Jodi Arias Trial Verdict IS IN: GUILTY Of MURDER In The Slaying Of Travis Alexander
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Phoenix, AZ- In the 4 month long trial of Jodi Ann Arias for the murder of her brief boyfriend Travis Victor Alexander, the jury deliberating since last Friday has arrived at a verdict in her case. Arias was found guilty of the pre-meditated murder of Travis Alexander on June 4th, 2008.
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I felt she was crying for herself: feelings of existential aloneness:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/10867581/
Her greatest punishment would be lwop in isolation.
Someone mentioned Wilmott and Nurmi as wanting DP Certified attorneys but I was under the impression BOTH already are. Does anyone know for sure? Would the court even allow attorney who were not to represent someone on a possible DP case?
Although JSS is obviously very, very cautious regarding grounds for appeal, isn’t there an automatic appeals process with all DP convictions?
The fact that no one in Jodi’s family is speaking for her is immensely telling, not even her sister or brother? I also agree none of the proposed *mitigating* factors actually mitigate this crime, what they represent is most people’s average lives. Her only hope, imo, is take full responsibility, admit she lied re: Travis’ pedophilia and plead for any mercy. In other words, the DP cannot come soon enough.
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Ragdoll says:
May 15, 2013 at 9:47 pm
Hi Ragdoll-
You post hit a chord with me on many points.
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I’ve done so much soul searching regarding this case. My heart aches over and over for Travis’ family….and for Travis…..his potential and life time dreams drained out of him with his own blood. I feel like I know him and….I miss him. How strange is that?
> Exactly – I feel the same- I guess it is a mourning- while the trial is coming to a close- we as on lookers will cease hearing about Travis’ life and his family, and while we all ‘won’, he is still dead. I felt similar after Morgan was found- somehow the mind tricks you like the resolution you want really might actually bring someone back.
~ snip~ from Ragdoll
I have to concede, as a Christian, I do have compassion for Jodi. What she did was heinous. It was cruel. It was selfish and monstrous.
>I agree here only in the sense that we as humans feel this way- but I think I am placing normal feelings onto her- that which dont exist. That is where I can stop myself, because sadly she does not have those- she has been given chance after chance to expose them and she has failed. Haven’t we all waited with baited breath for the right words, the final act of remorse to peak out and yet all we get is more hate and torture? Nope- she is incapable or plain unwilling imo.
I do think there were some issues in her household- her parents were gone working most hours of the day at 6 diners at one point, and we have learned her younger sister has some issues requiring therapy away from the home- unrelated to JA. I would also offer IMO, her younger brother appears a bit troubled. So, I do feel there was a need for some intervention into family therapy many years ago. Hindsight 20/20 of course. I feel awful for them as a family, and I wish JA would give her mother the opportunity to say her peace at trial- but alas- she will continue to be the bi@#$% that she has been known to be.
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@Sammy, so very sorry for the loss of your cousin. Heartfelt thoughts and prayers for you and your family.
@Ragdoll
Thanks go to blink for my “handle” “hat”. Another Pam came along and blink suggested “pamspa” for me. I added the z cuz she was teasing me about spazzing when the verdict was reached during the guilt phase. So it is not for short it is for long lol.
As to Jodi tears, like you I do think they were genuine. The only genuine tears I have seen from her at all. Notice she did not hide this time. But like you and others here I do not think at all it is because she feels bad for causing their grief. To me those tears are for her. That she did not become a part of that lovely family, that no one loves her like that, that she does not have people that can speak of her like that. Scott posted that he thought she may have been crying “with” them and that is also a very good possibility.
Also, awhile back ATG has posted something along the lines of Jodi becoming physically ill or…if she is isolated. Sorry ATG that I cannot quote you exactly (my memory is not that good but no fog) But I am bringing that up because of her appearance. You are so very right and it has not taken long. It is becoming very real for her that she was not able to lie and manipulate her way out of this. Yes the medication also has something to do with her appearance, and I also think the medication helped with the tears. She was relaxed enough to not have control and in her weakened state the tears came.
