Kyron Horman Missing: New Years Eve Settlement Ends Horman Marriage
Portland, OR- In a surprise court hearing, Judge Henry Kantor signed off on the agreement between Kaine Horman and Terri Moulton Horman to end their marriage this afternoon.
Details of the agreement have not been released publicly, but according to KGW, a financial settlement to include child support and a lump payment to Terri Horman has been reached.
In what can only be described as a bitter family court feud- the divorce matter was last in court on December 16th to decide if the Horman landscaper, Rodolfo Sanchez Estrada -who alleges Terri Horman tried to hire him to murder Kaine Horman at a lunch meeting – would testify.
Judge Kantor has not yet filed an order from that hearing but Attorneys for Terri Horman were granted a continuance from the pending temporary custody motion scheduled for December 19th and 20th.
BOC Associate Editor Tarin Kenley contributed to this report.
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It is possible TH was angry with DY because she was supposed to come to Portland, be at the SF and then take Kyron home with her and then she had to work. DY has lamented as much. So DY thinks that TH thinks that Kyron is the problem, even though TH might be thinking DY is the problem thus sending shorter than normal emails throughout the day. Maybe those were the hateful emails. Maybe the anger TH projected toward DY for failing her son to show up at the SF was somehow interpreted as a projection onto Kyron. Maybe because the plans changed, KH said he would take Kyron for ice cream. Thing is, by Zimmerman’s account, TH was inquiring about the t-shirts for DY, so TH must have been over it. DY, not so much. Perhaps it is the guilt of not being at the SF, and blaming TH because TH was there.
T. Ruth says:
December 5, 2015 at 12:35 pm
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I wish we knew WHY exactly DY blamed and was suspicious of TMH from the get go.
You may be right erose- I personally have never felt that DY initial reaction was anything other than a Mom in her situation, her POV, that thought ( wrong or right) that she and TH were doing a good job. Not making any judgements here or “drilling down”- but I am convinced that TH, with the aid of observation from assets within Skyline scheduled Ky for an ASPY evaluation on 6/3 for 6/11. Why haven’t DY nor KH admitted this or admitted that a DR appt was scheduled at all? That is hugely suspect to me.
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What ever went on today there are attacks getting nasty toward Kaine about a search at his place Those people are getting stored up
There is kind of a off set that says new posts so I looked there and saw lots of pics of Kyron I don’t think I have seen before and a post saying that site had caused this case to be so messed up and because of their Terri claims The school got off of any responsibility And to stop acting like an attorney and posting their misunderstandings of the case. Because her followers don’t know fact from fiction
Of course the response was if you don’t like my site don’t read here LOL
I put my like on it Then copy And lost it
Every one that stands up. Pleases me To no end. It chips a little at a time at that site
I don’t think these stand ups are. Big Terri people as much as people who see the injustice in her treatment
And what it has done to this case To keep Kyron from being found in a reasonable time and the lawlessness of the site also old fashion rude behavior
Where would this case today if there had never been this Terri thing ??? From them
@erose
OT
sense of humor?
He probably lifted the burkah veil for the first time & decided he preferred
heavenly virgins.
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or, I’m fantasizing religious diversity
immigrants can be met with persecuted Tibetan buddhists.
If the site gets any more accusations toward Kaine. I hope he has the power to shut it down
Now that would be great
@Erose. A fine line of thinking trim you
I just don’t understand how the Davidsons even knew Terri very well She did drive Kyron down but only to Eugene as I understood it I doubt if they really even knew her
I am making to many spelling -word mistakes Thanks to all for putting up with it
Eyes or tired or iPhone I need to stop posting right now
@Blink. “You may be right erose- I personally have never felt that DY initial reaction was anything other than a Mom in her situation, her POV, that thought ( wrong or right) that she and TH were doing a good job. Not making any judgements here or “drilling down”- but I am convinced that TH, with the aid of observation from assets within Skyline scheduled Ky for an ASPY evaluation on 6/3 for 6/11. Why haven’t DY nor KH admitted this or admitted that a DR appt was scheduled at all? That is hugely suspect to me.
