Jodi Arias Trial: New Witnesses May Reveal Defense Strategy- Prosecution Omissions
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Phoenix, AZ- In a terse exchange prior to the hiatus in the Arias trial, the defense repeated their contention that they want The Honorable Sherry Stephens to order a directed verdict or a mistrial in the State’s case against Jodi Arias.
As reported exclusively by BOC it does seem the prosecution missed quite a bit of potential evidence including a possible motive- the duct tape around Travis’s right arm. Was it the final straw that made Jodi Arias snap as she was allegedly taking photos of Travis in the shower without his knowledge?
There was also an exparte hearing held in Judge Stephen’s chambers, however, the contents of those minutes have not yet been filed- although the docket suggests they have. The defense is now testing Jodi Arias’s canon camera for some undisclosed reason.
With the defense preparing to start its case next week in spite of the outstanding motions before the court- have the prosecution’s actions harmed their case?
The issue at the forefront seems to hinge on something that the prosecution never introduced- On Purpose, says Prosecutor Juan Martinez.
The prosecution’s very first witness, Maria Hall, who was the female friend attending the Cancun trip with Alexander on June 10th, told the court that Travis told her he had been stalked while on a date with another girl and had his tires slashed. The intimation before the court was clear regardless of the defense attempts to point out that Travis never said it was Jodi who was responsible.
Nancy Grace and Jane Velez Mitchell lit up their HLN evening roster discussing Arias’s stalker behavior with several associates of Alexander. Dr. Karl Hiatt said one Sunday he was told that he had his tires slashed and that it was possible that something might escalate and he may not show up for dinner as a result.
Outside the presence of the jury Juan Martinez argued that they did not call the witness who Travis was on that particular date with because he did not want to create “an inflammatory” situation for the jury causing an appellate issue.
However, Martinez also lets it slip that Lisa Andrews Daidone does not want to testify and the defense tells the judge the prosecution has withheld her contact information from them and THEY intend to call her. Daidone recently deleted her FB profile and other social media sites in her name.
Does it make any sense to anyone why a prosecutor would not call a witness who could place a dangerous weapon in the hands of a person committing a destructive and openly violent act who they allege is guilty of doing exactly that for exactly the same reasons in the instant case?
From Daidone’s bog entry in 2008:
”…So because Heavenly Father allowed this to happen, I have grown in such a way that I couldn’t have otherwise, or at least not as quickly. While if you asked me a few months from now if I could go back would I change it, I would say “Absolutely,” I’m not sure how much I would actually change about it. Of course I wouldn’t want Travis to be taken. I might even opt for Jodi to be popped instead. But who am I to decide the fate of the hundreds of people that have been effected by this? It’s hard
to say which way is better. Travis always talked about Opportunity Cost. He spoke of how his time could be used best, to benefit the maximum amount of people. I’m sure he wishes he could have done more while he was here, but I don’t think he regrets leaving. He is doing something amazing up in the Spirit World. I know it. I can feel it. He is continuing to learn and progress. He’s helping others to do the same. He is the same wonderful, creative, spontaneous, caring, gentle, driven, foe- paint-loving, show-tune-singing man that I fell in love with…”
Is it because in the 48 Hours Mystery program so frequently noted by the defense Detective Flores openly states there was no evidence whatsoever that Jodi was involved in that incident after he repeats his theory that Travis was shot first? Both these statements made by the lead detective in the case on national television directly conflict with the prosecution’s case as testified by Esteban Flores.
NO.
Is it because they already know who was responsible for the multiple tire slashing incidents and presenting that information might corroborate a story told to them by Arias in the past?
In her own words, Lisa Andrews Daidone began dating Travis Alexander in July 2007. According to the minutes filed from trial January 16th, the tire slashing incident was in December 2007, both Alexander and Andrew’s tires were slashed and the individual came to the front door . Martinez states Andrews will testify to these facts. Prior to dating Alexander, Daidone was dating a common friend and member of their Mormon ward- Steve Bell. Arias claims she and Travis began dating February 2, 2007.
Daidone will not go into how she and Travis began dating, or why, but there is a Steve Bell connected to this group that has had some serious troubles with the law immediately preceding the break up, and many following.
Could the mystery stalker have been on her end and NOT Arias? If so, you can bet the defense will be bringing that issue into court next week and providing the jury with this eye opening gem- expected to cause further problems with the State’s theory.
That’s not all, unfortunately.
Thomas Brown, a former roommate of Travis Alexander in the home of his murder, was interviewed up to three times by Detective Flores whereby he told them that Jodi had open access to the home when he was around and the Arias he knew was completely shy and somewhat awkwardly withdrawn. He was having a hard time picturing her do this without help and he told cops that.
He also told them something about Travis being shocked to get the call that Jodi Arias was standing outside the home the early morning hours of June 4, 2008 and that he had been up all night performing some sort of protection rite. Brown’s information was not included in any information given to the defense and he was not even aware his name came up in the investigation by Jodi Arias herself. I would expect that issue to surface promptly as well.
Gus Searcy, $100K ring earner for Prepaid Legal Services and now Legal Shield was noticed to be available this week for interview. Travis was scheduled to be on the conference call with Searcy at 6:45PM the evening of his murder.
Artful Dodging
While the trial is in hiatus, one are of Jodi Arias’s life is quite active and well, pecuniary.
Arias, through her family, has taken to EBay to sell her personally rendered offerings the macabre set is snatching up for a few hundred clams a piece during the trial.
It is believed to be managed by Arias’s mother Sandy, who uploaded images to Arias’s MySpace after her incarceration to include one of Gary Alexander- Travis’s older brother.
The defense portion of the Jodi Arias trial for the murder of Travis Alexander led by Kirk Nurmi and Jennifer Willmott will begin its case January 29th.
Check back to blinkoncrime.com for updates.