Jodi Arias is clearly evil. I do see traits of borderline n her, without a single doubt. However, this is not what “makes” her evil. I say this from experience. I have posted before, that my daughter was diagnosed with borderline (bpd) and her teen years were a struggle and then some. We sought the help we needed early and she is now 20 and doing quite well. As we were going through dialectical behavior therapy, her therapist and I determined that I, too, had struggled with bpd, yet have basically “grown out of it” as most who have this mental disorder do. I was able to function….chalked it up to depression….and was undiagnosed. I have experienced the overwhelming feeling of complete emptiness…it is like you feel invisible, very difficult to explain. The constant fear of being abandoned….and most of all, people with bpd are extremely overly sensitive. When someone says something hurtful, we hurt more. It is tough to explain, but I can tell you it is very real. I can also say that it is this fear of not being loved and being abandoned that leads to the manipulation….anything for the sake of the relationship type mentality. I recognize now that I have manipulated, although I can tell you that I have never had an ounce of feeling to ever hurt anyone, certainly not physically. And my daughter….she has a heart of gold! I have no clue why I had/have this, as I came from a loving family, and we provided a very loving and affectionate family for my daughter. All of this being said, and having been in group therapy with my daughter and others with bpd, I can say that I do think jodi arias struggles from bpd, but also much, much more. I wonder if her parents had sought the help she so obviously needed early on….if we would have a different outcome from her today. That her parents turned away when she moved into an infested trailer as a high school dropout is very telling. Just my opinion!
Ragdoll
Your post about how Steven was affected mentally does show a difference regarding the current generation. My generation would not think or be affected as he described. Men were taught to understand, but to not be devastated by events. They hurt on the inside rather than on the outside. Is that good? Maybe for some.
Then, we also have to understand that these young people were born into a disfunctional family that abused them. Their only hope was the effort their mom-mom was able to make. She apparently did a reasonably good job.
PamSpaz
Your reference to my post about Jodi becoming physically ill from her mental problems. I believe that we have far more control of our physical being with our thinking mind than most realize. Happy people do not have as many physical problems as do those that constantly live in a state of mental imbalance. We have a body that is regulated by some automatic functions that rely on chemicals and small electrical impulses. When these become unbalanced because the mind is not working as it should, then the body becomes dis-eased.
Arabian Girl says:
May 17, 2013 at 8:36 am
Someone mentioned Wilmott and Nurmi as wanting DP Certified attorneys but I was under the impression BOTH already are.
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@Arabian Girl, I have read that Jennifer Willmott is death penalty qualified, but not sure about K. Nurmi.
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Regarding JA’s appearance: She has been incarcerated for five years and carries the pasty, pale complexion of inmates who are rarely exposed to sunlight. Regardless of her psychological make-up, lengthy trials take a toll on defendants, especially when they are facing the possibility of a death penalty.
As for her crying yesterday, I feel the tears were real. I think she believes she is grieving just like Travis’ family and wants to be perceived as a victim just as they are. Imo, her obsession for Travis persists to this day.
I think Jodi’s tears are genuine and I think they were not just for her I think she picks up on the feelings around her like a child and genuinely feels bad about killing Travis Do I think she’ll say she’s sorry-No-whatever she says is going to make people hate her more anyway.Travis’ brother and sister look so much like him I think that might be part of it I found it interesting that his brother quoted from his book the line”I will forgive and I will forgive more” I like the stumbling block-stepping-stone line,too. I was sitting crying,too. What I don’t understand is people who don’t know either of the families calling for her death-like where’s the rope and the nearest tree? I think they are worse than she is. I can understand his family wanting revenge-I’d probably feel the same but I would hope someone would restrain me There are a few people I know who ,well, I won’t go so far as to say I want to kill,but…….My list 1. My mother’s oncology doctors who gave her simultaneous chemo and radiation,then shipped her to another facility to die so she wouldn’t be counted in their statistics-and went on vacation and 2.My son’s father who threw me out to live in my car when I was pregnant(just to make himself feel strong,I guess)
@kat
“During Steven’s statement, just before he describes where he now has to go if he wants to visit Travis, I saw Arias smiling behind her hand! You could tell by her eyes and I could also see the corners of her mouth turned up in a big grin! What an evil POS.”
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OMG, I thought I was seeing things!! She is soul-less
I wonder if she will still have “magic” in her underwear as she sits on death row.
Any guesses to why court was abruptly cancelled yesterday? My guess is they are scrambling trying to find someone to be a character witness for the MURDERESS. I don’t think that they want to use Patti Womack. I heard that her friend Patti has a criminal record and was in rehab for alcohol and heroin abuse. I’m sure the defense didn’t think that THAT would get out. She was on Nancy Grace last month, selling her wedding video and pictures because Jodi was a bridesmaid. Some friend, huh? Her aunt (that has now stopped coming to court) wasn’t asked – why not? Her parents aren’t speaking for her, no siblings. Why not? Maybe everyone knows what she really is and no one wants to get up on her behalf, except for Darryl Brewer. During the trial, Darryl didn’t want his face shown during his testimony. Now he’s willing to do it, on camera. What’s changed?
