Isabel Celis Abduction BREAKING NEWS: Docs Show Blood In Bedroom Police Eye Family AND Neighbor
*LIVE TONIGHT On THE DANA PRETZER SHOW Blink Discusses The Isabel Celis Case*
After 550 plus pages of what amounts to discovery in a likely criminal case, Friday afternoon yielded a window to the world of the investigation of missing 6 year old Isabel Mercedes Celis.
Isa, according to the document release consisting of 6 packets of PDF files of police incident and timesheet reports was last seen by her Father who kissed her goodnight and dimmed her bedroom light after showering and braiding of her hair by her Mother Becky in anticipation of her baseball game the next morning with the Diamondbacks.
Isabel’s baseball Jersey number is #4.
The “goodnight kiss” was the first time the public has heard the actual version in his words containing the account that he was the last person to see Isabel before her disappearance as well as confirm that her window was closed when he closed the door.
Certainly not unexpected to hear a loving father’s tender goodnight detail to his baby girl, but most unexpected was the revelation that on Isabel’s bedroom floor was an obvious area of blood.
While it has not been disclosed whose blood was located on the floor of the southeast middle bedroom located on E 12th St, Sergio and Becky Celis were required to provide blood samples under a warrant obtained a few days later.
The Usual Suspects- FAMILY
It is clear from the released reports that a significant amount of time and effort has been spent on investigation of Sergio Celis and Becky’s brothers Bob Rodriguez and Justin Mastromarino as previously reported on www.blinkoncrime.com Mastromarino’s own niece Chelsea and her fiancée Danny Cline told a shoe salesperson and subsequently investigators that they believe he is a drug dealer and owes someone a great deal of money and Isa was taken for some purpose to satisfy that debt.
A truck owned by Bob Rodriguez was removed by warrant from in front of the Celis home without warning and a towel which tested negative for blood but reacted to luminol was taken into evidence as well as a pocket knife from its contents.
Blood evidence was found in the driver’s seat of the Toyota Corolla mostly driven by Sergio Celis and the red inoperable Acura as well as a stained shower curtain and white hat. Keeping in mind, Tucson PD released some documents that are heavily redacted as they are required via a freedom of information act request, by any standard; the completeness of the response teams and first responders to the scene and the surroundings was swift and MASSIVE.
Exactly one week earlier on April 13th, Sergio Celis received several criminal citations to include dogs running at large, without proper vaccinations and licenses. Celis pled not guilty during an arraignment on April 26th and is due back in court on June 4th.
At the risk of inserting a glib remark in the middle of such a macabre subject matter- Who let The Dogs Out? Who, Who Who?
Who prompted the report to Tucson City Police in the first place? Was someone attempting to have the animals removed from the residence a week earlier?
Do all the dogs belong to the Celis’s or are they housing them for a family member who now lives in an apartment and cannot keep a pet?
Perhaps this is an indication that what looks to be a fortified and nearly impenetrable without detection abode is, well, not so much. In a video of Isabel singing and dancing to an Abba song (undated but presumed recent) it is clear that the living room window, which shares the same outside wall as the window next to it separated by the interior wall Sergio references in his 911 call, is clearly open.
Celis LR Open BOC
On May 11, citing a previous CPS involvement in December of 2011 and “to provide time and distance” between Sergio and his two sons, Sergio Celis voluntarily agreed to a no contact order after a CPS meeting which was instigated by the detectives working on Isabel’s case- due to “information they learned in the course of the investigation” into Isabel’s disappearance.
What prompted the concerns exactly has not been made public and the order remains in effect. Becky Celis and Sergio’s sister refuted any allegations that Mr. Celis was anything but a model dog owner, Father and Husband at a public vigil for Isabel.
No doubt Sergio Celis’s use of the word abducted and his inappropriate lack of hysteria during the 911 call has made him a defacto suspect if only in the minds, thoughts… and blogs of those following Isabel’s case.
It is not the only oddity. During his first interview at the scene with police, Sergio states he is aware of the registered sex offender down the street, he knows him, and he does not believe him to be involved.
Is that a natural response of a parent who has knowledge of the sex offender status of a neighbor when he has just learned his child is missing?
That said, in the interviews of Sergio Celis’s employers who have known him for several years, he was found to be an exemplary employee, model husband and family man whose advice one dental surgeon sought often for his own personal situation.
It is standard protocol for detectives to conduct a parallel investigation of the victims family, in this case where a 6 year old child seemingly disappears from the window of her bedroom sometime between midnight and 6:30AM, with three dogs on the premises, a stranger abduction within the walls of what looks like a mini Alamo replica defies statistics and logic.
Or Does it?
Neighborly Concern
Matching footprints in the soft dirt around a green electric box along the south wall of the Celis home, on the top of the electric box and on a gas meter box – all along on the southeast perimeter of the wall leading to the alley ( S. Jefferson and E. Cooper) were found by a first response mobile team member and described as “wolverine” pattern as opposed to standard police issue work boots.
Alicia Sturdevant, the infamous neighbor lady who heard male voices outside Isabel’s window as well as barking dogs at 6:28 AM the morning of her disappearance, gave that account in her first interview adding to her credibility of a fresh witness account. Someone posting from another neighbor’s face book account belonging to a Chris Pike, an adult child sibling to a playmate of the Celis children seems to think Ms. Sturtevant’s account is untrue, but has not specified why.
By approximately 8:30AM the morning of Saturday April 21, Tucson Police Department has been on scene for several minutes, has completed initial interviews with the family, incident command has been established and officers begin the immediate knock and talk canvases in the hopes of finding Isabel, or information useful to locating her.
They begin next door and proceed door to door, upon reaching the home of Michael Dimitriov, who informs the officer that he is a RSO, one officer is requested to wait there for a detective interview, and requests to search the home and cars.