Jacqueline Beaufort, contributing editor
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The laundry- I hadnt thought of jodi wearing the socks over her shoes blink- good thought
but could the socks have been stretched that out of shape to fit over a shoe? maybe she wore them over her bare feet or the flip flops?
and again if Jodi was doing the laundry to clean the scene where are all the towels? they showed the bathroom at least one hand towel was still hanging by the scales then we have the robe still hanging in the room and we have an empty towel rack by the door-
But only 2 towels were in the wash- and several pairs of socks and some pants and shirts….
and according to jodi at least one of the towels was used to clean off her back…
So what was used to clean up the scene?
something is very wrong here.
Why go searching for socks or use only two towels but leave the robe and another towel in the bathroom?
Travis HAD to have more towels then 2
So I am starting to think that Jodi did not do the bloody laundry at all- she took that with her…
and the other laundry the bedding & towels & other items were dirty from the bodily fluids associated with sexual activity ….
So those loads were being laundered either by her or by Travis before the shower pics..
why the camera though?
IDK
I cant figure it out.
AJMO
Peace
RE-
A Texas Grandfather says:
January 23, 2013 at 1:24 pm
Mom3.0
Your statement above that this murder is a part of GOD’s plan for Travis and Jody is not my understanding of how he works. We have free will choices to make. It is our choosing that makes events happen.
–Hi TGF I agree with you that what I was trying to convey that murder is not Gods will but instead a result of our choices. You said it better than I
Im sorry, if my words came out wrong
I was talking about LISA’s feelings , or my misinterpretation of them…
See here she wrote this after Travis was dead.:
”…So because Heavenly Father allowed this to happen, I have grown in such a way that I couldn’t have otherwise, or at least not as quickly. While if you asked me a few months from now if I could go back would I change it, I would say “Absolutely,” I’m not sure how much I would actually change about it. Of course I wouldn’t want Travis to be taken. I might even opt for Jodi to be popped instead. But who am I to decide the fate of the hundreds of people that have been effected by this? It’s hard
to say which way is better. Travis always talked about Opportunity Cost. He spoke of how his time could be used best, to benefit the maximum amount of people. I’m sure he wishes he could have done more while he was here, but I don’t think he regrets leaving. He is doing something amazing up in the Spirit World. I know it. I can feel it. He is continuing to learn and progress. He’s helping others to do the same. He is the same wonderful, creative, spontaneous, caring, gentle, driven, foe- paint-loving, show-tune-singing man that I fell in love with…”
—
—It just seems really weird to me- but I am not in her shoes and I can not say what I would say or do in her position-
Its just strange to me from the outside looking in.
AJMO
Peace
GeorgiaDad says:
January 23, 2013 at 9:58 am
i agree
Marie says:
January 23, 2013 at 1:55 pm
i agree
Heck I cant blame the jury for wondering i find myself wondering the same things- did someone help her after the fact to leave the house to clean up? am i crazy?
RE
Alisa says:
January 23, 2013 at 9:33 pm
Regarding the car that Jodi was purchasing from Travis, I believe she told Det. Flores (during one of the early phone interviews) a story about this car, a BMW, that occurred when she was moving back to CA. She told him about hooking it up to moving van of some sort, but that she unwittingly left the car in gear which caused its engine to be destroyed, or something to that effect. She also told Det. Flores something about the car still being in a shop (in AZ), and that Travis hasn’t yet decided what to do with it, dealing with insurance or something like that. I remember thinking that it was strange she was still paying Travis for this essentially totaled car that was also basically still in Travis’ possession.
I believe the subject (and story) came up when Det. Flores was inquiring about the check she wrote to Travis being found in his office. There may or may not have been more to it, but I just thought there was some sort of deception on her part regarding the matter-it seemed weird to me that she would continue to make payments on a car she did not have and that Travis was likely going to get insurance money for. She was not in possession of the BMW, however, and I presume that was why she needed to rent a car, although I don’t know what vehicle she owned prior or in addition to the one being purchased from Travis.
Does anyone else recall hearing this?
Thanks,
Alisa
Hi Alisa
The car wasnt in Travis’ possession but it was in his name he held the title and she was to make payments on it- of 100 dollars a month- which would mean that she owed him for another months worth as it was June right?
She also said that since she accidentally totaled it but the lawyers couldnt decide if it was her fault or uhauls fault they were still working on figuring it all out-
So lawyers and insurance was involved…
I think this could have been the tipping point for JA- what if she was so pizzed that Travis still wanted her to pay for a car she couldnt drive and a car she didnt really own- and he still wanted her to pay even though she was having sex with him
What if Travis said
hey before you go dont forget to write that check…can you imagine how pizzed she would be?
IDK the car the check the lawyers all of it weighs heavily on my mind.
I think it was weird too Alisa-
AJMO
I recall her saying something to the effect that Travis was so good to her he was letting her buy that car with ridiculous terms (meaning paying almost no interest or none and the sale price was cheap)?
I also thought a dolly ran into it, maybe this is 2 separate incidents?
B
Black shoe
http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s621/wasthinking/5-33-32x163_zps81eade8d.png
black shoe http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s621/wasthinking/blkshoeslg_zpsb7a628d5.png
Nice of the murderer to put a picture of herself wearing BLACK shoes on her myspace for us.
turned up toe style on both?
re: Lisa’s statement: “”…So because Heavenly Father allowed this to happen, I have grown in such a way that I couldn’t have otherwise, or at least not as quickly. While if you asked me a few months from now if I could go back would I change it, I would say “Absolutely,” I’m not sure how much I would actually change about it.”
For centuries, people of faith have debated the Calvinist vs. Armenian argument (predestination vs. free will). To Calvinists, every minute detail of history has been preplanned by the Creator, and even though we may struggle with decisions in our lives, their outcome has been predetermined and our struggles are an illusion of free will. To followers of Armenius, individuals actually have the free will to make their decisions, but Armenius added that the Creator knows in advance what they will decide. More modern ideas include the idea the a superior being created the world and set it in motion and is not actively involved in day-to-day activities (Deism, very popular among the founding father’s of the US), and various combinations of the above.