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what is ASPY?
A pediatrician can’t really eval for anything cognitive or socioemotional, wven if said ped claims a “developmental” specialty. What peds do, after getting parent & teacher “forms” is refer out to an appropriate neuropsychologist, speech lang therapist, OT, or County Child Find.
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Desiree’s initial reaction whilst driving to Portland was Terri had subjected kyron to harm & was responsibke for his disappearance. That is not rational imo.
It is not a typical noncustodial mother reaction,
whether the stepmother is good or suspect,
absent information from an official quarter informing her.
sorry. link for above quote
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/12/31/kyron-horman-missing-new-years-eve-settlement-ends-horman-marriage/comment-page-283/#comment-2249174
I don’t want to read aspergers into aspy Blink. that’s why I asked what you meant.
I cannot imagine any Ped or teacher would say in advance
that should be the focus.
To me, he doesn’t fit an aspergers profile.
He may fit some sort of adversity whilst in utero
who knows — mechanical, FAS, or infectious.
But imo neither bio would be able to confront those
possibilities with a doctor.
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kind of ironic Kaine is supporting a “partner” with 2
children with severe heritable life-threatening physical disorders
yes aspergers, Rose.
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Rose says:
December 5, 2015 at 5:46 pm
wrt “(Desiree) believed TH feared losing K due to the sibling issue OR she facilitated a scenario that would make sure Kaine had no standing in a divorce and things went wrong”
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/12/31/kyron-horman-missing-new-years-eve-settlement-ends-horman-marriage/#comments
1) Terri’s not that smart.
2) Desiree would not reason that out either.
my opinion.
Fair enough consider she met with counsel, decided not to retain criminal representation until half the LE presence in the county was in her road or bushes with her baby gone.
What happened after that- prior to representation is the stuff of nightmares.
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Re #1 “Terri’s not that smart.” – I’m not going to link all this unless someone requests it, because I’m not sure I saved it all and I suspect most of us do remember, but –
a) TH lived with a teacher friend for a while and left that teacher’s stuff out in the rain while she was moving stuff around, b) TH substituted for a teacher on maternity leave and threw out some of her classroom stuff without asking, c) it was said TH made comments to people about how she could do a better job than a particular teacher, d) gym patrons said TH commented at the gym about her personal life with Kaine even though they didn’t know her that well, e) there were other occasions when it seemed like she didn’t realize how other people took her behavior or comments, or the degree of trouble she could be in, f) and she didn’t do very well anticipating successful relationship (marriage) choices or maintaining them, g) add her use of 911 to help her out, and sexting (possibly knowing it was a set-up by Kaine).
Given all this, it is not surprising that Blink says: “Fair enough consider she met with counsel, decided not to retain criminal representation until half the LE presence in the county was in her road or bushes with her baby gone.”
So, I’m agreeing with Rose but looking at a different kind of “smart”. When you look at the big picture (not saying she has a disability because I don’t know), it’s easy to see how LE could befuddle her, get themselves off track, and take advantage of her to cover it up. In the olden days, we taught kids that a policeman was a safe person to talk to and ask for help. I still think that’s true way more often than not. But even though she was exasperated with how she was treated, she still seemed to have much more faith in LE to handle this case impartially and appropriately than the average person.
I think trusting Houze was the best thing she could have done for herself. While we are (after investigation) appropriately horrified at how she has been treated, I doubt that has been as clear to her along the way as one would hope.
Re #2 “Desiree would not reason that out either. my opinion.” –
I believe DY sees everything through her own lens based on her life history and whatever events there have been relating to her health. I don’t think she knew TH that well as a real person – why would she even want to- and even if she thought she knew her, I don’t think she would have a way to know the outlook TH has (IMO) based on what I said above. Therefore, any motive DY projects as being Terri’s must be based on her own point of view. If the roles were reversed, how would DY see Terri? How far would she go to get even or preserve a marriage or to keep a relationship w a child? What she says is more of a window to her mind than to Terri’s – and to her mind as impacted by a tragic event.
