Jodi Arias Trial Verdict IS IN: GUILTY Of MURDER In The Slaying Of Travis Alexander
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Phoenix, AZ- In the 4 month long trial of Jodi Ann Arias for the murder of her brief boyfriend Travis Victor Alexander, the jury deliberating since last Friday has arrived at a verdict in her case. Arias was found guilty of the pre-meditated murder of Travis Alexander on June 4th, 2008.
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Hi Mom3.0
Just wanted to let you know that I did read through all of your responses and I will share my thoughts with you on same at a later time. Have a busy weekend so it might take awhile. Wishing now that I would have taken notes on your posts that started this exchange. lol.
Everyone have a wonderful weekend.
typo- july 9th is the birthdate in my above post mom3.0- i took a short time out from posting,as my style was getting a little too quipy,and i was putting my foot in my mouth, a couple times.ie the bimbo comment,i left out the word -other ,–every other girl in l.a. i was trying to be funny, plus i meant ,i thought jodi looked ladylike , i was expecting las vegas bimbo(after hearing the comment by travis’s friend ),so i figured it was the bleach blonde hair and the sexy baby voice ,that’s what i meant by every other girl. hmm it was sky hughes’s dress.i liked de marte til she showed her obvious bias ,and the HIDING behind the christmas tree comment ,really bothered me.i’d love to know how that got morphed ,if de marte morphed it herself , that’s dangerously creepy. i think this whole case was flavored in wrong sauce, hln was creepy, does nancy grace thinks jodi has to pay for oj, o-word ,and her fiancee.vinnie politano was scary,and jenny hut’s (my winner of bad hair)eyes are almost as crazy as jodi’s. and all the women on dr. drews panel admitted soft stalking behavior,checking emails and little black books.i am not giving jodi a pass.i went from 2nd degree to 1st based on the 3-4 sec premeditation(and a personal experience),and her inability to explain it ,instead she took the fifth via amnesia (if it were me ,i would be begging shrinks to help me remember) did anyone else catch her spider comment ,she says it in the interrogation tapes and then in her allocution. to say it in her allocution must mean its pretty important to her. the saying is “wouldnt hurt a fly”,.darryl brewer also says it,but he says fly. interesting that she changes it to spider,i have heard of this in regards to the occult, is she waving her evil allegiance flag, there fore no remorse? i am just not sure ,but i believe in goodness not evil.
Yes, Dr. Drew Pinsky uses the term “comorbidity” on his show quite a bit. In addition to his work in broadcasting, he primarily treats patients with substance abuse/dependence disorders, and is board certified in internal medicine and addiction medicine. He is not a psychiatrist, but has taught addiction medicine to medical students and residents as an associate clinical professor in the Department of Psychiatry at the USC Keck School of Medicine in Los Angeles.
Based on remarks he has made over the years, Dr. Drew seems quite familiar with patients who have personality disorders, particularly cluster C disorders (antisocial, borderline, dependent and narcissistic). Many who have these diagnoses also have comorbid substance abuse/addiction disorders. They can also have other Axis I comorbid disorders.
Mom 3.0,
Thank you for your well-thought replies. I agree that this conversation evokes much food for thought.
I admit to a pessimism as to rehabilitation considerably so because our current system seems devoid of a productive course. It’s very complex, indeed, and mostly because we are individuals that are a summation of our parts and exposures. It’s not that I do not believe that rehabilitation can occur but that unless key factors are present it will most likely not occur. Factors that are necessary, but not limited to the will of the perpetrator, proper guidance, and a vast knowledge.
I respect and mirror your thoughts of prevention, or at least knowledge, as imperative.
Are perpetrators’ bodies being studied postmortem? I would imagine permission is required from immediately family. In life, DNA samples are easily had. Possibly a non-invasive DNA sampling is a requirement for prison admission. The characteristics could be studied concurrent with psychological findings to form opinions and theories, find similar traits.
Controversially, suppose a DNA characteristic was found in the screening of an individual that had not acted out. How would that then affect that individual’s mental affect? Could that incite a self-fulfilling prophecy? What would it be like to feel fully sound psychologically and yet be classified with psychoses? I wondered what JA was thinking as JD testified about classifying her with borderline personality disorder diagnosis.
Mom, please do not mistake me as non-compassionate. I know that error is prevalent in any system and am willing to weigh the balance. If I thought there was any sense of humanness in JA, I would cry for her, I would. As a mother, I always see these young perpetrators as somebody’s child and I know that but by the grace of God go I. Go we. It could be mine. It could be me. We all have the capacity within us to be these horrible people and to commit these heinous crimes. The difference is our conscious that would only allow that to occur if we were defending our own lives, or that of someone we love. That is why JA needed to use the self-defense theory, because it is the only thing that makes human sense in this crime. The problem with that is, she does not exhibit the capability of being human.
I am not advocating the DP for JA. I am glad that I do not have to assist in making that decision. I do feel that she needs to be isolated… not as much in retribution but for the protection of others. She was apprehended packing weapons. I feel strongly that she would kill again.
Prison will be excruciatingly penal for her physiologically and psychologically, so for those that desire retribution, hopefully LWOP will suffice. It is deeply unfortunate that society has to “pay” so richly for the misdeeds of some.
God shed a tear with us the day that Travis was killed. He is the great healer and only He can bring about miracles. It is ours to make something good of this travesty. I pray that Travis’ family and friends can find peace, and the forgiveness that passes ALL understanding. Helping others is the surest way of healing. I hope that some day Travis’ family and friends will be able to help others with awareness and prevention… that his untimely death would protect the life of another, and another, and another.
GraceintheHills says:
June 1, 2013 at 11:59 am
Correction to above post: Cluster B, not C.
susanm says:
June 1, 2013 at 11:52 am
Hi Susan, I heard one of the jurors say the jurors felt it was premeditated due to the planning; in particular, the gas cans. That coupled with her deliberately going off the grid while in Arizona convinced me.
Imo, based on all the evidence presented at trial, including JA’s own direct evidence while on the stand, it would appear that her admittedly single episode of amnesia during this murder was likely a self-serving amnesia of convenience. In forensic settings amnesia for the crime is one of the most commonly malingered mental states. In general, those who suffer real amnesia during trauma do not want to retrieve those memories, and are become visibly distressed when the topic is broached.