The idea that God planned every single one of the bad events covered by Blink is a valid theological belief shared by millions of people, so her beliefs are not necessarily out of the mainstream. All people of faith struggle with the idea of why bad things happen to good people. Hopefully, the bad things we discuss on this blog lead to good.
What does bother me about her post is the use of the term “popped”. This is not a term that would normally be used to describe this type of killing. She writes “I might even opt for Jodi to be popped instead.” I can’t image she would want TA to brutally slaughter JA, so it seems as if she believes the two intruder story, and that the intruders made a decision to “pop” TA and not JA. Maybe that was the information available to her at the time and I shouldn’t read to much into it.
Mom3.0
hi,
Maybe-
The CUP was likely used to toss all that water on the floors.
she needed a quick way to destroy bloody foot / shoe prints. I don’t think she ‘cleaned up’ the scene but rather ‘defaced’ it.
Without looking at the pics again, I remember thinking the diluted pools seemed almost a pattern aka ‘bloody walking path’. Why she soaked some of the carpet too. For herself and the body all she had to do is run the shower.
Toss water on floors, back out, toss, back up, toss etc to the closet. Have a towel down for the transition doorway to stand on, get dressed. Have a change of clothes waiting right there at his closet. Funny how she made it a point in her ninja story to include she had some clothes there in his closet. Then all she needed was her disposables’ bagged up and she’s off. Drop by the laundry on the way out, toss in some bleach and while the water is filling, add the insane load. Which would explain a few bottom items have bleach spots and the other stuff that was added on top of them didn’t. By the time the water reaches them, it is diluted. Don’t ask how I know this
I suspect Travis did the first load of laundry (the sane matched load). He may have even used, I better get busy to brush the clinging vine off his back and out of there. The Vac was noted on the 1st floor sitting in the middle of the living room. I think he politely shooed her off and thought she left. she pulled her Freddy, I’m back!
Marie says:
January 23, 2013 at 1:55 pm
I agree with your take on a lot of this. One thing I haven’t seen and I think is important is the issue about others being involved and why the jury is going there. They are going there because, Flores gave that to them! Right out of the gate! On the tapes Martinez selected to play right off the bat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdiZADvLaEY
Trial Day 2 FLores call to Jodi
31:45
jodi: ‘unless there was two people…’
Flores – he’s a pretty good sized guy … it would take two people, maybe more to over power him
Then he repeats it AGAIN! 45:25
‘he’s a big guy and it would take, like I mentioned to you before, it would take more than one person to do this to him’
Yes. Unfortunately, yes.
B
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Wow. Blink and Marie, I do understand why you’re worried. This looks very bad. I’m trying to figure out what the prosecution can say in closing arguments to dispel this. But it’s occurred to me that it may be completely dispelled when the defense tells their story. Because they’re going to make clear to the jury that no, there were NOT two intruders. Jodi did this. She did it. But she did it to defend herself. I swear, the defense might do better to come back on the 29th and rest their case without saying one word. Because yes, the prosecution has done quite enough to put doubts in the jurors minds. It’s amazing.
Even the indictment’s alternative charge says, “JODI ANN ARIAS, on or about the 4th day of June, 2008, acting either alone or with one or more other persons, committed or attempted to commit Burglary, Second Degree, and in the course of and in furtherance of such offense, or immediate flight from such offense, JODI ANN ARIAS or another person caused the death of TRAVIS V. ALEXANDER…”
WHY didn’t the prosecution spend time saying well, we know the intruder thing didn’t happen, and here’s why???? I think they didn’t address it because it’s right there in their indictment. They think it very well could have happened, although they think Jodi was in on it.
I don’t know if the jury heard Jodi’s part of the story when she said she didn’t call police after she got away because the intruders had threatened her life and had threatened to kill her family. If they heard that part, they may think she’s sitting there nobly taking the blame to protect her family.
Blink, I agree. I agree that the prosecution didn’t explain enough.
Let’s hope that her new story of self defense makes it clear in the juror’s minds that she did in fact kill him.
Blink, could the prosecution have amended the charge(s) after hearing what Jodi’s defense was??? And at this point, how can they fix this in closing arguments?
@Joan t
There is a mistrial hearing scheduled for Monday and she has about a 50/50 shot of getting one at this point, imo.
If not, the state is likely already preparing to do damage control in rebuttal, but if it gets that far Az courts are pretty strict about the rules and witnesses, etc. If Martinez hopes to make up and lost ground he hopes to do so on cross exam of Jodi if he gets the chance
Who asks, during an interrogation of a murder investigation…
‘What’s my motive?’
A guilty conscience, perhaps.
@ slowroller
Holy cow! That is a fantastical analogy and unfortunately, a good insight into how I play that game. I only play to ‘buzz’ and disrupt. I realize it’s immature.
Thanks for the hearty lol, friendy! Loved that movie.
Just ‘reading’ comments at the State vs. JA fb. Someone posted an interesting question.
Whomever is selling JA’s artwork @ ebay, is referencing the website JFineArt.com or the logo JFineArt, on items painted or made (there was one piece of pottery) by JA.
This page is NOT Jodi’s work.
http://www.jfineart.com
On one of her myspace profiles, she features the website on her photos…
http://www.myspace.com/jfineart/photos/albums/weddings/991289
I ‘clicked’ on the contact info. The area code is 301….Maryland.
WTH.
Marie says:
January 24, 2013 at 11:45 am
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I think you are very close with this theory Marie.
Christina Stoy says:
January 24, 2013 at 1:38 pm
@Joan t
There is a mistrial hearing scheduled for Monday and she has about a 50/50 shot of getting one at this point, imo.
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Christina, that would be a good thing, wouldn’t it? The state gets a do over.
This point is now moot, as I mentioned in the piece, although the docket showed minutes were filed, they were not, and this was corrected today. No mistrial and no dismissal.
