Jodi Arias Trial: New Witnesses May Reveal Defense Strategy- Prosecution Omissions
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Phoenix, AZ- In a terse exchange prior to the hiatus in the Arias trial, the defense repeated their contention that they want The Honorable Sherry Stephens to order a directed verdict or a mistrial in the State’s case against Jodi Arias.
As reported exclusively by BOC it does seem the prosecution missed quite a bit of potential evidence including a possible motive- the duct tape around Travis’s right arm. Was it the final straw that made Jodi Arias snap as she was allegedly taking photos of Travis in the shower without his knowledge?
There was also an exparte hearing held in Judge Stephen’s chambers, however, the contents of those minutes have not yet been filed- although the docket suggests they have. The defense is now testing Jodi Arias’s canon camera for some undisclosed reason.
With the defense preparing to start its case next week in spite of the outstanding motions before the court- have the prosecution’s actions harmed their case?
The issue at the forefront seems to hinge on something that the prosecution never introduced- On Purpose, says Prosecutor Juan Martinez.
The prosecution’s very first witness, Maria Hall, who was the female friend attending the Cancun trip with Alexander on June 10th, told the court that Travis told her he had been stalked while on a date with another girl and had his tires slashed. The intimation before the court was clear regardless of the defense attempts to point out that Travis never said it was Jodi who was responsible.
Nancy Grace and Jane Velez Mitchell lit up their HLN evening roster discussing Arias’s stalker behavior with several associates of Alexander. Dr. Karl Hiatt said one Sunday he was told that he had his tires slashed and that it was possible that something might escalate and he may not show up for dinner as a result.
Outside the presence of the jury Juan Martinez argued that they did not call the witness who Travis was on that particular date with because he did not want to create “an inflammatory” situation for the jury causing an appellate issue.
However, Martinez also lets it slip that Lisa Andrews Daidone does not want to testify and the defense tells the judge the prosecution has withheld her contact information from them and THEY intend to call her. Daidone recently deleted her FB profile and other social media sites in her name.
Does it make any sense to anyone why a prosecutor would not call a witness who could place a dangerous weapon in the hands of a person committing a destructive and openly violent act who they allege is guilty of doing exactly that for exactly the same reasons in the instant case?
From Daidone’s bog entry in 2008:
”…So because Heavenly Father allowed this to happen, I have grown in such a way that I couldn’t have otherwise, or at least not as quickly. While if you asked me a few months from now if I could go back would I change it, I would say “Absolutely,” I’m not sure how much I would actually change about it. Of course I wouldn’t want Travis to be taken. I might even opt for Jodi to be popped instead. But who am I to decide the fate of the hundreds of people that have been effected by this? It’s hard
to say which way is better. Travis always talked about Opportunity Cost. He spoke of how his time could be used best, to benefit the maximum amount of people. I’m sure he wishes he could have done more while he was here, but I don’t think he regrets leaving. He is doing something amazing up in the Spirit World. I know it. I can feel it. He is continuing to learn and progress. He’s helping others to do the same. He is the same wonderful, creative, spontaneous, caring, gentle, driven, foe- paint-loving, show-tune-singing man that I fell in love with…”
Is it because in the 48 Hours Mystery program so frequently noted by the defense Detective Flores openly states there was no evidence whatsoever that Jodi was involved in that incident after he repeats his theory that Travis was shot first? Both these statements made by the lead detective in the case on national television directly conflict with the prosecution’s case as testified by Esteban Flores.
NO.
Is it because they already know who was responsible for the multiple tire slashing incidents and presenting that information might corroborate a story told to them by Arias in the past?
In her own words, Lisa Andrews Daidone began dating Travis Alexander in July 2007. According to the minutes filed from trial January 16th, the tire slashing incident was in December 2007, both Alexander and Andrew’s tires were slashed and the individual came to the front door . Martinez states Andrews will testify to these facts. Prior to dating Alexander, Daidone was dating a common friend and member of their Mormon ward- Steve Bell. Arias claims she and Travis began dating February 2, 2007.
Daidone will not go into how she and Travis began dating, or why, but there is a Steve Bell connected to this group that has had some serious troubles with the law immediately preceding the break up, and many following.
Could the mystery stalker have been on her end and NOT Arias? If so, you can bet the defense will be bringing that issue into court next week and providing the jury with this eye opening gem- expected to cause further problems with the State’s theory.
That’s not all, unfortunately.
Thomas Brown, a former roommate of Travis Alexander in the home of his murder, was interviewed up to three times by Detective Flores whereby he told them that Jodi had open access to the home when he was around and the Arias he knew was completely shy and somewhat awkwardly withdrawn. He was having a hard time picturing her do this without help and he told cops that.
He also told them something about Travis being shocked to get the call that Jodi Arias was standing outside the home the early morning hours of June 4, 2008 and that he had been up all night performing some sort of protection rite. Brown’s information was not included in any information given to the defense and he was not even aware his name came up in the investigation by Jodi Arias herself. I would expect that issue to surface promptly as well.
Gus Searcy, $100K ring earner for Prepaid Legal Services and now Legal Shield was noticed to be available this week for interview. Travis was scheduled to be on the conference call with Searcy at 6:45PM the evening of his murder.
Artful Dodging
While the trial is in hiatus, one are of Jodi Arias’s life is quite active and well, pecuniary.
Arias, through her family, has taken to EBay to sell her personally rendered offerings the macabre set is snatching up for a few hundred clams a piece during the trial.
It is believed to be managed by Arias’s mother Sandy, who uploaded images to Arias’s MySpace after her incarceration to include one of Gary Alexander- Travis’s older brother.
The defense portion of the Jodi Arias trial for the murder of Travis Alexander led by Kirk Nurmi and Jennifer Willmott will begin its case January 29th.
Check back to blinkoncrime.com for updates.
Jacqueline Beaufort, contributing editor
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Rose
I have to agree with you regarding Jodi’s behavior about sex during her teen years. This is probably why she was being grounded by her father till she was 18. He was doing his best to control the utter lack of values in his daughter by keeping her away from opportunities to mix with guys. Unfortunately it didn’t work.
I could just see Jodi attacking her father during that narative and he pushing her away so hard that she fell to the floor. He should have grabbed her in a big bear hug and held her feet off the floor until she calmed down and then still holding her telling her in a calm but firm voice why he was doing the grounding.
