Jodi Arias Trial Verdict IS IN: GUILTY Of MURDER In The Slaying Of Travis Alexander
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Phoenix, AZ- In the 4 month long trial of Jodi Ann Arias for the murder of her brief boyfriend Travis Victor Alexander, the jury deliberating since last Friday has arrived at a verdict in her case. Arias was found guilty of the pre-meditated murder of Travis Alexander on June 4th, 2008.
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@whodunit. “was a result of her wanting to clean up everything, and purposeful,”
She def has a purposeful, cleanup MO.
Imo Nurmi has to argue any & all even if fanciful
anti-DP matters to (teehee) bulletproof the future verdict,
tho naive Jodi likely demands that sort of thing.
@Blink. Have you revealed, up threads, a public opinion re J Martinez?
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/mesa/2014/10/16/jodi-arias-retrial-thursday-death-penalty/17376953/
Nurmi’s requests don’t seem unreasonable.
heh?
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Ever since Blink indicated this case is going to be filled with the appellate plague, I’ve tuned it out. This won’t be over for a long time….but for now, I’m satisfied she’s in prison. Youth is fleeting, especially in prison
We all know how much she loves her looks.
What is your opinion of Juan Martinez’
style of litigation in terms of
the likelihood he’ll convince jurors to vote the DP?
The article above suggests he has genuine issues of
failing to comply with providing evidence to be
litigated to Defense Counsel timely.
If the DP is unlikely, why is he taking 2 montgs for a redo?
Press or altruism? I know nothing about him, really.
I think that DP cases for a prosecutor who overtly disdain the defendant and the defense counsel should be litigated by a different ADA- especially one wrought with appellate issues, which, this one has or Stephens would not have insisted Nurmi stay on. She will get LWOP.
Arias’s problem is that she has demonstrated a profound ability to eff with her own counsel. Dershowitz is not getting out of bed for an impossible client whose freedom or retrial would do nothing positive for jurisprudence. At the end of the day- she did this to Travis. Every seedy and shady thing normal people cannot even contemplate. Did it happen the way Martinez said? Hell no. And I am a staunch proponent of the prosecution being able to meet their burden fairly, effectively and within the bounds of rules of criminal process and procedure- definitely.
Today began the re trial of State vs Jodi Arias
We have a younger jury than previously consisting of 12 women and 6 men. Juror 82 whose sister-in-law knew #JodiArias during childhood has made it on [the jury]!
The State vs Jodi Arias ~ Travis Alexander murder trial
5 hours ago- facebook
Nurmi, in opening: The tale of this relationship is of infinite sadness… She’s now in a position of facing at least the rest of her life in prison. It’s up to you to write the final chapter – to determine the sentence of the woman Travis Alexander loved, Jodi Arias.
c/- Beth Karas
https://www.facebook.com/Justice4Travis?fref=nf
http://www.fox10phoenix.com/clip/10743850/jodi-arias-sentencing-retrial-begins#.VEb8MfKM34I.facebook video
Holy Cow—
These people are a trip!!
The State vs Jodi Arias ~ Travis Alexander murder trial
58 mins · Edited ·
***** BREAKING *****
Juror approached Beth Karas during mid-morning break.
The juror [whose sister-in-law knew #JodiArias in childhood] approached Beth Karas during the break and asked if she was Nancy Grace.
Karas testified that the juror may have heard the interview she was giving. Judge and lawyers are discussing whether to dismiss or keep.
https://www.facebook.com/
OMFG. Mistrial. Stephens is going to need an oxygen tank until this is over, lol. This is why she never should have ruled against cameras.
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Nancy Grace @NancyGraceHLN · 4m 4 minutes ago
Juror #9 excused. #JodiArias
IMHO:
The State must be very clear to illustrate the difference between having the attributes of BPD without meeting the criteria for a diagnosis of BPD as a lifelong mental illness.
Martinez went for “stabbing” his own
Med Examiner witness
without preparing him.
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Whodunit you are correct on that bpd differentiation
(attributes vs lifelong mental illness), but it
doesn’t look like Martinez is trying this case on technical
grounds wrt Defense arguments.
Oh my dear- where might that diddy be found? Is this Rob Lowe-Horn, lol?
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the same
from HuffPost.
“Earlier Wednesday, the jury heard gruesome details about the violent killing of Alexander during testimony by Dr. Kevin Horn, of the Maricopa County Medical Examiner’s office.
…. While questioning Horn, prosecutor Juan Martinez shocked courtroom watchers when, without warning, he walked up to Horn, grabbed his pen, and pretended to stab him. Martinez then asked Horn how long that action took, prompting an immediate objection by the defense.
Following a brief sidebar, the judge told Martinez he must notify the court before approaching a witness.
Martinez then asked Horn if it is difficult to be stabbed, to which Horn replied, “I don’t stab people.”
