Jodi Arias Trial Verdict IS IN: GUILTY Of MURDER In The Slaying Of Travis Alexander
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Phoenix, AZ- In the 4 month long trial of Jodi Ann Arias for the murder of her brief boyfriend Travis Victor Alexander, the jury deliberating since last Friday has arrived at a verdict in her case. Arias was found guilty of the pre-meditated murder of Travis Alexander on June 4th, 2008.
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Cont Demarte testimony- IMO nothing new was brought forward by yesterdays testimony
Demarte still feels JA s shrinks /experts were incompetent and that any test results by them were flawed and must not be trusted cited timing of tests and false event and all the rest we heard
Spoke of Borderline disorder Etd also nothing new…
Martinez questions bring to light many of Jas inconsistencies while noting different events abuse etc to different experts including demarte-
Demarte does state that on the tests she administered there was no sign of deception according to markers
- Defense tries to preclude “prejudicial” testimony from coming in judge rules its in-
However to me it wasnt prejudicial nor was it a definite sign of “assertiveness” as demarte claims
IMO it was irrelevant and although showed JA as immature and teenager like again- much to do about nothing- (remains to be seen if jury will think s0)
()by me
Michael Kiefer @michaelbkiefer · 21h 21 hours ago
she (stevens)reads a paragraph that says irrelevant and prejudicial evidence should be precluded in rebuttal of mitigation phase.
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Nurmi repeats the clause about relentless assault on the defendant’s character during mitigation rebuttal.
Nurmi says DeMarte is relying on name-calling. Martinez repeats a quote that #jodiarias was snide and a total bitch at family reunions.
Martinez says that it is not unduly prejudicial given the amount of time that Dr. Fonseca and Geffner spent saying she was passive.
The snide and total bitch remarks from a relative are allowed in. DeMarte just read them to the jury. #jodiarias
DeMarte reads the grandparents’ remarks that #jodiarias was always mean to her mother.Grandparents also said that #jodiarias corrected everyone else’s grammar.
Those examples would be classified as aggressive and overbearing, DeMarte says. #jodiarias
To be cont Demartes testimony regarding JAs selfesteem
AJMO peace
Demarte testimony Re selfesteem issues
Tweets:
Jen’s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ · 20h 20 hours ago
Now DeMarte wants to talk Purple Plum and Nurmi asked to approach #jodiarias #3tvarias
Michael Kiefer @michaelbkiefer · 20h 20 hours ago
Martinez: Fonseca and Geffner said #jodiarias lacked self-esteem. Do the remarks she is about to read refute that evaluation? DeMarte: yes.
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DeMarte reads notes from an interview with a co-worker from the Purple Plum. #jodiarias went right to the men and ignored the men.
Another remark says #jodiarias once pretended to know nothing about Yreka and asked a guy to show her around. #jodiarias
DeMarte reads more: #jodiarias gave her phone number to a guy on the plane back from Alexander memorial service.
Michael Kiefer @michaelbkiefer · 20h 20 hours ago
DeMarte reads a message from #jodiarias offering “bj” and asking for a “facial” in return. DeMarte: she was asserting her wants and needs.
Michael Kiefer @michaelbkiefer · 20h 20 hours ago
Martinez asks DeMarte if these things go to assertiveness and self-esteem. DeMarte: yes.
@michaelbkiefer “JA said she was a goddess, smelled like a goddess, looked like a goddess. She was all over the men”
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My thoughts although again this does go to show Arias as teenagerlike selfabsorbed at times mean to her mother nitpicky bitchy at times flirtations or overly flirtatious at times- ( smart in waitressing to know where to put effort to get better tips) and a grammar Nazi at times calling yrself a goddess could be sen as high selfesteem or low – IME People with actual high selfesteem have no need to flaunt anything or try to boost themselves up ornor do they feel the need to hang on people- pass out # etc…
all of this might be interpreted as showing Hsesteem and assertiveness but may in fact be just the oppisite in truth-
PS JMO asking for a bj or a facial for some women is just dirty talk to please the guy not necessarily for their needs & wants…
Yesterdays testimony concluded w/ Demartepointing out JA inconsistancies again on abuse etc-
I felt she came off quite professional and believable in the first trial- most of her testiminy seems to be the same- will the jury see her as professional and believable- will they feel she is spot on in her thoughts reselfesteem and assertiveness?
IDK
love to hear yr guys take on all the proceedings
- Todays testimony is already in progress- if able I will catch up and report back-
Ps BlinK is it true that nothing besides Dermates computer w/ JAs notes and reports were stolen even with valuables in plain sight? What do you make of that?