Yep, she says wouldn’t hurt a fly or spider, yet she almost decapitates a man?
Absolutely and thank you for addressing, Grace.
B
I just don’t see spending more money and time and family suffering on this woman convicted of
Prem murder 1
Let Perryville handle her I read they do mental evals
Lots of people knew how sick she was Chris said he was afraid for his children after she was listening
At the door to them talking to Travis about her
When his body was found his friends told the police they thought Jodi did it
Her parents interviews were revealing Some of her friends had tried to tell them she needed help
And we have heard her ourselves for 18 days
My dearest Malty I swear you are a savant.
B
@ GraceintheHills says:
June 1, 2013 at 11:59 am
I can’t help. I like him!
Thank you for clarifying the comorbidity thingy, Grace (you lil sweetie pie, you). Kudos to Dr. Drew on educating the public about brain illnesses. He’s genuine and so is his compassion for people who suffer from mental illness and related disorders.
@ Sue says:
June 1, 2013 at 11:17 am
Yes, I believe spiritual warfare is at play. Know thy enemy. I wouldn’t say JA is evil. The enemy loves nothing more than cracks to slither his way into the situation. Unfortunately, many like JA or who suffer from depression, are experiencing (imho) some form of spiritual attack. Certain things in life make us too vulnerable and the enemy has nothing but time on his hands.
Understanding the enemy and his m.o. #steal #kill #destroy He is the world’s oldest and most knowledgeable strategist.
I hope this link helps and I post with respect, in my service to the Lord:
http://www.tracts.com/StealkillBS.html
Peace. Joy. Love xo
You guys are still doing some awsome things regarding looking deep at Jodi and Travis.
Travis’s friends and family need to spend some time discussing what they think happened regarding the interactions between Travis and Jodi so that they can learn from them with the goal of preventing others from having bad experiences. There were things that could have been done about securing the house and alerting the people living there regarding Jodi’s activities. This is an important concept to learn and to teach others.
Thanks for all your safety concerns. I can tell you that this group of storms is different than I have ever seen. Cloud formations and wind patterns just are a new experience. I began to study weather in the late 1940′s and while I am not a professional, this is strange.
A new front from the NW this morning took temps into the middle fifties and winds were about 30mph along with light rain. Is it spring yet?
We are still in Omaha and drove over to Council Bluffs this morning for the graduation cermony at the mid-america center. About two hundred masters degrees and eight hundred bachlors degrees.
We will start back to Texas Sunday morning. Will be stopping in Ft. Worth to wellcome young William Gage into the world our 8th great grand child.
ATG- my sincere congratulations to you and Mrs. ATG on Master William Gage- and of course to his parents and your entire family.
The blessings are worth it all – are they not? Godpseed and please sneak in some yellow roses for the Grand lady who made this possible.
B
Suzanm says: did anyone else catch her spider comment ,she says it in the interrogation tapes and then in her allocution. to say it in her allocution must mean its pretty important to her. the saying is “wouldnt hurt a fly”,.darryl brewer also says it,but he says fly. interesting that she changes it to spider,i have heard of this in regards to the occult, is she waving her evil allegiance flag, there fore no remorse?
Graceinthehills says: Yep, she says wouldn’t hurt a fly or spider, yet she almost decapitates a man?
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[last lines of Psycho movie]
Norman Bates’ Mother: It is sad when a mother has to speak the words that condemn her own son. I can’t allow them to think I would commit murder. They’ll put him away now as I should have years ago. He was always bad and in the end he intended to tell them I killed those girls and that man, as if I could do anything but just sit and stare like one of his stuffed birds. They know I can’t move a finger and I want to just sit here and be quiet just in case they suspect me. They’re probably watching me. Well, let them. Let them see what kind of a person I am. I’m not even going to swat that fly. I hope they are watching… they’ll see. They’ll see and they’ll know, and they’ll say, “Why, she wouldn’t even harm a fly…”
Could that expression be something attributable to Psycho? Remember the famous shower scene? I’ve been looking further afield for explanation of this crime. Not just understanding of Arias but looking at what could influence Travis’ participation or reaction. For Arias it has been helpful to think in terms of psychopathy which would explain the lack of remorse and signals a look at careful planning. The crime may not have been as random as it appeared and she is probably deriving great satisfaction from reliving it. She knows Mr. Martinez has not fully unraveled the crime and she gets a laugh at his expense.
PamSpaz says:
June 1, 2013 at 11:43 am
Thanks for taking the time to read and for letting me know youd like to respond and that it will take awhile-
Please take your time- i look forward to continuing the conversation
susanm says:
June 1, 2013 at 11:52 am
hey susanm glad you found your way back-
no worries although i appreciate that you felt the need to clarify.
FWIW I like your style no matter what
You wrote:
i think this whole case was flavored in wrong sauce, hln was creepy,
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I agree the whole after dark thing was in extreme bad taste
You wrote:
does nancy grace thinks jodi has to pay for oj, o-word ,and her fiancee
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Yes and I think this is true for many- especially IRT C-word- i think Jodi may have had to deal with the backlash of C-word’s not guilty fiasco- as I think many were so determined that justice not be denied this time around -that perhaps they wanted JA to receive the harshest of punishments to sort of make-up for C-words slap on the wrist lying conviction
You wrote:
.vinnie politano was scary
,- i like vinnie and I think he was so glad to still have a job that he was overzealous in his show…
You wrote:
and all the women on dr. drews panel admitted soft stalking behavior,checking emails and little black books.
-I agree so much of Jodis actions were scriutinied to evilness-
Yes stalking is horrendous- but in truth was stalking proven in court? No
and yes she did check his phone etc- as you said many women and men do this especially those that come from parents who cheat-
we all know this and some admit to doing it at least once-
Yet for Jodi it seems this is a definite precursor to murder- and clearly that isnt true as she did show this bad behavior in previous relationships and openly admitted it yest those relationships did not end in a brutal killing
No I am not giving her a pass either she killed Travis and deserves punishment
Thats an interesting tidbit about the birthday susanm, I did not know that…
but I worry about making this connection and giving it meaning as there are many kids out there right now who share that birthday who certainly dont need the idea spread..