You can’t make this stuff up. You get the impression that even if Martinez accidentally stabbed Horn that Judge Stephens would not call a mistrial and he would get off with a stern look from underneath her readers?
She has had 2 sets of jurors ( at last memory) that flat out lied in vior dire, refused to sequester them in the original trial, an expert witness whose TESTIMONY support was stolen out of her home (undisclosed to jury) dismissed repeated defense objections for contempt involving same and now has a prosecutor violating the rules of court?
Unfortunately- this was a major miss on Nurmi’s part ( go figure, but nobody will ever convince me that this guy would not still be and would remain in perpetuity a PD if not for the cash cow that became Arias).
If I had been Nurmi- I would have immediately moved to have a mistrial on the grounds that Martinez was acting as an expert witness without the benefit of being sworn by the court- and therefore in adverse interest to the State. In other words- if he wants to testify at trial personally as to facts and matters not in evidence, that needs to be explored in an appropriate hearing en camera.
Travis was not stabbed with a pen. Travis was not sitting in a jury box.
In no way was that conduct what he believed to be in the course of his assigned ( and absolute immunity based) duties as a sworn officer of the court. I wonder if he is secretly playing that clown on American Horror Story’s recent season?
Too much?
Don’t care- I have great respect for the criminal justice system and he gives credible and excellent prosecutors a bad rap, imo. ( ref: MacNeill)
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rose writes:
but it
doesn’t look like Martinez is trying this case on technical
grounds wrt Defense arguments.
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maybe not- but mental illness has to be a prong of the defense mitigation or they wouldn’t have repeatedly referred to her as “mentally ill young girl “in opening statements. To achieve a full diagnosis of BPD, the defense will have to show how that has been a thread throughout her life,give examples of how BPD was present in her past actions. In the first trial they tried to emphasize that murdering Travis was a total exception in her life patterns, and that it was just because of what HE did to her. One of the criteria for diagnosis of BPD is abuse in childhood.
De Marte put forth the attributes of BPD in first trial as part of her refutation of the PTSD diagnosis coming from Samuels. I believe the defense is trying to seize that and turn it around to work in their favor.
Bottom line however is that Arias is already convicted of pre meditation- so how can defense argue that, with anything?
@whodunit re “To achieve a full diagnosis of BPD, the defense will have to show how that has been a thread throughout her life,give examples of how BPD was present in her past actions”
I understood that was a mitigation element, but hiw can they use that diagnosis?
If BPD is their hook, she needs to dye her hair, gel it upright, add some tatts,
and a few rings & bracelets. In terms of demeanor, she’s a round peg in that
square hole. There was Plenty of evidence of planning. And also defense could use other
boyfriends with crazy relationship conflict with her.
rose:
I guess bottom line is that defense has to show that because she was mentally ill, she didn’t know the difference between right and wrong. Thats where the fog comes in. By saying she rembers nothing about the murder itself, she is alleviating any responsibility of her decisions or actions. With the fog stuff, she is basically saying, ” i don’t remember killing him”. But the state has that covered by showing her actions after the fact, period.
I at first had nothing but praise for Martinez-
IMO his court room tactics do nothing for establishing the truth or getting the truth from any witness.
His latest dramatic scene goes against his earlier “truth” that Jodi Arias could not have buried all/some of the memory of the attack and its aftermath
How long does it take to run down the hall grab a gun be tackled shoot then grab a knife and proceed to slit the throat and stab a person 20+times in a very confined area?
A matter of minutes
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I know its not a popular stance- yet I honestly think Jodi Arias deserves an entire new trial and no I dont think she is innocent- but the verdict needs to be based in facts and evidence – not based in both sides emotional hyperbole intermixed with disgusting courtroom theatrics
I mean for Gods sake the bloody palm print that placed her at the murder scene was barely discussed- the blood evidence told the story- yet it was brushed over at best and not entirely collected/ tested – the pics from the camera had major chain of custody issues not to mention what they depicted was subjective at best- and all questionable as to the order- dates and times taken
Is it only me – Has noone thought that it was mighty peculiar that Martinez basically rolled over so fast and agreed that the pupil pic showed Arias sans knife?
In the interest of truth and justice I wonder if it was because the prosecution and LE did not welcome any scrutiny of the pics and the camera- for if that evidence was scrutinized many of the concerns Blink and others had would be brought to the forefront?
There were so many issues which IMO might have merit on appeal and yet Arizona is spending alot o bucks to rush this death penalty case along regardless of the many new concerns which are being brought here for discussion-
How the heck did someone who knew Arias get on the jury in the first place?