That said, these issued are preserved on the record. I remain hopeful this girl gets her due process.
B
The story about the BMW is likely a fabrication on Jodi’s part. If you rent a towbar set from U-haul the rental staff will give you an instruction sheet and verbal instructions on how to attach all equipment and get the car or truck being towed out of gear to protect the engine and transmission. If this BMW is front-wheel drive,it should have been on a dolly instead of a towbar.
I don’t believe the dectives story that it would take two to take down Travis. I guessed his height from the photos as 5’8″ and his weight at 155 to 160. He was one inch taller. Unless he was way overweight for his height and had lost weight recently, or he was a weight lifter, a guy 6′ tall that actually did manual work for a living could put him down real easy.
Weight guessing rules: first five feet 110 lbs, each inch above 5′ add 5 lbs for small bones, 6 lbs for medium and 7 lbs for large bones. His frame appears to be medium. 9 x 6 =54 plus 110= 164 max.
Jodi either drugged him or was able to stab him with the knife before he realized he was being attacked. After that, she was in control.
The weight rules are for men only that are obviously not overweight. Yes, I’ve got rules for girls & women too. Not going to give them. LOL
Haven’t been sucked into the trial vortex since the CA trial. I swore off criminal justice at that time, hoping not to be sucked in again–then this case grabbed me. I’m going to be on the road for the next 3 weeks–I will have Sirius XM in my car, is there a channel where I can catch the trial along the way? If not, I suppose I could set up a live stream on my laptop and listen to it that way but there will be so many signal interruptions it might not be practical.
I just heard on HLN “News Now” that the judge has denied both defense motions for mistrial and dismissal. Haven’t been able to verify that with other reports. If this is true, it’s very encouraging. I don’t know why our justice system permits dragging a victim through character assassination and denigration if their character is not a contributing factor to the crime committed. I don’t buy that his rejection of her is a valid argument for killing him. His devotion, or lack thereof, to Mormonism is nobody’s business and doesn’t seem to me to have any bearing on this case.
Really, what could a man do to any woman (short of beating her half to death which he didn’t) to warrant 29 stab wounds, a slit throat, and a gunshot to the head??? As has been stated before here at BOC, if she was attempting to defend herself she could have knocked him out and fled for her life. I cannot think of anything that would justify this brutal murder, no matter how much of a cad a man might be. A woman is free to walk away, get counseling if she cannot let go, or just stick pins in a voodoo doll if she can’t cope with the anger. Last I checked, calling me a whore or slut doesn’t entitle me to stab someone to death. There are no laws against having hot, steamy sex with a willing and eager partner (no matter what her motivations might be for being an easy lay). While I wish men weren’t so vulnerable to sexual temptation, Jodi’s total willingness to spread her legs (and snap pictures of it) was sure to entice Travis back into her web. Like a black widow spider, she destroyed him after mating.
It has been helpful reading through all of the thoughtful BOC posts on this case. I have formed a plausible scenario for the crime scene with all of your contributions. I think he probably walked her out late afternoon after the sex, returned to the bathroom to shower when she reappeared with her weapons, camera in hand, to finish him off after realizing he wasn’t going to change his mind about getting her out of his life. I, too, find her “innocent” little girl demeanor and coquettish mannerisms beyond creepy.
I did hear Jodi explain she had towed a U-Haul with the BMW when she moved back to California. She left it in 1st gear and blew up the engine. Major DUH, who continues to drive a car while hearing it grinding to an explosive crescendo? She said it “gave birth” all over the road and was towed to a shop; she couldn’t afford to have the engine rebuilt. Now, this could be true but coming from a habitual liar we should proceed cautiously in believing anything she says. Hope the jury realizes this as well.
Lastly, I agree with those of you who question her second acquisition of a 9mm gun and knives in the second rental car. Who on earth was she going to murder with those and who packs knives for self-defense? Someone said “you don’t bring a knife to a gun fight”. Surely having a loaded gun would be sufficient for self-protection.
If I understand correctly, the prosecution left out the ‘stalking angle because of possible prejudice or bias against JA.
This email was sent to Lisa Andrews, Travis’ ex g/f. Who else had a reason to send something like this, to her? JA is a bonafide monster. I wonder how long it took for her to perfect that willowy soft voice, that wins the men over. It’s an intentional throw off. Other than that, her personality is one dimensional and monotone. It’s like she lacks a soul.
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/01/23/woman-arias-invoked-god-nasty-email-me?hpt=ts1
(link source from State vs. Jodi Arias FB)
Wow.
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/01/24/arias-judge-denies-defense-motion-mistrial
((link source from State vs. Jodi Arias FB)
I’m terribly reflective on TA’s murder case and comments @ BOC, the past day or 2. More so, it seems. First, I continue to be amazed by the wisdom and heart behind the posts. I LOVE reading and accessing all perspectives. Mom3.0 has taught me to consider these things with an open mind. It’s the only way to the truth. in my humble opinion. Thank you Lord, for Mom’s wisdom. It’s had a profound effect on how I take in information. Big hugs.
One thought I keep going back to and agree with is Blink’s assessment of the shower photo where Travis’ arms are crossed. This is a very important picture, to me.
May I add another perspective, which is congruent with B’s analysis?
I’ve been baptized as a baby. Then my husband and I, decided to become baptized as adults. I don’t believe this is my thought, but an inspiration from the Lord. I revisited my baptism experience and how it made me feel cleansed, renewed, reborn! It is one of the most liberating, loving and freeing experiences my soul has ever felt. I recalled what my pastor said to me just before the ‘dunk’….and then a vivid picture of my arms crossed as I was being baptized, came to me.
Travis may have been reliving his baptism, releasing the guilt and shame, as the water poured over his body. He may have wanted to recreated that ‘release’ of bondage to sin and the secular world while reaffirming his desire to walk with the Lord and rebuke the enemy. It could have also be an intense, heart felt form or repentance and reconciliation.
