Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Brad, Baez and Baden Can’t Read
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Discovery Review Part I
Orlando, FL– In the last 2 weeks in the case against infamous tot-mom Casey Anthony, The defense appears to be in an all out media blitz to support their recent motions for dismissal. Most legal analysts feel they have missed the deadline for such tactics, and that could very well be the reason for the affront on public opinion recently.
The blinkoncrime.com editors have been scouring the recent discovery release.
There are some very compelling facts the Spin Twins de Baez have conveniently overlooked.
The Duct Tape
Reported exclusively at blinkoncrime.com last June, the Henkel Duck tape industrial grade was located on the skull of Caylee Marie, the gas can and the shed at the Anthony residence. Today, WFTV after rifiling through some old footage, reminds us what we already knew.
(Editors note: Say what you will about Kathy Belich, that Dom Casey cheat sheet with her picture and “disseminating hatred towards the family” remark had her in that news room with a whip and a hot iron all day until they found it– I don’t blame her.)
Yesterday at Brad Conway’s client driven press conference, he specifically referenced there are no fingerprints on the duct tape. I heard it again this morning by Linda Kenney Baden.
Let’s break this down folks, shall we?
On NO document, that we have seen, does it state anywhere that there are no prints on that duct tape. Specifically, I am referring to FBI Evidence ID Q62, Q63 and Q64.
In fairness to the defense, with a combined experience mean of 2o years in the “expert” fields, less Jose “josebgood@yahoo.com” Baezs’ token 3 years, I can see how such academics could come to that conclusion for the time being.
Within the response to Kenney Baden’s discovery request from the FBI, this statement appears:
THE FBI DID NOT RECEIVE LATENT LIFTS IN THIS CASE
It does not say “latent impressions”, which in the forensic “speak” means all friction ridge detail images.
Seriously? With a woman’s very life hanging in the balance we are expected to believe such a panel does not know the difference between a latent lift and a friction ridge image in 2009? Not to be glib, but as a practical matter, as a layperson, just imagine when your scotch tape slips off the cutter and you stand there for 10 minutes trying to thread it again with your fingernail. If that did not immediately furrow your brow, you will be wrapping all the christmas presents this year.
These assertions by the defense team are nothing more than an attempt to double dare the State to open their Kimono. Insert euphamisms at will.
As a matter of fact, a close look at the examination protocol used by the FBI, tells a very, very different story.
Tape Q62, Q63, Q64 is originally presented NOT to be tested for DNA. Who gets it first? Latent Print U and Chem. Why is this important? Because the two work together when we are talking about applying chemically based “lifting” techniques such as sticky powder, for example.
Yes, before you ask, this is where the heart sticker residue is seen by LPU on the NON ADHESIVE side prior to it’s own testing procedures. That residue is consumed and no longer visible in this phase. You can assume LPU saw that image under ALS, not visible to the evidence collection unit or ECU.
Occurring simultaneously, lets also assume a conscious decision is made to procure the latent images on the adhesive side of Q63, even at the risk of the consumption or ruin of residue of the alleged heart sticker that everyone already knew would not yield DNA.
Who thinks there are no other digital originals of the duct tape, bearing the sticker residue from the Medical Examiners Officer or CSI in the field? While I agree the residue chemistry itself may have been probative, this was not the woopsie the defense would lead you to believe.
LPU was assigned to do visual oversight when the Trace evidence unit, or TEU receives the samples next. Ms. Fontaine has a T shirt she wears under her lab coat for just such an occasion.
It reads: DONT BE SWABBIN ON MY PRINT on the front, on the back it reads: I’LL JUST WAIT TO BE SURE.
Is that so that their friction ridge was not destroyed? OF COURSE.
Next stop The Questioned Documents Unit, or QDU. For those unfamiliar, this is another “ARod” Jose Baez so astutely coined the analogy when referring to Dr. Neal Haskell being on the State’s expert list. This is where the mysterious “contamination” occurs. Brad Conway went as far as to say yesterday that this was a mysteryperson, a possible unsub if you will. Ms. Baden said it could be an alternative culprit. Yeesh.
It is clearly stated in the report that CONWAY released, that the ID from the partial profile, is Lorie Gottesman, of the QDU.
I am quite sure Ms. Gottesman has an alibis for June 16th. Perhaps this is a good thing as I hear Ms. Gottesman is well versed in expert testimony.
Ppppssst. There are 2 other samples of the duct tape, all 3 latent results have not been released except to say that George, Lee and Cindy have been excluded.
Wouldn’t you have to have a control latent to compare them to in order to exclude A N Y O N E?
Their ARE prints, folks. Eazy Peazy.
While we are on the subject of the tape, textile fibers WERE recovered from Q62 and Q64 and Q66 (house duct tape) and preserved for future testing.
It was not true to say there was no transfer evidence whatsoever, how would they know when those tests have not either been preformed or the results completed? Ms. Baden feels the public is being misled?
I would offer the misleading is being orchestrated by misinterpretation.
The decision was made to consider testing the tape for DNA after an initial pre-amplified DNA result came back from Baby Caylees tibia (I apologize for the graphic).
To be continued, blinkoncrime.com
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Fantastic job blink!!! <3
I wonder if everytime the defense comes out with a new “bombshell” if the come running here and say “oh shiite”…
Welcome to blinkoncrime.com Amanda, and TY
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Blink,
You’re phenominal!! (sp?)
I will rest easier tonight.
Thank you.
I have been waiting for DAYS for someone to point out what is painfully obvious to industry proffs. This case is landmark, and nobody gets it, other than this site, I guess.
Hail Blink, whoever you are.
All I can say is WOW….
So is the defense team media tour today a way to pressure the prosecutors to start discussions for a plea deal? Are they trying to get a plea deal before the print results are released?
Personally, I think they already know the prints are in.
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Bullseye.
Sometimes I have no clue why the people in this case put up with this crap. Baby Killer, the end.
Blink,
I am very tired but could you please splain?
The decision was made to consider testing the tape for DNA after an initial pre-amplified DNA result came back from Baby Caylees tibia (I apologize for the graphic).
Thanks and I cannot believe I didnt get that the first time I read it. duh (lol) If they didnt have a print, then how could they exclude the three others in the family?… HA! so simple.
I will in Part deux, it is a bit complex for a response, nite
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Blink,
Thanks for the website, updates and putting the pieces together gives prospective to what is going on in this case. Especially, release of the large amount of discovery documentation. Like, here at this site people speak out for the victim which she is unable to do for herself because of her age and the fact that she is not with us anymore. I have enormous respect for the LE, SAO and the Judge who has charge of this case. Keep up the remarkable work!
Are there precedents in a case like this in Florida where there will be no need for change of venue for the murder trial due to the defense team making their rounds on national morning show outlets?
Look what happens when the dream team is wining and dining and shoulder patting itself in the Big A– sneaky timing, Blink, SNEA–KY!!!
LOL Amanda!!!
I add my WOW.
I read this twice, slowly, because it is all new science to me.
But it was not greek to me! You went through it point by point, so clearly that even this novice followed…
WOW.
Will this have to come out in discovery? Or did I read somewhere that because it is the FBI, it does not have to??
Anyway…BRAVO, BLINK.
What was that fingerprinting of the Anthony’s in Brad’s office about? Ahh… only for the defense!!? I was assuming all family prints would have been available for comparison, but what would be the point unless and until that was required. (Duh!– again on me)
Blink-
Are you going to go into the other discovery in Part 2?
Your freakin me out, I have nothing to add.
Stellar.
M
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Wow Blink, this is great…wish I could understand a little better..I read those papers today and saw that the FBI said that there was no match of fingerprints to George, Cindy, and Lee…now I get it..DNA is way over my head…I had to look up Brian Burner to see why his DNA was taken and placed against Casey’s…the shovel! At first I thought it might of been a father for Caylee…Thanks.
Kathy Belich is my hero, not really but I liked her ever since I saw the youtube video where she’s following Cindy to her van with her microphone asking questions outdoors, might have been Jay Blanchard. Cindy stops walking & tells Kathy ‘don’t come closer you’re invading my space’ & starts yelling & ranting along the lines of ’stop asking stupid questions, but since you’re a stupid woman Kathy that’s all you know how to ask’. Not exact words but close, they were discussing Leonard Padilla having a search team of divers in a lake.
Undaunted Kathy asked Cindy if she was having fun berating her & kept following Cindy asking more questions. Belich has more balls than the wimpy interviewers on any TV show the A’s & their cover up agents have been on yet…soft ball non-questions which are given outright lies & non-answers to.
I loved when Jose got irritated with Kathy after a court hearing, asked her why ‘her name was changed’ apprently he investigated her, then ignored her completely because he said ‘you’re killing my sound bite’ & started speaking Spanish to a hispanic reporter hoping Kathy would go away..she didn’t.
If every reporter was as tenacious as Kathy Belich we might have got to the truth with Casy & the slimeball Anthonys, Dom Casey, Michelle Bart, the Milsteads etc. all a lot sooner.
Wow Blink! Thank you for this info! I got a good chuckle on the “token 3 years of ol’ JoseB.”lol I really think it’s great that Kathy Belich was able to go through the old footage and find that duct tape picture. I hate the way the Anthony clan and D-team have been trying to discredit her at every turn! I bet Cindy is spitting nails about Kathy’s find! Do you think the State would ever even consider a plea deal? Thank you for all your hard work Blink!
TY, I do.
However, it does not matter because I do not believe her attorney will, shuts down the chuckwagon.
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Hiding in plain site. Thank you Blink Brilliant
Blink, you rock my socks on ice! (a saying my daughter uses when something is just awesomely mind blowing)
Waiting for part two…
Thanks for all you do. I was beginning to think KC might be heading towards getting away with murder. Thanks for restoring my faith!
And now new peice to tape found by wftv reporter. They should keep looking theres gonna be alot more.
BOMBSHELL..BLINK..BOMBSHELL…Thank you so much for this new article. The new tape evidence video with Kathy B. brillant! Your new thread is exactly what I and I am sure many other readers needed to calm our fears and give us a reason to have a defiant smile. God Bless our little Caylee and everyone else that is working tirelessly for her.
Blink, just for you…
Fantastique, mon ami !
Why did they need Caylee’s dna in order to test the duct tape for dna?
Since they had casey’s dna to match against, wouldn’t they be happy if they at least found hers on the tape?
No, they needed to positively ID Caylee. Testing for DNA is a neutral process, they interpret what they find
B
Ofcourse the defense team knows there is incriminating evidence. I have been wondering why Casey would agree to Lyon’s motion to remove the First Degree Murder charge but leave the manslaughter charge. Sure, its protocol to file these type of motions but Casey would have to agree to it. Maybe that was known before Casey’s last hearing appearance where she didn’t look quite so smug. If Cindy was still looking for a live Caylee after the MEmorial then she would see things that aren’t there to see in Discovery and have Brad Conway declare it to the world (with Baez’ blessings). Baez and Lyon so wants Cindy to look ridiculous anyway.
Thanks, Blink, for explaining the latest Discovery re: prints.
Blink, if Baez knows that prints are there, why isn’t he laying out the reality to Miss.Princess and telling her if she doesn’t attempt a plea, that basically, she’s done for. Or is this a Casey driven horsebuggy with an arrogance and belief that “I’m to pretty to be convicted”?
Because prints in and of themselves, on duct tape she will admit she had access to, sans DNA, is not in the defense’s mind, a smoking gun per se when they weave their theory. The totality of the evidence seen and yet to be seen will foce a plea or convict Casey Anthony. It is important to note what we see and what we do not. There is very little back from forensics in the scheme of things and I also think there are further tests on some samples we think are back and complete already because I can tell from the discovery there are multiple locations and not all samples are accounted for.
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Thank you, B. Beyond, thank you. What would we do without you?
TY, but not at all, I consider it a good thing that we all learn together so we can keep our collective perspective.
B
You don’t tug on superman’s cape
You don’t spit into the wind
You don’t pull the mask off that old lone ranger
And you don’t mess around with ____*
* Insert “Blink” or “Belich”
Okay, Blinkers now I am compelled to come back. When is the second part?
Do you think there will be a plea offered, if so, what?
You are never happy are you, always chop chop Blink!
LMAO. Next week.
B
Could the roll of duct tape that Casey borrowed from her friend Amy (? I think it was ) play a part in this ? Possibly matching to the brand of duct tape found on Caylee ? I believe Casey borrowed it to use on her costume for one of the many wild parties she attended .
Amy says she never had duct tape, and I have seen the peeps at that party, I did not see that brand of duct tape on anyone.
B
# 25 LOL
Slave drivin’….sorry.
Blink–
Now that the defense has filed their motion to dismiss based on lack of evidence, do you think the fingerprint evidence will show up within the state’s response?
No, I think they will release discovery under the rules of the Fla Supreme Court and not be goaded by the defense.
B
I think the jury will have no problem understanding the sheer force of the fact the tape was soooo rare. Easy to layout a picture even for those of us without math degrees. 304,000,000people in the US (2,054,000 of whom live in the metropolitan Orlando area) bought 135,000 rolls of INDUSTRIAL ( more expensive specialty type)duct tape only between the years 2005 and 2007. Prior to July 15th 2008 a piece of this tape ended up on a gas can in the Anthonys garage. Several pieces of this rare duct tape ended up on the remains of Caylee Anthony, for benefit of the doubt, lets say prior to December 11th 2008. In July 2008 the Anthony clan hangs posters of Caylee, in THEIR command Center with more of this rare tape. ( Bear in mind Casey is in custody). I think the odds of Casey touching a piece of duct tape at the Anything but clothes party, or from one her friends would be easier to swallow than finding the duct tape in the posession of the Anthonys after Casey is already in jail. Who would have access to this tape except the Anthonys in all three scenarios! I think the duct rarity can not be underestimated in this case especially with three seperate instances over severalmonth span, all involving the Anthonys.
Thank you so much Blink. Great work.
Didn’t Amy mention her duct tape to Casey in a text message? And now she’s denying that? Did I miss something? I could have sworn I saw that in a text. Anyone??
you think they will mention it at the next court hearing though?..whenever that may be. very good!!! helps my confidence they will get this vile woman!
Blink….in a prior post you mentioned that Baez already knew about the fingerprints back in March….did he tell GA and CA about them?
Regarding post #26. Isn’t there text messages between Casey and may be Annie regarding duct tape. I know I read that somewhere.
There is, but IIRC, it was Casey to Amy asking if she had seen it.
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If Casey and team do approach the prosecution with a plea deal, due to insurmountible evidence, does anyone know what the plea would be in a situation such as this?
At last ! Thank you for the lucid article defining the arcane science
underlying the ac
WOW. Just WOW. Blink and Blinksters you are all amazing. I am sure that the whole defense team and G & A are checking here every minute as I tend to do.
I would be very happy with a plea deal as it would hopefully end this whole charade. I cannot wait to hear Casey admit that she killed that beautiful baby. It will give some closure to all of us who want to see justice. Not only that but her admitting to being respoinsible for Caylee’s death will shut the gravy train down for Cindy and George.
#29 Thanks azrenee, I didn’t think the duct tape was all that important, either way, but I guess your post countered that.
So does Belich’s video automatically go into evidence, or does the state have to subpoena it? Is there a way that the defense can argue that it shouldn’t come into evidence or trial?
Not at all, wftv can just hand it over, based on the protocol. They will probably ask for a supoena though to appear neutral if you will, as if. lol.
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Anyone know when Strickland will have a hearing on these motions to dismiss, I know that some of you keep up on the court calender?
A question for Kleat: Any new commentary from suspected defense camp on the ‘internets’ after WFTV’s find? Just curious.
Does Facebook Posting Show Casey Anthony Used Friends Duct Tape?
As it turns out, a Facebook posting might hold important clues in the case against Casey Anthony.
From WFTV:
Eyewitness News made the discovery Wednesday as search crews spent another day sifting through dirt and knocking down tree branches. Eyewitness News learned of the duct tape details from somebody who contacted the station through WFTV.com.
An Ontario woman, who has been tracking the Casey Anthony case on WFTV.com, emailed Eyewitness News what she says is Casey’s Facebook page with a message about duct tape. She insists it’s an authentic page she found and printed in July.
One specific posting in late May, from who appears to be Casey’s former best friend Amy Huizenga, reads, “You lost my duct tape. I was excited to have so much left. That’s why (sic) I get for giving you my purse.”
The date it appeared to be posted, May 26, was around the same time as a “no clothes party” Casey attended. She had wrapped herself in a flag and, according to her, nothing else.
Eyewitness News passed the Facebook information along to law enforcement and they are investigating the possibility that the duct tape mentioned is somehow connected to the case.
Investigators found duct tape on the mouth of the child’s skull found less than a half-mile from the Anthony home. Investigators have been very tight-lipped about what they took from the Anthony home shortly after the remains were found and what, if any, evidence it has yielded
I find it interesting that when forensics point to noone but Casey, it’s considered “junk science” by the defense, but when there is a discovery that puts question marks on Casey’s involvement, it’s considered gospel. They not only want to have the cake and eat it, they want the all-you-can-eat dessert bar at Shoney’s
#37. West I have tried to think about all the defense can say about any fingerprints, dna etc found on the tape, but until yesterday I didnt really consider just how ridiculous it would be to suggest that tape could end up in all three scenarios in the same city, in the same case. I hope it is as obvious to the jury as it seems to me.
My only thought would be how a college age girl, living in apts like Amy was, would have industrial fire grade duct tape, and if she did, how did the Anthonys end up hanging posters with it? If Casey left it at the house I guess that would be a connection. There is no way I could be convinced of a coincidence of the tape showing up in the three confirmed places so far.
The SA office requested discovery evidence from the defense asking for their proof that Casey is innocent. This was after Todd M. said that in court. It has been a few weeks since this request. How long before the defense has to turn thier discovery over to the State?
