Morgan Harrington Case: Virginia State Police On New Search
Charlottesville,
Located approximately 4 miles west of Charlottesville, VA, the stretch of highway leads up to an early area of interest, Crozet, VA.
VSP PR Manager, Connie Geller says the area is not being searched based on any new tip.
Check back to blinkoncrime.com for this developing story.
Update #1. Jim Hanchett, Newsplex, reports the search has ended for this area today, and is awaiting any news of other possible search areas.
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* * I feel I need to underscore that. Clementine, and several others here have sent me various video, photos, links- privately for our information and possible lead connection to be sent to LE. If I were interested in some sort of smear campaign, I can assure you I would have the vehicle. * *
Blink, can you bold this portion of your response in my post as well, because you only bolded the last sentence and it just looks like I’m talking to myself. I’ve been known to do this occasionally- just not on a public message board :- ) Thanks.
Sorry Blink, the one in the thumbnail at the top of the page , a blonde is wearing all black, blue sneakers white laces,looks to be on a bed covered by a red comforter?
When I try to get a closer look it says access denied. I wouldn’t think much of it except, I have seen pics like this in another case. Don’t want to say which as I don’t know if this is Morgan or just a artsy pic or what. Thanks for looking, I know I would be haunted if I didn’t ask.
I don’t like to speculate, but, given these pictures and the posting from observer and OYE, along with what we know about morgan’s senior year transfer, here goes: My FEELING is that this “9″ cliche is a bunch of girls who partied pretty heavily in high school — their bodies and the pics reflect this. Morgan may have taken it to an extreme or gotten in trouble (DWI, MIPs or something) and her parents stepped in to calm it down. Thus the transfer to a new school to get out of that environment. This concert was one of the first times she was getting back with much of the group, hence the admonition (claimed by OYE) that she was not to drink and perhaps also the understanding that she was not to drive (in case temptation reared its head). Morgan did fall back into old partying habits once she got to JMU but they had arranged for a designated driver (who seems to be only a freshman). This explains the confusion over her car, the somewhat absurd doing homework in the back seat (thus excuse for the need for a designated driver without bringing up alcohol), the failure to call her parents after arriving at JMU, her acting intoxicated, and the initial lack of information given by the friends to Dr. Harrington as they were trying to avoid getting morgan/themselves in trouble for the partying.
None of this explains what happened to morgan of course. Nor does it make the party pics any less disturbing. I suspect that morgan was not all that close to some of these girls (as a result perhaps of moving to the different highschool and not being at JMU).
belleboyd – Wow! So the police in Harrisonburg actually legitimize underage drinking as long as they know about it beforehand? Who would have guessed? Doesn’t Virginia have liquor control agents who police carry-out establishments to make sure they aren’t selling to people under 21? Hopefully, your friend’s daughter was feeding her a line, but maybe not. Harrisonburg must be a wild and crazy place.
We know per Dr. Harrington that Morgan saw a lot more of her parents in the last six months. For some reason she appeared to be less interested in her friends, did more things with her parents. Had something specific happened? Was she on the outs with some of the girls or had she just grown away from them?
I don’t know what to think about the group partying so hardy just a scant two weeks after Morgan’s disappearance. I, of course, think they should have been out hanging up missing posters and beating the bushes looking for clues. Maybe they were self-medicating with alcohol to lessen the pain caused by their missing friend? I hope that’s the explanation, but color me less than convinced. I am very troubled by both Amy and Sarah’s costumes at the Halloween Party because they were both styled like dead people – Amy as a mummy, Sarah as a corpse with dark eye-liner. I just can’t believe they did that with their “supposed” friend still not found.
When my daughter moved to Washington DC after college she became friends with a gal from Texas, who didn’t seem to have any other girlfriends, either at work or from college. Then the Texan slept with my daughter’s boyfriend and we knew why she didn’t have girlfriends. The point is you can never be sure what’s going on.
Skyler, have you ever told LE about your trips across the bridge in the 9:20-9:30 time frame with no observation of any walkers?
Chad, after that awful evening at your house did your son ever tell you more about what was going on? Thank goodness, that happened in your basement and not in some park where kids go to drink. Your quick action saved that girl’s life. No wonder you insisted on driving your son to Cville!
Throughout these 2 months I have been mystified about Morgan’s friends at VTech. Where are they? Who did she live with at VT during her freshman and sophomore years? (Actually, I guess she could have commuted, but did she?) Why was she living with Amy, who doesn’t even go to VT?
I know after I looked at all the facebook photos last night, I couldn’t sleep. I can’t imagine what the Harringtons are going through. Morgan, please be found.
Comment by lizzy — December 23, 2009 @ 12:50 pm
Would I let my “character be devoured” for even just one more day with someone I truly care about? Would you?
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I have no problem with character devouring per say, I however think that it should be done by the proper people, i.e. LE, and not random people on an internet forum. I agree with the earlier poster about the rampant finger pointing that is so prevalent on this site.
As for the Halloween pictures, keep in mind that the two previous weeks were probably the most stressful of their lives, and I’m sure that they needed a night to relieve the stress, so they did it the way a lot of people do, by getting drunk. Factor in that midterms probably just ended, JMU is a well known party school, it was Halloween and there you have it.
I like your post Sherlock, while I don’t agree that Morgan never made it to the concert.
If I am wrong, however, where might she have gone?
Virginia Beach for the body painting/video shoot? Wouldn’t such an elaborate scheme require an awful lot of folks cooperating in a scheme to deceive LE?
Plus, how do you then explain the multiple sightings?
clementine — December 23, 2009 @ 12:43 pm
“merrykrismouse, are you wpgmouse”
Yes, clementine. I did sign the end of my some of my comments with the non-seasonal mouse to denote the change (sorry, I should have done it on all).
wpgmouse
As far as the discussion of those who post photos of themselves on the internet along with their every move, accomplishment, disappointment, etc..
Two words, Buyer Beware. Facebook and sites like it are inherently dangerous by their nature. You play, you pay.
Wow. So much to comment on.
I understand some people feeling like people are being dragged through the mud. I think it is necessary, to a degree, to put them under the microscope…squeeze them like an orange for every drop of juice. Even if we make one person in the social circle of the BG uncomfortable enough to share what they know or to take another look at someone’s actions following Oct. 17th, then it is worth it. As someone else said, I would be more than willing to be dragged through the mud if it meant finding my best friend.
