Kyron Horman Missing: New Years Eve Settlement Ends Horman Marriage
Portland, OR- In a surprise court hearing, Judge Henry Kantor signed off on the agreement between Kaine Horman and Terri Moulton Horman to end their marriage this afternoon.
Details of the agreement have not been released publicly, but according to KGW, a financial settlement to include child support and a lump payment to Terri Horman has been reached.
In what can only be described as a bitter family court feud- the divorce matter was last in court on December 16th to decide if the Horman landscaper, Rodolfo Sanchez Estrada -who alleges Terri Horman tried to hire him to murder Kaine Horman at a lunch meeting – would testify.
Judge Kantor has not yet filed an order from that hearing but Attorneys for Terri Horman were granted a continuance from the pending temporary custody motion scheduled for December 19th and 20th.
BOC Associate Editor Tarin Kenley contributed to this report.
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reposted from Feb 2014 – since we are on the subject again – I have put my old comments in brackets this time: @Rose – can you wade through all this, maybe with some hot cider?
I am sorry this is long, but it just doesn’t make sense to consider the GJ questions in separate posts.
I have posted about the GJ a number of times – most recent was October, 2013, I believe. I still have unanswered questions which I will post again (snipped) and see if anyone knows the answers. Since this has recently been mentioned again as though “Not a True Bill” was a definite resolution of GJ #1, I’m thinking it over again.
SECRET INDICTMENT POSSIBILITY:
132.410 Finding of indictment; filing; inspection. An indictment, when found and indorsed, as provided in ORS 132.400 and 132.580, shall be filed with the clerk of the court, in whose office it shall remain as a public record. Upon being designated by the district attorney as confidential and until after the arrest of a defendant who has not been held to answer the charge, the indictment or any order or process in relation thereto shall not be inspected by any person other than the judge, the clerk of the court, the district attorney or a peace officer in the discharge of a duty concerning the indictment, order or process. [Amended by 1973 c.836 §52; 1999 c.967 §2]
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[So it IS possible to have a true bill which can be designated confidential by the DA, AND, if so, until the person is arrested no one can see the bill except the judge, clerk, DA, or peace officer directly relating to the indictment order or process.
QUESTION: Does anyone still think there could be a secret indictment of anyone in this case?] No. It is only secret pending arrest, a warrant for which must accompany the indictment. If TH had a pending warrant or indictment Neither Staton nor Underhill/Rees could have provided affidavits in good faith (lying) in their motions/responses to Kantor during the disollution case.
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“NOT A TRUE BILL” POSSIBILITY:
Rose says:
February 1, 2014 at 7:56 pm
@TRuth. I can think of another reason.
Wouldn’t want the RO Judge to hear Kaine
testified to GJ but the GJ returned No True Bill.
Kinda impeaches Kaine’s worth as a witness.
@Rose –
132.430 Finding against indictment; indorsement “not a true bill.” (1) When a person has been held to answer a criminal charge and the indictment in relation thereto is not found “a true bill,” it must be indorsed “not a true bill,” which indorsement must be signed by the foreman and filed with the clerk of the court, in whose office it shall remain a public record. In the case of an indictment not found “a true bill” against a person not so held, the same, together with the minutes of the evidence in relation thereto, must be destroyed by the grand jury.
(2) When an indictment indorsed “not a true bill” has been filed with the clerk of the court, the effect thereof is to dismiss the charge; and the same cannot be again submitted to or inquired of by the grand jury unless the court so orders. [Amended by 1973 c.836 §54]
[QUESTIONS: It has been mentioned that there was likely a finding of “not a true bill” and the original jury was dismissed, then a new one formed later. If so, this would take a court order. The way I read this, however, is that all the work of the original jury that finds “not a true bill” is supposed to be destroyed and that some significant new finding must occur to convince a judge to allow a new jury to be called for the same charge against that person.