So I am agreeing with Rose again, with a bit more about why.
All my own thoughts, of course.
T. Ruth says:
December 5, 2015 at 7:07 pm
“Yeah I don’t know either, but it happened. It was a murder investigation. This was over 10 years ago. I never heard or read about the case again, so I don’t know what happened, but we were never re-convened for it and we made no decisions whatsoever on it. It was basically abruptly pulled as we were reviewing it. We went on to decide other cases, but that one was just pulled, after we had spent quite a bit of time on it, hearing from LE and witnesses. Also, we were impaneled for three months, not one, and reported two to three times a week, due to excessive meth cases. I don’t know if the case was ever brought to a GJ again, but I know it wasn’t us who heard it if it was.”
@T.Ruth – In your case, what if the person confessed or made a plea bargain after the GJ began, or someone else confessed or he died, or some other unexpected thing happened? It wouldn’t always have to be about the evidence, would it?
LMAO
Rose says:
December 5, 2015 at 8:41 pm
@Blink, But why both bios not admitting it?
erose says:
December 5, 2015 at 7:21 pm
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Not making any judgements here or “drilling down”- but I am convinced that TH, with the aid of observation from assets within Skyline scheduled Ky for an ASPY evaluation on 6/3 for 6/11. Why haven’t DY nor KH admitted this or admitted that a DR appt was scheduled at all? That is hugely suspect to me.
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Cross purposes is my best answer, erose. It is a sucky one, but only Kaine and DY know that answer and I doubt it is forthcoming. It is contained in at least 2 depositions I am aware of so it is not like at the very least Kaine is unaware.
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Neither bio admits to the dr. appt. Neither bio holds the school accountable.
IKR.
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It occurs to me while Desiree drove the 4.5 hr drive to Skyline that Tony was workng his phone and connecting up with men in blue with mcso, not knowing ppb had jurisdiction. He would not sit in the passenger seat for 4 hrs with nothing to do imo.
erose says:
December 5, 2015 at 7:21 pm
You may be right erose- I personally have never felt that DY initial reaction was anything other than a Mom in her situation, her POV, that thought ( wrong or right) that she and TH were doing a good job. Not making any judgements here or “drilling down”- but I am convinced that TH, with the aid of observation from assets within Skyline scheduled Ky for an ASPY evaluation on 6/3 for 6/11. Why haven’t DY nor KH admitted this or admitted that a DR appt was scheduled at all? That is hugely suspect to me.
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I agree about the appt. I think it is a parent’s right to keep that sort of medical information confidential from the public if they choose to. However, I tend to suspect something else is going on here. Maybe Kaine knows about the appointment and knows why, and was supposed to talk to DY about it, but he didn’t, so DY did not know, therefore, he doesn’t want her to be angry for not being told. I know this is a stretch, but so much of this seems to be about them, not Kyron, that it sort of makes sense to me.
I also suspect the GJ #1 and probably #2 had information about the appointment. I believe Ms. Porter knows, probably the Special Ed Department knows (thinking someone was asked to do a classroom observation). Even if he was seeing the pediatrician for another referral, some documentation was required. I do not believe anybody actually thought he had an appointment on June 4th and I don’t believe anyone thought she was taking him with her to an appointment for his sister. Other than to cast doubt on Terri, I cannot think of any other reason this specific information about an appointment should not be disclosed – they would not have to say why or with whom, just if and when. Why would LE object?
Here’s a thought – if Ms. Porter has an attorney of her own, could that attorney get some sort of order to prevent everyone (bios, Terri, LE, etc.) from giving out any information relating to her story except in court by a subpoena to do so?
