Kyron Horman Missing: New Years Eve Settlement Ends Horman Marriage
Portland, OR- In a surprise court hearing, Judge Henry Kantor signed off on the agreement between Kaine Horman and Terri Moulton Horman to end their marriage this afternoon.
Details of the agreement have not been released publicly, but according to KGW, a financial settlement to include child support and a lump payment to Terri Horman has been reached.
In what can only be described as a bitter family court feud- the divorce matter was last in court on December 16th to decide if the Horman landscaper, Rodolfo Sanchez Estrada -who alleges Terri Horman tried to hire him to murder Kaine Horman at a lunch meeting – would testify.
Judge Kantor has not yet filed an order from that hearing but Attorneys for Terri Horman were granted a continuance from the pending temporary custody motion scheduled for December 19th and 20th.
BOC Associate Editor Tarin Kenley contributed to this report.
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Nelmel says:
December 18, 2015 at 1:52 am
Kyron gets hurt outside helping man. Bad hurt. As in “slips under vehicle that moves slightly to roll over boy” hurt. Any number of serious injuries can be used in this scenario. The guy backs up his car/truck and doesn’t see little Kyron standing too close and getting knocked down. Etc., etc.
Man panics, sees his future destroyed due to accidental death or permanent disability of someone else’s child, and takes Kyron off school property in his vehicle. Tragic stupid awful judgement.
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I am not at all psychic and I don’t believe in psychic’s or any of the psychic stuff ghosts, people talking to dead people etc…. but
I had a dream of exactly what you describe above. It was from the perspective of Kyron. I was hiding behind a car bent down because I ran from someone and was hiding waiting for TH to return and save me. Then that car where I was hiding started to back out, that woke me up from a sound sleep.
Maybe we both saw this scenario in a move or TV show. I almost posted this theory myself because of the dream. In real life I could see a child that age hiding thinking his mom would eventually come back if he was afraid of someone. Then the person who accidentally harmed him covering it up especially if alcohol or drugs was involved.
I feel like I started a discussion from a prosecutorial framework perspective so just to weigh in- I do believe Kyron was abducted and a victim of crime- to my knowledge however, the only evidence of that are SZ witness accounts.
B
@TKG yes I have noticed BG and her similar tactics and know the situation of her fight to keep that guy locked up
Never thought of her as a leader But a companion in miseries Not that is is bad as DY needs comfort so does BG
I suspect a strong male has a hand in running this deal But that is just my humble opinion Men are not as upset at vigilante voilent remarks as women.
But on the other hand I got curious about that poster that wants to waterboard Terri Expecting to find a tough
Mean person What I found was a sweet looking middle age woman surrounded by kids From the mid west
So who knows
I went to Ryan Davidson’s Face book page and enjoyed seeing his family and if you scroll down there are lots of pics of Quinn and DY in better days Quinn is very good looking and next to DY and Ryan looks like family for sure
A nice page
Blink your remark about the only real evidence is against SZ keeps playing in my head
And yet will any thing ever come to light I wonder?…
I truly thought after Kaine openly admitted their is a SZ last June it might be the start of some sort of acknowledgement by MCSO. Now you have the hater crater openly condemning the boss of the ADA who showed up at DY public condemnation of TH and DDS which prompted a flurry of what I will call “legal conversations” to include represented parties, The DA’s office and MCSO personnel. Can we say cross purposes?
B
I have often wondered if some accident happen to that sweet little boy and is being covered up by the school
Then let it go As I hate to go there
Malty…
R.U. being inundated by soldiers? Poetic justice. Never saw that coming in the courthouse repartees with Kantor.
This is very sad and a long read and O/T but For BG it is her story
http://www.pamplinmedia.com/lor/48-news/219126-79603-beth-greears-letter-to-the-oregon-board-of-parole
This is the rest of the rest of the story of BG. And her family
http://www.kptv.com/story/26430996/conrad-engweiler-granted-parole-oregon-man-murdered-classmate-in-1990
There are two cases One a murder happened Confessed, a family upset with the time served
Second case no one knows what happened to a missing child , family upset 51/2 yrs no answers
Both have involved feelings of hate but they are completely different situations
If Kyron was accidentally run over there would surely be blood evidence present.
In my view if Kyron was injured outside the school with over 400 or so people in and out of the school it would have been witnessed by multiple individuals and yes, of course there would be residual evidence. I am pretty confident that the amount of SAR and canine teams dispatched to the crime scene/SAR post netted that Kyron left the school.