I am young enough to know…yes, college students drink a LOT. And Halloween is known as being an excuse for girls to dress like sluts. The friends aren’t that out there in that sense.
But I find it really odd that they are partying like that two weeks after Morgan went missing. Someone asked what they were supposed to do… Ummm…Be really f*ing scared to go anywhere? Develop PTSD? Develop Survivor’s Guilt? Become depressed? Take a leave of absence from school? Do something to help in the search for said friend?
When I was in high school, two teammates of mine on the volleyball team were in a bad car accident. The car was being driven by a girl 2 years older on the soccer team. It was an honest to god accident… sober… mid-day… doing back to school shopping and made a left turn in front of a tractor trailer without yielding. One of my teammates was killed and the other suffered minor injuries. My point is, the girl driving the car that day tried to kill herself afterward…at least once. Not saying that everyone needs to do that, but in my opinion your life doesn’t go on after something like this happens to your best friend…at least not right away.
Umm…anyone know who or what Sara Snead is supposed to be?
I am at a loss.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/45838843@N02/
AtotheK: “No one knows what any of the friends are going through and YES sometimes getting drunk is an easier way to deal with a friend missing. They are college kids, do you expect them to not socialize? To be confined to their rooms 24/7? Or should they be passing out flyers 24/7? Different people grieve differently-different strokes…”
I can personally say that I do know!!!
I personally have had two, yes, two, people close to me, taken violently and without notice!!! you are correct in saying that you cannot expect friends not to socialize but the air in their room would smell of the trauma of that missing or dead best friend, sister, mother, husband, father, child! I do not wish that they be confined to their rooms 24/7 nor do i expect them to be out passing flyers 24/7. although, I myself, and my teenage daughter have passed out over 1000 in Harrisonburg, alone!!! there my friend, is where you need to get a clue. Morgan’s friends could be doing more. I am not even related to or even knew of the Harrington Family before this. I just find it very, very odd that her best girlfriends in the whole, wide world are partying up in such bad taste. maybe their parents taught them nothing about manners? college does not give you an excuse to behave badly especially when your friend is missing and you are one of the last people to have been seen with her, rode in her car, took her tickets and then drove her car back without her.
all I was stating was, that of all the people I have met that have lost (missing or deceased), a family member or friend in a horrible and tragic way the last thing you do or WANT to do is to go out and party hard while that friend is still missing. maybe if they are DEAD, then I have seen people just decompensate. i personally, have been that phone call to help one get through a lonely and depressed night of not being able to bear the loss of their loved one.
As far as your comment of “different people grieve differently-different strokes”, I invite you to come to a Grief Counseling Meeting and see how these people grieve. even college age kids! maybe your eye would be open, too. people grieve appropriately, fourteen years of surviving tells me what appropriate is.
I wish her friends luck, good health and pray that they had nothing to do with her disappearance. I hope that they go on and become valued members of a society and live a great life even with Morgan gone and possibly do great things that honor their friend. I am not critical or judgemental of them. i just think of them as being stupid when they post pictures of their underage drinking.
all I am saying is, if a complete stranger would come out to help search and donate her time and money. put her family on hold for a weekend. is that too much to expect of Morgan’s friends? maybe so but I do not like the “batter up” comment. we, as in you too, are all here to try to do everything we can to help find this girl. I go over and over what everyone posts, I watch the news, I pay attention to the Harrington website for Morgan. I look at facebook after facebook. I just firmly believe that we should not leave any stone unturned even if that means looking at each and everyone. last I checked, I did not think that LE ruled out anyone? am I wrong?
AtotheK: I am not in anyway trying to upset you…I am just tying to give you insight into my world and why I was upset at their Halloween night party. their friend Morgan, who, no doubt, would be there right along with them, IS MISSING!
Sue said, “Umm…anyone know who or what Sara Snead is supposed to be?
I am at a loss.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/45838843@N02/”
Someone up post said she was Frankenhooker!LoL
Observer,
In reference to my post, I hope you will accept my humble apology. I sincerely apologize to you personally and publically in regards to my post where I took out of context what you posted on a previous thread. I used a very poor choice of words.
I respect you a great deal, and if anyone should look in a not so “good” of a light, it is me.
Your presence here is very much esteemed by myself and others. You are judged here by those of us that contribute here, by your own intelligence and insights. Certainly, not one poster here is affected by what by what I had said. You stand on your own merit.
I will admit ( we were posters behaving badly) last night, as is reflected in the tone of my post and others here on this thread, I suppose we were all a little taken aback, and dissappointed with the content of the pictures, and the message we all walked away after digesting the friends actions so shortly after Morgans dissappearance.
All that being said, still is not justification for me to pull your name into my post.
I know that you are sincere and determined to see closure in this case, whatever that may be.
Respectfully,
Chad
Sue and Sherlock although I agree there is a possibility Morgan may not have been at the concert and may have had other plans. I do not agree with your teasoning Sherlock in how you got to this. You mentioned Morgan’s posters, she also had Metallica on her wall. I have met and hung out, with many people who are music lover’s as I myself am a music lover. ALL TYPES OF MUSIC Morgan could have liked a vast array of bands and a vast array of music listening to the Beatles or Metallica does not prevent you from liking other types of music.
As to Sue’s question how was she witnessed to be at the concert? answer Dee and Dave. Dave is the only one to come forward and give an account of his conversation with “Morgan” all other witnesses could have mistakenly thought they saw Morgan but instead saw Dee or another look alike. It was dark, it was raining.
In light of finding out Dan the driver of Morgan’s “party” is friends with Dee or/and Dave the person who saw and spoke with Morgan in the p.lot before the concert, and his “party” just miraculously happened to be leaving the concert at the same time as Morgan’s “party” sans Morgan
Was Dee part of Dave’s party? Did she arrive AND exit at the same time as Morgan’s “party”? When does she come into this?
J2theK – thank you for your post. I agree with a lot of the things you said. After losing a close friend in May, we partied in her honor a few nights later. Then again, she wasn’t missing – we knew her fate. We toasted to her and drank her favorite drink in her honor. By no means was it a party though. It was a sad, tear-filled gathering of 3 people mourning the loss of a good friend. My photos from that night are not fun and smiley, they are mostly somber. We did drink alcohol though.