For those who share the birthday-
here is a list of others who also share the date- you are amongst some pretty notable people who never hurt a soul so dont feel bad
http://www.nndb.com/lists/708/000106390/
and just to put things into perspective further
http://geography.about.com/od/lists/a/sharebirthday.htm
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If your birthday is any day except February 29, you share your birthday with approximately 1/365 of any population (0.274%).
Therefore, since the world population as of this writing (November 04, 2011) is estimated at 7 billion you share your birthday with over 19 million people around the world (19,178,082).
AJMO Peace
jden says:
June 1, 2013 at 12:34 pm
Wow what a very articulate post- i am in awe- thankyou for your response
i dont have any of the answers jden but I am open to any course of action that we can take to possibly prevent another tragedy like this one
For many TA and Jas relationship has become a cautionary tale wouldnt it be nice to end the tale with the knowledge to stop this from ever happening again?
I did not and would not ever think you to be devoid of compassion jden just the opposite
You wrote:
God shed a tear with us the day that Travis was killed. He is the great healer and only He can bring about miracles. It is ours to make something good of this travesty. I pray that Travis’ family and friends can find peace, and the forgiveness that passes ALL understanding. Helping others is the surest way of healing. I hope that some day Travis’ family and friends will be able to help others with awareness and prevention… that his untimely death would protect the life of another, and another, and another.
-Yes- exactly
AJMO Peace
Malty says:
June 1, 2013 at 3:50 pm
I just don’t see spending more money and time and family suffering on this woman convicted of
Prem murder 1
Let Perryville handle her I read they do mental evals
Lots of people knew how sick she was Chris said he was afraid for his children after she was listening
At the door to them talking to Travis about her
When his body was found his friends told the police they thought Jodi did it
Her parents interviews were revealing Some of her friends had tried to tell them she needed help
And we have heard her ourselves for 18 days
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We all began this wondering the whys of this atrocity- we spent countless hours trying to figure out what went wrong what led JA to kill Travis we spent hour after hour analyzing the evidence the photos the camera
wondering if she acted alone or if she had help
discussing whther we thought her to be psychotic schizophrenic and so on
debating the experts findings the witness testimony the sequencing etc
and now just because she has been found guilty of Pre meditated murder
we should just let it go despite all the questions still remaining and we shouldnt want and need to figure the out the xs and/or all the rest of the facts of what made this woman suddenly kill a man?
Lots of people knew how sick she was Chris said he was afraid for his children after she was listening?
Her family maybe- and one friend which the mom discussed
but none of that was follwed up on or presented in court
Her mom said a friend called and then she wanted to bring her home
what friend was it travis who? why wasnt this person called to the stand?
At the door to them talking to Travis about her?
Who KNEW anything? all we have is hearsay after the fact- from persons who werent called to testify why not?
When his body was found his friends told the police they thought Jodi did it
yeah they did they seemed adamant- they were right- but the reasons why they were right may not have been correct as travis was lying to them about Jodi
According to travis they had no relationship- nothing he wanted nothing to do with her…He was still leading her on the sex tape proves that
And we have heard her ourselves for 18 days
yeah we heard from her and like most defendants who take the stand she was her own worst enemy-
But what or how does any of what she said negate the need to know the facts and diagnosis and all the rest?
My dearest Malty I swear you are a savant.
B
I think Malty is very smart too and I am right there saying so
Honestly Blink? I am astounded that you would agree w malty..to think you believe getting the diagnosis right before sentencing or thinking there is no need to study and learn from these perps after the sentence has been handed down – How can this be after learning so much from case studies in your courses which you impart and apply here on your blog daily maybe I am misunderstanding it wouldnt be the first time.
AJMO Peace
Respectfully Mom 3.0 I think you are interpreting my comment incorrectly. Malty has a way of simplifying issues in a few sentences and getting right to the point. I am an analyst and don’t have that skill and never will- I take nothing at face value and have to have a zillion corroborators for everything and sometimes it occurs to me our intuition about people and events is really mostly correct at the onset. Because of what I do I am obligated to do the rest, just interesting that we end up at the same place is what I was referring to.
In a group discussion I attend for a training requirement at school we spent last session exploring first reaction strategies. As an example a person presents a scenario and I had to give my first reaction in a word, then work through “substantiating” that reaction or the how do I arrive at that scenario? It is in essence designed to put us in touch with our root causes if you will- at the end of the day we are all pretty much fear-based decision makers, lol, however- I always take the longest and the feedback is that I analyze myself like I do my work, or using profile techniques or scales and I need to be more “present” and less like I am putting data into a computer waiting for it to spit out what I should be better in touch with. I am not creating personal and professional boundary lines.
(Ps. Doesn’t that sound like a blast- spending hours with people of the Berkley-set giving you feedback about you? LOL- I also learned I would have been a LOUSY hippie- duh!)
I guess that is what I am really talking about and I find wonderfully refreshing about Malty- she can just be so very present all the time, it seems.
And in group we are not allowed to discuss careers or academic backgrounds (outside of the leaders who are the Ivy League blue bloods) so I cannot even say- please read blink by Malcolm Gladwell where you will learn all bout me, like I did, chop chop.
I did offer that I speak lovingly to my rose bushes and other plantings so that should count for some presence
B
Blink and Company, how I have to thank you for your thoughtful analysis, witticism at the most NEEDED times and TRUE advocacy!
super busy with back-to-back productions and a company recital as well, so no posting, but have been reading EVERY evening, late…
Blink and all, have any of you read Dr.Randle’s blog about Jodi. She seems spot on to me.
Oddly, MONTHS AGO, I did see the psycho-movie scene in the shower, matched to Trav in shower-pics. I was a little creeped out, but thought it a stretch then. Yesterday, I read the last line of the movie was about a spider?? Hm. Gotta check that out tonight, LATE!!