Blink,
Just a quick THANK YOU for all the hard work and effort you and your team put into these cases! It is so refreshing to come here and read your articles that present the facts in easy speak. Your articles are nothing less than informative and accurate! Like I said…refreshing!
I’d like to ask about something I made a mental note of from one of the defense motions (I think it was 2 or 3 of them ago) where LKB is requesting info on the “18 fingerprints” found. I hope you know what I’m referring to, but if not, I’ll go look up and find a link. When I read that, I was OH YEAH! Just like Blink said, there ARE prints!!! Do you have any further information or comment on this? Thanx again!
Sorry Kew- too broad, can u link me please?
TY
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still looking for it in the discovery, but here http://www.wftv.com/news/18301938/detail.html
An Ontario woman, Gloria Hilker, who has been tracking the Casey Anthony case on WFTV.com, emailed Eyewitness News what she says is
Casey’s Facebook page with a message about duct tape. She insists it’s an authentic page she found and printed in July.
One specific posting in late May, from who appears to be Casey’s former best friend Amy Huizenga, reads, “You lost my duct tape. I was excited to have so much left. That’s why (sic) I get for giving you my purse.”
The date it appeared to be posted, May 26, was around the same time as a “no clothes party” Casey attended. She had wrapped herself in a flag and, according to her, nothing else.
#40 This is from the TV guy’s site. I suspect it might be from the defense side. The tone is so familiar.
“If the news agency’s are going to do their own rebuttal to defense motions, then WHY are we wasting our time on a trial. Let’s just go ahead and execuete her for the crime. Why waste the time when the court of public opinion has been turned against her. The news agencies are not doing a fair job in insuring that she get a fair trial. Guilty or not, she deserves her day in court in front of 12 of her peers. If we are not going to do that, then let’s have an old fashion hanging and get it over with. Otherwise, WESH & WFTV will continue to make their legal commentators richer.”
The TV guy said
” I saw the reports as rebuttals to what the defense said on national television. Those interviews simply presented the defense’s side.”
EXACTLY. I will say Baez smarmy mug first thing in the morning did motivate me to finish my work on the piece, that is true.
I will say it again, the state wanted a gag order. The defense did not. Suck it up.
B
I’m digging through all the text messages right now, trying to find the one where Casey mentioned to Annie about the tape. I’ll find it, but it might take me a minute.
It’s odd, because I remember before duct tape was even an issue in this case, that text jumped out at me. It struck me the same way as the squirrel message.
Obviously the message Casey sent about her dad driving the car and hitting a squirrel, (thus the reason for the smell) was her way of covering for the hideous smell if anyone were to get near the car. The text message was completely unwarranted at the time. No mention of cars, squirrels, dads, smells or otherwise, just that text out of the blue.
The text concerning the duct tape was the exact same way. I recall specifically she sent that message about the duct tape being missing, yet there wasn’t any conversation prior to or after that message that had anything to do with the duct tape, or it being missing, or even anything about a purse, well prior to that I mean.
Like I said, it jumped out at me at the time, because that was twice that she sent texts that were out of the blue, so to speak, as if she were covering for something that hadn’t yet come up.
Back to the docs to find the text…
That a girl Blink. The prosecution is going to have the defense for lunch and not Blink an eye.
As far as a plea deal goes in Capitol cases for murder 1…usually LWOP and no appeals. Don’t know if Lyons will bite for the no appeals..heck that is where her goose with the Golden egg lies.
Agreed dear friend.
I still go back to George busting into Mark Nejame’s office. Who’s the boss applesauce? Why would Baez call a represented individual and not his lawyer? I’ll answer, because HE CAN. I sincerely hope Brad sees the forest soon, he is in a no win situation and I do believe his heart was in the right place.
B
Wendy, look at post #41. I just googled….Amy Heizenga text messages to Casey or I google Amy Heizengas duct tape and this post popped right up.
Look back guys, in response to #26 Blink says it doesn’t apear to be the same tape used at the no clothes party. Why do you thind that Amy and the Ants have the same duct tape. It came from their home.
What is that I hear…is that Sindy, Dom, Baden, and Baez crying in the corner? I’m sorry it can’t be they couldn’t read the doc dump what make me think they understood Blink? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I’m so proud of Blink, actually humbled in her presence! I bow to you Madame.
Why TY, anyone can sift through 1000 pages, I am nothing special. What I am is an advocate for Caylee Marie Anthony and I am utterly over these people thinking people are as gullible as they would like.
One thing I will say, is several on here have brought up the issue about the sunshine laws interfering with a person’s right to a fair trial. As a journalist, I love the access to information, but I would be lying if I did not agree to a point.
B
# 50
Gypsy/Blink_ If Conway remains:
He should cut off contact between the Anthonys and Baez. Baez knows how to push their buttons and make them look out of control. I suppose that is the point? And in doing so, it makes Brad look bad by association and with the antics that he has been pushed into.
Again, NeJame is thanking himself for having left as Counsel before ‘it’ really started to hit the fan.
So how long now before some nasty dirt about Kathy Belich surfaces from PI work?
On the flip side, one of my journalist friends always said, never attack someone who has plenty of ink. In Belich’s case, I guess you would change ink to tape, or digital tape.
It got really personal between them at some point, whew!
can someone explain how the defense calls forensic findings ” junk science” ? They found a hair with a death ring- that is only on postmortem bodies - correct?
I dont get how lawyers operate. How do they determine that such a clear finding is junk. You cant be alive & have a death ring on a strand of hair from what I have researched. Are they counting on a real dumb judge & jury?
# 48 ada
No one said that the coverage was unfair the day before, when the media was running with the FBI mistakes angle.
Also, it wasn’t so much a rebuttal, as having a hunch and uncovering information. TV loves its exclusives. But the defense should know this, as the 48hrs program purportedly paid handsomely for exclusive photo licensing and or an exclusive interview.
What is the date of Casey’s text to Amy?
I think Casey took the duct tape for the flag outfit. George asked her to return it. She texts thinking it’s with Amy. The tape is in the trunk. Maybe the gas cans too. When Casey used the tape on Caylee maybe a piece folded back on itself. To get the tape off her fingers she wiped the tape on the gas cans. She gave the tape back to George when he asked for the gas can OR the tape was still in her car when the Anthonys cleaned it out. I started to post this earlier but I went back to see how smooth the tape looked on the gas can (So if this shows up somewhere else, I’m sorry). It looked pretty smooth but was there more than one piece of tape on the can?
wsh, I don’t regularly watch those until the other day after the Brad thing (whatever that was) and found the two nicks. I did a quick look for later-late night entries under those two nicks again, but nothing new. I suspect those nicknames have now served their purpose as part of last week’s media charade.
Sorry Blink, had to sift through some docs to find. Here’s where I’m referencing the fingerprint info request:
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Renewed%20Motion%20to%20Compel%20Bench%20Notes,%20Standards,%20Data,%20and%20Communications%20with%20Law%20Enforcement,%20et%20al.PDF
Page 21 of 91 of the “Renewed Motion to Compel Bench Note..”
Section 19 a Ms. LKB is asking for specific latent print information on 18 prints and 8 areas of prints.
This was the first I’ve read of the defense KNOWING about fingerprint evidence that apparently exists. How did they know if it wasn’t released yet?
Nicely done Kew, yes, your correct. SHE MUST have unreleased information because if you note the testing parameters and the fact that this was sent to the FBI , she must be in receipt of some FBI reports or made an error. The prints I am aware of as lifts, and I do think it is possible she is using lifts incorrectly in some spots, were preformed by OCSO, not the FBI.
They Know. They know about the prints , but don’t consider them “prints” until they have the benchnotes, etc. They have it now allegedly.
B
If Casey is suggesting a link between Amy and her [CASEY'S] duct tape in May, that makes no sense to post that on a social networking page unless she wanted the personal note to go to all her friends and others for some reason. It also can suggest that Casey did this to prepare for some ‘future’ connection to ‘her’ duct tape, just as she went to Jessie’s place, just like the swimgear stuff left at a friends place, just like she said her so called ‘best friend’, could supply Zanex from her prescription. Casey was saying a lot of things.
I wondered if the defense was trying to get the state to respond to their media blitz and to the motion to dismiss the first degree charge (because they know the motion to dismiss the whole case won’t fly), is so the state will ‘BRING the smoking gun (see ‘justsayin111’s post link) and Linda KB’s suggestion if they had anything, like a ‘hair’ of Casey’s at the crime scene, they’d show it.
Blink clearly was thinking that– opening a Kimono– not wise– unless you want to commit harikari. What have we got now? The defense doing it’s one-sided media shows to a ‘national’ audience to target the other trial venue jury pool– then they attack the media for showing the other side. WHO ELSE??? Not the state, not Ms. Drane-Burdick or her colleques. No one to give a balance to the reporting done freely, often, and ‘repeating themselves’ with all of their high connections in the main national Media streams.
The defense can now go retake their polling studies of the different venues of choice for trial, to rate their efficacy of the last week’s tour.
Then they dig up ‘dirt’ on anyone and everyone. What have they got on Judge Strickland???? They dare not say…
Brad has no control of his clients, nor their respect. He is being used and needs to take care of his own professional standards so they do not get abused in the process. Brad criticized the state for NOT releasing all of the documents as they should have. But, Mr. Conway, haven’t you paid attention?? The state has previously split up doc dumps, given the photos on cd for example, one day, and as they could process the next batch of the same doc dump, they have followed that with the next. What is so terrible about a few days delay? It’s 1000 pages in the one part of the release! The state does not only have Casey Anthony to deal with.
Brad needs to get on board with the ‘joint defense’ in whatever way that would allow– OR, represent HIS clients. They may need representation as this progresses, they may even find they have conflict of interest with each other.
Blink, re: sunshine law comment– do you think the Baden’s, the Kenny-Badens, the Baez’s, Macaluso’s, lose sleep at nights over ‘fair trial’ issues because of Sunshine Laws specifically? I think they are making the most for themselves in what the bright sun allows, as do the Anthony’s. Helps the amount on plates when the dinner bell is rung at the ol’ chuckwagon! They will run that herd of cattle down to the bone before this is over, and sell them off to the lowest bidder when the drive is over because it is the ‘journey’ and not the destination that pays the benefits here.
There is no doubt, I agree, and Maybe I should have been more specific, I apolly. It ALSO CLEARLY allows for people to get paid for their crimes upfront. You think Melissa Huckaby’s family is working on deals? Hell to the NO. If you cant write anything or interview anyone, there is no money to be had. Something to think about.
B
Kleat
“The defense can now go retake their polling studies of the different venues of choice for trial, to rate their efficacy of the last week’s tour.”
But will they get a change of venue after the media blitz on national TV? They weren’t limiting their exposure to Orlando. they took it further. Can’t the state argue that they brought national attention to the case again?
Not Kleat, but they will definately get the change of venue, which btw, I think is a mistake. I think from a strategic perspective if he’s planning on throwing the Anthony’s under the bus, he should stay put.
B B
Last night, Marc Klass commented on the defense’s media flurry of this past week, as well a clinical psychologist, Ms. Saunders, comments:
(full transcript is up at NG–> http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0910/02/ng.01.html, Jean Casarez, guest host)
Casarez:
“Marc, when you hear all of this and the defense attorneys were on all of the morning shows today talking about this, what are your thoughts?
MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: Well, you know, the defense attorneys have told us time and time again that this case is going to be adjudicated in the courtroom and not on the TV. So it`s kind of ironic that they have gone on to this offensive today.
And I think it`s probably a desperation move. And I also believe that if Casey Anthony were my client I`d probably be pretty desperate, too. But you know, going back to the beginning, as your previous caller had done, with the trunk, everything up until the forensics points directly at Casey and really at nobody else despite every attempt that the family has made to point the finger at other people.
CASAREZ: To Patricia Saunders, clinical psychologist out of New York. You know, Marc Klaas makes a very good point. The defense has always said we want to try this in the courtroom. We don`t want to try this in the court of public opinion.
And one thing they said in their motion and they said on some of the news shows today is that Casey Anthony has very compelling reasons for what she did when she did it after her daughter went missing and it will come out in a trial.
And that has to do with not reporting to authorities for 31 days her child was missing, the fact that it`s documented that she was partying, that she got a tattoo on her back, “vita bella,” good life.
How is the defense going to explain compelling reasons for doing all this?
PATRICIA SAUNDERS, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, you sure got me on that one, Jean. I don`t have a clue. But I think the defense is doing what defense attorneys do. And the Anthonys are doing what desperate parents do.
And that`s to take different slices of facts, different slices of reality, and try and shift people`s understanding of it. It`s like propaganda. People can put out all kinds of wild, bizarre, or a little different statements and just hope someone on the jury`s going to believe them. ”
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Did they retrieve a roll of this duct tape from the A home during their search? Anyone know?
Wonder if they have (or will) question Cindy, George & Lee re: the duct tape. Was it in the house, did they use it all on the posters?
More importantly, if the duct tape roll was at the home then Caylee probably died at the home.
Or
If the duct tape roll was in her trunk, did Cindy get it out when she cleaned up the car?
They recovered the duct tape on 12/11/08 from the home, and I agree with you she died there.
B
One thing I will say, is several on here have brought up the issue about the sunshine laws interfering with a person’s right to a fair trial. As a journalist, I love the access to information, but I would be lying if I did not agree to a point.
B
I agree, so much released may never be brought into court. But it is what it is, unless the voters of FL change it. Would this mountain of evidence have been released according to law, if the gag order was imposed?
Casey’s compelling reasons theory supported by Dominic Casey’s statements of his ‘beliefs’ about the case, that Casey probably had such an experience beyond anyone’s imagination, that she had to keep quiet, or couldn’t talk (paraphrasing his suggestion) and that’s the reason she could not come forward during that 31 days.
My question would be– why would the parents not help Casey through this trauma with victims support and help in recalling and dealing with the trauma so that it might in fact SAVE the baby????
I think the defense could use the fear factor, throwing Casey into a psych state that paralyzed her, she went into an ‘ugly’ behaviour mode, coping in the wrong, but ‘explainable way’.
Another part of this could easily be the horrific fear or experiences Casey had at the hands of the kidnapper(s), was directions to follow everything they said, not just partying and buying beer, and watching horror movies to cope, but actually participate (remember the statement “SHE HAD TO HAVE HAD HELP”– she could not do this alone) in the ‘act’ to some degree– INCLUDING taping the child’s mouth shut because she was under such duress and stress and threat not just to herself but her whole family, (physical threats)
This is why we find the fingerprints, maybe other physical evidence linking Casey to the scene. Casey was the real mastermind’s ‘puppet’.
(hey they brought up Elizabeth Smart as an example of why one should never give up hope– maybe they will use the brainwashing or psych trauma to explain everything away).
There is a reason the defense WANTS the state to ‘bring it’ (the ’smoking gun’) so they can work it for the next year in the national media, a ‘one-sided trial in their media’ when the state can do nothing. Hope the state keeps its cards close and does not fall for this.
Thanks Blink. However, it is still possible that the duct tape was at the home because Cindy retrieved it from KCs car. But I’m with you, I just think it happened at the house. I don’t know how these people stand themselves.
(coincidence that Elizabeth Smart’s testimony was yesterday also? I think not)
Why would Casey or Amy pay what, 14 bucks a roll for that special tape? I bet that tape was on ’special’ somewhere, being discontinued and ’short dated’ because of it’s technical specialized purpose, it must have some shelf-life to meet those specs. That’s why the expense, that’s why it could be sold off cheap as ‘expired’ but still with tremendous stick power and actual use life for home purposes.
Would you want that extra stick version of duct tape on your beautiful peaches and cream with added tan, skin? It wouldn’t make you very pretty but would stick!
Thanks, Blink, for this article. I am one of the ones who brought up that same quote from the discovery to ask you about the prints. I didn’t realize it was a stupid question until I read this piece. I would not have known the difference between latent lifts and latent ridge impressions! Thanks for all your hard work!
Then it was NOT a stupid question then, was it?
Good for u
B
If George and Cindy used that particular brand of duct tape to post the fliers, (thanks to the Blink and Belich team, we know they did)then George and Cindy must have freaked out when they saw the photos of the “remains”.
wsh, I couldn’t have answered that with any knowledge– Thanks Blink!! Interesting strategy comment– interesting.
Wonder if they haven’t yet decided whether they should involve George and Cindy. We’ve seen both in the media, throwing rages, George violent, his buying a gun, his apparent attack on Casey that was blocked by Jim Campbell.
Will Be George, absolutely.
B
Wasn’t Amy a theater arts student in college? Didn’t she work in theatrical lighting or special effects on a cruise ship’s nightly entertainment for a short time? Wasn’t she working lights or special effects in her work at a cafe’? I seem to recall Amy testing Casey in one text exchange from under a table saying it was close to the end of her shift. What could she have been doing under a table if not being backup for some lighting or other effects?
Wasn’t Amy hoping to work at Universal in some kind of backstage capacity and super friend, event planner, Casey, was going to take Amy’s resume’ to her bosses to help Amy get an interview for a job? Maybe the tape that Amy asked Casey about, left in Amy’s purse when Casey borrowed it, was this rare kind of duct tape needed to withstand hot lights or the like in stage productions. I think Casey said she would look around for the tape. My eyesight is just too poor to go back over all the interviews and documents, but perhaps someone can add to this. Or correct it.
Even more interesting, Blink– I hadn’t thought of George (and remember George refused to answer Ms. Drane-Burdick and actually, in Judge Strickland’s court, objected to relevance when she first asked about Jim’s last name). (George, ex-cop, must have been on the stand at some point in the past, probably quite a few times in court for his work, so he knows it’s not a witness’s place to ‘object’– another reason he walks over Brad).
George has laid low, but for his ‘on video’ violent outbursts of tossing chairs, pushing protestor (with charges), and played the ‘good cop’ being all buddy-buddy and the like to OSCO investigators to maybe get some inside info– he actually asked for information he knew he couldn’t have.
