Kyron Horman Missing: New Years Eve Settlement Ends Horman Marriage
Portland, OR- In a surprise court hearing, Judge Henry Kantor signed off on the agreement between Kaine Horman and Terri Moulton Horman to end their marriage this afternoon.
Details of the agreement have not been released publicly, but according to KGW, a financial settlement to include child support and a lump payment to Terri Horman has been reached.
In what can only be described as a bitter family court feud- the divorce matter was last in court on December 16th to decide if the Horman landscaper, Rodolfo Sanchez Estrada -who alleges Terri Horman tried to hire him to murder Kaine Horman at a lunch meeting – would testify.
Judge Kantor has not yet filed an order from that hearing but Attorneys for Terri Horman were granted a continuance from the pending temporary custody motion scheduled for December 19th and 20th.
BOC Associate Editor Tarin Kenley contributed to this report.
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@Blink. wrt “Didn’t she have pending civil action at this time? ”
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/12/31/kyron-horman-missing-new-years-eve-settlement-ends-horman-marriage/#comments
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No. Anthony verdict c July 2011 (date above);
suit filed a year later c July 2012 & withdrawn after a year in 2013.
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I was looking for a rational explanation as to
why in her perception “her LE teamed pulled back”
about July 2011 and decided a rational
explanation is not worth my time because none
of this case’s mgmt or bio behavior is rational anyway.
possibilities
–divorce & RO were based on mfh “investigation”.
Divorce was again abated Jan 2011 this time
by mutual consent. Kaine perhaps
cooperated because the GJ had not
yet voted? Think that was continued c March 2011.
–change of ADA. Moawad removed as full-time case mgr
about then. maybe a supervisor revuewed her work product.
–a no true bill issued about then?
–had Desiree done any ofbher TV shows in tge couple
months before early July 2011 that sabotaged mcso/da or
weakened her or others’ witness credibility?
@Malty. wrt “who paid who?” I read it as a new production co/series needed some preproduction film vignettes, & contacted DY with a request to arrange a search they could film to highlight Kyron (her motive–publicity of kyron).
So she scheduled a weekend meeting the film co’s schedule. Then she advertised the date, and Soldier & gofundme
solicited $ for that particular search. Unfortunately, her previous search teams just said no.
It came down to the wire, she said, and Medford Cty chipped in SAR. The primary beneficiary of that search/fundraising cycle appears to be the film co which apparently operates on a shoestring. I fault the film co, not Desiree. The film co should have donated sufficient $ for the search they kinda filmed. Actually Desiree was the film subject, it apoears, not SAR dogs & handlers.
@Rose under comments I said statement
Rose says:
November 26, 2015 at 5:56 am
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2. What was the new tip- that a deer femur would be laying there and make for good drama? I got news for you people- if that SAR team cannot tell the difference between an animal femur and a human femur they have no business organizing a search for human remains
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I did not see any dogs searching until they brought the dog to sniff the bone. I don’t know why they bothered to get a dog to sniff the deer bone if they were just going to hand it over to be evaluated anyway.
My husband calls stuff like that “Plot Development”.
Maybe someone forgot to tell CWD that they were searching for burner phones/evidence not Kyron.
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5. There was a difference in her delivery on some questions that made me think were answered that way to avoid further questions- an example is- for the first time I have seen- when asked why she had not attended the science fair that day she said living 4 1/2 rs away in Medford was challenging at times.
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Since she has answered that question two different ways now I think she just decided not to go for a third answer. I have always thought that DY had told TH and Kyron that she would attend the science fair in Portland and take Kyron back to Medford with her but she canceled out at the last minute. I believe this is why at one point when ask why would TH disappear Kyron she answered that TH was very angry. maybe that is why Kaine promised Kyron ice-cream when Kyron got home from school. Kyron may have been disappointed when told his mom(DY) would not be at the science fair.
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I think that CWD either edited out blatant misrepresentations of the facts and rumors from their show or they explained to DY that they did not want to air un provable comments. There are still lots of BS on the show but not as much as could have been aired considering some of the stuff DY says on her WS page.
CWD probably offered to air the search before they tried to research the piece and since they had told DY they would televise her search they went ahead and did that even without much if any corroboration by others involved in the disappearance( i.e.. Kaine, LE, any one associated with TH). At least they got Kyrons name out there.
IMO eventually if Kyron is not located people are going to stop talking about/ looking for him which is sad for all involved.
And there it is. Thank you.