Regardless, I truly believe he was in some form of meditation and prayer.
mho, with love
I think Travis was definitely praying in the shower. Since that was brought up, I haven’t looked at those photos and thought anything different.
He had his eyes closed in every single picture, until the last one where we saw all the emotion in his eyes. He looked not only fearful and angry, but he looked SURPRISED. So I think with the sound of the shower and the concentration of his praying, he didn’t hear or see Jodi, until the last picture. That photo is truly haunting.
From the HLN article that Ragdoll posted:
“Stephens wrote in her order that it is possible Arias may have intended to assault Alexander and accidentally killed him, thus justifying the felony murder charge.”
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/01/24/arias-judge-denies-defense-motion-mistrial
So things may not be so bleak. The defense witness list is out and Jodi’s name is on it. Plus the judge denied the motion to throw out the felony murder charge for the reason above. Right now my guess is she will be convicted of the First degree felony murder charge. Blink, do you allow pools on your blog? LOL
@Joan T 8:24
Hi,
the face pic isn’t the first or the only time Travis looked at Jodi.
at 5:27:18 he sees her. 2 mins 2 secs before the straight on face shot.
http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s621/wasthinking/5-27_zps4360d9e4.png
Here is a slide show of the court pics IN ORDER of TIMESTAMPS. I think it is compelling support for my belief there is no way he was posing!
Another mistake the prosecution made imo, is to agree with and thereby support this Jodi “posing” lie.
http://s1309.beta.photobucket.com/user/wasthinking/media/5-27_zps4360d9e4.png.html?sort=3&o=0#/user/wasthinking/media/TravisAlexander_zpsad4bd0f7.mp4.html?sort=3&o=3&_suid=135908961117808166078616507819
FYI photobuckets beta site is working a littly funky so if you can’t get it the first time, try again. It seems to say deleted at random times then it puts things back at random times. lol
Agreed, he is clearly captured on an image and is visually surpised and annoyed, imo.
B
Marie, Thank you for that photo bucket slideshow. For those who believe that Travis was surprised by the shower photos, do you believe that the last two photos and the reason why he is sitting in the shower are a result of an attack by Jodi? So, in other words, the haunting face front photo is S/P attack? At 5:27:18 he is startled by her, and then 2 minutes 2 seconds later is the seated haunting face front. What happened in that 2 minutes 2 seconds?
Do you believe that the first photos were taken through the shower door glass with zoom? Did she then open the door to attack and then take the last two? He must not have been shot in the shower because there is no bullethole in his face. In the last photo alive, he looks pretty stayed. Had he been hit yet? Did he then get up and start fighting for his life?
Marie, Intense imagery in that photo bucket slideshow, thank you. In his last alive picture, he looks stunned to me and possibly in grave fear. It appears to me that he was probably shot in the shower and that’s why he’s sitting.
I am as confused as ever after reading the autopsy report. I have never heard of superficial puncture wounds and the depth of some of his incised wounds being caused by the same sharp force instrument.
I am not sure I have enough detail to work through it, but I am seeing the possibility of two different weapons outside of the gun.
B
GeorgiaDad says:
January 24, 2013 at 11:33 am
re: Lisa’s statement:
I hear what youre saying and i agree but at the same time I cant help that the statement, for lack of a better term – sets of my hinky meter.
Lisa, She was a lady that was in love with Travis yet her words seem almost hollow to me and the use of the term “heavenly father” yes I know it is widely used but it jumped out to me because this is the same terminology that was used in the “whoredom” email.
Again it just seems strange to ME but I do not know her and dont want to be in her position – but I am trying to put myself in the jury’s position and it might seem “off” to them too especially the whole “popped” wording.. AJMO
Marie says:
January 24, 2013 at 11:45 am
Hi Marie thanks for sharing that- and yes again I agree it could have happened just like this- – Do you think the camera was accidentally placed in the wash or purposely placed there?
Elizabeth says:
January 24, 2013 at 3:57 pm-
Great post i agree with much of what you wrote- Sorry i dont have SXM so i cant answer your question- be safe on your trip.
Ragdoll- thank you for posting that email etc very informative & thanks for your kind words- you are so much more than the BOC mascot ragdoll
About the Mistrial motion- the way the Judge answered the felony charges I appreciated that- and why oh why didnt the Prosecution write it like that- along with burglary state assault also- that would have helped them IMO Joan T- I agree this ruling and the judges words made me feel things werent as bleak …
Marie says:
January 24, 2013 at 11:59 pm
Thank you so much for posting that link I have tried and tried to find that pic of Travis
to me that pic encapsulates Travis as the victim in all of this. It shows his surprise and his dismay- he looks so very vulnerable and young … to think this is the young man that was so brutally killed moments later. Sad
AJMO Peace
Do we all agree the defense is leaking the current available documents in anticipation of their case next week?
How the He77 did LE not know Arias purchased a 9MM when she was under investigation in the first place?
CA has a 10 day waiting person and she needs a safety certificate and she told them she bought one.
B
@ Marie – Thank you for the link. I have been trying to piece together the order of the photos that came from that camera. This video begins to put things into perspective.