At approximately 8:40 Officer Bustamonte is greeted at the door by Alicia Gregory. She states she and her boyfriend went to bed at midnight but heard nothing unusual. According to the officer’s notes, he only speaks to Alicia, in fact, he spells her boyfriend’s name phonetically as he heard her say it: Nathan McDonell.
Mr. Nathan McDonald is not at the residence.
Officer Robinson is then directed to go to Freedom Park to continue search efforts for Isabel, as her team was playing the baseball game scheduled for that morning in her absence. Upon arrival, it was learned that only Isabel’s coach had been informed that she was missing during an earlier call from Sergio Celis.
As Robinson is circling back to receive further assignments in continuing efforts to find Isa, he is tasked with keeping track of vehicles leaving the immediate neighborhood of 12th and Van Buren and notes a green Jetta GLS parked to the East of Craycroft on E. 14th St. After running it’s plates to learn it is registered to a Nathan Patrick McDonald, resident of E. 12th St ., the officer informs Sgt. Dana, incident commander. A redacted portion of the conversation appears in the report.
This occurs at 10:15AM. Between 10:15 and 10:35, the officer observes McDonald emerge from the South end of the Wilshire Park field, carrying a large maglite. McDonald crosses through the middle of the field and when he reaches his vehicle, the officer approaches and McDonald confirms that the green Jetta is his vehicle. He tells him he had heard about the missing girl and was out searching tunnels and washes to the north and south where he found nothing.
McDonald “abruptly” informs the officer he must leave to go home to EAT BREAKFAST and leaves the area in his vehicle. BASTA informs ALL radio contact assigned of his exchange with the subject and a call to other officers on duty with orders to record all vehicles, including taking images of all vehicles currently parked on E. 12th st .
By 10:45AM all are instructed to stop, log plate and driver info and request consent search every vehicle coming in or out of the area.
Chris Lutzelberger, a resident of S. Essex St who likely observed the exchange between McDonald and the officer, asked him what all the police presence in the neighborhood was about.
Lutzelberger informed Robinson him that a man matching McDonald’s description was sitting on an electrical box located behind his residence earlier that morning from approximately 9AM-9:30Am at which time he told the individual to leave.
By 11AM, as security was requested by another officer at 11:23AM, a wash no more than 50 yards from where McDonald entered the south end of the park yielded a sheet, bed skirt, and a bag of clothes that were processed at the scene and taken into evidence.
A warrant was secured hours later at the McDonald/Gregory home on E. 12th St. Taken into evidence was a shoeprint on landscaping “fabric” from the backyard. Shoeprints were now collected on 3 other surface areas.
Part II publishes Monday June 4
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Blink I have been researching and I was hoping you can answer whether or not the person responsible for these a child abductions was caught and sentenced- I am unable to find any follow-up news report stating as such- although in one report LE was circulating a composite.
Which seems to underscore nurse sadies point that LE and the media dont follow through- or is this too an open investigation as LE were never sure if all the cases were connected or not- or if they were dealing with more than one perp
Which makes me wonder if any of these cases can be connected to Isa or that of the 3 girls-
See here:
http://tucsoncitizen.com/morgue/2007/02/01/40478-3-phoenix-girls-taken-from-beds-assaulted/
Snipped-
Police say the attacker is shockingly brazen, creeping in through bedroom windows, snatching the girls and sexually assaulting them. He has struck at least three times since June and possibly as many as five. The youngest victim was just 3.
All the victims have been Hispanic. The girls were taken even while adults were in the homes. All three of the attacks definitively linked were at public housing projects.
further snipped:
Phoenix police say the attacker is “extremely determined,” picking out his victims ahead of time, going directly to them in the home and taking them regardless of the high risk of getting caught.
“These are not opportunistic,” Markey said. “These are planned. He’s done some sort of surveillance. He’s thought this out.
“We know he’s probably not going to stop.”
The attacker likely is fulfilling a sexual fantasy and getting a “sexual rush” from actually taking kids out of their homes, Detective Jerry Barker said. But Barker suspects the man also feels guilty afterward.
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Its sad that it seems like Arizona parents have been living on high alert for sometime….
So even though these occurred in Phoenix in 2007, could any of these cases be tied into Isas as perhaps if not apprehended the sicko has now moved, and escalated into never returning the child and possible murder?
Were these cases solved? TIA
AJMO
Peace
Sexton was convicted by a jury in under an hour, and no, the Tucson home invasion has neither been solved or ruled out as connected to the Celis case that I am aware of.
B
Thanks Blink what about the five 2007 abductions in Phoenix ?
3 were thought to be connected but at least 2 others LE werent sure about-
Did LE ever apprehend anyone for any of these cases? Or are teh Bad guys still out there?
Ps- it would seem that if someone wanted to stage an abduction- they may have been aware of these cases and tried to make Isas case or the other 3 girl Tuscon case seem similar to the 2007 cases….
TIA
AJMO
I think I am missing a part of your post, will review, I thought I had it all but scrolling on droid in the sunlight, lol.
B
Mom3.0 thank you for the warm welcome.
MB
Blink, help me out here.
By no means am I insinuating that people that actually saw the family together are lying, but can you give me a couple reasons why the local media would sit on this information and not report it. I know the media must have been informed of this important information and yet I’m wracking my brain as to why so *hush hush* about it. Thanks.
I think you are giving the MSM too much credit and I don’t see why they would be “informed” if a voluntary agreement that we do not know the details of, or a possible subsequent investigation has now ended and it’s findings did not include the need to either continue the current custody agreement or remove anyone is something that CPS reports to anyone except LE. In fact, I recall LE saying not to read too much into it in the first place.
B
I understand what you are saying, but my question is if a citizen has informed local media “Hey, I saw the family all together on such and such a day–is the CPS agreement over?” and then the media says “Gee, I don’t know, we will have to check that out.”
If the media then confirms that yes, they are indeed together and the CPS agreement is over, why would they (MSM) not report that? I’m not saying LE or CPS needs to inform them or has a duty to.