Rose says:
November 26, 2015 at 5:56 am
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The trio WAS SEEN walking away from the school (not leaving) and returned to the truck, got the backpack, returned to the exact same entrance, all PRIOR to Kyron entering his classroom, and wait for it- there is video footage of TH leaving from that door with just Kiara.
“wait for it- there is video footage of TH leaving from that door with just Kiara.”
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/12/31/kyron-horman-missing-new-years-eve-settlement-ends-horman-marriage/#comments
then why did Frink O’Donnell Rackner & Kaine frame her?
I remember an mcso mouthpiece saying we know everything (or everyone) there that day.
and didnt mcso/da just come clean
during the custody battle over kiara
when mcso/da was directly responsible for interfering with
mother’s custody?
My thought is they believed she colluded with SZ, although how that theory is plausible considering he has never been identified and to my knowledge there is no unknown communications she had to again, any un-named individuals. Enter the “burner phone” presumption. Complete rubbish- any ping from any tower in sync with her movements would have been analyzed. There weren’t any.
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back therefore to framing in the absence of evidence.
any old conviction for Frink, Rees, and especially Heidi due to her
previous negative media trial coverage –jury disliked her method–
would do it seems.
imo investigation might have gone
somewhere but for both bios sideshows.
What parent could know about SZ
walking out of Mathews’ room on Day 3
and not pursue that thread to the nth?
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It seems to me the train wreck happened with
whoever went to scrutinize & interview Rudy (courtesy of
Terri naming him as a threat) and bought his story.
Two steroid-user looking types recognizing and
exploiting each other possibly imo.
I believe that PPS was just as concerned with the immediate investigation as LE was, but went in a different direction. They had to be in crisis mode on Friday and probably dispatched their own team to Skyline while summoning any and all teachers and staff to fill them in. Of course the phone lines had to be burning up between the teachers and staff, how could they not be. All of that is normal human nature. What came of it might not be so normal, however. Meanwhile LE is searching. PPS had a three day jump on everyone, IMO.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/27/opinion/how-to-prosecute-abusive-prosecutors.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share NYTimes: How to Prosecute Abusive Prosecutors
“Federal law already provides a mechanism to prosecute judges and district attorneys as criminals when they willfully deprive people of their civil rights: Title 18, Section 242, of the federal code.
This isn’t some dusty, rarely used legal tool. The Department of Justice typically wields Section 242 against police and correctional officers accused of physical or sexual violence. But Section 242 applies with equal force to those who prosecute and sentence, the state officials whose deliberate skirting of civil rights can be most devastating.
At least, that’s how it is on paper. The federal government has not in recent memory pursued a judge under Section 242, and it has only rarely enforced this law against prosecutors.”
Fascinating.
Too bad Wyden and his political local associates rule Oregon Federal bench nominations such that flakes like the divorce judge (who sought the Federal bench) fall in line with political interests.
And whatever Amanda Marshall, former OR US Atty, was & fell from grace due to, she was a rare independent & uncontrollable by political interests
OT http://blinkoncrime.com/2015/11/24/chelsea-dentist-john-wolf-arrest-allegations-meth-child-porn-beastiality-and-intentional-hiv-infection-of-drugged-partners/
geeze I’m slow. a turkey was on the grill.
ATG good to see you.
with that much meth, big case.
erose says:
November 25, 2015 at 11:30 pm
LE may have not realized SZ ’til day 3, but when did PPS realize the same?
Great question.
B
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My guess: Except for a custodian and the secretary, the staff was gone or heading out the door by the time the Horman’s arrived at the school. It was a long tiring day (even a teacher can smile at kids and parent visitors only so much in a given day), close to end of the year, and chilly wet weather. If I had anything to do by Monday, I would have tossed it in a shopping bag and taken it home.
We know the phone call went out to all PPS parents/guardians, but PPS staff without kids enrolled in PPS, may or may not have been included in that auto-dial message list. If they did receive it, it was a recording and they probably would have assumed Kyron would be found at another child’s house or due to some other mixup. Ms. Matthews went home with no way to know Kyron wasn’t seen again that day because he wasn’t in her class and apparently no one else was thinking about him except children – and if an adult did say that to her during the day, then heaven help that person because they both should have reported him missing to a higher authority immediately.