On another note, (I’m not trying to start more gossip or scrutiny of people who probably aren’t invovled, but) is this picture of morgan? It looks like her. Found it through the Friends list for Krystle Barker.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1569960076&ref=mf#/profile.php?id=1158219008
Detectives Put in Long Hours to Find Woman’s Killer
http://www.wset.com/news/stories/1209/687397.html
I know you all feel very confident that Morgan’s friends hold the key to her whereabouts. Please don’t be too enamored of the twenty-something internet circle of friends; true, there may have been illicit and VERY STUPID behavior before, during and after the the date she went missing, but that does not rule-out a serious sociopath combing the state of Virginia.
As this news story states, 62 leads in Cassandra’s case have gone nowhere. Lynchburg/Liberty Univ. is not that far from VAT (Virginia Tech) and Cassandra disappeared the Saturday before Morgan.
Cassandra may have been a “test subject”; her victimization not related to race, but to being female, young and small and MAYBE, JUST “A” MAYBE, soliciting in some way.
I am an older woman who believes that no female deserves to be abducted and killed NO MATTER WHAT THEY ARE DOING OR HOW THEY LOOK!
I think these two cases are more closely related than not…I hope the Virginia State Police and FBI agree.
A lovely, coworker of mine was killed in a random act of heinous violence in 2006 in the State of Virginia; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Richmond_spree_murders.
Before this case was solved, we all thought many things…all wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong! A friend of theirs and a brother-in-law were all considered Persons Of Interest and the Police were SO WRONG on this, until the tips were called in by Philly Police and the perpetrator’s family.
Too often, random acts of violence converge with coincidence and we are blinded by the obvious.
Everyone’s life is a contradiction…that’s life. Let’s get back on track on thinking out-of-the-box.
Ohio mom,
That was a very scarey night. Kids and drinking do not mix. I still worry about both of my kids all the time, with drinking. My daughter is away at college, and I worry about her ALL the time, drinking, drugs, safety etc. I suppose you never stop worrying. Morgan could have been any one of our children missing.
No, my son never did tell me what happened. But that incident scared the h*** out of him and his friends.
Also, Ohio mom, I do not live in C’ville. That was Skyler that drove her son to the concert that night.
Fish: LOL! That would be a great handle for you. That frontal lobe doesn’t fully develope until 21-23 years of age.
Black Pearl: Most excellent post. Profound and humilty are the words for the day!
Sally lou Thanks for the Flicker account
Re: #701 Comment by redly — December 23, 2009 @ 2:03 pm
Redly, I agree with a lot of what you say. I think that perhaps the social circle and history may be very informative. I have also wondered what caused MH to change schools her senior year? You speculated that perhaps MH got into trouble… maybe at school, maybe law, maybe with her parents…but perhaps her parents took action. If so, this is one point where she would be seen as being different from the group. Perhaps all the other parents turned a blind eye to the partying and perhaps even supplied the alcohol, hotel rooms, etc.
I found it very interesting that Morgan was not in the photos from the beach…[at my high school that was called Senior Week...so that's how I'm going to refer to it]. I can only assume that MH wasn’t allowed to go. [Side note: I was not allowed to go to Senior Week...my group of girlfriends went on an "alternative senior week" where there was a beach but no alcohol or partying involved...my parents were very strict and overprotective]. If this is the case, then there are repeated wedges being driven between MH and the rest of the 9.
More so if it was felt that she “confessed” it all to her parents and/or they made a stink with other parents then there would be distrust and or resentment felt by the 8 towards MH. There could be other reasons for a growing separation from the group. But it wouldn’t surprise me if there were a specific event or series of events… remember OYE’s resentment and bitterness towards MH and the Harrington’s?
A sample of statements from OYE that illustrate my point:
“…over-surveillance by parents”
“…friends eventually write them off because it is just too frustrating to deal with.”
“Parents deny “this doesnt happen to us”, “she would never do that” “this is someone else’s fault” blah, blah & try to deal with it quietly.”
“…her mom’s constant referral to her as “our baby”, etc. they were not ready for Morgan to grow up. Morgan seems to have broken out of the shelter, and, unfortunately, most likely to her detriment.”
“I know that no one wants to believe that something bad “just happened” to a bright, beautiful, unselfish young lady in the prime of her life.”
All of those statements make me think that the Harrington’s knew the friends partied too much, and were trying to protect their Morgan as much as possible. Friends don’t like the watchful eye, the rules that come with hanging with Morgan, the “frustration” of dealing with her…and them….
I agree 100% with:
Comment by fish — December 23, 2009 @ 3:23 pm
When you see friends drinking after losing their “best friend” less than 2 weeks prior, I would expect it to be a somber occasion, not the celebration evident in these pictures. Yes, everyone grieves differently, but I have never witnessed this type of grieving!
What is the likelihood of a purse being thrown and the contents spill out and scatters before the purse hits the ground? Could the purse travel a longer distance than the contents? I wasn’t a physics major…could you guess?
# 659 Hummingbird, and Jen , I don’t know what SS was thinking, the other girls seem to have planned there costumes to a nauseating degree.
What could SS costume be? I have to believe she put alot of time into her costume also. So ? I thought the girl dressed as a guitar was insensitive too… I mean her friend did go missing from a heavy metal concert.
Others have said maybe they believe Morgan is safe somewhere, well if that’s true it is still insensitive to her family and to her memory.
Blink, I apologize, I found my previous post regarding the link to the pic.
Re: #713 Comment by sandyeggo — December 23, 2009 @ 3:38 pm
Sandy, in my opinion that absolutely does look like Morgan. What the heck? I can’t access the profile but I hope someone else can…I wouldn’t be surprised if it were a secondary account.
Someone please follow up. TIA.
I agree BlackPearl that does look like Morgan- Thanks for posting sandyeggo
Yesterday, a young (to me, she is 23) friend came for a Christmas visit. I relayed to her my interest in the Morgan Harrington case. She immediately berated me for the foolishness of such an endeavor. She compared it to reality TV and other voyeuristic activities that claim the minds and energies of some people. Her argument was, if only a fraction of the effort and attention could be funneled into issues that make a difference to the greater good– what a difference for our world would it be. She acknowledged how heartbreaking and tragic this situation must be for ALL directly involved, but for the thousands of people outside of this circle, Morgan’s life (or death) is just another very sad story.
I have been pondering her words since yesterday. After the veiled accusations and judgments expressed on this site in the last 24 hours, I was almost starting to believe her argument.