Even if Martinez’ actions get a stern reprimand which seems not to be the case… the jury cant unseen or unhear – even if they were asked to disregard which they werent- that goes for the tv coverage as well
AJMO Peace
I think my thoughts on the record are patently clear. I think Arias is a very dangerous woman that should never see the light of day- but she was entitled to proper due process under our constitution and before anyone is willing to forego that on her behalf- keep in mind- Travis’s family is going to have to live through this nightmare all over again if this comes back ( and it will) the good citizens of AZ are paying millions for his errors. So instead of giving our prosecutor a pat on the back- we need to hold him accountable for his hubris- I do not say that lightly- but as a student of law with more colleagues and friends in criminal defense than I should prolly admit, lol, this might be the one recent trial issue we all agree on and that never happens.
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Re whodunnit says:
October 22, 2014 at 11:35 pm
IMHO:
The State must be very clear to illustrate the difference between having the attributes of BPD without meeting the criteria for a diagnosis of BPD as a lifelong mental illness.
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Didnt her testing discussed at length in the previous trial indicate that she is suffering from BPD?
I agree with yr opinion that the State must be careful
I think they could counter any diagnosis if they separate each attribute/behavior from the BPD- showing even “normal” persons can exhibit traits at times
For the record- I think she is BPD. That said, I do not believe her history in a DOCUMENTED way contributed to supporting that diagnosis. Moreover, the Doc’s laptop being lifted with the testing has always been a concern.
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Re whodunit
whodunnit says:
October 23, 2014 at 9:12 pm
De Marte put forth the attributes of BPD in first trial as part of her refutation of the PTSD diagnosis coming from Samuels. I believe the defense is trying to seize that and turn it around to work in their favor.
Bottom line however is that Arias is already convicted of pre meditation- so how can defense argue that, with anything?
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Yes this is what I recall also but that the testing done by Demarte also backed up the BPD?
I think the defense might be able to argue the premeditation element if they fully embrace the BPD along with Arias other issues to incorporate again some memory issues
Dissociation even extreme can be part of BPD-
I sincerely hope you all dont mind me jumping in to yr very thoughtful discussion- as you can read- you have given me much to ponder.
Re rose:
Rose says:
October 24, 2014 at 3:19 am
@whodunit re “To achieve a full diagnosis of BPD, the defense will have to show how that has been a thread throughout her life,give examples of how BPD was present in her past actions”
I understood that was a mitigation element, but hiw can they use that diagnosis?
If BPD is their hook, she needs to dye her hair, gel it upright, add some tatts,
and a few rings & bracelets. In terms of demeanor, she’s a round peg in that
square hole. There was Plenty of evidence of planning. And also defense could use other
boyfriends with crazy relationship conflict with her.
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Rose Im not following yr thoughts here- a person suffering from BPD need not have tats – wear excessive jewelry- -dye their hair- nor gel it into liberty spikes
Guys her past Her demeanor etc most certainly could support a longterm suffering of BPD
ill explain in another post- when I can get more time…
yeah I know you all are holding yr breath in anticipation of another Mom3.0 novel-
Its just if I dont make you guys suffer thru it I have to make my hubby and well he doesnt have the relief of scrolling and rolling LOL
I end this post with this info-
A person with BPD need not have suffered physical abuse or sexual abuse although maltreatment is often sited- about a third of those diagnosed with this disorder share no history of any abuse or maltreatment
AJMo Peace
I understood the reference Mom3.0- the girl with the dragon tattoo.
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Mom3.0s comment-page-29/#comment-2234784
correction failed to include ** :
His latest dramatic scene goes against his earlier “truth” that Jodi Arias could not have buried all/some of the memory of the attack and its aftermath *due to lack of time*
Re Blinks response-
I think my thoughts on the record are patently clear. I think Arias is a very dangerous woman that should never see the light of day- but she was entitled to proper due process under our constitution and before anyone is willing to forego that on her behalf- keep in mind- Travis’s family is going to have to live through this nightmare all over again if this comes back ( and it will) the good citizens of AZ are paying millions for his errors. So instead of giving our prosecutor a pat on the back- we need to hold him accountable for his hubris- I do not say that lightly- but as a student of law with more colleagues and friends in criminal defense than I should prolly admit, lol, this might be the one recent trial issue we all agree on and that never happens.
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Yes Blink you are on record from the getgo
all agree? That says alot-
It took me awhile to catch up to you all- but after time and much thought I totally agree- Its Travis’ family and the good people of Arizona along with lady justice who are paying and will continue to pay for his errors/hubris
Sooner or later wont a Judge finally have no choice but to reign him in?
Doubtful. The effect that might have on other cases will win that argument.
The other thing we all agree on about Arias is that she is so hateful even the most altruistic legal devotees would never lift a finger to help her on the merits based on her conduct with counsel to date.
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clarification not lack of time but too much time needed to complete therefore too long of span to forget… hope that makes more sense
im having a hard time wording it correctly
ajmo peace
BBL
Did either side ever prove conclusively ( or even try to prove) that the sex photos on Travis camera were NOT uploaded before the ceiling shots and alexander on the floor shots were taken by the camera?