MBS- I think that is also part of it, but for a different reason. I think Kaine was very resistant to admit Kyron may have been ASPY. I also suspect this was a point of contention between Kaine and TH- but he was aware of it ( I believe he stated “there was some talk about an appt, and in another interview he said something about TH creating probs so she could solve them or words to that effect.) There WAS a Skyline-utilized observer in the classroom observing another student for special needs/learning disability markers- I interviewed her under the condition I did not release her name or that of the student being evaluated. ( I believe this is who one of the kids called a sub or teaching assistant). I want to be clear on this point because you and several others on this site are what I would consider subject matter experts (smes) in various and multi-disciplined areas of administrative policy and function wrt to school/parent/child and special needs issues and I have received COUNTLESS pms over the last few years from medical professionals weighing in on the possibility of Kyron possibly having mild spectrum autism (NOS) to ASPY. My point- there is no professional that can say whether or not Kyron was ASPY without proper evaluation to include teacher and caregiver feedback. TH requested this from Porter on 6/3/10, to be provided to Kyrons pediatrician at his scheduled appointment on 6/11/10. I was incorrect when I previously stated that TH asked Porter for any forms to support her observations.
Porter was compelled by Judge Kantor after being represented by the school district Atty to be deposed by HouzeofBunch and she was- so no, she would not be entitled to a protective order.
I can say this- it is my understanding Ms. Youngs counsel got ANOTHER call regarding statements she made on behalf of an email she said TH sent Porter excusing Kyron on 6/4/10. Not only did it contradict Porter’s deposition, but it could not be construed as anything other than a willful misrepresentation.
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One thing I noticed was a reporter questioned DY about Terri as a mother to Kyron and DY paused then said she gave him everything he needed
What does that mean it seems like a good thing to me
@Rose your comment about the burka was was fun That’s what he requested online looking for a wife a woman who would ware a burka
Since he was born in Chicago 1956 I was surprised he was traditional. However I read in the last 10 yrs in the US
The Internet is a accepted method to find a proper wife Muslin And has many sites for that purpus
O/T But I do find it interesting Differences
one of the O’s most accurate & informative pieces.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_blended_family_f.html
while under Terry’s byline, it appears the 3 excellent reporters (on other stories) got the
info for it.
Article says she had an MEd.
If you did mean aspergers on the doctor’s appointment (as opposed to the
much criticized mini seizures), the why would neither bio confirm?
Imo ashamed of the behavioral piece, the potential special ed label, seems most likely.
Probably thought MEd Terri was just off on a tear again, like the sign language, like the card
color behavioral reports of a normal child, overdiagnosing &
overtreating. He blamed kiara’s age appropriate & teething behavior on Terri.
He probably blamed her for kyron’s school issues. And his father (step)?
Per topher , Horman Sr could not accept behavioral troubles and social adjustment problems after
the war were attributable to physical causes–physical injuries & ptsd. I doubt the Horman Srs would
accept aspergers as a hypo to be researched to explain Kyron’s behavior either. Desiree’s reaction to his school
attentional issue was to tell him to try harder, and she wanted him to move in with her. I doubt she’d take
well at all to Terri getting him worked up. Without medical custody, even if Terri knew he needed early help,
she had to wait til the school made it clear to the bios to get permission for an eval from Kaine. I bet he OK’d the
pediatrician but nothing more. Terri seems to have been manipulating “the doctor” to be the one to get bios on board. If Kyron was targeted, it is suspicious it happened not only before the dr apptment, but also very likely before Porter had memorialized concerns on the behavioral form.
I think it was an evaluation too, Blink. It has always puzzled me that is left out(if it is true).
Unless it is left out because there were some warring factions on whether or not he should be evaluated in the first place, which makes total sense when you look at how chaotic this family situation is. Maybe DY and KH think that information would harm public perception or maybe they feel if it is not mentioned, it didn’t or wasn’t happening.
In my experience with Oregon schools, they do almost anything possible not to label a student as anything that would require special services. Parents that I know, that are searching for answers, resort to independent evaluations. Complete speculation on my part but I’ve always thought that is what the doctor’s appt was all about.