So – assuming the Skyline staff did not get the autodial message PPS sent to parents, or even if they did, whoever was still present in the Skyline building (not just the secretary) should have started through the staff directory calling staff members immediately, beginning with those who were expected to have direct contact with him that day (Porter, math teacher, librarian, lunch duty staff, etc.) to ask if they knew where he might be, followed by every other teacher and staff member there that day, as well as Skyline parents starting with those of his classmates. It’s ethical, it’s common sense, and at this point I would expect that to have started before LE even arrived. (Many schools still have a staff phone tree to be activated off campus in emergencies.) You always hope you don’t have to go too far through a list before the child is found.
No one was thinking a crime had occurred yet, so there was no reason to delay trying to reach people. (I’m not guessing here – I’ve been part of responses when high school special ed students didn’t report back after riding the bus from a job as expected – any missing child is like the biblical lost sheep.)
The next question is: Once LE arrived and started asking questions, did they take over contacting people? I would guess they did not have the staff to start doing that right away. So that night and Saturday – who is compiling information coming in, and who is still calling anyone related to the school?
By now, PPS is aware something is very wrong, but like everyone else, not sure of exactly what. I would guess Ms. Matthews remembered her contact with Kyron and was prepared to tell whoever was asking, but until she and investigators creating a timeline realized that she and those witnesses around her were the last to see Kyron, she would not have put 2 and 2 together to get “SZ”.
IMO, PPS could sense a lot of liability no matter what the reason for Kyron’s disappearance – the school is responsible for returning a child to the parent, period.
We have Ms. Matthews who is not yet fully aware of her role, we have Keefer who knows darn well he wasn’t managing Skyline as a safe, secure, school, we have Porter who, IMO, had either overlooked marking Kyron absent (she had 3 days to correct it) or had marked him excused without having the proper documentation, we have Keefer’s supervisor who should have been aware of his loose management style, we have staff who could have done a better job organizing with or without Keefer’s guidance. Somebody had to “activate” an attorney jumping on board for the district and manage the PR person’s reports. My guess is they did that even without knowing about SZ because there were enough other liability worries.
IMO also, I don’t think the staff (except Keefer probably) was that quick to think they needed an attorney for themselves. It’s possible a Union rep might have advised that in certain cases as a precaution, but the Union’s focus is workplace issues between teachers and administration, and liability issues relating to working with students. Contrary to some public opinion, I never found the Union to be dead set on criminal defense, just a fair and thorough investigation and adhering to the terms of the contract.
So thinking about all I’ve said, my best guess for now is that PPS (Supt and Board) learned about SZ in the process of the investigation, most likely from LE in updates – which may have been the 3rd day or later. IMO, PPS would be very unlikely to share that information for obvious reasons – but I certainly wish SOMEONE had.
Other thoughts – once Ms Matthews realized there was an SZ, she knew LE already knew as well and would have expected them to inform the district. There wasn’t much reason for her to tell anyone else, particularly if LE told her not to. My guess is that she told her trusted family, very close friends, maybe another teacher or 2, her Union rep, the Grand Jury, maybe a counselor or spiritual advisor, but probably not PPS in any formal way. Who knows what LE said to her or the other witnesses, or even PPS?
@Blink – have you ever felt there was any physical danger from SZ to any of these witnesses? It seems that if there had been at the beginning, there would be less and less risk as time goes on and no one is identified or described as that suspect. In other words, could fear be a reason to keep quiet about SZ?
I always fear the unknown as a general rule. When dealing with what I believe is a child predator brazen enough to kidnap a seven year old from his school in front of witnesses my worry *in every way* escalates. One of the reasons this type of predator goes undetected, even after an incident of this magnitude is really due to an egregious LACK of profile info.
ie: Did Kyron know him? Was Kyron groomed? Was he the target or random and why? I can tell you that the standard protocol for any investigation (FBI trained) is 2 prong when there is no real evidentiary value at a crime scene. Answering-Why Kyron, on this day and this location will develop a victimology profile and baseline investigatory path- but how do you get there without acknowledging the existence of the offender in the first place?
To your question specifically- I am not concerned for the safety of witnesses any longer. I have interviewed a few of them, am aware of the content of some others interviews, and 5 1/2 years later nobodys stories have changed wrt to him. What the hater crater apparently refuses to understand is that these accounts are part of the court and case record, period.
What I am afraid of is this offender re-offending, if he hasn’t already. God forbid if that happens I will tap every resource I have to put a National spotlight on the failures of MCSO and the Multnomah County DA et al to preform their required duties of public safety.
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did, held them thinking I might see that request. Christies shine off his penny for me following the Ft. Lee mess.