Thanks to ALL for your insight and wisdom. TRULY gets me thru some STRESSful moments in this world…
If life’s a stage and we are merely players, I wish you all a relaxing intermission and a final curtain with all of your loved ones as the LIGHT!!
fluffy, yes, unlike me, yes, but I have been HELPED thru the evils of the world by perspective gained here since Morgan… and I applaud you all. xoxo
Mom3.0
Thank you so much for your time, thoughts and interest in what my thoughts are. Much appreciation and respect for you as well as the other posters here.
Sorry if this is a hard read. I had lost about a page or so and then just decided to copy your comments and respond with additional thoughts (but not all lol)
you wrote:
Agreed I do not think we can ever get the full truth but I would hope we can all agree to strive to that-
especially in determining a diagnosis
and i agree a defendant needs to have rights as they are innocent – DEFINITE yes criminals can lie and often do but attorneys should be presenting facts especially IRT mental health
Why especially mental health and determining a diagnosis with respect to truth and facts?
I think we should strive for the truth not especially or with more weight given to mental health, but in every area. To me the path to the truth and the path to a proper diagnosis are not the same but can possibly intersect.
Not all criminals including murderers have mental illness and likewise not all people with mental illness become criminals. As for the truth and what is presented in court, we should not be allowing defendants to make claims against the victim without any proof at all like we had in this case. You (or another poster) stated that we should not be pitting one expert against another with the intent of winning. I completely agree with this and also agree that there does need to be a proper diagnosis with respect to mental health. I am just not so sure it should be the burden of the justice system to obtain an indepth analysis, to me this should occur before that if we are talking about educating and prevention. Before I continue, I just want to say also that I do not think there would have been any analysis/diagnosis in this case if not for the defense trying to support the fog. Your analogy with respect to heart attacks gave me a better understanding of where you were coming from with respect to prevention. But with hearts, it serves the same function and operates the same in all of us. It is genetics and lifestyle that are different and this is where we learn and prevent. Provided people heed the warnings and take the advice in order to prevent. This is not always the case. With mental health, there are many different diagnosis, not to mention other varying factors and to me no two people even with the same diagnosis will follow in the same path. Not sure I am expressing my thoughts clearly on this so if there is confusion I completely understand lol. There is already knowledge with respect to behaviors in diagnosis, so the prevention needs to come from educating the parents/caregivers and the public as a whole. This needs to be done long before or even if the justice system becomes involved. As in your heart analogy, a series of questions are asked wrt family history, symptoms etc. to make a diagnosis, treat etc. Possibly when going to the doctor, the questions can include those that relate to mental health so that the dr. can recommend being seen by someone that can analyize and treat that at that stage. This to me would be more of a preventive measure than studying a criminal after the fact. Can you tell I have so many thoughts? lol. Wish I could articulate them as well as you and others.
you wrote
I was speaking Mostly mental health but yes in broader sense I spoke to the truth of the crime also because one effects the other do they not?
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To me only if the crime was committed because of the mental health. As I mentioned above not all criminals have mental illness and not all people with mental illness commit crimes.
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you wrote
if the truth is she did suffer from DID then isnt it at least more likely that she was telling the truth about not remembering about blacking out – and if that is the case then that also could possibly effect the cruelty factor as – if shot first he could have been rendered unconscious etc
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Even with a diagnosis of DID and nothing else changes than I do not think I would believe she truly had a blackout and would stick with my previous opinion that it was a matter of convenience, to save her reputation and how people view her. My reason why is because there is no other instance of memory loss or blackout. So there is no pattern of this behavior. If there had been a previous diagnosis of DID and a history of blackouts/memory loss then I would be more inclined to believe her testimony re forgetting. I did put aside the sybil effect, when you first posted about the DID. But if she did have DID and this was another personality than I would think the entire murder would be a blackout and not just the most heinous acts of same. I realize that statement does not seem like I put aside the sybil effect, but we only have the one instance of memory loss.
Thanks again for your posts and giving me so much to ponder. We shall be on overload together.
Malty boils things down to their essence. She’d make a great jury picking consultant. I find it helpful in a teaching blog where any well intended member is welcome to advance one’s own ideas or wondering rather than deconstructing others’, though I find those with posts critiquing other posts do so well intended and consteuctively. Malty’s posts are poetry imo.
The jury foreman & 3 colleagues are prime examples of needing no professional psych evidence to concluded by the nature & steps taken of the crime & the self-presentation (for 18 days) of the accused to conclude (1) mental illness played a role, (2) some aspects of the crime are unexplained, to be unwilling to vote death. Sometimes, like porn, jurors just knows it when they sees it.
my take is diagnosis in a criminal case is useful only to prove out an ngri plea, or a defense, or a mitigator. It’s purpose in society is to guide & refine treatment, and diagnoses can change in response to treatment. And of course for insurance codes or to obtain govt disability services.
sorry for all my bad grammar & run-ons
grace in the hills ,i had a disclaimer on my earlier posts that i missed some of the prosecution direct,but what if she stole it ,to take on the road trip,girl alone on the road ,same with the gas cans , i have a bit of doubt that it proven beyond a reasonable doubt. here’s why , what if she took the gun , cuz she’s a girl alone on the highway, i am not positive that when she took it she knew she was going to kill travis with it. what if she wanted her naked pics off his computer and was gonna hold the gun on him ,if she had to. i wanted to hear ballistics that said the bullet came fron a box purchased in northern cali. ,ballistics cant do that? you can trace a coke bottle to a store , but you cant trace a bullet. i wanted to hear about the house robbery, i understand the grandparents might be to ill to take the stand but a statement could have been read , as to who noticed the gun gone? would her grandfather have noticed it gone ,if she would’ve borrowed it and returned it ? what about the officer who took the report , did he think it strange,how was jodi acting . is it just reverse pyschology that she would report the gun stolen and then kill someone with it . it doesnt make sense. i needed a forensic pathologist to explain alot of things ,from a criminal mind aspect. just because you take a gun and use it doesnt mean you knew you would use it. the gas could be just that ,a weird tic , a girl alone on the freeway feels safer.i know people who take a filled gas can on road trips,,one gas can. i on board with the assumption , i am not sure martinez covered the points i was looking for,the milage of the car , the mileage of the trip, the whole braekdown of the gas . martinez punched the 3rd gas can , but i wanted to hear that the gas was enough to avoid stopping, yet i heard that she did stop at gas stations, the flying something,and the gas station she discarded items . i missed that part but of the trial ,but i dont think it was discussed ,the way i needed it to be put together , it was also said she did put the gas in her tank somewhere in utah , i know to where and what time, i couldnt find out , so while i get the preponderance of assumption, i had a bit of doubt ,that it was proven .a juror question , did the math ,with the receipts (but only in regards to the third gas can ). ,i couldnt believe the prosecution didnt.a texas grandfather attempted to do the gas milage math . i didnt see a follow up.bbut what i was actually saying but didnt convey , is that the 3-4 sec premeditation, made all that moot. i would have loved a pathology lesson on that 3-4 sec premeditation.