I do believe she left and came back. The shower pics are relaxed, possibly a mixture of prayer and reflection. If the roommate was right about the protection rite and he had been afraid of whatever was about to happen and then she showed up unexpectedly, it probably gave him a lot of pause for reflection. If I had reason to believe I needed protection to the extent that I would both vocalize it to someone else and perform a ritual to guard from it, I would be replaying the whole prior 24 hours in my mind. Was she the reason I needed protection? Did the rite work? Is there still something out there? Why oh why did I just have sex with her again? Maybe she wasn’t it and I need to fear this trip to Mexico. He was about to leave the country. He might have been thinking through his “to do” list. I can think of all kinds of things that would be going through my mind. And a relaxing shower is the perfect place (at least is often the case for me) to focus on nothing but my thoughts. If I were in that mode of thinking in a relaxed moment possibly thinking the danger had passed and I had things to do, catching someone in my most vulnerable state would be an intrusion – an intrusion of my privacy, an intrusion of my thoughts, an intrusion of “I have things to do and you aren’t one of them” – my time. Throw in someone snapping my picture without permission. I would be frustrated and probably angry. At a minimum I would have been startled. Was she trying to leave evidence on his camera that he was probably going to take to Cancun with another woman the next morning? Similar to the threatening email, however pictures are worth a thousand words. (In this case, a LOT more than that.) Maybe she didn’t expect to get caught but was prepared just in case. The photos are in a fairly short space of time. The ceiling shot tells me that she had her finger on the shutter button. If he had attacked her, she would have snapped something of that. (Not only that but a normal woman would have run and not stopped until safely in her car or to a neighbor. He was naked. All she had to do was get outside. A normal woman would not have locked the door, done the laundry and bailed.) I think she had the gun in her hand in those last two or three photos and that threat subdued him. Remember what was likely just going through his mind for at least the last 5 minutes.
Just trying to get into the mind of the victim. I have failed to get into the mind of the killer. ALJMO
Yes – thanks Marie fo rthe video of the photos. It is enlightening to experience the pauses between the pics. I think she surprised him – then forced him with the gun to sit in submission. She is one scarey B****. Yikes.
Marie, thank you for posting the photobucket pictures. Their being in the order that they were taken is very useful in trying to picture what happened.
The 5:27:18 picture is very dark on my monitor. It looks almost like a silhouette. I extracted it and brightened it, but it’s still too dark to see facial features. It’s a png file. It’s hard to tell if he’s looking toward the camera or away from the camera. Can you all see it in more detail? If I come across a version of that photo in jpg format, I can brighten it and adjust it so we can get a better view of it, if the detail is there to begin with. I’ll post it on photobucket if I find that.
The picture in between the haunting pic of Travis’s face and the picture of the ceiling blew me away. It’s the picture of Travis’s body in the shower almost in a fetal position, but his legs are crossed. I’ve seen that photo but I never knew it was one that was on the washing machine camera. I thought it was a crime scene photo taken by LE!! What do you all make of that photo???? What was happening there??
By the way, I came across the picture of Travis, injured on the floor, and the pant leg in the foreground. This is a good picture because it’s the one that LE has enhanced. It’s the photo that the jury saw.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati…icle-1.1241403
(snipped) “Stephens wrote in her order that it is possible Arias may have intended to assault Alexander and accidentally killed him, thus justifying the felony murder charge.
Ultimately, Stephens’ ruling may make it easier for the jury to convict Arias of first-degree murder. The jury can reach a verdict of first-degree murder two different ways: They can either find that Arias planned to kill Alexander or that she only intended to hurt him and accidentally killed him.”
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I don’t understand Judge Stephens ruling. Is she giving the jury a choice? It’s obvious JA didn’t accidentally kill him.
Marie, thanks for posting the slide show link. I have one word…..”haunting”.
Elizabeth, I think HLN is on Sirius XM, channel 116.
The judge stated: “Stephens wrote in her order that it is possible Arias may have intended to assault Alexander and accidentally killed him, thus justifying the felony murder charge.”
I don’t know what happened, but I don’t think it was an accident.
blink wrote: “I am not sure I have enough detail to work through it, but I am seeing the possibility of two different weapons outside of the gun.”
That would explain why she bought a gun and TWO knives before she was caught. I would like to know what type of knives were recovered when she was arrested. Although there is no evidence of a second party, I can’t shake the gut feeling that someone else is involved. TA travelled with a lot of attractive young ladies and many of them spent a lot of time at his house. Maybe he had other enemies?
Concerning the menacing e-mail ““You are a shameful whore. Your Heavenly Father must be deeply ashamed of the whoredoms you’ve committed with that insidious man. If you let him stay in your bed one more time or even sleep under the same roof as him, you will be giving the appearance of evil.”
That email seems to me to come from an ex-BF of the recipient, and also from someone fluent in Mormon phraseology. I doubt a recent convert “dabbling in Mormonism” would write that letter, unless JA herself had received a similar e-mail.
The one thing I have been really struggling with are the shower photos. Marie – thank you for the link to the slideshow. It was really interesting to see the photos presented in this manner. However, the slideshow also reassured me that I don’t think I’m crazy to feel like something is odd here. Everyone on this site seems convinced that TA did not know JA was there. The photos do not give me the same impression. There is a glass door in front of that shower, in my recollection, and those types of glass doors have some amount of curvature and the glass is thick and distorting purposefully so that it can provide privacy even if someone else is in the bathroom. For that reason alone, I do not believe it would have been possible for JA to take pictures through the glass door.
In addition, I disagree that the straight on shot of TA’s face shows him “surprised” by JA’s presence. I agree that there is something haunting about the photo, and perhaps that is simply that this is the last face shot of a vibrant, living, young human being.
I recall hearing somewhere, but do not have a cite, that JA had advised that TA wanted her to take photos of him in the shower to show off his body after a weight loss. If this is inaccurate, I apologize. However, if it is true that she said this, it might be one of the few things I think the evidence could support, at least to some reasonable minds. Many of the photos are taken with TA in positions that really accentuate his bicep muscles and back.
I could be way off and, although I think there is no question in my mind that JA committed this crime (and not out of self-defense), I just wanted to mention the reasons why I am struggling with the photographic evidence.
YW everyone, glad the slides were helpful.
BLINK
Hours on hours of Jodi, you can’t see any deformity in her boney slashers. She had her fingerprints taken June 17th and there’s no testimony of any injuries or deformity.
Help me out on the autopsy? I’d love to learn more about interpretation. What are you seeing that you think two weapons for stabs / incisions? My unexperienced eyes were thinking the smaller ones were knife tip knicks, no?