B
http://crimewatchdaily.com/2015/11/25/the-search-for-missing-oregon-boy-kyron-horman/
I see there’s a second box with the second half.
@MBS, Thank you for post. I am so surprised that a school district would not be involved immediately. It seems counter intuitive to me that people aren’t naturally drawn to see what happened (ie. compare stories) when a 7 year old go missing from their workplace. I would think everyone hearing the news would think about whether or not they saw Kyron that day and someone like EM would have thought “uh-oh”, Porter would as well I would think. PPS had to dispatch their spokesperson, so who would be advising their PR department? They wouldn’t just take info from LE without running it by their legal team, would they?
It just seems to me even the greatest mastermind would have not been able to for see what was going happen inside the school that day with the SF and the crowd Even pre planned months ahead Yet it did happen
So why
Thanks MBS for all you say It makes things easier to picture what was going on it was Friday With everyone looking toward the weekend and their plans I don’t know at school but all the jobs I have had people try to leave early on a Friday
The time before he was found missing when he didn’t get off the bus Was a big advantage to SZ but was that really pre planned So many questions About that day June 4 2010
Pre planned or just a lucky break for SZ
I remember reading someone said the whole thing was planned in Jan I can’t remember who said that but it keeps coming back to me Is that even possible
This was, asDesiree says, very planned.
As others allude, it would be impossible to pre-plan
a kyron focus as target to securely satisfy violent/carnal
appetite which imo as his overriding value.
As I understand it, this “satisfaction” event
was highly goal-directed, involving on-site and perhaps
online preplanning.
I understand the perp to be employed, socially adjusted (like dentist
J w Wolf), and passing as event-integrated.
I think he planned his entrance, route & exit, and chose the oldest boy near the exit door.
One wonder is what did the demographic of the room teacher play?
(elderly etc)
Imo SZ not only researched the phys plant in person/on line
(doors, classrooms/ages), but also the teacher target,
perhaps more than the child (age.) possibilities.
imo this extremely interesting case
likely has nothing to do with kyron’s parents whose
dramas have been cover unintentionally for SZ. .
For all we know, some teachers may have been unavailable for questioning that Friday evening. Such as, on a plane to somewhere for the weekend, or somewhere up in the mountains were there is no cell service. Maybe that’s why SZ was not known until day 3, just a thought. Something I never understood is why Kyron’s disappearance was not reported to the media until something like IIRC, 7:00 p.m. or later.
The discussion over at Crime watch comments leaves me wondering What is going on who is Goeff
In fact who are these people period
Please go read if you can Before it is removed
Reporter: Tell me one last time, the reason why you can’t talk more about Terri’s schedule on that day?
Both DY & KH: Because (a lot of it) it’s part of the investigation.
Reporter: And the investigators are asking you not to…?
DY: Correct.
Reporter: But, they obviously have a much more concrete… I mean they obviously have it down to…..
DY: I’m sure they do. Gosh I would hope so.
KH: I hope that they do. I’m very confident they do.
Reporter: I mean they don’t show this timeline on a spread sheet or something?
DY: They don’t. They keep everything tight, tight-in, and there’s a reason for that.
http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/audio/interview.mp3
So, here’s a question…..if LE doesn’t and didn’t give DY TMH’s timeline, as she said they didn’t here……how does she seem to know what it was? (P.S. why was this just an audio, when the O is all about print?)
She does not. To my knowledge there are at least 3 LE recorded “timeline re-dos”. As I recall the timing of that interview I do not believe DY was privy to at least 2 stops TH made (I presume Kaine was but do not know for sure). I assume there are at least 2 (recorded) videos made by an investigator from Houzes office. All will show TH had no “unaccounted for” time.
B
No idea but she sounds like a kook.
B
erose says:
November 28, 2015 at 3:12 pm
@MBS, Thank you for post. I am so surprised that a school district would not be involved immediately. It seems counter intuitive to me that people aren’t naturally drawn to see what happened (ie. compare stories) when a 7 year old go missing from their workplace. I would think everyone hearing the news would think about whether or not they saw Kyron that day and someone like EM would have thought “uh-oh”, Porter would as well I would think. PPS had to dispatch their spokesperson, so who would be advising their PR department? They wouldn’t just take info from LE without running it by their legal team, would they?