AJMO Peace
Mom3.0- my understanding is that only her computer was taken, nothing else of value. What I make of that is that was what the “burglar” was after.
B
This site seems to do a good job of explaining exactly what happens in the mitigation phase and why:
http://www.capitalpunishmentincontext.org/issues/mitigation
Equally interesting ( to me) is this wiki page about abuse defense
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse_defense
a snippet from the abuse defense page is:
……” the problem lies not in the employment of excuses as legal defenses, but in the intermingling of social science, which seeks to explain human behavior, with criminal law, which seeks to judge behavior.[22] Although many citizens advocate severe penalties as a means of reducing crime, a number of studies have shown that the juror’s desire to realize that goal is often overridden by the inherent desire to understand the behavior that leads to crime.[23]
Blink thanks for the KISS response is it also true that there was no signs of a forced breakin?
I understand and agree that whomever took the computer chose too- it would appear the computer was the goal-
for the info on it or what?
Makes one wonder who and why and what they did with it once they acquired it- was it password protected etc..
—who thanx for the links
Still catching up- Yesterdays cont testimony of Demarte again was a rehash for those of us who watched the first trial-
Demarte covered why she believes JA is BPD etc- She brought up the alleged stealing of the ring although it was objected to the jury still heard it and TAs text to Ja regarding its mising..Jodis stalking the Valentines Day letter from Jodi telling TA her anger is very destructive was brought forth as well as TAs texts to Reagan regarding JA hacking of FB– Both JAs and TAs Myspace page likes- and JAs seeming propensity to “become” who she was dating, her suicide attempt allowed Demarte to bring in JAs “no jury will convict me remark”- Martinez direct ended with Demartes assertion that JA does not meet the criteria for PTSD because she had no trauma and no flashbacks or intrusive thoughts.
–Again in the first trial I thought Demarte came off as professional and believable-likable – I can not say what I would think this time not having heard/watched the testimony this time & relying only on tweets
But what I gathered she testified to much the same-
Todays I believe Nurmi will cross-
All caught up
AJMO peace
TO my knowledge there was indeed evidence of forced entry and report of a B&E was filed. I found her professional, clinically accurate and I think she was honest and succinct in the areas of “grey” requiring interpretation outside of the scales.
Self-reporting is self-reporting in this case of a capital murder defendant.
B
Thanks again Blink
Whatdid you mean about selfreporting Demarte and the breakin? Im lost
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Todays testimony-
Wow-
We all had very lively discussions IRT BPD here
I and others once questioned the defenses tactic of not embracing Demartes diagnosis of BPD and thru cross turning Demarte into an expert for the defense by bringing forth the characteristics which coincide w/ the defenses case…
Nurmi so far on cross seems to be doing just that-
and during this sentencing trial
according to several tweets
Nurmi succeeded today in getting the States expert to acknowledge that BPD is a serious mental illness
MK
DeMarte agrees with Nurmi that borderline personality is a serious mental illness. #jodiarias
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Nurmi is allowing Demarte to walk him thoroughly through BPD what it means and how JA fits it-W/examples
as we know a mitigating factor can be mental illness
More later
- I agree Blink Demarte appears to be coming off as professional likable believable-
Will the defense be adept at keeping her a defense witness by utilizing the BPD to thier advantage to help explain Arias crime and why she should be spared death? that is yet to be seen-
especially since JM can redirect-
AJMO Peace
The majority of Demarte’s conclusions were based on self-reporting mechanized test, scales and interpretation.
To a very large degree – such tests are subject to Arias information bias (unintended).
B
Blink writes:
The majority of Demarte’s conclusions were based on self-reporting mechanized test, scales and interpretation.
To a very large degree – such tests are subject to Arias information bias (unintended).
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YES.
Gotcha Blink- thank you and I agree
Speaking of unintended bias Nurmi went on to accuse Demarte of selectively taking info at “face value” only when it was favorable to Travis /prosecution-
the example he chose was harsh and may in fact backfire if the jury refuses to “go there” .
as his question revolved around the sex tape and Demarte testifying that JAs wanting BJ/facial meant just that-
but not taking at face value TAs comment IRT a little girl meaning that TA knew the sound of a 12 yearolds orgasm or liked it…
To me the comparison was a stretch- but did bring to light Demartes selective going behind words
again it may backfire
Nurmi did his best for his client yesterday and seemed to make several points however they may be all lost if the jury doesnot like the way he was treating Demarte- or TA
Nurmis cross conts on Mon.
