Kyron Horman Missing: New Years Eve Settlement Ends Horman Marriage
Portland, OR- In a surprise court hearing, Judge Henry Kantor signed off on the agreement between Kaine Horman and Terri Moulton Horman to end their marriage this afternoon.
Details of the agreement have not been released publicly, but according to KGW, a financial settlement to include child support and a lump payment to Terri Horman has been reached.
In what can only be described as a bitter family court feud- the divorce matter was last in court on December 16th to decide if the Horman landscaper, Rodolfo Sanchez Estrada -who alleges Terri Horman tried to hire him to murder Kaine Horman at a lunch meeting – would testify.
Judge Kantor has not yet filed an order from that hearing but Attorneys for Terri Horman were granted a continuance from the pending temporary custody motion scheduled for December 19th and 20th.
BOC Associate Editor Tarin Kenley contributed to this report.
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@Blink
I am curious to know if you know why Dede Spicher picked Chad Stavley (an attorney practicing mostly as a Personal Injury attorney). I somehow missed that he used to work as a Prosecutor in the Multnomah County’s DA’s office, so I was just wondering who recommended him to her? If anyone.
Her original counsel that she sought a referral from for a potential criminal matter (counsel was a Real Estate lawyer).
B
Stumbled upon this in my searches today, from the MKH website, it’s a pretty good list of newspaper articles in chronological order, though it’s written in a way to search Terri, not what was going in in the searches for Kyron. Figures. Thought it might come in handy in searches though.
https://m.facebook.com/missingkyronhorman/photos/a.125436494154623.14645.125336750831264/1013950768636520/?type=3&p=80
Some witness saw Kyron between 9:05 and 9:20? Where?
A major point of that 8:43 time stamp photo is that witness accounts are probably saying kyron came in after the photo. So if TH was somewhere else at that time she could not have taken Kyron directly. If there is no account of anyone seeing him after he left EM’s room, and he left with someone and at the express request of this someone how can DY, KH, TY, LE, the school, the DA, et cetera et cetera et cetera NOT suspect that someone. Not one person in that whole mess of people thinks hey what a coincidence a kid disappears right after he went somewhere with that guy. Who is he? Does anyone know? If they do what could he possibly say to turn attention away from himself?
I thought he resided in her condo & was a friend.
maybe that was the real est atty.
yes
B
@TRuth. He arrived in Mathews’ rooms shortly AFTER the time the 8:43 pic
was taken per Blink’s witness. That is consistant with Terri waving bye in the hall at second bell
(8:45).
I caught this story in my yahoo feed, about a mom catching a pedophile online.
https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/mom-helps-catch-a-predator-by-posing-as-her-son-194421725.html
I then went to the accused guy’s Facebook profile. He shared an interest in the Kyron Horman case. THIS is the type of predator MCSO needs to be looking for, not the mother that tucked the child in every night… There are so many of these guys lurking, hiding behind masks, just waiting to pounce at the first opportunity.
Facebook link: https://www.facebook.com/byron.caudill.9/posts/971811809526149?pnref=story
T. Ruth says:
November 6, 2015 at 2:02 pm
Bell/Bus schedule 2009-2010
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools-c/bell_bus-schedules_09-10.pdf
Bell/Bus schedule 2010-2011
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/news/4398.htm
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So if I’m reading these right then, and based upon what J. Gerlach wrote above, there would have been, just like Abernethy, a first bell @8:40, which means get your little behinds to class. And @8:45, you should have been IN class.
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The district approves the final schedule for each level of the schools, but there is some leeway within schools for the length of time between the regular bell and the warning bell.
The warning bell time is not necessarily the same as the bus arrival time, and can vary depending on the size and arrangement of the campus. Granted, the variation would only be a few minutes, but we are talking about very specific times relating to photos, etc., so in this case it could be helpful to know (1) the internal schedule for Skyline bells at that time, and (2) whether the bells were ringing automatically that day, or rung by the secretary to suit that particular day.
(I worked in a school where the secretary was supposed to ring the bells all day on certain occasions, and she kept forgetting until people would call the office and ask her to ring it – not saying that happened at Skyline, but people do get busy.)
