nothing much in this particular bit.
Still, having a hard time getting back CPS involvement coupled with an almost catatonic and disinterested 911 call. Something is wrong in this family, of that I have no doubt. And coincidences are few and far between, IMO…too much going on for there not to be some family involvement, on some level, in my opinion.
the last url on that page has now moved & is no 2 on the following page says in caps “Becky u no look at her butt?”
or something purportedly from JM but who knows?
Well I have chewed, swallowed and come to the conclusion this is some kind of scam. Either Sergio took Isabel to show Becky or Becky removed Isabel to protect her from Sergio. Even his friend on NG says “Sergio knows what happened to her?” Well tell us Sergio…we wait.
I am leaning towards Mexico and I also think a lot about Balloon Boy.
This little Fort Knox home is a house of horrors. 911 calls, CPS visit, daughter missing, uncle missing, LE investigating money, Marijuana and booze.
Which reminds me of another thought. Could Sergio have been high on drugs or booze when he made that 911 call? That was strange to say the least.
Where is the tape from the store showing activities from Friday night Saturday morning? LE surely put the wrong one out fast enough. I wonder if it showed something.
Balloon boy. Scam. Mexico.
@ Kris says:
May 17, 2012 at 8:22 pm
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In one of the interviews BC made a point to say that in addition to being a girly-girl, Isa also plays rough in the dirt with her brothers
I think the term BC used about Isa was she likes to “play hard” & that is also a term they use in baseball or sports..
Elizabeth says:
May 18, 2012 at 7:13 am
Well I have chewed, swallowed and come to the conclusion this is some kind of scam. Either Sergio took Isabel to show Becky or Becky removed Isabel to protect her from Sergio. Even his friend on NG says “Sergio knows what happened to her?” Well tell us Sergio…we wait.
I am leaning towards Mexico and I also think a lot about Balloon Boy.
This little Fort Knox home is a house of horrors. 911 calls, CPS visit, daughter missing, uncle missing, LE investigating money, Marijuana and booze.
Which reminds me of another thought. Could Sergio have been high on drugs or booze when he made that 911 call? That was strange to say the least.
Where is the tape from the store showing activities from Friday night Saturday morning? LE surely put the wrong one out fast enough. I wonder if it showed something.
Balloon boy. Scam. Mexico.
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Maybe the uncle is missing because at the request of the family he is hiding her “safely in Mexico” till this blows over.. A newer version of the Balloon Boy story.. I read on another site that Isabel’s passport is missing but cannot find that stated in an article anywhere & might have come from a neighbor (?)..