The results (essentially “charge dismissed”) must also be FILED with the clerk of the court and become a PUBLIC RECORD. Does anyone know for certain this has occurred? Has anyone looked for the public record of it? Who would have the power and motive to hide the fact that proposed charges were dismissed? Why?] This is why I believe the second GJ was suspended or dismissed without being asked to render an indictment. According to Rees, in July 2013 an empanelled jury was extended by court order for 6 months to wit: A grand jury bas long been, empanelled to receive evidence in this matter, and was recently extended by the court for another six month term to continue receiving testimony and examining the evidence presented.
[@Rose – I realize that you are giving an opinion in what I quoted above, but I have heard it mentioned by others as though fact. I am reluctant to say the results were “not a true bill” without having proof that’s what happened. What do you think?]
Not Rose- but here is why I believe GJ #1 returned a no true bill- it is in Staton and Underills language- which as a CLI I can tell you is statutory. To wit: (from Rees declaration, which interestingly was filed on or near DDS appearance before the grand jury- look who Rees says is responsible for …To that end, a grand jury has been empanelled, and at the request of the Multnmah County District Attorney’s Office has been extended beyond its original term on several occasions. The grand jury was recently extended by order of the court for another term of six months. From Staton, Nov 2012 “There are a couple of investigative pieces that are going to open up,” Staton told The Oregonian Tuesday. “Our belief is they’re going to open up several investigative doors.”
He said the new “investigative avenues” are based on information collected in the early phase of the investigation that are now yielding some results.
The only way to empanel a jury to hear evidence in the same matter when a no true bill has been rendered is if it is new or creates new investigative leads- we know it is not email or cell info and is a derivative of something gleaned early but was just now panning out. Interestingly- no press has ever sought to FOIA those sealed files of a now disposed matter.
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ANOTHER REASON TO DISMISS A JURY:
(1) A Grand Jury that is suspended can be recalled by the judge. A Grand Jury that is dismissed is done forever, and it would take a court order to call a new GJ for the same charge.
(2) 132.360 Number of jurors required to concur. A grand jury may indict or present facts to the court for instruction as provided in ORS 132.370, with the concurrence of five of its members, if at least five jurors voting for indictment or presentment heard all the testimony relating to the person indicted or facts presented. [Amended by 1973 c.836 §49]
[QUESTIONS: After all this time, even if the first GJ was suspended multiple times or dismissed for a technical reason, how could they have at least 5 jurors who have heard all the testimony relating to the person indicted or facts presented as is required? If the charges were dismissed, the first GJ’s work is supposed to be destroyed. If a new GJ is convened, it is supposed to be based on some significant new finding leading to a court order.
Is it possible the first GJ was only given either the MFH or the disappearance of Kyron to consider, and the current GJ now has the other charge to consider? If that were the case, wouldn’t the limited immunity given to a witness only apply to that particular charge or set of charges? If all possible charges were submitted to the first GJ, what would be left now - either something new or some significant new evidence?]
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GJ CONTINUATION:
Quote from Multnomah Co jury duty service page: “If you are selected for a grand jury (a small number of individuals may be selected for these), your service will be for one month.”
132.120 Jury service term; continuation. When the jury service term is completed the grand jury must be discharged by the court; but the judge may, by an order made either in open court or at chambers anywhere in the judicial district and entered of record, stating the reasons, continue the grand jury in session for such period of time as the judge deems advisable. [Amended by 1959 c.638 §13; 1973 c.836 §42; 1985 c.540 §30; 1985 c.703 §26]
[In the paragraph above it seems like a judge can continue the grand jury in session as long as he thinks necessary by an order in open court or chambers – now this part: “and entered of record, stating the reasons,” sounds to me like he must order and state this officially somewhere, including why he’s doing it.
QUESTION: Can this be kept confidential or is there somewhere a record accessible to the public of this decision and the judge’s reasons why? This does not fit with the mention of a new GJ currently. (FOIA, maybe?)
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If it is suspended no records can live in the public domain, period. I don’t believe the mfh was introduced to the second grand jury- as we now know the allegation itself did not rise to the probable cause for a criminal charge and honestly, the States theory re Kyron’s disappearance is inexorably linked to that accusation so I am certain the first grand jury heard evidence in both matters. Wat I am shocked by, is that Rees declared MCSO was behind numerous suspensions of the empaneled gj- thats a finger point, imo.