O/T
This is sad stuff for older people
http://www.oregonlive.com/gresham/index.ssf/2015/11/kidnapped_great-grandma_says_s.html
@CD, My thought was that DY somehow extrapolated the email TH did send to the email DY claimed (5 yrs. later) that TH sent. Never was it stated that TH emailed Porter 2X until May 2015 and only by DY. If TH did bring the paper work in for Porter to fill out the day before the SF, at what point would TH have sent the email to excuse Kyron for school on the 4th or the 11th. That doesn’t jibe with me. I think your third theory of keeping her groupies convinced seems the most plausible. I also think if TH had sent Porter an “excused” email, it would have been blasted in the media.
cd says:
November 6, 2015 at 12:37 am
Well said, amen!
MockingbirdSings says:
November 6, 2015 at 1:52 am
snip>
In this case, parents were invited to tour with their children, apparently as early as 8 AM. I’m not sure it was clear children were not expected to show up early unless accompanied by a parent. The buses arrived as usual. There was no reason for Terri to think the school wouldn’t accept responsibility for Kyron at the usual appointed time – and she did not leave before that time.
[I can still find nothing to excuse the school for losing this child.]
And is further consistent with everything we know about TH’s timeline in that school that day. We have learned that they arrived around 8:15 am and had to back track to get the coat and back pack out of the car. TH took photos of the project, Kyron and the project and Curtis and his project and GZ was witness to that. She also had a conversation with GZ about the t-shirts.
Blink just stated on the previous page the last room they visited was McBeth’s and then at about 8:45 she left thinking he would go to his class room and be placed in a supervised group. I assume that would be the expectation of every parent who sent their child to school on the bus.
Was Porter’s the only class that let the kids run amok, or was a free for all from 8:45 – 10:00 for the entire school? What about the kids that came in off the buses, were they put into groups or did they show up to a teacher-less classroom with no supervision, no chaperons? (Things that would surprise?)
Rose says:
November 6, 2015 at 7:25 pm
@TRuth. He arrived in Mathews’ rooms shortly AFTER the time the 8:43 pic
was taken per Blink’s witness. That is consistant with Terri waving bye in the hall at second bell
(8:45).
@TKG, OMG!
@Malty, We can only wonder what her grandson had planned. Thank God she kept her wits and got out of there.
@mbs. I am totally on board with everything you wrote about bell schedules (& you are the pps expert here).
I just suggest Keefer & company were not sophisticated & planful enough, nor S Hall organized & supported by other office staff particularly with an overflow of visitors enough, to do the usual by hand manual shortened periods for the SF actermath. Shortened periods are important in high school, but not so in el ed when you are mostly in a home room. So I submit these laid back admin & office types stayed automated, and the 9:45 would been treated as a wind it up return to home base & visitors begin leaving bell (combined with a loud speaker announcement), & the periods would carry on regularly, as K-5 benefit from regularity.
@ T. Ruth says:
November 6, 2015 at 3:56 pm
Some witness saw Kyron between 9:05 and 9:20? Where?
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in context above, and previously, per B’s witness,
Mathews’ room, and saw him
depart with SZ after Mathews nodded her head ok.
@ cd. The problem with ANY timeline is that every timeline is not based on info interviewed by LE, and VERIFIED, & released to public.
Every timeline whether by self-interested FB pp run by the illiterate, blogs like WS or SM, OLive & its sister ships like kgw, is that they are based on unverified often inaccurate info & tgen they just copy each other. Kudos to Blink for not attempting to construct a timeline but posting verified isolated facts. ie, time stamp in Mathews room before K’s arrival, 8.43; his departure 9:05-9:20 (eyewitness). The only timeline events that matter are those relevant to the abduction. To me that eliminates everything except the Mathews’ room events.
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Nevertheless here’s my input. To me anyone who subgests a time fir anything needs a verified indepent source, not OLive or kgw or MK FB.
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cd says: “could fill in what we collectively know. It might be interesting to see a timeline of Kyron sightings and activities on June 4.
approx??? arrival, parking on street in front.
