Morgan Harrington Case: Virginia State Police On New Search
Charlottesville, VA– Virginia State Police are searching an area of route 64, between mile markers 112 and 114 today in their efforts to locate missing VT student, Morgan Harrington.
Located approximately 4 miles west of Charlottesville, VA, the stretch of highway leads up to an early area of interest, Crozet, VA.
VSP PR Manager, Connie Geller says the area is not being searched based on any new tip.
Check back to blinkoncrime.com for this developing story.
Update #1. Jim Hanchett, Newsplex, reports the search has ended for this area today, and is awaiting any news of other possible search areas.
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Mosaic, I agree with you perhaps there is an explanation for the photo that has nothing to do with HH. Were these friends not told the dangers of taking sharing pics on the WORLD WIDE WEB? Especially after the apparent abduction of Morgan. IMO someone better sit these young women down for their own safety.
Gifter3, I am in no way defending the actions of these friends. I have not seen all the pics. The bottom line is what can learn from these pictures and posts”
IMO, drinking is a big part of a social gathering.
IMO picture taking is a huge part of any gathering.
IMO defending the friends is taken very seriously.
What can we assume?? Drinking was/is the norm. If Morgan couldn’t or shouldn’t or stopped she may have felt like an outsider. I don’t think any of her friends would volunteer for the job of babysitting.
What did we learn?
There should be alot of pics of Morgan and her friends the night of the concert. Before, during and even after. If nothing else there is no doubt about this in my mind.
Something OYE said keeps me up at night..(para) If there was a party and alcohol and or drugs was involved in Morgan’s demise, would the partiers come forward and would they leave her camera with her?
What do we know?
On several different sites, on several different occasions a friend has come forward to defend the actions of those left behind. They seem to have a code they all stick to… Could this extend to Morgan running away and asking her friends not to tell?
luvblink #395 touche and jinx 123.also the girls switched name tags ??? and were pointing and sticking their thumbs out? doubles / double switch? dee and morgan? did someone drink the ballon boy koolaid?
Fish, I did read your previous post I thought it was excellent,I apologize if you felt it was missed. I agree with you, from what we know of these friends they are not behaving as people who are mourning. No way No how.
Maybe they are fooling themselves into believing Morgan is fine and living the free/good life somewhere. If this isn’t the reason, perhaps
they weren’t as close to Morgan as we all believed. I think they are typical self absorbed, immature young college students. What I can not get over is that the 3 people that were with Morgan that night could seemingly be ok enough to celebrate and pose for pics.
Most young people in their shoes, I would think, would be shocked, scared and terrified of being involved in an ongoing police investigation, not even mentioning that I would be devastated thinking what I could’ve, would’ve, should have done the night of Morgan’s disappearance. Yet, I don’t know these people, I don’t know Morgan,I don’t know the Harrington’s. I don’t know if this is acceptable behavior in their eyes. I don’t know.
A Tip, that came to me today-
Just in case anyone was unclear about my stance on psychics:
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A psychic, Claudette Donat, along with her friend, Bull Dog PI, had previously made several attempts to solicit the Harringtons, but were never hired by them.
Apparently, that did not stop Claudette or her PI friend. She used her other names, Loving Helper and Questioner, to befriend online members and gain access to information via various forums such as Facebook page HFMH, FindMorgan, Blink, and others.
She has continued to contact the Harringtons under her ‘new’ name with various new clues she supposedly discovered. She misrepresented herself to others and the Harringtons, who are grieving and vunerable to greedy people. What was this person’s motives for misrepresenting herself?
This person, Loving Helper, Questioner, or Claudette was confronted with the information by someone and she admitted it. She has since had time to come up with an explanation. She is now saying that she is not Claudette, but is Loving Helper, and only created the websites for Claudette.
Whoever she is. She is directly connected to Claudette and the BD PI, but failed to mention that little detail to anyone. And, she continues to contact Dr. Harrington.
http://cdonathelpinghands.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=7&page=1
Unbelievable.
B
Momof3-Post #900 I’m not clear on what you are saying in reference to my #893.
First you say-Gifter3, I am in no way defending the actions of these friends.
But then you go on to say:
IMO defending the friends is taken very seriously.
Momof3-Which do you mean? Just trying to understand???
Thank you for the information Blink.
Questioner? I feel like I’ve been duped. My God, what is wrong with people? I pray for Morgan and The Harringtons, how hopeless they must feel. May none of know the pain and anguish they must deal with every moment.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=2974717&id=654067346&fbid=223028732346
I don’t understand these pix were just posted today…..why?! Especially with the negativity of the previously posted pix?
Morgan’s Dad
Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 17
Thank you
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Cynthia, my wife and I do read and we appreciate all the thoughts and prayers that come from the many people who are trying to help find Morgan. I wish we had more answers. We don’t and it is a very helpless feeling. We have worked hard to keep the story alive but it is difficult to do with no new leads. I fear that Virignia doesn’t realize that 2 young women were abducted within 2 weeks of each other in two cities 1 hour apart. I think we should be worried.