It was discussed and scheduled during Kiaras Dr. appt on 6/3/10, for Friday 6/11/10. During that same appt, the pediatrician elected not to script another antibiotic for Kitty’s ear infection because she had adverse reactions leaving her with some pretty irritating diaper rash. This would also be the appointment where Doc alerted TH to the recall she would run into the following am. All of the above provided in a deposition.
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B quote (snipped)…
“…but I am convinced that TH, with the aid of observation from assets within Skyline scheduled Ky for an ASPY evaluation on 6/3 for 6/11. Why haven’t DY nor KH admitted this or admitted that a DR appt was scheduled at all? That is hugely suspect to me.
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Always has been one of many suspicious issues in this case for me.
I believe one possible explanation for the bios’ total silence on that doctor appointment is that neither DY or KH want to admit that Kyron might have required such an examination. “Flaws” in their son were embarrassing, in their POV.
And along those lines, LE didn’t seem to think it was necessary to clear up the “mystery” of the doctor’s appointment. It was necessary.
Wth is wrong with telling the public that your kid had a doctor’s appointment coming up and that it was arranged by the child’s stepmother? Oh, well, maybe that’s the issue here — the appointment wasn’t made by one of the bios, and that means that it makes the stepmother look good. Can’t have that, can we? (snark intended there)
about “incorect…asked Porter for any forms to support her observations.”
You mean there was never a form from the pediatrician to be completed?
Terri just wanted some oral behavioral descriptors?
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I would bite on aspergers as a hypo to rule out (if he had significant school & social
problems, although there are easier disability explanations),
but for the severity of the eye damage. That suggests a bigger physical picture.
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If he did have aspergers, Kaine may too, which might explain Kaine’s adult attachment
challenges and poor (imo) social choices better than his early fractured family of origin.
Imo it would also suggest if Kaine’s
world, lifestyle etc were threatened by Terri, what might he do?
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So she had chronic ear infections and had enough amoxicillin over time to
result in yeast diaper infections? Any parent knows irritability goes with infant ear infections, so it is
imo outrageous Kaine publically blamed Terri’s mothering. (Actually once a Horman resident teen on twitter
said she had split personality, so I doubt the episodic tantrums resolved as he claimed.) One
thing for sure, if she needed tubes, or a strong antibiotic, that’s one father who would not
have had that worked up imo.
To my “corrected” knowledge- there was no form, an oral discussion about what the PED told TH to ask Porter for- requested in the form of a response email. I think there is also the fact that most people do not realize that TH volunteerism in Porters class included her testing students reading skills ( sans Kyron, not appropriate). I mention this because people have interpreted Porter’s “silence” as negative to TH- now aware of her deposition- not true.
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@Malty. to me the response of she gave him what he needed
in response to a mother question showed how fiercely she
wanted to deny Terri filled the mother role in K’s life.
about “Not only did it contradict Porter’s deposition, but it could not be construed as anything other than a willful misrepresentation.” Well, a pattern of chronic random lies, esp when lies are gratuitous, indicates her own set of mental health challenges.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/12/31/kyron-horman-missing-new-years-eve-settlement-ends-horman-marriage/comment-page-283/#comment-2249194
@blink are your witnesses able to pin a decade age on SZ? ie over 65? 20s-30s? 40s-50s?
not at all comfortable with that- I can say I did hear from a witness “white male in his 30′s” So- SZ is white and over 30, which as I have maintained is a useless descriptor.
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imo no one going to lengths to work a kid up for aspergers
without his parents’ support would off him,
anger or not, before that workup gave her answers.