(I suggest they were a little late relative to other families due to need to park on street)
approx ??:?? Kyron is seen returning to his parents pickup truck along with TH and Kiara to retrieve his backpack. (famous Kyron saw it all statement by DY?)
approx ??:?? Terri takes picture of Kyron standing next to his science project.
(supposedly about 8:30 per Zimmerman)
approx ??:?? Kyron walks down hall to homeroom class says goodbye to Terri
approx ??:??
(supposedly between 8:40 & 8:45 bells)
Kyron is seen by Brian P says hello then Kyron goes down stairs
approx ??:??
(that’s Tanner P. What’s interesting is the lame reporter never asked Tanner if K was traveling with anyone. K seems an easily led type who’d respond to a kid saying “let’s head down” without a 2nd thot.)
Kyron is seen in gym with other children
(I do not think this is verified. Possibly he, k & T went to the gym)
approx ??:?? Kyron is seen in class with the electric exhibit (Matthews classroom?) (this must be after Kyron is seen in gym because he was not seen after this)
approx ??:??
Kyron is seen being ask by a stranger to help unloading automobile
approx ??:?? Kyron is seen leaving building (with stranger)
(all 3 above are between 9:05-20 per BOC verified witness )
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/12/31/kyron-horman-missing-new-years-eve-settlement-ends-horman-marriage/comment-page-276/#comment-2248682
what mcso needed while impressions were fresh was to focus on K’s last sighting (M’s room), id each & every warm body in that room, and do very indepth interviews & get pics if any. All the other timeline stuff is irrelevant imo.
I am suggesting all “timelines” to date have been timelines focused on Terri as perp, not Kyron as abductee, and are therefore inherently misleading..
The only Kyron abduction-focused timeline
starts from the moment & place he left safe
direct supervision (Terri) to the moment last seen.
The other relevant time is SZ’s.
We know he was inside the school by 9 am.
We know he was gone by 10 am when adults w/out business in
school were to leave. I doubt he was an employee or
daily contract repairman, or he would not be unidentified still.
To my knowledge, there are a limited number of witnesses who saw SZ BOTH enter the building, and exit with Ky. I do believe to date he is unidentified but what confidence do I have that was ever attempted when not a single bio was ever given a description? I get that the description matches many other males that day- but Waaat? Investigative Intel 101.
B
OT Here’s a professional Q for you, MBS.
http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2015/11/ohio_teen_found_13_years_after.html#incart_story_package
The kid’s 18, hasn’t got his college/scholarship appls in yet, & is in his Sr year Fall (grades matter).
What woukd you do?
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I would disclose my findings to the 18 yo alone, and suggest alternatives., ranging from call LE, to joint
mtg with father, to wait awhile then decide if he wanted to report & see mother, & everything in between.
I think the best course would have been to help him get a workable SSN, get all appls for college/sch in, then
have a joint meeting with father to advise yiu’d like to inform LE but were leaving the timing to the 18 yo.
Of course father could flee, but the kid’s 18 & needn’t go with him.
Respectfully Rose- unless you were his GAL or therapist, through set of circumstances, I am positive his advisers only action given the circumstances was to alert LE- that is proper given what I know of the case. Many times that is unfortunately the way to jump start social services he may need- clearly, as he was unable to seek FAFSA as a result. Outside of GAL and therapist that I am aware of, that is really the only two exceptions where such a judgement call might be “yours” in that situation. Without speaking to LE- his adviser could have no verified information as to the parental status of really, either party.
I really wish people would stop seeking self help measures and effing with their kids lives. O/T I would like to know specifically how he was flagged because if you can believe it- the IRS is NOT allowed to flag #SS numbers of missing children. At least they were not allowed to previously- who knows, maybe they can from the servers in their homes. Snark alert.
B
Rose says:
November 6, 2015 at 7:25 pm
@TRuth. He arrived in Mathews’ rooms shortly AFTER the time the 8:43 pic
was taken per Blink’s witness. That is consistant with Terri waving bye in the hall at second bell
(8:45).
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I have never heard that Kyron and Terri parted ways after the second bell. I thought it was the the first bell, which would be 8:40, according to the schedule. (Unless like MbS suggests, something had changed that day.)