I know state has had an expert testify that the time stamps of all the photos were correct. But my question is:
if you upload photos from another source into a camera, will the time stamp on those photos be the original time stamp or the time stamp signifying when they were uploaded.
Sorry if this is a dumb question, or if you have already answered!!
@3.0 wrt You said: “Rose Im not following yr thoughts here-
a person suffering from BPD need not have tats – wear excessive jewelry- -dye their hair- nor gel it into liberty spikes”
While I did not use the word “liberty,” nor thr phrase “excessive jewelry”–
thoseare your words, imo you are absolutely right.
But no way does her demeanor and past history
substantiate that diagnosis, and I
have’t found the examining “experts”
credible to date in describing
her psychological functioning adequately.
Idk about that opinion of Martinez, I went & read up on the last Juror 17′s comments.
she ate it up, which I think might be true of any ordinary TV-dependant lower-wage-working
female. Seeing him as a dramatic Perry Mason type. The dramatic Avenger.
His drama and passion sold a number of the former jurors.
I went & read up on him. This is his Court MO, and the County is apparently OK with it.
At least he’s not the Sheriff.
I don’t disagree with anything you said Rose- does not mean I have to like it, lol.
If this gets overturned, and remanded his popularity is going to decrease and I intend to refer to him as the Shannon Doherty of law.
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@3.0. I did reflect in a highly structured,
regimented jail situation, a
Borderline’s demeanor could
likely improve.
Since when does BPD mitigate premeditated murder? Is GraceintheHills here? Honest question.
I believed one must have a diagnosis incorporating a delusional thought process, or hallucinations, at the time of the
criminal act. Hinkley, for example, had delusional thinking (I don’t remember the case; my impression
was he was Schizoaffective). How is BPD even in the conversation of mitigation, GraceintheHills?
Is there any relevant AZ case law?
https://www.aclu.org/capital-punishment/mental-illness-and-death-penalty
I found 5. Mitigation
& 6. Other Issues (inability to work with defense counsel)
interesting.
so maybe her “conduct with Counsel”
is an indicator of
delusional thought orocesses?
Re appearance/ self image
Ok- thanks Blink The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo is an Awesome series-
-I can see the why of a comparison
Rose- I realize my words werent yr words- I thought it obvious sense I pasted yr words first- glad you were able to further differentiate though and thanks for voicing agreement -
as although ever changing appearance / self image modifications to include extremes can be part of BPD it need not be
AJMO & PEACE
Re Rose
But no way does her demeanor and past history
substantiate that diagnosis, and I
have’t found the examining “experts”
credible to date in describing
her psychological functioning adequately.
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Actually Rose her demeanor and history may substantiate that diagnosis although I agree the defenses past experts did not come off as the most credible- I did find Demarte credible although again I agree all of the experts could have described her psychological functioning more thoroughly or adequately
i think there was some truth in each of their findings- PTSD does share some characteristics with BPD- as it is on the anxiety spectrum memory lapses are part of this as they are with BPD
abuse maltreatment either in the present or past can be a trigger for a PTSD episode as well as a dissoiciative episode
as can everyday occurrences -lack of sleep – stressful situations or even unknown sensory triggers can bring on or exasperate an episode
Demarte said that BPD sufferers have memory loss – DeMarte said it usually comes in short bursts of blackouts and “the amnesiacs also tend to regain memory as time goes on.”
Demarte is ofcourse correct sufferers “tend to” follow this process but not all do
many infact black out or go into a dissociative state for hours & days at a time- and much like Arias reported they do not recall most of it
some recall brief snippets or snapshots of behaviors or discussions etc others none
some only realize they have been “gone so long” after “awakening” and seeing much time has past or someone brings up something that happened-
that they have no memory of- or a dream like memory of having occurred
A&P
Rose says:
Re Rose
October 28, 2014 at 11:41 pm
Since when does BPD mitigate premeditated murder?
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I am unaware of any successful argument mitigating murder previously
You wrote:
Since when does BPD mitigate premeditated murder? Is GraceintheHills here? Honest question.
I believed one must have a diagnosis incorporating a delusional thought process, or hallucinations, at the time of the
criminal act. Hinkley, for example, had delusional thinking (I don’t remember the case; my impression
was he was Schizoaffective). How is BPD even in the conversation of mitigation, GraceintheHills?
Is there any relevant AZ case law?.
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Rose I am not GITH- and i too would welcome her thoughts
Speaking only fo myself I have done extensive research as well as having experience working with those who have a diagnosis of BPD
i am not putting forth any of my thoughts as the truth of what happened in this case – BPD is a complex disorder
I am not arguing Jodi suffering from BPD must be seen as a mitigating factor only that it could be offered as such as each experts testimony and witness’ testimony and many of JA past behaviors demeanor can be used to substantiate the diagnosis and therefore may be seen as part of the “whys” of JA and the horrible murder- and thereby could be argued as a mitigating factor
You wrote:
Hinkley, for example, had delusional thinking (I don’t remember the case; my impression
was he was Schizoaffective).How is BPD even in the conversation of mitigation, GraceintheHills?