B
http://www.oregonlive.com/north-of-26/index.ssf/2012/03/family_of_1990_murder_victim_k.html
My impression of TKG & Malty’s articles was he was likely a substance abuser (article above confirms that), will take advantage of marijuana laws, & probably graduate to meth ere long. He has body image issues-he may look like much of Portland, but his “look” has not evoled or matured since high school. And he has sparse language & probably sparse thought…ie, asked his plans, he replies “doing good.” The parole board should have considered him very high risk, I would like to know what formal testing that psychiatrist commissioned & if it included projective. This result argues society is better protected by a risk opinion coming from a panel of 3 composed of psychiatrists and to include a PhD psychologist who is responsive for complete neuropsych testing.
@Malty. in my opinion this Beth Admin of MK FB fomiting hate to Terri alleging she is gulity of whatever is crazy as hell since there is no evidence Terri was anything but way better at parenting than Young, and there is evidence an unknown male abducted him.
This is the crux of my issue with her condemning TH and supporting same of DDS- If she has lost her faith in the criminal system- why perpetuate lack of progress re a known suspect?
B
I get it now. There’s the puzzle. If a bio mom, and her friend:coach Beth (allegedly per TKG),
have zero faith in the CJ system, why is Desiree not publically crusading against the investigation per se’s
status quo with mcso/da? Why is she not pursuing hammer & tongs the man who took Kyron outside?
The question of the year in this case Rose.
B
I am of the opinion that the only variable,
if DY herself is not involved,
is some sort of deference
to Tony and his brothers in blue.
I cant exclude the possibility that a Dr. appt is made 6/3, for a long observed behavior issue in a child and he goes missing the next day. I also can’t exclude wtf KH denied there was an appt when he knew there was. It remains a factor in my thinking.
B
If SAR used scent dogs June 4-6, I bet the scent terminated at a parking lot space, and that whole whose cars were where and what cars were near you thing was an attempt to identify the description of a vehicle in that space. If mcso concluded it was more likely than not a white truck was in that space, then imo mcso doubledowned on Terri as perp before Mathews’ story was known. But if SZ used a white truck, imo that suggests kyron was targeted, and there was a crude attempt to mislead.
well since the Soldiers HC have targeted the DA, if there are cross purposes, you know whose
side the Soldiers support — mcso. So, it is pissible this is a planned proactive campaign because someone knew mcso was in the criticism seat and someone wanted to wrest “informal power” from the DA wrt case eval or even other political matters in the County. (imo Desiree has had many users-exploiters.)
@Blink. Did Desiree know any times of adult stability (family home etc) before marriage to Tony about age 40?
If not, that’s a strong reason to hang on to that home.
So what would be Tony’s skin in the game of Protecting MCSO Deputies.
Is one of them in his Gun Range group activities?
I am not sure I understand your question on DY Rose?
Blue line is blue line and he supports their theory.
B
Since we run into BG on these sites and her posts seem hateful some times I just thought anyone who doesn’t know this story maybe should. It helps me to scroll on by In one place she say she isn’t all together and feels the need to check up on this guy to see what he is doing and so on She wants to help others
IMO she needs the help and to get away from crime for awhile 1990 to 2014 is a lot of yrs to have this murder on the mind She writes she has changed. I believe anyone would. ( this comes from another place I read ) and this guy is out there. More stress
I do not think she is a leader And I feel to not read her posts Is better for me
As far as Conrad W is concerned I hope they got right to turn him free Time will tell But I feel uneasy about him
@Rose I agree she doesn’t need to to get into the Terri did it She needs to find help to heal and move on
I am tired I got his name wrong Conrad E. And I hope they got it right when they set him free
As a SO and on probation for life. It will not be easy for him to make it. Out there
Now back on topic last night I went to Utube and watched a video one was TY and DY on Dateline
It was old but It was the most I ever saw TY say and he talked about
Terri and her reactions to his advice When asked if he thought if Terri did it He said he had no doubt
Where I found that video link
was on Poppa’s site I think these 2 men may have a say about many things
cd says:
December 18, 2015 at 10:20 pm
I feel like I started a discussion from a prosecutorial framework perspective so just to weigh in- I do believe Kyron was abducted and a victim of crime- to my knowledge however, the only evidence of that are SZ witness accounts.
B
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I agree that
This is my last post before a nap. It drives me crazy how DeDe is talked about There are no witnesses to her being anywhere near Kyron that day. Are there. Blink?
1. There are no witnesses DDS was anywhere other than the farm she was working, there are several witnesses she was there, her phone was in her truck and off, that it never moved from its parked position, visible from the main house.
2. There is a witness who saw DDS as they entered the property and left, during the time the phone was off. I will call him red truck artisan dude.
