Kyron Horman Missing: New Years Eve Settlement Ends Horman Marriage
Portland, OR- In a surprise court hearing, Judge Henry Kantor signed off on the agreement between Kaine Horman and Terri Moulton Horman to end their marriage this afternoon.
Details of the agreement have not been released publicly, but according to KGW, a financial settlement to include child support and a lump payment to Terri Horman has been reached.
In what can only be described as a bitter family court feud- the divorce matter was last in court on December 16th to decide if the Horman landscaper, Rodolfo Sanchez Estrada -who alleges Terri Horman tried to hire him to murder Kaine Horman at a lunch meeting – would testify.
Judge Kantor has not yet filed an order from that hearing but Attorneys for Terri Horman were granted a continuance from the pending temporary custody motion scheduled for December 19th and 20th.
BOC Associate Editor Tarin Kenley contributed to this report.
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interesting for its summary of aspergers
http://www.schoolmentalhealth.org/Resources/Educ/MHClassroomFactSheet.pdf
if he had it, thenhis transitions to Medford & return were harder for him than the
average 7 yo. would also explain June 4 run away theory as he was
expected to leave home as James arrived.
I found this interesting because one thing seemingly complained of in kyron was “gaze aversion,” (looking out into space), and likely that is why a pps classroom observor unfamiliar with him suggested an aspergers eval.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1023712/Daydreaming-pupils-stare-space-class-actually-intelligent-finds-study.html
implying gaze aversion is abnormal or psychological in a child with severe visual functioning, glasses or not, is ridiculous imo. While my son had global lds, including visual-spatial, his gaze aversion was nothing more than severely disabled central vision (one macula) and was not to be used by any teacher or psychologist to diagnose anything cognitive or social. With kyron’s severe nearsightedness impairment, imo gaze aversion would be his norm.
Terri should have known that, so what were her ped eval motives other than his “staring into space” when entering a room with the family?
OT – snow flying in my neck of Oregon. But at least it means a likely end to the drought. The ski resorts are happy.
Maybe the factual information drought in Kyron’s case will end too. Tired of gossip and lies spreading like dandelions in an uncaring neighborhood.
iirc the Bend property search at Kaine’s request was the home of a Moulton family friend, an attorney who suggested she hire a lawyer before Kaine’s RO acting out. Undoubtedly owner was present & picked up on (or was questioned as to) he might have cooperated with Terri in hiding Kyron. He came away from the search of his property thinking Terri was a focus of the abduction. The question is why Kaine thought Terri might stash Kyron in Bend, or stash Kyron at all; he directed MCSO to that property & landowner.
Hugs Malty. We’re trying to dry out.
Malty says:
December 13, 2015 at 1:24 am
Hi Erose How are you doing
another motive for Terri to seek to verify the source of behavioral whatever
would be social engineering of a custody change to Desiree. She
did tell Desiree she loved Kyron who knows what tense
was used; this is a quote from Desiree
who hears what she wants to hear).
That could have been a motivator
for a custody change goal if Terri knew
leaving Kaine was imminent. Maybe she hoped Kyron
would tell the ped he was unhappy & wanted to move.
@Rose.
This chart really helps Explain the various conditions Easy to read
great point nelmel. I can see a man with a passion for body development
self-treating his “shrimpy” son with his own product, & an annual physical
includes a urinalysis. He does involve children in his own passions as a Hill
girl tweeted with an unhappy tone she had to do gun target practice with him.
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Hypersexualized if true could just come from adult home role models. The 2 Hill girls
complained about the sounds in the home at times.
@TKG. Snow sounds fun. Lots more fun than dirty river water
Good to hear you are ok
imo thinking of parental supervision of this family’s child(ren),
for either parent of kiara to held accountable for
parenting, the elderly Queen of the Night in charge
of k’s parental relations will have to retire.
recent review, Nov 215, is scarey but consistant with prior reviews:
http://m.yelp.com/biz/billie-j-bell-msw-lcsw-portland
My post 47
I can’t find where I got that info and now think it hasn’t been proven So forget the info
If I ever run into the article again I will post a link
I know nothing of Aspergers when the conversation came up and these people are successful in business So I didn’t ask questions Just noted what was said
I should note Ms. Finster is a special education teacher in Hillsboro and I suspect as a good friend to TH since childhood- probably advised her thoughts and observations.
