Casey/Caylee Anthony Case: Tattoo and Duct Tape Photos Released
Orlando, FL– The State Attorney’s Office Has released additional discovery this morning including photos of Casey Anthony’s tattoo and the duct tape found across the mouth of 34 month old Caylee Anthony’s skull.
First Set Of Docs Here
blinkoncrime.com will be posting the images and discovery as soon as it becomes available. More Images Here.
Shovel and Duct Tape Here
Party Pics Here
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Regarding the aforementioned link:
Page 37, is this a piece of the tape that covered Caylee’s mouth, or is it a different piece?
Pages 29 and 30: larger than an inch?
Page 31: Heart shape about the size of a man’s fingernail to the right of center?
Page 28: What is this? And isn’t the center a heart shape?
Comment: all of these photos kill me. Especially the one depicting Winnie. Heart shapes and Winnie the Pooh comforters — what was Casey thinking?
Sorry if some of this has been addressed previously. I’m usually a day late and a dime short, so could never be as sleuthsy as you, Suz.
Fondly.
“Duct tape was lying on the front of the skull, over the mouth area. The exterior non-sticky side of the duct tape at the front of the skull appeared to have worn away.” (3415)
suz
Heart Sticker/Stickers
You know what? It was the initial MEDIA REPORTS in December 2008 that said “A” heart shaped sticker was found at the scene, inferring “one”.
And the idea of “one” sticker has been stuck ever since.
However, from this latest document release, we are learning there was “more than one” heart sticker recovered.
I could never understand how that pink raised vinyl heart could adhere itself to the cardboard once it released off the duct tape. Those “puffed” vinyl stickers don’t have the adhesive stamina that say a flat foil or coated sticker would have. Very possible this vinyl heart was not originally affixed on duct tape, but rather it is an adornment that was a glued part of a decorative matt card. But then again, the heat of the environment could have kept the adhesive on the vinyl heart “sticky” (maybe).
There are pics of a different “flat” heart sticker that has a ruffled, scalloped border-edge to it. That would leave a very distinctive transfer image. And the size could fit within the area of the duct tape. Because of its fairly pristine condition in these particular pics, these could be the ones collected from the residence.
Official LE pics of other hearts recovered from the Suburban Drive crime scene (other than the one on cardboard) have not been released, but that does not mean they do not exist. Also none of the testing results have been released on “any” heart shaped sticker.
Regarding the prints on the shovel, none? I cant imagine that with manufacturing, shipping, stocking, yada yada, that there wouldn’t be any finger prints. Or is it NO fingerprints of Casey’s?
FYI- acne on back, lack of vit D. a little sun exposure would clear it up.
I haven’t read all the posts yet– quick comment, I don’t see the logo, but not saying it’s not there. But, suz, the ‘detail’ photo is not the type of technique that is used to reveal a printed (non-raised, non-embossed) design, in fact, all the textures, crumples will tend to obscure the writing or logos in all those confusing shadows. It creates a very uneven lighting of the surface because it’s not the writing or photograph on the surface, but it’s the deformations on the surface that are important to enhance.
It’s a very simple lighting technique that isn’t just used for taking a photo, it’s used to examine the surface characteristics. Lighting this way can bring out details in a faint embossing that wouldn’t be noticed if the surface were illuminated overall, like in a brightly lit room where all the tiny shadows would be filled in by the light. If there were something stuck on the surface, any edges or texture of that would be enhanced as well.
wpgmouse, this is why a detail using this technique isn’t just taken for a general record– there is a reason that specific area detail was photographed with this specific lighting. If it were a general description detail of the tape and it’s condition, it would use the same lighting as all other general documentation photos.
There will be something on the surface that creates some shadowing, an edge shape, a whole shape ‘embossed’ or a layer of something on the surface. It’s really hard to think of getting a fine detail of say a sticker residue on such a crumpled piece of tape because of the interfering shadows. But in the original photograph print, I’d expect that there would be very good detail in the set of photos lit this way– there will be ways of exposing the photo so that details in the shadows can also be seen, if necessary.