3. Norm Frink told DDS to her face, in the presence of her lawyer and investigators that they knew absolutely she was not involved in any way, but thought TH was and that TH shared that info with her. This is critically important because it is evidence not even the DA nor MCSO EVER believed DDS was involved, but that TH told her something DURING the time she stayed with TH at the Horman home. Does that resonate correctly with everyone? Next day you had the Kaine/DY press conf and letter.. drafted by?? DDS told Frink she could not tell them something she did not know and was not going to lie for them. Frink told her he didn’t care if he was right or not, but he was going to make sure Kyron’s parents believed him.
4. I have been privy to communications that would show with certainty that DDS was cleared of any involvement of, or knowledge of KY whereabouts or anyone responsible. Rees response when asked to clear her publicly was that she WAS NEVER a suspect and I have seen communication of same to the representatives of the parties in this matter.
B
@Malty. “…the most I ever saw TY say and he talked about
Terri and her reactions to his advice…”
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/12/31/kyron-horman-missing-new-years-eve-settlement-ends-horman-marriage/#comments
I am sorry for my opnion about a small town police dept well-intended employee, but if that
uneducated rural redneck boy (imo) ever came into my house dishing family advice,
he’d be shoehorned out the door and to his favorite local bar, fishing hole, or target range as fast as I coukd
politely say I had to run out for a prior appointment, sorry. If he tried it a second tome, maybe I’d be frank
that I wasn’t interested in his advice.
I did not take it as mean spirited Rose-
B
“I cant exclude the possibility that a Dr. appt is made 6/3, for a long observed behavior issue in a child and he goes missing the next day. I also can’t exclude wtf KH denied there was an appt when he knew there was. It remains a factor in my thinking.
B” http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/12/31/kyron-horman-missing-new-years-eve-settlement-ends-horman-marriage/comment-page-288/#comment-2249507
Context also is a brother ** pending sentencing **
for pdophile transgression.
Yes Rose, it is, empirically and potentially symptomatically. At the very least I am confident it is proper to exclude inappropriate behavior in the environment of a child when assessing any possible malady of any origin in a 7 year old.
B
I feel so bad for DY. She really can not go against the establishment because her husband is the establishment. If she focuses on KH he more than likely has some type of information about her that he can throw in her face. She may have had difficulty rationalizing going after the school since they would show she was an absent parent as far as Kyron’s education there.
That left TH. She was the least likely to hurt her. This could have been a completely subconscious rationale. I have no doubt the loss of her second son has deeply scarred her. I so hope she is getting sound advise right now and that would account for any silence she may be showing.
1. agreed. However, I Have seen interviews where she has been openly critical of MCSO and their are a variety of escalation options she could and should be utilizing she is not- all would be private.
2. agreed.
3. agreed.
4. agreed as to hope, but considering she is behind the FB crazies in every way- doubtful.
B
When a reasonable person looks at whether Terri should respect any “advice” from Det. Young,
what is he to her (from her point of view) other than the recent 3rd husband of her difficult husband’s crazy ex?
For Tony to think he should be more than that to her–and tell the public so– is arrogant, intrusive, & narcissistic.
I am not positive, but I believe it was their first meeting. I don’t even think they were married a year in June 2010. I don’t blame Tony’s suspicion albeit fueled my common peers.
B
I don’t mean to be meanspirited, tho I’m tired enough now to be,
but this whole Tony pontificating to and publically trashing Terri
is too much. I fear Desiree has to placate him as much as Kaine
required from his women, and that has adversely affected her advocacy with mcso/da.
@Rose. You are making me laugh. I always heard being a cops wife was a hard role. Maybe it is I noticed
DY has a way of looking at her men Dad Tony and sons and even Kaine as tho they are very special I wish I had that charming way About me
But I am like you no one comes in my house and tells me what is what He was a stepfather. Same level as her
In her house So it was out of line to play up his knowledge unless he was asked. He was a guest
But in that video when he said he had no doubt Terri did it I think he should have said no comment or he couldn’t
Discuss it Or nothing
Maybe his social skills need work
Ode says:
December 19, 2015 at 9:56 am
If Kyron was accidentally run over there would surely be blood evidence present.
In my view if Kyron was injured outside the school with over 400 or so people in and out of the school it would have been witnessed by multiple individuals and yes, of course there would be residual evidence. I am pretty confident that the amount of SAR and canine teams dispatched to the crime scene/SAR post netted that Kyron left the school.
B
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I have written – but never posted – several posts about Asperger’s. I didn’t post them because I wasn’t sure they were relevant. I’m still not. I am very familiar with Asperger’s in children and adults, both personally and professionally. Of course, no one can evaluate Kyron now, although I suppose a very knowledgeable person could, if given complete access (highly unlikely) to family history, daily life including school, behaviors etc. etc. since birth, develop a sort of risk assessment for various possible issues he may have had.