B
I think I am super glad I was never a step mom When you are not a bio parent it seems to complicate every thing you do
Terri probably felt she saw something to have checked out The whole thing seems have caused misunderstandings
IMO
@NelMel
The Soldier has always had the option to look at a bigger picture of this case research other answers If she wanted to Her choice
speculation as to how Bell was bought into by these 2 hapless parents:
http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/61064768/Billie-Bell-Excerpts
Wrote the recommendations (which the Judge took & thoughtfully ran with).
A Rule sensationalized and painted mother as beyond evil (reading Detective
A detective’s interview of the older boy from police files substantiated
mother’s marital circumstances imo. So Bell was a
fit in Kaine’s mind having handled a high profile case with a
“murderous” wife. And while Bell/Judge yielded to mother’s nonrelative (but socially
connected via a past marriage) preference, over her objections the placement was given custody, not mere
guardianship. Terri would buy in because mother’s placement preference was honored (the couple was sane),
and father’s relatives were not considered (his 2 sisters were also substance abusers),
and his family were given meager visitation. The problem with any analogy is father is dead & mother in
prison during the home study. When any parent is available to Bell, she choses the parent, warts & all. Imo
she deems Terri unavailable to parent or have unsupervised visitation unless cleared by mcso.
Dear Rose: Happy Early or belated Birthday
http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/12/oregons_bogus_prison_emergency.html
B
@Rose
That Bille Bell post is upsetting
I wonder if she has done
I hit submit to soon. I wonder if she has done anything For Kiara
3000 is a lot of money. Who pays?
@Rose this is yours from me
The order suggest they split the cost equally.
B
KH seems to admit to TH’s concerns about Kyron which he interprets as her too vigilant and harsh with discipline, but maybe she thought those behaviors expressed something more. Did she originally start with discipline and then realize their might be a deeper issue, or did KH correctly skew this? There was an issue and as NelMel pointed out could have caused a “ruckus in the Horman home.”
snip>
Her attitude changed in the past year after Kyron entered second grade, he said. His teacher, with a color-coding system for her class, rated the kids on their behavior. Green was good, yellow signaled moments of inattention, blue indicated trouble and red sent them home.
Kaine said the teacher called parents about a blue or red card. But he said his wife was the only parent who asked for daily accounts from the teacher.
“Terri wanted notification whether it was green, yellow, red or blue,” he said. “Every day she wanted it. That, to me, is extremely excessive. The child is in second grade.”
He said when Kyron brought home anything but a green card she wanted Kaine to discipline him by grounding him to his room for the evening, eliminating play time or not letting him watch movies.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html
I think what strikes me about the way he phrased that was all negative. Perhaps TH used it positively for rewards and to open a dialog. Clearly she had concerns that escalated over a time frame we are not privy to, but the facts seem to support that. Assessing behaviors and discussing accountability can be really important in the development of a child that age ( not an expert, I am an old fashioned parent- I taught our kids the only thing they should ever fear telling me was a lie and threatened to sit in the back of their class with a head full of hot rollers chewing a sprig of wheat if they did).
B
I wonder if DY missed TH’s point in those emails? What was she trying to convey, really? It seems she was reaching out about “the problem” and her frustrations with either Kyron’s behaviors and, or the teacher and KH’s response.
snip>
“There was no room for error,” Kaine said.
The couple frequently argued about disciplining Kyron, he said.
At the same time, Terri fired off long e-mails to Kyron’s mother, Desiree Young, peppered with complaints.
“She was venting about the teacher and why she should have her job,” Desiree said, “and she was venting about Kaine — everything.”
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html
Agreed. It dawns on me- not being able to identify certain behavioral issues of Kyron’s seems to be shared concerns by both DY and TH. I recall DY Dr. Phil where she discussed Kyron enuresis, Kyron being upset with no reason she understood- allegations Kaine was having an affair (he was). How is it these things are swirling around and TH opens up a DAILY DIALOGUE with Kys teacher and that is suspect?