Have we yet seen results from the swabs of the bottom of the gas cans? (In case they came in contact with a dead body in the trunk when Geo got them back from Casey on June 24)
suz, just found an example for you! scroll your mouse over the regular photo that shows the painting’s image, then it will turn into a black and white photo designed to show what else is going on…
http://www.hawkinsonphotography.com/raking.html
(suz, thanks for the added 104 info– Blink too, re: the report– I’m not saying what that image ‘could be’– it’s too difficult from the copies of copies of copies of photos we get in the pdf. But, if there was one heart shaped residue, there could be another– in those conditions, maybe it’s not so much of a coincidence that a sticker was recovered, maybe there were more. But– there is definitely ‘something’, a record that shows something of what they are trying to record in a photograph– no question in my mind that we will hear more. I think that investigators would be VERY CAREFUL to release another ‘heart sticker’ bit of info prematurely.)
About those little pin holes– I think Blink speculated that they might have been from a way to hold the tape during some of the processes. If that’s so, it’s clearly a necessary ‘loss’ or alteration to the evidence– there has to be some way to hold the tape that doesn’t do more damage to trace evidence– holding it in your fingers to clamp it, or putting Bull Clips on the edges, no matter how much padding, isn’t quite going to do it. So what Blink suggests makes sense– the ‘damage’ is clear, it’s minimal, even if there is a latent. The pin holes don’t seem to be in any set pattern, but remembering this tape was probably not in it’s nice flat shape at the beginning of the process to separate it from the other pieces, that makes sense.
Don’t know the answer to the pin holes– but suspect Blink might just be on track. I haven’t read through all of that ‘grand’ set of pages– can’t even get the whole thing dl’d without my computer raising issues of wanting a pay raise!
Yes, it gets tacked to a foam board for exam, a few different times if necessary for different processes.
B
and wpgmouse– good work on the cardboard– I noticed that several items gathered from the crimescene, included ‘mat-boards’ etc. That would make sense for that Q100 sticker piece– ripping also might answer a question or two. I’d like to know how that sticker was stuck where it was– or if it was loose and re-attached itself to the ‘cardboard’.
Lots of types of ‘cardboards’– your corrogated variety– for strength in packaging. But for mat boards used in scrapbooking and art projects, there is not the corrogations (well, anything is possible in that varied collection of craft supplies for visual effects and designs). The surface pattern confuses a bit– but the worn edges– I think you could be right on them possibly being ‘torn’. We don’t know how thick that card is. It’s also possible that the edges could be (oh oh– ‘mouse’ chewed! ) (I’m not accusing any little Blink mousies to be sure!!!
If it’s not so thick, it could be torn by hand, if it’s regular picture matting boards, it also could be torn, but would have to be folded first to ‘break’ it, most likely.
thank you marcy
sometimes it’s easy to loose sight and pick up doubt. I have to remember your what you said as we all need to encourage eachother to remember the cause and the facts! that the state has that will bring justice to caylee.
Gavriella, you have probably already found this but just in case:
10031-10032 One small hair fragment (less than ¼” long) exhibiting Caucasian characteristics was recovered from the label adhering to the lower portion of the handle of the Q46 shovel. This hair is too limited to be of value for meaningful microscopic comparison purposes. This hair has been designated Q46.2 and submitted for mitochondrial DNA analysis.
No other hair and no fibers were observed on the Q46 shovel, the labels adhering to the handle of the Q46 shovel, or the label removed from the blade of the shovel, specimen Q46.1.
Teri, when we look at those photos of what ‘was’ the adhesive side of the tape, the adhesive is all but gone, that would take any friction ridges and any dna right along with it. Maybe there’s something still on one of the upper surfaces that is not Q62 thru Q64.
Casey got very lucky that there happened to be a hurricane bringing with it, lots of rain for the month of August, flooding happened where it did (whodathunkit!!) and the flooding stayed until the dry season returned and all the low areas evaporated away. That helped a lot in reducing evidence– but wouldn’t also, keeping the body in the trunk, enclosed heat, in those triple bags, have ensured that decomp would actually be helped along– has to be in those closed trunk conditions. Maybe another ‘luck out’ for Casey– or maybe part of her thinking as she waited to dump at the right time (out of necessity).