I keep wanting to make a flow chart . . .
True Bill – can be confidential until person is arrested – no reason for a second GJ unless the charges were different and not addressed by the first GJ. “So it IS possible to have a true bill which can be designated confidential by the DA, AND, if so, until the person is arrested no one can see the bill except the judge, clerk, DA, or peace officer directly relating to the indictment order or process.” Would this list of who could see the True Bill include the Oregon DA?
THIS makes it appear that if you don’t see a “Not True Bill”, you should assume it’s True – but there are exceptions – could the first jury have been dismissed by a judge because they simply couldn’t reach a finding?
No True Bill – should be in a public record somewhere – EVEN IF a judge ordered a new GJ for any reason, the first No True Bill is still supposed to be filed by the county clerk and a matter of public record.
Me in bold
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I hope Kaine is keeping track of whats going on over at the DY/SG World Soldier Facebook HC.
looks like they are getting ready to pay Kaine a visit thanks to SG.
-snip
“Karen Yax I can only think of one reason he would refuse a cadaver dog search. He knows something would be found.
I’m certainly not advocating anyone break the law. But gee Kaine can’t be home always and at all times.
-snip
“Patti White You probably think I want to find his house,would that be against the law if I did.is it a big yard . I’m just wondering.”
-snip
“Kyron Horman’s World Soldiers Now it wouldn’t be, but that is not something I will give out”
-snip
“Denise Marie AGREED I’m gonna stop there…Shared”
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=912897378800184&id=161645780592018
What SG IS doing is telling everyone Kaines property has never been searched because he would not allow
anyone to search is property.
SG won’t give out Kaines address but that is easy to get andone poster does asks for it. It could also be that she gives out his address in a private message.
Sheesh.
First of all- there is a small part of me that hopes one of those ninnies does trespass on Kaine’s property and gets arrested so the hater crater comes to an abrupt halt. No solicited funds or guest appearance remunerations will be forthcoming for representation I can assure you.
Second- my concern for a persons safety outweighs #1, as well as what I have no doubt would frighten a little girl who’s brother was abducted. Wth do people really think about their comments/actions? Kaine has a pretty robust security system and btw THE HOUSE AND GROUNDS WERE SEARCHED WITH CANINES TRAINED TO DETECT A HUMAN DECOMPOSITIONAL EVENT as soon as the FBI arrived on scene- about 2-3AM June 5. (first time) And additionally according to Kaine LE searched his property 11 times with an open invitation to them whenever they need or want so why spread lies? I am no fan of Kaines but this is about the fact that he came forward (finally) on SZ. I doubt he will ever admit it- but I truly do not believe at this point he thinks TH had anything to do with Kyron’s abduction.
Lastly- someone should mention Horman has a gravel driveway- no place to draw.
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my bet is on a new piece
Then if search K9s @Kaine’s were trained to detect human decomp,
Kelly is untruthful on WS when she said mcso K9s on the
property were not cadaver trained. Anyway, Kaine can just stroll out back for
more target practice.
Untruthful or uninformed? For me- if one runs out of fingers to plug the dyke of one’s theory- it’s prolly time to let it drain. Kyron did not leave the school with TH that day, period, and even if LE or whoever thinks TH had a hand in how he was abducted- the bottom line is LE has a DUTY to inform they have excluded the possibility he left with her because THEY HAVE. Why don’t they want this known? Has anyone considered sharing that intel could produce tips and leads??
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Who were the DA’s?
Kitz said Moawad was fulltime in June 2010- Summer 11.