In my view, people trying to hide things are not hanging that beetlejuice neon arrow over their kids head. They are distant and hopeful nobody is noticing.
In no way am I relaying this story based on any knowledge I have in this case- strictly an example of my experience in odd classroom behavior from an elementary peer perspective.
There was a kid in my class in elementary school who was withdrawn and prob socially awkward, but he was nice enough. I recall a few times when we started changing classrooms for math, etc, the teacher would gather us up, and he would be asleep on his elbow on his desk. For a kid about 7 with undiagnosed ADD I never fully sat in a chair, much less nodded off so I noticed. I also noticed it happened when leaving the other class. ( Keep in mind ADD so not observing during class, lol).
Fast forward to about 2010 and I was in a class and was asked to identify the registered sex offenders within a 2 mile radius of my childhood home. To say I was floored was an understatement. This boys father was on the list. Talk about a rude awakening.
B
I am not a teacher just the grandchild of 3 out of 4 grandparents That is as close I get LOL
But in my. Opinion I can not see what good those color slips on behavior did for Ikyron except to make life less pleasant at home I wonder was that a Ms Porter idea or the whole school
@Blink. Frink is such an appalling writer I bogged down & bailed out, bored, in paragraph 8. I suppose I am worse.
The first paragraph, of what he intends as to be a persuasive argument, does not lay out the historical basics. He says,
“Largely unknown to most Oregonians in 2013, a “grand bargain” was struck between Oregon’s state government and its local counties that had great significance for our criminal justice system. The state agreed to send money to the counties if they would agree to send fewer convicted felons to prison.”
Who is “the state”, “state government? Some Exec Branch Dept?
Imo because it involves the Budget, the Purse, it was a legislative act. who were the Legislators? And how did Counties agree? What County entity? He’s just set up a straw man. (I’m gonna re-name him “Where’s the Evidence Frink.”)
Reminds me on a microlevel of the Republican Centre Cty PA Commissioners who pushed the Republican President Judge to jawbone his fellow judges into a policy of lessor bail amounts to avoid jailing before trial (while contracting out those freed-up beds to neighbor counties to garner increased county general income), shorter sentences, fewer felony charges (pleading to misdemeanors, and more use of probation. Most CC Judges went along, but the DA didn’t and dished the scheme to the press.
Bottom line, where DAs zealously prosecute for felony charges, high bail, & stiff sentences, with thoughtful local juries, there’s nothing the “state government” or “counties” can do about sending more potential prisoners to live in the community. Frink the DA was in the drivers seat on this issue when still employed.
Staton of course releases as many as allowable because he likes balanced budgets, and he lacks enough personnel to run the jails anyway.
Just gonna bow to your acumen.
B
This is apparently the 2013 legislative compromise Frink referred to
which in part preserved Measure 11 (1994) mandatory minimum sentencing:
http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/05/measure_11_changes_dropped_fro.html
So my guess is behind his opinion letter lurks what he perceives as a new threat to Measure 11 (MMS)
arising within the new (Jan 2016) legislature.
The HC is now posting on Rod Underhills Facebook Why don’t you arrest DDS and TH, why don’t you get a warrant to search Kaines property or force him to allow private search’s, where is Kyron bla..bla..bla… I don’t know if he will respond to any of the posts or just delete them off his Facebook. Underhill is elected into office and most of the posters are in other states (not his voters).
Could be they will spam his page with their BS?
It would be interesting if he finally told these idiots that DDS has never been and is currently not even a suspect in Kyrons disappearance so the day she’s going to be charged or arrested is NEVER. Also that they can’t charge Terri with anything when they can’t even say what it is they think she did and the MFH charge is fubar. (@@@ed UP Beyond All Repair)
He is probably just going to point them to the Multnomah County statement about the case made this year.
http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/KH%20Missing%20PR(1).pdf
The group has also repeating many of the lies told to them by SG and DY so maybe something interesting will come of it. It depends on whether Underhill gives a fig about what a bunch of mis-informed HC posters think or not. Maybe he will call DY and tell her to keep these idiots on a tighter leash as far as lying to the public goes.