I think though, there is wisdom to be gained for all in following Morgan’s story. To be able to listen to all the views, ideas and opinions posted here we gain brilliant insight into the differences in humans. To be able to hear others thoughts and opinions and to take those and expand on them is the foundation of critical analysis. The creativity involved in the postings here are astounding and through each, we are able to expand the boundaries of this case. Hopefully we can take these levels of thought processes to other arenas in our lives. Observing (I love Observer’s moniker!) the comments in this space I offer, not as a judgment but as a plea, that we appreciate the gift of communication and of this forum, and try to separate our words from the emotions. Many of us are devastated by Morgan’s story, and angered by some things we don’t think are appropriate. It is easy to find a victim to vent our feelings on, it doesn’t make it right though.
Some thoughts:
–I once hired a 20 year old daughter of a friend. This young woman was into drugs and drinking too far for me to allow continued employment. One comment she once made to me was how she and her friends had to “take care” of someone who dropped out of the scene. Silly me, I thought she meant a good kind of “taking care”. No, she meant scaring the crap out of this person and encouraging her back into the scene because she knew too much and they were afraid since she was cleaning up her act she might rat them all out.
–Another thing she said is encouraging a newbie into the lifestyle was a mixture of peer pressure and slipping things into their drinks to weaken their resistance.
–If someone knows something and is afraid to say something (yes, you WILL probably be subjected to public humiliation and thousands of people knowing about every minute detail of your life!). I am speaking directly to you now. Your life will NEVER be your own. You will forever be watching over your shoulder waiting for when you will be ratted out. You will never be able to hold your newborn child (when, if you have one) without feeling the pain, anguish and wrong you were involved in. If more than one person knows, you will be ratted out eventually and it will result in so much greater public humiliation and pain than you can ever receive now. Your best bet is to say what you know now…if you were an accessory perhaps you can make a deal. Don’t think about what is stopping you from saying what you know—think about doing the right thing. If you can do that, no matter what your culpability, I for one will be applauding you.
Blink, can you please give some insight into your line of thinking regarding OYE’s posts? Perhaps its because we lack evidence and seem to be going in circles, but I’m believing OYE’s story more an more…
considering that all of her belongings except her camera (and cell phone battery were found)…everything else ditched…
that OYE is bitter and makes reference to issues dating back to HS…
That Morgan was told “not to get drunk at that party”…
The fact that Morgan was absent from the Senior Week drinking party…
…that OYE seems to dislike the Harrington’s level of involvement in Morgan’s life…
OYE also said something about the party-goers being scared and dumping her somewhere hoping that someone would connect the dots…what if whoever was involved is blatantly aware that dots aren’t being connected and OYE (either involved or an acquaintance of someone who is) is trying to put out more info so that connections can be made? is it possible that OYE didn’t necessarily dislike MH before but does now that this situation happened…and OYE was “dragged” into the mess?
Part of me finds this theory very plausible but part of me is distrustful of someone who obviously harbors negative feelings towards MH and family…
Comment by fish — December 23, 2009 @ 3:23 pm
fish,
I am in no way upset nor offended by your comment. I agree wholeheartedly people should learn to grieve in a healthy way. I never said I agree with drinking away your pain is ok…But no one is the same…everyone is different. Please accept that.
I have a complete open mind about others…we do not know what those girls have done or not done. I do not think its as shocking (as it is to some) to see these girls drinking 2 weeks after their friend is missing. (Please note: Missing…not confirmed dead)
It’s typical college age behavior. I do not condone but to judge them and call them sluts or that they don’t care is ruthless. No one here can speak for them (unless one posts for themselves) about their thought process.
The FB photos may be public domain b/c they are, but probably unknown to the owner that they are being plastered on a crime site for a smear campaign and are probably not of their intention. (For some of you unfamiliar in FB world, the recent settings have changed and have allowed others profile to be viewed when they are meant to be private, I know as some friends were effected by this)
Another note: Underage drinking is not something brand new. Not sure why many are shocked by this.
Comment by Ocho — December 23, 2009 @ 2:51 pm
Agreed!
I respect everything else in your comment but the reference to the smear campaign. That’s just wrong. We are not talking about showing your bosom before 5PM.
B
Re: #713 Comment by sandyeggo — December 23, 2009 @ 3:38 pm
I definitely think that photo is of Morgan (already said this)…though that doesn’t necessarily mean she created that account. Still, if you search Facebook for that name “shwan halmat” you get two accounts… the one in question with MH’s picture, no network, and sex listed as male… and another in Roanoke without a picture. This could be a fun, silly side account… the name– which might be an inside joke (?)– could be pronounced like Swan Helmet. Regardless of whether it was a silly thing posted by MH or someone else, perhaps it contains info….
I am of the opinion is someone’s version of a joke, and yes, the name is not becoming. I get it. Some people.
B
To Chad, 12/23, 3:30pm: Thank you for your most gracious (but unnecessary) apology. I understand well–and share–everyone’s frustration. It’s so very easy in these threads to lose one’s way and mis-read someone’s intent or sentiments. [I know I've done that myself, more than once.]
One of the biggest downsides to any written communication is that it is one-dimensional. In the written word we’re not afforded the opportunity to discern cadence, timbre, subtle nuance, inflection, etc.–all things we routinely use to help us identify intent.
The bottom line: I trust that everyone who posts here has the best of intentions. With that, I include you as one of the most heartfelt of the posters and I thank you sincerely for your contributions.
RE: the on-line pics of MH’s friends: I’ve not viewed them (as I eschew FB) but have a sense of what was displayed based on the descriptions in above posts. I might only offer this: it’s diffcult to appreciate how different might people react and cope with tragedy, especially one as troubling as a friend gone missing. At age 20 we are invincible–or so we believe. We think that nothing bad can ever happen to us.
And then it does. And when it does, our world is shattered beyond measure. We are unsure what to do and how to cope. Our life is turned upside down and nothing seems to make sense anymore. We question everything we once knew. Our own mortality–something rarely considered earlier–meets us head-on, and the ensuing collison shakes us to our core.
And we react. Differently. In ways that may make no sense whatsoever to others–even to our peers. Sometimes even to ourselves.
While I cannot pretend to understand for a moment how MH’s friends feel today, I likewise cannot presume to know how they should or should not react to her disappearance.
Because I might act or react quite differently in a situation does not mean that mine is the only “right” or appropriate way to respond.