That’s suggests to me she handled the first grand jury. Did Rees think
a white young mother ADA would appeal to a group considering an
indictment against another newish mother, or to the schoolteachers
Porter, Mathews, Keefer better than an older white male?
last pg of Jan 29 2013 affidavit
Moawad, Rees, Underhill
requesting & receiving further abatement of divorce/RO case –
….parental alienation prolonged
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DUdhrF9WBnk/UTxA0VHRxyI/AAAAAAAADZA/3klD9B-yoJE/s1600/img+Ky014.jpg
apparently the DA office also did a Nov 2012 affidavit supporting abatement, but it’s not on v woolf’s site & I am lazy
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p34 hard copy, last sentence. DA maintains 3 grand juries at all times & grand jurors serve for one month.
https://multco.us/file/11131/download
final report
p10
3DA staff FTE on grand juries
http://courts.oregon.gov/Multnomah/docs/AboutUs/NewMultnomahCountyCourthouseNCSCFinalReport.pdf
Terri’s mfh & kyron’s abduction fit within GJ 1
I think it is just time to fact the fact the soldier is a vigilante And uses that site to incite lawless behavior in a clever
Way by encouraging others to express violence against people
I don’t think there is any clever behavior involved when folks of diminished capacity and lifestyle target others to carry out misdeeds similarly. It is the framework of terrorist recruitment.
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Kaine just might get a gun If some one goes in there
I was reading that Last night Is any one dumb enough to think they can go in and dig up yard without
Getting arrested or shot.
And the Soldier knows that
Lastly- someone should mention Horman has a gravel driveway- no place to draw.
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LMAO!
And Kelly adds her 2cents ending with hmmm
whole thing is irritating to read
LOL should call her site Vigilante Justice
Blink I am really glad this place is not part of FB When I read all that money and letter to Mark Z ‘s new baby
Donated to make this a better world for his child to grow up in
All I could think is how he could clean up the hate sites on his FB
really good point Malty.
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speculation.
it has been one hypo that SZ was a subcontractor
who had been in Skyline on other occasions. One
skill set we know of was electricians evaluating Skyline for solar (ruled
out due to incapacity or configuation of electric panel & wiring such that switch to windmill with weak output.
just noticed, Beaverton Barker’s daughter 2 was at least at the time he first ran was
an electrician & the electrician’s union was one of his lead endorses. Potential
conflict of investigatory interest for daughter 1 imo.
@Malty. One of Nanny’s daughter 2′s tweets
lamented Kaine got a new gun for Xmas so that
meant he’d expect her to do more target practice
with him.
@mbs. more like watered down oj here.
you & Blink go way above my head but I appreciate your bringing forward your previous statutory teaching lesson
for review. Whay interests me are the judicial social systems & their participants as it relates to the grand juries. Why after her spectacular public big fail on a recent murder trial was Heidi given kyron? Did B O’Donnell, 5 yr vet of the CAU (what she had been moved to) ask for her? What other ADAs at her level were tasked?
Why did she leave in summer 2013 for a nonattorney political handout job by Kitz where her dad’s own legislation made work for her? Why did Meisenheimer, Shrunk, Frink retire? Kitz had a LOT of judicial power in Mult Cty as he appointed the judges – today I noticed at one time he appointed former presiding judge Jean Maurer (former ADA) and current Presiding Judge Nan Waller – and likely many of the others.
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I believe mcso gave DY all the SZ-related info Kaine was given.
It feels like they are creating a storyline (he left with
Terri, Kaine’s property was never properly searched) to license
a deal for a heartwrenching made for tv movie. Stepmother protagonist,
oppositional exhusband make for better drama.
@mbs. What do I think about the outcome of
GJ1, impanelled in 2010? I defer to Blink on the law and
process. pragmatically had an indictment been made, secret or sealed or plain vanilla, she would have
been arrested, and it would have affected the divirce — none of this DA affidavit to delay/abate
the divorce stuff. The DA was afraid of what would come out had the divorce gone to
litigation. Which was the emperor not only had no clothes, the RO “probable cause” was a lie.
And SZ’s existance would have come out. It was interesting the urls above on Courthouse space study
mentioned the County practice is to bring felony charges via GJ indictment rather than a criminal
complaint & hearing. Easier notches on a DA’s buckle in the long run imo.
Lemme get this straight. TH took Kyron from school, drove around with him for an hour and a half, left him in the truck while she worked out at the gym for 15 minutes only to take him home and dispose of him an hour before KH came home. Yeah, that makes sense. Why on earth would TH, if she had anything to do with this, dispose of Kyron where she lived. Pah-leeze.