The media has no way to confirm anything about CPS unless they go through LE, and I am pretty sure LE is not going to comment, confirm or deny if this is the case. In short, this is not front page news, it was expected, so maybe that is why. Although LE initiated it, a CPS investigation is conducted unilaterally by CPS unless there is a reason to involve LE.
As far as no updates on the ongoing investigation, I can only say I am working on my follow up as it relates to the doc dump, but outside of that, I would say perhaps a grand jury is being seated, or the very unfavorable position that they have hit an investigative wall.
B
Yes, I remember the Chief saying not to read too much into it as well. Personally, I don’t think the family is involved in her disappearance at all, but that doesn’t wash well with the majority I imagine. I see other outsiders being equally suspicious, IMO.
agreed.
B
Sergio Celis reports little Isabel Celis missing…Tucsonans want to help find her
by Pat Alvarez on Jun. 14, 2012, under Tucson Child Welfare News and Information
http://tucsoncitizen.com/pats-bits-and-bytes/?p=156
all CPS activity is completely confidential.
Youth Detectives are involved in a CPS investigation only if physical
or sexual abuse is alleged.
I suspect the way the system worked was CPS took in an initial report on Celis Dad via LE who made or passed it on. The separation was for an investigatory period.
If they are together now, the cps investigation was unfounded accusation OR they ard in a sliding scale reunification period, maybe not overnights yet, and assessing how it’s going.
Cps agreements are not static like a Court order.
Without a Court order, they are voluntary, and they are fluid.
CPS will be involved if they have quantifiable reasons that the kids are in harms way. Not just abuse. The will recommend this if there is an investigation for those reasons and until their investigation is complete. If during these investigation there is cause to move to a permanent status they will take court action to take away parental rights. I believe that the voluntary action was to prevent the boys from going to a foster home during the CPS investigation. Which I believe was reported by one of the media.
Nurse Sadie, respectfully, that is incorrect. Detectives in this case, during their investigation, developed information that caused them to contact CPS. Through that investigative meeting, Mr. Celis voluntarily agreed to an agreement barring him from contact.
I am simply referring to the circumstances in this case, and I would like to stay factually correct as best we can.
B
LOL. Unless I purchase the dragon, which does not work, btw, I now have what I believe to be surely terminal poison from my palms to my armpits on both hands/arms.
I was wearing acetone gauze earlier, which can only be done outside of course, so in 95 degrees. Say goodbye to cilia, silly me.
This because I spent the weekend with the fam playing landscape samurai at my parents who need a tad of help these days. But don’t tell them
I will get there, I promise.
Blink punches keyboard with arms outstretched- HUNT, PECK, FIND. ENTER.
B
(article snips)
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"Today marks 2 months since 6-year-old Isabel Celis was last seen."
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"Hawke said the volume of leads has dropped off but that they are still receiving tips."
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18840987/1800-leads-2-months-into-the-search-for-isabel
So . . . does this sort of say TPD still needs tips?
B
it was report on local news that he agreed to the seperation to prevent the boys from going to foster care. I think it was KGUN but can not be sure. Yes it was also reported that CPS had been working with TPD and that they were brought back in by TPD.
You obviously seem to want to take contest to anything I post , so good bye . I think this is a waste of time to get honest comments on this site and I also am amazed that you speak to truth and this site is so full of rumor.
Ma’am, I ask that we discuss factually based information, and if something is rumor, it is stated as such.
You were presenting a process of CPS and LE and it was not based on facts that have published as such on this site. I am simply asking for the courtesy that one reads the posts and comments here before posting, I am not being personal with you, I promise.
B
wpg says:
June 20, 2012 at 10:07 pm
(article snips)
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"Today marks 2 months since 6-year-old Isabel Celis was last seen."
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"Hawke said the volume of leads has dropped off but that they are still receiving tips."
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18840987/1800-leads-2-months-into-the-search-for-isabel
So . . . does this sort of say TPD still needs tips?
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I don't think it says either way, but clearly, if they have not found Isabel, they still need any tips that might even be remotely helpful. I have never heard of LE in any case saying they won't take more tips. Obviously, this implies that the tips are real and not fabricated.
Newer article:
headline: “More leads yet no sign of Isabel Celis two months later”
(snips)
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" "I thought she'd be home by now. I really did," says long-time neighbor Linda Pike.
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"They always seemed happy and a really close family so it's hard to see it that way."
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"On Wednesday the Department of Economic Security would not say whether the father, Sergio Celis, has been reunited with his sons following a no contact order."
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"…volunteers are planning another prayer vigil for the safe return of Isabel Celis."
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18841754/two-months-passed-and-no-sign-of-isabel-celis
Arizona Daily Star article (pretty much same content as Tuscon News Now)
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/new-leads-falling-off-months-after-isabel-s-abduction/article_c3b012ca-e421-5cc9-b8c1-e3ce1789b1f3.html
Blink Hello were you able to review and determine if the perp/S in the 2007 abduction cases was apprehended?
For review:
http://tucsoncitizen.com/morgue/2007/02/01/40478-3-phoenix-girls-taken-from-beds-assaulted/
Snipped-
Police say the attacker is shockingly brazen, creeping in through bedroom windows, snatching the girls and sexually assaulting them. He has struck at least three times since June and possibly as many as five. The youngest victim was just 3.
All the victims have been Hispanic. The girls were taken even while adults were in the homes. All three of the attacks definitively linked were at public housing projects.
further snipped:
Phoenix police say the attacker is “extremely determined,” picking out his victims ahead of time, going directly to them in the home and taking them regardless of the high risk of getting caught.
“These are not opportunistic,” Markey said. “These are planned. He’s done some sort of surveillance. He’s thought this out.
“We know he’s probably not going to stop.”
Thanks Blink- I appreciate any info you can find- I know you are busy but I am just concerned that if not apprehended- they could have moved and escalated
MB youre welcome.