George has also played the quiet, loveable grey-haired gramps, but he’s not so good as Cindy at the stories. (ie: saying he was watching the ‘news’ quickly changed to his ‘food tv’ show). He’ll take the 5th? Then what– for the rest of his life? Being attached to the horrible death and tossing like trash, of his granddaughter?
No one talks about family secrets– do you think this bus headed for George will carry ‘creative implications (aka ‘dirt’) ‘ to make George taking the 5th more believeable as to his hiding something?
They would have to play George as a very sorry character to allow his daughter and wife to go through this. What will be the suggestion? George was angry about not seeing Casey and Caylee all Father’s Day? He was the father of two children, the husband of a loving wife, and the grand’father’ of the baby.
But if George were ‘involved’, he’s got to be a pretty incompetent ‘cop’ to cover up the way he supposedly did– what idiot cop would proceed the way he did, keeping the car around to be found– he had gas cans, afterall.
I dont think he would harn a hair on that baby’s head. I think he was the last person allegedly to see “them”, by his own admission. Even though that was a lie on the 16th, imo, I think the call patterns in conjunction with the Cindy “George did you leave the gate open?”
B
Is this defense of George where Brad comes in? Or is his role really for the defense, and not his ‘client’. Something not right in this picture, especially if Cindy might be behind some of this to implicate George and they share a lawyer.
I have read that the public doc dumbs recently are a couple of dumps behind what the defense has, i too think they know about finger prints and are trying to pressure their defense on everyone in preparation from that bombshell.
From the time of the press conference to last night’s Discovery Review Part One, there has been, over a 36-hour period, nothing short of continuous voices for truth, voices for Baby Caylee.
Kathi Belich set the bar at a new level for direct, live one-on-one media participation in this case, as seen in this most recent press conference. Fascinating to watch and hear other media voices now on-spot challenging the defense statements and interpretations as they roll out. There was a visible turning of the tide. The caller of the presser was not in control. Voices for truth, the voices for Baby Caylee, stepped forward to the front at that presser.
Following, came the analysis’ of the press conference from all realms of media. More voices for truth, voices for Baby Caylee.
Then the NG show, intriguing and informative last night with fill-in host Jean Casarez. Along with Kathi Belich and her discovery of more evidentiary truth, we heard guests like Susan Moss, Marc Klaas and Leonard Padilla offer serious, fascinating dialogue and insight into the judicial quest for the truth. The segment ended with, Jean Casarez: “…everyone is protecting Casey Anthony. Who`s protecting Caylee tonight?” Patricia Saunders, clinical psychologist: “The prosecution is protecting her.”
And big kudos to Blink and team for complementing the days events with a clear tutorial into the technical quest for truth. Your work topped off 36 hours of continuous voices for truth, voices for Baby Caylee.
The coming forward and the timely “coming together” of these many voices, overwhelmed and assured me the truth will prevail, and there will be justice for Baby Caylee.
IMO, what has been accomplished in this mere 36 hours, will affect for quite some time.
I think it very telling in Casey’s text messages that she speaks about the tape and the smell in her car, usully crminals speak of their crimes in some from or another or place themselves in the middle of investigations in someway, they always stay close to the vest to find out what people might know or think. like when someove who starts a fire and tries to help put it out or make comments, like the Huchaby case and how she admitted to see the lil girl…many examples like that happen
So “will be George, absolutely”? Is this for reasons of personality or volatility? Or because George is the one who was at home on June 16 and his story of that day’s events is too finely detailed? Or because (I think) George was the one working in the backyard on July 3? Cindy would make a satisfying target,too, as she and Casey share a particular violent anger that neither is shy about expressing.
Blink, why are you so positive they’ll get their change of venue? It’s so very clear that they (the defense) have sought the attention of national media. I mean, the judge and every single person watching this unfold can see that, so why add even more tremendous costs to the poor taxpayers of Florida? I’d be freaking out if I was paying taxes in that state. Every person I know would be freaking out. It’s disheartening to know that despite us all “freaking out” the judge would go ahead and rule for the move anyway. Disheartening.
It’s way too heavy of an appeal issue, fwiw, I have never expected this case to go to trial and I still do not.
B
Nice work Blink! Ever since I saw Casey I’ve always thought she is way too calm, cool, and confident for this to have been her first murder … which brings me to ask … what about the hair found in the trunk it sounds as though it’s not Casey or Caylee’s?
How will Nancy Grace react to her photo & description as an enemy of the Anthony’s in the Dom Casey internal messgae to Cindy? IMO she’s been more than fair, at times ridiculously biased in favor of & has made too many excuses for the appalling behavior of Cindy & George.
Will this finally make NG see the light & the A’s for the infectious waste they really are?
WSH if there was a gag order in place we wouldn’t be seeing the docs even with the sunshine law. Remember that SA wanted the gag and defense didn’t.
About Amy, no matter what job she wanted or had done I doubt she would be toting her duct tape from work. Besides, she would’ve used electrical tape for the jobs mentioned IMO and she was a waitress who probably lived on a budget. I’m sure the tape she was referring to was bought at the dollar store for household purposes or just that party. Who knows? Special tape in my house is in my husbands tool chest drawer, with a label only to be touched by him or when he can supervise my use (misuse) of it. My tape cost a $1 that I am ‘allowed’ to use. lol I will grab any tape in sight that will work for what I need at that moment and I am sure Casey didn’t read the label when she was looking for tape then either. Good evening everyone.
Anyone heard from Silver or Maura? I am especially worried about Silver. Could they have gotten sick? Can you check on them please Blink? I’m a worrier and it’s on my mind, please check. Doesn’t M usually post at another site? Anyone know where?
I am sensitive to your concern, however, I know you will understand I maintain any posters privacy 1000%. I have no reason to believe they are anything other than active and busy professionals. I have a fondness and great respect for them both.
B
I too can only say “WOW!” Great article. When the FBI report first came out that said it had requested “Exclusionary prints” from George, Cindy and Lee and that had been excluded….my first question was - “Excluded from what…exactly”.
Well, the answer would be - excluded from the print(s) they had found on the duct tape. Which means….they have print(s) on the duct tape. Why else would you need to exclude someone from leaving a print. Duh.
Trust me…if not at trial, sometime before trial it will be learned that there are prints on the duct tape belonging to the killah!! (and I don’t mean ‘killah’ in a positive reference). I do mean Casey Anthony as in killing her daughter, Caylee.
Blink: lets say Casey does plead to a lesser charge. Does she have to stand in front of the Judge ALONE ( I know baez will be there) and tell her story to the Judge, how she did it, why she did it etc? What happens if the Judge rejects the excuse or explaination?
In theory, yes, she does, the judge would have a wide berth, and he is not under any obligation to accept it on it’s merit.
B
Can the SA office ask for the letters sent viz Baez to her parents and brother to check for anything incriminating?
Which hair do people refer to as the hair in the trunk? There’s the hair with the deathband marking, that is consistent with Caylee’s hair but not Caseys hair. There’s the hair that Dr. Lee picked off something, maybe a pop can and not the trunk, or both.
It’s confusing. I think that’s what the defense intends– the defense, instead of talking about ‘a hair’ this and that, they should specifiy what hair they are referring to, and then go on about it in context.
I live in the UK and have followed this case since it first broke in July 2008. This has been terrible case of a beautiful little girl who was murdered , but what has astonished me further , is the disgusting behavior of the Grandparents too. They have been willing to lie, hinder and deny to help their daughter and make as much money as they can off it in the process. I sincerely hope they are all held accountable and sentenced along with Casey. B , I thank you for such an informative website . I am sure that the Anthony’s and their Defence teams Motto must be .. If it walks like a Duck, Talks like a Duck..It must be a Squirrel ? Casey loved going to Bars….now for the rest of her life (hopefully ) she will be surrounded by them !
Whew Blink. That’s what I get for getting to close to the ledge - you always bring me back. I was getting pretty down about the State’s strategy - for a minute. Best Blog in the Blogosphere By far.
Westsidehudson,
No, a gag order would not stop that, a gag order would only silence the key players in the case. And it’s not so much the SOA releasing the info but the media requesting it…remember, they fought the gag order, too. For them it’s a first admendment (FOS and FOP) issue which is exactly what they argued. Their argument(IMO)was better than JB’s…go figure, huh?
#85-Twiglet
Yepp! It is a Squirrel…With way too many NUTS!!!
LOL
Gagging the media is called prior restraint , it’s pretty much censorship of the press which flies in the face of our first admentment. I can’t think of any circumstance that I would agree with doing that except perhaps… a national security issue.
Sorry, Twiglet your comment # changed to 89 or maybe I misread the #.
Casey Anthony will never admit to killing her daughter either accidentally or on purpose. I truly believe she is a psychopath and as we know there are degrees of psychopathy she is one of the rare types that kill and would probably kill again but they rarely admit to their crimes. They do not think of the future so much as dwell on what is making their life uncomfortable at the moment, including mom and dad. They truly believe that they are smarter then their peers and feel they can manipulate people into doing their bidding, if the lies don’t make sense to us they do to someone who lacks empathy. If she does bypass the death penalty and spend the rest of her life in prison, it would be heaven for a psychopath as they thrive on attention be it negative or positive and where else could they find such a stage then in the prison community? The death penalty if served will terrify her until the end, as that will be personal affecting only her.
I hope I am wrong about her confessing as I would like to know just why and how…. but then again can I believe her?
M. Scott Peck
People of The Lie
re: The Malignant Narcissist.
Referrral from one of my contributors, READ IT.
Casey is NOT a psychopath. You will see what I mean
B
The Ants might not like wftv and Belich, but journalists investigating stories is a time-honored tradition - where would Watergate had been without Woodward and Bernstein. During the Manson investigation there was much help by investigating press and also the public - (a 10 year old boy found the gun that Tex Watson used to kill Steven Parent and two others as I recall. I say Kudos to
wftv and Kathy for finding this connection on the duct tape. The press can go many places the police cannot and get tips, leads
and interviews, get photos and videos.
After reading this I am more confused than ever so maybe you can clarify some of your statements. You said that on NO document does it state that no prints were found on the tape. Please see p. 3781 - 3782 her
Great Questione http://www.wftv.com/pdf/18740657/detail.html which is an FBI report that states “the requested latent print examinations were conducted, but no latent prints were detected.”
Also, I can not find any report that states George, Cindy and Lee’s prints were compared and elimenated as far as the tape goes. Care to provide a link?
ppsssst, there is some mystery DNA that was found on the tape. It was found on the adhesive side. Ms. Gottesman’s DNA was found on the silver side. The FBI report stated the DNA on the adhesive side did not meet enough qualifications to be tested and compared.
So I think it could belong to Caylee, Casey, a lab tech or anyone. It’s a mystery. I can provide a link if you would care for one.
Great Question. On your own link you will note that says the tape Q62 and Q64 were examined against elimination prints from George, Cindy and Lee, while I agree it is open to interpretation, that is mine.
Conveniently absent is Q63…..
Yes please, provide the link about the “double contamination”. The way I read that, was that they never had a full profile as you say, but after analyzing Ms. Cottesman’s they determined it to be hers. If there is a secondary from a different side- on which tape exactly? That would be new info to me, tia.
B
Blink — your comment to post #96 — Peck’s People of the Lie. That was me! I see the book resonated with you, as well!
Thank you MS. JAN!
My fond compliments, I loved it and recommend it highly thanks to you
B
Well IMO, this case will go down much like that of Scott Peterson, as the evidense goes..and OJ/Mendes, as the media circus goes..
I read one of those doc’s that stated in 10/08 the FBI still had thwe car..one of the agents was telling another that the car still smelled horrible..Guess that was not pizza!
I read last night all about the Forensic Friction Ridge print, why couldn’t they just say, it’s the print that you leave by impression?
Blink, on the subject of George. Forgive me if you’ve already addressed this. In your response to Kleat’s #76, I am wondering, in your opinion, if he did seem like a straight arrow, why has he turned into a puppet for the defense, and moreover, for Cindy? Now in light of the tape relevance, seeing that the very tape that was found with innocent Caylee, could very well be the same tape they used to hang missing person posters, shouldn’t red flags be going off all around him, telling him that what he probably doesn’t want to accept as truth, is the truth? I would realize how difficult it would be for a father in that situation, but it just seems that the more he tries to cover all of this up, the more disrespect and illjustice he is showing Caylee. I’m just thinking that two wrongs do not make a right
Blink, I did not understand the phrase “Bench Notes”, so I goggled in the words and guess what..it brought up a motion Baez did on 1/28/09..He is asking the same thinks his motion requests.but he speaks about the prints..this motion is a far cry from Linda Baden’s…http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/03/04/amended.pdf
Please check this out!
Oh no Blink, I meant no harm or to invade anyones privacy. I know M had mentioned the other site before and thought if anyone knew the two by email or im to just check on them. I know anonymity and the right to privacy rules and all but…the posters and you especially aren’t just words on my computer! I really care about you guys! I don’t go to bed or work and forget about the people here or Christine or HaLeigh or Caylee, etc. you know what I mean. AND no, I didn’t forget RED! My apologies to all and never any harm meant.
Melissa-
in no way did that require an apology. Your a kind soul.
B
Awesome stuff (<–the limit of my scientific knowledge)! You’ll find my name on the huge thank you card, Blink.
This is a little off topic from this enlightening thread, but as the nails keep pounding on his sister’s fate, I’m thinking it’s time for someone to reach out to Lee. I’m a little on the fence about him. His silence is deafening, if you hear what I’m saying, and I think it’s the most appropriate help he can be to his sister right now, if he even cares about her dilemma anymore at all. I think that he’s the closest in that family to being normal, though I wonder how he’s managed. I’ve know those who have risen above their circumstances, and if he hasn’t yet, now would be a good time. He can’t be real happy with his parents lately, or he’d be at the podium with them. I think he knows the deal, as we all do, hence his silence and his withdrawal from the limelight. It shows he has some wherewithal in drawing a line in the sand, if I’m right.
I’ve never blamed him for his actions during all this. The truth is, nobody’s perfect and nobody really, really knows how they’d react in his situation. As my halo tilts precariously above my head, I’ll shamefully admit that I think it’d be easy for me to tell a lie if I thought it would keep me out of jail. I would also give those in my family the benefit of the doubt as long and as hard as I could possibly muster, no matter what they were accused of. Being an obsessively private person myself, I, like Lee, would take exception to interference in my life unless it was dire, or under my control. I know he took his support of the family to the extreme limits, but he did, eventually, settle down and has for now faded into the sunset.
He tried to be the big brother, and initially he sounded like the voice of reason in explaining to Casey, in true big-brother form, how her situation was not going to go away without the presence of Caylee, period. I don’t think this is the first time he’s been relied on to play mediator in his family’s dysfunction. It didn’t take many of Casey’s lies to throw the entire family into offensive mode, and when one’s not used to being taken to task, as none of them seemed to be, it wasn’t long before they all became (literally) offensive, some more than others.
I think Lee knows the limits of his ability to help his sister though, and I’m hoping his decency and morals are not too deep beneath the surface. I want to think he’s realized the truth and, like many of us, he’s at a loss for what to say or how to defend the behavior of his sibling and parents. Practically, he’s shown that he’s an average twenty-something who has finished high school, gone to college, moved out of the parents house, landed a job that can support him, found a girl…there are many out there who are still struggling for independence at much older ages. And he’s managed to not become estranged from his family, which would be optimal if his family wasn’t so strange. I’m sure I’m showing my age here, but he is just a kid in his twenties, and from what I remember of my twenties, I’m afraid to think how I would have processed what he’s faced.
If he had written to me for advice, I’d tell him how unimaginable it is to be forced to choose between loyalty to his family and to loyalty to himself, and then tell him that it’s his duty to set things straight on behalf of his family, since they clearly cannot do it on their own. He needs to own up to what he knows, and accept that the chips will fall as they will. He can’t be blamed for what Casey did. Even if he was complicit after the fact (Gawd, I pray he didn’t pick the location to dump the body), he’s one that could possibly argue temporary insanity, as I know in finding out my sibling did something like this, I’d go completely over the edge and who know what insanity I’d wreak. He needs to set an example for his sister and parents though, and show them the meaning of ‘temporary’, as in, you can’t keep on, forever and ever, living the delusion that your sister is telling the truth, especially when you really, REALLY know the truth yourself. It’s not healthy, and if he does have decency and morals, the rest of his long, long life will seem miserable and pathetic. And I think, and not so deep down, he does. I hope the vow of silence he seems to have adopted is so he can reflect on his own well-being and future. And finally, I’d send him one of my favorite poems.
The Man In The Mirror.
When you get all you want and you struggle for self
and the world makes you king for a day,
then go to the mirror and look at yourself
and see what that man has to say.
For it isn’t your mother, your father or wife
whose judgment upon you must pass,
but the man, whose verdict counts most in your life,
is the one staring back from the glass.
He’s the fellow to please
never mind all the rest.
For he’s with you right to the end,
and you’ve passed your most difficult test
if the man in the glass is your friend.
You can fool the whole world
down the highway of years
and take pats on the back as you pass.
But your final reward will be heartache and tears
if you’ve cheated the man in the glass.
~Anonymous
I’m pulling for Lee to do the right thing. If he’s on the fence too maybe this will be the encouragement he need. I hope so.
Serious-
Profound. Resonating.
B
Debidoll, the bench notes are the technician or scientist’s notes taken at the time the testing is being done, vs a formal report using those notes. Linda K-B wanted to know precisely what was going on during the testing– vs just the formal typed up report because she is hoping to find something to question, show a discrepency, she’s making sure everything in the bench notes fits with the report, and if there’s something in the notes that’s not needed in the report, she’s prepared to question it.
Like someone seeing a crime, taking down a tag number of the perp on a scrap of paper in their car, then at home, transferring that number to a notebook. Identical… but if the defense learns this, and the original scrap of paper is gone, oops, there’s a question the defense can raise about an error in transcribing the licence number to another paper.
Defense is looking for that same type of thing.