Ragdoll says: Yes, I believe spiritual warfare is at play. Know thy enemy. I wouldn’t say JA is evil. The enemy loves nothing more than cracks to slither his way into the situation. Unfortunately, many like JA or who suffer from depression, are experiencing (imho) some form of spiritual attack. Certain things in life make us too vulnerable and the enemy has nothing but time on his hands.
Ragdoll – I know how spiritual you are from some of your posts. I am too. I have to say however that the argument that the enemy, who is the devil, slithers his way into a situation, provides too much of an excuse for JA and others like her to blame outside forces for their evil deeds to others. To place responsibility back on her, I would prefer to think that it is SHE – JA who is DEVOID of God or light. She studied to become Mormon, and she tweets spiritual quotes stolen from others, but she does not have God in her soul or heart. She is a shell, with a disordered brain that has dismissed God from her life, and she made choices contrary to what is God.
For me, saying she does not carry God or light in her soul, places the blame back on her shoulders for making the evil choice of brutally snuffing the light out TA. If it is not evil and darkness – then what is it? I don’t want to say the devil made her do it. It is taking the blame away from JA. She is devoid of light. For me the light is God, but for others who don’t believe in a higher power, they still carry light and goodness and respect others.
So many prisoners find their way to God in prison. The truth of the soul is most vibrant when confined without pre-occupation and possessions from the outside world. It is when they return to society that they are tested. Can they keep the light in their souls and maintain a relationship with God on the outside? Perhaps JA can get over herself in prison, and find the true meaning of life. Then perhaps the light will enter and fill the void of darkness within her soul.
I thank you for your response. You are true blue and I appreciate that.
@Inda
“The crime may not have been as random as it appeared and she is probably deriving great satisfaction from reliving it. She knows Mr. Martinez has not fully unraveled the crime and she gets a laugh at his expense.”
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In one of the interrogation videos she was more concerned about her make-up and coming up with an outlandish alibi. I believe she feels perfectly justified in what she did to Travis. The gall to smirk at the prosecutor…unbelievable..she’s earned her way to death row.
Ragdoll says:
June 1, 2013 at 5:15 pm
@GraceintheHills says:
June 1, 2013 at 11:59 am
Ragdoll says, “I can’t help. I like him!”
He has been educating the public since he was a resident in internal medicine, and he is generally good at what he does.
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@Ragdoll, I agree. Drew is very likeable and genuine.
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That said, during the past five months, imo, all the nightly programs on HLN became freaky side shows at Circus Arias. There were no clear teaching moments regarding the expert testimony. Instead, for me, these programs and their talking heads had the feel of an informal gathering at a friend’s house with everyone talking and laughing about the weird, scary neighbor. Interesting and engaging maybe, but not very informative. JMHO.
I totally agree with that Grace. Most especially that debacle on the HLN after dark with the lawyers and the fake plastic knives and closet set ups dragging a dummy. I was embarrassed for them. I was embarrassed that they made me agree with Baden and Baez, lol- but it was what it was.
I am all about the moral- the lesson, the way to prevent and dependent upon the audience, other educational cues.
There are 2 references I would like to offer to anyone seeking to learn more about why the media covers cases they way they do in most cases.
1. The Murder Business- Mark Fuhrman
2. HBO series “Newsroom”. When I say that I have been a huge fan of Jeff Daniels since Dumb and Dumber- please don’t write me off, lol, I can still recite it- but I openly admit to marriage approved “mancrush” on him from that series as a journalist and broadcaster. I mention it as a reference because the series imitates real life news so brilliantly- and the interruptions to the hard hitting day to day stuff because the ratings slide for non-coverage of the Cword are priceless. The art imitated the life here, but did so brilliantly and mercilessly, imo.
I am a fan of Dr. Drew, I have seen some of his work on teen sexuality, dependency and most was really ground breaking at the time- I
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the public need with Jody what the public has now with Sandusky,
post-sentence silence from same & his attorneys & supporters.
Fastest route now imo is not death penalty but lwop like Sandusky.
I’m probably the only one on the planet who doesn’t think Jodi killed Travis.It all clicked together after the trial when the media brainwashing stopped and I could think more clearly That picture in Travis’ eye has me thinking. Can’t quite shake it. I think he thought Jodi had left, but she reappeared and started taking pictures of him. Just my interpretaion, but it is a look of annoyance turning to fear. I think the killer(“ninja”) was coming in the room and Travis sat down in the shower in a desperate attempt to avoid the knifejabs, but when he got up he was hit with the one to the major blood vessel. He ran down the hall and fell where the fatal throat slice happened The gunshot happened last. He may have already been dead I’ve seen pictures of other women killers and when hearing the evidence had no trouble believing they did it, so I don’t think it is entirely because it’s a case of a female accused of killing a male why I’m having trouble believing she did it
Mary- take me to your leader.
B
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfhWphJmGww last tango in paris ending scene
@Rose—you hit the nail on the head, Malty’s posts are akin to
Haiku, and I for one look forward to them!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz1ctsFu6bU&feature=youtu.be
This is very well done and really something to see.
Rose writes, June 2 at 2:37 p.m.:
…..Fastest route now imo is not death penalty but lwop like Sandusky.
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Problem:
The only SWIFT way to LWOP will be if State and Defenes agree to Arias plea as such
To GUARENTEE LWOP for Arias, at this point,
Arias must demand it
her Atty’s must ask for it
Martinez/Montgomerey must agree to it.