Shock and grief are very personal, intimate journeys. One has only to read Gil Harrington’s blog to appreciate this.
Shawan Halmat (Facebook with Morgan photo) belongs to 6 pages on Facebook… one of them is Electric Chameleon the band… who was supposedly having their video shot on the night of Oct. 17th.
Can anyone tell this Facebook account is bugging me out?
Fish -
I agree 100% and I’m sorry for your loss (post #709).
First of all, I’m from way overseas in a whole different time zone, and not a native English speaker. So if I sound a bit strange, that’s because I am.
I have been following this case on this site almost since Morgan went missing and I have much respect for Blink and her army of Thinking Goblet Wearers.
That said, I think Atothek and Teri are right to point out that we cannot judge Morgan’s friends bassed on foto’s on Facebook and, well, missing information.
No disrespect Fish, but you can say that you know how YOU respond when someone is taken away from you. (I’m sincerely sorry for your loss, really no disrespect here) But how others might do is a different story.
I was transfered in my last year of highschool (coïncidence) to a school where a boy went missing weeks prior. As it was my birthday and I wanted to get to know my new classmates, I threw a party and after weeks of stress and mourning they, well, partied and laughed like the happiest people in the world. I was surprissed because it seemed strange, but, on the other hand, it just isn’t.
I had a simular experience in college. A girl, loved by us all,commited suicide and left us in grief and disbelief. Whe mourned, but stangely so, we also had fun at some times. Whe were all undergoing an extraordinary sad experience and that bounded us. We needed to unload sometimes. At that age energy can go all sorts of places.
Point being, whe sincerely mourned over that girl (I still do), but nobody was taking pictures.
I know you’re not setting up a smear campaign Blink, but as you said: These women are underage. Kids. I think we really need to be carefull about what we say about them out here. As long as LE don’t bring them in as suspects, we most definetly shouldn’t.
I am sensitive to what you are saying. I also believe in the option of not uploading your half naked azz doing shots on the web. For the record, I am not a prude, but as you point out these girls are still “kids” so wth is a parent to say.. Dear.. I think it is in bad taste to show your friends cavorting while your friend is missing.
Or how about the risk the girls are putting themselves in, a la Morgan?
B
Dee is responding to questions on FB….
#713 – YES, that does look like Morgan and I would venture to say it is by the facial bones / features and what’s even weirder yet – says gender is male and is a fan of Electric Cameleon!
MAN, IS THAT WEIRD!!! IF MALE AS SAYS, IS THIS A GUY SO OBSESSED WITH MORGAN THAT HE HAS HER PIC AS HIS PROFILE PIC OR WHAT????? IF NOT MALE, THEN WHAT THE HECK ?!?!?!
Says their name is “Shwan Halmat” and is also a fan of a body building site in Roanoke.
i am guessing y’all have seen dee’s entries on the hfmh face book page/ discussions/ everyone needs to see this
Bring it over
B
Look honestly, I don’t think there is cause for argument here. Everyone can take what they want from these photos. For me, this is not how “kids” deal. These girls are 21. At the age of 21 I had already graduated college and started a “real” job. It is not right. If Morgan has dissapeared on my watch I would be dedicating any free time I had to finding my “sister.” One week isn’t long enough.
I don’t understand the part where the Harrington’s would be upset about this. They have a missing daughter. I think that is where their concern lies. These pics have nothing to do with them. Maybe it will open their eyes. Who knows. At any rate, they are posted all over the sites so they were bound to find out anyway.
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Post #32
Mehmet Arif Taskiran wrote4 hours ago
I believe it’s what Morgan would have wanted them to do. She wouldn’t want her friends to sit and cry all the time.
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Post #33
Mari Lily wrote4 hours ago
Post #29 Mark Turner wrote:
“Posting images for public view doesn’t mean you give up copyright/ownership. You can bet the major news sites will tell you they still own the images they post.”
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Mark,
I did not post images. I posted *Links To* to the images.
There is a very big difference between the two.
Let me also make clear to all…
These images were not set to private. They are posted publicly, that is how I was able to find them. I/We wouldn’t be able to view them if they were private, correct?
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Post #34
Heidi Martin wrote4 hours ago
We all care about Morgan very deeply by now; both those that know her in person and those that only know her through this site. Are there any of us that have not had moments of joy/ happiness since October 17th? I see these pictures also say “21st birthdays”. Has anyone else not celebrated a birthday, anniversary, birth of a child?
Has anyone else not ever become so stressed out that you’ve needed to just “break loose”?
Do we have such little faith in our LE officials that we really believe the friends weren’t among the FIRST to be looked at? We all have our parts of what we can do as far as helping the investigation, but please don’t let that blind you to think LE isn’t also doing their part. LE officials are caring human beings as well, with families of their own, of course they care enough & are professional enough to do their jobs thoroughly.
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Post #35
Jenni Owens Gallagher wrote3 hours ago
I agree with your statement about LE, Heidi, and never thought the friends were involved in her disappearance. I just think that maybe they’re not the “great friends” that they’ve been described as. I think that perception comes from not only the pics, but also the circumstances surrounding her disappearance (letting Morgan leave alone, allowing her to “find her own way home” instead of leaving the concert, etc.), and the absence of statements made by the friends. Sure, even those who are grieving have moments of joy, but to actively dress up in costumes and party two weeks after?? That seems extremely callous. I guess I am so bothered by it not b/c I think it implicates guilt, but b/c I think it shows a HUGE lack of respect for Morgan and her family.
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Post #36
Megan Nichols wrote3 hours ago
Let me just say this, I don’t think the friends had any involvement with Morgan’s dissapearance. What these pictures tell me, however is that they weren’t that close to Morgan in the first place. As someone on Blink’s site pointed out she transferred schools senior year. Maybe there was some animosity? I believe there is a lot more to this story. I am not sure these girls feel the weight of what has happened. Maybe Morgan has a tendancy to walk on the wild side of life-she seems to have friends of all walks of life. She seems to be very accepting. Maybe her friends aren’t that upset because they felt this was bound to happen in one way or another.
And as Charles pointed out, they posted these pics all over FB. It is like they don’t care who sees them. Everyone keeps saying that their character is in question. That they are taking the heat. People are making wrong assumptions of these girls. Well, then be smart about your actions. Pics like these on FB don’t help your reputation.