But thanks I was reading Blink as the picture was taken just after Kyron was there, instead of just before, so that’s where I was confused, my bad.
8:40 Kyron & Terri part ways
8:41 TP sees Kyron in the hall
8:43 A picture in EM’s room is taken before Kyron arrives.
Here I also get confused, because Blink says “just minutes” after the picture was taken Kyron was in EM’s room? What is just minutes? I was thinking 2 or 3, but if SZ was seen between 9:05-9:20 in that room with Kyron, then where was Kyron and what time did he actually arrive in EM’s room?
9:05 – 9:20 is somewhere around the time SZ & Kyron exit the room?
Do I have this right? If so, where and what was Kyron doing between 8:43 and 9:05/9:20? Using the bathroom and followed maybe?
I just don’t get why this information cannot be released for purposes of furthering the case. Someone may just be able to help out in adding pertinent info and/or disputing this child’s whereabouts. Why are they handling this case so differently than other missing children?
T. Ruth- I, and as you know, many here share your frustration in the timeline issues to say the least. Unfortunately, there are more unknowns than “knowns” for me-
MockingbirdSings says:
November 6, 2015 at 11:22 pm
T. Ruth says:
November 6, 2015 at 2:02 pm
Bell/Bus schedule 2009-2010
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools-c/bell_bus-schedules_09-10.pdf
Bell/Bus schedule 2010-2011
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/news/4398.htm
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So if I’m reading these right then, and based upon what J. Gerlach wrote above, there would have been, just like Abernethy, a first bell @8:40, which means get your little behinds to class. And @8:45, you should have been IN class.
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I should have added that although there were district changes in response to Kyron’s disappearance, I’m referring to the way they were when I worked for PPS, and I believe still were in 2009-2010.
@thatkewlgirl says:
November 6, 2015 at 10:43 pm
Thanks for the link. Yes, it’s scary to think that the perp might be posting right along over on the MKH/Soldiers pages. Makes me think back to that dude who was posting and calling Kyron “special K”. I sure hope they looked at him and his circle of friends. Creeps me out to this day.
cd says:
November 6, 2015 at 2:09 am
Good list. Unfortunately, most all those times are still ??? As far as Kyron arriving at school “with science project”, it’s my understanding the projects were brought in the day before. Also, I’m sure you meant to post Tanner P., not Brian? Also, the “Kyron saw it all”, didn’t we discuss that and come to the conclusion that DY meant the “credible witness” saw it all, when she used the words “he was there”, “he saw it all”. ? I’m starting to forget things.
Where does DY’s newest claim fit in? That Kyron was seen in front of the building moments after his photo was taken in front of his project by TMH, and that was the last time he was seen? Why does DY have different information than us? If that photo was taken between 8:15 and 8:30, as indicated by Gina Zimmerman, then when was Kyron seen in the gym sans TMH? It would have to be before that according to DY, would it not?
@Blink.
perhaps he had an illegally purchased, or even a concocted number, like say an illegal immigrant’s child might use.
My Q to mbs is, professionally speaking, does a HS guidance counselor have the same ethical duty of confidence to an adult client that say a college counseling — even a community college — dept therapist or counselor has?
If so, imo it’s the 18 yo’s choice.
“schools must have a student’s consent prior to the disclosure of education records after that student is 18 years old”
“Examples of situations affected by FERPA include school employees divulging information to anyone other than the student about the student’s grades or behavior, and school work posted on a bulletin board with a grade. Generally, schools must have written permission from the parent or eligible student in order to release any information from a student’s education record.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Educational_Rights_and_Privacy_Act
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So what is the PPS counseling privacy policy for adult students? as contrasted with:
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/08/03/privacy-loophole-remains-open-after-outrage-over-u-oregons-handling-therapy-records
“In February, the two health center employees who interacted with the student after the assault argued that accessing the records was a violation of patient confidentiality laws — or at least a violation of the institution’s own policy.
“I am disheartened to inform all of you that [we] had to report the potential illegal and unethical behavior of certain individuals in our department and those advising our department to the appropriate agencies and university higher management,” Jennifer Morlok, the student’s therapist, and Karen Stokes, an executive assistant at the campus health center, stated in an open letter.