I see visitor posts from HC there, but none from KHWS directly- am i missing those?
B
this falls under Dept Public Safety – Moawad in charge for Exec,
and under the Legislative Committee on Public Safety, point man dad Barker.
Why doesn’t Frink just pick up the phone and talk to them?
Interesting the legislature passed this compromise legislation in 2013 just when Gov hired Heidi.
Maybe there was more than one 2013 legislative-executive Grand Bargain (snark)
on public safety.
So.. interestingly Rose, the Moawads are on Frinks FB
B
@Rose Happy Birthday
My dear Malty- I was being snarky because there is NO better poster on BOC that can dissect an issue that covers Govt agencies and bureaucracy and it’s nexus to a criminal matter than in a hot minute than Rose. I am likely not doing her raw talent justice with my prose, lol. Very kind of you.
B
Yes, a daily report meant (imo) Terri was looking for patterns.
Did the behavior happen during certain subjects (ie writing, math, singing, PE)
or on test days or
when he had to do an oral presentation
when Kaine was traveling or
when Kaine was in town
a day he was leaving for meford or
the day after he returned from medford
when he had a sinus infecrion (therefore heard more poorly)
etc etc etc
Right- it’s proper.
B
@cd. DY has been silent since Sept; maybe she put herself on a leash.
Coukd RU can’t ignore she said the FB site promoting his
harassment speaks on her behalf.
As far as Underhill’s FB, protected speech & all that.
Won’t escape him neither Soldier Green nor 98% her infantry vote
in Mult Cty. Maybe he’ll start to wonder about the
full-hearted males tho like Irish & Tuesing…I do.
@CD
I laughed. The Soldier telling LE to get off their butts and bring Kyron home. I didn’t think she knew we had a LE
In Oregon
You are right. Lots of these people live out of state. Including herself.
It is hard to believe this Longview vigilante Amusing she is so blind to her own faults
Thanks for posting
cd says:
December 14, 2015 at 2:33 pm
I see visitor posts from HC there, but none from KHWS directly- am i missing those?
B
I should have said the World Soldiers admin is encouraging/asking that posters on the World soldiers site post on Underhills site asking for Justice for Kyron. Some of them are suggesting Terri and dede be locked up.
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Kyron Horman’s World Soldiers shared a page.
2 hrs ·
THANK YOU TO ALL WHO HAVE DONE SO ALREADY heart emoticon
Please join me in asking Attorney Rod Underhill on his Facebook page, to give Kyron’s case the attention it needs and deserves. 5+ years is way to long for his family to be waiting for answers. Thank you!
Remember, Kyron NEEDS us ALL.
https://www.facebook.com/rodunderhillforda/?fref=ts
Kyron Horman’s World Soldiers shared a page.
6 hrs ·
Please join me in asking Attorney Rod Underhill on his Facebook page, to give Kyron’s case the attention it needs and deserves. 5+ years is way to long for his family to be waiting for answers. Thank you!
Remember, Kyron NEEDS us ALL.
https://www.facebook.com/rodunderhillforda/?fref=ts
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They have left quit a few comments as visitors.
I see Stacey Rivera-Green. Very interesting she does not post as KHWS.
I am probably going to regret saying this- but the posts that are respectful and that do not implicate TH or DDS- in my view, are a great use of FB for an elected official.
B
So why doesn’t she get on her rain coat Her signs and kids and stalk LE And boots She may need boots
I just posted Gov Brown ‘s Request for assistance Link over there
Why? I don’t know
LOL
Because you are Malty xo
B
all I find cd is his campaign FB set up for the election which he now uses maybe once a month.
I see Soldier has “liked” a post of his as far back as early Oct (not looking for her , google threw it up
on RU page). It seems Soldier has been at the “where is kyron thing” directed at him on his campaign page for awhile, but today she was joined in by a couple random HC folks. If this is an example of her battlefield
Kampaigns for Kyron, she needs to be mustered out with a dishonorable discharge imo.