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@erose – I hope somebody in the PR business will correct me if I’m wrong, but here’s what I think –
If a subject/issue is serious enough to have an attorney approve every word of each communication, the attorney will start issuing the statements directly or be present at announcements. In most situations, a PR person, a superintendent or designated representative, each Board member, assistant superintendents, and principals are expected to know enough about liability through experience and training to be very careful what they say, or say nothing. ALL others are encouraged not to make public statements which might be construed as “official”. In my experience, reporters were asked to remain off campus unless they had an appointment with the principal and were told they could not interview anyone on site.
However, we were always told we had the right to participate in an interview off campus or write a letter to the editor of a newspaper, for example, as long as we made it clear we were expressing our own thoughts and not representing anyone else. You could not be fired for doing that as long as you were careful and clear and maintained appropriate confidentiality regarding minors.
PR people are usually pretty good at sidestepping questions or stopping when they’ve said enough. PPS ones I knew came into the building with information already prepared – never getting information straight from the source. Sometimes their version was a surprise and we never knew where that particular information came from. Generally, unlike in news reports, the PR person did not quote or restate information from LE or the Fire Department, etc. They gave information from the point of view of the district (not the school) and attempted to put the district (first) in the best possible light even while it appeared they were talking for the school – it’s what one would expect, IMO.
Is this what you meant, Malty?
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1099074043450720&id=831373266887467&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F&_rdr
What hath Desiree’s recent nationally televised accusation wrought?
Terri’s attorney is the one in need of screen shots.
It seems CWD wants tips too. Tips are getting pretty diffuse.
Next thing you kniw, the 2 mayoral candidates will vie for tips.
Like Sam Adams did. I’d like to see that Jody Stahancyk run
against Ellen for State AG rather than Amanda Fritz’ job.
I bit the bullet & watched CWD Part 2.
Imo not a drama but a comedy.
pristine unmuddied Clothes on all,
the Tented home base. what a waste of money for these
stage props.
a bit of camera play in a vast forested park
purporting to be a search. CWD even
interviews a lady in a KlaasKids Searcher red pullover.
Startling how directly on nat’l TV Desiree repeatedly accuses
Terri with zero evidence.
Lol, that makes it official for me.
B
Malty says:
November 28, 2015 at 10:29 pm
The discussion over at Crime watch comments leaves me wondering What is going on who is Goeff
In fact who are these people period
Please go read if you can Before it is removed
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Malty do you have a link? I went to CWD and don’t see anything. Maybe one has to sign up? Was it Goeff, or Geoff? What was said? IIRC, Kaine had friend named Geoff.
FWIW
25) Name 5 people you think will most likely answer this?
Stephanie, Julie, Geoff, Tina, Kammi..there are a few more. I’m always interested in what people have to say.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/terri-moulton-horman/terriology/122983056048
@MBS, Thanks again. What you wrote here is what I was thinking if I understand correctly. PPS was prepared and thru their own sources, not exclusively thru LE.
MockingbirdSings says:
November 29, 2015 at 1:02 am
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PR people are usually pretty good at sidestepping questions or stopping when they’ve said enough. PPS ones I knew came into the building with information already prepared – never getting information straight from the source. Sometimes their version was a surprise and we never knew where that particular information came from.
@Blink – another very sad reminder/annual update with nothing new to report. As in Kyron’s case, there were mistakes at the beginning of the investigation. As in Kyron’s case, we have an apparent disappearance of the killer into thin air. As in Kyron’s case, the motive is not actually known. As in Kyron’s case, whether hit man or someone else, that person has remained free to commit other crimes (unless jailed on some other charge or deceased – no reason to believe it was a one-time occurrence). However, unlike Kyron’s case, the family seems to have remained steadfast and cooperative, and to have refrained from creating distractions with “scenes, accusations, and followers”.
I know (98% at least) these crimes are not related, but they will forever be linked in my thoughts. As long as the mystery that surrounds each of these crimes is so huge, I cannot say for sure there is no intersection. But maybe the real intersection is simply that Mrs. Bergeson and Kyron have met in heaven – I don’t usually talk this way, but I guess I’m desperate to find something to be thankful for in these 2 depressing ongoing anniversaries.
FYI – the latest article –
Killing of Portland federal defense attorney remains unsolved six years later
Posted: Nov 24, 2015 11:26 AM PST By FOX 12 Staff
PORTLAND, OR (KPTV) –
The killing of a federal defense attorney remains unsolved six years after Nancy Bergeson was found dead in her southwest Portland home.