Otherwise we are left with the options:
1.Second Jury
A. This 2nd jury can vote for DP
1). If the jury votes DP, that is the sentence. Then, there will be an automatic appeal. Average time from DP sentence to death is between 12 and 25 years.
B. This jury can vote for Life
1). The judge will then decide if it is LWOP or life with possibility of parole.
C,This jury can deadlock.
1). If the second Jury deadlocks, the Judge will then decide the final sentence. HOWEVER, in the event that the second Jury deadlocks, the judge may NOT impose the death penalty. If the second jury deadlocks, the judge makes the decision between life with chance of parole , or LWOP.
Now, I am NOT a lawyer, I have done this research by accessing what is available on line for Arizona law.
But it does look like there is a long long way to go IF State and Arias do not agree that she will take LWOP.
The defense has been denied their motion to take the DP off the table. So it is still possible that a second jury would give Arias DP. That is a gamble Arias is faced with. I am beginning to think the LWOP sentence would be more restrictive than DP, because DP guarantees an appeal. And that is precisely why I think that Arias will not go for a plea of LWOP.
btw, all. Blink’s theory and supplemental information about the camera memory cards was lifted and incorporated into theory on pro Arias site .
@ Sue says:
June 2, 2013 at 1:36 pm
I love your post and you are sooooooo right! My post comes across like I’m giving her a pass. I apologize….I’m not always great at being articulate with my point. I missed that crucial detail. Thank you for catching it xo
When it comes to temptation of any kind, the Lord ALWAYS provides a way out, for us. Jodi made a blatant decision to kill Travis. She had time to reconsider her choice and resist. Unfortunately, that dark place within her seems to have more influence. She’s made references about ‘her Maker’ and ‘my God’. She gets the truth. Her brain does, anyways. I can’t speak for her heart and soul. As we witnessed during the trial, she has profound knowledge of the Book on Mormon. She highlighted parts of the book she believed would testify to her character. She twisted the truth. Interestingly enough, she didn’t talk about remorse, repentence…..oh, but she knew Travis was in a much better place, no thanks to her! She used the Mormon faith for her own purpose, hoping the jury would buy into her non existent spirituality. She needs to be reminded that God TRULY knows her heart.
Isaiah 29:13
And the Lord said: “Because this people draw near with their mouth and honor me with their lips, while their hearts are far from me, and their fear of me is a commandment taught by men,
Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
James 1:26
If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person’s religion is worthless.
Thank you for supplementing my comment! Spiritual warfare is not an excuse to make your own rules. If she truly follows God and abides by the Living Word, Travis would be alive. None of us are perfect and are sinful by nature. We all fall short from the His Grace. I just don’t believe JA has any genuine affection or respect for the Truth.
You’re a kindred spirit, Sue. Your faith and kindness is a beacon, especially for me. God bless you, sister friend! xo
Posted with respect and AJMHO
@who…
Any sane attorney or sane convicted murderer would know no Judge in the State of AZ will sentence Arias to life with parole possibility. So Jury trial 2 has 2 outcome possibilities only: death or lwop. So what sane defendant would not take death off the table and BEG for lwop plea deal? After all, it may be 25 years of appeals but execution will inevitably come. The only convict in these circumstances who would not tell her attorneys to plead lwop would be a Borderline who loves chaos imo.
Rose says: I feel the shot must’ve been first to slow & disable his prowess.
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I know this must be right but I have so much difficulty accepting that he couldn’t have done something to prevent her attack. Someday I’ll get some closure about it; until then I’ll probably wonder.
whodunnit says:
June 2, 2013 at 6:48 pm
btw, all. Blink’s theory and supplemental information about the camera memory cards was lifted and incorporated into theory on pro Arias site .
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Is this why JM agreed to not contest “camera guy expert” that JA was not holding a weapon in the iris shot? He did not want any more discussion by experts on the stand in regards to the pictures etc. I have a feeling that Blink’s article was a wake up call that the state did not get it right. Shame on them.
Up front: sorry for the long post, this includes only my opinions, roll and scroll at your leisure..
Inda says:
June 2, 2013 at 1:25 am
Suzanm says: did anyone else catch her spider comment ,she says it in the interrogation tapes and then in her allocution. to say it in her allocution must mean its pretty important to her. the saying is “wouldnt hurt a fly”,.darryl brewer also says it,but he says fly. interesting that she changes it to spider,i have heard of this in regards to the occult, is she waving her evil allegiance flag, there fore no remorse?
Could that expression be something attributable to Psycho? Remember the famous shower scene?
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There was a reference Arias made in interrogation with Flores that whenever she found a spider in the bathtub she would put it in a cup and take it outside. Daryll Brewer gave a post allocution, pre verdict interview and said exactly basically same thing. I think that Arias assumed that the jury saw some or all of that, or had expected Brewer to testify to that when she ( they) wrote her allocution, and that is why she included the equivalent of ” I wouldn’t hurt a fly”. (Dont know how spiders relate to the occult, or how mentioning this would show no remorse though)
Rose says:
June 2, 2013 at 10:12 pm
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Rose, I agree, one would think no sane judge would give Arias life with parole, but at this point , well, I still think hard to count chickens before they hatch!
And I have always thought that Arias has purposely skewed so much in talking about that day, to obscure other facts that would incriminate, left out key info, in order to ” confess” to something she didnt do, believing there was enough confusion to get her off.
If she admitted to the fact that she was not invited, or that she did anything weird with the memory cards, or where she parked her car, why the window screen was off, the process of cleaning up- it would have been too incriminating. I think she just left out all the incriminating facts period, as Martinez stressed.
And I don’t know why the State didnt draw attention to the fact that they had over 80 THOUSAND texts and emails to sift through, to come up with just a few that were condemning, and only to Travis.
If Travis would have really been in an abusive relationship, he would not have written that stuff. Abusers are very good at making sure their tracks are covered. Abusers depend on the fact that their victims do not tell anyone about the abuse.He was writing an auto biograpghy, He knew the power of the written word, and was in the process of using written words to tell people who he was. He knew the difference between writing a book and sending a text. And in his ” abusive texts” he refers to the fact that she is not reading what he had sent to her previously.Btw, where is the email, letter whatever, he is referring to?