Why would Jodi’s mom attend the trial every day, and then not speak for her at the end?
As to Kat at 1:47am, here is the link of JA smiling behind her hand. Start at 7:00.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD8mGcmlwkk
I think Jodi’s tears were genuine sadness for a love lost. She was crying like a brokenhearted girlfriend would cry at a funeral/memorial service when beautiful memories or lost opportunities are brought up. It was like she was going back in time in her mind and placing herself into their family history/memories.
When they mention “the person who killed their brother” she doesn’t think they are referring to her because even though she knows she did it, she doesn’t think it was her fault at all, it was his fault. In her mind, Travis had a choice and could have stop this at anytime. All he had to do was choose to be with her, choose her to be his “eternal help mate” despite what she had done to him and they would have lived happily ever after. I also think that she truly believes that Travis has forgiven her and that he would want her life to be spared because of course nobody knows Travis like she does.
We haven’t seen any real tears out of Jodi for her impending doom and we never will because she lives in “Jodi Land” and believes her “knight in shining armor” is still coming to save her.
AJMO
48 Hours (on CBS) is airing a new special tonight (5/17/13) at 10:00 p.m. EST called “Unravelling the Lies of Jodi Arias”.
Thank you Blink
Pamspaz says: To me those tears are for her. That she did not become a part of that lovely family, that no one loves her like that, that she does not have people that can speak of her like that.
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I agree with you and that is what I meant when I said earlier: She hated him for being loved by so many who didn’t love or accept her. And then he didn’t love her either.
She was in that community for quite a while after breaking up with Travis. Apparently she only found acceptance by being Travis dirty little secret. I believe she had a friend or two and Travis had threatened to reveal the truth about her to them.
Jodi didn’t come from a close knit family or a large extended family like the Mormon church provides. She couldn’t find acceptance within the Mormon church; she was just too different. Within a group like that there’s almost a code behavior: a way to dress, a way to look, a way to act. At the same time Travis experienced tremendous acceptance within the group (and PPL). He was almost a rockstar to them.
Early on she basked in that love and acceptance by being associated with him. Later his friends would warn him that Jodi was no good for him. They would tell Jodi they didn’t want her around. The rejection must have been overwhelming. But it seems that final rejection from him put her over-the-top.
I don’t know if Jodi suffers from a personality disorder or mental illness or if she was simply hurting so badly that she acted in a completely irrational way by destroying what she couldn’t have. It seems to me that she intended to get away with what she did whille leaving no doubt that it was Jodi who did it.
I’d love to hear others’ comments on this idea.
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/22283599/2013/05/17/jodi-arias-expected-to-testify-during-penalty-phase-monday
If this woman does not fall on her knees monday cry a river and tell how much she repents to have killed Travis in an injust and gruesom way but instead just testify to tell who she is ,that will not help her at all. I think that we all as the Jury are tired of JA and at best wish to not hear her speaking at all.
The trial was bad, but the penalty phase has become ridiculous.
First, I have read how JA is a master manipulator. When then are there not beaucoups of friends coming out of the woodwork to testify on her behalf? My personal take is that JA isn’t really that successful at manipulating people. I suspect that she was always a little strange, and that the men she was with always saw her is “Miss Right Now”, not “Miss Right”, but some of them still seem on friendly terms with her.
It also doesn’t appear that people prior to her relationship with TA saw her as Cruella DeVille, either. To TA and his Mormon friends, her attitudes and lifestyle would have stood out and raised flags that many others would not have noticed. To many single young men, a sexually aggressive girlfriend would be thought of as a good thing.
Obviously, at some point she became a homicidal stalker. But, I find it hard to believe that there is no-one to walk to the stand to defend her. To a great extent I suspect this is due to JA controlling her defense. I suspect some (many?) of her old friends are shocked by her actions. Some may not want to be a TV defending a murderess. Most worrisome to me, is that many people who consider themselves “victim’s advocates” and become so filled with righteous hate for JA’s actions, that they have gone to the Dark Side and now hate anyone who testifies on her behalf, defends her in court, or even speaks in less than reverential terms concerning Saint Juan. That has not been the case at BOC, and we can thank Blink for that, but many loosely moderated sites have lost control. I have read of death or physical threats against the expert witnesses who testified on her behalf. I suspect that many potential witnesses have been scared away by these hate-enraged mobs.