I was listening to some of the “sex tape” played this week at trial and was disturbed by many things. Most notably, for me anyway, was the fact that Arias somehow found her way to make mention of the Alanis Morisette song entitled ‘You Oughta Know’. She actually sings a line or two of it to Travis Alexander. Keep in mind that this “sex tape” was recorded just 2 weeks prior to his murder.
For those that may be unfamiliar with the song, it is somewhat of a “hate anthem” (my opinion, anyway) for any woman who feels betrayed/ used/duped, etc. by a man after a break up. If you listen to the song by the original artist, you can feel the raw emotion of hate in every fiber of the artist’s being, even if you may not be able to make out every word. Read the lyrics and you get a full picture of everything that is running through her head.
When i put the lyrics side by side with what i’ve learned thus far in this trial, it aligns perfectly with Arias’ perception of “reality”. At one point in her interview with Flores, she mentions that she thought that Travis had met the girl he was going to marry (Mimi Hall), and that it wasn’t until “after” (i can only assume that she meant “after” she killed him) that she found out from the bishop that Mimi “rejected him” (oh poor Jodi…had you only known that BEFORE you killed him, you might still have had a chance with him).
If i didn’t know any better, I’d swear the entire song was written by JA herself.
Blink, is it ok that I provided a link to the lyrics? If it does not meet the terms of your site, please delete it.
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/alanismorissette/yououghtaknow.html
P.S. Survivor, i think you are amazing!
Pale Rider,
You are right. She didn’t even cover his body. That hadn’t occurred to me.
During her first story when she was saying she loved Travis, she would never hurt Travis, I believed her at least on that part! But now that she’s lying about him and trying to destroy his reputation, when you point that out it makes sense. She didn’t even love him.
Rose,
It’s true, Jodi didn’t finish high school even in the 10 years after she left her parents’ home. And Jodi’s version of her story is one-sided, just like her Travis story. So who knows what went on. She didn’t seem like a murderer during those years though. She may have been wild, but she seemed to care for people, and considering she didn’t have a high school diploma, I thought she made SOME smart choices and plans.
Blink suggested a book about psychopathy a long time ago, by Dr. Robert Hare. I haven’t read the whole thing yet, but I looked up Dr. Hare’s thinking on psychopaths/sociopaths again tonight.
“More apt to view antisocial behavior as arising from social conflicts, sociologists typically prefer the term sociopath. Whereas, psychologists use the term psychopathy to describe a psychological disorder that is the product of a combination of psychological, biological, genetic and environmental factors (Hare 1999).”
So now I think Jodi is a sociopath (nurture, not nature). That the conditions in her life and the choices she made brewed up this affliction in her (NOT blaming her parents or grandparents).
Rose, I’ve been using the wrong term. Sorry!
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Survivor,
I’m new to the BOC site, but I wanted you to know that I read your comment to ATG, and I am in your corner, praying for you and your kids that you have many good, peaceful, and joyful times now and for all the days in the future. And you are so right about Jodi Arias.
@SOTT
My gosh reading that song gave me the creeps
Thanks for posting the words
They just playing Jodi over and over and I feel more fed up with her stories each time
The first time I didn’t notice a lot of her ways but after a few times it seems she has no feelings at all
About Travis or anyone else
Hi,
I’m not sure if this has already been posted, but in regards to Gus Searcy’s assertion that JA called him at 3:30am the night of/after TA was killed (and JA’s whereabouts, cellphone records, etc.) apparently JA actually called him at 3:30am after TA’s body was DISCOVERED, being June 9 or 10, and not June 4 or 5. I don’t remember who contacted JA to let her know that TA died (Dan Freeman, perhaps?), but it was after THAT that she called Gus, and I believe her friend Leslie Udy as well.
Perhaps Gus is mistaken about the day TA was actually murdered, or he knows and has just been trying to get a bit of attention from making a claim that might make a great sound-bite, but is factually wrong. I believe that LE or the prosecutor’s office fully explored this and thus had no need to return his calls (as he claims) nor as a witness – his information seeming to be inconsequential or irrelevant.
I’m sorry that I can’t remember where exactly I read or saw this, but I believe it was on the Justice4Travis FB page (in a comments section) and also on Dr. Drew’s show, however it was brief.
Thanks!
Alisa
SOTT:
I agree with what you are saying regarding Alanis Morissette. I mentioned this very thing to someone, specifically the line
“And every time I scratch my nails
down someone else’s back I hope you feel it… well can you feel it”
and that is bc I had been curious of what appeared to be scratch marks on Travis’ back in the shower. In context I guess it may not make sense, but JA doesn’t make sense to me anyway. But, I think she relates to this artist and or song in some way. Makes you wonder if they played music while they’d romp in bed?
I saw “Safe Haven” yesterday and it left me feeling very unsettled. The irrational mind turns fear to anger, then rage. Rage is the catalyst for a crime this gruesome. There is no other explanation. Arias admitted that she killed Travis. Reasonable minds cannot conclude this was self-defense.
ATG and Mrs, may God bless you tenfold. Thank you for believing in her and giving her safe haven.
Survivor, we are honored by your story of strength and conviction. Thank you for sharing your heart with us.
I am humbled by you all.
Jden
Thanks for your comments. And I too am proud of what Survivor was able to do. The best anyone can do is to remove themselves from such a situation. If only more women could recognize that such a situation will never get better and be successful in getting away from it.
Joan T
The line between what society calls normal and abnormal behavior is so indistinct that most do not recognize what is happening until a major event occurs. Like most things, there are multiple paths to them.
I once thought that the behavior we call sociopathy was simply a gene gone wrong. Then I began to look at family situations and found that it seemed to contribute a major function towards that behavior. Now I think it is both a gene and environment. The gene is there and may lie dormant for a long,long time. When an environment presents an opportunity to allow the gene to do its thing, then we have this abnormal behavior.
Until we have the tools to look at genetic makeup over a large segment of population and compare that to behaviors in families and social interactions, we cannot know enough to help prevent this disease and those like them.
I hesitate to shift into psychology mode, but whenever we encounter someone like the C-word or Jodi Arias, we fall back on sociopath and psychopath as descriptive (rather than diagnostic) terms for someone who steps over that forbidden line to commit unthinkable acts. I have been as guilty as the next guy, but you won’t find either of those categories in the DSM-IV-TR; instead they fall as descriptions under Antisocial Personality Disorder. Trying to make a distinction between socio- and psycho-paths is a waste of time because there really isn’t a definition for either.