Police responded to the 4100 block of Southwest Hamilton Street at 3 p.m. Nov. 24, 2009. Bergeson’s body was discovered and her death was initially believed to be due to natural causes. However, an autopsy on the 57-year-old woman determined that her death was from homicidal violence.
Investigators said they found signs Bergeson fought back against her attacker.
There is no suspect information and a motive has never been established for her death.
On Tuesday, six years after her death, police again highlighted a reward in this case. Crime Stoppers is offering a cash reward up to $2,500 for information that leads to an arrest.
Tips can be submitted anonymously at 503-823-HELP or online at crimestoppersoforegon.com.
http://www.kptv.com/story/30597140/killing-of-portland-federal-defense-attorney-remains-unsolved-six-years-later
From CD post go to the CWD page Pull down the 11 comments
I have checked out the person from Astoria else where and find she has posted her ideas else where on May 29 2015 Plus other posts. That seem to be from imagination. Or dreams or from God messages
Sorry you can’t find it. The world soldiers have taken over the discussion now with their time line and Blink is posting
It is easy to find
It takes a few clicks to get the comments to load
The World Soldiers have a timeline of links taken from the media that they are using to keep their people informed now Both on their page and else where
It does make their case look a little better than the gut feelings They had before as proof
http://crimewatchdaily.com/2015/11/25/the-search-for-missing-oregon-boy-kyron-horman/
Keefer’s supervisor had caitioned him on Skyline’s lax door security at least once before because it
resulted in a Keefer Eagle’s Nest article reviewing The Door Rules. So Keefer & his
supervisor should have known there could have been a stranger issue at the outset
and informed LE of the possibility as soon as Portland police were called. Did the first
call from S Hall go to Portland Police Blink?
The link is above It is hard to get the comments to load
Which are becoming name calling and back to world soldier methods of discussion
The whole thing will probably be removed
B
After trying very hard, using Malty’s directions, I did see CWD Comments.
Blink, you tried, but I suggest a formal letter to Matera with
bulletted points documenting Young’s inaccuracies, as well as her fundraising. Personally, the link is
quite clear to any reasonable person General & Soldier raised $ online to a
privately controlled bank account without accountability ir transparency for the sole purpose of a
staged search that would permit thise accusations of aTerri on national TV. Imo that is actionable
and shoukd be investigate as charitable findraising gir a provate stalking purpose by the State AG.
And would be in most other States.
Malty, I don’t think CWD will remove as it is publicity & marketing to have controversy, and it seems to
rely on a social media marketing approach to add Facebook/Twitter users. In facr CWD would make a
great defamation coPlaintiff, so it’s in Terri’s civil attorney’s interest to keep the comments up and
the video memorualuzed on line. The more Soldier promotes the video, the better Terri’s civil damages case.
Desiree’s motivation, Blink.
Yes, it is puzzlng.
In a rational world it could only be more $,
maternal jealousy, involvement (yes, she was not),
or loose ego boundaries such that this Soldier circle has become
vital for her psychological survival. None of these shoes, except
maybe the latter, seems a
perfect fit. You know some believe in aliens or spaceships
contrary to evidence.
For now, I believe that DY is motivated by the fact that if she truly believes TH is involved- then Kyron is alive “to her”. Nobody will ever convince me she thinks a woman she entrusted her own son to since birth, in spite of all that goes with that- who entrusted her other son to his step mom in absence of her care, killed Kyron in cold blood and stashed him at his home. If one is to believe her statements- that is what she is saying. I think if a single journalist had the chops to ask her that specifically- her answer would be clear. I don’t think her methods are helping to locate Kyron – but I do understand them and my heart hurts for her.
When I see how pained she is, as well as her commentary- this is the only working conclusion there is. DY realizes the alternative is more than she can bear. So, in theory- her self preservation kicks in. Poor advisors, lack of therapeutic pathways are her enemy, not Terri Horman, imo.
B
just to point out, Dsiree’s latest national tv
dramafest, her gofundme new letter, & WS’
renewed $ plea, have only resulted in $110 total.
The only sure way for even MCSO/FBI investigatory employees to ascertain what did PPS know and when, to whom PPS communicated what they knew, and what PPS knowingly omitted (ie Keefer could truthfully testify to a GJ what he knew, but unless asked could have omitted details) was for Kaine to sue PPS for security lapses as to their own policies on a theory at a minimum of contributory negligance.
There was plenty of policy, and internal & external PPS communication, evidence to make a slam dunk case, not to mention a heartwrenching victim.