I sincerely hope that the George Zimmerman Trial is not televised. As passionate as people have become with this case, where guilt was obvious, despite the detail being vague. A case like Zimmerman, where there is reasonable evidence to go either way, will set social media on fire, and create animosities that will last for years. Blink, as much as I enjoy reading your analysis of prominent cases, I hope that your coverage, if any, is deferred until after the trial is completed.
@Loni, I am so sorry for the loss of your brave uncle. I imagine all families that have experienced the murder of a loved one have similar victim’s statements that the Alexander Family shared. We cried with them and we cry with you.
@ Inda my thoughts on your idea, I do think completely that she intended to get away with it. One difference I have from what you wrote is that I think she only wanted Travis to know that it was her, rather than leaving no doubt that it was her. She does not want to be perceived as a killer and did not want anyone else to know except for Travis. She needed/wanted him and only him to know that she was taking his life. I do not think this was all because she was hurt so badly. She is disturbed on so many levels. If she had friends where are they now. They had to go back to a friend she grew up with in highschool to speak on her behalf, plus an ex boyfriend. No she could never reach the level that Travis did in his personal relationships, professionally and in his soul. She has not done anything worthwhile except to latch onto others and be a part of their life and love instead of having her own life and love. If there was anything redeeming about her those would be used for her mitigating factors. But look at what they are using. Her age???? I do not get this one at all. It is not like she was 16 or so. She was a good friend.??? Not sure about this one either again they had to go back to highschool. Her artwork. Well that is copied. Point is she was not accepted for a reason. When you have an entire group of people and cannot gain acceptance from any of them well, that to me say there has to be something off with that person. I am going on and on. So simply put, I disagree that this was done just from being hurt. I also think she has some disorder/mental illness.
@Starsky. imo attorneys’ difference of opinion with Arias is her refusal to put family on.
I’m not a psychiatrist, and if I were I’d be unethical & incompetent to diagnose someone I never met. But as
an armchair HLN watcher, I’d place my bet on dual-diagnosis personality disorder-nos as well as
bipolar or perhaps schizoaffective. An aspect of our world is the rich like Hinkley get the best of psych
workup & rehab, and those without get much much less in terms of diagnosis & treatment. Personally I think
the bipolar part drove the rage/slaughter rather than the PD as primary force.
@ Eloise says:
May 17, 2013 at 9:17 am
My dear dear E friendEEEEE. Thank you for sharing feedback on my post. It helps to know someone understands my heart. Indeed, she has been given chance after chance after next to the last chance saloon. I cannot lie….I’m back and forth. I can feel compassion in the sense that, she is still a child of God. I feel so much for her family. On the other hand, the image of Travis’ body laying in the shower resonates in my mind. It’s haunting….and it’s only a millionth of how much it must haunt his precious family.
I’ve just decided to hand it to the Lord. Whatever outcome it may be, it is His will. This is between her and God. She does seem to have some kind of sense of Him. His will be done, on earth, as it is in heaven <—– So, that's my final answer…..LOL. I understand exactly what you're saying, dear friendy. We are, after all, only human. We are emotional beings. It's always about justice….but, again, I'll refer to Judge BP Jr.s recent 'truthiness' (that word kills me but in a good way)…..the Judge of Judges will make the final decision. I have to put my faith in that, regardless of the outcome, and honour God's hand in this trial. I've seen Him at work in that court room. I saw @ c-words trial, too. I prayed that God would send her to prison for life. Instead, she got off. You can imagine the words I had with Him. Talk about confusion, anger, dispair, frustration….defeat. I thought..if this thing can walk free, then there is no justice. That was when my journey about God and His truth began. I learned about God being a beautiful and glorious Redeemer. First, I had to submit that He was not only right about how it turned it, His will was done. After some time, I accepted it. Then came the next lesson, I didn't expect. "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding: -Prov 3:5. I didn't get it right away. I'm a slow learner, at best. Then, a church friend just happened to quote that very scripture to me weeks after, regarding what I was going through. It was confirmation that God KNOWS exactly what He's doing. He may not show up when we want Him to, but He's never late. For c-word, I can now see she is not living the life she dreamed of. I have to believe it's the exact opposite of what she killed her daughter for. That is justice! I can tell you, that is far more gratifying for me than her being in jail. She would have found a way to adapt to her situation in prison, and still be the center of attention. Not that it's Christian to feel gratification for someone's punishment…but….it made me realize that God can do and make anything happen. I pray His will and I pray, He tightly embraces the Alexander's forever. May they feel His Fatherly love for them; 'A father to the fatherless, a defender of widows, is God in his holy dwelling'. Psalm 65:5 All glory and praise belongs to the Alpha and Omega, Abba, Father, Daddy <3
I appreciate you and your tender heart, E. I love the connection we share. It's a heavenly treasure and so are you! xo xo xo
Posted in love and peace……ajmho
@ PamSpaz
You 2 make great collaborators! Excellent choice. I’m just thrilled to see that word make a comeback, somewhere. O/T….remember that song ‘Betty Davis Eyes’? True story….my brother INSISTED the lyrics were…’everybody thinks she’s a spaz, she’s got Betty David Eyes’. I will NEVER forget that. That was back when I had my whole life ahead of me (heh heh…..it felt that way, anyways).