Is there any relevant AZ case law?
Im not GITH but
—Rose the laws governing guilt/innocent by reason of insanity changed after the Hinkley case
since then
Someone suffering from schizophrenia or other disorders to include delusions or hallucinations blackouts etc would STILL have a very hard time proving insanity or innocence by reason of-
They most often will find themselves guilty and in regular prisons- it is hardly ever used as an “excuse” and fails to get a perp off- BUT if they are mentally unstable with hallucinations delusions etc – if it is a death penalty case those issues will be sited and argued as POTENTIAL mitigating factors-
Rose, interestingly enough- BPD was brought forth as a bridge of sorts for those who seemed to suffer from a type of schizophrenia as well as different neurosis. BPD was thought to overlap with schizophrenia and non-schizophrenic psychoses, and was used to label overlapping symptoms that failed to fit neatly into any one diagnostic category.
A&P
Rose says:
October 28, 2014 at 11:32 pm
Idk about that opinion of Martinez, I went & read up on the last Juror 17′s comments.
she ate it up, which I think might be true of any ordinary TV-dependant lower-wage-working
female. Seeing him as a dramatic Perry Mason type. The dramatic Avenger.
His drama and passion sold a number of the former jurors.
I went & read up on him. This is his Court MO, and the County is apparently OK with it.
At least he’s not the Sheriff.
I don’t disagree with anything you said Rose- does not mean I have to like it, lol.
If this gets overturned, and remanded his popularity is going to decrease and I intend to refer to him as the Shannon Doherty of law.
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I have no doubt that his MO can be effective in blinding the jury -
I liken it to the CSI effect- Some jurors think the court process and the “actors” should be all about the drama- Nothings deemed important unless there is an over the top scene
Some jurors it seems watch for only
The Perry mason moments sitting on the edge of their seats with their notebooks at the ready to be real life critics on the performances-
They are bored senseless without the drama and “tune out” to info evidence and litigators who do not “play” well- to they the audience
They are the triers of fact -the jury -each member is responsible for deciding factual issues in a trial.
It is a serious civil responsibility and duty-
especially in cases where a defendants freedom-life and death are in their hands-
- The verdict is not supposed to be based in emotion- and that is what Martinez seems to be all about-
Its not a tv show and he is not Shannon Doherty – cast as the lead- (ha Blink) and the jurors are not supposed be fans or haters
After the performance is over are the jurors able to walk back thru the all the testimony/evidence and arrive at the same conclusion articulating their thoughts separate from emotion sans Martinez and his hubris?
i worry that he is getting in the way of their very important but sometimes boring jobs
Blink- I totally understand yr thoughts on it being unlikely that a judge will not reign him in- I hadnt thought of the aftermath…and I sincerely hope If this gets overturned, and remanded his popularity is going to decrease- -
IMO He is fully capable of actually being a good lawyer who defends the victims with facts and evidence- – all he has to do is dial it way back and make it less about him and more about them
AJMO Peace
@3.0. the excused juror, no badge
as required, hanging out
in the hall media area, imo
was the tip of this iceberg.
I feel for the juror man sleeping
during The Phone Sex. Snore by now.
There’s someone with mind made up.
Mine would be too, sorry.
@3.0. imo
BPD is not a bridge between neurosis & schizophrenia.
Schizophrenia & personality disorders are different animals.
wrt
“Mom3.0 says:
October 29, 2014 at 2:26 pm
Rose says:
Re Rose
October 28, 2014 at 11:41 pm
Since when does BPD mitigate premeditated murder?
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I am unaware of any successful argument mitigating murder previously”
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Last sentence above is not mine.:
From what the ACLU notes (link above) on mitigation said is
throw all the spagetti on the wall, baby & bathwater, and any old
cognitive or mental compromise should be submitted for consideration.