AJMO Peace
Though this is a fairly obscure site, it includes VERBATIM the jury instructions for the penalty phase of the Arias trial:
http://frederickleatherman.com/2013/05/09/explanation-of-the-jodi-arias-sentencing-hearing/
good to know when weighing the cruelty of the crime with the mitigating factors.
Blink-
circling back to a ( now ancient?) point of discussion as to whether or not the defendant has to prove anything.
In previous post ( FEB 6, 5:56 p.m.), I included a link to a site that has the penalty phase jury interactions ( you have to scroll down to get to them)
cutting to the chase, here is a snippet from those jury instructions from Stephens,
“The defendant bears the burden of proving the existence of any mitigating circumstance
that the defendant offers by a preponderance of the evidence. ”
There are more qualifiers for what that proof may be, its a good read.
Great posts, y’all. Nothing much to add here….just some curious observations.
1. Why does Arias ALWAYS need to look behind her? She often makes eye contact with media cameras in the courtroom. Has she gotten a good look of herself, lately?
2. Look at what this trial and prison has done to her:
http://www.fox10phoenix.com/category/254145/arias-case
Somewhat gratifying.
Hi ragdoll- yes Arias has aged quite a bit- Prison is definitely not a spa retreat.
I think she looks back because as a prisoner its a way to connect with the outside world while in that court room-
This weeks testimony Demarte made the case for BLPD- and despite Martinezez trying to minimize her assertions that the disorder constitutes a serious mental illness those points made it to the jurors years= whether or no they decide it to be part of their reaonings for a mitigation factor is left to be seen- but according to some juror questions the point was not lost.
Having stated that- I do think the defense did not have her go far enough into dissoiation and what that could mean to a BPD person knowing at the time of killing the difference between right and wrong- for if Arias was in a severe dissociative state during the killing then it is reasonable for the jury to consider that as part of a mitigting factor. – Martinez did well to bring up the knowing right from wrong- which Demarte agreed- the defense gfell short in bringing the aforementioned info to light they IMO also fell short in discussing wht a “lie” could be for a person suffering with BPD
The defense did IMO make headway in making a bridge to possible PTSD and BPD as well as other disorders.
The defense also made points on having Demarte point out Arias’ age and lack of prior criminal record
Again will any of it be enough to weigh in the jurors minds s mitigating factors IDK
the jurors did want clarification on her expertize
Here are the questions asked of demarte according to various tweets PP
1. Was JA mentally ill prior to the murder?
She has BPD and it doesn’t come out of the blue.
2. Without having training in DAPS – what is your basis for believing defense expert administered incorrectly?
it is self-reporting test. Don’t need extensive training in it. I have read the manual several times–many obvious mistakes. later w/martinez answers jodiarias answered differently in two versions of same test. Her answers on Geffner’s tests were different when they should have been the same.
3. How many tests are there to diagnose the disorder and PTSD?
There are many 100s of tests. Some are more popular.
4. How many did you personally administer?
RAP, MMPI, TSI, WAIS. Four.
5. How many years experience do you have in treating DV?
She goes back to her training.Since 2004. sees it often
6. How many years experience with victims of sexual abuse?
Same time frame.She goes back to her training. sees itoften
7. Do these fields require certification?
Yes for a clinical psychologist. In terms of PTSD or DV, there’s no certification out there.
8. When you were treating patients from 2004-2008, was it by yourself or with another psychologist?
While unlicensed, I practiced under the license of another psychologist I met alone with the patient. I had weekly meeting w the her supervisor though
9. Do you feel that the knowledge of a sexual assault is as damaging as having a memory of it? Memory supports symptoms of intrusive thoughts.
It can manifest into PTSD but u have 2 have the symptoms
10. Can the body have reactions to certain stimuli that triggers emotions to a memory? Yes–there could be a physiological reaction.It can trigger emotions & a physical response
11. In one of the communications between JA and TA, TA says JA can have all of his passwords. Is it still unwanted intrusive behavior? – I wouldn’t conclude that intrusive but as time went on he didn’t want her to access these things & he told her not to and she continued
* me- I dont remember this was it in a text or just basd on his writing to/w other women and what he told friends?
12. There were some communications between TA and other women where he complained that JA wouldn’t leave him alone. Were these people, like Michele Lowry, aware of his relationship with JA? Yes but Not the the extent such as sexual.
13. How long in total did JA work at the Purple Plum both times? Doesn’t have the exact times she worked there.
14. Did you monitor her at all after the 4 times you met with her? No.
15. How far back did your forensic evaluation go and were all the records were available? Believes she had access to All the records all were made available to me, as far as I know. Evaluation went back to her childhood.