Hi barb
I think in my opinion that the death penalty is the best way for casey to pay for her crime against an innocent helpless little girl. Life without parole would be to good for her! she would adapt easily. I dont think not having a man in her life would affect her for very long evidenced by her behaviour with other female friends as we seen in all those party pics.
I think she would be like someone she knows said a cameleon oh yes it was Jesse I am sure. well any who she would just befriend the meanest of the meanest of women and become part of the club.
I think of caylee and what she went through and where how she possibly took her last breath. it makes me sad. I believe also that those pictures she took all the time of her and caylee were staged. I truly believe in my heart that she often told caylee she hated her and treated her badly also as evidenced by the guy that seen caylee open her own heavy door and by her jealousy of caylee. she couldnt compete and wouldnt compete for anyone’s love and attention. again remember she was jealous of the attention that jesse gave caylee. please tell me !!! how many other women that hook up with men that began to abuse their children wouldnt welcome a man that loved their kids or at least treat them good. her parents would spent the rest of their life putting 100.00 on her books to pacify her and ease their guilt for being screw up as parents.
I say the DP is the best way to go!!! not knowing when her number or time of execution would come up is the worst of the worst.
lets not forget but to look at ted bundy so brave and arrogant in court mocking the judicial system! when his time came to be executed! he needed to be carried to the execution room by a guard on each side. he was to weak with fear. He knew I repeat he knew he was about to meet the master and account for his evil deeds. He tried to the very end to manipulate for more time but the ultimate was his death.
chica
Was the shovel never used before CA borrowed it? I wonder if there are tests being done to determine what chemical or otherwise might cause that kind of corrosion/damage to the shovel – starting with whatever was availabe at the Anthony home.
Also, the A’s were in the process of landscaping. Is it possible that any seeds were somehow transported to the place where Caylee was found? Far, far fetched dream to find the same plantings at their home tied to the remains site.
wpgmouse, wait wait wait—-I am only seeing one heart shaped sticker or whatever it is (the puffy, vinyl one from the cardboard). Where are you seeing references to additional heart shaped stickers other than our friend Q100.1 that came off of cardboard Q100?
I do recall (and could probably find) a pic of a very different looking flat and shiny heart sticker taken from the Ant’s house (there was one on a colored envelope, and I think a sheet of ‘em, but I might have imagined the sheet)—I think that had ruffly edges.
But other stickers from the scene? Lead me to ‘em!
kleat—#257 is mighty cool! thanks
Hopefully you are right,and my theory that they were just taking a photo of the logo and got a really horribly lit shot, but good enough (being gov’t workers, after all) is unfounded.
Hi, Gavriella,
Q. Page 37, is this a piece of the tape that covered Caylee’s mouth, or is it a different piece?
A. This piece of duct tape was not found with the body, so who knows what it was used for, but it is that same kind of Henkel duct tape as the pieces attached to the skull hair.
Q. Pages 29 and 30: larger than an inch?
A. That puffy vinyl heart is ¾” inch (so less than an inch); in 29 you are seeing centimeters on top, and inches on the bottom of the ruler.
Q. Page 31: Heart shape about the size of a man’s fingernail to the right of center?
A. That is a picture of the back of the piece of cardboard or picture frame that the vinyl heart was stuck to.
Q. Page 28: What is this? And isn’t the center a heart shape?
A. Well, the center is a heart shape, but this item is a hair clip.
Kleat – #263:
Thanks for your response.
Yes – I would expect the degradation of the tape had much to do with the lack of prints/evidence.
The whole thing still baffles me, though. Not because your answer doesn’t make sense…because it does…it makes perfect sense.
I would just think that with the quick/rageful event this must have been – there would be some obvious/pointed evidence SOMEWHERE – either at the house, in the trunk or at the spot little Caylee laid for so long.
But it seems that the collection of evidence is just so very small. I mean, really – NOTHING of substantial, OBVIOUS value has been presented that points to Casey as the murderer.