As you astutely point out- that dog don’t hunt. Never did.
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Just write a post on the Ramsey GJ and what we learned from that 14 years later, but the link on the Daily Camera Boulder News titled, “Released indictment names John and Patsey Ramsey on two charges in JonBenets death.” Blink has often compared these cases. We now know that Ramsey’s have been exonerated.
The GJ did indict on charges other than murder, they were like she was unreasonably placed in a situation that posed a threat to injury or death. (Seriously, the Ramsey’s put her to bed!) The other charge was a rendering of assistance. (What made them think they knew?)
Anyway the DA did not sign the true bill so it took a FOIA lawsuit to get a judge to release the indictment. I am not saying I think the GJ indicted TH, what I am saying is here is an example of the press stepping up and filing a FOIA and getting a result for the public. John Ramsey wanted the judge to release the entire transcript, but the judge only released four pages.
This case is called unprecedented in the article. IMO, it is because of the great lengths the legal system in Boulder sans Hunter did not want to admit they had it wrong. Now the documents are considered academic, serving no purpose. I disagree.
Here you go erose: http://www.dailycamera.com/news/boulder/ci_24381455/jonbenet-ramsey-indictment-released-john-patsy
I completely agree.
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Sorry about that last post. I need to proof. I meant to say I wrote a post and the link wouldn’t post, so I tried to summarize. Apologies.
@Blink – a sincere and humble thank you for your comments to my GJ post. Sometimes it’s hard to keep track of the players and their actions (whether true or misleading), but I take some comfort in the fact that the law does not change – at least not without a lot of notice and discussion. Whether we agree with all our laws or not, they do provide a measuring tool to help determine whether someone is being treated fairly even (or especially) by those who have sworn to uphold the law.
It seems there is a lot more unfairness and injustice and selfishness going around these days than strains of the flu – and that can be just as deadly.
I appreciated your post revisiting a very important issue. I wish I had a clear answer. However, this slippery slope is going to stay that way for the foreseeable-ever.
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Ya know, just askin’…….has anyone here ever considered that DY might be covering someone? I mean, people everywhere wondered if TH was covering for someone, such as her older son, has anyone here looked into and considered that DY might do the same? Just asking.
This latest mass killing in CA really has me upset I took a nap and dreamed of it
Anyway Kaine says the place has been searched and invites LE to search again That should be enough
For now unless more evidence Shows up from LE and they request a search Kaine probably walks his property
And checks it out
I checked to see if that dog has been trained and see more money is needed still
I just hope Kaine has a security system set up To protect Kiara and anyone else living there
o/t: I run and hide from all things terrorism since my dissertation on Benghazi. I am not at all comfortable with my lack of expertise in the culture and my growing concerns as they relate to our Federal ability to hit the issue at root cause. Yes, choosing my words.
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@Erose
Funny A real mastermind plan LOL
Well that Soldier is back to making fun of DDS, praising a stalker who accosted DDS in a store acting at Soldier’s direction, and in her posting calling DDS 2 names. Stalking & Bullying by Soldiers on FB.
Well, malty, we’ve learned radical islamists have the MO of swearing allegiance on FB to the ISIS head just before suicide missions. FB removed Tashkeen’s today after the fact per the news. And it seems, an expert analyst says, ISIS leaders primarily use Twitter as the initial online ISIS recruitment pathway. Maybe Soldier should immigrate to the Caliphate.
The LE FBI and Tony young were all there and no body noticed any moved dirt or any thing suspect on the property
Right
@erose. you forgot the dry cleaning pickup (kaine’s shirts?).
Said tongue in cheek & always in tribute to you.
the bottom line question is why the Davidson gals perpetuate this stuff
to the detriment of truth & investigation consequences .
there are 2 options for Desiree:
$, or off her head with grief.
I go for door 2, but that does NOT explain
Kelly & other family members’ motivations.
@Rose- I believe the dry cleaning was a drop off, not a pick up. Not splitting hairs but I have seen that turn into.. Kiara was left in the truck by herself. For the record there are 2 additional verified stops I am aware of that I have reason to believe DY was never informed of.