Most of us would agree that those we label as sociopaths or psychopaths display a lack of empathy, a disregard for (or oblivion to) the needs or feelings of others, disdain or lack of regard for social mores, taboos, laws; amoral (an absence of morals rather than a presence of immorality), self-serving, narcissistic, cruel, and so on.
I found a Psychology Today article that proposes Embitterment as one of the anger disorders and is being considered for inclusion in the DSM-V. Mental images of Jodi Arias pop all over my brain when reading about this type and degree of anger. “These are, without exception, profoundly embittered, resentful, angry and narcissistically wounded individuals. Violent antisocial offenders are mainly made, not born.”
I believe the links below are very helpful and relevant to explaining Jodi Arias:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evil-deeds/200908/masks-sanity-part-four-what-is-psychopath?page=2
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evil-deeds/200906/anger-disorder-part-two-can-bitterness-become-mental-disorder
Blink, hope it’s okay to include these links.
Borderlines keep “systems” in turmoil.
Imo in part what her days of testimony have been all about.
Elizabeth is right; correct term is Antisocial PD.
But so much is imo Borderline: body image, blonde hair,
clothing & provocative manner, serial men, etc.
drugs/alcohol must be there somewhere.
JMHO…..
I’m hesitant to assess the killer’s state of mind since proper diagnosis hasn’t really taken place and/or hasn’t been offered. I have an uncle who’s bi polar. Jodi doesn’t show the text book traits of this particular mental illness, imho. However, the disease itself is so complex, it can affect different characters and personalities quite adversely. In other words, 2 people with the same mental illness may not exhibit the same symptoms or behave in likeness to one another.
Everyone’s in a rush to put a label on her state of mind. I get that! I’m interested in the psychology of people who do things a healthy minded person wouldn’t do. Jodi appears to know right from wrong. That’s the most important quality to establish. I just want to share with BOC that when it comes to mental illness, psyco/sociopathy, depression, bi polar, etc, it isn’t always a clear and straight path to diagnosis. Many who suffer, go years without having an exact diagnosis b/c the symptoms and the signs don’t always correspond with a specific illness….OR….it may correspond with more than one kind of illness.
This is clearly a case about nature vs. nurture. What’s the ratio? We may never know the answer to that.
I am curious, if and when, to learn what the professionals have concluded (have we learned if they’ll be brought to the stand?). They’ve had about 3 years to work with her, assess her and hopefully come to a diagnosis. Again, if more than one professional was involved with treating Jodi, and they all testify, you will hear different opinions.
None of us are qualified pros when it comes to labeling Jodi. My opinions are based on life experience and having severe depression compounded by anxiety (social and panic attacks). We’re designed to want answers to questions! I’m no different in that regard. A lot of our questions will go unanswered. I just know, from personal experience, this is not an exact science. Her past is a crucial part of her state of mind. We only know what she’s shared. Is it the truth? I think it’s fair to say, she is not mentally stable, at least weeks prior to Travis death. I also believe, Travis wasn’t stable minded but we have insight to his upbringing. It goes as no surprise he would have deep seeded issues that haven’t been dealt with, acknowledged or treated. These were 2 broken people came together and brought out the worst. They did not build each other up which is consistent in a healthy relationship. Healthy relationships should make us better people, not bitter. There was nothing healthy about their relationship w/ each other. No respect. No trust. Personal issues. It could simply be the coming together of these 2 people was enough to create the scenario that ended Travis’ life. They both hit their emotional ceilings, which seemed to hang very low for both.
I hope this makes sense. I know what I mean as I type and it’s not until long after I hit send, I re-read and post and think…what da…what was that aboot? <—- for friendLY.
I encourage anyone to ask me for clarification if needed. I love second chances if my first attempt wasn't successful.
Love and light to all of you! Have a beautiful, God blessed w/e! xo
PS…
I missed something I wanted to touch on.
There is evil in this world. Evil walks among us. We can’t see it. We can’t feel it. It makes us vulnerable to the enemy. He is capable of planting seeds in our minds. We are given the right to protect ourselves from his attacks, but not everyone has a relationship with God. Not everyone knows what their rights are as a child of God. We can bind the enemy and neutralize his attacks.
I’m not trying to be evangelistic but rather, offer another perspective that most definitely is at play wrt Travis’ murder. The enemy saw an opening; an easy target in the relationship between Travis and Jodi. He took full advantage. In fact, he and his diminions are at work 24/7 because they truly have nothing better to do and nothing to lose. The enemy knows us as well as our heavenly Father, as he has had an existence as long as creation, to watch and observe all of us.
He was cast out of heaven b/c he thought he should be God. There’s one problem. God is the only one who is all knowing. When one decides to walk with the Lord, he will anti and try harder to win over the ones who want to please the Lord. Travis was such a person. He came from a life where evil was rampant. He came into faith, was baptised and trying very hard to serve the Lord. To put it bluntly, this would piss the enemy off to kingdom come (heh…I love that God can LOL @ this). He had Travis, then lost him. Jodi was no accident. She was just what the enemy ordered to side track Travis and tempt him with the most severe of sins….pre marital sex. The spiritual elements attached to this sin, are the kind that spread, like STD’s and viruses. Whomever Jodi slept with, so did Travis, so to speak. Pre marital sex spreads the filthy sliminess of the enemy. God has a plan for all of us. When we don’t follow His instruction, He cannot intervene. We can all look at our lives, with hindsight and understand when we fell off the path, that’s where the darkness came from. The hurt, the pain, not to mention the physical and spiritual damage to our hearts and souls.
Travis and Jodi are examples of how this filth made its way into their relationship. This was the work of pure evil, even if mental illness is in play.
This is just my humble opinion and not meant to be used to judge or condemn. I’m a sinner. I’m grateful to be born again everyday and washed in the blood of the Lamb. I’ll always take every opportunity to proclaim my faith in the Lord and sing His praises, because it’s righteous and holy to praise Him often.
Thank the Lord for BOC and all contributors. I thank the Lord for each and every one of you!
Posted with love and respect xo xo xo
~AMEN~
I meant minions…not diminions. However, his evil proganda is a dominion, in his feeble, aphid sized mind. He HATES to be shamed
My humble and peaceful opinion.
@ Jden says:
February 16, 2013 at 10:25 am
Hi there!