A person must present 5 of 9 markers to meet the criteria for BPD
according to demarte JA meets 7
But in actuality I believe she meets all 9
1) Efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment
Demarte cited JA moving to Mesa after the breakup with Ta after the breakup
(JA also exhibited these same behaviors with all partners-
Demarte also cited
extreme fear of abandonment Intrusive behavior, such as spying Facebook his texts etc
Alyce also spoke of this happening in other relationships checking phones and emails at librarary etc
She crossed boundaries listening in on convos showing up announced uninvited-
2) Unstable and intense personal relationships
JA had intense relationships with lots of conflict, and/or breakups
had frequent arguments with BF friends and loved ones
Experienced extreme ups and downs in relationships went from feeling as if she really needed loved someone to feeling hatred or need to get far away from him or her them
Often felt disappointment in or even hatred toward loved ones
JA went from one boyfriend to the next, only after sticking with them no matter how badly things were getting- Stayed and brokeup yet returned again and again after bitter arguments cheating etc
She was never boyfriendless never really alone
she idealized the relationships and the men until the bitter end – She was “devout” in her love for Travis even though he was unfaithful to her and cruel
she exhibits black and white thinking tends to either idealize or devalue people. She displayed this behavior with Travis and other boyfriends and with her parents
3) Identity disturbance
JA Experienced frequent changes in sense of self-worth one moment feeling okay about herself and then next feeling that she was a bad person often felt unsure about identity constantly changing her beliefs or who she was- often felt nonexistent
Immature teen like constantly changing to fit as she has no real sense of self separate from any given partnership
Arias believed in the occult for her past boyfriend she got into sports for another. Arias joined the Mormon Church very quickly, she dyed/changed her hair drove a certain car when she was with Darryl Brewer to be more consistent with his ex-wife- while with her first boyfriend she liked what he liked-. She lived in a tent with Matt McCartney at one time yet tried to portray herself as more professional when she was with Travis . “Chameleon-like” quality due to lack of self identity.
4) Impulsivity – Arias.Impulsive and often dangerous behaviors, such as spending sprees, unsafe sex, substance abuse, reckless driving, and binge eating DeMarte did not find this trait in Jodi
yet JA was impulsive marked in her spending habits she very quickly jumped into a sexual relationship with all of her partners – her decision to go from job to job on nothing more than a whim her impulsive decision to jump in the car and visit matt etc
5) Suicidal ideation
DeMarte noted that Arias had consistently discussed her desire to “not be alive” in diaries and journals going back to 1995.she spoke of wanting to kill herself after the murder
6) Affective instability
Experienced intense negative feelings in reaction to day-to-day situations
Felt intense sadness, betrayal, irritability, or anger that may last for hours
Had frequent and intense mood changes going from feeling okay to feeling totally despairing in a matter of minutes or hours
DeMarte found evidence in records from all Arias’s ex boyfriends describing her as having quick shifting emotions.
DeMarte noted Arias’s journal entries, where emotions would go from angry to sad to happy in the same day. Her parents also spoke of this from early adolescence She exhibited this often
7) Feeling of emptiness
Felt no emotions or felt as if there is nothing inside
Jodi Arias told DeMarte she had felt this way since childhood (emptiness) and she is often described this way on the stand and by others in her life
8) Inappropriate and intense anger
Felt intense anger that is stronger than the situation warrants
She cornered travis lady friend in the bathroom
Having difficulty controlling anger (often yelled at her parents , was sarcastic, breaking things, or getting into physical confrontations
DeMarte referred to an e-mail from Jodi to Travis. PP …my anger is very destructive. I’ve kicked down doors broke windows kicked holes in walls and it hurts people and it hurts me. I try to view things thru a filter of love Sometimes I forget who I am I strive to be more christlike but I mess up
Her kicking the dog being mean and kicking her mother
arguing with her parents and siblings scaring her friends physical confrontations w Travis and past BF
9) Transient stress related paranoid ideation and dissociation – Not applicable to Jodi Arias according to Demarte
although IMO it fits Jodi in these terms:
She often spoke of others picking on her or trying to cause her harm- paranoid about cheating lying always trying to catch the person in a lie checking the phone emails texts – felt every female friendship of significant other was one step away from becoming an affair- always Expected the worse, tried to stay ahead of it prepare for it. not just in relationships but in other areas- the gas cans the re renting of another car not red to not get a ticket for speeding- -Hoped for the best,but already set herself upfor the worst
felt that people or things were “unreal” or experienced episodes of feeling “zoned out” or “numb”- felt dead inside- spoke of breaks in memory
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When demarte spoke of the memory lapse she was not speaking as it would fit with her own diagnosis of BPD only against PTSD
She said JAs account was a lapse which was several hours in duration
when asked if it met the criteria for PTSD she said purely based on jas account yes-
but that she doesnt believe Jas account- KIM she is not a lie expert this is the same expert that testified she must take a persons account at face value=
next Demarte says JA reported that she had a very large gap in her memory several hour gap-
Demarte says thats not how it typically presents (in PTSD) with Traumatic memories-
BUT this IS how it can present in persons suffering from BPD as it relates to the dissociation
Demarte went on to testify though that “the only time that you see those large aspects that are missing…potentially several hours is when there is a severe head injury”..she later added it can happen with substance abusers
that is not the only time though- it can be a several hour or more gap of missing memory for a person who is in an extreme dissociative episode
Sorry for the length- My husband thanks you
AJMO Peace
RE (inability to work with defense counsel) and
Blinks comment:
The other thing we all agree on about Arias is that she is so hateful even the most altruistic legal devotees would never lift a finger to help her on the merits based on her conduct with counsel to date. B
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Yr right – who wants to subject themselves to that?
manipulation selfishness etc It can all be a big part of BPD
They often do not get the help they need and deserve even from their own psychiatrists
here are some articles which helped me to see it all in a different light:
http://psychcentral.com/lib/the-emotional-vulnerability-of-borderline-personality-disorder/0009521
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As Shari Y. Manning, Ph.D, writes in her excellent book Loving Someone with Borderline Personality Disorder, “People with BPD have an exquisite vulnerability to emotions.” And this susceptibility is hardwired.