#99 Interesting comment Blink. I googled the term malignant narcissist. One thing stands out and somewhat contradicts Casey’s behaviour……
“Using complex defence mechanisms, such as projective identification, the narcissist forces his victims - spouse, mate, friend, colleague - to “play a role” assigned to him by “God” - the narcissist”.
(http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/narcissism/malignant_narcissism.html)
Jesse Grund stated that Casey was a chameleon (not verbatim). She was the role player within her relationships. Also, I never really perceived Casey as having a ‘God complex’. Definitely narcisstic traits but then again, I’m no expert.
Just an observation.
Post # 103
Go here open up page 4 and be wowed about the fingerprints..
I have noted that this is the same motion filed on 1/28/09 and is Linda Baden motion filed 8/20/09…except here is more intense…How can you file two motions for the same thing 8 months apart? You can really see how vague Baez is.
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/03/04/amended.pdf
Post 104…my message was for you..I was just so taken by the wonderful writing of 103, she locked into my brain…
So post #103…please read the book “The Four Agreements”,…Lee has learned his values and his morals from his parents..I can not help to feel that they let him down in so many ways…I loved your post!
This Casey…
Factor1: “Aggressive narcissism”
Glibness/superficial charm
Grandiose sense of self-worth
Pathological lying
Cunning/manipulative
Lack of remorse or guilt
Shallow affect
Callous/lack of empathy
Failure to accept responsibility for own actions
Promiscuous sexual behavior
Factor2: “Socially deviant lifestyle”
Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
Parasitic lifestyle
Poor behavioral control
Lack of realistic, long-term goals
Impulsivity
Irresponsibility
Juvenile delinquency
Early behavior problems
Revocation of conditional release
The post # 108 is a combination of both[edit] Malignant narcissism on the spectrum of pathological narcissism and psychopathy..this is Casey as was Diane Downs.
Cindy did an interview on November 26, 2008 with a WFTV reporter while standing along the dark street, presumably outside the Anthony home. With camera lights on her, cars with lights heading towards them on the street, now with what we know about possible drug dealers/gun runners/money launderers and the fear of physical harm to the Anthony family, even with Casey safely tucked in her jailcell, looking at this video now, seems to be a very risky position to be in. Easily a car could drive along and put an end to the interview with a bullet spray, easily a car could speed up and ram the people under bright lights for the camera.
1. Cindy had, only ten days prior to this interview, sent ‘men to search those woods’, and she may have known by this date, that Caylee had been killed and her body dumped in those woods near their home. If not Casey, then the risk to be outside in the dark, blinded by camera lights, setting themselves up as a target. Note the car lights behind the interview– easily could have driven by. It seemed a risk that Cindy at least, did not take seriously.
2. About Kathi Belich– I beg you not to listen to the WHOLE thing– at least do so at your own peril of minute after minute of non-stop talking. BUT, let it load and start it at 8 minutes and listen to what Cindy has to say about Kathi Belich after talking about problems with Larry Garrison, and his email about the wrong brush etc etc.
Cindy says: “… if he thinks he can get back at…with me by calling Kathi a friend… which, he’s been telling me for a month now not to trust Kathi Belich and I’ve got nothing against Kathi… Kathi knows that. We buried the hatchet the other day… and you kno… I respect Kathi for what she does. I just wish I woulda got Kathi’s email before she came out with all this paperwork tonight…but unfortunately I was out at dinner. It’s been a long day and I hadn’t eaten since yesterday at noon.”
Cindy goes on to the relationship between the cops and herself, after said ‘brush’ incident and says about the cops and FBI “… no animosity there… especially now that Mark’s not our attorney”.
She blames Mark for being in the way of an open connection to investigators.
So, the baby’s body had not yet been found, the memorial not yet planned…. so it was after this hatchet burying that Cindy’s PI wrote that “Kathi Belich disseminated hatred towards the family”.
The hatchet must have been unburied between this interview and the memorial!
Now I’ll go watch the film Vertigo– can’t get much more dizzying than watching these people go in circles– round and around– back and forth….
thank you for presenting that blink,it was over my head,LOVE the poster tape find also,(that’s more up my alley),NOW iirc (and i am sure i read it ,just cant be sure i’ll find it again,fast(really busy,but been reading everyday): in one of tony’s interview’s he states he found duct tape in his jeep and arranges to turn over to le
Hmm, that I do not recall, I thought it was receipts- Anyone?
B
Blink, if it ends up being that this doesn’t go to trial and a plea deal is brokered, what do you think the options will be for Baez?
Wait, Blink, WHAT tape was taken from the house on 12/11/08? There’s the gas can tape of course, and i’m pretty sure LE saw tape stuck to shelves or something in the garage (sometimes i think that’s where casey got the pieces of tape she used), but i never read about any other tape, except that from the gas can and remains site, going into evidence. Are you saying they took a roll, or what?
is it in discovery somewhere?
You may have me on that one, I thought the tape plus the metal hook thingie it was hanging on were removed from the garage.
B
Was anyone else surprised to learn of the Rev. Richard Grund’s 30 year involvement with the occult? Nothing against him, there’s an attempt to frame his family but wow, that was unexpected & a little disturbing. I’ve always supported Jesse & Richard still do but talk about going from one extreme to the other.
I was not “surprised” as we checked him out and found all of that from day one. Not my particular cup of tea with the occult thing, but I believe strongly he and his family loved Casey and Caylee very much. I find some of his beliefs “out there”, but when that is your business per se, one has to consider how much of that is advertising in a way.
I met him, he seemed like a genuine dad and poppa.
B
Blink,
Thank you for taking the time to give us such an educating post. I get the impression you were just as pissed off as Kathy B. and the rest of us with this last media blast of El Bullcheveeque.
Yes, I would say the public was being mislead statement by Kenney Baden sent me over the edge.
B
Re: The 18 fingerprints in the motion spoke of in an above post:
I read on another site that these fingerprints pertain to prints taken off of the hairbrush, video tapes, etc - and not from the duct tape. Apparently they were looking for prints, on these items, from someone other than Casey - so they could implicate an unknown party.
Does anyone else have any info on this?
Thats correct, Baden got it wrong, it is in part 2
B
# 110_KLEAT_
“Cindy goes on to the relationship between the cops and herself, after said ‘brush’ incident and says about the cops and FBI “… no animosity there… especially now that Mark’s not our attorney”.
She blames Mark for being in the way of an open connection to investigators.”
HUH??
That is a bold faced lie. Where is that?
B
Have a great day all.
I have to add that it appeared to me, at least, in the time when NeJame was ‘repping’ the Anthonys, he was trying to keep them quiet, for the most part, in press conferences, etc. They just kept piling on more inconsistent statements, I believe he was trying to put a stop to that, WHICH WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE HELPED THEM.
I wonder if there is any regret, now, that they didn’t heed that advice.
Although I can not know what really transpired between them, NeJame made it clear that he didn’t represent Casey.
This is not going to be popular. I disclose my friendship with Mr. Nejame as you know. There is zero doubt in my mind that Casey Anthony would have plead out this case by now if the Anthony’s would not have blown it with his counsel.
B
i have a quesiton from the motion that 106 posted anyone:)
why did biazz ask for all contracts, records of payment,documents, memo’s or any written itemss, including but not limited to drafts proposals or otherwise involving andy MEDIA Shows by with and or between Orange County Office of Chief medical examiner Dr. Jan Garavalglia or her agents or related media entitles including but not limited to Discovery Channel, Discover Health, or it’s media company that produces on behalf of the same? what is he pulliing at here…all becouse she has a media show that she is not qualified? i remember a week or 2 ago Wesh’s Bob Keiling tried to interview her about Caylee’s autopsy and she did not want to speek about it a whole lot..actually didn’t speak much of it? so is this a way for him to try to discredit her finds?
First let me say “Thank You” for all you have done for Caylee. I am in awe with this article and with you. That is why I have followed you from Websleuths, to scared monkeys, to here. No fear, I’m not a stalker, you have impressed me from the beginning with your knowledge and ability to point out those things some of us just don’t see. I am confused about one thing. You have said you think this case will plead out, but on post #15 you say, ” It does not matter because I do not believe her attorney will”. What am I missing?
1. I do not believe this defense team will stay intact for the duration, should the case make it to trial.
2. I do not believe it has been explained to her that the overwhelming odds that she will spend the rest of her life in prison far outweigh any delusions that she can beat this. I think we are watching the reality of the size of your wallet is equal to the defense one can mount.
All of which, do nothing to memoralize a 34 month old baby that was discarded in a swamp, where apparently many meter readers go to pee.
B
TY for your kind words.
[...] Blink on Crime is quoted as [...]
I’ve tried 5 times to post the link with the comments (quoted) by Cindy about Mark being the problem in the communication between ‘them’ and the investigators… not one comment, but two…
I’ll keep trying, but this is not taking my posts this morning… I have the link for you Blink!!
my post REFUSES to be accepted!
This will be the 7th time–
westsidehudson and Blink and all to my post #110 above:
(and boy do I have a newly found APPRECIATION for the unsung heros of the court system– COURT REPORTERS and TRANSCRIPTIONISTS!!!)
Here’s what Cindy said about Mark NeJame, giving him the blame for– well this speaks for itself:
WFTV Reporter’s Question: “Are you concerned investigators could take this as… [Cindy interrupts and answers over him at this point] …as you are trying to deceive them?”
Cindy: “NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT, you know I think if…I think if there’s a problem… you know, in fact, after tonigh-today when we were at the uhm…ahh… at the hearing today in Judge Strichh–Strickland’s chamber… or courtroom, I went over to Nick Savage, FBI, and we’re planning a pow-wow next week.
I mean there’s no animosity there. OK?
They know that at anytime, they can pick up the phone especially now that Mark’s not our attorney, and you know… saying “don’t talk to them” uhm we…I certainly have no problem.
I’ve reached out to them for a long time… they have been unable to speak to us because of Mark…for the last couple months and I think that’s where there’s been some down communication with them.”
Link—> http://www.wftv.com/video/18149829/index.html
just before 8:00 minutes in point– get the Kathi Belich part, followed by the comments about Mark Nejame around 10 seconds later.
My post just won’t work– I have the transcribed part of Cindy’s conversation about blaming Mark’s involvement as a problem in their communication with investigators. I’ll try to post that again sometime, maybe just the link will work for now:
8 min mark for Cindy talking about Kathi Belich, another 10 seconds or so, for the Mark comments…
http://www.wftv.com/video/18149829/index.html
well that posted I will try the link for the 9th time– maybe the ‘link’ is interferring with my posts:
http://www.wftv.com/video/18149829/index.html
Now I have lost my transcribed conversation from that– darn–
Blink!!! I add to the chorus of so many others (including kameronj #96) in commenting on this latest of your posts: WOW - you are AWESOME!!
I lost it when LKB stated in the media blitz with Baez on Today Show that “nothing links my client to the crime scene.” WHAT CRIME SCENE??!! The wooded area was only the dump site.
Also - I know that I’ve asked this before perhaps on another site… what about that curious “old ID card” that Lee mentions in his initial interview with OCSO …Is that a fake drivers license that Casey had in Zenaida Gonazlez’ name?? Will we ever know what that ID taken from Casey’s wallet the night police were called ever was - and wouldn’t that information already have to be part of disclosure?
Thanks so for all you do!
jnpgh
Question– what changed with Brad entering the picture as part of the so-called ‘joint defense’ that allowed the Anthony’s to speak to investigators when with Mark NeJame, there was no ‘joint defense’ with him and they could NOT speak to investigators!? Makes no sense.
I just read every post and reply with it Blink….WOW! I truly do not know what to make of all this insanity. Funny how high priced lawyers and prints apparently do not mix. I read read and reread all the papers that come out and I get lost in it all. What the defense tries to dispprove all already without even being in a trial is amazing and amusing at the same time. Maybe some of this evidence should NOT be made public. This is sad to say being tried in the public forum right now. Whether they move the trial or not, just where would they want it moved to the fricken moon? This is a very very high profile case. People have been following it for months. I do not even think the moon would be a good option. I have long agreed with you, that if her lawyers were really smart, my god, by the evidence we have all already read SHES GUILTY as all hell. JUNK SCIENCE? The only thing here that is junk is their half assed theory that she is INNONCENT! We all know that her crack defense team know she is guilty…Grandpa Munster and Grandma dearest can not be this stupid to think she didn’t do it. Im suprised thay haven’t blames the butler….HA HA ! This whole darn murder case is in BLACK and WHITE for all to see. She is as guilty as the day is longgggg….It is amusing to see the defense scream “junk science” when they themselves have used the very same science before. I am sure the longer this drags out….the more proof comes out….they are gonna need to face Casey’s demise…..They are gonna have to sit her the heck down and explain to her (or try too) that she needs to fess up to her killing her daughter……They need to cop a plea. PERIOD! There has got to be one rational lawyer on the defense team who is starting to think this is not looking good……One thing that needs to be done is to keep ALL DEFENSE LAWYERS the heck off of TV…SHUT Cindy and George mouths (with duct tape) and keep these two nit wits off TV as well. Lee is the key…I pray he will do the right thing…..As well as thess high priced lawyers…….Thanks blink…..Sorry for kinda rambling….but this case has dragged on way too long….too much public knowledge of issues and I for one would lust like her to either fo to trial or COP a PLEA deal……Thanks
Blink- Could you elaborate on why you think she would have attempted to plead this case out? In order to plea she would have to admit to some sort of culpability and from everything we’ve seen she has denied any involvement.
Not sure I understand your question Peggy, would you mind clarifying?
B
I went through the documents released in February to see if I could find duct tape removed from the Anthony’s house. LE didn’t take a roll but there was duct tape on metal brackets that they entered in evidence. LE labeled a piece of duct tape from the woods at Q-100 and mentioned it was Henckle duct tape.
Two other things caught my eye. Maybe this has been discussed before but these things were labelled as Q-133 and Art#3. I noticed that a lot of evidence were not labelled as such, so I think they may be more significant?
One object was found inside the “World of Disney” bag found within inches of the skull. In it was a Gatorade bottle “with unknown liquid substance with white sediment, possible toilet paper roll cardboard, and unknown item(possible syringe in wrapper)!! inside of roll within bottle, (Item was inside ‘world of disney’ bag”).
The other was a pregnancy test!
oh oh!! They missing posts appeared! Blink is a magician!!
Q: Whose FAULT is it then??? ….. A: ABSOLUTELY not MY fault!!!!
(the subject of the coming ‘theme song’ for this Anthony family saga)
hehe… sorry about that, but I maybe the links go into a separate hold netherfile… ahhh… I was seeing the ‘non link containing posts and that Sports Connection page was confuddling.
Kleat- we are moderated, not instamatic, and Blink was mommying this morn
B
Thank you Blink (#121). Now I understand. Did I also mention that in addition to your “mind blowing knowledge”, you are also very funny?
TY Susan 2.
I am here all week, try the veal.
B
Oh, Kleat, I can so feel your posting frustration and having to type out the contents of a link as a last resort, that I am laughing so hard out of sheer “been there” camaraderie.
If I didn’t install a Bette Davis seatbelt on my cheese I would be ROTFL. Wait, I have to wipe my eyes.
Okay, seriously now, it was about 2pmCT when your morning posts appeared on here for me to see (and with all your links working, too).
Perhaps the links don’t work until posts actually “get posted” upon moderation. (?)
Peggy, I feel almost like you are the type person who knows a lot about a lot of things.
Your posts are very interesting. You certainly give me pause and make me wonder…
IMO, Casey will make a plea deal after the first of the year. Andrea Lyons new book will be released and she can receive part of the glory of the case and of course the golden cash egg! Baez will not look so bad and will have made a name for himself. His gollden cash egg will come too!
I agree when her motions fail there is nothing in it for her, and I think she is a very capable attorney, so Baez will hold no further interest for her.
B
Kleat and Blink
ooops, your (132) post wasn’t up when I took way too long to post my comments to Kleat.
Sorry about that,I was commenting on your response to question # 119.
Here’s the quote:
“There is zero doubt in my mind that Casey Anthony would have plead out this case by now if the Anthony’s would not have blown it with his counsel.” -Blink
My question to you is- Why do you think that Casey would ever try to work out a plea agreement with the state? In order to do that the defendant has to admit to some sort of responsibility or culpability in the crime and from what I’ve seen she’s never once come close to doing so, it’s actually been just the opposite, she’s denied everything. She’s waivered once that I can think of and that is when she was in the hallway at Universal, she actually admitted a lie but it was only a wobble of sorts b/c she started right back with the crazy story about ZG.
Thank you and good question.
Casey was indicted prior to Caylee being found. I dont think the possibility of her going to prison for the rest of her life was ever in play for her. She was indicted prior to Caylee being found, then she was. What are the chances Baez put the screeching hault on their strategy and explained to her her chances of dying in prison or dying in prison were now?
Doubtful.
B
Kleat, LOLOL…I just posted one and poof there it is! Then I post another one and it’s gone too, so when it shows up, just forget that “pop-up blocker” stuff. Sometimes, if it’s under 25 words, it shows for me instantly. Other times, when MommyB is multi-tasking, it takes a while and still other times….there are gremlins or maybe some whodovoodoo but theyjustbegone!
Blink, I think Todd should go first….then LKB…then AL…then the others but I do think they will go one by one and Jose will stay till the end, proclaiming her innocence and blaming everyone and their sister, mother, brother and dad because he is doing and will have done such a bang-up, great job, being The Queen’s Counsel, Chief Pettifogger!!
I’m wondering if the reason Lyons wants the Anthony’s to have visits with Casey is to try and convince her to take a plea deal?????…….and why they don’t want the visits video taped and released to the public….
I think Ms. Lyon needs to hear from her mouth that she is aware of the consequences and odds, astute observation.
B
Kleat…calm down before you have a cow, LOL! Try turning your pop up blocker off for blinkoncrime because that is how I have lost post before.