I completely agree with your statement. Rage is a state that minimizes our ability to utilize self control. God tells us to be slow to anger. We say and do things, in anger, that we wouldn’t do in a more settled, control state of being. Anger also festers. It can be over lifetime or it can be in weeks. I think (I use the term ‘think’ loosely
)… Jodi’s anger festered swiftly. It may explain why there was little care or precision in hiding her guilt. She tried to conceal what she could, but anger didn’t allow her to have any kind of clarity about covering her trail completely. She demonstrated in some instances, great attempts to cover up. It doesn’t appear, at face value, this was pre med. This doesn’t ‘look’ planned. If it was, it was, it done so in haste, which lends reason to her sloppiness in concealment. Too many mistakes. However, there is no time limit on pre med, if I’m not mistaken. IF she made a decision a minute before attacking him….would that not be considered pre med? Does it need to grow over a period of time to be considered pre med? She knew that day, for sure, he was going to die.
I just watched an interesting Dateline the other night. Without getting into the story, the defense’s opening statement to the jury was….’facts are the enemy of the truth’. I thought it was an extremely provocative statement….which could work for both pros and defense. I took it to mean that there are always tiny details that can’t be seen by the human eye (matter of speaking). In this case, I’m specifically referring to particular feelings Jodi was experiencing the day Travis died. Personally, I believe there are such details that prove she planned to kill Travis, whether it was 2 weeks before, hours before or mintues. She made the decision to kill him. Bottom line….she had enough time to make the decision to kill Travis. It wasn’t spontaneous.
Off topic….is it me or does JVM read here? I swear she has quoted posts, almost verbatim. I’ve noticed this several times. IF so, it goes to show y’all are doing a GREAT job in evaluating these complex cases. Round of applause for y’all! WOOT WOOT! WHISTLE!
Sorry for the gaggle of posts. I guess I have a lot on my mind.
@ A Texas Grandfather says:
February 15, 2013 at 9:14 pm
I do agree with ATG…she doesn’t exhibit typical signs of being bi-polar. If she is, then she is definitely medicated. (I loathe being hypocritical, but I’m foaming at the mouth here….)….
ADD OR ADHD….I’m not so sure sure about, either. She’s quite clear and concise with her verbal skills. She’s not random or jumping from subject to subject. She’s not interrupting or cutting off the line of questioning. Actually, she demonstrates intelligence and a better than decent range of vocabulary. Creature Anthony has this skill, too. I’ve been taken back by thing #1 and thing #2′s (no particular order) effective communication skills (leaning towards verbiage). Then again….Jodi may be atypical when it comes to any kind of mental disorder. There’s nothing typical about any disorder when it comes to the human mind. Like I mentioned in a previous post, mental disorders/illnesses are all intricately complex as the brain, itself.
Lucky for y’all….hubby is calling. The house cleaning awaits!
Taa taa for now. xo xo xo
Dear Texas Grandfather,
All i can think to say is that you and Mrs.Texas Grandfather are two beautiful souls operating on this earth as one. Beautiful.
Thank you ATG and Elizabeth for the clarification on making sense of Jodi A. using the psychopath or sociopath terms. It does seem that Jodi maybe had an Embitterment disorder, but then her nonchalance about it does seem sociopathic to an extreme. I do think she’s happy that Travis is dead. That if she could go back in time, she would do it again. I see a satisfaction on her face sometimes and an anger sometimes, like she’s STILL angry at him. I don’t think she’s a psychopath, not like someone like Austin Sigg who seems to be truly a psychopath, there’s no other word for him. But Jodi doesn’t fit into any exact definition.
I think Jodi wasn’t always this way, and after extreme stress (in her mind) she became over the top embittered and some odd gene just kicked in, as you said ATG.
It seems very unnatural to me that this could happen to a WOMAN. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a woman committing such a violent crime. But she did! She really is an odd one.
It will be interesting to see her having to relive the murder on the stand. I think we’ll see the truth despite her acting. We’ll be able to figure her out! And the jury will too!
Ragdoll- My dearest Boc friend-
I know you wrote that you had not listened to the entire tape.
If you had, you would have heard Travis speak of other women he was with- perhaps not to the same exact extent as he knew Jodi but he spoke of oral and of lube etc.
I agree this relationship was not healthy and I agree both were struggling with some pretty big issues.
I also agree that whatever was going on in their relationship
Jodi chose of her own free will to brutally kill him.
I do not think Travis’ murder was a punishment from God nor do i think the Devil was controlling Jodi’s hand-
Dear Ragdoll, I can tell how much you value your faith and that is good-
please take this in the spirit in which I am offering it-
as Just a different way of looking at the issue that may shed a different light on things.
You wrote:
He had Travis, then lost him. Jodi was no accident. She was just what the enemy ordered to side track Travis and tempt him with the most severe of sins….pre marital sex.
The spiritual elements attached to this sin, are the kind that spread, like STD’s and viruses. Whomever Jodi slept with, so did Travis, so to speak. Pre marital sex spreads the filthy sliminess of the enemy. God has a plan for all of us. When we don’t follow His instruction, He cannot intervene. We can all look at our lives, with hindsight and understand when we fell off the path, that’s where the darkness came from. The hurt, the pain, not to mention the physical and spiritual damage to our hearts and souls.
Travis and Jodi are examples of how this filth made its way into their relationship. This was the work of pure evil, even if mental illness is in play.
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Ragdoll, My God does not punish in this way- he is all loving and forgiving-
Mary Magdelene was a sinner said to be a whore- Jesus Christ did not cast her asunder she was one of his closest followers – he did not define her by her previous life choices- he did not stone her or call her a slut or a temptress He called her “She who has loved so much.”
He saw the good in her. He was not judgmental He was kind and understanding and forgiving
Premarital sex is a sin… and God punishes us for this sin with STDs and and viruses…and I suppose Murder?
Many good and faithful long-lasting, loving relationships begin with premarital sex- many beautiful children of God are born from such couplings is that their punishment or the devils reward?
should we judge people so harshly for this sin should God?
Is it the Devil tempting us, are we are opening ourselves up to that evil?
Are you sure it is as easy as all that?
Well then I guess we should have had Mary The Mother of God Stoned as she was not married when the Angel of the Lord appeared to her and told her to expect the Holy Spirit… -
We should have at least called her a slut and a temptress and we should chalk up all the trials & tribulations of The Holy Family to Marys most “severe of sins, pre marital sex”? Did her son Jesus die because of her sin as part of her punishment for engaging in premarital sex?