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@mbs. Statutes in OR seem just fine.
In Mult County, tho, those statutes are/were interpreted
&/or enforced by a decades-long-term powerful DA
with few if any civic checks, certainly not the press,
as well as judges–Kitz-wing appointed–prior to their
eventual independent elections acter appointment.
Imo Portland is the poster child
for legislation from the Bench (interpreting Statutes based
on whatever).
all that driving (roaming randomly).
all those errand stops.
reminds me so much of my
hapless housewife past, I
cannot be objective, and I cannot but
empathize.
@TRuth.
T. Ruth says:
December 4, 2015 at 10:12 pm
Ya know, just askin’…….has anyone here ever considered that DY might be covering someone? I mean, people everywhere wondered if TH was covering for someone, such as her older son, has anyone here looked into and considered that DY might do the same? Just asking.”
Go girl.
Personally, I don’t think she’s that mentally organized or astute.
I have always wondeted if kyron could be blowback from Tony’s media puffed Javier conviction.
What is the motivation of the rest of the Davidson family who are imo acting
independently from Desiree while knowing her weaknesses.
Here, in response to a FOIA, the DA’s Office said
we have clean hands
with repect to a FOIA denial/judicial battle.
http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/illinois/2015/12/8584452/prosecutor-emanuels-city-hall-made-decision-delay-police-shooting-v
the remarkable thing about Portland is O and WW never filed a foia,
and WW terminated its only case inquiring reporter.
smacks of burial from the top of the then-relevant food chain.
(thinking kitzhaber.)
Hope some entity is scrubbing his emails for key
words horman, moawad, and ?
O/T every time I read that couple dropped off their 6month baby then went and killed the people who gave them the baby shower It is to much That and using FB And sitting around making bombs out of Christmas lights
These people are a nightmare
And they seem to be wanna bees so far Wait until the real ones come we have big problems
T. Ruth says:
December 4, 2015 at 10:12 pm
Ya know, just askin’…….has anyone here ever considered that DY might be covering someone? I mean, people everywhere wondered if TH was covering for someone, such as her older son, has anyone here looked into and considered that DY might do the same? Just asking.
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Considering that DY is more interested in defaming Terri then finding out what happened to her son. And That along with all of the lies she tells add in her willingness to continue to stalk a persecute someone who was obviously not involved in Kyrons disappearance (DDS).
This has made me wonder if she could possibly be deranged enough to have been involved in disappearing Kyron. I think there is motive in as much as she resents Kaine and Hates Terri. Could DY be someone who would be fixated on revenge at any cost.
The whole thing with the skinny jeans 2 inch eyelashes, and no tears crying has to make some wonder about her motives. Why is it so important for her to appear attractive in the press? I have seen a lot of film of grieving parents looking for their children but I have never seen any that go to so much trouble to look alluring for the camera. Who makes a photo op out of their search for their missing son?
I also don’t think these things are lost on MCSO.
Just Saying
JMO
O/T Last I heard they are still looking for the mother who was living with this couple Have they found her yet ?
O/T- I am not sure if she is intentionally laying low, but I am pretty sure LE knows where she is.
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@Truth
I don’t know if DY is covering but she sure acts like it sometimes
It would not surprise me. if SZ came out of Medford for some reason
Maybe Tony’s work Maybe her work
Maybe that is a secret this started in the southern part of the state
Not Portland
@Truth I am not saying DY or Tony did this but we have no idea what was going on between them and others down there in that area They were working on some kind if fraud investigation when they got together if my memory
Isn’t off.
It is possible that the first and/or Grand Jury simply had the case(s) removed from them. I know it happened to us when I sat on a GJ. DA was like…..later baby. We might call you back or not. So IMO now I know we were merely being used as tool to “test the waters” so to speak, and apparently our questions and responses to the case were telling the DA his ship wasn’t water-tight yet.
I don’t know what the legal designation for that would be. GJs are frequently used for such issues- hell, I reviewed a GJ report which was convened to decide if racism was prevalent in an area that just paid out multi-million dollars before a suit was filed with pending criminal litigation. It is important to note there were 2- which means there Must be an outcome from #1. Based on the language available as well as some of the parties actions- I am convinced #1 ended in a no true bill.