WPG thanks for the sad reminder 2 months-
AJMO
Peace
I was strictly referring to Sexton, I do not believe I saw some of your piece outside of what I responded to.
B
Blink, I think we are misunderstanding one another – the cases I am referring to are discussed in this piece:
http://tucsoncitizen.com/morgue/2007/02/01/40478-3-phoenix-girls-taken-from-beds-assaulted/
—This article is not discussing the case that took place so close in time to Isas- that may or may not be related
This is discussing 3 different Phoenix girls and others who were abducted and returned in 2007 NOT 2010
No worries – I would think LE looked into these past cases and know whether or not they fit….
Thanks and sorry for the misunderstanding.
AJMO
oops 2012 yikes what year is it? where am I ? Huh? no wonder you are misunderstanding me…
Prayers for Isa
AJMO
Sorry Thanks again Blink
K, I think your post was at least 2 parts, I believe I did not see part of the first.
1. In relation to the 2007 multiple offenses of Hispanic girls in housing projects, I have no information, but no time to dedicate to running it down past taking a brief look, unfortunately.
2. wrt the offense of the home in Tanque Verde, with one victim and 2 other young children present, occurring 4/27 or 4/28, their has been no apprehension although we have discussed that case on this thread. To my knowledge, there has been no exclusion or inclusion to the Celis case.
3. The 2009 Jonathan Sexton offender who invaded the home of a 5 year old special needs child and sexually assaulted him, he was convicted and remanded in 2010.
If you are asking my opinion, I do not believe 1 and 3 are related to any of the others, but without more info I could not exclude #2 and the Celis case being connected at this time.
B
Much Obliged for your thoughts and opinions-
Thanks for taking a look again Blink-
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Wpg-
you pasted this:
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/new-leads-falling-off-months-after-isabel-s-abduction/article_c3b012ca-e421-5cc9-b8c1-e3ce1789b1f3.html
After reading
Sadly it does seem that police are starting to work the case as if it is a cold case….
You may have been right Nurse Sadie as hard as that is for me to write–joking
well everyone JFTR I think NSadie may have been right in this instance
as
According to this article LE only has 15 officers working on Isas case and strangely enough they are still hoping they will find her and bring her home safe- are they thinking many years down the line or months or tomorrow?
Is it just wishful thinking to hope that LE know she is alive and are looking for her? In any case the words of LE dont seem to convey any suspicion over the Celis family hurting her and disposing of her body… or something along the lines of Caylee
IDK
I am totally confused by this case and I sincerely hope and pray I wake up tomorrow to read that Isa is home safe and sound.
AJMO
Peace
“”I am totally confused by this case and I sincerely hope and pray I wake up tomorrow to read that Isa is home safe and sound”" Amen
Marvelous Blink, will Part 2 be published soon? I’ve been following Isa’s case, and I’m so discouraged by how sharply things seem to have dropped off. I know LE is probably doing a lot behind the scenes, I just wish there was just ONE encouraging sign that Isa will be found. Is there any goodish news at all?
I can’t get Isabel off of my mind & am dismayed at the lack of information/updates regarding this case. How can a child disappear into thin air?? The only place I see anything happening is on this blog:
http://tucsoncitizen.com/pats-bits-and-bytes/?p=159
Thank you Moxiemom for the article! Glad to see it’s not just us here waiting for ANY tidbit of info in this case. Well, not just this case but ALL our missing we have been posting about. I know everyone here will understand when I say that I’m sorry we actually have blogs about missing children/loved ones. I just wish that they wouldn’t be missing at all. God Bless them.
Blink, sorry to cross case threads, but your words regarding your 6 year old niece – - “How wise is that?” – - in a reply today to Deborah on the most current Jennifer Kesse thread, reminds me that 2 months ago JustinM described 6 year-old Isabel Celis as “very wise”.
(snippet of Blink’s reply)
June 25, 2012 at 6:41 pm
“My very willfull and vocal niece who is 6, wanted to help me while working in the densest part of my parents gardens. I told her she needed to stay where I could see her because I was both using some tools I was concerned about her getting injured, and overall, every kid in our family knows automatically they have 3 mothers and a Mom Mom- comes with the territory, lol.
She responded.. You know, if I ever get lost anywhere, my “breadcrumbs” will be my mouth, so I don’t know what you are worried about.
How wise is that? The breadcrumbs to find Jenn are someone’s mouth.
I believe that without question.
B”
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/03/06/jennifer-kesse-missing-new-evidence-and-new-leads-connect-to-old-names-in-casey-anthony-saga/#comments
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(snippet from article posted April 22, 2012))
“Mastromarino described his niece as “just a sweet little girl.”
“All the ambition in the world. She could do whatever she wanted. Didn’t really like strangers or anything like that so very close knitted and just very wise,” said Mastromarino.”
article and video
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/04/isabel-celis-6-year-old-girl-vanishes-from-tucson-arizona-home/
Should have added my point of posting both comments.
JM’s words give me the impression he was not at the time convinced so quickly that Isabel was taken by someone she did not know, even though the writer of the article puts in the sentence “Celis’ family has no doubt she was kidnapped by a stranger.” and the article is an edited product of the reporter’s info-gathering.
Not the strongest of a post/point, but with the obvious absence of voices from Isabel’s family, it is much too quiet for me to sit idle for this long especially when LE has said more than once that tips are increased when the family has publicly spoken out.
Just checking to see if there’s anything new. Still thinking and praying for Isabel every day.
I need to apologize, I will update this piece when I can, I was on a waitlist for some courses that had a last minute opening with a catch- I must take them simultaneously. Blink is in Summer school while our kids are not, lol.
I appreciate the patience
B
@Blink. Seize the Day!
No need to apologize, Blink. I’m actually amazed by all that you juggle here and in your private life. I know you’ll update when you can. Unfortunately, I fear there’s not much going on with Isa’s case to report to us even if you had the time. I have a sinking feeling in my heart for this little girl.