Hell no- and keep in mind he was off to DY for an extended Summer visit the following week-
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The whole relationship between those bio and step parents had to be stressful and take a lot of hard work As DY said they worked on it for the children
And it seemed to ok until Kyron was crying about wanting more time in Medford Which I think he enjoyed his cousins
And having kids to play with plus undivided attention from mom and Tony for the weekend Then Kyron went missing
As far as DY and Terri We know al kinds of stuff about Terri and nothing really about DY as far as how she handled
Personal relationships With co workers , supervisors , neighbors friendships So on
Know little about Kaine and nothing about Tony
All we really know is after Kyron went missing Things fell apart between these people IMO
I wish Kyron had had a dog / puppy of his own after James moved
between the failure to change antibiotic to a stronger effective one, while treating the yeast, & not
providing Terri forms for teacher & 2 bios, imo their pediatrician was not All That. Maybe she coukdn’t get
the typical pediatrician behavioral inventory form
completed by schoolteacher without Kaine’s permission.
It differentiates someone of say
Neil’s age from Kaine’s age, just as a hypo.
Looking forward to that “legal clearance,” which I assume is
the source sending a release form to your attorney. Thank you, Source.
Wow-zer on Porter’s deposition. I definitely am one who concluded her silence was negative. Just goes to show…
it is my understanding everyone was expressly told not to speak to anyone outside of court order about the case. I do believe the bios are remiss at not using such new info to hold the school accountable. SMH
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@MockingbirdSings says:
December 5, 2015 at 11:06 pm
@T.Ruth – In your case, what if the person confessed or made a plea bargain after the GJ began, or someone else confessed or he died, or some other unexpected thing happened? It wouldn’t always have to be about the evidence, would it?
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Of course not, my point was that it is a *possibility* that the first and maybe even the second GJ, were simply dismissed without making any Bill go forward. DA could have simply gleaned enough info from the GJ’s inquiries to know that he/she was on the wrong track as well. (Blink disagrees, so I just digress.) I’m not that versed, I just sat. LOL
T.Ruth- it IS possible to dismiss a GJ , and resume with another GJ without it rendering a verdict. It is NOT possible under OR law to dismiss a jury without a disposition, empanel a jury SPECIFICALLY to hear the identical case and suspend that, and recall it at will.
The issue is revealed in the statutory language used in filings in the civil case- wrt to Oregon in particular- SO to your point- if a DA wants to use sitting juries to deliberate how gum wads on the sidewalk were placed there by Buddy the Elf he can. Under the Oregon supreme court if he is going to do that outside of the 3 already sitting when a previous GJ accepted testimony and relevant evidence the DA must explain that in a court motion for an order to do so and when I read “new” and “new investigative avenues” those are terms explaining why one needs to empanel due to a no true bill. He needs permission for that specifically.
ps- if you want to shoot me a private post with the case/timeline you sat- I can see if I can locate the disposition.
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If I were to go paranoid on a significant political or financial sector player (ie leading OR Co owner) wrt kyron, I’d foia the job listing & competitive process for hiring the head of Security for OSHU when Greg got the job, OSU asst budget position when DY got the job, and Gov Kitz’s public safety advisor. imo all of these plums went to case-involved persons whonwith noncompetitive (imo) position backgrounds were awarded about the same time.
I think I would suspect lonely and childhood depression For Kyron Bless him
When Kaine talked about taking Kyron to visit friends in Ca He said there would be kids to play with there
I never figured out if Kyron was going to DY for a long visit and also going with Kaine to CA Or what but a kid needs
To play with peers And a have a dog to play fetch and sleep with and cuddle and talk to
IMO
Holding off on that Rose
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I think the Dr eval was important for Kyron After James moved
@Malty. that is true but assumes a 2nd grader is part of a group who invites him over to hang out.
kyron’s peer contact seems mostly organized (soccer) or arranged outings by Terri with a peer that would be likely to accept due to the venue, ie bowling, a farm visit, or a chuckie cheese type place.
btw to sue, the school need not name Porter or other individual teachers.
If I were a bio, my suit would name only PPS and claim his disappearance from school premises
was due to a failure of school personnel to follow PPS policies & practices routinely, that Keefer’s admin supv was aware of that (keefer’s newletter as evidence), yet failed to develop, implement and monitor a corrective action plan involving principal, staff, and parents.