16. Do you consider BPD a mental illness or psychological disorder and why? it is considered a mental illness It’s a psychological disorder
17. How does dissociation play into BPD? It’s a technique to distance oneself from an environment that is anxiety-provoking. One of the symptoms of BPD is dissociation along w/ paranoia.
Again this trial seems to come done to who what you believe…not necessarily the facts
to be cont
testimony of last 3 prosecution witnesses
AJMO Peace
Martinez called the father of the 9 year old girl who wrote travis and demanded he stop contacting her-
Martinez brought forth that the email was related to PPL and that it wasnt in any way personal- Nurmi brought forth in cross that the email might hvave been sent to the dads email account but was ddresseed to his daughter- the dad was concerened over the question of how and why TA got access to his daughters name…
next prosecution calls computer expert Brown- testifies to experiment that allowed him to conclude that all porn was put there by spybot immunization references- even the adult dating sites…BUT except for youporn site- – defense questions him on videos found and pics found – states he did not consider most of the pics porn because they did not show orifices- vids were inexcessable to Brown- states that if there then spybot Possibly could have been put there if they were adds or “pop ups”
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Next defense expert nermiester sp.. was recalled this time by prosecution- to go over spybot and whther or not it was the answer to the porn found on Tas computer-
according to expert could be the answer to some sites referenced by certain registry but would not account for downloaded/deleted pics- or videos
IMO this witness did not go too well as a prosecution witness for he testified that the porn was there especially those pics and more and fragmented vids and could have been found and discussed in first trial…
martinez insinuates that JA planted it there somehow for whyelse would defense expert be looking for it in his examination-
also brought into question animalistic/whore text found on Jas helio phone as possibly not being sent by/written by TA-
Expert said possible but not probable for the question arose simply because of 8 minute gap between sent and received time of texts….
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heres the thing martnez explicitly stated as fact and had his witness expert testify there were no pics no images of men or women the front the below the waist etc that was not the truth regardless if they deemed it fit the definition of “porn” or not….
Will the jury even care about this testimony as it might relate to their decision – who knows
It does not sit well with me as it relates to the whole prosecutorial misconduct and the “truth”- martinez presented… that JA lies therefore everything she says is not believable… not so for the state it would seem
next defense calls own experts on rebuttal-
trial should wrap up by the end of Feb beginning of March
All info related to the best of my ability- sorry for length
AJMO peace
As far as defense position of prosecutorial misconduct, the state has not been found guilty of prosecutorial misconduct. However, the defense keeps writing their motions as though this is true, referring to ” continued prosecutorial misconduct” etc.
The action cited by the defense are , as of DeMarte testimony, similar if not the exact same as what they have accused prosecution of doing.
as far as the whole computer thing, the basis of prosecutorial misconduct in THAT is not only does defense have t prove that state willfully and knowingly found porn, but also acknowledged ( to themselves) that it was exculpatory, and then hid it.
I agree with the judge’s previous ruling that the porn on computer door issue was opened in guilt trial, and that additionally, the defense motion that claims that arias didn’t get a fair trial because the jury in the guilt phase was not aware of porno is not apporirate for her court in the penalty phase.
Examination of Travis computer has not turned up any specifically illegal activity.
The jury is charged with the responsibility of relying on what they consider to be facts proven by a preponderance of evidence. It will certainly be hard for any human to make a judgement call of this degree when presented with evidence of immoral behavior. But murder is beyond immoral, it is illegal. And the question is , is way she murdered him heinous and cruel enough to put Arias to death.
The defense is doing a good job of showing everything they can to present a defendant who is disturbed and a victim who was immoral. And in the penalty phase, ANYTHING is allowed in that could mitigate the defendant who is up for DP. At the same time though, the State has opportunity to go through any door they open. A trial , if you will, in every human sense of the word!
Hello my friends.
I came upon this site. Not sure if it’s new or older….but it’s moving as anything that’s touched my heart. In the memorial, it features one of my favourite worship artists, Danny Gokey.
Anyways….one thing stood out to me that gives me chills. Most of the pics of Travis show a ‘closed’ semi smile. It’s probably a smile which came naturally to him, in photos. It got me thinking about when Jodi starting smiling that closed mouth smile (she definitely didn’t hold back on her toothy smiles, pre-Travis), especially in one of her prison shots (the one that creeps Blinkster out). I also found this (shuddering):
-snipped
6:10 p.m. ET: Now Martinez is playing another clip from the CBS “48 Hours” interview, where Arias said she smiled in the mugshot, because that is what Alexander would have done in the situation. She also said she also smiled, because she was innocent.