There is the TPD just requested that the information in the search warrants be restricted for a an extended period of time. One of the reasons stated is that there could be content in the warrant that only the abductor would know and do not want to put it out in the public domain. See KGUN9 web site for information.
Here ya go:
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/160916585.html
B
(snipped) “There is the TPD just requested that the information in the search warrants be restricted for a an extended period of time. One of the reasons stated is that there could be content in the warrant that only the abductor would know and do not want to put it out in the public domain. See KGUN9 web site for information.
Here ya go:
http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/160916585.html
B”
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Explains the silence. They’re onto something, hopefully arrest(s)! God bless Isa.
May God bless all those who have lost their freedom due to being victims of crime. May Isa and all the missing be found SOON!!
Love to all the Blinksters and to Blink
I just saw this: Another 6 six year old girl went missing from her bedroom (in Utah).
http://www.thedaily.com/page/2012/06/29/062912-news-utah-girl-1-2/
This is interesting … another 6-yr old little girl kidnapped from her home and found sexually abused and murdered a short time later. She looks a little like Isa but it’s a case in Utah. So sad. I say SO’s and child murderer’s need to be executed as soon as they’re found guilty. I’m sick of this crap.
http://www.christianpost.com/news/sierra-newbold-6-murdered-and-dumped-in-canal-theres-a-predator-out-there-say-police-77374/
I am one Tucsonan who is frustrated as hell with little or no news about anything happening with this case!! WHAT is the deal????
We are all frustrated, but I will not have links to false and inaccurrate reporting while making unfounded accusations on my site. Prayers for Isabel and her family.
B
No news on Isa’s case? Is anyone living back at the home? Is Sergio still being asked not to have contact with his sons?
Is this another missing child case slowly fading into the darkness?
Prayers today for God to shine a light into the darkness and help bring Isa and all these babies home.
Volunteers have new base:
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/volunteers-have-new-base-in-search-for-isabel-celis/article_8c536766-e7fe-5eea-88e5-071b5d058dcf.html
Becky Celis says she prays. She receives relief and a sense that Isa is coming home.
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At the same website we have news of a Canine Officer’s dog’s demise after he was inadvertently left in a patrol car for over an hour.
RIP Jeg.
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/drug-sniffing-dog-left-in-dps-patrol-car-is-euthanized/article_64255c13-7743-55c0-a783-5f05cb58663c.html
Blink, Recently I received a letter from TPD that I’d like to share with you.
http://s1049.photobucket.com/albums/s392/NathanMcDonald85711/?action=view¤t=letter.jpg
I still ask that you remove your article and interview. If not, I would request then that you include direct input from TPD regarding me and Alicia in your Part II report.
While Alicia and I both continue to hope for the safe return of Isabel Celis, we cannot see how unnecessary attempts to connect either of us to this terrible situation are helping anyone.
Thank You,
Nathan McDonald
Mr. McDonald, I will not be in a position to remove any coverage,however, I will absolutely post this and include it in my additional reports.
For the record, I want you to be clear, that I will also include my attempts to seek comment from TPD and their response.
That said- we are all united in bringing Isabel home.
B
Nathan McDonald says:
July 19, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Blink, Recently I received a letter from TPD that I’d like to share with you
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Nathan, that letter is fantastic. I have never heard of LE sending a letter like that. Blink, have you?
Although they may not have formally cleared you specifically, it sounds like they at least understand that you have been under the magnifying glasses of many.
Never in any case I have worked on personally, or covered here.
B
Apparently they feel I’ve been slighted enough to contribute to my defense.
“I will not have links to false and inaccurrate (sic) reporting”. Blink, I promise you, your article and interview are exactly that. Please remove them.
Mr. McDonald, we will not be going around abut this again. I disagree, and have provided every opportunity for you to correct what you feel is misinformation, which btw, was gleaned from publicly available documents that are being discussed additionally on numerous other sites.
I published your letter without hesitation. You have chosen to comment, and not to comment, as it were, of your own free will and intention.
Lastly, did you request permission to publicly post that letter?
B
Unless you can figure out an effective approach to un-ringing a bell or revise our constitution my best suggestion to you is to
Mr. McDonald, I would like to know under what circumstances the Tuscon Police Dept. felt obliged to write that form letter.(Form letters are no longer generic but will contain language specific to the person and their complaint or compliment.) How many times did you contact them and I would really appreciate if you posted your communication(s) with the Tuscon Police Dept.
Fascinating Stuff!
Nathan McDonald says:
July 23, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Apparently they feel I’ve been slighted enough to contribute to my defense.
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Mr. McDonald resurfaces, appearing obsessive about negative “slights” throughout the initial investigation in Isabel’s disappearance, but what is he doing specifically to bring Isabel home? Is he still searching drainage pipes?
From the letter posted, it’s clear he has been in contact with the TPD, wanting (demanding?)a written statement acknowledging him as a “Good Samaritan.” The references to Nathan McDonald and “his girlfriend” seem scripted, as if the author is utilizing Mr. McDonald’s own language.
To dig deeper, what is the purpose of the letter? It does not contain the language of formal clearance as a suspect. He posted it on his photobucket page. Is it posted on the “Bring Isa Home” site? Again, I’m confused about Mr. McDonald’s intent by the renewed contact with Blink.
JMHO.
Emilie,
Im sorry but I think you are being way too hard on Mr McDonald.
I understand that you are only sharing your opinion but to say he is obsessive about slights, and to go further and ask what he has done for Isabel lately- is he still searching drainpipes is cruel.
I realize Blinks article discussing the released Docs was needed as was all the questions and conversations that arose from these documents even those that covered Mr McDonald
As for the letter- I, like you am assuming Mr McDonald contacted them- and they responded with an apology and a thanks for all your help and a plea for Mr. McDonald to continue to reach out and help in the future
snipped:
“The Tuscon Police Department as well as myself certainly regrets the negative attention and scrutiny you and your girlfriend Alicia Gregory may have experienced these past several months. We hope that does not defer you from future Good Samaritan efforts to assist your community and city. You are not deserving of any negative commentary whatsoever.”