Of course, I mean from a forensics standpoint, by the way. From a circumstantial viewpoint – Casey’s behavior SCREAMS “guilty.”
So – if nothing else surfaces in the way of hard evidence – then I’ll hang my hat on the fact that Casey’s behavior will put her away for the rest of her time on this earth.
But – as I’ve already said so many times…I’m STILL baffled by the LACK of physical evidence. It’s kinda mind-boggling…ya know?
Blink, your comment #176 sent chills down my spine. The thoughts that came to my mind of all the possible planning Casey did and all the other thoughts that have taken my mind to places i never wanted to know. Its just so tragic, all of it!! Had to take a break for a minute after that. Have been trying my hardest to stay away from this case but the beautiful image of Caylee’s smile keeps bringing me back. I see my own child’s smile and feel so blessed, so honored that this gorgeous little creature was entrusted to me….I feel so sad Caylee never got to know a true mothers love and protection. Justice will be served for that little angel regardless of what happens to Casey on this earth! She will NEVER escape what she has done!! Even though so many people want to see her suffer by the DP or LWOP, i have faith that she is and will continue to suffer forever!
Also, as far as NO prints on the shovel….Very strange no?? Why would her prints not be on it?? Would like to hear the set of lies she would come up with as to why she wiped/rinsed shovel off…
Hi Kleat…kinda OT but we talked about this sometime back did you (or anyone else) ever hear more about Frank McKeever and that shady crew?? I never found anything further…Seems kinda unimportant now but i still have a strange feelin bout that crew….(vicky, a., stephanie k. (no interview released for either??), Pat, Mike Walker, etc) still can’t understand why Steph K was one of the only friends to try to visit Casey in jail…
She wasn’t, there were a few.
B
susan #165, thank you for that info
Kleat:
I agree. Findings on the “heart sticker from the duct tape” have not been released for obvious reasons.
You’re impressive knowledge of photographic lighting is why I welcomed your observations of the left end of Q-63 regarding shadows and impressions (sorry, didn’t mean to focus you on those pinholes, I was aiming for an objective eye at the area where those pinholes are). Could you give it another look?
suz:
You already found another one in the handwritten notes.
From your post #245:
o 9318 Sticker found at scene heartshape approx size of a man’s fingernail – it is stuck to the back of a picture frame. Ert left it on frame & packaged for latent presentation
Also, suz, do a Google image search of Casey Anthony heart sticker. You’ll find the pic you mentioned (taken at the home) of a sticker on top of an envelope in a drawer. You should also find a LE pic of an identical heart sticker with the measurement rulers in place. Again, the pristine condition of the sticker in the LE pic leads me to believe this was also retrieved from the home. Seems that LE is focusing in on that sticker for a reason.
Just read about the ME’s office failure to photograph the duct tape on the skull WITH reference scales!!
They assumed someone else would do that, FBI didn’t keep the jpgs. What WAS the M.E. office thinking of!?? That would be important– to confirm whether the width of the taping could or DID, block both airways.
The defense can argue that tape was not wide enough– and tell the state, go prove it! It’s damning to think the baby’s airways were cut off while she was alive, even if not conscious when the tape was applied.
Why would the ME not toss a scale into the photograph is crazy!!
#262 U R 2 AMAZING, SUZ! Thanks for the info. No, I hadn’t made that association, yet; but would you suppose one quarter inch would be enough for Mitochondrial DNA analysis?
does the digital world of forensics offer a few pitfalls? Quick (almost instantaneous) results, ease of tossing files, not carefully reviewing quality of what you have when you can have lots of ‘quantity’. With photos, the proceedures in the past could be fast, but each step had to be thought out, the resulting images would be on negative, slide, x-ray, but when these are now put into digital files, if they exist at all, they can get tossed, and not keeping jpgs is even easier. For an open case, this seems sloppy.
Are there sometimes too many ‘cooks’ so to speak? OSCO, FBI, ME’s office– each doing their own thing but also working with each other– but maybe not with enough communication in critical areas of documentation it seems.
1 nanogram. So how many nanoes are in a quarter inch piece of hair?