I am going to respectfully disagree with that Rose- one would need to prove the action willfull or negligent to the standard of care in place, and in practice, AND THEN expecting the defense of the school claiming immunity for the event that fell outside of the reg school day and is “deemed special” or, for practical terms, not subject to regular standard of care ( prolly on duty) AS WELL AS the prima facie for how Kyron ( through permission) care was breached, resulting in his abduction. In your potential generalization action I would be hard pressed to find a claim of “foreseeable” or inability to mitigate risk.
Within the framework of this day, with the known principals, it cannot be argued that it was not preventable when you have Matthews approving, and Porter in her depo admitting the lapse of protocol in reporting Kyron absent and assuming he had a Dr. appt. (we don’t know immediate notification would have thwarted this).
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Even if one can fathom them not holding the school responsible, how the smear campaign can continue is beyond.
erose says:
December 6, 2015 at 8:49 pm
Wow-zer on Porter’s deposition. I definitely am one who concluded her silence was negative. Just goes to show…
it is my understanding everyone was expressly told not to speak to anyone outside of court order about the case. I do believe the bios are remiss at not using such new info to hold the school accountable. SMH
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Bottom line here- a 7 year old child was abducted from his elementary school, there are witnesses to him leaving the classroom ( there may be witnesses who saw him enter a vehicle with SZ or other not his Mother- that was verified 3 days in but I am not aware of any) with an unidentified male over 5 years ago, which caused the FBI and plain clothes MCSO employees to hide out in the shrubs and park in formation around the place until the end of the school year and subsequently install a security system to include facial recognition software, AND CONSTANT MONITORING PANELS. Abduction is the term used by LE- er go, for them to do so they must reasonable and relevant evidence this occurs at the school.
YET
WTF is calling Skyline a crime scene? WTF is calling Skyline ground zero?
I am not suggesting Skyline is complicit- I don’t have any information to support that past the obvious breaches to standard of care of the punitive variety, but FOR THE LOVE OF GOD (yes yelling) the answers to that child’s recovery lie within the walls of that school in some form of another and every damn person tasked with his care, whether by birthright or proxy as a crime victim is ignoring this fact and it is maddening to me.
Why that school, Why that day and Why that child should be the only 3 headers of the white boards of any agency in charge of this case.
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@Blink, You said “new info” and Rose is speculating source, I am speculating FOIA. Either way, I assume you are devouring. This is great!
Chief slinky tester is becoming an occupation requiring more pilates than I have time for
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“when a previous GJ accepted testimony and relevant evidence the DA must explain that in a court motion for an order to do so and when I read “new” and “new investigative avenues”
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/12/31/kyron-horman-missing-new-years-eve-settlement-ends-horman-marriage/#comments
I suppose Staton & the DA could get away with callng the testimony they sought under a “new” GJ was “new” because DDS (who testified at GJ2) never testified before GJ1. So the new witness was NOT RSE because he
did testify before GJ1 (about the mfh).
Except it was convened long before DDS was called.
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ps- if you want to shoot me a private post with the case/timeline you sat- I can see if I can locate the disposition.
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Not worth your time and trouble, Blink. It’s highly possible there was a motion to the court to pull it off our agenda. Oh, and btw, just to let you all know I won’t be able to NOT vote for Judge Randy Garrison next year, the judge that wouldn’t let TMH change her name, because, just like everyone else seems to be doing in this case, he’s retiring. LOL
Lol, ok- good call on Garrison’s part- I heard the fact that his wife was posting on the case and the fact that he had knowledge as a result was a topic of discussion.
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It was discussed and scheduled during Kiaras Dr. appt on 6/3/10, for Friday 6/11/10. During that same appt, the pediatrician elected not to script another antibiotic for Kitty’s ear infection because she had adverse reactions leaving her with some pretty irritating diaper rash. This would also be the appointment where Doc alerted TH to the recall she would run into the following am. All of the above provided in a deposition.