Please read that again Emilie It reads Mr. McDonald is not deserving of any negative commentary whatsoever.
Now considering the letter appears to be from LE on Department letterhead- I would assume it is authentic- – I will give Mr. McDonald the benefit of the doubt for I can see no reason why he would go to such extremes to falsify LE documents.
I can not say if he had permission to share this letter or not- but I do not fault him for sharing it- nor do I fault him for kindly asking Blink to share it and include it in Part 2.
I am not surprised that Blink agreed- she IMO is a do right kindof person.
I do not think her coverage of these documents was in any way shape or form meant as any slight toward Mr. McDonald and I understand her need to stand by her previous coverage.
I can also understand Mr. McDonalds thoughts
snipped:
“I still ask that you remove your article and interview. If not, I would request then that you include direct input from TPD regarding me and Alicia in your Part II report.”
Mr McDonald, Blink said she would do this she posted your letter but she will not remove her coverage.
Please do not think of the article or these comments as “unnecessary attempts to connect either of us to this terrible situation ”
Because Sir this discussion and your input and Blinks articles have allowed you to clear-up any misconceptions and it also seems everything resulted in you receiving that commendation letter from LE.
Its all here for everyone to read Sir- you went over and beyond in trying to help your neighbors and LE – and
You are “not deserving of any negative commentary whatsoever.”
I join you in praying for Isa’s safe return
Good Day Sir
AJMO
Peace
The letter covers a lot but did not say is that he is not a “suspect” or even “a person of interest”. Maybe there is a legal foundation for this. (Although it seems it took awhile to name Terry Horman a “person of interest”) I am not familiar with law enforcement practices but am relying on my many years in customer service. Blink says she has never seen this before so maybe the communication was forced by a politician who is trying to get votes in an election year. For instance he wrote the mayor, his town council, the governor…
I consider this to be a “form” letter. It is a detailed form letter meaning that they felt pressure/concern/alarm…to address the specific concerns.
I wonder how many of the people who have truly volunteered selflessly in the search of Isabel have been duly recognized. That said I do not think he had anything to do with the disappearance of Isabel but at the same time I wouldn’t rule it out. Its hard for me to believe that anyone would invite more scrutiny which his continual comments on this blog as well as his demands of the police dept have certainly brought.
Of course that may be why Captain Gillooly left out specific language.
lizzygoat,
I do not know what the legal foundation for this is either.
But I can tell you from following the Caylee Anthony case that your further scrutiny of Mr McDonald right now, is not helping.
There were Good Samaritans in that case too. Good Samaritans that the Defense took and tried to use as a means of Reasonable Doubt. They succeeded in getting their client off with the help of a Good Samaritan named Roy Kronk.
Roy Kronk found Caylee Anthonys skull, and reported it to LE. Without RK who knows if little Caylee would have been found.
Because he found her, the defense did everything in their power to throw him under the bus- Before amd during the trial. They were working hard to supply reasonable doubt. They visited forums and relished in the questions and concerns of posters
On The Today Show members of the defense team all but accused him of the murder. He once supposedly used duct tape…he found her when nooneelse could. He was estranged from his xwife and son.
He did it for money and fame…
Roy Kronk during the trial was said to have conspired with GA and
in the end one has to wonder if he thinks his efforts were worth the scrutiny and all the rest
He helped but his actions were twisted to benefit the defense.
I refuse to be part of any such campaign against Mr. McDonald, for Isas sake.
For you see, as of now-the facts as we know them are Mr McDonald was asked for his help in finding Isabel by Isas frantic brother. He went out and searched for Isabel selflessly with no food, no water, and with no thought toward the hot sun.
He did so without thinking of the maybe consequences of doing so-such as becoming a focal point in released docs or, in a way becoming the next Roy Kronk or in your case, being compared to Terry Horman.
I would think Blinks never having seen such a letter before would give it more weight, not less. Law enforcement took the time and energy to write Mr. McDonald.
They wrote a letter which specifically reads, we regret the scrutiny and negative attention- you are not deserving of it, we thank you for your efforts and cooperation and we hope you will continue to help in the future.
“The Tuscon Police Department as well as myself certainly regrets the negative attention and scrutiny you and your girlfriend Alicia Gregory might have experienced these past several months. We hope that does not defer you from future Good Samaritan efforts to assist your community and city. You are not deserving of any negative commentary whatsoever.”
You consider this letter a “form” letter which for you, seems to diminish what was written.
I do not.
First because it is not without specific language and details. Second because it incorporates feelings and emotions and prayers.
Third because some of the most important information was at one time conveyed via a “form” letter. Families were once sent Causalities of War letters/telegrams to inform them their loved one had died.
You wonder about the circumstances of Mr. McDonald’s receiving this letter and basically feel that he could have bullied the police or the mayor etc into writing it using his language. You infer that he is not like the people who have “truly” volunteered selflessly in the search of Isabel who have not been duly recognized.
Mr McDonald IMO is not asking to be recognized- He is asking to go back to obscurity.
You write that you do not think that he had anything to do with the disappearance of Isabel— at the same time you are underscoring the fact the letter did not use the specific language of you are not a suspect nor person of interest.
As if that is reason enough to continue to Kronk Mr. McDonald, well golly I thought they were pretty specific, considering they are talking about an open investigation of a missing child.
You write that it is hard for you to believe that anyone “would invite more scrutiny which his continual comments on this blog as well as his demands of the police dept have certainly brought.”
Mr McDonald is not inviting more scrutiny- he is trying to stop it- AND it seems to me- SO ARE POLICE- please read the letter again
BTW you are only assuming that Mr. McDonald made DEMANDS of police.