I agree with you on Def just leaks! LOL, Matt standing in the wings. Somehow, by Jodi telling him Travis broke her finger, Matt’s turned that into it has deformed her whole hand. I hear Martinez growling ‘let me at him’ as we speak
Jden, 8:44
As far as the door open or closed, the only one I can say ‘open’ to from my knowledge level is the one that has water on the lens @ 5:25:00 (it made those big round dots). The others, no idea.
Cindy, 9:09
I don’t see signs of any actual attack to that point. Don’t see any signs of blood on him or the white shower. My conclusion is, it wasn’t at that stage yet.
Sitting, his nose running (don’t dare move to wipe it) dread in his eyes, suggests to me, he was ordered down and sitting at gun point. Next, we see the ceiling so that is when I suspect the actual attacking started.
Mom3.0 9:28
I went to HP and looked at their washer pics again. I don’t know if it is just how they took the items out but in the pics the camera was sitting on the bottom. You can see the tub drain holes. With all the items being relatively smaller individual items, I’m thinking the camera had to be placed there on purpose.
Lisa! Good catch, I think you might be on to something with the verbage. She came off to me as a wackadoodle.(am I allowed to say that without getting in trouble?)
oops Marie, I am guessing this is the post you were asking about, my apologies.
I need to review and research the autopsy more closely, but it looks like the defense is not going there anyway as I opined earlier- unless, and if it were me, I would plan that for rebuttal.
B
What are the chances that is the robe hanging outside of the shower in the draging photo instead of her pants leg? I think she pretented to leave, came back started taking the shower pics, then shot him. In the dragging photo he looks like he is on the bathroom floor right outside the shower. Maybe it’s a combo of her leg and part of the robe hanging there.
I Should not have said crime. it is semantics, I suppose, but she is admitting in evidentiary hearings to committing the act,event, , whatever you want to call it. She is not pleading guilty or admitting what she did is a crime. Understand. but by admitting to the events that lead to T. A. death,she is admitting she shot him. Then it is no longer point of contention that a gun was used , and she used it. My question was more if she refuses or her defense refuses to give any answer, they could compel her defense to respond. So must likely there is an answer on record albeit B.S. answer.
Joan T. says: 12:16 pm
png / jps, sorry, I never had it in a jpg, took most of those w snip tool. They did say in court it was a dark pic as are others. At the time I did that slide show, I was interested in laying out an organized visual for myself and not so much quality. Sorry about that. I’m lucky I got that far. lol Read up for at least an hour just on how to make it with microsoft moviemaker which didn’t even know I had until my grandson told me about it.
will this work? Looks like the Options button gets you to “download”
http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q650/tabularasa6/ja22_zpsf16cd1a4.jpg
Thanks, Joan, I probably will end up listening to HLN but they are so repetitive during the day. I will be able to pull up the YouTube court sessions in the evening when I get to my room(s). This is a business road trip from Indiana through Kansas City, Colorado then Las Vegas and return. There’s an itch to return the south route and slip into the courtroom in AZ, but I probably won’t do that. My scottie-dog is my travel companion and I don’t think I could slip her in. It could be all over by the time I return.
GeorgiaDad, LOL at whoredoms. Who says that anyway? Who sends John Doe religious tongue-lashing email for that matter? I agree it sounds more like it could be from the ex-boyfriend of Lisa. I am inclined to think the tire slashings and creepy email aren’t Acts of Jodi. Seems apparent now she doesn’t give any fair warning before she strikes. Sheesh, even a rattlesnake warns before attack! Travis had some intuitive willies that she was capable of violence; sad he didn’t listen to that inner voice.
I appreciated the slideshow as well. The gaps between photo shots were far longer than I imagined, some seemed very long. Enough time to pad back to the bedroom for weapons?
@Robert
I understand your context, and I am responding with legaleaze.
Through her plea, she is admitting guilt SO FAR through her counsel opening statement as far as the current proceeding.
For that defense commitment to be met to the jury, I agree she is going to need to be forthcoming. Leaving juries to fill in blanks is detrimental to both sides.
B
@Elizabeth
I totally agree that letter was from a dude.
To be honest reading that was what sparked my interest in the possibility of an outside stalked.
You:
I am as confused as ever after reading the autopsy report. I have never heard of superficial puncture wounds and the depth of some of his incised wounds being caused by the same sharp force instrument.
I am not sure I have enough detail to work through it, but I am seeing the possibility of two different weapons outside of the gun.
B
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Blink I noticed that too I dont know what to make of it though.
Have you read the police report? (BTW yes it does seem the defense is leaking some stuff) JMO
- The roommates- “alibis” they dont seem very sound to me and that worries me not because I think they were involved but the prosecution/Det was so adamant they had been “cleared” –
What is the jury going to think if they find out cleared isnt necessarily cleared but more we believed them and their story seems to check out…
both are coming and going and mistakenly cant remember the last time they saw Travis…
and the whole talk of the scene was managed- for five days the scene wasnt managed- who knows who came and went?
the furniture was moved around the area -the front of the stairs appeared to be clean- the vacuum/or steamer was left out-the banister was wiped clean or seemed to be…
one roommate couldnt remember when he last did laundry -
Yikes- what a mess
and the saddest part of all of this is Travis was missing gone for 5 days and noone but Mimi was worried?
Not even his work when he missed the conference call?
AJMO
Marie, the slideshow is great! Png files are good for posting on the internet! And thanks for posting it. It really cleared a lot of things up! The jpg is a jpg of a png though. I know I’ll come across a jpg of the original though, somewhere, and when I do I’ll let you know. I just have Photoshop, so I’ll brighten it and manipulate it any other way I can. Wouldn’t it be nice if the prosecution provided high resolution photos for armchair detectives watching at home? LOL But it looks like these photos have been a challenge even for the forensics lab, although when you see the courtroom photos, they did a pretty good job considering the originals they had to work with.
And I enjoyed your photos and comments about the black shoe.
January 24, 2013 at 10:26 am
Is it possible for forensics to figure out the size of the shoe from the photo?