Spaz, it is. Hugs to you, Spazzie! Great to have you in the BOC family xo
@ A Texas Grandfather says:
May 17, 2013 at 10:28 am
As always, you’re right, sprinkled with life experience.
I appreciate that you and tibious (I apolly if I got that name wrong) added that there are genetic and environment at play. I believe that to be very true. My philosophy, if I was going to make this simple, is that it comes down to nature vs. nurture…or both. Travis defied the odds. So did his siblings. I’m humbled by their fight to live with honesty, integrity…..and grace. This trial has changed my heart for the better. I wish it wasn’t at such an expense.
Thank you, ATG, for your addressing my comments. It’s always an honour. God bless you…and I really believe you should write YOUR life memoir. Yours is no ordinary life, my dear friendy. You’ve given so much to BOC.
Thank you so so much. xo
@ Löni says:
May 17, 2013 at 3:42 am
I want to reiterate Blink’s condolences and express sadness for your loss. One thing to lose someone…but to murder?
I pray you have found the means to put one foot in front of the other. I have you in my heart and prayers, Loni. You are such a kind, sweet, gentle soul. So happy to have you in the BOC family.
God bless you and yours, Loni. xo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guIdiLdNti4&feature=youtu.be&fb_source=message
Blink – This YouTube video of Samantha’s statement to the jury was powerful. At the 33:11 mark is JA making the throat slitting gesture as Samantha walked back to her seat. It is absolutely chilling to watch. If you don’t want to post it, I can understand. I only hope some of the jurors saw it too.
I saw it as it happened. I am not prepared to say it is a willful threat or gesture, imo.
B
Watching the 48 Hours about the case… Did anybody else think that Jodi was trying real, REAL hard to look like Nancy Kissel? It’s uncanny.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Robert_Kissel
I would like to hear a diagnosis on Jodi from some kind of Dr
But since there seems to be none
I just have to accept what this jury decides
I am for the DP for people like Ted Bundy child killers seriel killers snipers
In this case I just have to set back and let the jury do their Job
We can’t just kill people because they don’t want to marry us or we don’t fit in their life style
I don’t know what else to say really
Have any of you considered the meds that Jodi is taking affecting her behavior? She appeared to me to be all but asleep as the family presented their victim impact statements.
She was behaving like a happy drunk that is so out of it everything is funny.
Maybe that is the only way the defense team could meet their requirement that she be in the court to witness every part of the trial.
When the mother and the father do not try and defend a child, this tells me that they have given up on her. The mother was trying to get to see her when she was placed on suicide watch. Stated to reporters that she was not allowed into the jail area. That doesn’t mean that she does not love Jodi. She just cannot find a way to defend her acts and behavior. A very tough place to be for a parent.
I am willing to accept that some of the thoughts I am about to express are most assuredly not going to be very popular. I feel strongly enough about them that it is a risk I am willing to take.
Being a practicing Catholic I believe in the after life. I believe in
the Kingdom of God and everlasting life. That being said, I also believe in evil. There was a time when I was young and receiving my education that the church got away from teaching the concept of evil. This was a mistake that they rectified..thankfully.
I see wonderfully engaged, intelligent, caring people post their thoughts here. Many are trying to reason out how/why JA could do such a thing. It’s as if once they find the answer then they can rest easier. Sometimes there is no answer other than the existence of pure evil.