Look at the tape…number 13 has Casey’s bite arch imprint on the left edge. When your hands are full electricians, a.c. techs will use their teeth as a third hand to tear off the tape. I can see her left lateral, centrals, right lateral, cuspid and first molar imprint(just above and left of H). This tape is 10 inches long by 2 inches wide. If she was facing you, her right hand is holding the roll as she tears it close to her teeth.On #13 the tape was torn from the top to the bottom. The tape deforms due to force at the start(wrinkle) and the edge is smoother at the finish. I actually compared my Henkel tape to these pictures after experimenting with tearing techniques. I duplicated the exact impression.She may have held # 16 in her mouth by the end to hold it. A model of her teeth would confirm if it was her. Teeth are like finger prints. No two alike.
I just thought this was a bit interesting, and might be to someone else:
DNA fingerprinting was developed three years ago by geneticist Alec Jeffreys at the University of Leicester in England (SN: 12/21&28/85, p.390). Jeffreys observed that a number of DNA segments contain particular sequences of bases, the DNA building blocks, and these sequnces are repeated many times. Most important, he noted that the number of repeat sequences in each of these regions–and hence and region’s lenght–varies from one person to the next.
Jeffrey devised a technique that first cuts DNA into fragments. These are arranged according to length by electrophoresis, and then the ones that contain repeat sequences are tagged with radioactive probes, which allow these fragments to be visualized. The resulting pattern, which resembles a supermarket bar code, is a DNA fingerprint. With this method, the chances of two unrelated people having the same DNA fingerprint are, one average, 1 in 30 billion.
But in spite of its unusually high discriminating power, this approach has some drawbacks for forensic work: It requires relatively fresh samples and relatively large amounts of DNA. Addressing the second problem, Jeffreys and researchers at Cellmark Diagnostics — the company that licenses the DNA fingerprinting patent — recently announced a modified, more sensitive technique. Instead of using the original repeat-sequence probes, which are relatively short molecules, the researchers made new “locus-specific” probes out of selected DNA fingerprint fragments. These larger probes are able to carry more radioactivity, enabling researchers to detect DNA at levels as low as 20 nanograms. This allowed the group to use the technique on a single hair root, according to Cellmark’s David Green in Germantown, Md.
Scientists at Cetus have devised an even more sensitive technique and have used it to type samples containing less than I nanogram of DNA. In fact, they can work with as little as a single DNA molecule. Their method relies on a molecular copying process called polymerase chain reaction (PCR) gene amplification, which has been steadily changing the face of molecular biology since it was developed at Cetus three years ago. While traditional methods of copying genes or the proteins for which they code typically take weeks, PCR amplification can produce millions of copies in less than a day.
In the April 7 NATIRE, Cetus’ Russell Higuchi and Henry A. Erlich, along with Cecilia H. von Beroldingen and George F. Sensabaugh at the University of California at Berkeley, report that they have applied the PCR method to forensic samples of DNA. From both fresh and shed hairs, the researchers succeeded in making enough copies of one small DNA region, a portion of a gene, to perform three kinds of typing on it. By looking at differences in the length and/or base sequence of that gene, they could classify individuals into 21 different types. Unlike the Cellmark method, which requires long, intact DNA chains, the Cetus technique can copy and type DNA that has been degraded by long exposure to light or enzymes. The researchers types several-month-old fallen hairs in which they had been unable to detect any DNA with conventional chemical means, and the group is currently working with police on DNA samples that are several years old.
wpgmouse, those notes refer to the one and only vinyl puffy heart sticker that was found at the remains scene (to our knowledge anyway but I presume that is true). There is just the one of them, stuck to a piece of cardboard or particle board or a broken picture frame—all the very same item.