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Whose deposition? Who would know this as fact besides TMH or the Doctor?
As I understand it, more than one person’s and I am not publishing that source as of yet although your question is valid, T.Ruth. As far as “who would know this” I would have no way of knowing that conclusively.
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Blink, that’s cool, but I was just wondering if someone else was with TMH & Kiara at the doctor appointment, such as maybe TMH’s mom. I’m still not clear on whether or not either of the Moulton’s may have been at the Horman home that day or on the 3rd, because IIRC, they were up there the weekend prior. But I could be mistaken. Almost six years later… forgetting stuff.
@Rose says:
December 6, 2015 at 4:31 pm
@Blink says:
“To my “corrected” knowledge- there was no form, an oral discussion about what the PED told TH to ask Porter for- requested in the form of a response email.”
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Want to make sure I have this right:
On the afternoon of June 3rd, AFTER TMH had taken Kiara to a Dr. Appointmnet, she speaks with Kyron’s teacher Ms. Porter, and verbally requested from her what the doctor would like to see documented in regard to Kyron’s behavior?
If this is the case, why would Porter say on June 4th, she thought Kyron went to a doctor appointment with Kitty, when she was aware they’d just been to the doctor the day before?
Also, Jaymie Finster, stated that TMH had droppped off some forms. Knowledge of which would have had to come from TMH:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/friend_says_terry_moulton_horm.html
Horman told Finster, “I just don’t know what’s going on. This is what I did that day.”
Finster said Horman had told Kyron’s teacher the day before that she was taking the boy to the doctor on Friday, June 11, and gave the teacher paperwork to fill out related to the appointment.
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??????????????????? Somebody isn’t telling the truth.
1. I have never heard a quote from Porter in any media account. I have seen statements attributable to her- with no source.
2. I think Finster was translating her perception of what she was told- I did as well before learning differently.
3. Note here- I do think it is a true statement that TH was discussing her concerns about Kyron with friends ( in some cases trained in the field) and not with DY or Kaine but I don’t see how someones best recollection is lying without actually interviewing them- which as you know is a CHALLENGE.
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hold away!
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imo I feel the school’s routine failure to follow PPS’ safety & child supvervision policies & practices
could easily be proven as well as same was both negligant and the foreseeable cause of an abduction (why the procedures were in place in the first place). You have Keefer’s letter to parents a couple years prior saying his supervisor had pointed out entrance control policy violation, & he was changing door openness to fit pps policy iirc. One doesn’t need to prove specific negligance by EM or KP in that it’s a kind of res ipso loquitor (sp?) – the thing speaks for itself. It becomes PPS’ defense burden to prove the negligent sequelae (abduction) was no staff members’ fault.
IMO
I think DY actually did not know about the DR’s appointment and Kaine did not want his son officially diagnosed with any sort of mental disability that would follow Kyron for life. I believe Kaine did not want an official diagnosis from the doctor of Aspergers and he did not want it spoken about in the press.
(There seems to be a stigma attached to Aspergers as it is always brought up a a possible contributing factor for individuals committing crimes. )
I don’t think TH had informed DY about the DR. appointment so DY saw the appointment as just another attempt to usurp DY’s authority as Kyron’s parent and make her look bad for not noticing her son had a medical problem. That was what happened when Kyron’s vision problems were discovered by TH when Kyron was 2 years of age.
( I was surprised that in 2 years DY did not notice an vision problem as severe as Kyron’s but Kaine didn’t notice either)
OR DY may have kept quiet about the appointment because Kaine told her to.
DY may have denied knowledge about the appointment because it was another way to make TH out to be a liar which as we know is something DY is willing to do even at the expense of the truth.
I think there are lots of reasons why Kaine and DY did not want to discuss any medical conditions Kyron may have had with the media.
Obvs I am not a Dr, and I was not present. However, a -750 farsighted diagnosis of a toddler is a big deal.
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