It looks a bit like a Bruno Magli shoe to me. :X
If the e-mail and the tire slashings were done by Lisa’s ex-boyfriend, and it’s looking that way, then I really don’t see how Marie Hall’s testimony was allowed. To be fair, this is a first degree murder case and JA could very well be given the death penalty. If there’s no evidence of stalking, that needs to be made clear in the courtroom.
When I thought Jodi did the tire slashing, it helped me to believe she did the killing. It told me she crossed a boundary to violence. That if she would be violent to his possessions, she would be violent to him. Plus, it told me she’s comfortable doing violence with a knife. And it fits with the behavior of a stalker. I’m sure the jury is taking note of these things, too.
I still think she did it, or took part in it, but she does have a right to a fair trial, and I don’t know how the testimony of Marie Hall was allowed. It was hearsay, and now it looks like it was completely false.
Blink, was Lisa’s ex-boyfriend questioned about all this? You said:
To my knowledge SB has never been interviewed- who slashed the tires is in question, but I doubt for long.
B
Have you heard anything yet?
I do feel sorry for Lisa. They say she doesn’t want to take the stand and who can blame her with all these frightening incidents from her dating life. They say she’s married now and she probably doesn’t want to relive all this.
TribeWM,
Not all glass shower doors have distortion in the glass. Some are clear glass:
Example:
http://www.faucetdirect.com/vigo-vg6042-60-60-frameless-shower-door-with-3-8-clear-glass-reversible-installation/p1928675?source=gg-gba-pla_1928675____6438712403&s_kwcid=PTC!pla!!!38635859123!g!!6438712403&gclid=CIGfrZP0hLUCFUKd4Aod02gAvw
And even in LE’s photos of the scene, the glass looks clear. Too, people questioned why the glass wasn’t steamed up, but the answer was that it was Arizona in June, and Travis probably took a cool shower.
TribeWM,
It’s not just that the shower door is clear glass. I think Travis wasn’t aware that the photos in the shower were being taken, and here’s why. If you look at the photos again, and consider that he may have been praying in the shower, it really looks like that. His eyes are closed. His facial expressions, his body positions, all of it doesn’t look like he’s trying to show off his new body weight or his biceps. What we know of his personality, I think he’d be mugging for the camera and making jokes out of showing off his biceps. And then that picture, almost last, the look of complete surprise on his face, I think that’s when he realized he was being photographed.
@mom3.0
I am not an ME obviously, and we should of course respect their findings.
I actually think Horn’s autopsy for a decedant of Travis’s post mortem interval stage was sound.
My isssue is with his testimony. My training in homicidal motivations , wound identification and crime analysis conflict with his sworn testimony. To be fair, he is the independent witness and expert here. I contemplate the collective Intel.
I have more work to do before I feel comfortable presenting my professional conclusions, but preliminarily, there is evidence these two had a physical altercation . I am being intentionally non- specific.
@Joant
Not according to the investigative reports I have read.
I’ve got a few questions – was Jodi’s occupation just a waitress? Why was she going to all these “conferences”. How the heck could she afford to travel constantly? Did her grandparents raise her?
Blink I agree after 5 days its hard to figure and unlike the ME I have no experience and I was not there to observe in “real time- so my thoguhts could be wayy way off…
I am interested in hearing your take- as the puncture like wounds are strange IMO perhaps they came from the very tip of the knife?
Another thing that is strange to me is the uneven cut of the throat- his neck wound is almost as if someone -smashed his neck down over a large shard of glass—
and it seems along with the bubbling coming from the neck wound the wound to his heart was still seeping…
To my knowledge this seepage was not mentioned in court.
these things are strange to me, again though I am not an ME.
— just trying to again put myself in the jurors place
Thanks for responding Blink I look forward to more of your analysis.
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many things are bothering me from the report
for instance
Why would Travis take off his ring and leave his watch on the kitchen counter – did he do the dishes before taking a shower?
why would his cell be in the den when he was going to take a shower-
BTW
Also in the report it says the camera bag was found next to the bean bag chair in the media room- did I read that right? the pics seem to show it in the bedroom… and according to the report the camera, in the wash had severe water damage- so it does seem that it was ran through the wash-
another thing of note was that there was cast off on the blinds in the bathroom- another thing not mentioned in court TMK
JoanT- re the shower door- I agree it was not frosted- you can clearly see through it to the wall on the other side in some of the evidence photos- and the photo of Travis shaving…
TheTribeWM- hey thanks for sharing your thoughts i am not convinced of anything – we are all just sharing thoughts- so dont feel bad that yours differ from most- you could be right he may have been aware but the surprised pic (the one that he has his mouth open) could be he is surprised not by the camera but by a weapon or a change in her demeanor etc..
Survivor says:
January 25, 2013 at 9:31 am
excellent post-
when Blink first wrote of the prompting and the protection rite and the Holy ghost i put those words in the search box and this is what came up-
http://www.i4m.com/think/leaders/holy_ghost.htm
N.Cahela says:
January 25, 2013 at 2:51 pm
I dont know what the chances are but I agree that it is possible you are correct and the thought has crossed my mind IRT the robe and the pic.
AJMO
Peace
I know this is elementary, and may not hold any weight in the grand scheme of this murder, but what DID JA do to make money and support HERSELF? Being cut off from a source of money that she may have gotten used to in a short period of time may have caused a rampage – No? That and everything else that goes along with her possessive/clingy/stalking personality. Creepy, creepy girl……
Blink:
Can you explain what you mean about the duct tape? Why would Travis taking it off his arm anger Jodi?
Did anyone else notice that in the shower pics of Travis, the last one of him alive is the only one that is lit up? Either she turned the lights on or used a flash. I think it’s a picture of Travis knowing that Jodi is going to murder him and it’s very disturbing. I also don’t think that Travis even knew Jodi was in the bathroom taking the pictures–I think she was crouched down by the bathtub–just like she showed Det. Flores when describing her position when the one-armed man and his frizzy haired girlfriend invaded the home and murdered Travis.