Cindy does, in fact say that Mark was the obstacle between them and LE. She says Mark wouldn’t let them talk to FBI and now finally, they are going to be able to work with Nick Savage since Mark is no longer representing them. She blames everyone else for all the problems and Mark probably thanks his Lord everyday that he is “done with her”.
You know what really struck me watching this 11:27 minutes of double-talking, bs-walking, excuse-making, coverherazz-raking, duo-speaking, spoiled bologna-stinking DIATRIBE? There was no fear in her. I mean, I would be feeling extreme fear over Caylee, over the lies I may have told, over those evil kidnappers coming to kill us all. But not Cindy; no fear of the dark, no fear of the Feds, no fear of anyone or anything. Spewing castigation for everyone. Folks, there is only one perfect person in this woman’s world…her own self. She starves herself for others, and tries to defend and fight for all of us who are just plain beneath her intellect and glory, she walks amongst mere mortals when she is by her own accounts and statements, a SAINT. Yes, she is a saint, a wonderful mother, nurse, daughter…never giving herself the time love and energy she “knows” she should give herself but nay-nay…she “bleeds” all of the following which i copied and pasted from dictionary.com…
perfection; perfectness; indefectibility; impeccancy, impeccability., pink, beau ideal, phenix, paragon; pink of perfection, acme of perfection; ne plus ultra; summit., cygne noir; philosopher’s stone; chrysolite, Koh-i-noor., model, standard, pattern, mirror, admirable Crichton; trump, very prince of., masterpiece, superexcellence(goodness); transcendence (superiority).
Sweetest Blink, who I admire so greatly
Please delete duplicate posts I might have made lately!
Blink- Re: Post #130 & Plea Bargain question….. I have often wondered the same thing….
Can you elaborate on why you believe a plea will be entered? IMO, this is correct since the DP is on the table and the former is a better option than the result of the latter.
Is this also why you contend and state that this case is not going to make it to trial? Because someone on Baez’s team is finally going to do the right thing and save the taxpayers thousands of $$$ …..I seriously don’t think that Baez & Co., or George & Cindy want the gravy train to dry up. How sad, they will suck it dry to the end. Every time one thinks of that innocent little baby girl, it’s enough to bring tears to your eyes and a pang in your heart all over again.
I believe prints on the tape will ring more like premeditation, because honestly, giving Casey the benefit of the doubt is no longer an option if they are there. Who would take that gamble?
B
#137 Peggy,
You have made me think seriously about being “justified” in my belief of guilt, though I matter not…only the jury and God matter in that decision, and I thank you for that but I do disagree with your statement, “She’s waivered once that I can think of and that is when she was in the hallway at Universal, she actually admitted a lie but it was only a wobble of sorts b/c she started right back with the crazy story about ZG.” She has waivered so many times I have lost count. There was a post done not too long ago by Maura, I think, and it listed all the wobbling and waivering and there were many small, medium and large changes in her stories. The change from the stairs at Sawgrass to JBP and being held down by a firm grasp on her arm by Zaneida is a large one to me.
I kind of wonder what passes for ‘occult’ for the good Rev Richard Grund. Was it thirty years of reading his horoscope in the newspaper every day, topped off by enjoying Harry Potter? Or was it the real deal (whatever the real deal is)?
Blink, I have a question. I was going over some of the Results of Examination. This is from last paragraph on page 9587
No apparent transfer of textile fibers was detected between specimens from the remains/crime scene Then is goes on to list the specific speciments by Identity letter/number such as Q59,Q60, etc..
My question is….. Am I to assume the 8 items/specimens that they Left Out of that sequence in this statement DID have a transfer of textile fibers detected.
I can only speak to the textile evidence I quoted in the piece, other than that I would be speculating
B
Per Florida law JB is not qualified to handle a DP case…if AL leaves this case he’d have to get another DP attorney to take her place.
Yes, he would, not a big issue.
B
Blink you know I’m trying to light a whole room with a 40 watt bulb so are you saying that Baez might have hoodwinked Casey into believing she has a chance on earth to get out of this? That would only be for his own financial gain, right? Help. I know this creep in custody is smart enough to know what is going on but could he be lying to her about what they have until it’s time to say bye bye see ya on tha row. Fl death row that is.
Not lying, omitting.
B
This may be out of place, except there seems to be a very thoughtful group of people on this site. Is there any collected data for voice analysis done on recorded 911 calls? Remember there were not one, but three called into LE thirty one days after the last day CMA was seen on video tape.
Unfortunately, I’m not in the least convinced that there were any latent print or ridge prints discernable on the duct tape that was on Caylee’s mouth after so many months of being exposed to the elements. I, like everyone else here, hope that there were, but I don’t believe so at this point. I DO hope that you’re right Blink - simply because they would make a simple matter simpler but despite reading everything here and everything everywhere else, I’m not convinced of this in the least.
Fair asessment Pink
B
Just watched Cindy’s rant (thanks for the link Kleat!). I found myself actually trying to catch my breath. It was like someone literally wound her up and let her go. OMG! And I agree with ProvokingP. She is so full of herself, there was no sign of sadness for her missing granddaughter, none at all during that 11 minutes on camera. I used to think she was on some heavy duty drugs, but I’m thinking that’s the real Cindy. That’s what her family has lived with for all those years. She’s always right. She never shuts up. She won’t let you even get a word in edgewise. Can you imagine what life in that house must have been like?? Scary.
Oh,Apologies Blink—appears as if my question got posted after you answered it depth with other inquiries before it. =)
Following your thought process now…. this will be interesting how it all plays out. And as you have reminded us all along—there ARE prints = more nails in Casey’s coffin. Still think that it’s positive conjecture that the case will not even make it to trial…. but it’s good reasoning and hopefully you will be correct yet once again!
…….Just can’t see the Anthony family (who are so deep in denial) EVER admitting to anything—-especially Casey. Also don’t think we will ever hear from Lee again—his silence does mean something, indeed. After it’s all said and done, he or Cindy will probably write a tell-all book. I agree with others…. Casey Anthony will take her deep, dark secret with her to her grave and never speak about what she did to her beautiful child ever again.
*********** JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY ************
While driving out to the pumpkin patch this afternoon, I had some time to think and, of course, my mind automatically goes to Casey Anthony. (I really wish it wouldn’t that!) Was thinking about when she had the opportunity to talk to one person in her family alone and she chose her father. We’ve been led to believe that she hated him. So why choose daddy? I think it’s because she knows she’s safe when it comes to Cindy and Lee. They are both on her side no matter what is said and/or proven to be the truth. Cindy is an excellent pathological liar and Lee’s expertise falls somewhere between outright lying and cleverly dodging the questions. Then there’s George…. He’s the weak link in that family dynamic and Casey knows it. She’s got to get to him, talk to him, get him to feel sorry for her, possibly get him to feel guilty about what’s happened. He’s the one who has the conscience; he’s the one who wants the truth; he’s the one who’s the former cop and has questioned a lot of things over the past 15 months. Maybe that was the reason for Casey’s crying jag at the last hearing. She only has a few opportunities to get daddy totally into the family storyline. He’s not a good liar; we’ve all seen way too much evidence of that. She knows that too. So she has to get to him on a different level. And now maybe it’s her tears that will do it. Or maybe the tears were because she knows that if she goes down for this, it will be because of that man who was right in front of her. Daddy’s gonna crumble and Casey’s gonna pay.
Amy left the following message on Casey’s Facebook on May 26, the day after the Anything But Clothes party:
“You lost my duct tape. I was excited to have so much left. That’s why (sic) I get for giving you my purse.”
Well then Maura, I would say Amy had duct tape at one time, thanks.
What did you make of her lack of memory on the issue?
B
#141, ProvokingPoirot: Your comments about Cindy’s ego appear to be lifted out of my very own psyche. I could not have said it better myself. Quoting Cindy: “…I went over to Nick Savage, FBI, and we’re planning a pow-wow next week.” Note the use of the word ‘WE.’ Most anyone else would have said “Nick Savage has agreed to meet with me,” of words to that effect.
Cindy views herself as a peer of an FBI agent; she is Mr Savage’s equal. Cindy showed the same attitude with the sheriff’s office, saying things like “Here’s what I want you to focus on.” “Here’s who I think you should look into.” “Here’s what you need to do.” (All paraphrased, of course, & just examples.)
Today I read the “Characters of Interest” list, in reality just a list of those banned from Caylee’s memorial service. Most of those banished are accused of “Disseminating hatred towards the Family.” (Note the capitalizing of “family.”) I did get quite a laugh out of it, as the whole list is just absurd, but at the same time I felt my blood chill.
This list, coupled with Cindy’s threats to Tim Miller (paraphrased): “Do not try to cross my family. You will not win,” clearly indicate that Cindy thinks she has the power of a Mafia don, & relishes wielding such abusive power. Every single person who utters an opinion on this case that runs counter to Cindy’s dictates is seen as launching a personal attack.
Reading the contents of Cindy’s emails and this “Characters of Interest” list has brought out such feelings of disgust & revulsion toward Cindy. While I have not held a high opinion of Cindy since decomposition mysteriously turned into pizza, reading this stuff in the doc dump convinces me that Cindy is truly a vile human being. She is beneath my contempt.
Blink,
I hope you are right about the plea deal, but do you think Cindy may try to stop Casey if it comes down to that in some way? I feel as if Cindy’s motives for protecting Casey aren’t really because Casey is her daughter, I believe Cindy is trying to protect “her own image”, and that of her family. Cindy doesn’t want to be remembered as the mother of a convicted murderer… I would think deep inside Cindy despises Casey for what she has done to Caylee. Not to think about what has happened I believe she goes on this crazy mission of trying to protect Casey because it takes her mind off of what happened to Caylee. How sad for Caylee…My heart just breaks that Caylee has been forgotten by her own family.
#67…. Trauma, Casey had no Trauma. The only think she feared was
Cindy…… she was scared shitless of her mother.
2. Duct Tape; when there is a hurricane on our heals,one
get to the home depot, or any store for that matter. All supplies
sell out fast. You are stuck with what is left onthe shelf. So
I believe that is how they come into this special tape. when you
have no shutters, we use tape to protect our windows from blowing
in… keeps all the glass together. The stronger the better, I
wounder if there is any residue on the windowns at the ant’s home.
If you don’t get it off fast after the storm, the sun will melt it
quick… so maybe that is why they had that kind. Nice and Strong!
I think she bought it for the party. She sent Casey an email just before the party saying she had an idea for a costume that involved cutting up and then taping a tube top and skirt that she planned to purchase when she got off work a few hours before the party. She only had it in her possession for a few hours since she bought it for the Anything But Clothes party and it had disappeared by the next day.
That’s why she complained that Casey had lost a roll that still had a lot left - she had just bought it and hardly used any of it (although Troy Brown has a lot of duct tape on him at that party to hold up his plastic bubble wrap costume, so she probably shared it).
When she was asked about the duct tape, after the discovery of the remains on December 11, the party had been seven months earlier. To me, there is nothing suspicious about her failure to recall having had a roll of duct tape since she had it for less than 24 hours seven months earlier.
I don’t expect people to have perfect memories and instant recall, especially about things that were fleeting and did not have any significance at the time they happened.
I agree Maura. I did not and do not find anything Amy H said suspect.
Page 3380 of discovery http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740699/detail.html
On Dec. 14, OCSO met with Tony Lazarro and Amy H, and neither could “remember Casey ever having in her possession any packing supplies (IE duct tape)” or for that matter, what she stored her dirty laundry in.
Gawd, I sure hope they asked them specifically about duct tape instead of vaguely asking about packing supplies. I don’t think of duct tape as a packing supply, I think of packing tape and tape guns and boxcutters and cardboard boxes and paper as packing supplies. I think of duct tape as something you use for repairs.
So maybe Amy didn’t lie—maybe she just didn’t realize they were asking about duct tape.
Great article, Blink! Jeanine Pirro, former Westchester DA - now TV Judge, was on Fox & Friends this morning stating some of the very same disinformation & flawed analysis you’ve disproved in this post. Looks like she should spend a little more time studying the material she’s being brought on as an expert to comment on. Or at the very least, read Blink On Crime.
She actually took a couple of shots at bloggers, as if they didn’t have credibility because they blog. Her comments were in reference to a woman who’s returning a baby she adopted 18 months ago because she failed to bond with the child. Evidently the adoptive mom blogged about her experiences with this newborn baby boy who was found abandoned by a roadside in South America. I failed to see the point she was trying to make with regard to blogging.
I was fond of Judge Pirro in her jurisdiction, not terribly far from me. I have learned with few exceptions, pundits are not journalists or researchers. They are reacting to information they are given. For me, I choose to intelectually invest in original content. Non-blogger types blame bloggers because if they substantiate them, they would have to read there.
B
First of all, I like your style Blink, and even more than your style, I admire your tenacity. I’ve been going back…waaay back…listening to and watching vintage Cindy (yes my head is pounding), but what I cannot find is the bond hearing video…I mean the Whole Cindy Episode in its entirety. I had it at one time,so I know it exists. There are snippets of it on youtube, the longest being seven minutes and some seconds, but I need the whole enchilada. Can anyone help?
Blink and Maura, I’d like to know for sure, that it was Amy who posted that to Casey’s Facebook– and not Casey using Amy’s computer.
I only know of Amy, what I have heard her say in her interview audios, and one media video, and read most of the available text messages, but taking that limited knowledge into experience, something does not seem to be ‘Amy’. This is a young woman who is a good friend to Casey, even to the point of lending her, her car, even after Casey jammed out on her about helping her pick up her car in Jacksonville. Amy helped when Casey asked, and even with the ‘missing cash’ and Casey’s ’story’ of Amy sleepwalking, Amy wasn’t posting to Casey about that– she took her lumps (as far as we have heard) and accepted that money was gone.
Amy took a polygraph, didn’t she? Because that could surely help investigators discover whether there was a tape issue or not, and if there is deception about something as ‘innocent’ as duct tape on May 26th. It seems that Amy wouldn’t have any reason to lie and even so, she took a polygraph, didn’t she? That would certainly be a question that investigators would raise.
Mr. Baez just spoke on Geraldo…Geraldo asked Baez why Casey isn’t taking a plea deal…Baez answer was “that’s up to Casey”! Another defense atty. on the show told Geraldo after hearing Mr. Baez speak Baez should have answered- no plea, she is innocent. I guess Mr. Baez himself no longer believes Casey’s innocent?!
I want to pull my own hair after that. All I can say in this demographic.
*bleep*
B
Looking for a video of that Baez latest on Geraldo– and can’t believe that this is on Fox– I thought there was NO blood! What the heck– I’ll check the emails again, but if there was blood, wouldn’t that be slightly big news? (I’m sure there is no blood– I know this is FOX, but really!)
“An FBI forensics lab identified a blood stain outline of a child in the fetal position in the trunk liner of accused child killer Casey Anthony’s car, according to newly released documents.
The information came in an e-mail from FBI Intelligence Analyst Karen B. Cowan to another agency employee written on Tuesday, Sept. 30, 2008.”
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,557480,00.html
Kleat, awesome catch, there is and never was a positive field or lab test for HEMO in that trunk. Let alon the “stain”
nicely done.
B
As per Barb’s post about Baez on Geraldo– Part one is on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgGJ9KnbEYo
Well, Blink, I have to make up for my scrambling attempts this morning to get you a link for that ‘bold faced’ Cindy lie!! I tell ya, that woman wears ya out just trying to keep up with her speed of spewing words! Sorry for the duplicates– but knew you’d be fumin’ if I didn’t get it posted!
Yeah– that bloody stain is so rediculous– what idiot created that– obviously someone who CAN NOT READ!!
I just want to make a correction to my post #60 about the 18 prints. Debidoll also I think referenced this. The 18 prints and 8 print areas are from items in the Anthony home, in particular DVD’s and tapes (Bambi to be specific) and a pump. See:
http://www.wftv.com/news/18530350/detail.html (See pages 18-19) This would be pages 3233 and 3234 of discovery.
When I read LKB’s motion, I wondered where she had gotten info on “18 Prints” and when you go to that page (3233) sure enough, they add up to 18 and the following page discussed the 8 areas in more detail. So, my bad, but wanted to clarify to anyone else that may have had the same impression I did that LKB was referring to print info not yet released. Not so, or so we know, eh?
Narcissism– Oprah picked up on it today with an an article by Erin E. White titled “It’s Time for an Ego Check” http://www.oprah.com/article/spirit/emotionalhealth/20090907-orig-time-for-ego-check
The online article begins with a general dictionary definition:
“Narcissistic Personality Disorder is characterized especially by an exaggerated sense of self-importance, persistent need for admiration, lack of empathy for others, excessive pride in achievements, and snobbish, disdainful, or patronizing attitudes” — Merriam-Webster Dictionary
wpgmouse, lol on the seatbelts for your cheeze!! (do you usually sit on your foodstuffs???
Usually the posts show up on my computer, even before they send. It was only the posts with the links added, that didn’t work last night and today– but thinking about it, this site is growing, and so it’s not surprising that it’s taking more time, and more controls to manage. Even for our own amazing Blink! Really– it’s hard enough to keep up with reading here, nevermind Blink reading everything with enough attention to comment on so many posts and also keep up with writing and investigating, and mommy-dutying.
‘post’– ’send’– what the heck, I give up on keeping my words straight!!!
(I have to cut down on the Cindy videos… to maybe one per every couple months, at most!!)
Be gentle, I’m new. I saw your site on the discovery, if Cindy wanted you shut down… I had to come! I was wondering about page 132 of the docs. It says there is 2 metal brackets with duct tape. I never noticed this before.. do they need the Belich (gotta love her) tape evidence. Why have we not heard anything about this tape? I have to believe it’s the same.
This statement below on top of 31 days seals the deal for me! This has been my feelings from the beginning in regards to the A’s fingerprints being excluded (Cin, Geo, Lee) NOT CASEY! No brainer.
Thanks Blink, best article to date IMO you Rock!