You are correct that those really clear pics of the shiny heart on the envelope and its matching sticker sheet came from the Ant’s home (I assume when they got a search warrant for ‘scrapbooking materials’. Obviously those do not match the heart found at the remains scene, but Dominic Casey has said that LE DID find a match (but if they did, I’ve not seen it).
kleat, I am sure you are right about the detail on Q64, but just for the sake of argument (don’t hit me!), here’s why I think it’s just a (badly lit) closeup of the Henkel logo. Here’s how they photographed the other Henkel pieces:
Starting on page 10134 and continuing unbroken:
Q62 Reverse of full length
Q62 detail Henkel logo
Q63/64 stuck together reverse
Q63/64 stuck together obverse
Q63 reverse
Q63 obverse
Q63 detail showing henkel logo
Q64 reverse
Q64 obverse
Q64 detail showing Henkel logo
Pg 10145
Q76 gas can (can and tape)
Q76 tape on can
Q76 detail showing Henkel logo (off can)
Q76 Reverse (off can)
Pg 9758
Q104 full length obverse
Q104 full length reverse
Q104 detail henkel logo
I think I see a pattern.
Kleat, yep, I’ve been waiting to bring that up about the ME’s office (shame on you, Dr. G!) not taking scale photos. It’s in my notes near: 10131 Q60 DEBRIS FROM SKULL CARELESSLY PACKAGED IN A TORN PAPER BAG
I was just thinking yesterday about your other point—the sheer volume of stuff in this case (photos and papers and docs and pings and whatnot) and how overwhelming it apparently is. That’s why I think it’s probably just an honest mistake to have listed the K33 laundry bag under “items from vehicle.” It’s just too much to keep up with.
#277 might there be DNA contained in the bite mark?
itsamysterytome.wordpress.com/2009/10/09/casey-anthony-docu-dump-october-9-2009/tape
All 1405 pages.
Picture of laundry baf on page 714 of the 1405 bothered me deeply.
On page 615 of 1405 they give the explanation for pin holes.
“Results of exammination. Numerous Casucasian head hairs found exhibit characteristics of apparent decomp.” Q 59 (#9615 and 9643). NUMEROUS hairs?????
Thanks, Randie, I had noticed that one reference to a hole—but there are so many pinholes, it seemed odd no other reports mentioned them. Of course, neither did they describe a bunch of pin holes, so I figured it must be something they knew about or did.
Q59 refers to the hair mass from the skull, so i reckon we should not be surprised that numerous hairs show decomp.
# 239-
Sorry if this has already been addressed.
I thought I read that they eliminated both Caylee and Casey (through MtDNA) re: the hair found on the shovel.
# 253-
IIRC we didn’t learn about the alleged heart shaped sticker residue until Jan 22 and not in December. And while we didn’t have access to the FBI reports (that were just released) they did release the Dec 20th search warrant that talks about the alleged stickers. By that time they’d already found another HS sticker some 20 or 30 ft from the body….but is it actually connected to the case?
I only know about 2 HS stickers from this case…are you saying there are more?
wpg-
We have several FBI communication logs which discuss the HSR and we have seen LG’s report from QDU (dated Dec 17, I think)…her report is pretty clear, she found NO HRS or any other type of sticker fragment on the duct tape.
Kleat-
I 100% agree, this appears sloppy and I think it’s a problem that EF is the only person who supposedly saw the alleged HSR not to mention she’s also the one that ‘destroyed’ it.
#281
Suz
My understanding was that there was a large rectangular shaped laundry bag in Casey’s car. Speculation is that she put the body and the trash bags and the other laundry bag in the rectangular shaped bag to carry into the woods. Did she put the other bags in there the day she got the shovel? When George brought the car home, they took the large laundry bag out of the car and wrapped it in trash bags because of the smell. LE later found it on the shelf in the garage.
#281-
“DEBRIS FROM SKULL CARELESSLY PACKAGED IN A TORN PAPER BAG” -suz
Who said that? Was that from the FBI? I read something last night from K Cowan (emails) and she complains about how slow LE is at processing evidence and she also comments on how LE sloppily stored some of the evidence (I think she was specifically referring to the car and the car seat- not ‘packaged’ properly or something like that.
I have a question, however unrelated, B. How will we ever come to the plea bargaining table if Casey is a true sociopath? Will she ever confess or admit to having any part in the death of her daughter? Or will she find solace in forever playing the victim as she withers away in prison?
I say, her being a sociopath, if in fact she is, and I am not commited to that diagnosis, would have her running to a proffer in this case.