We, as a society, feel the need to “fix” everybody. If we learn the reason “why” then we can “fix” it. Not everybody is “fixable.” I think that we, as a people, are too compassionate and fail to recognize what is looking us right in the face.
Please don’t take this to mean I believe “the heck with everyone of these people”. In Catholic school we were taught there are no bad people just bad choices. 99% of the time this is true, it is the 1% that concerns me. I don’t know the answer as to what we should/could do about the people that fall into the latter category.
I just think that we need to learn how to accept that some people can not be helped. Stepping in and nurturing them from birth will not make any difference. The JA’s of the world are dangerous and no amount of intervention can fix them..
I guess my point is that in order to identify these type of people early on, hopefully preventing some tragedies, then we must learn to get past our innate need to “fix” everyone. It is a skill that we must learn so that we can protect ourselves and our loved ones.
I do not mean to sound cold or uncaring..lock them up and throw away the key..but we really need to learn a way to differentiate between troubled youths and the JAs of the world.
I believe that there is evil in some people that cannot be fixed through any means.
B
Sue says:
May 17, 2013 at 10:03 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guIdiLdNti4&feature=youtu.be&fb_source=message
Blink – This YouTube video of Samantha’s statement to the jury was powerful. At the 33:11 mark is JA making the throat slitting gesture as Samantha walked back to her seat. It is absolutely chilling to watch. If you don’t want to post it, I can understand. I only hope some of the jurors saw it too.
I saw it as it happened. I am not prepared to say it is a willful threat or gesture, imo.
B
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Sue, thanks for posting this link. I watched the clip and I think JA was wiping away the tears that had run down her face to her chin. She missed a few. If you look closely you will see tear drops fall onto the front of her blouse.
Sammy, It was heartbreaking to read your cousin’s story. I am so sorry for your loss.
Loni, please accept my condolences on the loss of your beloved uncle. My youngest uncle was shot in the back and my family never received justice. As you know, a murder in the family is so devastating and leaves scars that never quite heal. God bless you.
on reflection, maybe Def attorneys have a good argument the State forcibly hospitalized & overmedicated their client during the dp phase resulting in bizarre affect & diminished communication skills (as demonstrated by these videos).
How about that for an argument to withdraw? Its not like she herself ever pleaded ngri (though she should have).
Malty says:
May 17, 2013 at 10:37 pm
I would like to hear a diagnosis on Jodi from
some kind of Dr
But since there seems to be none
I just have to accept what this jury decides
I am for the DP for people like Ted Bundy child
killers seriel killers snipers
In this case I just have to set back and let the
jury do their Job
We can’t just kill people because they don’t
want to marry us or we don’t fit in their life
Style.
I don’t know what else to say really
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I appreciated your comments and found they contained much wisdom. Thank you
Notes from tonight’s television program about Jodi Arias:
Altered mental states which are of such magnitude that a person has little or no awareness of their behavior are very, very uncommon.
So what is very reasonable to conclude is that this person acted out their rage and told lies about it afterward.
If someone after a crime engages in behavior that suggests an effort to cover it up then that would not be consistent with amnesia.
If you didn’t remember it happened what’s the need to cover up something.
It takes a certain kind of person with great chutzpah to go on national television and tell a big lie to the entire world.
If a person has an intense need for something and a clear consistent boundary is put up by another individual and if ultimately that need is never going to be satisfied that will create an intense level of rage.
Dr. Stuart Clyman, forensic psychiatrist
A Texas Grandfather says:
May 17, 2013 at 11:48 pm
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Have any of you considered the meds that Jodi is taking affecting her behavior? She appeared to me to be all but asleep as the family presented their victim impact statements.
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YES! ATG, part of being in a psych ward would involve medication. It would be so difficult to determine what kind, since many anti depressants and anti anxiety meds can cause extreme drowsiness and that catatonic-like expression. However, one particular med is coming to mind….and she could very well be on seroquel. It absolutely ‘fogs’ a person up. It’s used, particularly, for schizophrenia, but it can also be prescribed as a sleep aid, in a much lower dose. It knocks you out and leaves you feeling lethargic and out of it.
JMHO
@ ATG
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She was behaving like a happy drunk that is so out of it everything is funny.