B
erose says:
December 4, 2015 at 7:21 pm
Oh, erose, quit being so practical and logical. LOL, You know nothing in this case makes any sense, why should they have to?
@Malty says:
December 5, 2015 at 2:59 am
Scary isn’t it? Apparently it was more important for that woman to be a martyr, than a mother. So maybe in the long run, she actually did that child a favor.
If DY is making up stories, not telling the truth, then it’s one of two things isn’t it? One: she doesn’t really know the truth, so she gives her opinions as fact. Or, Two: she is purposely and intentionally telling lies. Why would she do either?
I know a lot of folks say that one reason DY insists it must be Terri, is she can’t bring herself to believe the horror that it was a stranger. I think that thinking is backward. I think if I thought someone I entrusted all those years with the care of my child/loved one, harmed them, I would be waaaaay more horrified. I would much rather believe it was some wacko, than blame myself for allowing TMH, the evil stepmom, to take care of my kid. Why does DY have such a hard time considering it may NOT be TMH at all?
I wish we knew WHY exactly DY blamed and was suspicious of TMH from the get go. She had no knowledge of an alleged MFH, hell, she didn’t even know about TMH’s prior DUI. Why did she immediately think Terri had “done something” to her son? At one point she said Terri was “angry that day”, but she never tells us what exactly Terri was angry about. Kaine says Terri was acting normally on June 4, 2015, who is accurate?
Here’s the fly in that ointment T. Ruth- DY KNOWS TH is not harming Kyron physically herself- I believe this conversation with LE netted the “hateful emails.” I truly believe DY became aware of Kaine’s affair (admitted Dr. Phil) and believed TH feared losing K due to the sibling issue OR she facilitated a scenario that would make sure Kaine had no standing in a divorce and things went wrong.
B
Speaking of that day, that morning. I’ve never heard Kaine Horman talk about that morning, other than his scripted-sounding feeding the cat, hugging the kid and off to work I went. We did hear a tad more from him on Dr. Phil’s interview, where he mentions, years later, that he had been to the gym earlier that morning. I wonder, when he came back home from the gym, (Which I still think is weird, why he didn’t just go on from the gym to work. Why did he return to the house? Had he perhaps forgotten something?) But anyway, we’ve never heard him say what was going on when he returned to the house. Where was Terri? Making breakfast? Feeding the kid? On the computer, sending DY emails? Just odd that in all those interviews, he never mentioned the gym, let alone anything else that was going on inside the house that day. Did anyone ever find out if the Moulton’s were there visiting that day? I remember it being discussed, but not the results.
Anyway, my point is, he mentions that TMH was acting normally in the afternoon, after she allegedly had her stepson abducted, but he never mentions how she was acting that morning, before she carried out her plans for the day. I wonder why no mention.
It is possible that the first and/or “second”Grand Jury simply had the case(s).
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Sorry left out the word second in my post re the GJ.
Not understanding your question T-
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Terri had no involvement in Kyron’s disappearance. Your actions are shocking and irreprehensible. You need to get professional help. The only purpose that you serve it to mislead the investigation. Law enforcement screwed this up in the beginning and you are only helping to screw it up now. It is a know fact that an unidentified male suspect took Kyron from the school, and yet Terri has been blamed. This community should have pushed for better protection of its school children; however, they were thrown off the path due to Terri being used as a scapegoat. The truth will be know; and when it is, I hope that Terri can come back and sue you for slander. You aren’t an attorney, quit posting your misunderstandings about the case as if they are fact, because you apparently have people following your page that can’t tell fact from fiction.
FOUND ON WORLD SOLDIERS TODAY.
Not seeing it Malty?
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Rose says:
December 4, 2015 at 11:44 pm
@mbs. Statutes in OR seem just fine.
In Mult County, tho, those statutes are/were interpreted
&/or enforced by a decades-long-term powerful DA
with few if any civic checks, certainly not the press,
as well as judges–Kitz-wing appointed–prior to their
eventual independent elections acter appointment.