B
Earmark — WOW!!!! That’s as good as a fingerprint (or better…)
Gosh, I can’t help but wonder what would have happened if LE or the FBI actually searched that patch of woods back in July or August?
They had cadaver dogs there and statistics tell us they often dispose of bodies close to home (she even said that) and given the fact that those woods are 1/4 away from her home, they back up to her house and it’s located on a dead end street.
Theoretically had they walked smack down the center of Suburban headed towards the school those cadaver dogs would have found her.
Ugh, this whole case makes me sick to my stomach, I’ll never understand how anyone could be so cruel to an innocent defenseless child.
It was under water, which the evidence will show. Trust me when I tell you, that will not be an item of contention at trial
B
Peggy, Hello
re:
“wpg-
We have several FBI communication logs which discuss the HSR and we have seen LG’s report from QDU (dated Dec 17, I think)…her report is pretty clear, she found NO HRS or any other type of sticker fragment on the duct tape.”
Peggy, I don’t think we have seen “all” the FBI reports on this particular sticker and perhaps for good reason. The residue itself may have been destroyed, but there still might be some other surface evidence of the heart shape, like an impression or outline. I like to think their labs have some way of bringing the shape back to light. Who knows what imaging the ME might have done that the FBI has enhanced and carefully studied. “If” it is the “ruffled-edge” sticker that they are focusing on, it’s unique pattern is a most compelling link. JMO.
Peggy, when you say you only know about two heart shaped stickers, do you mean the puffy one they found at the remains site stuck to a piece of cardboard, and the flat one (with no resemblance to the puffy one) they took from the Ants house?
Those are the only two I am aware of. One from the remains site, and a non-matching one from the house.
I am sure that mistakes were made throughout the investigation. We can go through each document and find convincing evidence or not. I know that this is not a court and Casey is deemed innocent until the end of her trial. Cindy has accused several people of being involved in the murder but each of them has taken and passed a polygraph. I don’t think any of the Anthonys have, have they? I just want to know if there is anyone here who really believes that Casey did not murder Caylee.
As would I. I have a friend and colleague who has an alternate theory, ( dont even bother asking me, I will not say what it is, next thing you know we will be aiding the defense with it, no thanks..) But they also believed, even up to and after Caylee was found, that she was alive and had been kidnapped. I have no explanation for why 2 people can be so diametrically apart on the same issue.
B
ada, there is speculation over the use (or not) of the rectangular bag, but we don’t yet have any solid evidence that it was ever involved.
It was of interest to LE because 1) it was the same brand as the one the remains were in and 2) it appeared to be hidden in the garage, as it was wrapped in a black trash bag and stuck high on a shelf.
There’s been recent speculation on this site about it because in the recent doc dump, one document listed the rectangular bag (as part of a long, multipage list—9 pages in all I think) under “Additional Items from Vehicle” as opposed to “Additional Items from Residence,” which was spotted by Blink and other sharp eyed sleuths, leading them to wonder if LE somehow has now concluded that perhaps this was in the vehicle when it came home from the towyard, and the Ants moved it. I think it’s just a mistake (there’s at least one more typo in there), and there are no notes explaining why it is now listed under “items from vehicle.” Yes, things are possibly redacted so perhaps we are just not seeing it, but I think they refer to items based on where they found them, rather than where they are “from,” so again, I’m not thinking it is meaningful that it is in the “from the vehicle” list (and I totally could be wrong of course).
The other interesting thing from this doc dump are two closeup pics of the rectangular bag where something is circled and initialed near the label, which shows up on the pics as either a white angular shape or a black rectangle, which makes us wonder what on earth it is and what it means.
But all we know for sure, based on the evidence we have seen, is that the remains were inside of two trash bags (one tied and one not tied) inside of a round laundry bag.
TY Suz, that is spot on.
Peggy- to add, that exact model laundry bag is in an image on the article here on autopsy revelations.