“Ppppssst. There are 2 other samples of the duct tape, all 3 latent results have not been released except to say that George, Lee and Cindy have been excluded.
Wouldn’t you have to have a control latent to compare them to in order to exclude A N Y O N E?
Their ARE prints, folks. Eazy Peazy.”
#161 Lori,
I always check out Sierra 1947 on you tube she(?) has all the posting of everything and or Floridakatz both great sites Nifter Media is another great one.
Blink I hoe that was ok to share.
I hoe, no I am not a hoe I mean hope
Kleat thanks for this small reminder video, I watched it again and I am confused, I don’t understand how a grandmother could spew so much garbabge out of her mouth and show so much anger, this was in October of last year I think (correct me if I am wrong)just a few short months since her granddaughter had been missing, I think back to watching Sharon Rocah (Laci Petersons Mom) and Danielle Vandam mother speak to the press during the time their daughters were missing and during the trials and I don’t think I remeber a time once that they didn’t have tears in their eyes, eyes swollen from lack of sleep, total saddness visble in the every aspect of their being begging and pleading for the return of their children, I don’t think arguing with the media and other folks about silly issues that, I would think, don’t matter, the only thing that would matter would be finding the child period. I saw rage and I doubt it was over Caylee being missing.
Cindy just rants and rants for 11 minutes, I would have spent that precious 11 minutes on tv begging and pleading for my grandchild, did she even at the end of this video say “oh and by the way, if you know where my granddaughter is please call, if you have her please bring her home we want our grnaddaughter back”…Answer….NOPE
I can’t wait to see this mess end and watch Cindy eat a huge plate of Crow. Do you think they serve that at the Ritz?
http://www.wftv.com/video/18149829/index.html
#60 Kew **BRAVO**
Bing Bango, how did that taste Baaaeeeez?
159 Suz
THANK YOU!!!
I’ve been as caught up as everyone else in the “Amy contradicted herself” speculation, Amy Huizenga and Tony Lazzaro were asked if they could recall whether CASEY ever had packing supplies like duct tape; they weren’t asked if they personally owned duct tape, so there is no contradiction between Amy’s statement to OCSO and the May 26 message she left on Casey’s Facebook page: “You lost my duct tape. I was excited to have so much left. That’s why (sic) I get for giving you my purse.”
From a supplemental report:
“On December 14th, Corporal Edwards and I visited Anthony Lazzaro at his residence. When asked, Anthony couldn’t remember Casey ever having in her possession any packing supplies (IE: Duct tape). He also didn’t recall what Casey would use to story dirty laundry. Anthony allowed us to look through his apartment for any plastic bags. We found no black plastic bags similar to the ones found with the body.
We then met with Amy Huizenga at her residence. When asked, Amy couldn’t remember Casey ever having in her possession any packing supplies (IE: Duct tape). She also didn’t recall what Casey would use to store dirty laundry. We saw no black plastic bags similar to the ones found with the body. Amy still had the gas can she purchased with Casey in late June. She voluntarily relinquished this item to Corporal Edwards. The empty gas can was later submitted into evidence.” (Discovery page 3380)
# 155 Marcy…agree that the Anthonys resemble a mob family –the Sopranos — on a couple of levels. First and foremost, they’re all… ACTORS! Give these people SAG cards!
Cindy’s rambling, never-ending “poor me, I’m starved and sleepless but such a wonderful mother” monologues. Gack! All the LE guys have to be seeing therapists.
George’s smarmy attempts at shmoozing with LE. He’s just one of the LE guys and “leveling” (as long as Cindy and Lee aren’t around) followed later by his fits of orchestrated sissy pique. (How DARE you, sir! Cue eyebrow lift. How dare you!”)
Lee’s Romeo-inspired CMA outburst’s at the memorial and his fiercly feminine-like web rants to friends about his ex-lover.
Then there’s Casey’s first appearance in court wearing the blue hoodie and a sly smile like a starlet on the red carpet. “Ready for my close up, Judge!” And of course sweetheart’s little fists of fury demonstration when she and mom competed for star turns at the clink.
Starring the *Anthony Thespians* and a cast of… a few odd lots.
(Speaking of odd, is anybody else curious about the full story of Casey’s and Lee’s mix and match love affairs with the CA marine and his “psycho ex-wife”? (Okay, I’m bad. Too gossipy. Will never come into trial.) Remember Casey’s texted reason to somebody for her staying away from the Anthony home for nine days? “D-r-a-a-m-a…”. For once, she could be telling the truth.
The second way (a little more subliminal)in which the Anthony’s resemble the Sopranos is that because the heavy psych stuff going down for lo these many years, the family is a closed shop. Insular and united against outsiders. In that small world, they decide what is a crime and how they and only they (read Cindy) will administer the just punishment for said wrong-doing.
Misdeeds? We’ll take care of it. What happens in the family, stays in the family. That’s the reason why few outsiders, especially not LE, were called during those red-flagged 31 days. Worry was eating Cindy alive, but all the concern stayed close to the family vest. Cindy forgot the script for the Missing Caylee episode, and in her real panic, extemporized and called 911. That is what is driving them all bughouse, now.
In her world, Cindy decides Casey’s guilt herself, and administer the correct punishment. Detective, judge, jury — that’s Cindy. If she hadn’t made those fateful calls to LE, she’d have been telling friends and relatives a heart-rending story about Casey and Caylee making a new start to bond somewhere on a distant planet. If that tape wouldn’t play, Cindy would have another one ready in much the same way she could always devise a different paternity for Caylee.
Poor little Caylee was just a supporting player in the Anthony drama. She had/has such a tiny voice in that family. I can’t abide them.
Kleat, the problem with Casey posting a message ostensibly from Amy on her own facebook page is that Amy would or could see it and say to herself or to casey or others, hey, that’s weird, I didn’t post that message. THAT is something that would stand out in one’s mind, as opposed to (as Maura said) an otherwise insignificant roll of tape.
Are you thinking the duct tape part of the crime (may 26 facebook message plus use of tape on caylee) was premeditated in order to frame Amy? Interesting if so, but I think with Casey’s (low, imho) level of criminal genius, she would have left Amy’s stack of resumes at the scene, or planted something in Amy’s car while she had it instead of doing weeks-ahead planting of a facebook message. For me it always comes down to whether the same dunce who doesn’t seem to know what to do with the dead body is capable of premeditating anything—much less something as subtle as a duct tape message.
BLINK: I asked this question yesterday…if Baez and his ensemble knew back in March that there are prints…did he tell the Anthonys? If he did tell the Anthonys, why would they continue this behavior? I mean denial is one thing but when LE says…okay GA and CA we do have prints on the tape, covereing Caylee’s mouth and those prints belong to your daughter you would think they would stop this madness.
Yesterday early on I brought up the Amy tape story and the reason I did is because although I am not good at remembering every detail to this case some of her lies have stuck with me…Isn’t it ironic we hear about duct tape with Amy, duct tape on Caylee, duct tape on the gas can, duct tape on a pole…how many of us in our normal day to day living have contact with the duct tape in our homes.
Baez is under no obligation to provide discovery to the Anthony’s, ever. In fact, he has only ever given them anything in an effort to enflame them, imo. I believed Maura addressed this last evening, IIRC, both Lazzarro and Amy were asked if they ever were aware of Casey having any packing supplies, (tape) they both said no. No deception indicated.
B
#176 MsE’
I was thinking more along the lines of the “Simpsons”
Accordiing to Richard Hornsby and Bill Schaeffer, the motions to drop the first 2 counts of the indictment should have been made almost a year ago and the charges will not be dropped. However, If Strickland does not at least hear arguments on them can Casey use this later as ineffective assistance of council? Help anyone!
Baez on Geraldo was interesting to say the least. So, her own atty says ‘it’s up to her”? How about advising your client that there isn;t a chance in hell she will be found “NOT GUILTY”. Even if they move the trial to the MOON….How about letting your client know with all the evidence they got, SHE’S SCREWED? As far as the “stain” in the trunk….it wasn’t blood. I thought I read it was body fluid from decomp…..Yeah know Blink….with all the “evidence” and other info on this case….I find it totally amazing that Casey is not moved to the least…It all seems to have NO EFFECT on her…..She just sits there ans smiles and carries on as if she herself thinks Caylee is gonna walk into the court room. What kinda mind does she actually have…I find her frightening….totally frightening. And to think her own enabling mother feeds off of her. What a family of mind freaks. What is it with this families brains? How does a mother and father NOT see Casey is hmmmmm….a head case? I can’t say insane…she is hardly that…perhaps cunning like a fox? there is clearly something NOT right about her personality ……
About the duct tape on those brackets in the shed (not garage as I’d thought).
Page 3592 and identically on 3740 of discovery http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740700/detail.html:
item #63, “2 metal brackets w/ duct tape — S. Shed” —-but it doesn’t have a “Q” number like for example the “gas can w/ duct tape — S. Shed” on the same page (tem #65 labeled Q76).
So do we assume that item 63 was never sent to the FBI because maybe the tape didn’t have those big HENKEL markings on it? Whereas Q100 (pg 3597) that other piece of HENKEL tape found at the remains site (coincidentally? or perhaps used to bind hands or feet?) WAS sent to the lab.
Blinc, with all due respect and admiration, please have your bloggers spell Kathi Belich’s name correctly. kathI Thank you! Once again, why is this going to trial? Their only defense is to pay off a juror or threaten a member of a juror’s family. No other way to defend this.
I know this might be a question asked and answered a long time ago and I apologize for being off topic, but going thru some older information on the case concerning the A’s tampering with the car, my question is this:
The A’ brought the car home, is it my understanding Cindy went back to work that day, could Cindy have gotten chloroform from her job in an attempt to clean the trunk, being a nurse I would think she may very well know the different uses of chloroform, she attempted to clean out the smell from the trunk? Forgive my ignorance this just came to mind….
172 thank you Dee. I checked and all I can find are the seven minute snippets. Just as well. Listening to Cindy makes my ears bleed.
Is it just me, or is Jose Baez the dumbest lawyer to ever practice law? He’s the lead counsel for a young woman facing the death penalty, if convicted. WTF is he doing on Fox News being interviewed by the hyperest of all hypes, Geraldo Rivera? Baez isn’t a serious defender, he’s a publicity-seeking, self-promoting shyster.
And why the hell didn’t Geraldo challenge Baez on all the lies and distortions he made during the interview? What kind of a reporter is he? I’l tell you what, if I have to watch one more second of Jose Baez’s blather, I’m going to borrow that roll of duct tape to wrap my head.
Please tell when this case is going to trial. Poor, pitiful Caylee. Why doesn’t anyone in the Anthony clan, or on the defense, care about justice for this beautiful baby girl?
Hi Blink!
Great reporting, as usual! Question: If the court allows the prosecution to use the media tape showing the Henkel Duck tape used to hang posters, then could the judge’s ruling against the members of a search team being investigated be overturned? The reason I’m asking is b/c a certain sex offender came out representing a certain group in one of the initial searches for Caylee and she was interviewed by Fox. I’m wondering if the defense would be able to use that media interview if this Henkel tape video is allowed. Hope not…just seriously wondering if it can come into play, since she’s been convicted of sex crimes. Many thanks to you and your wonderful reporting.
Also, I’ve tried registering with Scared Monkeys but I’m still waiting for admin approval. I can’t find an email to contact somebody. I’d love to post on the Haleigh Cummings’ and Caylee Anthony’s forums. Anyway you can help? I’ve posted with you a couple of times under a different email, but b/c I post on another forum, I didn’t want to use that same email to join Scared Monkeys b/c I was told that certain forums save ip addresses and email info to track for “trouble makers” if those posters happen to disagree with their sites. Hoping that’s not true, but it is the reason I used a different email. Again, many thanks to you!
Titch, I am not certain I understand the connection between Websleuths, Windchime and the duct tape. Please clarify-
tia
B
Lori my ears have not stopped bleeding for what 15 months, I need a blood fusion please, no RH NEG please, I dont want to turn into a “Witch” hehehe
Lol, Blink, your comment in #189 reminds me of an old Carnac the Great bit—-name a collective, a defective, and a protective (or something)
Blink-
Awesome. Well done, you.
Been super busy on a case. Every time I try to check in and catch up here, I end up getting pulled away. I am mainly waiting to hear from Haskell at this point. Do not forget about the bugs, kids. Maggots don’t typically hang out in the trunks of abandoned vehicles. When they do… they can tell some tales. (And I am not referring to the disgusting rice krispy –snap, crackle, pop– sound they make when eating).
Just happened to see #180.
Sighhhhhhhhhh.
A) The judge did not “rule against the members of the search team”. He did not rule that they could (or could not) be “investigated”. He simply granted a defense motion for the production of records. TES is not a party to the case, so the judge can not rule FOR or AGAINST that entity. Try READING THE ORDER, for starters.
B) One (discovery of TES records) has NOTHING to do with the other (duct tape being used to hang posters). (how in the world would anyone make that connection in their head is beyond me)
C) The TES records that Judge Strickland ordered turned over have ALREADY BEEN TURNED OVER. The defense is free to “investigate”. There is no ruling with respect to that. (Again, try reading the Order).
Later, y’all.
Many Thanks Chief, I was just about to send up the flare, lol.
B
# 187 Dee, ha! The Simpsons are bumbling, but funny. The Anthonys are bumbling and scary, but you’re right. both are cartoons.
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m10d3-Local-Florida-news-station-may-have-found-duct-tape-link-in-Casey-Anthony-case-video
Hi Bink…
No, I’m not saying there’s a connection at all. I’m “wondering” (literally just wondering) the legalities of it all b/c I have no idea…you’re very knowledgable of these things:) I’m wondering if the court allows for the video showing the Henkel tape being used to put up posters, then could the court end up overturning the ruling on investigating the volunteer searchers? B/c Stipp showed up on video, that’s why I’m asking. It’s my sincerest hope that the judge wouldn’t allow this, and I know the question is a stretch, but I’m not as knowledgable in this area as you or your sources could be. IOW, I would think the prosecution could use media videos showing the tape used in putting up the posters. If the prosecution can do that, I’m wondering if the defense can present to the judge the video of Stipp being one of the volunteer searchers. Also, and this is a big stretch, I’m wondering if that could be one of the reasons they tried to get a list of volunteers - so they could do background checks on people, blame someone else or speculate upon someone else, and in turn create reasonable doubt. I personally feel this defense team are some pretty shady characters…I wouldn’t put anything past them. Capice? I worry that they’ll try to discredit alot of volunteers and they’ll speculate that somebody else could have placed Caylee’s body in that wooded area.
Just so you know where my heart is, I personally don’t think Stipp is involved at all. I think Casey did this all on her own. I’m only wondering the legalities of it all…if it can even come into play. Thanks again, Blink.
Titch
Too my knowledge Terri Stipp was not a TES volunteer at any time. That Blanchard Park debacle was not associated with TES at all.
B
Blink, do you have any ideas about G.Rivera’s involvement in the case? I mean the palsy-walsy with Baez? He’s not exactly an F. Lee Bailey. Hmm…a deal with JB for exclusives with Casey during or post trial and no tough questions asked? Could GR/ Fox be funding any part of the defense?
I can tell you that allegation has been made by more than one person, but I can’t confirm it.
B
Geraldo with Baez was Pt1– Geraldo followed that with 3+ minutes with questions from a defense perspective– normally Mickey Sherman (sp) is way out on a defense limb when NG cuts him off (for good ‘annoyance’ reasons).
Listen to what Sherman says this time, at the very end of Pt. 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UJFoLRDW0g
The State has just filed a MOTION TO STRIKE DEFENDANT’S LEGALLY FLAWED MOTION TO DISMISS COUNTS I AND II OF THE INDICTMENT AGAINST CASEY MARIE ANTHONY.
Dee and Lori– Didn’t I plead with you, ‘BEGGED’ in fact, NOT to listen to that whole Cindy 11 1/2 minutes!!
I’d put it on the other night and went and did things, wasn’t listening closely at times, and it went on and on and on in what sounded like one endless sentence. I caught the bit about Kathi Belich and burying the hatchet with Cindy and with the recent Domi Casey’s hate list, that caught my attention, or I’d not likely have listened closely to the end of that video of what, for the first 8 minutes, seemed to be endless circles around the hair brush issue.
The Mark NeJame ‘blame’ took me off guard– couldn’t believe what I was hearing– a baby is MISSING and Cindy says Mark caused them to not speak to investigators. (A redundant ‘WhatTH’???!!)
Most notable to me is the timing of this interview and this comment about Mark– Cindy already had presumed knowledge of the baby’s ‘dumping ground’ after DC ‘cleared’ it as a defense move just over a week earlier. And Cindy had probably not very good things to say about Mark NeJame ‘crossing her’ as he withdrew his representation of the couple (remember Cindy’s threats to Tim Miller, and her hardly veiled threats to Sgt. John Allen in telephone message recordings)– she couldn’t help getting some jab in at Mr. NeJame.
(begs the question of what we will never know– what rant did Cindy leave on MNJ’s answering machine and could it be that George was the best choice of the two clients to actually get into their ex-lawyer’s offices without police being called, as he attempted to sabbotage the Tim Miller press conference?)
Anyone closely attuned to the Casey Anthony case should find the following two articles that appeared in the San Francisco Chronicle on 12/14/04 regarding the death penalty conviction of Scott Peterson to be of great interest. The primary purpose of these articles was to provide the reader with insight into the reasons why the jurors in the Peterson case found him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt - despite his protestations of innocence and despite the lack of forensic evidence directly linking him to this crime. I can assure you that you will be amazed at how many significant aspects of the Anthony case are eerily reminiscent of those of the Peterson case.
Peterson Jury: Death - The Jurors: How they decided he should die.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/…2/14/MNGL7ABKFJ1.DTL
Peterson Jury: Death - The Decision. Autopsy photos a reminder of brutal murders.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/…2/14/MNGL7ABKFL1.DTL
Thanks, Olive– heard 1st on the net at Blink thanks to you! (at least the story isn’t on the Orlando MSM sites).