In a statement, Frances Bronet, senior vice president and provost at Oregon, said that the university’s lawyers scanned and preserved the records but did not actually read them before returning them to the health center. “I urge UO students to use our counseling and mental health services without fear that their counseling records will be disclosed to other parties or UO departments,” Bronet stated.
The university’s confidentiality and privacy policy states that there are a number of exceptions to keeping a student’s records private. Those include if the student provides a written release saying information can be released; if there is an “imminent danger” to the student or others; and if a court orders the records released. According to a 2014 version of the policy available through the Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine, a court order was the only allowable exception related to legal action, and one was not made here.”
The issue Blink is whether an educational institution receiving federal funds may divulge records
(written or oral) of an adult student without permission. There is no indication this man was in need
I would suggest that to a school system
receiving fed funds, an SSN is an educational record.
?
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/files/general-counsel/PPS_Student_Privacy_Statement_Confi.pdf
Maybe when Porter took attendance at 8:45 – 9:00 AM Kyron was there so he was not marked absent at that time, but when/if she took attendance again at 10:00 AM Kyron was absent. Which was why she thought he left with Terri and was not absent the entire day.
But the why would Porter think he left with Terri after the start of class if Terri did not appear in the classroom and take him with her. Maybe Kyron went missing during the school/teacher organized SF tours and Porter assumed he left with Terri?.
I am unclear about when these groups formed up but I do remember Tanner’s story of Kyron being missing from a group either before or after the tour. This group must have ended around 10:00 AM when attendance was taken again(IMO this is probably when Porter notices Kyron is not/no longer present)
T. Ruth says:
November 7, 2015 at 1:25 pm
Where does DY’s newest claim fit in? That Kyron was seen in front of the building moments after his photo was taken in front of his project by TMH, and that was the last time he was seen? Why does DY have different information than us? If that photo was taken between 8:15 and 8:30, as indicated by Gina Zimmerman, then when was Kyron seen in the gym sans TMH? It would have to be before that according to DY, would it not?
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I don’t expect any of times actions of Kyron’s timeline to fit in with anything DY’s claims. I also don’t believe DY has different information the us. If we stick to what DY says which is probably untrue or altered/enhanced (in her effort to create drama) then I don’t think we will get anywhere with Kyron’s timeline.
Even if at the 8:45 – 9:00 AM attendance Porter thought Kyron left with Terri wouldn’t she be required to mark Kyron as absent albeit an excused absence(not sure about this). So if she was required to take attendance at 9:00 AM what did she put down for Kyron. With all of the stuff about the daily color card etc.. I don’t believe that Porter just failed to notice Kyron was not there. We know his coat an backpack were there so it would not be that Kyron never made it to his classroom but that he never returned to his classroom.
@Blink. I am suggesting federal law shields student info, particularly 18 yo + adult students, from reports to riminal authorities of ssn (or other record) anomalys &! to the Federal govt w/o student permission, and that includes the NC for abducted children. If this kid’s life & college appls & sr yr is messed up badly (& how could it not be), I hope he sues his school system for the value of 4 yrs of college, housing, food, & expenses.
Not sure what Statute you are referring to Rose- but as far as I know, having recently been through this process- No SS# are kept in school records, and I would object if that request was made of my kids, for ID theft reasons, etc, however, it is required for FAFSA and school applications- even for possible self pay students. This is a good thing especially considering most secondary education receives some form of Federal aid or grant.
Additionally, FAFSA has a bridge if you will- to parents IRS filings which automatically populate.
B
Rose says:
November 7, 2015 at 10:18 am
OT Here’s a professional Q for you, MBS.
http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2015/11/ohio_teen_found_13_years_after.html#incart_story_package
The kid’s 18, hasn’t got his college/scholarship appls in yet, & is in his Sr year Fall (grades matter).
What woukd you do?
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I would disclose my findings to the 18 yo alone, and suggest alternatives., ranging from call LE, to joint
mtg with father, to wait awhile then decide if he wanted to report & see mother, & everything in between.