When I think of what I’ve heard about Kyron, it reminds me most of my grandson and how his mother and I still have concerns every day about his lack of danger awareness, although it’s improving. From birth, he never paid close or repeated attention to any faces or expressions (poor eyesight might have the same effect as other causes). He frequently remembered names but not connected to their owners. He was considered a “bolter” in preschool and continued for years to be attracted to things he was interested in and quite confident he should be able to pursue those interests with or without supervision. (He “recognized” the kids in preschool by the color of their shoes.) He’s better now, not because he has changed his beliefs, but because he has had years of play therapy, social skills training, strict supervision, communication among all the adults in his life, and remarkable parenting – and to his credit, he really wants to know “the rules of life” and what’s appropriate and what isn’t. He’s very bright, and funny. Still, even at age 10, if you met him somewhere and found the right suggestion (Legos, robots, Minecraft, etc.), you could pretty easily direct him wherever you wanted him to go.
I realize this is generally true of many young children, but it’s also a matter of degree, whether they make regular progress, how obvious it is to an observer, and how difficult it is to help them to be safe. Kids have to learn not to wander off, but with some it takes more teaching and practice than with others. One would not expect kids Kyron’s age in a regular classroom to be wandering off outside the school, or disappearing to the bathroom without stopping to ask. (I think that sometimes changes back again in high school.
)
IMO, the “help me carry something in” was not particularly for Kyron’s benefit – he probably would have gone for any number of reasons/interests. I think that was for the teacher’s benefit – it is a simple request, something we ask kids to do every day – particularly in school, sports, and other organized activities – and it implies you will be right back.
I sincerely appreciate you sharing that about your grandson MBS. I have to believe with the interaction between TH and Porter, the fact that TH is trained to monitor/manage elementary level child behavior and one of her best friends was a special ed teacher working with children diagnosed with a variety of spectral disorders there was certainly enough present to begin the evaluation process. It is my understanding the age of 7 is fairly late for that- is that yours?
B
Considering some of the things/behaviors Kyron may have witnessed in his home, isn’t it entirely possible that he was “acting out”?
I don’t suppose either parent would think that “they/their own behavior” would have anything to do with his spacey actions?
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@Rose says: December 19, 2015 at 6:37 pm
“I cant exclude the possibility that a Dr. appt is made 6/3, for a long observed behavior issue in a child and he goes missing the next day. I also can’t exclude wtf KH denied there was an appt when he knew there was. It remains a factor in my thinking.
B” http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/12/31/kyron-horman-missing-new-years-eve-settlement-ends-horman-marriage/comment-page-288/#comment-2249507
Context also is a brother ** pending sentencing **
for pdophile transgression.
Yes Rose, it is, empirically and potentially symptomatically. At the very least I am confident it is proper to exclude inappropriate behavior in the environment of a child when assessing any possible malady of any origin in a 7 year old.
B
Medford is getting a new police chief
The first of the year The other one is retiring when he asked the guys to suggest some one among them to replace him none of the suggestions were Tony I get this info reading the Medford police Facebook page
Which is interesting
I thought some one posted that DY and Tony had been married 8 months when Kyron went missing
So he could not have known Terri very well.
I hope the former Medford chief did not get there by personnel popularity polls. I thought a City Council or Mayor commissioned a search & invited the top 3 to interview. locals could apply. If a retiring Chief picks his successor automatically from within without a search, like B Skipper did, that’s a recipe for inbred trouble and internal politics and the Union hamstringing the picked one when in office.
@Rose
I don’t understand but the new chief is interim chief Randy Sparacino
The announcement was made by City Manager Pro Tem John W Hoke
Does that mean he has the job for sure
Anyway he was the most picked by the guys
Now they have his job open
They also had a application for the Chief job. Full time 115,914 annually medical dental vision and life insurance
Besides the in house suggestion I think they have to do both but the in house always got the job where I worked
That Medford police site is kind of Homey we are all friends here
Sort of site I think you would enjoy it
My interest in Medford police has to do with I think SZ could have come from there And Tony and yrs ago I lived there one yr So I can relate
Not mbs (and what impressive achievements by mbs’ grandson’s family), but here is a typical County Public Schools “Child Find” description (not my County). Referrals to a Child Find may come from various types of medical professionals, social workers, gov’t employees, nursery school staff, etc requesting screening. I felt Kyron’s ped was subpar for several reasons in terms of his medical advice to Terri, publically disclosed, for both children. Perhaps Desiree first chose this pediatrician, & the Hormans just stayed there. With his vision issue, imo Kyron deserved more.