We were told to expect that one– how can this help Ms. Lyon’s good reputation? First, she has to rely on Baez and crew to fill her in on Florida law subtleties for even the basics of the usual defense motions, then because these motions should have been filed way back when there was little evidence, no body even, Ms. Lyon has to play babysitter and do it ‘better late than never’ as part of her DP qualified work. (didn’t need a DP lawyer to do this last year– and remember, Baez specifically did NOT attempt to apply for ’speedy trial’ when there was so little collected evidence and no body). He should have been on that and got her off before the body was ever revealed while he had the chance, even if it didn’t fly, he could have at least filed for it– but he had the golden egg goose under his wing.
Kleat, sorry I am a glutton for punishment I guess, why do I do these things?
stocirpa, I think about the Peterson case and the evidence in that mostly circumstantial (spelling?) the jury hung his butt, it is all about common sense in this case with CA no one and I mean NO ONE is fooled…
all the tricks from the Bozo Scheme Team is just that TRICKS…who’s buying a ticket to their circus not the General Public that is proof positive.
BTW, anyone notice the number of grandmothers who have posted here? The defense should pay attention, if it goes to seat a jury. People say that Cindy’s actions are the ‘grandmother thing’ coming out… I beg to differ… Casey does NOT want a grandmother on the jury!!!
GR lost all my faith the day he was out in the middle of a hurricane and got his a$$ knocked over!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FziScjyf4Ic
oh and when Ronald Cummings almost kicked his A$$
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbxuO5t84zo
he (GR) is too extreme for me and nothing he reports means squat to me it is all for show
Thanks for the response, Blink. I didn’t know if the defense only asked for a list of TES volunteers, or if they asked for a list of “all” volunteers that were put together in organized searches. I know the defense concentrated on TES, again just wasn’t sure it was only TES volunteers they asked for. Many thanks - keep up the great work. I check your site frequently throughout the week. You seem to get info quicker than the mainstream media does! Have a great day, Blink!
Blink,
I found a 3rd picture that has the Henkel tape logo on it, and it’s definitely something that the Anthony’s own. I’m not sure if I should tell anyone? Or who would I tell? Is it that big of a deal, or should I just leave it and let someone else maybe find it eventually??
Post here, I will keep it private until I read it, a few folks have found some more and they have been submitted appropriately, I’ll let you know if they have it.
B
I remember when Geraldo said if OJ was found not guilty he would quit reporting the news. Not a man of his word or maybe what he’s doing now is not reporting.
Also does anyone know if it was a syringe found in the Gatorade bottle and did Casey do something to Caylee using that syringe?
MsE’ maybe they are related to the Simpson’s I am waiting for the TV cartoon, I am sure it is a comin’
Anyone think that Cindy is, and has been from ‘day one’, mired in the CSI effect and her own version of 100% proof logic? Even by her own admission, she waited for 100% proof before believing Caylee was not alive, there was still hope– but what does the continued search for the live baby ‘this’ year do to her credibility and 100% theory. What percent is Cindy taking as the chances of the baby she cremated by HER decision, not Casey’s (or was that statement by Casey a defense strategy)? Dr. G. ever give any stats on the chances that this was not the Anthony baby? It can’t be 100%– has to be ‘hope numbers’ in there somewhere that Cindy decided she must believe in again this spring.
Suz - Your analogy made me laugh. I love your posts. Like I said…been reading on here for some months and agree with your standpoint.
silverspnr - I think you took my post #189 entirely wrong. I’m not making a comparison between the Duck tape & the searchers, I’m making a comparison between “media videos” being used as evidence to either support the prosecution or conversely the defense. I asked Blink innocently b/c I have no idea the legalities of the rulings in such a case as this. I’ve read just about every document that’s come out regarding this case b/c it sickens me to no end. I saw how the judge answered the defense’s request. I never even brought “TES” into this until Blink responded to me. I wasn’t referring to TES in the least. Again, to be clear, my post wan’t meant to be taken as a comparison between searchers and Henkel tape being used to hang up posters. I don’t even understand how you got confused by my post:) I should have been more precise and to the point. Go easy sugar, I don;t post here often…but I follow frequently. Trust me, I respect everyone here - hell, it’s apparent everybody cares about justice for Caylee. That’s the biggest reason I’m drawn to this site.
SILVER AND MAURA–welcome home! I’ve (we’ve) been missing you guys. Of course you see Blink has been taking wonderful care of us and feeding us Cream of Baez in a rather large bowl and we are lapping it up! I was worried that the nasty flu bug might have gotten ya’ll but nice to see you are okay. Happy posting!
Kleat #212
Cindy said they had a second autopsy done. I guess that was junk science too.
SuzeeB,
Hey I forgot about the second autopsy. Interesting point, considering, Cindy is now somehow claiming that the child she had the funeral for and has ashes for is now not her grandaughter,(paraphrased).
What a joke.
Silver, welcome back!! Couldn’t there be a new hybrid variety of maggot, that eats cheeze (sorry wpgmouse), thrives on high salt content therefore low moisture content chewy stringy varieties of white or yellow cheeze/cheeze like substitutes, and high sodium prepared meats, msg or non msg variety… and thick or thin crusts?
We are talking “junk food science” here– the kind the defense orders!!
Suz, re #184(at the moment that’s the number) I don’t know how to interpret the evidence numbers on that inventory. Perhaps the numbers are added as items are submitted to FBI for analysis and if we would see the list in another month, there would be more numbers on there. I assume there is at least an initial evaluation done by LE as to evidentiary value before submitting and assigning a Q number.
On reviewing that document, did you ever notice that 9 brushes and combs were collected from the top of the master bathroom toilet??? Who owns 9 brushes and combs, for crying out loud? It’s listed on page 3592, item #60. None of those have been submitted, either. At least not that we can tell from that inventory. I’m headed to the bathroom to see how many brushes and combs I can balance on the throne. BBL
Here is the (I think) 3rd picture at this point, with the Henkel logo. This seems similar to the one Kathi found on Friday, but it’s not the exact same one, that’s why I thought it might be of some interest, because I suppose the more they have, the better it is.
The one from the other day is a missing poster made from a piece of paper (notebook size)…. and this one is an actual poster board type missing sign.
Here is the link, let me know if it can be of any help, or if the link didn’t come across right or something. TIA
http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/caseyanthony/19724912/detail.html
silvr…I am so glad you brought up the maggots and insects. Maggots would not eat on a pizza..I thought about that from day one what does the maggots testing show. Is it possible to pull Caylee’s DNA from the insects…(just seems wrong to mention them in the same sentence as Caylee)
#198 Olive,
I can’t find anything on that. Please help. Do you have a link or something.
Blink, is there something “hinky” going on here in the past couple of days here? I swear I’m getting dizzy.
Clue please ada, not following and have itchy allergy eyes, lol
B
second autopsy what a joke I guess they were “REACHING”
Is this “chat room” spinning?
Good point re: the evidence numbers, Georgiamom. I am sure we have a lag in what has been submitted where.
Titch, xxx ooo!
39 days missing…Has anyone else noticed that most all of the documents released show the date of 6/9/08 as the day Caylee went missing…which is the ORIGINAL date that George, Cindy amd Lee believed that Caylee was missing..and filed the missing person report for that date..I can not help but wonder if by sticking to this original date will the A’s have to also explain was the date was wrong? Rarely is the at of 6/16/08 use!
Sorry about the itchy eyes. I may have read this here. Do you think that the strategy after the duct tape fiasco is that the defense is going to try to spin this to blame one of the volunteers? I just get that feeling.
I know this is going to sound grossly unprofessional, blame the allergies if you will-
I had a dream last night that I was “blind driving” around the recently foreclosed homes of scam artists, and I came upon one that appeared as though there were things bulging out of the closed garage door. You know, looked like dents outward from being so full.
So like in any good dream, I use my garage door opener link, it opens slowly, and a wave of Henkel duct tape rolls comes gushing out like a tidal wave. Atop the shiny and heat resistant to 200 degrees mass was Dennis Milstead and George Anthony riding in the Caylee Marie. They are screaming back and forth at each other “I though you said you got them all.”
B
Post # 216..So why do you think no one has askd Cindy..who’s child did she have cremated? And was she going to return the ashes to the loved ones? Or just keep them? She does not seem to be having a problem about saying Caylee might be in aother country!
In regards to Cindy’s claim that Caylee’s possibly alive and in Puerto Rico with the always well-paid by Casey, nanny. If she says Caylee’s still alive, and we are to take her somewhat-serious, then I think Cindy needs to be charged with possible murder. Who did she have cremated then?!?
BOMBSHELL:
http://www.wesh.com/news/21207035/detail.html
I cant help thinking that finding the video’s with the duct tape on the posters is going to add a lot of confusion. If the anthonys did not hang up all of the posters themselves, then that would add a lot of fingerprints of people not relevant to the case..
Im with ada on this one..I am a little dizzy myself, the tape of the anthonys is not a same match as found on caylee? is that correct? they are dissimilar? then how is matching the tape on the posters to the anthony’s going help. SEE I told you I am confused.
R Grund gave me the heebie geebies, I didn’t pay much attention to him until 4 days ago-there was no way I could even force myself to listen to his audio!
#226…OMG Blink you poor thing. (Hilarious) but you need your sleep.
Now that we have been discussing knowing there are Casey’s prints on the tape but were just waiting for that to be released. I am going to guess GA and CA know too. Lets say they didn’t know until this week end like the rest of us. Can you possibley imagine the heaviness in their chest for the 1 fleeting second their minds actually said….”She did it”
I personally believe we witnessed that fleeting second at the 8/14 jail visit, well, Cindy anyway.
B
Midwest MOM,
what I was dizzy about was how this duct tape video was going to become palatable for the defense strategy. There is no doubt that all the Henckle duct tape came from the Anthonys. I believe that the tape at the scene was the same as on the gas can and posters. It had just undergone deterioration from the elements. If the volunteers used the tape, Baez can ask those people who provided the Henckel duct tape to them. I don’t think that would be any more confusing than the defense request for all the TES volunteers information.
I also think that throwing R Grund under the bus is unnecessary. The truth never requires any spin or explanation.
Kleat, it would be my sincere pleasure. Please let me know your timeline so I can make sure the appropriate copy works.
B
Blink,
Can you tell me why all the items listed as taken from home on 12/08 via warrant have 3/19/09 date marked on bottom of page?
Why knife and bags (page 282) marked as investigation and not evidence?
Sheri Galveston Tx
Because there are different release rules if something is part of the ongoing investiation. The March date could be the release date, but it is also Casey’s birthday
B
Forgot to ask… if there are dos and donts here, please someone let me know, you guys have a really respectable site.. don’t want to step on toes or break any rules.. thanks Sheri Galveston
Midwest Mom, I don’t think the Henkel’s special tape on the posters will add confusion regarding other people’s handling of the posters, not at all– that is of course, to be expected. What might be argued is that the supply of tape that was used to get those posters up and out quickly, was something grabbed that was already in the Anthony household. And THAT makes it consistent with the brand and it’s rarity compared to volumes of other types of general use ‘duct’ type tapes, or packing tapes, or masking tape, or staplers, any of which could have also been used to get the posters up and in view quickly.
This might have more inflammatory than probative value (just surmising here, I’m not a lawyer) because put that poster of the baby up with it’s duct tape attached– IF FOR EXAMPLE, a fingerprint and chemical/physical connection that authenticates the tape, its label, and also connects it to an Anthony volunteer, if not an Anthony themselves, and then juxtapose that image of the baby’s face with the baby’s skull with the same duct tape and it’s labels– that would be extremely powerful visually. Very powerful if the section of tape has the label on it– the label is there not for advertising on the product, but as a notice to end users that it meets certain use conditions and so they can’t apply the wrong roll to the wrong job.
Dominic Casey: Why Aren’t I on Your “Hit List” | Halifax Area News …5 days ago - MrNews Productions is an audio / video company… that has now branched off into the internet with the introduction of http://www.HalifaxAreaNewsWatch.com.
http://www.halifaxareanewswatch.com/dominic-casey-why-arent-i-on-your-hit-list/ - Cached - Similar
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Good article…hope it’s ok to post a link..had a couple of tidbits I wasn’t aware of like the claim Georgle planned to blow Casey away then himself.
I can confirm the part about the gun and George’s plans, it is true.
B
Midwest MOM, I guess the defense could say: What if the real killer removed strips of the duct tape (there were three strips from 7″ to 9″ IIRC) from the caylee posters and cruelly either used them to kill the child or simply placed them on the corpse—perhaps as a message to casey for having squealed to the cops, and a warning that she better not squeal any further or else the rest of her family would get it too. And it just so happened that those pieces had Casey’s prints on them from some time that she used the tape around the house in some innocent and helpful fashion, being a good daughter and all that.
It’s quite a stretch, but they could argue that it accounts for why tape pieces were used (i.e., because the killer found the pieces on posters) instead of wrapping the tape all the way around the head (which the killer could not do, as he or she did not have a whole roll of tape).
Are they allowed to get the jurors drunk first?
Blink-
Was E Fontiane the only person who claimed she saw the alleged heart shaped residue? And, if you are correct that it was a conscious decision to dust why didn’t she properly document the alleged residue?
According the FBI reports and FBI communication log E Fontaine received the duct tape on Dec 13th.
The communication log also shows they asked FBI field agents and EDU if they saw the heart shaped residue, they reported they saw nothing and have no photo’s of heart shaped residue on the duct tape. LG in the FBI’s QDU department was given the task of looking for any heart shaped residue or any evidence there was a sticker on the duct tape
(this occurred after EF says she ‘lost it’ b/c she dusted)…that test also yielded negative results, nothing was found.I then checked the ME report(duct tape arrived on Dec 11 and was sent to the FBI lab on Dec 12th) and there’s no mention of any heart shaped residue. I also looked at LE reports(crime scene) and once again there’s no mention of any heart shaped residue.
We also know that it was E Fontaine that did the exam eliminating George ,Cindy and Lee’s fingerprints from the duct tape.
Other than the fact that the tape had “black powder” on it, what makes you certain that “dusting” was the test that destroyed the residue? Im not suggesting its not impossible that nobody else saw the residue, considering they received a search warrant in which they seized heart stickers, I have to think it was observed.
Personally, I am ok with the sticker/reside out. It was either Casey’s guilt or her framing someone anyway, imo.
B
One more thing-
When looking through the documents I noticed that documents 5581-5582 which is E Fontaines report eliminating G,C and L’s fingerprints…then look at the very next set of documents (5583-5584) which is LG’s duct tape examination.
The first set was released back in March of 2009 but the second was just released (Sept 2009) though they happened just days apart back in December…why the long wait? Could this offer an explanation about the defenses endless Motions to compel? Was the state deliberately holding back certain information? Is this JB’s spoliation accusation against the SAO?
Perhaps JB and Co had these results…but wouldn’t you think if that were the case they would have ‘released’ this information to the public months ago?
One thing to keep an open mind in, is that some evidence went through a barrage of tests that require different phases.
Also the PIO releases the discovery, not the SA’s. No, I dont suspect Jose et al would ever release inculpatory evidence against his client, he would be disbarred.
B
Blink we know you don’t reveal your sources. And I wouldn’t ask you to. But, being able to “confirm” Georg’s plan? Wow! Is there anything you can tell us laymen about the fact that this is true. This is all new to me……but, then again I usually find myself a step or two behind you all.
Sorry friend, I cannot.
B
TO PP:
Sometimes it is best to allow people to reveal themselves to you. That way you know the size of their shadow.
Your a Good Lady, many thanks.
B
Blink & Ada - Re #226…That’s the exact reason I asked Blink about the legalities of the video use. I would hope it would be able to be used, but I fear for the simple reason that “if” the Anthony’s weren’t the “only” ones to use the Henkel tape, could this be a way for the defense to throw a new spin on things? I worry that maybe some of the volunteers used the same tape. I hope somebody has proof that the Henkel tape used on Caylee “only” came from the Anthony’s. This was the reason for my original question, sorry if I confused you Blink. I don’t live in Florida, I have no idea if some of the searchers also helped put up posters…I can only surmise that they “may” have. So, I guess a better question I could have asked you, Blink - Can the defense discredit some of the searchers that helped put up posters (if they did or not, just being hypothetical) using that same Henkel tape that belonged to the Anthony’s? I wonder if they could legally do something like that. I think laws should be in place protecting the volunteers, but apparently there aren’t. This worries me. I am a volunteer for our local visiting nurses assoc and I can tell you if they started ripping apart volunteers where I live, it would make people not want to be involved as much. I should have thought my original question through before I posted, then maybe it wouldn;t have confused so many. Very very sorry…only want to help participate and share insight/opinions.
I’ve always been a community service kind of gal, but Caylee’s case has made me want to learn so much more…like how to spot certain characteristics in people like Casey and stear my boys away from them. It worries me that some people cater to their children, especially girls that have children, and some parents live in NeverNeverLand like Cindy. It’s one thing to support your children in their decisions, but it’s quite another to feed into their psychosis. I worry b/c I feel like the Anthony’s are posting on various boards saying stupid stuff and igging people on so they can use those sites against the prosecution.
I personally want to know more about the “embarassing” pictures that Casey had on the computer. On another site, I’ve posted my belief that she was an amateur b/c one of the pics really looks like her. I wonder if the prosecution will let us know one way or the other if she was involved in amateur porn…or something like it. Maybe it has nothing to do with Caylee’s death so they won’t let us know? I kind of think it could show what her priorities were if that happens to be true…maybe finally drive it home with Cindy if you kwim.
Kleat, Your #235 pretty much answers the beginning of my #238…so thank you!
I don’t know much about forensics but what do you all think about the shape of Caylee in a fetal position imprinted inside Casey’s trunk? From what I can gather it may never make it into evidence because any traceable body fluids had already been scrubbed off by Mrs. Clean before the cops ever showed up. Is it accurate to say you can’t put a dead body in the fetal position? Is it true that a body has to put it’s self into that position, and if that’s all true can we safely guess Casey locked a live Caylee up in that trunk and she died there? Or, maybe just that she slept in the trunk so often it created that silhouette there but had nothing to do with her actual death.