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/02/25/jodi-arias-testifies-day-10-live-blog
The smile: http://tinyurl.com/op3ka6u
Hmmmmmmmmm…….
It would help if I linked the tribute site for Travis, eh? Here it is:
http://www.travisalexanderjustice.com/
Keep the tissue close by xo
I have been bothered this whole trial by the Travis bashing, and I know others have too.
So, I took to the internet to figure out what the real point is. You all may be way ahead of me on this ( especially you Blink!)
but looking at this website, and seeing Lockett vs. Ohio.. with one of the mitigating factors listed as ” victim induced the crime” And knowing that in the sentencing phase, just about everything is admissible by the defense- well, I get it. I still don’t know how I feel about a court system that is designed to mete out punishment has become so entangled with a demand on the jury to in essence, diagnose mental and emotional problems.
anyway here is the site, it offers a good perspective
http://www.capitalpunishmentincontext.org/issues/mitigation
come on Blink- whacha thinking???
I am thinking hung jury and Stephens sentences her to life. I don’t think there will be a unanimous decision on death, imo. My personal feeling is that I hope she does get the death penalty because it would be cruel and unusual punishment on behalf of a cellmate to have to live in jail with her if she doesn’t.
Overall- does not much matter to me because she will get another bite of the apple eventually.
B
Geffner was the last witness called- depending on yr own personal viewpoint he was a success or a failurefor the defense- IOW his new est testimony didnot differ much if youve heard it before you heard it again- Demarte totally inexperienced
He took Demarte to task- yet all testimony depends on whther you choose to believe him over Demarte-or sympathize w demarte over his characterization of her
The strangest question Martinez asked him was IRT whth or not he was moving closer to juror 1 while testifying…ok
also questioned him on his demeanor that of laughing smiling- took offense to his calling Demartes testing testimony as asinine-
—BTW two jurors were dismissed yesterday- Judge will choose 2 alternates
Closing was for defense all about whther or not Jodi Arias 27yold (at time of murder) the young woman without a criminal record who suffered from mental illness -who was religious (converted to Mormonism) -who had the misfortune of meeting loving then being manipulated abused by Travis and therefore could not cope deserves the death sentence “You would be killing this girl…”
Spoke of Jodis remorse- to which the entire gallery of Travis friends and family got up nd left the court room–
I feel sorry for them- what happened to Travis was horrible
yet should this be cause for mistrial or reversal on appeal? who knows…but IMO they clearly tried to influence the jurors with thee and other “testifying”
Martinez went after …the lies- even those that now were shown werent lies… claiming still no porn – said Personality disorder (not according to his expert witness) was not an excuse for murder…talked of Geffner not interviewing the Hughs of calling demarte asinine….and Jodis lies…again and again brought forth the autopsy photos- clearly in an attempt to inflame jury- did not according to tweets bring up the gun last -
I have to believe the tweets did not do his closing justice for it seemed disjointed and rambling
as for the defense thru tweets Nurmi seems to have fallen way short- and why didnt they call their last witnesses? IMO they should have embraced possible BPD under umbrella of NOS defined by geffner- and went further into disassociation…
Nurmi has the last word perhaps hell pull it together—
Blink thanx for weighing in I agree- although with the families outright crying and leaving in unison I am not sure if it will be a hung jury- the family may have succeeded in getting any holdouts to over sympathize with there stance of no forgiveness only death as punishment…
Stephens should have declared a mistrial on the exodus in court in the first place. That Judge has never had an ounce of control of her courtroom and the family is limited in expression to the victim impact portion. Maybe their goal was to influence a mistrial?
Was juror #1 one that was dismissed, and what was the reason for the dismissal?
Sheesh.
B
sorry for many mistakes/typos- and adding AJMO Peace-
Thanks for the response Blink!!
In Arizona,it is estimated that the cost of sentencing to death and everything that comes with that sentencing- the state funded appeal etc etc- is 7 -8 times higher than housing and appeal system for those sentenced to LWOP
http://deathpenaltynews.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-real-cost-of-death-penalty-in.html
Interestingly, at least one soruce claimed in (2014) that inmates in California PREFERRED keeping death penalty intact, because if they were given LWOP,they would no longer automatically get state-funded lawyers for habeas corpus claims,
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Death-Row-inmates-oppose-Prop-34-3891122.php
Does Arias automatically get a state funded appeal if she is sentenced to life without parole? I can’t find info on that through ordinary means!!