Imo Portland is the poster child
for legislation from the Bench (interpreting Statutes based
on whatever).
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“certainly not the press”
So Rose, or anyone – I am unclear what kinds of training reporters – journalists – actually get. Perhaps most simply don’t understand statutes, laws, and process beyond the most obvious and knowing how to fill out FOIA forms doesn’t do them much good? That guess is supported by how much restating of incorrect information has been copied from article to article in this case and the lack of any apparent attempt to find a fresh perspective.
That said, I don’t think you need any special training to read the GJ information I posted in order to ask questions – in person or in print.
Blink really not showing
Oh well just a person who dared to speak up. Not important. But nice to see Now and then
It may be tucked under a reply somewhere Malty- I don’t doubt you saw it and I agree 100%.
I have noticed an up tick in TH support- or at the very least, denouncement of anyone terrorizing another without a scintilla of evidence to back it up.
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nah you guys.
Since the Davidsons read &approve all WS content, maybe 1
or the other disapproved.
Or Soldier just exercises her delete-fast power.
Sharp eye Malty.
wrt “(Desiree) believed TH feared losing K due to the sibling issue OR she facilitated a scenario that would make sure Kaine had no standing in a divorce and things went wrong”
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/12/31/kyron-horman-missing-new-years-eve-settlement-ends-horman-marriage/#comments
1) Terri’s not that smart.
2) Desiree would not reason that out either.
my opinion.
Fair enough consider she met with counsel, decided not to retain criminal representation until half the LE presence in the county was in her road or bushes with her baby gone.
What happened after that- prior to representation is the stuff of nightmares.
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You know Blink considering she had no income stream or savings, and was WHOLLY financially dependent on Kaine, I find her failure to hire criminal counsel more typical of housewives in the same position than not. How does one ask the husband with all the $ chits to defend you from mcso/da saying you took his son?
O/T Hard to believe she watched her son and d-i-l leave the house dressed up for a holiday party with ammo, bombs and guns.
Malty says:
December 5, 2015 at 3:19 am
O/T Last I heard they are still looking for the mother who was living with this couple Have they found her yet ?
O/T- I am not sure if she is intentionally laying low, but I am pretty sure LE knows where she is.
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I don’t know what the legal designation for that would be. GJs are frequently used for such issues- hell, I reviewed a GJ report which was convened to decide if racism was prevalent in an area that just paid out multi-million dollars before a suit was filed with pending criminal litigation. It is important to note there were 2- which means there Must be an outcome from #1. Based on the language available as well as some of the parties actions- I am convinced #1 ended in a no true bill.
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Yeah I don’t know either, but it happened. It was a murder investigation. This was over 10 years ago. I never heard or read about the case again, so I don’t know what happened, but we were never re-convened for it and we made no decisions whatsoever on it. It was basically abruptly pulled as we were reviewing it. We went on to decide other cases, but that one was just pulled, after we had spent quite a bit of time on it, hearing from LE and witnesses. Also, we were impaneled for three months, not one, and reported two to three times a week, due to excessive meth cases. I don’t know if the case was ever brought to a GJ again, but I know it wasn’t us who heard it if it was.
I wonder if that happens a lot, if a DA feels things aren’t going the way they should before the GJ, do they just drop the whole process and start over again with a new GJ, in anticipation of the GJ issuing a No True Bill? IOW DA says whoa nellie, this is not going the way I thought it would, this GJ is asking questions I never thought about, asking for information we don’t have, need to get out of this now, before any Bill is issued?
Yes in some circumstances can- however, I cannot underscore enough that one cannot empanel a second grand jury ( key word here- empanel- v sitting) without a disposition in #1 that would allow it to review similar evidence. Respectful broken record here- GJ #1 was a no true bill- nothing else fits.
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@TRuth and @Rose, I so appreciate your senses of humor.
To the question of DY involved in a cover up, I have always thought that if TH did not take Kyron and his abduction was indeed by SZ then all of the family members should be investigated for a connection to SZ, not just TH.