#239 I can deal with that Blink. Doesn’t hurt to ask.
Does anyone out there know anything about scratches inside as well as outside Casey’s car???
Inside is new to me.
#144
ProvokingPoirot,
Mea Culpa! I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to imply that she’d only lied at that point, I was only saying that that particular instance was the only one I remember her actually saying “I lied”.
I apologize for any confusion,
Peggy
Well thank you so much for that link Gina….it sums it up for ME!!!! I would consider it an honor to be on that list!!
http://www.halifaxareanewswatch.com/dominic-casey-why-arent-i-on-your-hit-list/
I love this article and I love the chance to redeem myself for not being the only person who feels this way! I feel reborn! I was thinking I was a horrible, horrible person for not abiding by my “innocent until proven guilty” belief…I still believe that, but only to an extent and left to a jury of peers when the evidence becomes transparent and crystalline, translucent and translucid. Thank you Blink, Maura, silverspn, Kleat, RedRanger, dee, westsidehudson, cindeefromwisconsin, dddeerma, Granmomma, Chica, Gypsy DD, Suz, todd in tulsa, and oh so sweet Keefer, funny, yes, but not as bad as you think. (according to Blink)…so many wonderful people, brought together by little Caylee…Lord, I forgot all the names but I love you all so much for the thoughts you provoke in me.
My personal favorite:
“Dominic Casey doesn’t talk about that… nor do the Anthony’s.
But, that was George’s little plan.
Oh yeah… before I forget… remember George’s little pill-popping suicide attempt at a hotel on Ridgewood Avenue in Daytona Beach last spring.
They tracked him down by using cell phone pings. He thought he was on “Dialing for Dollars…” reaching out, touching people telling them he couldn’t take it anymore.
Now, George is a former law enforcement officer in Ohio… and Daytona Beach Police Chief Mike Chitwood did the right thing when they found where George was staying.
Chief Chitwood went to the hotel… talked to him… and drove him to Halifax in an unmarked police car.
Damn…. I have a lot of respect for Chief Chitwood. He is the best Chief the city has had in the past generation. But, I degress…
After George was admitted to the Halfiax Mental Health unit on the state’s Baker Act… my highly – placed sources told me that George told a nurse he didn’t take any of the pills missing from the bottles.
It was an attention getter…
The biggest actor in this entire saga is Casey Anthony. This story has everything… sex…. lies… video tape… and Casey Anthony who “bangs like a screen door in a hurricane!!”
Bees Knees, I’d like to know more about how the fluids would gather, deposit, and how in that humid trunk, humid hot weather, dark trunk, what moulds would grow and where the major deposits would be. Moulds produce colour producing compounds, that stain and are difficult to remove. With a dark carpet, the Anthony’s may not have known to scrub with bleaches that might remove a fungal or mould staining that they could not see in the first place. (I recall Cindy talked about the stain-in-trunk issue, and she said she didn’t have ALS (alternate light sources etc– ie: UV) and she nor George would clean, test the ‘cleaned’ areas to see if they removed any stains in daylight, in UV, especially when they did not expect this fungal staining.
First thought of a ’stain’ is the liquid itself (we know it’s blood and/or decomp) or other spills in a trunk unrelated to the crimescene– one does not necessarily know how a secondary mould infection/build up with it’s own ‘tidelines’ of humidity/condensation but that doesn’t mean this isn’t ‘real’, easily proven, explained and presented to a jury.
It’s not MAGIC — or a Virgin Mary vision on a cheeze sandwich or pizza.
The heart shaped sticker residue was in the February document release. The lab matched the top of the sticker found elsewhere with the residue on the duct tape. All was entered into evidence.
Peggy, no no no apologies!!!! You make me think!!! No confusion, my friend. Casey’s whodoovoodoo doesn’t work on the ones that are focused on CAYLEE….that’s why I’m here.
You know that I meant — “we know it’s NOT blood or decomp”– (but was trying to say that we, as laypeople think of those first)
ada, I think there might be a distinction between ‘discovery’ and ‘evidence’ that is entered formally for consideration at trial.
The discovery is as it is– doesn’t mean it’s entered for trial by sharing the findings, whatever they might mean, with the defense.
Kleat your post 168- You just described my husband. Does the article state if there is a “cure”?
243 — Titch — the duct tape found by Kathi Belich was in a video dated 7/20 at the command center at Publix — no volunteers were searching at that time. Isn’t the common thread of the Henkel duct tape the Anthonys and I would think that any argument the defense may have about a searcher placing Caylee in woods is out the window now that at least 2 other instances of the rare duct tape appear to be memoralized in a picture or video and both seem to be connected to the Anthonys — George set up a command post at Publix to raise money to find Caylee — in another picture found by a TC at SM, see page 7, http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/caseyanthony/19724912/detail.html, which I believe is also at the command center at Publix (MOO)
Oh my. George’s anger management gone murder-plot. Blink, in light of this, do you believe his intent plan could be entered into trial?
ada–
A raised, pink heart shaped sticker was found stuck to a piece of degraded cardboard at the remains scene Q188 sent to FBI 1/12/09 (photo: n.b. labeled as heart sticker http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/021809remainsfoundOCSOpictures_set3/1/lg/204028.htm ) (3500, 3751)
The FBI Latent Fingerprint Unit, while processing the duct tape, found residue on the tape in the perfect shape of a heart and sent it to another FBI lab for analysis (3381) http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740699/detail.html
The FBI Questioned Documents Unit found no stickers or sticker fragments on the duct tape (3798, 5583) http://www.wftv.com/blank/19342108/detail.html
Cure? For sitting on foodstuffs??? You are on your own there girl!!!
Kleat- Your post 217 I posted this info on another forum once. Re Magots on pizza. Many years ago my son heated up some left over pizza in our oven. We were in the middle of packing for a week long vacation and he wanted lunch. Well long story short he left the pizza in the oven and when we came back from vacation I had an oven full of magots . gross I know. But true too. soooooo.
Blink’s Part II is posted — time to back out of this thread and onto the next!
gerogiamon in answer to your question who has nine hairbrushes and combs. Answer: the same people who purchase 13 pairs of shoes for a toddler who will outgrow them in a few months. These people loved to spend money.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think there is any actual ‘evidence’ of the heart shaped sticker residue? No images (that we know of), nothing. That’s what started a whole discussion thread to begin with . . . I’m not disputing that it was probably there based upon the FBI technician notes.
I am a little bit concerned about some of the new comments lately taking for granted some things that have been speculated on - as actual ‘evidence’. Such as, the Ant’s cleaning the car. I have not seen that documented anywhere.
Now everyone who’s seen me post here for a while knows I’m not an Ant supporter - I just want to get back to what makes this site so great - facts.
Lily-
as you know I respect that, I feel that an observation by E.Fontiane is substantative, but I respect the other side of the coin, it makes the debate as unemotional as posible.
B
gerogiamon in answer to your question who has nine hairbrushes and combs. Answer: the same people who purchase 13 pairs of shoes for a toddler who will outgrow them in a few months. These people loved to spend money.
Kleat, do you really think the shape of the stain (which maybe is or maybe isn’t shaped like a body in the fetal position) is going to make it into evidence? Even the FBI backed away from it, saying more or less that the body print (or not) is in the eye of the beholder. Seems mostly sensationalistic to me.
My gut says it’s a well intended analyst with a good imagination (and who is sure casey did it—she says right in her email, and I quote “we are not certain of where CASEY ANTHONY did what to CAYLEE”) that spotted it, so maybe she really, REALLY wanted to find something like that. FBI agents are only human, after all.
But who knows—it could be mold or condensation or whatever you are theorizing. I guess we’ll never know for sure cuz, what—the carpet is destroyed? Is that right?
MsEnscene #178 — STELLAR! Bravo! I love reading what you write!
PookyBear - Thank you. Yes, I do think the defense playing against any of the searchers would be thrown out. I was worried b/c I thought they may try a new “spin” on things, though. I think they missed an important deadline and are doing damage control right now with all their interviews & such.
#247 Randie
I heard about scratches on the inside of the hood on the trunk of the car but could not find anything concrete about that. Maybe some blinkers know more. I hate to even think about the implications of that.
Suzee
I have never heard of any scratches inside the car. outside yes.
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Todd, I’d bet that Jim Campbell might have something to offer, at least what he observed and heard directly in the household. Not sure they could bring in anything that just reads into George’s state of mind, unless there is a witness or some direct evidence. Not sure what good it would do– the defense could say George did not know what he was doing.
You know I wonder if he actually worked for the Anthony’s or the defense at any time and might have some level of immunity.
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thank you ProvokingPoirot
were all here for one common puprose to seek justice for caylee we are her voice! where her grandparents failed her!
#196 Thanks Blink…I think the boating and coctailing of GR and JB is hinky(not Hinkel) as is GR’s constant carping at LE evidence.
3197 Kleat, I listend to Mickey Sherman three times and it was very garbled. I thought he ended by saying Casey might plea because she is innocent. Huh? I must be in error! Seems as if both GR and Sherman are both shrugging along with Jose’s “That’s up to Casey” if she cops a plea. Something in the wind.
These pundits really attack every kind of “weak” forensic evidence but ignore all the strong circumstatial starting with never reporting her child missing. I think Blink is correct that the pundits really don’t know other than what the host puts in front of them. Kimberly Guilfoyle outdistanced both GR and Sherman handily because she knows the case.
How did you like GR castegating the Orlando Sentinel for being the head “cheerleader” in the case against Casey? Grrrrr. As if Casey didn’t put herself where she is.
thank you ProvokingPoirot
ypur sweet and here to do what we feel is right by little caylee
chica
ProvokingPoirot
How irritating that he would stoop as low as cindy to pull something off like that!! what a media stunt for attention it seems everything that family does is for attention seeking!!
its been a long day sorry provoking I meant the pill stunt tat wasnt even real!!
PROVOKING
KNOW WHAT BOTHERS ME AS WELL AS MANY OTHERS I HOPE I DONT SOUND STUPID! BUT IT JUST DOESNT MAKE SENSE THAT THE GRANDMOTHER WOULD GET RID OF EVIDENCE THAT INCRIMATES CASEY AND BRINGS JUSTICE TO CAYLEE. WHAT NORMAL PERSON WOULD DO THAT. ITS ANY WONDER THAT CASEY IS SCREWED IN THE HEAD THEY ALL ARE. DOES CINDY THINKS SHES BEEN ABLE TO RESCUE FROM EVERYTHING DOES SHE THINK SHE WILL SUCEED… NOT!! LEE AND GEORGE ARE JUST AS GONE NO ONE IN THAT FAMILY HAS ANY MORALS OR CREDIBILITY. BAEZ FITS IN REAL GOOD WITH THEM.
Two points here -
Lori in Comment #161 - the “over the top” on Cindy (aren’t they all??) IMO are the following:
http://www.wftv.com/video/18035355/index.html - which begins the 11-part interview with Cindy and the FBI. These interview give new meaning to PAINFUL!!!!!!!!!
AND
http://www.wftv.com/video/17566546/index.html - which is over 65 minutes in length!!! And at the end - Yuri Melich literally is hugging Cindy BEGGING her to work with them, not against them.
Also - someone else brought up Scott Peterson and I thought of the Scott Peck book on “People of the Lie” - for anyone hurt by a “romantic” flim-flam artist - this is a must-read.
However, getting back to Scott Peterson and the connections with Casey Anthony’s case:
1) Scott got involved with Amber Frey even before pregnant Laci went “missing”
Remember: Casey already had several odd incidents “sleeping over” at Ricky Morales when Caylee was not there in the morning allegedly because Cindy had called during the night and Casey had allegedly taken her home to Cindy. I bet that poor baby was knocked out on xanax and sleeping it off in the trunk of the car.
2) Once pregnant Laci was “missing” - unfortunately because Laci has a TREMENDOUS MOTHER, Scott couldn’t hide the disappearance ….
but all during the search for Laci - Scott was either marginally participatory or AWOL. His main concern was keeping it going with Amber - yeah! right - he was in Paris - and all the while he’s trying to avoid being center stage at vigils for Laci and and sweet baby Connor
3) Clearly the jury didn’t like what they saw about Scott. His attorney Mark Geragos made the huge error of saying something to the effect that “my client is innocent and we will prove it” They couldn’t even prove reasonable doubt! OOPs!!
4) Yes, I know, the accused doesn’t need to testify at their own trial …but when your accused of this type of horrible crime - and there is this MOUNTAIN of evidence … and you think there’s some way you’re going to establish reasonable doubt by remaining silent??? Of course - with her history of lying - she would be a DISASTER on teh stand.. Go ahead Casey - your private cell on death row awaits you! Although Lord knows, I really feel that the best punishment is for her to spend the rest of her days in the general population. They HATE child abusers.
Also - and I know that this is way ahead of the facts …
but I am hoping when this case is concluded - and hopefully Casey is either in prison without parole or on death row - that all of us NLBs could have some sort of a - in poor words “convention” - or teleconference - some type of an NLB “Keeping the Faith for Caylee Memorial”. It would be nice to put faces to names - and to see our numbers!
I have frequented several of the sites dedicated to this case, and I recognize many names occur on multiple sites. I believe that there is a very strong community of people who truly love sweet Caylee and have only tried to champion justice for her. Since her family has considered her easily “dumped.” any of us are on blogs at all hours of the day and night when we normally would never do such a thing! It’s that sweet little face that just haunts us.
Furthermore, I feel that there are certain people who certainly qualify as “hero” in how they have doggedly followed this case and these details and they deserve to be recognized for their efforts and how that has been appreciated. That list would be topped off certainly by Blink, but also include Yuri Melich and John Allen, Kathi Belich and Tim Miller and Mark Nejame - and certainly the Prosecution.
Just a thought …even with Bozo Baez now hinting that a “plea” is up to his client - I fear this is gong to trial … But I still think that it is an idea for the future.
Blink - again - you are AWESOME!!!
Thank you Ms. Joan
I could not agree more, when this case concludes, there are a few things I would like to accomplish in Caylee’s name.
Does everyone know that John Allen was due to retire this past January and is staying on to see this case through?
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Joan, that is a lovely idea and I have thought about that many times, I have made a very good friend because of this case and Caylee and honoring her in some kind of way bringing some closer to this case and would heal many, it would be a really nice thing to shake the hands of many
Blink… Yuri M… John A… Kathi B… Linda DB… Appie W…
I’d be honored and privileged to sit in the same room with them and have a discussion about this bizarre case.
I’d even like to talk with Leonard P and Rob D… and that blonde tv reporter who gave Cindy a run for her money in an interview a while back. Wish I could remember her name.
There are so many people involved with this whom I admire greatly. Thanks for all you do.
I think it says a lot about someones character to stay on past retirement to follow any case through. He really cares about justice for this beautiful baby just as we do.
Mr. Grund I personally feel you should sue Cindy Anthony for defamation of character. You and your son have both conducted yourselves very professionally on any shows I have watched. I watched your son on Nancy Grace and he actually felt sympathy for these Grandparents in the beginning as we all did but they learned very quickly how to get their own agenda going under the title of sympathy. To mention ones name in a depo or when trying to put together a timeline is one thing but to keep trashing that person is another thing entirely. The same is true with Zanieda what are the odds they meant someone else when this lady was at the very apartment that day and Casey gave description of the car she was driving etc. It is obvious they are used to calling the shots and this is one shot that could backfire on them.
Does everyone know that John Allen was due to retire this past January and is staying on to see this case through?
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Blink, your partial statement in #276 comments from Joan above just shows the dedication from this detective, the patients of the other investigators and how this case has affected everyone who has been involved and listens to the local, state and national news that has broadcasted this Casey Anthony saga.
Does anyone know, has a trail date has been set for the utter of forge instrument (check fraud case) against Casey Anthony?
Blink, I would like to take a moment and my apologizes for last post submitted it was in response to and quite different from your statement statement below in #232 Comment by cindeefromwisconsin
I personally believe we witnessed that fleeting second at the 8/14 jail visit, well, Cindy anyway.
kleat- 259- no not that post the one above it. He does not sit on foodstuffs. ( at least not to my knowledge)
In reference to #201, the link http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/…2/14/MNGL7ABKFL1.DTL says I do not have permission to see this. 401?? Huh??
#246-Also if you wanna know about putting dead people in the fetal position. Sure, they stay in whatever position you put them in. After rigor leaves or you massage it out, you can re-position when you want to. But CA would have had the functioning brain cells to know to google that and there isn’t any evidence yet that she did.
#275-who said these people are normal? I am the grandmother of 7 and if any one of them came up missing, I’d tear the planet apart to find him or her and if my own child had a hand in the loss, God help him or her! But hey, I’m normal…
I learned a long time ago to listen to defense bs with a critical ear. Pay as much attention to what they DON’T say as to what they DO say. Conway has a habit of taking his information from OLD discovery. My best example is the claim that there was no duct tape over the mouth. Of course there wasn’t. There was no mouth left. However if the sticky side of the duct tape were poxitioned toward the skull, it’s perfectly reasonable to assume the tape was across her mouth or at least covering her face. The defense always assumes that people are stupid. They are not.
Good Advice,
B
I loved when Jose got irritated with Kathy after a court hearing, asked her why ‘her name was changed’ apprently he investigated her, then ignored her completely because he said ‘you’re killing my sound bite’ & started speaking Spanish to a hispanic reporter hoping Kathy would go away..she didn’t.
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LOL and what was her name before ? IMO they have been botching this from the beginning. You don’t have a family that does there own investigation, and destroy potential evidence that they assume a dead body is involved ! Then continuously yield from the telling the truth, instead they run to protect and aide to their daughter with no real concern for their grand daughter IMO. This is the beginning of Exhibits IMO.