B
Peggy, lol, the “carelessly” in my comment about the torn bag was a bit of editorializing on my part when i jotted down the note to myself, but yes, it’s very similar to the parts of the FBI reports you talk about where they note how poorly the car seat was packed, how the duct tape came stuck together and they really don’t know if that happened during travel or what (M.E.’s office), and how the debris from the skull came (also from the M.E.’s office) in a torn brown paper bag, so the FBI put the whole shebang into a plastic bag.
Wow, we just got some shocking news here in penscola florida of two missing 1 1/2 year old girls. It’s about 8 house’s from where I live. And it’s starting out sounding like the Casey case. It’s been going on since 2 yesterday.
O my, link when you can please
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So most wise and wonderous Blink, what would you suppose her psychosis might be, or is she just another O.J., of whom no such diagnosis has ever been made and or made known, not to the public at large, anyway. But how could he not be but a sociopath and yet maintain his innocense, for so many years, after such a heinous act? No shame, no remorse, no guilt, and never any form of an admission. This fits the profile of a sociopath, above that of a narcissist, who finds the means to justify, or otherwise excuse, as in Broderick, and if only within their own minds/consciences.
And again, if you would please, forgive and/or indulge my ignorances but I see no confession of any sort coming out of Casey, and not even to profer, for this would entail some form of admission, or at least the admission of greater knowledge of the crime than she has thus far offered, would it not? And is there not the possibility, however remote, that such a profer could backfire, as in Merz?
In light of all of the evidences at hand, whether there be a “smoking gun”, it would just seem to me that Baez would already have tried, short of straddling her backward, and with pliers in hand aimed at her teeth, to get her to “cop” some sort of deal, and she yet seems not to be budging, and why should she, with the never ending assistance of her enabling family who contributed greatly to whatever her psychosis is, and who yet maintain her innocense, in spite of all evidences — well, with the exception of her father, whom I believe is just following the script written for him by his commandeering wife, lest he may well have spilled his guts by now. JMO.
Sorry to have rambled, and to have imposed so much upon your good graces and expertise, Blink; but I would so greatly appreciate your insight into these things, for in this way I am challenged and even to learn.
Fondly, indeed,
Gavi
Fondly in kind-
In fairness, I was advised by a friend and colleague who is a forensic psychologist, that the term sociopath is dramatically overused. She likened it to the overdiagnosis within children of school age with ADD, ADHD.
Read the profiling Casey at crimsonshadows.net, I apologize but I am repsonding remotely and dont have the link handy.
I do think she has sociopathic/narcissistic tendancies, but what is also odd, is that most accounts detailing this behavior for her start post the age of 20. In general, sociopaths are always sociopaths. There is no acute onset per se. The traits start early and are constant. There is a critical element within her personality that has always screamed out to me.
Her almost manic need for male attention and promiscuity, yet complete lack of drive to go back to school, work, where there is certainly more of a manpool to chose from, and possibly one that might relieve her of her burden of living with her parents, is in conflict for me. That wreaks of gross insecurity, again, not a trait of a sociopath, real or perceived.
(donning my protective bubble for all the PHD’s to weigh in.. be kind)
I think she is a hybrid.
If she does confess, it will be because she cares more about saving her life, or the possibility of having one someday, than she does about breaking from her delusion.
She will imagine all of us as pissant miscreants shoving our faces with the cake she is now allowing us to eat.
JMHO Gav-
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yes Blink I will, I understand there were 3 kids, 1 boy 2-1/2 and a set of twin girls 1-1/2 years old. They found the boy at there house with no food or water, and pot plants tall in size, boy comes out of the room skin and bones, he was taken to sacard heart hopital for exam. But to many stories about the girls. Nothing on our news yet but have alot of people close to find out information
Were any of the hairs caught in the duct tape Casey’s?
I think we can kiss the heart shaped sticker goodbye. I can’t imagine why, if the FBI indeed has pictures of it, they would open themselves up to ridicule by releasing info suggesting that they bungled it and stating outright that they did not capture pictures of it. Doesn’t seem like their style.
On the other hand the thing working for the sticker is that the residue was spotted prior to any such sticker being found.
Working against it is that only one person seems to have seen it, there seem to be no existing photos (or careful measurements) of it, and there is no trace of it being there.