This was a guaranteed cash cow tort suit that would pay kiara’s way thru college & his attorney fees in full, and much more. Settlement after depositions to get at truths known to PPS could have been a few million. So why didn’t he? (The startling personal secrets one might speculate would be revealed would be inadmissible, irrelevant, imo).
I don’t believe such a suit jeopardized his divorce effectuation & distribution.
But, facts found (in PPS employees’ depos) more likely than not jeopardized his sole custody thru positing Terri as perp. So imo Kaine’s need to have sole custody with no visitation overrode holding PPS accountable wrt security for all children and specifically as a contributory factor for Kyron’s suffering & likely demise, as well as a large cash settlement for one characterized by his then wife as an opportunistic miser. It would be a scarey posture imo if his need to solely control kiara while barring mother overrode factfinding from pps and holding accountable. His alibi and verified whereabouts during the abduction must be goldplated. With suit proceeds, imo he coukd’ve hired real, trained one on one at home child care rather than import a woman with baggage from CA who did not demand a salary.
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speaks for itself:
https://www.change.org/p/hon-karsten-rasmussen-presiding-judge-we-are-asking-that-the-judge-deny-terri-moulton-horman-s-request-for-a-name-change/c/117220201
Nanny’s mother signed the petition to deny TH’s name change, proud that she knows “Kyron’s father & daughter.” I think in any custody/visitation litigation, the parenting paramour mother’s (who alleges she has access to kiara) online anti-Terri activities
are relevant.
KM apparently can’t go home to mother if
needed because in 2011 EL was seeking a 1bdrm, upper, with a low price. http://www.merchantcircle.com/sunset-apartments-rocklin-ca
father may be found in Georgia on myspace in photos, self-pictured as a happygolucky-type biker perhaps bartender with tats.
what a pair to replace the Larry Moultons with.
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opinion: kiara will enter her teen years all too soon. If she has her mom’s genes, she will be more rebellious than many. Kristen’s 2 teen daughter’s held her in great disdain in social media. All Terri has to do is outwait the teen years to reunite (otherwise, she would be the rebelled-against mama). I am sure if she has no contact, kiara will not be better off, given her household role models, but mother-daughter adult relations may be.
Was finally able to view the CW program (had some blocking going on). Nothing new, other than Deisree claims several people told her they saw him leave with Terri Horman.
She also says Kyron went missing sometime between 8:45 and 8:55.
If her reference to people seeing Kyron leave with Terri was the *backpack incident*, which occurred just as TMH, K & k arrived, then how could that be between 8:45 and 8:55?
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Also funny how DY saying that, and then in the comments SG running WS, says no one saw Kyron after 8:45. Well, I guess she needs to talk to DY about that. LOL
This case…..sometimes, IDK? Sigh.
IKR- even the same “camp” does not agree nor do they fact check each other. I keep going back to the same thing- why say it, why attempt to get others to believe something that is untrue- and frankly- disputed by sworn officers of the court and deposed witnesses?
Congratulations to me for my self-award as broken record Editor of BOC. If this were my child I would be camped out at Underhill’s office after requesting meetings I know he will deny her at this point- and spend my days up and down the hallway until someone took me seriously.
B
to camp out in Underhill’s corridor (or even more usefully in public view outside courttooms he is exiting), she would have to drive 4.5 hours one way to Portland, which she recently said on nat’l TV was “challenging.” We know she drove to school for kyron only once in 3 years. why would a zebra change its stripes, for kyron, when there are no cameras present and no donated dough for the gas, motel, etc? .
Point taken, but it is where the road to answers lies.
B
Enjoying reading you on CWD Blink.
wrt “….it has been my experience that until BOTH Ms. Young and Mr. Horman request official escalation to address the lack of progress in Kyrons case on the part of MCSO and DA Underhill’s office *as they are entitled to as crime victims* nothing will change.”
http://crimewatchdaily.com/2015/11/25/the-search-for-missing-oregon-boy-kyron-horman/
my own opinion is with mother it is a combination of many factors such as physical distance, psychological capacity, and comfort thru immersion in a dysfunctional subculture.
what is YOUR opinion wrt to father having not done so? He is in town, financially comfortable, backed by Foundation money, has complete custody & his assets intact, & has another child in PPS & thus a stake. etc.
I am wondering if he has been so overwhelmed by the dependency of Namy & her 2 lifethreateningly chronically ill girls & their mdical interventions, and kiara’s early eled & behavioral management, that he has little left for kyron advocacy with mcso/da. Surely if he feared any charges himself associated with steroids, that statute of limitations too has passed?