It means it is not automatic, she would have to prove indigencey and she would be at the behest of the rotation of pro bonos as well.
B
Blink I agree on Stephens
Interesting thought “maybe their goal was to influence a mistrial”
No it wasnt #1 it was #5 n 12 not sure why they were dismissed.
Lottery replaced by 2 and 13 wont be needed unless another juror lost-
Nurmi has finished He asked them to spare her life- -
its now in Jurors hands-
ajmo Peace
Blink writes:
Stephens should have declared a mistrial on the exodus in court in the first place.
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It certainly was a moment, and Sandy Arias did the same thing and was also ” excused” for behavior- I wonder if the problem lies with what instructions Stephens may have said to the families- if Stephens was vague and simply said vague things like” don’t show emotion…. if you are unable to contain your emotion, please leave the courtroom”- is there a written statute about leaving the courtroom during statements?Is it up to every individual judge?
Anyway, lack of clarity on JSS part could have given both families a leg to stand . If JSS wasn’t clear, the families would be kind of damned if they did and damned if they didnt- leaving them to risk an outburst of emotion IN the courtroom or suffer consequences of leaving courtroom in order to hide those tears..
I think that both Alexander and Arias family members are now well versed in what would lead and what would not lead to a mistrial, and I can’t imagine that the Alexander family would want a mistrial.
I could understand a show of solidarity amongst themselves if one of the family members just couldn’t take it anymore, and I can also understand what it must feel like for the mother of the defendant to feel confronted with her own failings that had to be brought out for the sake of her daughter, and the potential loss of a daughter she didn’t seem able to parent for much of her ( Arias) life.
It is clearly an emotional atmosphere and I send a prayer up for the right thing to happen.
who I only read one tweet claiming Arias mom left the courtroom-
You could be right…
Still one woman leaving at the mention of Abe testimony is different and has less impact I would think than the entire family w/ friends leaving in unison- while Defense is speaking directly to remorse wouldnt you agree?
AJMO Peace
Jury is deliberating-
according to tweets
jury
asked for list of exhibits- granted
asked to work thru lunch- granted
alternate juror #2 asked if she could switch with a sitting juror- refused
Hello friendies. Hope everyone is warm, safe…..happy!
I’ve been reviewing the evidence and the case rather casually…whilst for this to come to some kind of ending. I still can’t get over a detail…and it bothers me ( as do many others involving Travis’ murder).
How could anyone live in a house that was overcome by the stench of decomposition? None of his friends remarked about it, nor is there any indication anyone searched for the source. The first time I noted it was even mentioned, is when CSI entered the home, covered in protection garments to prevent contamination. Written on one statement, an investigator noted it was the first thing they encountered upon entry…..the smell of decomp. (There was another statement, I realize. I didn’t read it).
How? HOW??? The roommates were mostly home, too. One was in his bedroom; the other had a g/f there, hanging out. It seems so irrational. Drugs? It took a phone call almost a week later to arise concern…but not the stench?
How did she pull this off? She had to have known no one would be there. The roommates stated they all came and went as they pleased. They didn’t keep tabs on each other. They could all be in the home at the same time and not know it. They didn’t hangout with each other. How would Arias be privy…..if Travis himself, didn’t know when his roommates were coming and going?
Can’t compute how time was on her side to kill Travis. It does seem she prevented Travis from crawling out of the bedroom, to prevent the spreading of blood to the hallway, etc.
mom 3.0 writes:
Still one woman leaving at the mention of Abe testimony is different and has less impact I would think than the entire family w/ friends leaving in unison- while Defense is speaking directly to remorse wouldnt you agree?
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Actually I don’t agree or disagree- I know blink has weighed in on her opinion that such a departure would be grounds for a mistrial, and I noticed a pundit or so who said the same thing. I have also done my internet searching to see if specific rules exist that are held in a higher regard than the individual judge who is ( or is not, lol) in charge of the court room- just can’t find any laws that were broken…
But the point is that the Judge did NOT rule a mistrial based on that action. Is it another appellate issue? Perhaps we will find out!!
ragdoll writes:
How could anyone live in a house that was overcome by the stench of decomposition?
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You know I have always wondered why the roommates didnt have more to offer in the way of testimony, but I do recall at the very beginning reading flores initial reports of those interviews and it looked like their presence was more like renters who had their own rooms, as opposed to actually living full time in the house like a happy bunch…( don’t have doc that at my fingertips but I am sure it is accessible through sites that have all docs)
ANYWAY, i will share something I myself experienced- that in NO WAY is the same as a decomposing body, but ..