She was with child and she was not married
◄ Matthew 1:18 ►
New International Version (©1984)
This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit.
Where is the proof that the Holy Spirit made her with child? Certainly the townspeople had no proof certainly Joseph had no proof-
The faith of a mustard seed and all that.
I suppose it could have been the biggest court case of that generation
“Mary to be Stoned says she is virgin – yet is with child
be sure to watch live stoning in towns square”
Just offering up a different perspective with the utmost respect and kindness
Thanks for letting me share my thoughts Ragdoll
Ajmo Peace
Eloise says:
February 16, 2013 at 8:57 am
SOTT:
I agree with what you are saying regarding Alanis Morissette. I mentioned this very thing to someone, specifically the line
“And every time I scratch my nails
down someone else’s back I hope you feel it… well can you feel it”
and that is bc I had been curious of what appeared to be scratch marks on Travis’ back in the shower. In context I guess it may not make sense, but JA doesn’t make sense to me anyway. But, I think she relates to this artist and or song in some way. Makes you wonder if they played music while they’d romp in bed?
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Eloise,
I, too, am curious about the ‘marks’ on Travis’ back in the shower photo and never considered what you have proposed…good call !!! And, wow! if it is, then ….just Wow!!! When I look at the photo, I’ve only had 2 possibilities in my head so far: 1. Beauty marks/freckles. 2. Blood spatter/drippings.
There is the other photo of him that has, what appears to be, a glob of blood on/near his ear lobe with blood running down his neck, but i can’t recall what order that photo falls in regarding the timeline of the shower photos and if it could be the cause of the ‘marks’ on the back.
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Malty,
The lyrics creep me out too. Seriously, it’s like she is the author.
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Ok, so there is something else mentioned on the ‘sex tape’ that doesn’t sit right with me: I apologize for it being graphic: At one point, Travis says : ‘I’m so glad we started F*****g’. Arias says ‘if it’s wrong, I don’t wamt to be right’. Then she says ‘ I ONLY WISH WE WERE DOING IT BEFORE’. Really ?!?! …..BEFORE?!? BEFORE WHAT/WHEN?!? Remember this was recorded 2 weeks before the murder.
Does anyone have any insight into this? With all the jumping around the defense is doing with their story telling, I’ve confused myself regarding the time line of the sexcapades, but listening to this recording and what was said, gives me the impression that the sex part is fairly new to their relationship.
Maybe i’m making more of this than there is, but if anyone can help me out here, i would greatly appreciate it.
Outstanding discussion as usual!
ATG, RDoll, Mom, JoanT, twitch, Jden, Rose, Eliz, Alisa, Eloise, SOTT, er al, you’ve all touched on my thoughts and feelings.
OMG that Alanis Morisette song!!! I missed where JA sang that to Travis. Wow that song is filled with rage. And rage I fully believe is at the heart of Travis’s murder!
What got her to that point is the unknown. I think nature and nurture is a good guess.
Her dad trying to control her in her late teens speaks volumes to me. Yes, she was perhaps a “wild child”. Perhaps sexually promiscuous. Skipping school? Drinking, drugs?
All these indicators point to psychopathy of some sort.
My mom and granddaughter are bi-polar, BPD and ADHD. I’m bi-polar and ADHD. These disorders are rampant on my mom’s side of the family.
The reason I question JA’s history is because of what I’ve read and heard and witnessed on the stand. Her voice in the sex tape was very animated to me. That’s one indicator of a bi-polar manic phase. I’ve witnessed them; I’ve had them.
I’ve also been through the depressed episodes, ranging from fatigue and sadness to suicidal thoughts/attempts. My GD tried twice last year. I thank God every day she got the wonderful help she did!!!!!
If JA is in a depressed state, and on trial, not a big stretch, that could account for a lack of vitality. So could medication. But, she could also just be following her counsel’s advice, staying low key.
A manic or depressed state can last for weeks. And a sufferer can be symptom free for long periods, even years. I’m luckier than my mom and granddaughter. Although on medication my symptoms are far less debilitating. My heart breaks for my GD as she’s only 15 and spent a good part of last year hospitalized.
As for JA exhibiting ADHD/ADD, her dropping out of HS could be an indicator. Certainly I can’t diagnose her. I’m just weighing in on my personal experiences. My heart goes out to those of you who suffer any form of these.
The BPD is in some ways the scariest. This is where the sudden rage can come from, as well as lack of remorse and narcissism. My GD’s doctor said most probably she experienced a fear of abandonment at a very early age. We’ve racked our brains as to what that was, but doc said it could have been very minor. Like going to daycare.
BPD can cause a lack of bonding with and lack of empathy for people. Again, IDK what turned JA into a monster. And there’s not likely a cure. At this point, sadly, just containment.
Ragdoll says:
February 16, 2013 at 3:53 pm
Off topic….is it me or does JVM read here? I swear she has quoted posts, almost verbatim. I’ve noticed this several times. IF so, it goes to show y’all are doing a GREAT job in evaluating these complex cases. Round of applause for y’all! WOOT WOOT!
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Ragdoll,
No, it’s not just you. Have wondered the same thing myself.
She does, as well as her producers.
B
SOTT,
I believe that the “before” she is referring to is the period during which they were engaging in oral and anal sex. I agree that the timeline is VERY confusing, with all of the jumping around the “testimony” has taken.
Speaking of which, I don’t believe that I have heard of any actual evidence of TA’s “cheating” on JA. It’s quite possible that I missed it, but it seems to me that aside from her claims that a friend or roommate of TA’s told her he was seeing other people, there really hasn’t been any testimony of this (i.e. which girl exactly was he dating during the time they were “official” as she insists on calling it?). My understanding is that they were “official” from about February to June of 2007. That is not the time during which he dated Marie Hall, nor Lisa Andrews, to my understanding. Does anybody know the dates of his relationship with Deanna Reid?
Thanks,
Alisa
@SCOTT
SCOTT: Ok, so there is something else mentioned on the ‘sex tape’ that doesn’t sit right with me: I apologize for it being graphic: At one point, Travis says : ‘I’m so glad we started F*****g’. Arias says ‘if it’s wrong, I don’t wamt to be right’. Then she says ‘ I ONLY WISH WE WERE DOING IT BEFORE’. Really ?!?! …..BEFORE?!? BEFORE WHAT/WHEN?!? Remember this was recorded 2 weeks before the murder.