For instance, Manning cites one interesting study where researchers tickled infants on their noses with a feather. Their responses ranged widely: Some infants didn’t react at all, others moved around and still others started crying and it was tough to calm them down. These babies were seen as “sensitive to emotional stimuli.”
Like other disorders, BPD also involves an environmental component. (Not everyone who’s emotionally sensitive goes on to have BPD.) Individuals with BPD aren’t just genetically vulnerable to emotions; they’ve also grown up in an “invalidating environment.” So they might’ve never learned how to regulate their emotions, or their emotions were continuously ignored or dismissed.
and
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/resolution-not-conflict/201405/are-bpd-drama-queens-manipulative-sadistic-and-worse
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I have to say I disagree with a fundamental tenet especially of the first article which refers to “manipulative” or even “sadistic” behaviours of BPD sufferers. The choice of the term “manipulative” suggests some kind of Machiavellian scheming and cunning to reach objectives which are not immediately obvious.
I think Dr. Linehan was the closest to the truth in interpreting the so-called “manipulative” behaviours of BPD patients when she declared they were blunt, clumsy and ineffective efforts to have the BPD’s needs met.
To all concerned the objective of these behaviours is also blatantly obvious thus removing any element of manipulation.
and
http://www.aapel.org/bdp/BLmanipulationUS.html
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“Viewed by others as incredibly manipulative, borderlines themselves feel powerless. They act completely entitled yet have very little self-esteem, expressions of which others often misinterpret as attacks” (Tim Pheil L.P.N, “Borderline Personality Disorder”, mhsanctary)
“The Borderline’s predicament results in both her enormous need for relationships and her great fear of intimacy. The tension between this fear and need can cause rage, guilt expressed in self-punishment…and anxiety that is relieved by acting out. The angry, impulsive, manipulative behavior of borderlines is their pathological attempt to elicit involvement and caring…
Herein is a very central dilemma for most borderlines. How does one learn to stop seeking this soothing, this nurture (often absent in childhood) from others through manipulative and pathological means? ” (Janice M. Cauwels ,”Imbroglio: Rising to the Challenges of Borderline Personality Disorder”, Norton & Company 1992)
last from a sufferer:
http://www.downwardspiralintothevortex.com/2012/08/people-with-borderline-personality.html
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- This case was never about who killed Travis it was about the punishment for killing Travis- and now it is about any mitigating factors against killing her
If she has BPD and if the murder did occur during a severe dissociative state and if the defense can present the case in a meaningful way to underscore those points as facts then she has a chance at not being put to death
Thats All Ive got Folks
A&P
oops
correction to my October 29, 2014 at 2:59 pm post
Demarte DIDNT say that BPD sufferers have memory loss
She was speaking against the PTSD diagnosis at that moment NOT foir the diagnosis of BPD
- Apologies
I know that a little learning is a dangerous thing- but the re trial has sent me scurrying to learn more about Arizona capital punishment as well as what can constitute mitigating factors.
Link to Arizona Capitol Punishment background:
( Interestingly, prior to August, 2002, sentencing was handled entirely by the trial judge without jury input)
https://www.azag.gov/sites/default/files/sites/all/docs/Criminal/ccc/Final-CapPun.pdf
As far as mitigation, found another link that is informative. (This link also cites The Aileen Wornos case, and the mitigation factors that were found in her case, including diagnosis of BPD. Her trial was in Florida; she was sentenced to death.)
http://www.capitalpunishmentincontext.org/issues/mitigation
here is an 2013 article about Prosecutorial misconduct in Arizona by Michael knifer of the Arizona Republic news.
He states that nearly 50 percent of all capital cases there have involved allegations of prosecutorial misconduct, but that they rarely go through and even when they do, discipline is long in coming.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/arizona/articles/20131027wintory-prosecutor-conduct-day-2.html
I goofed!!!
I meant to write that Keifer is from AZCENTRAL ( not Arizona republic, so sorry)
And her is another article ( feb 2014) specifically about Martinez, and allegations of prosecutorial misconduct in the past as well as Arias trial.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/20131028jodi-arias-juan-martinez-conduct-day3.html
Rose says:
October 29, 2014 at 11:06 pm
Yeah I read about the sleeping juror-
You are probably right some have made up their minds already-
Isnt the instruction that you are not supposed to do this until all info has been presented?
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Rose says:
October 29, 2014 at 11:09 pm
@3.0. imo
BPD is not a bridge between neurosis & schizophrenia.