I think the best course would have been to help him get a workable SSN, get all appls for college/sch in, then
have a joint meeting with father to advise yiu’d like to inform LE but were leaving the timing to the 18 yo.
Of course father could flee, but the kid’s 18 & needn’t go with him.
Respectfully Rose- unless you were his GAL or therapist, through set of circumstances, I am positive his advisers only action given the circumstances was to alert LE- that is proper given what I know of the case. Many times that is unfortunately the way to jump start social services he may need- clearly, as he was unable to seek FAFSA as a result. Outside of GAL and therapist that I am aware of, that is really the only two exceptions where such a judgement call might be “yours” in that situation. Without speaking to LE- his adviser could have no verified information as to the parental status of really, either party.
I really wish people would stop seeking self help measures and effing with their kids lives. O/T I would like to know specifically how he was flagged because if you can believe it- the IRS is NOT allowed to flag #SS numbers of missing children. At least they were not allowed to previously- who knows, maybe they can from the servers in their homes. Snark alert.
B
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Well, although Blink has covered it, here’s what I know –
Schools here used to require your SS number and use it as your student ID. They don’t anymore, because it was too easy to steal your ID. Students would often forget their SS number when applying for loans or grants and ask us to look in their cum files for it, but it was usually not there anymore unless someone had put in a court document or other paperwork without thinking about it.
When you are 18, you are considered an adult in Oregon, but if you are still enrolled in a public school, the school district still works with your parent in the same ways it always did. There were always some limits – for example, from age 12 on, a student would have to give permission for even a parent to see drug related information (offenses, treatment). Unless you are legally declared an adult at 16 or after by a court, or married, your parent is still going to have to give financial information for your FAFSA whether you live with another family or not, etc. You would think all that would be private information, but counselors are still asked to help sometimes. Some school administrators consider that if you register for school and your parent signs the forms and all the other stuff, you are giving permission for your parent to be involved (not saying it’s a legal decision). Some schools allow 18 and over to write their own excused absence notes, sign themselves out of school, etc. It’s a bit of a can of worms, IMO. (Nobody wants to give 18 year olds in high school who are still dependent on their parents that much “power”.)
There are a few details missing in the story relating to the counselor and how this information was discovered. Certainly at the point where a counselor suspected or knew this was a missing child or any other issue which could be related to a crime, the only option is LE. Most (or all) schools have you report to your administrator to contact LE and you are obligated to be sure they do, or the administrator tells you to do it.
When the student came to me with what could seem like a clerical error or typo at first, I would have agreed to look into the problem to the extent I could with the limited knowledge I would have. But, I believe it would have been unprofessional for any counselor to have immediately talked to the student about what was discovered, or to ask to meet with a parent. It might even have been dangerous for any or all of us. I certainly would not have enough information to do that even if I had the right, and no power or right to suggest alternatives.
After I made contact with LE, I would have questioned them about what resources they would make available to help the student after he was told, and offered to help as needed. I would attempt to make sure that his (adult) age did not disqualify him from services as a victim of a crime.
After the story was known and became public, I would follow up with whatever I could do to help the student, and as long as he was in school, I would talk to his teachers every day to see how he was doing emotionally and academically. I would help to assure his privacy – perhaps altering his schedule or entrance/exit locations (as I have done before). I would hope he was provided outside counseling and I could work with that person to coordinate issues at school. If not, I would push the school district to provide help at least in the short term. I hope he has peer support, and I would facilitate that if possible. I also hope he has some support through a faith community.
I wish parents would realize what enormous problems they can cause for their children, and I pray the son finds the strength and support to deal with the shock and loss involved in all of this. The rest of the family on both sides will also have a lot on their plate. I really, really hope the father does not commit suicide (it was mentioned he was on suicide watch) and provide his son with yet another horrible lesson in dealing with life.
MBS- I sincerely appreciate your comprehensive and compassionate response to Rose. I soooo get where Rose is coming from out of concern and protection as she, you, and others spend their professional lives doing in multi-disciplinary aspects. That said, we have to remember such issues at the HS level cannot expect to be met with appropriate training and experience, most especially once the allegation of criminal behavior surfaces.