If Travis had suspicions that Arias would use the texts against him in any way, and if he was truly abusing her I maintain he would not have written them. It is impossible that within 80,000 plus texts and emails, there is not one communciation from Arias that presents her disappointment in the relationship, or in him. Baffling. I believe that anytime there was any conflict with Travis, Arias was the one who begged forgiveness and would not let go. I beleive that , just like he states in his May 26 letter, he gave Arias “24 hours to fess up” and she did not. I beleive that he cut off all communication with her at THAT point ( may 27)
Between June 1 and 3, Arias made ten phone calls to Travis cell phone each lasting under 90 seconds.. Then near midnite on June 3, their were two from Tarvis to Arias, one brief and one longer, around 12 minutes, perhaps signifying a conversation, or perhaps could have been a looooong voice mail. Question:
Why didn’t she email Travis after may 26th, or text him when he didnt answer phone between June 1-3?
My guess: because she knew she would get no response from a text or email, and her only chance of reaching him was to catch him on the phone. if he didn’t pick up the phone, the only way to reach him was to show up at his house. We have no proof of what he said or did from June 3-4th , period. And scant evidence was offered for what he was doing between May 27 and June 4th. I think that she had already formulated killing him, and that the phone calls and trip there was to give him a chance, instead of her version, which was that all was fine and what happened on June 4th was heat of passion or whatever. (It’s possible she arrived and gave him a chance to live or die, and he thought she was kidding- TOTAL conjecture on my part, but a this point, just thought I would toss it in)
In a post allocution, pre sentencing interview, when asked what she thought would happen when she went to Travis house, Arias says twice ” I thought we would just hang out for the day, like we always did”
Well, they never ” just hung out”- her testimony was that they only got together for sex.
By her account, she arrived at 4 a.m. and they both slept til around 1:30 p.m.. That is not hanging out.
She knew she Ryan was expecting her on June 4th-, she could have just as easily woken up and gone to Ryan’s. The point is she wanted more than hanging out, and she is not admitting it.
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Ode says:
June 3, 2013 at 8:19 am
Is this why JM agreed to not contest “camera guy expert” that JA was not holding a weapon in the iris shot? He did not want any more discussion by experts on the stand in regards to the pictures etc. I have a feeling that Blink’s article was a wake up call that the state did not get it right. Shame on them.
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I think Martinez agreed to the stipulation because he knew that out of twelve jurors, they could come to any conclusion they wanted with regards to what was seen in the iris, and what that meant. By agreeing to stipulate that Arias did not appear to be holding a weapon in her hands when the close up of Travis was taken, he was able to eliminate opening the whole can of worms.
If State had suspicions that the memory cards were used in a weird way, they may have lacked forensic analysis to prove it beyond reasonable doubt, and may have felt it would give the jury too much to think about, when their case was simply, Arias did this heinous crime and lied about it. As Blink posits, the memory card issue may come up on appeal, but how would that change what she ultimately did. Still points to pre med, and she was proven guilty of that.
To me States biggest fail was lack of blood spatter analysis that would give a clearer picture to what actually took place and sequence. In OJ trial, they brought in a man that was credited with being the best blood splatter expert in the country…. in Pinellas county fiasco, they even brought in a guy who had cans of ” death scent air” from the trunk of the car- but in this case, for forensics,except for a person consulted pre trail , they didnt go outside of Flores and Horn, and Martinez summation of what happened. Could that be the same type of hubris that was shown in Pinellas county case, where they assumed no juror could avoid connectingthe dots seeing CA guilt? And yes, I do agree that the backlash of OJ and CA trila could have affected this jury in terms of wanting to do their full duty with circumstantial evidence, but the ability to actually committ to DP was more than those four jurors could handle philosophically.
I dont put it past Arias to come up with ANOTHER version of the murder before this is all over.
She went from not there, to intruders, to long standing abuse, to heat of passion- heat of passion tacked on at last minute. Would be surprised but not amazed if she goes back to intruder story before she dies.
Quirky, my sister just reminded me that Travis Alexander was born on my husband’s birthday and died on my birthday….strange huh.
jden says:
June 2, 2013 at 6:38 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz1ctsFu6bU&feature=youtu.be
This is very well done and really something to see.
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Very good indeed
I wish the state had had something like this to show the murder sequence. In OJ case, they did use computer generated graphics to illustrate the state’s theory of the crime.
When all is said and done, Jodi Arias is a “dirty bird”.
whodunnit,i thought maybe she givin a shout out to the dark side.she might of been threating the jurors -if they killed her ,they’d get a spider curse,just kidding. i just looked it up ,itseems a variety of superstitions- they foretell money,or luck or if you kill them ,they are revengeful,and their family members will find you- i dont know the psycho reference. alot of the females -its said- eat their mates after sex, maybe juror 8 is right -she wanted to be the last one he had sex with . which made me laugh,i dont know maybe she’s right. but seriously , jodi’s mom , said ,in the tapes-a guy called in the middle of the night saying jodi was having mental problems so bad that he called a bi polar hotline- she says -” thats why we brought her back to yreka ” .after having been, living on her own ,for so long , having that four year break up with d.brewer ,losing her house,she gets into a bad romance and has a mental breakdown(what were the details i wonder),and being taken back home to live with grandparents ,i think ,the entire thing, ,could be the result of that breakdown that night.i agree she could have mixed illness(her eyes are crazy in her driver’s liscense photo ,taken 2004), i think her defense could have been temporary insanity /diminished capacity starting the night of the breakdown. martinez reminded me of al pacino in devil’s advocate.
mary says:
June 2, 2013 at 2:44 pm
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This site has been very thorough in looking at all sides of the evidence presented in the trial as well as evidence that can be accessed on line. This site has posters who refer to legal sites, Arizona law, diagnostic manuals, as well as people on this site who can offer expertise in many different fields that allow posters to site references and offer opinions.
If you have questions, ( you refer to believing that Arias was unable to accomplish this crime because she was a woman), this site can offer you perpesctives, with literally hundreds of posts. Simply click back to ” older posts” as well as other sources on this site . Good luck with your theories, we are all equally engaged!
lyla,
i had a similar experience with the evil c-word… sorry if this is o/t but I was very very emotionally invested in that case. Caylee’s birthday is the same as several of my close relatives (mom, brother and cousin..they all have the same bday), She was murdered (if the date given was accurate) on my husbands bday, and her remains were found on my sons bday. it made me very sad
Today is Travis anniversary in heaven.