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That sounds like adderall. (mho)
@erose says:
May 17, 2013 at 06:02 pm
@Ragdoll says:
May 17, 2013 at 03:42 am
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Thank you for your compasion.<3 as you all are here gentle souls searching for the truth and seaking justice for the victims.
when I think back, there were some parallel to the Arias case. My uncle was in fact a very nice und very brave person. The man who killed him was in debt and needed money. He was working as a butcher and had a wife and two children. My uncle knew him little. One day this man went to my uncles house with the purpose to get his money. As my uncle did not want to tell him where the money was he tried to strangle him. As my uncle could fight back the butcher took him and tried to drown him in the bathtub. As my uncle did not want to die and fought so hard against him, the butcher got a knife and killed him this time. As the trial went on this man said my uncle was homosexual and made him advances. Wich is Not true and never was. My uncle was divorced and had a child. We the family knew this man was liyng. Anyway this man was found guilty it came out at trial that this man lied all along and that his only purpose was to steel money. This man got a life sentence wich is 15 years. That is our justice system sometime a farce…
Only time can relieve the pain that is what i had to learn sadly and it takes long time.
Sorry typo in previous Post:
Only time can relieve or ease the pain. Sorry…
There should really be a law that prevents from trashing victims. Where are the evidences for pedophilia for example in Travis case? There are NONE! It should have been prohibidet for the defense that without any supportativ evidences to bring up those claims. Beside the fact that Travis suffered a gruesom death it was certainly really painfull for the family of Travis to have to hear such bs.
Ragdoll says:
May 17, 2013 at 9:42 pm
@ PamSpaz
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Thank you so much Ragdoll. I feel like I know most folks here from back in the c word days. Slightly remember that song.
@ATG thanks for responding to what you had previously said regarding her health. Completely agree with you that happy people are healthier. My Aunt once told me I would live to be 99 because of the way that I am always laughing. Likewise I have seen stressful, sad people become ill, so ill that they could not survive.
I swear I thought there was mention of how the isolation would make Jodi health deteriorate. That is what I am seeing now. Ever since her verdict she has been going down hill. Yes she is obviously on medication. But she has been more isolated ever since her verdict. The the way things have played out, she has not had the benefit of having court everyday. Could it be she needs the medication because of how she is being isolated?
As to her parents, I think her mom would tesitfy for her. It is probably Jodi that is rejecting that. Also, there would be a contridiction with what the defense is claiming regarding neglect and abuse as a child. I do not think there was abuse. My opinion is that she is just claiming this to make it more acceptable/justified for killing Travis. Not saying she had a perfect childhood. But rarely do any of us.
Sad for both families.
TGF said: “When the mother and the father do not try and defend a child, this tells me that they have given up on her. The mother was trying to get to see her when she was placed on suicide watch. Stated to reporters that she was not allowed into the jail area. That doesn’t mean that she does not love Jodi. She just cannot find a way to defend her acts and behavior. A very tough place to be for a parent.”
My take on Jodi’s mother not being able to visit with her daughter while she was on suicide watch is exactly for that reason. If a person is suicidal, perhaps seeing her mother – or anyone for that matter – may set the individual off and cause that person to act out at that time or later. Suppose Jodi’s mother, with all good intentions said something unknowingly to Jodi and Jodi took it the wrong way. The facility (County/State) can not take any chances. Jodi’s mother could be a volatile person right now and Jodi’s mother may not even realize this herself. Then even her own mother may have caused a possible suicide attempt.
The psych facility may have used the excuse that all her visiting hours were at their max already, just to avoid any confrontations with the media etc.
JA is extremely medicated. I’m sure the jail is on board with this. They just want her to receive her sentence so they can get her transferred in one piece to her next destination. She is still aware of what’s going on and is still in control of her defense. Maybe she’s just not that rageful about it. I don’t know about you, but I saw extreme rage in her when she gave the interview right after the verdict. She was not humble, she was not submissive, she was not depressed. She was like a volcano ready to erupt and I would bet when she got back to the jail, the guards on hand knew it too and got her to see someone in MH right away. Poof – then she was sent out to be clinically sedated on suicide watch and held for observation. She’ll remain on some heavy drugs until she leaves. That is why the post in front of her cell 24/7. And to insure that she is taking the meds that will get her through til the end of the trial. The crime she committed was extreme, this trial and everything surrounding it is extreme, and everything going down now is extreme and must be met with the same amount of extreme caution.
Ragdoll says:
May 18, 2013 at 3:26 am
@ ATG
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She was behaving like a happy drunk that is so out of it everything is funny.