B
cd says:
November 7, 2015 at 6:04 pm
(snipped)
Even if at the 8:45 – 9:00 AM attendance Porter thought Kyron left with Terri wouldn’t she be required to mark Kyron as absent albeit an excused absence(not sure about this).
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@cd – If it is attendance time and a child is not there where he is supposed to be and KNOWN to be in someone else’s care in the school at the time, he is absent, whether excused or not. Sort of a no-brainer. Attendance means at school.
It’s another reason I’d like to know the actual schedule for the day. If she did not mark Kyron absent based on seeing him early, then seeing his coat and backpack, thought he was in the bathroom once, expected him to be in another classroom for math (where he should have been noted as absent), and they went to lunch, recess, talent show, and pretty much home – it seems to me there is at least a chance that Ms Porter did not mark him absent at all. I have always thought the secretary called her after Kaine and Terri showed up, and they figured out he had been absent, at which time the secretary went into the computer program and marked him absent – only she could make that change after the school day ended. Might not be true – but it explains to me why they had such trouble with the attendance questions later. Nothing about their policies and procedures indicates to me that it could not have happened this way.
It really doesn’t matter so much what the teacher thought the parent was doing – there was only one correct way to handle attendance.
@Rose – I considered an SS number confidential, but not an educational record – the school had no need for it, and as I said earlier, stopped asking for them and using them as the ID number for students. Medical insurance companies giving ID cards did the same thing regarding the cards you carry around with you.
“@ cd says:
November 7, 2015 at 5:42 pm”
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/12/31/kyron-horman-missing-new-years-eve-settlement-ends-horman-marriage/#comments
Your point is well taken, and since DY (aka anonymous source) was a primary source for media like Olive, kgw etc
all along about facts of the investigation, she was likely overrelied on as credible by media, thus much erroneous and unverified info was published.
@Blink. wrt SZ’s timeline. You are saying one or more witnesses saw him enter for the furst time? Which door?
Was it shortly before he entered Mathews’ room? was his time on site quite limited indicating he was quite
focused on abduction? Did he enter near the known (from online bldg drawings) lower floor k area?
I am going to answer this way- I am aware of one witness I have interviewed that indeed saw SZ both enter the building and exit after entering Matthews room, the exchange with Ky/Matthews and Matthews apparent non-verbal permission. There could be many other sightings I am not privy to so I dont want to taint or preclude.
B
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/
Already a totally professional look to Zabel not present under Keefer & esp Sage.
Crisp Principal’s letter
random Twitter feeds by a few teachers & Sage with all those pics of little kids gone.
Eagles Nest PTA newsletter back.
Bell schedule prominent.
If nothing has changed:
1) 2nd bell – 8:45.
2) Likely in 2010 Porter planning period was recess before lunch.
So Terri, knowing that, had no reason to write Porter
at 1:20 re project pickup except CYA with the bios
because she didn’t want to haul k back there to pickup K.
Imo she relied on Porter not answering.
OT Thank you mbs & blink. I asked mbs because I knew she’d be comprehensive, compassionate,
pragmatic, & on top of policy.
You got that right Rose- thanks for asking the question.
B
I think I misunderstood you Blink. I thought
you meant him come into the school, but
you meant him both come into Mathews’ room &
leave it. A few people–probably 2 adults, who may not have
looked directly at him, & Mathews who gave a glance but not more.
The children on a kindergarden floor in a kindergarden room
woukd’ve been too young to be useful witnesses. And what older
kid, what middleschooler would lone wolf it down to a k room?
This was the perfect plan….the absolutely right bldg layout & right
event, but one would want to strike early, both enough after the
8:45 bell that the adults who were leaving with that bell had done so, but well before
9:45 when the rest of tge nonvolunteer adults would drift off. This
was well researched and planned. In mental hospitals can be given work
assignments (jobs) for a pittance. I wonder what Rasmuson’s
was (as he was being prepared
to be released), and what employment he held in lompoc cty on release?
This gives a great deal of personal info re rasmuson
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ca-court-of-appeal/1303388.html
I was looking for IT job hx. It looks like his job hx was meager.