Good point…the only thing I can come up with is 1.) She was lying about when the sex started and it was fairly recent based on what was said on the call or 2.) They are referring to vaginal sex as I don’t think they had been doing that for very long
Definitely a good point and something the prosecution should try to get her to clarify.
@ Mom3.0
Please re read my post. You will see it was posted with a heart to not judge or condemn. Their behaviour was not Godly. That is my position and I apologize if it came across in any other way that was NOT intended.
I’m a sinner. When God say, love thy neighbour, He meant it. This why I posted that we need to be cautious about labeling mood/mental disorders. I also believe I stated this was 2 consenting adults. Of course God loves them, both. I’m familiar with scripture and I always pray that the Lord shows me what He wants me to take from the book of truth.
God talks to you much differently than He talks to me, Mom3.0. We are at different places in our journey and our relationship will look much different, but the bottom line is…..we both love and honour Him.
I ask that you re-read my posts and ask God for counsel, to show you my heart in those comments. I know you will see something different. You may still come away, with a different opinion. I respect that. It’s my heart that I need you to see and I believe God will show you the truth within my post.
Psalm 19:9-11
The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring forever; the rules of the Lord are true, and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, even much fine gold; sweeter also than honey and drippings of the honeycomb. Moreover, by them is your servant warned; in keeping them there is great reward.
Psalm 37:27-29
Turn away from evil and do good; so shall you dwell forever. For the Lord loves justice; he will not forsake his saints. They are preserved forever, but the children of the wicked shall be cut off. The righteous shall inherit the land and dwell upon it forever.
2 Thessalonians 1:6
God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you
Ecclesiastes 12:14
For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil.”
If not anything, God knows my heart and that is more than sufficient for me xo xo xo
I will make this my last post on this subject as I do not wish to invite dissension or controversy. My faith doesn’t need to be argued or defended. I’m whole in Christ’s love BECAUSE He loved me first. I’m already validated because I’m washed in His blood and born again, every day. My intent is to align my will with His. I won’t always be successful, but it’s my heart’s desire to serve Him and only Him. I thank God for you, Mom3.0. I hope you, too, will understand.
Posted in the spirit of my Lord and Saviour. xo xo xo
I would like to add….in truth, I’m not pro death penalty. Jodi is not a trollop. Her behaviour was. Travis participated, willingly, despite his faith.
I wish for God’s justice. God tells us not to lean on our own understanding. I NEEDED those words when Anthony was set free.
Proverbs 3:5-6
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;
6 in all your ways submit to him,
and he will make your paths straight.
This is, fundamentally, where I’m at in my journey. Mary Magdalene is a GREAT example of forgivenes, but, she sought forgivenessrepented and showed an unwaivering faith when she washed the feet of Jesus.
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“Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven,” LUK 7:47-48.
Think about Mary Magdalene; she was possessed of seven devils, but when she was renewed in the spirit of her mind, she received the forgiveness of her sins, as she walked in the law of love. Salvation to so many people means they are going to heaven to escape hell. Do you realize that forgiveness of sins is not to be even preached to a person who has not repented. The gospel begins with “Repent.” How can sins we are still living in be forgiven when there is no desire to change? Those sins are still cherished. Repent as the first word of the gospel must come before forgiveness.
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http://www.gospelchapel.com/Devotion/John/17.htm
Jodi needs to be forthright with God, not us. That is between her and our Abba Father Daddy. xo xo xo
I you dear heart, Mom3.0. I love that you came to me in the spirit of God. I am thankful for you and for your courage to express yourself, to me, in a loving, thoughtful, Christ like way.
God bless you, my dear dear, sweet friend.
Forgive me for not expressing this much earlier.
@ SOTT says:
February 17, 2013 at 2:57 pm
Ahhhhh! Thank you for acknowledging and responding, dear friendy.
I don’t usually get through an entire JVM episode, or any other coverage for that matter. I do catch her making comments that I SWORE I just read on BOC. Not a bad thing. In fact, I find it admirable that JVM utilizes social media and gives great consideration to grassroots opinions(I can’t think of a better term….LOL). There are some smart cookies hanging out here
LOVE TO THE ANIMALS, JANE! They have a special place in my heart, too.
Pale rider says:
February 17, 2013 at 12:19 pm
Back at ya, sweet friendy! You’re a fundamental contributor, yourself. Pat yourself on the back, toots! xo xo xo
@ Ragdoll: thank you for those beautiful proverbs and psalms and for the reminder .
Dr Drew will be speaking with former Arias lovers tonight at 9Est
SOTT says:
February 17, 2013 at 2:57 pm
Ragdoll says:
February 16, 2013 at 3:53 pm
Off topic….is it me or does JVM read here? I swear she has quoted posts, almost verbatim. I’ve noticed this several times. IF so, it goes to show y’all are doing a GREAT job in evaluating these complex cases. Round of applause for y’all! WOOT WOOT!
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Ragdoll,
No, it’s not just you. Have wondered the same thing myself.
She does, as well as her producers.
B
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Now I’m completely tongue-tied.
I have to admit that I can’t always watch the trial, but when I have a chance, I try to catch up. Her lawyer is jumping around a lot – agreed – irt NOT following a consecutive timeline. How is the jury supposed to build up to a CRESCENDO of abuse – that supposedly led JA to commit an act of self-defense against TA – if Nurmi keeps scattering the chronological time sequences back and forth and back again? One cannot fully grasp the nature of the supposed fear she felt. At least I can’t grasp it. He takes you there and then takes you back to a ‘safe’ place that has no particular relevance in the grand scheme of this defense. At least this is how I feel. Perhaps this is a strategy of some sort. I just don’t see how we’re supposed to feel the absolute panic of her situation.
SOTT
Thank you for your kind words regarding me and my life helpmate. We did not arrive at this type of behavior without some value guidelines.
We were children during the great depression. There were no organized government related agencies during that time. People through their love of others and the churches helped those in need. Sometimes it was food and clothing. Sometimes it was shelter and a gift of money. At other times it was a long term commitment to acomplish care and protection.
Once you know the joy of being truly helpful to a fellow human, it is not difficult to continue. Service to others without thinking of a particular reward for yourself is IMO following the teachings of most relegions.