Schizophrenia & personality disorders are different animals.
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Interestingly enough there is a movement to move away from BPD being just a “personality disorder” MHProfessionals back this school of thought not all but alot
Rose-I realize that isnt yr opinion I respect that
but that is what the beginning thoughts were-on BPD and the reason for that is because they share some of the same characteristics as I noted
Further more it has been said
Snipped from link:
most borderlines are also schizotypal (about 60%), the diagnosis of schizoaffective is likely just depression with psychosis. We know borderlines get psychotic as well as schizotypes
here are many opinions within the field-all differ somewhat
when we are discussing a paid experts take- we have to keep in mind their findings are always gonna be somewhat skewed
Demarte was never gonna speak openly about how BPD could be the answer to JAs memory lapse- esentially backing up the Defenses arguement but just under a different diagnosis name which IMO obviously fits better than PTSD
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I am unaware of any successful argument mitigating murder previously
That sentence was mine -
What we were discussing is mitigating circumstancing against the death sentence
Or were you speaking to the death penalty as murder?
AJMo Peace
http://www.borderlinepersonalitytoday.com/main/markovitz_index.htm
http://www.borderlinepersonalitytoday.com/main/80.htm
October 30
Judge Stephens said her decision to close the courtroom and seal the witness’ testimony until the sentencing trial’s conclusion is necessary for “the administration of justice.”
Read more:
http://www.azfamily.com/news/Arias-judge-bars-public-from-witness-testimony-280987542.html#ixzz3HfMsopPg
12News and AZCentral are appealing the judge’s ruling in the #JodiArias case and have moved to obtain transcripts of this witness. The media lawyer is filing these actions now.
THE MEDIA’S MOTION FOR A STAY ON PROCEEDINGS HAS BEEN DENIED.
THE WITNESS WILL REMAIN ANONYMOUS FOR NOW.
MEDIA WILL APPEAL. THE APPEALS COURT WILL GET THE CASE BY 5P.
#JodiArias
http://www.fox10phoenix.com/clip/10799424/arias-defense-attorney-tries-to-close-courtroom#.VFQts4zOcjE.facebook
https://www.facebook.com/Justice4Travis?fref=nf
@3.0. wrt “What we were discussing is mitigating circumstancing against the death sentence”
wrt Mitigation, myreading re AZ is you throw the pasta at the wall.
BPD, fog, child abuse, doing good, whatever.
The goal is to persuade jurors, period.
And Juan knows this, and puts jurors in his quick-flash hand.
And Nurmi doesn’t connect, nor does Jodi.
So it will take some idiosyncratic holdout on the jury enlightened
ny intelligence & education to evaluate evidence in this production.
My take is that is unlikely & this will become an appellate case, maybe a redo.
Was JA diagnosed as being narcissistic along with BPD? That combo might have more impact on the jurors, favoring the DP.
Do we know if the mystery defense witness was id’d? Judge is definitely dodging,ducking, diving, dipping AND dodging (dodgeball the movie) to avoid many appellate oppty’s the killer is so determined to create for herself. Judge Sherry is soooo onto to JA….and she needs to be one step ahead of her.
Just thinking out loud.
Absolutely more WOWza in the court room
The State vs Jodi Arias ~ Travis Alexander murder trial shared a link.
29 minutes ago
Just a few days after Judge Sherry Stephens kicked out the media and the public from the Jodi Arias sentencing retrial, a state appeals court overruled her and opened the courtroom doors once again.
That decision came down this afternoon after a dramatic legal battle Monday morning before a three judge panel.
[Click on link to view video.
http://www.fox10phoenix.com/clip/10808136/court-grants-medias-request-in-jodi-arias-case#.VFgjay9GGmQ.facebook
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One media person had speculated prior to the closure last week that it was Jodi her self- lol- but doesn’t matter now. lol
Here is the hearing>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqJ4KRVyphI&feature=youtu.be
that 3 judge appellate panel bodes ill for Jodi’s appeals if she gets death.
Frankly, I think “in the interests of justice,” Stephens was correct.
watched a few minutes of the youtube, not much. AZ Appellate Crt is unimpressive.
Stopped when media atty woke up & read the Supr Crt test. Was the language clear &
convincing danger? My conclusion was DefenseAtty & Stephens did not use that “legal
test” terminology & build a record, no big sweat to do so. Just offer the threats to LaViolette into evidence–who was probably that mitigation witness.
what is going on?
Arias seems the Queen of Stall over the last year.
And Stephens is not the Queen of her Courtroom.
Both sides run roughshod over her & the jurors.
Hey Eloise
He more than speculated….he CLAIMED it. Is this what happens when media is barred from courtroom…they forecast, project and stamp it ‘FACT!’?
That poor family, having to endure these proceedings in Groundhog Day fashion. No doubt they must feel this process is a vortex they’ll never get out of.