The truth is none of us know who is a person of interest or a suspect in Isabels case.
But we do all know what a Good Samaritan is, So until LE tells me different I will consider Mr. McDonald a good Samaritan. To do anything less is to Kronk him and to set up “reasonable doubt” – and most importantly it is akin to stopping the next Good Samaritan from venturing out to help.-
For who would sign up to be Kronked…better to just stay uninvolved then to suffer the consequences of doing the right thing
AJMO
Peace
Mom3.0 says:
July 25, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Emilie,
Im sorry but I think you are being way too hard on Mr McDonald.
I understand that you are only sharing your opinion but to say he is obsessive about slights, and to go further and ask what he has done for Isabel lately- is he still searching drainpipes is cruel.
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You are correct that I am sharing my opinion. Isn’t that why we post here, offering opinions after reading, learning, assessing? I do not post here on a mission to persuade other commenters to my opinion, and have respected your right without personal critique, i.e., calling my statements “cruel.” Please refrain from doing so. Blink approved my comment. She is the moderator.
Why you are taking on the role of apologist for Mr. McDonald is perplexing. Apologist meaning one who speaks or writes in defense of someone or something. Blink has allowed him to post here at great length and he is quite capable of defending himself. I can’t fathom why he would want to come back and re-engage in the same old discussions, but he did. And I have the right to comment.
If you are following this case, you would know that there are no searches for Isabel, yet there is still a “fund” for donations. Donations, no searches. I addressed the issue of searching again because Mr. McDonald wants recognition for his Good Samaratin actions and because of the “negative” press attention. Doesn’t a Good Samaratin continue the search? He acknowledged searching a wash/drainage area, yet you chastise me as being cruel for addressing it.
Finally, the TPD letter did not exclude Mr. McDonald as a suspect. I’m not claiming he kidnapped, killed or disposed of Isabel, but no one has been excluded, including the family and Mr. McDonald and his girlfriend.
Sometimes it’s helpful to take a step back, reflect on the facts and then post at a time when emotional is not prevailing.
Emilie, yes that is what we post here our opinions after learning reading and assessing-
Yes Blink did approve your comment therefore it is up for others to learn from, to assess and albeit critique.
I did not call you as a person cruel. I did not attack you or your right to your opinion or your right to share it.
I gave my opinion, and yes I had hoped my sharing it, might persuade you and others to reread the letter and take a less severe stance against Mr. McDonald. No I will not refrain from giving my thoughts in the future.
I am not an idiot Emilie I know what an apoligist is.
Frankly I can not understand why it is so perplexing to you why someone, anyone, I would stand up to defend a Good Samaritan.
BTW I am not defending him against these articles and all previous comments and concerns. I am not taking his side calling for Blink to remove all content regarding Mr. McDonald.
As Blink said you cant unring a bell. However after reading the letter from LE which CLEARLY is apologetic and states Mr. McDonald is undeserving of ANY NEGATIVE COMMENTARY- I feel it does a disservice to BOC and to Good Samaritans and would be Good Samaritans and to LE to continue to offer NEGATIVE COMMENTARY on Mr. McDOnald
commentary meaning:
1.1. A series of comments,
A series of explanations or interpretations. or annotations: a commentary on the Bible; news followed by a commentary.
2.
an explanatory essay or treatise:
3.
anything serving to illustrate a point, prompt a realization, or exemplify, especially in the case of something unfortunate:
4.
Usually, commentaries. records of facts or events:
You wrote “I cant fathom why he would want to come back here and re-engage in the same old discussions, but he did.”
First- Mr. McDOnald did not come back here to reengage in the same old discussions. He came back her to share the letter and to ask Blink to share it – and yes He hoped it would help to persuade her to remove all prior coverage. He gave it his best shot-
Next it is not hard to fathom why he did it- it is because he feels that some are making unnecessary attempts to connect he and his girlfriend to some nefarious act in Isabels abduction. He came here again to say specifically:
“While Alicia and I both continue to hope for the safe return of Isabel Celis, we cannot see how unnecessary attempts to connect either of us to this terrible situation are helping anyone ”
Frankly Emilie, I am beginning to understand Mr, McDonalds point- for if a letter from LE does not deter you from offering negative commentary what would?
Yes ofcourse you have the right to comment, so do I, we both have a right to our opinions -but I would hope it is after, as you so aptly wrote : after reading, learning, assessing.
I have read and assessed and I have learned that LE, as of July 12th, feels that Mr. McDonald should be commended for his Good Samaritan efforts and LE feels sorry for any scrutiny and negative attention he and his girlfriend might have endured, AND LE feels Mr. McDonald is UNDESERVING of ANY NEGATIVE COMMENTARY.
Emilie,- ofcourse I have been following this case- go back and read – I continue to follow this case, although there hasnt been much to report, sadly.
Yes I know there NEVER were any voluntary searches for Isabel- Mr. McDonald did so on his own- which is commendable, and unfortunately also fodder for the cannon. Yes I realize there is still a fund for donations.
What does that have to do with your comments to Mr McDonald? It seems you are questioning where the donations are going- perhaps you should contact the persons in charge of the fund, that sounds like an admirable way to advocate for Isabel.
Mr McDonald does not want recognition for searching Emilie- He wants to go back to obscurity. He wants to unring the bell., and yes he hopes to stop negative commentary against him- as DOES LE.
“Doesnt a Good Samaritan continue to Search?” you asked…Are you serious?
You wont even recognize he was a Good Samaritan for searching the first time around… now its IF he is a good Samaritan he should still be searching??? Please- – what would you have Mr. McDonald do? I think no matter what Mr. McDonald did- even if he did continue his search, even if he did find Isabel, you would be right there supplying negative commentary.