All of what is said on the stand with JA is to gain sympathy from the jury. It’s all smoke and mirrors and meant to confused and obscure the real point “that Travis was brutally murdered”…something the Defendant hasnt discussed or explained. Her defense team is hoping to humanize her so someone on that jury wont let her get the death penalty.
Godwin believes it was Alexander’s rejection of Arias that led her to take his life in such brutal fashion.
“The narcissistic side [of] Jodi’s personality exploded when it became evident that her sexually [sic] and emotional tricks had indeed failed when she found out that Travis was dating other women,” Godwin said. “To a narcissistic psychopathic person like Jodi, who sold her soul performing forbidden intimate sex acts, her perceived rejection by Travis dealt a blow to her entire reason for living. The only option was to hurt the person who harmed her so much.”
http://usecmagazine.usecnetwork.com/usa/?p=56270
@ Löni says:
February 18, 2013 at 5:16 am
Bless your heart, dear dear friendy. Thank you for your encouraging, uplifting words. xo xo xo
@ Ragdoll:
Thank you for your lovely post.
NG is playing more of the sex tapes Jodi saying any thing he wants to do is ok with her
Makes me wonder if the rough stuff wasn’t ok also
I am beginning to think that JA was an experimenter. She was willing to live outside the norms of behavior to experience things.
where and when did this behavior begin? Probably as an early teen. She chose not to follow the rules in her home and sliped away over a period of weeks to spend time in a home with a teen boy where the parents were smokers and dopers. No parental oversight so whatever the little inexperienced teen mind could entertain was tried.
Her parents were in the resturant business so she could wait tables for a living. In a good high traffic resturant, there can be some good money to be made from tips. She learned to live by her wits and made herself into whatever was required to meet her goals.
All of the traveling back and forth between Northern and Southern California and over to Arizona cost money. She had to have transportation of some sort although it is not clear from the rambling story being told on the witness stand just how that was accomplished.
Something triggered her rage towards TA to kill him as she did. This was planned over a period of time. Maybe when the defense finally allows the story to reach the day of the murder, we will learn what it was.
DearRagdoll,
I am very sorry if my post offended you in any way
I would not question your faith nor your journey nor your knowledge of scripture.
The Ragdoll that I have come to know and respect is not judgmental nor does she condemn- no need to reread my friend-
If something I wrote made you think I questioned your heart- then I do deeply apologize.
Thank you for sharing those verses with me Ragdoll
I appreciate your sharing your thoughts thru them
You went on to say:
Do you realize that forgiveness of sins is not to be even preached to a person who has not repented. The gospel begins with “Repent.” How can sins we are still living in be forgiven when there is no desire to change? Those sins are still cherished. Repent as the first word of the gospel must come before forgiveness.
Ragdoll, you asked
How can sins we are still living in be forgiven when there is no desire to change?
if i may i will share how I think this could be:
Matthew 5:44-45 says, “But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.” Thus, now go on your knees and pray for the person who has hurt you.
Matthew 18:22, “Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?” Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.” Thus, each time the person hurts you, take it to the Lord and forgive, because this is what the Lord expects of you.
Colossians 3:13
“Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.”
Ephesians 4:32
“And be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.”
John 20:22-23
“If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”
“In this is love, not that we loved God but that he loved us and sent his son to be the expiation for our sins” (1 Jn. 4:10).
Maccabees 12:45-46
Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin. Maccabees 12:45-46
I think Repentance isnt necessarily the key but perhaps forgiveness is- To me That is the Whole story behind Jesus’ life and death-
Cont
AJMO peace
Hi ragdoll. me again you made some very important points regarding Mary Madelene thank you-
Yes she was a penitent woman, but she isnt the only “unGodly” woman Jesus “ Saved”
–Gospel of John
8:2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8:8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
8:9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
Jesus saved this adulterer not by her willingness to repent but by his willingness to forgive and He reminded us all that we are all sinners- and have free will to go forth and sin no more…
Ragdoll, thank you for sharing your journey with me-
Faith is a very personal- we each take something different from our journey and the Scriptures- I am only offering up a different perspective not condemning yours-
I think our discussion is very important to this case because i do believe that Jodi Arias is using God and the Mormon faith to attack Travis even in death
She is using it to help along her “victimhood” she is using it to further her claim of “self defense”
She has already testified that she was monogamous that she was doing what she thought was right because it was Travis who led her astray with lies of the laws even on her baptismal day..
Oral is okay
anal is okay
while sleeping it doesnt count
If its in water “it doesnt count”
People seem to think her lack of emotions means she is a Sociopath etc and that may be
She shows no emotion no empathy- i agree i wonder if this this is because she has convinced herself that she was doing the work of her God by killing Travis –
She wasnt “harming” him she was Helping him
In the 48 hours special alot of what she said seems to play into this too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HelfB6s-Raw
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1725 We both know we needed to correct our behavior for spiritual reasons but neither of us we both lacked the discipline to do it…. (so she had to end His life to break free of the sin and in doing so she Saved him?)
1755 the only way it was gonna change is if we physically separated
49:20
I didnt harm Travis…yes I will be held accountable for the other activities (not Murder? No because it wasnt murder it was atonement /correction)… that we engaged in and the other things i have done but when i stand before that day when i am judged for all the things I have done theres a really a deep sense of comfort to know that ultimately its Gods opinion that counts Ultimately its His justice system that nobody can escape and He knows and I know and Travis knows
I think this is evidence that
She feels justified in killing him And she feels she has the law and her faith and her interpretation of the scriptures to back it up
Travis sadly wont be remembered solely by his accomplishments by his kindnesses by his faith
he will be remembered for his struggles
She wants him to be remembered for His sins-
He has become a caution tale to teach the Law of Chasity- there are that feel his death is the ultimate blood atonement- and in their way understand why Jodi “saved” him
And still there are those that seek to make sense of his death and thru striving to understand come to feel like God must have “Let it happen” in His divine wisdom so
This could be used to bring those struggling with his laws back into the fold-
And this I think is what Jodi feels is her greatest accomplishment-
They will always be together there is no remembering Travis without Jodi there is no remembering Travis without Sin
She belongs to him even in death
Thanks again Dearest Ragdoll for having this most important conversation with me –
I appreciate your heart and your thoughts-
AJMO Peace
How sad is the day when a woman uses sex to validate herself?
Two people having adventurous sex, IMO, is quite okay. I don’t think the defense is showing proof that she was abused. I think they are showing that she believed sex was her biggest asset to bring to a relationship.