There is a space beneath a sink in a bar area of my home. It doesn’t have a door ( previous owners, lol)
but I noticed an ever increasing and HORRIBLE smell coming from that area. I called rat exterminators.
They found there was a teeny opening around a small water pipe outside the house ( that was the pipe to the sink) A rat had chewed through the wore mesh covering the slightly larger hole for the pipe…. and unable to get out, just died there. Now this smell was so strong when you got next to the sink it could make your eyes water. YET only ten feet away, NO SCENT AT ALL. This rat was a scary huge ” California tree Rat- the body was a fat ten inches long, the tail another 8. BADLY decomposed, maggots the whole sickening bit. What Kept that horrendous stench from getting through the house?? It was technically enclosed.
Just the way a shower stall in a closed bathroom down a ten foot hall and another closed door was.
I dunno. I recall, that maybe a roommate said they smelled something , but it takes air to make a scent travel. I don’t remember if we ever heard that there was an air-conditioning system and fan that serviced the WHOLE house, or if there was a separate unit for Travis’ quarters, or if it was on or off. I also don’t recall if the shower door had been closed- but I am imaging it was… and the photos show that his body was scrunched up and contained within the shower, so the door MAY have been closed….
As far as officer arriving and immediately being hit with smell, we have to remember that was AFTER the discovery of the body and after the doors to Travis quarters had been unlocked , allowed people to go in and out-
To me the bigger question is why none of the roommates was concerned about the fact that Travis had left his phone behind. But this can also speak to the lack of communication between all of the people in the house- who seemed to be just renting rooms as opposed to a group of friends who really lived together- cooked and hung together every day.
If this isn’t unsettling….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc4PpcwwWoA&feature=youtu.be
I’m sorry but why would a news outlet record this in the first place? Bizarre.
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Who…
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts. I agree and got the same picture of the living arrangements. They weren’t buddy buddy with each and the house seemed more like a rental with the owner also being a resident. I never knew that the smell could be contained. I understood the power and intensity but assumed (that word) was penetrate. It makes sense that once Travis’ bedroom door was opened, it would be over coming. Your explanation is most helpful.
Also, it bothered me too, wrt the phone. The fact that they came and went without talking or seeing each other, made it more clear they all had no knowledge of habits, schedules, whereabouts, etc. Thry truly did not communicate with each other. So, seeing the phone and shrugging it of seemed consistent with the lack of connection between roomies. They really did mind their own business.
Appreciate your help, Who ☺️
PS….live long and prosper. Rest in peace, kind and gentle man.
Last tweet of Leonard Nimoy, and seems so fitting on Travis’ thread:
A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP
12:36am – 23 Feb 15.
Speaking of what does the Fox say, this made me giggle a tad and…uh duh:
AZ prisons director has told officers to “keep their distance” from #jodiarias when she arrives to avoid manipulation attempts. Cell waiting
Snipped from @ troyhaydenfox10 Twitter.
Blin writes:
I’m sorry but why would a news outlet record this in the first place? Bizarre.
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Money.
Please not advertising clip before the video.
The equation is simple: more eyes on the news outlet allows then to charge more for advertising.
Now that they have found a way to monetize the internet with ads , it is being approached the same way they do net work tv. High ratings on a hit TV show equals value per second of advertising time.
but then you already knew that!
typo- meant to write please NOTE advertising clip before the ( like a prayer) audio/video.
who thanks for getting back to me as always yr points are wellmade and well received
I have enjoyed the discussion
Im gonna bow out now- wnted to post as to not leave you hanging-
Ragdoll always such kind and insightful posts-
BOC is made all the better with you and your advocacy-
Take care guys
AJMO Peace
Bless your heart Mom3.0! You are such a gem…and you know I’m one of your biggest fans. Blessings dear, sweet friendy! xo
Geez…auto correct! My comment from feb 27 @ 4:22 pm…. Penetrate should be penetrable. I don’t need auto correct to make me poster child of poor spelling and grammar
LOL
xoxo
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Mom 3.0
Im gonna bow out now- wnted to post as to not leave you hanging-
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Long road right??? PLEASE come back after verdict!!! You have provided so much insight in examining the full picture from many different angles!
Agreed…..we need ya here Mom3.0. I’m so fascinated by your posts…and friendLY’s remarks. The posts have been superior. No shock to me
Will do guys-
Thank you for your appreciation- truly
Truly, thank you for putting your heart and soul into helping the victims and their families, Mom3.0. Your advocacy so gold and I cherish you and your precious heart. God bless you, sister friendy!!! xo xo xo
If there’s a hung jury, shoukd Juan keep at it til he scores, or go LWOP?