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Post #37
Jenni Owens Gallagher wrote3 hours ago
Just looked at the pics again, and want to add that I see NO trace of grief on these faces. I have an aunt who lost her teenage son last December, and even a year later in her pictures you see the sadness of her loss. Her grief is very visible, even through smiles. All I see on these faces is the carefree joy of adolescence. No trace of their love for Morgan. Forgive me for being so judgmental, I’m just having trouble getting past the fact that they were having such a grand time while their childhood friend was suffering through god-knows-what.
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Post #38
Megan Nichols wrote3 hours ago
I am having trouble getting past them too. Say what you will, but it looks as though these girls are having the time of their life. Dancing, chugging, uncontrolable laughter. Sure, at their age I might get out a little just so that I don’t sit home all day and dwell, but Jenni you are right, this is a lack of respect for the Harrington’s. And people who are drinking to numb the pain don’t do it in these types of social situations dressed up in costumes. If they are using alcohol to numb the pain or deal with it, I believe it would be in isolation. This was a party, and these girls were partying. And all next to a 241 sign. Sad.
Friends are supposed to look out for eachother. Morgan’s dad buys these tickets. They take Morgan’s car. Yet Morgan is left all alone in a parking lot? Like I said, I used to defend, but now there isn’t a doubt in my mind that these girls left her out in that parking lot because they wanted to stay and watch the concert. It seems as though nothing can stop these girls from partying the way they do.
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Post #39
Dee Spolarics (JMU) wrote3 hours ago
I can’t believe you are exploiting them this way. They want to do NOTHING but help, and even during this time they had Morgan’s 2-4-1 all over the place. She is always on their minds, and I am sure Morgan would have wanted them to still be able to let loose and be themselves. These girls feel this strain of losing Morgan harder and more deeply than anybody on here, and they don’t need extra stress with people judging them over a couple of innocent pictures.
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Post #40
Megan Nichols wrote3 hours ago
If they see nothing wrong in their behavior then these pics shouldn’t matter. Right?
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Post #41
Jenni Owens Gallagher wrote2 hours ago
Perhaps Morgan is a bigger person than I, but if I were missing I would NOT want my friends to be partying like everything was just fine two weeks after my disappearance. I would be extremely hurt to know that they could go on finding pleasure in costume parties and getting drunk while I was in danger. If my best friend were missing I would turn this world upside down to find her, and I would expect her to do the same for me.
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Post #42
Megan Nichols wrote2 hours ago
Yes, Jenni. Or i was going to say mabye Morgan wouldn’t want them to continue the party lifestyle. Maybe she would say, it isn’t worth it. Spend time with your loved ones. Bad things can happen.
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Post #43
Dee Spolarics (JMU) wrote2 hours ago
Well this isn’t about what “you” would do. Just let them be, they’ve been through enough.
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Post #44
Missy Allred wrote2 hours ago
I understand that these pictures might be disturbing to some but honestly, HONESTLY…I don’t see anything wrong with these young people having fun. Just because someone they care about went missing, does not mean their lives stop. As sad as the situation is, you SHOULD NOT judge someone until you’ve WALKED a mile in their shoes. You have NO IDEA if they had a toast for Morgan while the party was going on, you have no idea if Morgan’s name came up many times during their evening. You know NOTHING about the “whole picture” of Morgan’s friends and their celebration of a Birthday or Halloween and what went on throughout the event. I don’t know Morgan or any of these other people however, it is not my place to judge them. Remember…JUDGE NOT LEST THEE BE JUDGED!!!
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Post #45
Dee Spolarics (JMU) wrote2 hours ago
Beautifully said Missy.
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Post #46
Megan Nichols wrote2 hours ago
We will agree to disagree then. There is no point in arguing about it.
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Post #47
Missy Allred wroteabout an hour ago
Arguing? Again, you jump to conclusions. There is no argument here, I simply posted a response on this discussion board, NOT to you personally. But please, remember….ugly, vicious rumors and innuendos have ruined many a good persons life. One tragedy should not beget more tragedies by abhorrent gossip.
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Post #48
Lisa Plummer wroteabout an hour ago
I agree Missy.
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Post #49
Megan Nichols wroteabout an hour ago
Ok. There is no point in going back and forth about it. Everyone is entitled to form their own opinions. Correct?
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Post #50
Angela Wickline Jackson wroteabout an hour ago
I am not going to allow myself to fall into an argument so this is the last thing I will say however we have not heard one word from the Morgan look a like Dee Spolarics about wanting Morgan found, no prayers, no interest on the board at all but now suddenly shows up to defend the friends for partying, I just dont understand the way people think
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Post #51
Megan Nichols wroteabout an hour ago
I was thinking the same thing. People have tried desperatley to try and reach out to her just to get some simple questions answered about HER. Not even Morgan…and nothing. About three weeks ago people were desperatley searching though videos and asking if Dee could confirm that the blonde was her. She said nothing, just kept people speculating. Now granted she doesn’t owe anybody anything, but again, why is there such a lack of help from the “friends” end.
I didn’t post this to start arguments. I knew I would get backlash for it. And that’s ok. It is worth people taking a deeper look into this case.
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Post #52
Dee Spolarics (JMU) wroteabout an hour ago
I don’t need to write a comment on a group in order to prove that I care, now you’re just making more issues about something that is nothing. I’ve been following this site a lot but I only comment when I think it is important, such as clearing something up or trying to defend people I know from falling into vicious rumors. The fact that your trying to question my intentions now is absolutely ridiculous and childish. So this is the last thing I say. The only thing I want to do is help, not hurt, and make the best out of the situation we are given. I have wanted to help since the beginning, but that is by focusing on what is important, and not falling into theories of conspiracies and judgment.
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Post #53
Julie K. West Edwards wroteabout an hour ago
Missy, you posted exactly what I was thinking. Good for you. I also agree with Mehmet’s earlier post. Things taken out of context can always be misconstrued. Morgan’s friends have done nothing wrong. The only criminal in this heartbreaking situation is the person who took Morgan and has prevented her from coming home.
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Post #54
Megan Nichols wroteabout an hour ago
Thanks for clearing that up Dee. I understand.
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Post #55
Charlotte Apter wrote59 minutes ago
Dee, I completely understand why u have chosen not to be active on here.Things get totally blown out of proportion here and everyone personalized things like pics of friends, etc.Through no fault of your own you have been mixed up in a horrible tragdey and a lot of focus has shifted from finding Morgan to just name calling, placing blame and the like.Try to keep positive thoughts that Morgan will be found soon.