Appealing the Trial Court’s release denial indicates arrogance & grandiosity to
me, some sort of personality disorder. While say Hinkley, out of such mindset,
also appealed denials, he was forced into graduated releases to a
supervised home setting – day visits, then weekends, then more, spread over many years.
There might also have been supervised work releases before leaving fulltime.
Rasmuson had better odds if he’d accepted the denial and forced the staff and Liberty
program to come up with a housing/job plan in advance and done a graduated release to that setting.
interesting mcso Lindstrad makes a gratuitous comment this SO was not in
Mult Cty during the Kyron kidnapping (and that’s nowhere in the zip code of his MO anyway).
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/04/registered_child_sex_offender.html#comments
If any member of the Portland beyond lazy press asked her the same Q of Rasmuson, do you think it would get a cogent reply?
I see from comments on url above Bernstein wrote this bit, & vwoolf
says she is reliant on her for info & investigation (see comments).
Sorry, vwoolf, but imo this article is sensationalist.
And Bernstein, however pleasant Blink is about her, an uber socially and
politically connected journalist, is in my book the least reliable
source of info and investigation on the kyron case.
She and the rest of the network relying on ratings or clicks to get paid “know where their bread is buttered” as my beloved Mum used to say. Refresh me- Didn’t we run Johnson up and down at one point or am I having vuja de?
B
@MockingbirdSings says:
November 7, 2015 at 10:12 pm
I fear in my hearts of hearts that is what exactly happened. If so, THAT one act would have changed the course of the whole investigation. I so hope my fears are wrong.
TNG
I went to that mans web page FB I could not. stomach it That is sick
Not good
T. Ruth says:
November 6, 2015 at 2:02 pm
@Blink says:
The EXIF data is 8:43AM of the pic, Kyron is not in it, I will not state publicly how I was able to conclude that Ky left the room with SZ between 9:05 and 9:20 AM because it would identify a witness, but as far as I know, he was not seen again- although I am not aware of any witness that saw him leave the premises.
B
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What is your theory then, as to why LE is stating that Terri Horman was the last person to see Kyron, even after her attorney told a judge that she can prove she was not?
Is it simply they don’t want to admit they made a mistake? Or maybe, do you feel they are purposely making that statement to mislead SZ?
I have not seen where LE is stating that in quite some time, in fact, I recall Staton openly saying Ky was seen much later than they had originally thought- right around the time he admitted he did not think their investigation was headed in the right direction and decided not to renew funds requests for it.
It is my belief that Rosenthal was told this on the eve of the expiration of the abatement of the civil suit as well-
My theory is that LE, TO THIS DAY refuses to admit they spent 3 plus mill, quadrupled their pensions and persecuted multiple individuals- one of which they openly interfered with her custodial rights at a minimum and did so negligently and recklessly and they fear that all of that is going to be very public and very costly one day- Add to that I believe there is extreme hubris that they do not believe Kyron will ever be found because if he was “findable” they would have.
Who is going to call them out? The press? The bios? The School Superintendent? Terri Horman?
No. No. No and Hell No.
Not being glib T.Ruth, this is my genuine opinion.
B
Rose says:
November 9, 2015 at 12:28 pm
I see from comments on url above Bernstein wrote this bit, & vwoolf
says she is reliant on her for info & investigation (see comments).
Sorry, vwoolf, but imo this article is sensationalist.
And Bernstein, however pleasant Blink is about her, an uber socially and
politically connected journalist, is in my book the least reliable
source of info and investigation on the kyron case.
She and the rest of the network relying on ratings or clicks to get paid “know where their bread is buttered” as my beloved Mum used to say. Refresh me- Didn’t we run Johnson up and down at one point or am I having vuja de?
B
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Lost me. @Blink: Who is Johnson? @Rose: which link?
the url I referred to is here TRuth
Rose says:
November 9, 2015 at 12:08 pm
WRT Rasmuson and Johnson, both have ties/relatives in the Portland. They could have been briefly visiting the area on June 4, 2010 and no one would be the wiser, except maybe their families. A RSO probably would not re-offend in their registered area where they might be monitored, but rather look for areas of opportunity where they would not be immediately suspected. JMO.