If he settles, what will he do for media prominance?
This is a complete shonda. I mean- this is the second jury for the penalty phase who tells this judge they can’t reach a decision and she sends them back? Martinez is out of ammo if they hang- Stephens has 45 days to decide her sentence and the death penalty is off the table.
There is no way in my mind this jury can reach a unanimous verdict after watching this circus.
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Hung jury!
http://abcnews.go.com/US/jodi-arias-trial-jury-reached-verdict/story?id=29226362
Yes, where’s who to tell me I called it again, lol. I am so very sorry that Travis’s family is going to have to endure more of this hell and I blame Martinez.
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my opinions
–N Grace is the drama queen from hell
–the sister(s) suffered more due to a never ending trial, hitting the slaughter-replay
button over & over than from the actual crime
–the wailing and wailing should have been in a soundproof glass booth enclosure.
imo its impact was directed at the future Sentencer.
This form of communication during active Court proceedings was wrong.
I have not seen the footage- just the copy- is there a link?
Stephens has never had an ounce of control in that courtroom so I don’t expert her to start regardless.
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I happened to be in hotel room & saw on CNN live.
Now Grace and Company are simply cutting, splicing, & spinning.
Rose- I find myelf agreeing w/ yr opinions
Blink Im not who but – yes you called it again
Heres what I found interesting-
it was an 11 to one split the juror who held out felt that several miigators were proven and proved to be a factor for her to vote against the DP
BPD was a mitigating factor presented- for the hold out this was a big mitigating factor
the other 11 felt she suffered from BPD but felt it wasnt mitigating-
the 11 are angered by the hold out- they PP felt she “had an agenda”
Yet it seems her agenda centered around her personal feelings of the mitigators which were proven
according to one juror thoughts- the hold out argued that the 11 were using DP as revenge…
The 11 did not care about the computer- the porn- the Mormon beliefs and they felt the emotional abuse was reciprocal and that JA suffered NO physical abuse
I think it is a travesty that there are those online who are sleuthing this holdout and who are basically vilifying her for following the judges directions to help w/the impasse-
She did her duty by considering all proposed mitigators…for her it seems they rang worthy of considering life over death
My prayers to her and to all the jurors to Jodis family but most of all to the Alexander family and friends
AP
I am not sure we can say what these jurors considered- but I completely agree that in my view this jury was looking to use the dp to satisfy the family and that is not the law.
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Blink and all
(who RD Rose etc )
do you think there is any chance that J. Stevens will sentence her to life w/possibility of parole?
a&P
ps (( Ragdoll))
Bottom line…no bella vita in prison.
I just don’t get the 30 period before verdict is announced. Another stab by JA to the Alexander family? No pun intended. What on earth can she gain by delaying the inevitable?
…and juror #17 may think he/she is JA’s angel….but juror misconduct can be an appellate issue for defense. Why not? #17 clearly lied at voir dire. Jurors claim there was no way 17 would go for DP throughout deliberations. Defense m.o. = whatever it takes, including lying about domestic violence and victim character assassination. Glad to hear the jury didn’t buy into it.
They did what they could, God bless them.
This pic tells the story http://tinyurl.com/qfxyspn. (Lots of tears on this end, too, for the Alexander’s)
This isn’t over imho
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Oops….30 day period.
a few good snips from various sources posted on this FB page. Didn’t know #17 was a potential problem, as per Beth Karas’ FB post on Oct. 24, 2014. This can be seen on following link:
https://www.facebook.com/Justice4Travis
Faith. Hope. Love. Above all these, love.
Sherriiff Joe says no interviews for JA. How did Troy Hayden score this comment? I think he’s crushin’ on her despite being in her face after her 2013 media circus.
https://mobile.twitter.com/troyhaydenfox10/status/573561536884568064/photo/1
Blink, it appears there was only one holdout for “life” and she refused to deliberate. It is too bad that there was no remedy for that. The eleven that voted for death clearly want the Alexander’ family to know how frustrated they were with this juror.
We had one case where the jury hung because one of the jurors claimed he couldn’t find the man guilty because he knew the defendant in a previous life and knew the defendant would never commit such a crime. The cas was re-tried and the defendant was convicted.
Grace- I agree the jurors perception may have been it was 11-1, however, I doubt highly that is representative of 6 days of deliberations in this penalty phase to include a death sentence. Imo, juries with a single holdout do not last long- but I do respect your point.
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