“…the posts that are respectful and that do not implicate TH or DDS-
in my view, are a great use of FB for an elected official. “B
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/12/31/kyron-horman-missing-new-years-eve-settlement-ends-horman-marriage/#comments
here here. beats the bios pushing accountability for Kyron investigation failures publically.
beats the petition gambit
” Malty says:
December 14, 2015 at 6:08 pm
So why doesn’t she (**I infer S R-G**)
get on her rain coat Her signs and kids and stalk LE.
And boots. She may need boots.”
You could write for Jon Stewart.
OT
Dadgum. There is a clear genesis of US Atty Marshall’s downfall. Apparently she reassigned the wrong hardnosed prosecutor to her pet project.
This Federal office went from zero child sex trafficking prosecutions in 2006 to 10 the year after she took office.
http://www.pdxmonthly.com/articles/2012/10/11/amanda-marshall-cracks-down-on-child-prostitution-november-2012
“….one of her key moves involved the office’s longtime gang prosecutor, a salt-and-pepper-haired former Dole-Kemp campaign staffer named Scott Kerin. Kerin projects a nice-guy demeanor—exactly what you’d expect from a self-described moderate—that belies a hard-line prosecutorial mentality. In his prior career in Portland, he prosecuted cocaine-dealing gang members, prisoners who assaulted corrections officers, and other hardened cons. Marshall told Kerin his duties would now have a new dimension: he would lead the office’s three-person team focused on child sex trafficking. ”
“Now, Kerin’s phone might ring at 11:30 p.m. or 2 a.m., with a local cop from Tigard, Beaverton, or east Portland on the other end giving him the details of a new child sex trafficking case. Kerin then says goodbye to his sleepy wife and climbs into his car. ”
@cd, lol, love it, thanks!
@Blink
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/12/31/kyron-horman-missing-new-years-eve-settlement-ends-horman-marriage/comment-page-286/#comment-2249380
I see Stacey Rivera-Green. Very interesting she does not post as KHWS.
I am probably going to regret saying this- but the posts that are respectful and that do not implicate TH or DDS- in my view, are a great use of FB for an elected official.
B”
This is the best thread since the page members are chatting on it in their usual keep-it-classy style. The way it was posted ensures the furthest reach…those numbers should show up in his FB Insights, if someone’s watching those.
https://www.facebook.com/161645780592018/photos/o.190326447704753/917993711623884/
Hear is an example of one of the posts to Underhill from Kyron Horman guests this person is a regular on the WS site..
Lorey Sutherland Oliver to Rod Underhill for Multnomah County District Attorney
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“There are several individuals who have committed acts that hinder the investigation. I wonder why you would not move on one or more of those possible charges. It is very clear that the individuals doing this have inside knowledge of events surrounding that day or information about the main person of interest in this case. Would it not be beneficial to charge the individuals we can make a case against in order to illicit more information that could lead to a conclusive determination of what crimes were committed against the child Kyron Horman.”
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What is this person talking about. I have never heard of these people the poster wants arrested and charged? People who know to much about the case and have hindered the investigation?
Have we heard of anyone who has hindered the investigation maybe they think Kaine has hindered the investigation because he won’t let them search his property. Are there people deliberately hindering the investigation that LE or/and this person know about.
https://www.facebook.com/rodunderhillforda/
I think you are trying to make logic out of lemonade. I attempt same frequently.
I cant interpret incoherent- which is absolutely how same will be received.
B
cd says:
December 14, 2015 at 5:56 pm
-snip
I am probably going to regret saying this- but the posts that are respectful and that do not implicate TH or DDS- in my view, are a great use of FB for an elected official.
B
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I agree maybe it will make LE release more information in this case. If only to correct some of misinformation about the Kyron’s disappearance that is out there now.
I think it would help if there was correct information being distributed around the US instead of the untruths, rumors and gossip that has filled the information void around this case
https://www.facebook.com/rodunderhillforda/
I suugestthis is a quasi-defunct FB site that only gets RU’s attention once every 3 yrs at election time (2012 & 15). It takes something like an Umpqua CC shooting to get him on this social media. S G-R would do better to go biking or running on his route to the extent she stalks him too.