Yes ma’am it is. God Bless TDaug.
B
Eloise says:
June 4, 2013 at 7:38 pm
Today is Travis anniversary in heaven.
Yes ma’am it is. God Bless TDaug.
B
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Anniversaries like this are always difficult. Remembering his family and friends in my prayers.
“Eloise says:
June 4, 2013 at 7:38 pm
Today is Travis anniversary in heaven.
Yes ma’am it is. God Bless TDaug.
B”
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Taken way too soon. I know Travis wants peace for his family.
From Steven Alexander..breaks my heart. I pray for healing no matter what happens to Jodi.
http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_southeast_valley/mesa/travis-alexanders-brother-remembers-travis-on-5th-year-anniversary-of-his-death
more time to ruminate as we await what happens next
questions:
1. Does anyone recall any mention of Travis wallet?
2. Did Arias give any testimony about where she parked her car?
3. Does anyone know if the washing machine is near an exit door?
4. Does anyone know if the kitchen counter where the phone was left was near washer, or was near the window with the screen missing?
@Lyla
Thanks for posting Steven Alexander’s words.
He touches me
I hope he is enjoying his child durning this break
And getting his strength back for the next round
No matter what I think about all this
I would like to find healing and the right answers for the Alexanders
whodunnit says:
June 4, 2013 at 11:27 pm
more time to ruminate as we await what happens next
questions:
1. Does anyone recall any mention of Travis wallet?- not sure if it was in office??
2. Did Arias give any testimony about where she parked her car?
3. Does anyone know if the washing machine is near an exit door?
4. Does anyone know if the kitchen counter where the phone was left was near washer, or was near the window with the screen missing?
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2. JA testified she pulled right into the center of the driveway, the roomates have no recall of her car being there.
3.The washer is located right off the garage- which would be an exit
4. There is a little hallway the has the half bath/office/washroom/garage right off kitchen- the screen that was off appears to be off what would possibly be the office window.
1. No mention of his actual wallet I am aware of, but his credit card (or ATM debit/credit) was found on his desk and his DL was also recovered but it’s designation within the home was not mentioned.
B
From Radar Online:
“Jodi Arias‘ lawyers called her “a mentally ill woman who has no prior criminal history,” in response to Maricopa County Attorney Bill Montgomery’s vow to continue seeking the death penalty with a second jury after the first could not decide her fate.
“If the diagnosis made by the State’s psychologist is correct, the Maricopa County Attorney’s Office is seeking to impose the death penalty upon a mentally ill woman who has no prior criminal history,” Kirk Nurmi and Jennifer Willmott told The Arizona Republic in a statement Tuesday. “Despite Mr. Montgomery’s recent statements to the media, it is not incumbent upon Ms. Arias’ defense counsel to resolve this case.
PHOTOS: Jodi Arias In Shackles, Prison Stripes And Full Make Up
“Instead, the choice to end this case sits squarely with Mr. Montgomery and his office.”
Arias’ legal team added that the onus is on Montgomery to suss out whether a long and expensive battle to put her on death row “is a good and proper use of taxpayer resources.”
After a months-long trial that captivated the country’s attention with its’ lurid details of sex, obsession and violence, Arias, 32, was convicted of first-degree murder May 8 in the brutal 2008 killing of her former lover, Travis Alexander.
PHOTOS: Never Before Seen Photos Of Jodi Arias
A new jury will be selected for the penalty phase, with a retrial date of July 18. Should the second panel deadlock, Judge Sherry Stephens will then hand Arias a sentence of life in prison or 25 years with the eligibility of parole. (The death penalty would not be an option in that scenario.)”
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/06/jodi-arias-mentally-ill-death-penalty-lawyer/
Blink thanks for the clarification- I told you I may have misunderstood..
I too value maltys ability to summarize rather than convolute and I certainly can understand your finding it refreshing as a moderator to read a poster who is able to succinctly write what others (like me) complicate with too many words
I wish I could write more like malty
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Malty, I sincerely hope you did not take offense to my questioning Blinks stance via your post
My intention was never to call into question your style or contributions. As Rose/susan eastman so beautifully articulated your posts are poetry- wonderful haikus-
Im finding the need to defend my posting style- so please bear with me- i am truly sorry Malty and all if I made anyone feel as if they needed to defend their thoughts and opinions or style by sharing my differing opinions or by expounding on a particular subject or view.
My posts are not intended to be a deconstruction or a critique of any poster- I welcome all thoughts opinions perspectives. My responses are meant to further the dialogue not shut it down.
As i have said, I do not wish to bolster my opinions as right and others as wrong-
The posting of my perspectives was in no way meant to call a poster out- or put anyone on the spot and they were never meant to convey the idea that any poster or reader must covert to my way of thinking
Carry on
AJMO
Peace
@Mom 3.0
What happened?
I was surprised you were even paying attention to an old cranky ladie like me
I am out spoken
But I just dread seeing the Alexander family going threw pain with another trial
None of your posts inspired mine
Ignore me
Your posts are well thought out and the mental issue is being talked about today
Malty I am not Mom3.0, as you know, but I feel she will not mind ( and will say if she does) I have come to know her pretty well. I am very fond of her personally- but I respect her intellectually even more.
Her post was about my inartful way of making my point, and she was right as far as that was concerned, to call me out. Which she does, when appropriate, and I would not have it any other way lol.
You be you. She be She. We be We. It is all in the name of advocacy.
B
So Blink could not be a “hippy”! I can put my finger on the reason. Her “Popa” gave her the ability to look at things as they are and she could never live in a make believe world that hippys populate. Mom and dad did the rest.
I know a lot of those “Berkley” people. Some are great, but some are off in “LaLa” land.
The more Blink practices the use of her experience, the more she will be able to quickly find the real path to a situation. Proving it or disproving it will lead to insights that will make accuracy become second nature. This will lead to a situation where one does not need every bit of the information to form an opinion that is close to the whole. It is like troubleshooting a process.