I don’t know about the statute of limitations issue because I am not comfortable I know for sure how large his role is from a statutory perspective- AND does it change from State- Fed jurisdiction? Although perhaps motivated differently from a psych/coping perspective- I believe Kaine is in the same place Desiree is in terms of wanting to know an outcome that excludes TH involvement.
B
Just read all of Soldier Green’s CWD comments.
It boils down to (links & language), she is making a hypothetical civil tort case by Terri or DeDe against mcso for not callng a news conference (early on PCs were prolific, so Gates knows how to) and on TV correcting their earlier incorrect and misleading statements about Terri & DeDe and so on. By mcso letting their prior earlier erroneous press confs stand, they in my opinion can be held co-liable by a civil jury for wverything these 2 women have suffered while stalked by DY & her Soldier & others. If mcso had ever corrected the record, Soldier who says “I believe LE” would have to do so & shut up.
wrt “Although perhaps motivated differently from a psych/coping perspective- I believe Kaine is in the same place Desiree is in terms of wanting to know an outcome that excludes TH involvement.
B” http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/12/31/kyron-horman-missing-new-years-eve-settlement-ends-horman-marriage/#comments
makes total sense. Only someone experienced & trained with these type cases like you would intuit that benign explanation–which on its face to me is irrational behavior. but separate from his pecuniary & custody interests merely and linely rightly says the abductor alternative to TH (and his 5 yr crusade against her) is unbearable for him to face. Psychologically, I’d hoped the passing of a very authoritarian (per topher) stepfather,
who he was trained to see as a loving leader, might free him on some level,
Thank you Rose- as it relates to sweet Kyrons status- I do believe a compartmentalization including TH culpability is like a welcome blindfold to Kyrons parents and I do not blame them for that. That said, you and all readers are aware of what I believe is the fate that befell this beloved child. In fairness, there are days where I pray I don’t know case outcomes because as I have experienced in my work- the “knowing” everyone talks about being better than the unknown- can be worse.
B
so mcso’s mismatch of their resources/training/experience wrt the investigation & that org’s current public omissions & public case corrections about SZ are bottom line harming both bios first & foremost, setting them up to be subject to & tossed about by charletans, opportunists, and hangers on.
have read all yr comments now B.
So it seems bios are double victims–SZ,!AND institutions of Mult Cty:
mcso/da and pps.
I really truly believe (imo) Kaine was much better off healing in Terri’s hands than a 40 yo dependent transient
from an unstabke family system with 2 very ill daughters herself. The worst thing mcso did, from which there was no going back, was alienating Kaine from Terri’s support, however otherwise dippy she was.
re: Stalking in Oregon
This article is about a case where our judicial system is allowing threatening behaviors against innocent people in Oregon to continue… and why people like WS lunatic get to walk around and threaten others even when confronted in the system with their threatening actions. Broken system. I guess it’s going to take actual physical attacks to get the courts to realize these insane people need to be forced into mental health treatment, and then jail. (IMO)
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2015/11
/man_who_wore_rat_costume_in_fr.html
TKG- I dont think the circumstances are even close to the same, especially when one adds an open call across state lines for information to be used to stalk and harass someone. That dimension makes it a Federal law issue, and depending upon where Ms. Horman is a resident- the potential of statute that information falls under a protective order.
B
O/T the other night I watched the movie The Butterfly effect (name?)
The babysitter neighbor man gets a new camera and has the children in the basement sitting on a bench
He tells them to take off their clothes
The expressions on those children faces Caused me to shake and feel like throwing up.
A very hard to understand movie I don’t pretend to understand the after effects of all this but I can tell you I felt totally sick all the way thro it and I sure it was fiction
The point is I can understand how a parent could never be able to see this or think about some thing related to a situation similar
It was just to awful. In every way
But still I feel what has happened with Terri is also sick if she had nothing to do with this at all It seems this case could be solved with out the hate and violent threats I felt glad a few people spoke up to the Soldier
About her site Which now has 33,200 some likes LOL. Can you believe that.
I think our Blink did very well to remain logical and cool in the discussion.
I have noticed reasonable people are “way over” reasonable facts and opinions being met with rude, illogical and threatening responses.
I also think due to the issue with rampant terrorism and vigilante issues that you will start to notice people being much less tolerant of that behavior.
B