Obviously Travis felt that way as well. And when she finally figured out that was his way of thinking, as if it was a revelation to her, she killed him.
She couldn’t handle the truth.
It has been a very long time since posting here, but this is the best place I know to speak you mind, and I must.
I am sooooo very angry that they would allow this “sex tape ” to be played in it’s entirety for not just the jurors but the entire freakin world. It is all over the internet and any media outlet you look at.
This young man was brutally murdered by a sick sociopath, who not only obliterates his body, but has the audacity to tape this conversation and it is admissible in court. Travis cannot speak for himself, his parents must listen to this side of their son they would never have known, and the rest of us ( although by choice) can peer into the sex lives of a young couple as if peeping toms. It is the most disgusting miscarriage of justice I have ever seen.
Is it not illegal to present a taped “private” conversation when both parties have not given consent, and one party was unaware of it existing.
Perhaps Blink or someone can tell me why this tape is admissible IN IT’S ENTIRETY. I did not have to listen to the hour tape to get the point– this must have seemed like day’s of torture for everyone involved. How sick and voyeuristic a society have we become.
My heart breaks for the parents of THE VICTIM, lest we forget who is the victim here.
Depends on the state, if it is a one way consent state, which Arizona IS.
That means only one party (that includes Jodi) needs to be noticed or consent to the recording.
The reason it needed to be played in it’s entirety is you can’t limit the testimony (or prove it has not been altered to affect the defense or prejudice either side) without doing so.
There is no voyeurism here, this is our system of jurisprudence and I have to say that Judge Stephens runs quite the tight ship in Phoenix. Travis was absolutely the victim here, but he also continued to engage in this type of activity with a woman he openly stated already breached his trust- why in the world he would not ASSUME she was capable of that (if he in fact did not know) I have no idea.
B
In session is playing the interrogation this morning. She mentions to the detective her stupid phone is dead. I think she let’s her phone die on purpose thinking her where abouts
Will not be able to be detected. Am I wrong in thinking a cell phone can still be detected whether charged or not.
All my BOC friends – It was a busy long weekend and I’m sorry that I can only just now respond. Thank you for all of your kind words, thoughts and prayers. You are a loving group! ATG – Blessings to you and the Mrs. for helping in that situation. Escape would have been much more difficult for me had I not had outside help. Y’all are angels on earth! It was all a long time ago and healing came through the Grace of God, my family and an amazing therapist. It will never be completely gone and there are moments which catch me off-guard. In some of those moments in order to “shake it off” and move on, I have to rely on therapeutic lessons learned. (Actually I think sometimes that IS the reason some things happen – to get my attention and get back on track.) Being able to draw on the outcome of my experiences makes me a better mom and self. So while I would NEVER want to go through any of that again, I am a better person for it. I know that will be very hard to comprehend for some but I can’t explain it any better than that.
But, the topic is Travis and that is why I shared my story. If he abused JA in some way (real or imagined and I don’t believe he did), there was a legal route of judicial punishment. She never made that call. As horrible as my ex was, he was still a father and I did not want to be responsible for his death. Travis was murdered in cold blood and I do believe it was a rage killing that built over time.
I could have gone the rest of my life without hearing that tape which I listened to this morning. ICK! What I hear is a woman who thinks she is in love with someone who isn’t in love with her. She brings up several times various things that tip toe around the subject – finding a husband like him, the songs, etc. She eagerly accepts all of the compliments regarding her abilities and physical attributes. Her opinion also changes on minor things where their opinions differ. She’s fishing for the emotional attachment and he never bites. He avoided the subject completely. I’m sure she felt rejected and only good enough for sex. His blog post made his expectations clear. Yet unrequited love is still not an excuse for brutal murder – and it’s certainly not self-defense.
I hope the prosecutor can package all of this for the jury to cut through the sympathy vote and keep this focused on Travis.
AJMO
Myers
Cell phones cannot be detected if there is zero energy to drive the radio for transmit or recieve. If the battery is dead or removed it is just the same as a flashlight with dead or missing batteries.
The only tracking that could be done is to search for the last cell tower that it registered the phone id prior to going dead.
@ Mom3.0
You said it all so eloquently, I can’t possibly add anything that would enrich this experience. Thank you for feeling and expressing what I felt…..it WAS INDEED an important conversation regarding this case. Not many will recognize that, but that’s ok! I knew I was taking a leap of faith with my posts. I expected they wouldn’t be popular with everyone. When I think of Jesus and His ministry, he experienced rejected, heckling, bullying, depression, fear, abandonment, condemnation, judgement, alienation….you name it! So, I knew that I was putting myself in a place where some would agree, some wouldn’t and some wouldn’t care. I just thank you for seeing my heart, as I see yours. I KNOW we share something very precious and that’s our faith. I cherish your words, your insight and your relationship with God.
Again, I thank God for you and your courage to speak up! God loves a good faith challenge between His children.
He’s my God!… NO! He’s MY God! HE’S MINE! NOOOOO…HE’S MINE!
He is so worth fighting over and for. We both love Him enough to talk about Him, with passion from the heart. I couldn’t possibly regret that kind of exchange with you.
God bless your heart, your faith and your fire! I’ve always loved your scrapiness, Mom3.0. It’s part of who you are and I love the snot out of you! LOL
Love Love Love xo xo xo
As for the case, I’m putting the trial on mute. I’m coming here to read as there is no angry or stress in reading @ BOC. It’s just not worth being angry over.
((((GROUP HUGS))))
Thank you Blink for explaining Arizona Law on “one way consent”.
I lived in Arizona for 10 years and never knew that, but then I would have no reason to , I guess. I do not see how this can be fair, but hey, it is what it is.
I understand a tape having to be played in it’s entirety for context purposes, but why was it even admissible–what is the relevance to the case. What did they hope to accomplish?
I also understand that this is our system of jurisprudence, but I cannot for the life of me understand why it has to be broadcast to the outside world as if it were on a Football stadium BIG SCREEN, really?
What did hearing that tape prove?
@ Lyn says:
February 18, 2013 at 7:05 pm
I thank God for you and your expression of love, towards me! You are so so precious xo xo xo
Who is “Sam” she referred to during this mornings testimony? She was talking about how Travis reacted about her talking to/dating Abe and Sam….first time I have heard mention of a Sam…I thought John Dixon was the other guy besides Abe between Travis Ryan in the timeline?