That LSO ladies has been around Talking in code or something a long time She never seems to want to come out and say what she thinks she knows
I do not know who that is Malty.
b
I don’t see any real harm in getting Kyron Horman’s name out to the DA or Gov if only to make them know people care when a child goes missing in Oregon 5+ yrs no word from the investigation
Seems reasonable to ask for attention to this case from them
To bad these people are not living inside this state
If it was family requesting A review of the investigation it might carry more weight IMO
If the family requested a review of the investigation from any number of resources directly they would get one. The bigger question for me is why haven’t they- 5 1/2 yrs isn’t a reasonable time to make that request?
B
I see they are also posting to Ellen Rosenblum Attorney general however I see some missing posters
Again
No family or parents of Kyron
Here is another snip from a Rod Underhill post by Stacey Morris. I am showing this snippet because it is another reference to people whom LE should arrest who have supposedly aided Terri in escaping the justice SG believes is due to her.
-snip
We have sent you countless pieces of evidence to help you along the way. Screenshots of people we KNOW have helped Terri Horman cover up what she has done to Kyron Horman. We know that you have most of what you need to at the very least, bring some of these people in for questioning.
Question :Who is the WE mentioned above?
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What on earth is she talking about here?
Did LE encourage her to do this? (whatever this is)
LOL Maybe she’s a double agent (reporting on her own posters?)
IMO MCSO probably knows she is a nut case if she has been sending screen them shots of posts all this time. if that is what she is talking about here and not something else. I can’t think of any other kinds of screen shots she would be able to send to LE.
https://www.facebook.com/rodunderhillforda/
I have no earthly idea. Isn’t that the one with the 2 kids doing life for murder? See- herein lies the problem. You can’t send crazy people to do a reasonable persons task.
B
The only thing they have succeeded in doing because of the tone
I fixed it but will post both for context, thanks CD. your comment is awaiting moderation.
December 15, 2015 at 1:43 pm
Blink if you want you can delete the post and I can correct it and repost
the post
-snip
We have sent you countless pieces of evidence to help you along the way. Screenshots of people we KNOW have helped Terri Horman cover up what she has done to Kyron Horman. We know that you have most of what you need to at the very least, bring some of these people in for questioning.
WAS NOT from World Soldier Admin it IS from
Stacey Morris to Rod Underhill for Multnomah County District Attorney
I saw Stacey and thought it its Green not Morris.
I still think it is pretty weird.
@cd. evidence originating with stacey morris, righthand Soldier of Desiree, is by its ery definition tainted & could never be used unless prosecutor could proved he obtained it independently, and imo prior to her numerous (she alleges) generous acts of sharing.
how could bio mother EVER associate herself hand-in-glove with these dummys.
what this Kampaign over the years has done is tell us and the
the DA that zero of Desiree Tony & associates mcso interview content is credible, dating way back to 6/4/10.
and was likely untruthful & misleading on Desiree’s part.
Blink
Thank you
B
OT. from pdxmonthly quote & url above re Scott Kerin, the nemesis & career-ender for US Atty Marshall who put him on the new child sex trafficking detail.
” former Dole-Kemp campaign staffer named Scott Kerin”
How does this guy rate “moderate?”
Kemp was an integral part of the local Md church of Quale & Fellowship Foundation
honchos who try to run Washington. All Kerin probably had to do at the DOJ was pick
up the phone & call whatever stringpuller originally got him
his job. Obama maybe replaced the political top in
Exec Depts, but these church & belief linked social circles have tenacles thruout middle tiers
like at Defense & State and probably DOJ too. Just my opinion; I dumped the then Quale/Kemp’s church a couple
decades ago. The wives deserved each other.
I don’t really understand how FB works that well, but why is there a picture of Kyron Horman in Rod Underhill’s FB Photos, yet it seems to be a photo put there by KHWS? How is that possible? Can people add/insert photos to your own photos? It says “Kyron Horman” “Still waiting for justice” and then a bunch of comments underneath, the first of which is indeed a post by KHWS. Or is this not really a Rod Underhill FB page, but something they made up. Makes no sense to me.
Unless, he gave them permission to put the photos there. Hmmmm, weird.
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