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Post #56
Dee Spolarics (JMU) wrote58 minutes ago
Thank you I appreciate it. Happy Holidays to all.
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Post #57
Aviva Arehart wrote54 minutes ago
Dee? Could you please answer this ONE question.. PLEASE? Did you happen to fall at the concert and hurt your chin?
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Post #58
Jenni Owens Gallagher wrote50 minutes ago
You’re right Missy, it’s not my place to judge, and I wish I was a big enough person to not do so, but those pics have really gotten under my skin. I simply cannot understand those pics representing the normal actions of someone grieving the disappearance of a friend. Again, I don’t believe they have done anything criminal, I am just bothered by the apparent lack of respect for Morgan and her family and the somberness of the situation.
Is this a generational thing? Do the college-age people on the board feel these pics are not inappropriate? Perhaps I’m just ten years too old to understand…
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Post #59
Jenn Martus wrote43 minutes ago
My two cents.. while I have had my moments of questions and doubts concerning the friends…this is not really one of them. We don’t know Morgan..or her friends..to judge them is unfair. Like so many have said already regarding these pics..maybe this is the way Morgan would have wanted it to be..or maybe this is just how these young women are able to handle what has happened..by just ‘getting away’ so to speak..if only for a night…
And as far as it being disrespectful to the parents? I beg to differ…what I feel is disrespectful is them having to look on these sites and watch the bickering that goes on daily just because people may have different opinions…while thier daughter is missing..and probably deceased..at Christmas…
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Post #60
Aviva Arehart wrote42 minutes ago
I agree with you Jenni. Instead of partying up I would have thought the friends would have passed out flyers. Yes, we all grieve in our own way but to party only after 14 days, like no care in the world? Then us strangers discussing on this forum, doing ground searches, praying, etc., what’s wrong with this picture?
Dee Spolarics (JMU) wrote41 minutes ago
I’m going to write something to try to clear up all misconceptions about me, feel free to use it to clear up things in other places:
I got to the concert early with me and my 4 guy friends, all in black T-shirts, one of them being my boyfriend. We were in General Admission. I stayed there the whole time expect for going to the bathroom a few times. I wore my hair down but put it up at one point because it was hot. I did not fall, I did not get hurt, I was not drinking, there was no conflict, I was just watching a concert. We did not really move around all that much. At the end, I was trying to get picks that they were throwing out like everybody else. My boyfriend and I got one of those big balloons and walked out together with it. We went outside and with the huge crowd of people going outside then we got into our friend’s car and went back to JMU and went to sleep because we were all exhausted. That’s it. I hope that can clear up anybody’s questions.
Now let’s keep in mind what this is really about, MORGAN. Best wishes to all, happy holidays.
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Aviva Arehart wrote40 minutes ago
Thank you Dee.
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Megan Nichols wrote28 minutes ago
Dee that is awesome. Thank you for your help.
On another note, for those of you who are offended by the pics I have NO PROBLEM deleting my post. Just say the words.
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Jenn Martus wrote24 minutes ago
Dee..I am sorry to ask yet another question..but I am thinking back to one of the ‘sightings’ near the bridge..where they saw a blonde with 4 guys in black..and assumed it was Morgan. Reading your post and seeing you were with 4 guys in black..was this you they saw possibly?!? And thank you for the Holiday wishes…the same to you and yours.
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Dee Spolarics (JMU) wrote9 minutes ago
You know, I’m guessing it was but I cannot say with 100% certainty.
Dee Spolarics on FB
I’m going to write something to try to clear up all misconceptions about me, feel free to use it to clear up things in other places:
I got to the concert early with me and my 4 guy friends, all in black T-shirts, one of them being my boyfriend. We were in General Admission. I stayed there the whole time expect for going to the bathroom a few times. I wore my hair down but put it up at one point because it was hot. I did not fall, I did not get hurt, I was not drinking, there was no conflict, I was just watching a concert. We did not really move around all that much. At the end, I was trying to get picks that they were throwing out like everybody else. My boyfriend and I got one of those big balloons and walked out together with it. We went outside and with the huge crowd of people going outside then we got into our friend’s car and went back to JMU and went to sleep because we were all exhausted. That’s it. I hope that can clear up anybody’s questions.”
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=162224546575&topic=11420&start=60&hash=3a56529b478751a2f7da7c73e962634d
Now let’s keep in mind what this is really about, MORGAN. Best wishes to all, happy holidays.
the first part of this comment was not by me…
Megan Nichols on FB
I realize that some people may get very angry with this post. But this is a criminal case. We need to look at everything in order to bring Morgan home! This needs to be addressed. Now before you say, “oh well they are young,” or “they have to get on with their lives,” I want you to ask yourself if you know of any 21 year old that would act this way just a mere 2 WEEKS after their best friend goes missing? This is a HUGE case that has brought about NATIONAL new coverage. And 2 weeks later, this is how they act. They can’t even give up Halloween weekend to go home and search for one of their own. One of their own who by the way went missing on two of these girls (in the album) on their watch. No remorse IMO.
I would suggest you click on this first and the click through the whole album http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30625810&id=1564500045&fbid=1241655612563. Notice the 241 in the background. WOW! Words escape me.
Anyone else? BTW…don’t kill the messenger.
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=162224546575&topic=11420&start=60&hash=3a56529b478751a2f7da7c73e962634d
Megan Nichols on FB
As would I. I really did not post these to stir up trouble. I posted them because I used to defend Sara and Amy, and somethihng is very off here. Very off. My best friends have been my friend since I was little (like the group). This just isn’t the way I or anyone I would have known would handle it.
Charles, the girl in the toilet paper suit is Amy Melvin.
Jenn Martus Asked
Dee..I am sorry to ask yet another question..but I am thinking back to one of the ‘sightings’ near the bridge..where they saw a blonde with 4 guys in black..and assumed it was Morgan. Reading your post and seeing you were with 4 guys in black..was this you they saw possibly?!? And thank you for the Holiday wishes…the same to you and yours.
Dee Spolarics answer
You know, I’m guessing it was but I cannot say with 100% certainty.
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=162224546575&topic=11420&start=60&hash=3a56529b478751a2f7da7c73e962634d#topic_top
Blink,
Did Dan, the driver, attend (go inside the arena) the concert?