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That sounds like adderall. (mho)
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Hi Ragdoll, and good morning! Adderal is not given to adults in most jails because it is a drug of abuse. A lot of inmates use prescription drugs as legal tender, trading drugs for just about anything. Judging by her level of attentiveness and concentration on the stand for 18 days, and listening to to three experts who evaluated her, imo, JA has no reason whatsoever to be prescribed Adderall. Same is true with Seroquel which is an antipsychotic medication. Seroquel is also a drug of abuse in correctional settings, and in inmates who have no diagnosis of psychosis, it would not be prescribed for sleep ( off label use).
The benzodiazepines (tranquilizers/sedatives) are used for inmates in trial who complain of anxiety (e.g. Ativan, Valium, Klonopin). Antidepressants are also commonly prescribed for complaints of depression.
Hope this info helps. Have a fabulous day, my friend!
Are Jodi’s parents going to speak on her behalf?
@Inda
“I don’t know if Jodi suffers from a personality disorder or mental illness or if she was simply hurting so badly that she acted in a completely irrational way by destroying what she couldn’t have. It seems to me that she intended to get away with what she did whille leaving no doubt that it was Jodi who did it.
I’d love to hear others’ comments on this idea.
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I think it’s all of the above. It’s sad she didn’t have a mental evaluation early on in her life. But, if left to her own devices I believe she will kill again. At the least she needs to be incarcerated for the rest of her life for the horrific, inhumane slaughter of Travis Alexander.
I will simply say what I have always maintained- and that is as an investigative criminal analyst, if I am strictly evaluating the crime scene as to the interaction between the offender and the victim, I do not believe that we know all of what is “wrong” with Arias, and that is if she acted alone.
If she did not, it would explain a lot about the incongruency.
B
Was Jodi abused as a child? We have little evidence that it occurred. What I believe happened is that Jodi could not as a child accept any type of corrective actions to modify her behavior. She resisted all efforts and chose her own way. Running away from home at age 15 or 16 and blaming everything on someone else was her answer.
She made her life a fantasy in her mind and lived accordingly. Truth was not something she understood so she became a person who told stories containing some truth and a lot of fiction. Being faced with people of principle was something she could not understand.
When she met Travis, she saw an opportunity to better her life by becoming what she thought he wanted. She did not understand that people are not isolated in life. They must interact with others to be complete. Those that learn to love and be happy are different from those that live in fantasy. Jodi could not handle the rejection of Travis’s friends and family. And when Travis himself rejected her, it was more than she could bear.
She thought about what to do for weeks. During that time she decided that if she could not have Travis, none other could either. The only way that could happen was if Travis was dead. Therefore, she began her plan to make it happen.
There was no “fog of forgetfulness”. This was proven by the very things she did to try and remove herself from the murder scene and those began with hiding her whereabouts prior to and after the murder. However, she has a mental problem brought on by making evil choices early in her life.
She behaved like a pyromaniac often does when setting a fire. They have to visit the site of their work and talk about it with others. The fact that it took LE six or so weeks to confront Jodi with her acts points to the fact that she did a reasonable job of covering them up.
As we have witnessed during the trial, she thinks she is smart enough to BS her way to an acquittal. As all who do not face the truth, there comes a time when society forces that to happen. This happened when the court found her guilty of the charges. Now she will face life in prison or death depending on the choice of the jury.
Is this a description of evil? Yes, I think it is although there are many details not given. Society has the right to make rules of behavior and one of them is “thou shalt not kill”. When those rules are broken, society must act to punish the person breaking the rule.
Confronting evil is an opportunity to learn how it manifests itself and how and what can be gained from the experience. Society in its various segments can apply this knowledge to making our world a better place.
We cannot change Jodi and the things she has done. She must wait for the time when our creator gives her another opportunity to become a good and loving person.
Sue says:
May 17, 2013 at 10:03 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guIdiLdNti4&feature=youtu.be&fb_source=message
“Blink – This YouTube video of Samantha’s statement to the jury was powerful. At the 33:11 mark is JA making the throat slitting gesture as Samantha walked back to her seat. It is absolutely chilling to watch. If you don’t want to post it, I can understand. I only hope some of the jurors saw it too.
I saw it as it happened. I am not prepared to say it is a willful threat or gesture, imo.
B”
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Jodi’s made this thumb/hand throat gesture during the trial before. Could she be wiping the tears as they trickle down her neck or ????
IMO this woman has not one iota of empathy in her hollow, corrupt soul. Jodi cares and cries for one and only one….herself.