No the letter did not specifically use the language of YOU ARE NOT A SUSPECT but it came pretty darn close-
I would hope you werent claiming any specific person kidnapped killed and disposed of Isabel and you are correct NO ONE HAS BEEN EXCLUDED not even Blink nor you or I- that does not mean we are in fact persons of Interest or suspects- and it certainly doesnt mean every person that tried to help is one either-
Yes I agree perhaps you might want to take a step back reflect on the facts and then post at a time when emotion is not prevailing as again LE said that Mr. McDonald is not deserving of any Negative commentary.
AJMO
Peace
Mom 3.0,
I always appreciate reading your comments even though our opinions often differ. However I find that you are confusing Negative commentary with the truth and the truth will set you free. I was actually being considerate of Mr. McDonald when I used the word “form” letter what I was thinking is that it is a “pacifier”. Please forgive me for using a more emotionally correct choice of words. Actually I deleted most of what I wrote because I thought perhaps I might be preaching to someone I don’t know. I do have compassion for Mr. McDonald if I were his friend I would have told him to step back. For some reason he has a lot of unnecessary worry about this issue. He stated that the reason he wanted Blink to delete any mention of him is because he is worried it will affect future employment. It wouldn’t. If I were interviewing him and read this it would be is continual argumentative comments that would concern me. Lets suppose we are having a crisis at work….are you a team player? Can you place your focus in the right direction? Mistakes are ok even big mistakes but were you willing to accept responsibility? Do you blame others? How did you learn from your mistake?
I was extremely lucky when I entered the workforce to have an amazing bunch of strong mama kitties to help me out. They would pick me up by the scruff of the neck and shake me around. They did not make excused for some of my idiotic behavior and I am forever in their debt. I in turn have helped youth and my elders. But I don’t put up with nonsense. Quite frankly I was taken aback that Mr. McDonald came back on the blog. I thought maybe his friends or a lawyer…maybe even his boss gave him some advice….Noooo…he couldn’t overcome the force that is Blink and took on an easier opponent the entire Tuscon Police Dept!!! (my style of humor).
There was a time I was naive and as I say instead of running my life. My life ran me. That is true of a lot of people in a rut. I study human behavior and statement analysis to me runs along that vein. One of my favorite things to read right now is this essay by hedge fund manager Ray Dalio entitled PRINCIPALS. http://www.bwater.com/Uploads/FileManager/Principles/Bridgewater-Associates-Ray-Dalio-Principles.pdf
It moved me in two ways. It clarified things I had already learned but could not articulate and it clarified the areas where I am sorely lacking.
I wrote the above so you would “know” me a little better where my thinking comes from. I wonder why Mr. McDonald’s self-inflicted predicament raises so many emotions in you?
Respectfully, Lizzy
P.S. My mother calls me a terrorist!
For anyone who wants to read a good book on the human mind Thomas Gilovich’s HOW WE KNOW WHAT ISN’T SO is an excellent albeit embarrassing read.
http://os24.org/files/a-z/human-mind/Thomas_Gilovich-How_We_Know_What_Isn't_So-EN.pdf
Curious for someone who wants to remain in obscurity…
http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?t=67045
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2012/07/nathan-mcdonald-cleared-in-isabel-celis.html
…like watching a train wreck from more than one view.
Lol, is that Hyatt dude for real with that?
B
Lizzy, thanks for the info. Interesting indeed. Mr. McDonald states it’s best he just stop communicating, but there he is on other sites communicating. At least he admitted requesting the TPD letter.
There’s a disconnect it seems between what Mr. McDonald thinks and what he does. Oh, and he has no idea what happened to Isabel. Not a speculation, not a single idea. Anyone with a functional brain “has an idea.” Why not just say he doesn’t know where she is? JMO.
Isa, you precious little girl, we have not forgotten you. May God keep you and bring you safely home.
Lizzygoat-
Thanks for the links-
To me it is not so curious why Mr McDonald would try to share the letter from Law Enforcement with as many forums as he could, in particular those two which you linked.
BTW the thought on obscurity was mine not Mr. McDonalds.
The Justice League Site-
Its not hard to see why Mr. McDonald Chose to post the letter there-
There are several there who theorized and seemed to have had narrowed down the culprits to either the parents the uncle or to Mr McDonald
The Statement Analysis Site
Peter covered Mr. McDonalds statements in great detail. Sadly, even going so far as to borrow content from BOC without Blinks prior permission. As you know Lizzygoat, it was you who first brought one of Mr. McDonalds posts from BOC to Seamus’s website, so I am sure you are aware of everything that transpired since.
Peter wrote a piece that was totally based upon Mr. McDonalds posts here at BOC- so it does not seem curious to me why Mr. McDonald would send them a copy of the letter.
According to your comments there, Lizzygoat, you are aware Peter first analyzed Nathan McDonalds comments and seemed to think that he was being deceptive and the police should question him again.
You are also aware that after Peter received a copy of The Letter from Law Enforcement which reads Mr McDonald is not deserving of any Negative commentary WHATSOEVER He then came to the conclusion that Mr McDonald “has been cleared”
You seem to put alot of stock into Statement analysis and You seem rather bothered by Peters 180.
Perhaps you are taking the whole thing too personally?
Perhaps you are feeling let down by Peter and you feel it reflects poorly on the art of Statement analysis?
Could you inadvertently be holding onto a position- to “show” Peter? Could you be taking your frustration out on Mr. McDonald- and not even realize it?
It is my understanding that Statement analysis is not foolproof and given that Peter did read the Law Enforcement letter- it seems logical it helped him to form a different opinion. Perhaps he went too far in his opinion, I couldnt say, I am not LE.
PS
As to your comments on whether Peter and his site are up to professional standards, I dont know- although I think Blink may have a thought or two LOL
Heres what I do know -LE wrote that Mr McDonald is not
deserving of any negative commentary whatsoever.
Until I hear different, I will heed their words.
AJMO
Peace
Just weighing in here briefly to both you and lizzygoat- You both present solid pov’s- and I know neither of you needed me to point that out.
B