If yes, did he stay for all three bands?
Oh Blink I guess AWA and Word Girl beat me to it no need to post mine from Facebook.
Dee Splarics Facebook Page See Picture
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=162224546575&topic=11420&start=60&hash=3a56529b478751a2f7da7c73e962634d#/profile.php?id=1335840179
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Awa and Word Girl, Thanks for bringing this over.
>>Comment by BlackPearl — December 23, 2009 @ 4:47 pm
Shawan Halmat (Facebook with Morgan photo) belongs to 6 pages on Facebook… one of them is Electric Chameleon the band… who was supposedly having their video shot on the night of Oct. 17th.
Can anyone tell this Facebook account is bugging me out? <<<<
it’s buggin’ me, too, BP — I did a google search of the name “Halmat” — there’s another person, whose pix comes up on FB. He is male, is from Roanoke, his profile says he is in Roanoke and goes to school in the medical field, links to EC band, and has tattoos from his elbow to his wrists showing — someone earlier posted a youtube video w/ a comment that she was seen getting into a minivan at 7-11 w/ people having tattoos — someone posted that the person commenting on youtube was a troll — but what if it was a “troll” telling the truth ? — the 7-11 is apparently near Copeley & Ivy —
I am glad Dee posted that she and her “party” — my word, not hers — got to the arena early and stayed inside — which it looked like Dee in the LOG video on the floor — so if Richmond bookkeeper’s time is somewhat accurate of approximately 9 PM of seeing blonde woman w/ 4 males — Dee’s inside — her statement that they went back to JMU and went to sleep makes sense — my boys were exhausted, as well, and asleep w/in 15 mins. after leaving Charlottesville — it was a high-energy event.
The FB Halloween pix bother me — a lot — and absolutely, hell, yeah, I judge them — you don’t dress like that not to be noticed, and you don’t publish on a public forum not to be seen — they wanted attention and they got it — maybe not the attention they were aiming to draw to them, but attention nonetheless —
Underage drinking in Va. is a criminal offense. Supplying alcohol to minors is a criminal offense. If JMU has knowledge of underage drinking and illegal drug use on campus, and condones it — you can condone an action by having no “reaction” allowing the conduct to continue — does anyone know if the location of this party was a dorm room at JMU, or an off-campus apt. ?
JMU has a lot at stake in this.
I, for one, am tired of hearing excuses from or for the little sniffling widgets — the fact is they left Charlottesville without Morgan, without knowing where she was or whom she was with, and didn’t alert anyone until they were called on the carpet by Dr. Harrington, who was alerted when Morgan’s bag was found and turned in.
“we waited for her after the concert” — how long — 20 minutes for the traffic to clear ??? The fact is, they may have found themselves in a position over their head to deal w/and not of their making, but instead of doing anything responsible — and these are NOT children — they never made one phone call to a parent, to the police, what did they do ? They shrugged their shoulders, got in HER car and drove themselves home.
double growl !
I don’t think Blink’s site or those on Blink’s site are into a smear campaign. One person may have gotten out of line and Blink reeled them in.
OYE,(a friend) who has said that the friends believe Morgan may have died of alcohol poisoning were not only partying 2 weeks later, but the choice of costumes was insensitive, period. If your friend died of alcohol poisoning would you be chugging beers so soon after?
I agree people grieve differently. Everyone has a story to tell. But I must point out, that in everyone of these scenarios, the fate of the person was known. Many times the funeral had already taken place. In every scenario noone partying was in anyway responsible for their friends fate. They did not inadvertently cause the chain of events that led to their friends demise.
I feel this is entirely different than Morgan’s story. These weren’t friends once removed. Amy Melvin, Sarah Snead and Dan were there that fateful night. They were there. A series of events that they themselves attributed to led to their friends disappearance. I would think at the very least, any mention of Morgan would send them into a shocked state. They have not delt with the disappearance of Morgan,as far as I can see. Amy Melvin was dancing in front of 421 Sarah Snead dressed in a costume which at 1st 2nd and 3rd glance reminds one of Morgan. Dan drove the girls, had so far escaped media and internet scrutiny, at the very least shouldn’t he have been low key? These friends need to seek help. I hope their families see these photos and get them just that.
Dee S. has been silent, the friends except OYE have been silent. When they do speak they speak in order to stand up for their friends not for Morgan.
When they do speak, still they speak in generalities…. My party… My group, My boyfriend ect. I think they are very aware of what they are doing and what they are saying and not saying. I don’t know if they intended for these pics to get out. But if they were embarrassed of them or thought they could be seen as inappropriate IMO they wouldn’t have them taken, or put up on their walls.
Dee did not mention she met up with Morgan’s friends she did not mention they had plans to go party afterward but Morgan was missing so they couldn’t she did not mention who’s car they arrived or left in,she did not mention the friends demeanor about having “somebody” missing.
“We went outside and with the huge crowd of people going outside then we got into our friend’s car and went back to JMU and went to sleep because we were all exhausted. That’s it. I hope that can clear up anybody’s questions.”
In this “huge” crowd they just happened to meet up with Morgan’s party
Was Dee part of Dave’s party? or is it just coincidentally that 3 separate “party’s” all knew each other in someway, and had seen one another in a crowded p.lot? In Dave’s case more than once?
“I am sensitive to what you are saying. I also believe in the option of not uploading your half naked azz doing shots on the web. For the record, I am not a prude, but as you point out these girls are still “kids” so wth is a parent to say.. Dear.. I think it is in bad taste to show your friends cavorting while your friend is missing.
Or how about the risk the girls are putting themselves in, a la Morgan?
B”
I also believe in the option of not uploading my naked azz on the web, and believe me, so does the web. But as far as I can see on FB, the girls didn’t upload this. Some guy (a friend) did. Ten years ago I was 20 and there are pictures like these. But we needed to print them before we could show them to each other. So these pictures stayed within my circle of friends. I’m glad that I’ve become a little more photogenic since the Facebook days.
Point being: these pics were not posted by the girls, and not intended for strangers to see. We can call these girls naive and slutty and all, but we can also call ourselves papparazi and amateur PI.
About the risk the girls are putting themselves in: I don’t think Morgan vanished because of pics on FB or alcohol/drugs abuse. Something happened. I’ve read some plausible scenario’s here, they all seem to include a huge ammount of bad luck.
I really really hope we find her