“Early Childhood Identification and Services
……serves children ages 2 (by September 30th) to 5 who have been identified as having significant developmental delays in one or more of the following areas: speech, language, fine and/or gross motor, social/emotional, vision and hearing. Children who may be in need of special education or related services are referred to Child Find for information, developmental screenings and possible referral for additional comprehensive evaluations to determine eligibility for services.”
Did the HC get Underhill’s FB page shut down?
Hilarious.
Nah, he pulled it.
B
TY Malty. re Interim.
Some interesting cryptic comments about “the last crew” and about some officers who will be under him & require discipline with discretion. an outright comment on officer-involved meth trade.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=440992702774648&substory_index=0&id=137789306428324&refid=17&_ft_=top_level_post_id.440992702774648%3Atl_objid.440992702774648&__tn__=%2As
besides Kristian’s arrest, Tony’s entering
K’s life was recent context too.
I don’t see the Soldier’s. 2016 bring Kyron home. Write letters to Unerhill Staton and Nancy Grace
It must be over??? Or just gone until after Christmas. ?
Underhill pulled his site LOL. Really ?
04.12.14
High-tech crimes task force founder charged
snips>
The former Central Point police lieutenant who founded and headed the Southern Oregon High-Tech Crimes Task Force faces official misconduct and computer-crime charges alleging he knowingly altered or damaged a police computer or software in 2012.
Moulin said he was placed on leave while Central Point police conducted an internal investigation into the management of the unit. He resigned from the department two months later after accepting a cyber-security job with a federal defense contractor in a Nevada city he declined to identify.
Other agencies heard about the work the department was doing and asked for assistance and training. For the next two years, Moulin worked with the other agencies by himself.
In 2007, Medford police assigned a detective to the task force full time while adding more equipment and resources. A year later, the then-small division was providing services to 53 law enforcement agencies around the state. Eventually the task force was contacted by the FBI.
http://www.mailtribune.com/article/20140412/News/404120308
apologies erose – I missed this, a bit behind everyone, catching up now, please remember to refresh comment setting and check “older” as we had quite a few important ones.
B
11.08.13
Medford, Ore. — Twin brothers Don and Jason Libby, owners of Jackson County Security, have both been cleared of separate false criminal charges stemming from different encounters with the Medford Police Department (MPD). MPD manufactured claims that the two bothers committed serious crimes, and they were eventually arrested and charged.
Jason Libby’s case was dismissed on June 27, just before trial. Don Libby was found innocent of all charges on Sept. 3 (also the date of his wedding anniversary) following a three-day trial.
MPD’s “threats and harassment” against the Libby brothers dates back “over 13 years” according to Don Libby. He said: “We have been wrongfully arrested five times and never convicted.”
http://personalliberty.com/faced-with-more-police-abuse-twin-brothers-vindicated-again/
There is clearly a history there- I wonder if Medford allows moonlighting for private security. In a case I worked on a few years ago it literally ended up where 7 officers were suspended and the dept regs changed because officers were on duty, but running their security checks. Major double dip.
B
I think that those 100,000 HC Kyron supporters the Soldeir brags about Are not even Oregonians or Mult Co residents
I think we have more local people here at BOC readers and posters that live in Oregon
I don’t get all Polical until election time Oregon and Presidental. So I am thinking voters right now
Why should the Mult Co DA want people all over the US telling him what he should do Run by a woman from
Longview Wa With old media links for proof And rumors
Are there any , even relatives to Kyron living in Mult Co besides Kaine Horman ? Blink ? Anyone?
Not to my knowledge Malty.
B
wonder why Desiree was so mad at Underhill that she kicked off a harassment campaign?
Perhaps she contacted him for info nearing the holidays, & he
had nothing new in reply. It is interesting she works thru surrogates.
That is just what she and Kaine accuse Terri of–working thru a surrogate, DDS and/or SZ.
But, Desiree is the only one with evidence of that kind of behavior.
wonder why Underhill pulled his facebook rather than issue a brief written statement updating the investigation and thanking the public for their concern. Not very political of him; he must be feeling insecure in office.
This question to Kaine was succinct (about 3 min mark) and it may mean nothing, but given his acknowledgement he went to the gym, returned home, then left again, as a trained interviewer/interrogator I find his response deceptive.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/day_of_kyron_hormans_disappear.html
As God is my witness I remain convinced he was at the gym that morning because of the roids arrest the day prior. I cannot say it is relevant as to what happened to Kyron, but it is part of this scenario.
B