Again thank you for all you do. dan
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OMG I was hoping the family at least had some answers, looks like they are as in the dark as we are. I am so frustrated I can’t imagine how they feel.
Well, let’s take a step back, fill our pipes and take stock of where this case stands in terms of developments after two plus months.
1. There has been no suspect named or profile picture of such released or any POI named by police.
2. There has been no new physical evidence found.
3. No other serial type abductions have happened in the area.
4. No witnesses have come forward with evidence of a crime committed.
5. There has been no new objective evidence made public at all.
There have been, IMO, only two substantial developments recently.
1. A lot of reports of Morgan sightings – the most recent (thanks
Skyler !!) at a strip club in West VA. More on this later.
2. A lot of postings of pictures by her friends on FB, especially these last posted pix with the switched nametags and the HH thumbs.
Do these tell us anything? Maybe. Now normally I try to stick to speculating on known facts only. But in this case, with so few facts substantiated (like we STILL don’t really know who exactly was in that car going to and from the concert), I like many of you have to settle for speculation about speculations!!
So here I’m going out a bit on a speculative limb – be forewarned and don’t accuse me of saying I think she ran away, because I’m not yet convinced of that by any means. Cut me some speculative slack.
I admit up front I have an emotional bias towards this theory because of course it means she is still alive. I think most here, in their heart of hearts would also secretly wish that were true.
The Sightings – at first I dismissed all of these except maybe Granny in the lot. Just too second hand and as I said, a rock concert at a major university is gonna be crawling with young blond girls.
But statistically speaking – the more sightings there are, the more likely it is that ONE of them at least is correct.
Strip clubs – again I know this age group fairly well, I live in a college town myself. We old farts look at strip clubs a different way.
These 20 somethings don’t. To them, it’s just another bar that’s open late to party at. So – could Morgan have been at a strip club in WVA? Certainly possible.
The Pictures – we know at least some of the friends are very active on the internet, and we can assume I think that some of them read this Blink site. Can these latest pix be evidence of them playing games with us? Laughing and posing as hitchhikers because they know that Morgan did NOT do that?
Switching the nametags as a “clue” to taunt us. Did Morgan “switch” and have someone use her ticket and appear on the security cameras (a double? Dee?) to give Morgan an alibi? I know this is a bit far fetched but I’m just speculating. We do know (I think) that Dee WAS connected to Morgan’s circle of friends? Yes?
You have to admit, a more logical (and perhaps kinder to them) theory of the meaning of all these party pix – is NOT that they’re callous people that don’t care if she’s been killed, but that they KNOW she hasn’t been. They are celebrating the fact that she “got away with it” and they’re laughing their asses off at us here and the LE.
Was the purse and contents spilled to make it look as if foul play had happened? Which brings us to –
The Camera – as someone mentioned below, these kids are addicted to digital pictures. We can very safely assume that pix exist of Morgan and friends at that show. You betcha. So where are they? Why haven’t the friends posted a picture of her at the concert as a “tribute” or memorial to their friend?
Unless there are none, or the pictures would show her “twin” instead too clearly. Where are the concert photos folks?
And – while a 20 year old runaway might consider her purse, makeup and even a cell phone as disposable – she would not leave her precious digital camera behind, especially if it contained pictures that told the real story. Dig?
A major rock concert like this would have brought into town people from many states – thus supplying lots of ride opportunities to get far away quickly. One BIG question I would be asking her parents and friends if I were LE, “who did Morgan know at other colleges or in other states?”
All along, I have felt that this case didn’t feel right. Something just felt “phony” or staged about it. Although I admit, I’m still directing my thoughts towards a foul play scenario.
Okay, I’m through speculating about the runaway scenario, for now.
Enough of that limb, until something more definite emerges.
However, If you don’t mind, I would suggest you read the excellent posts I C&P below – I think all these folks show there is a growing suspicion about this case and how it appears. Great posts you all!!
Susanm – you made me laugh with your “Balloon boy kool-aid” comment.
Don’t forget folks – we live in the age of internet hoaxes, yes?
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Comment by Momof3 — December 28, 2009 @ 1:42 am
Most young people in their shoes, I would think, would be shocked, scared and terrified of being involved in an ongoing police investigation, not even mentioning that I would be devastated thinking what I could’ve, would’ve, should have done the night of Morgan’s disappearance. Yet, I don’t know these people, I don’t know Morgan,I don’t know the Harrington’s. I don’t know if this is acceptable behavior in their eyes. I don’t know.
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# Comment by susanm — December 28, 2009 @ 1:29 am
luvblink #395 touche and jinx 123.also the girls switched name tags ??? and were pointing and sticking their thumbs out? doubles / double switch? dee and morgan? did someone drink the ballon boy koolaid?
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Comment by Momof3 — December 28, 2009 @ 1:21 am
What did we learn?
There should be alot of pics of Morgan and her friends the night of the concert. Before, during and even after. If nothing else there is no doubt about this in my mind. Something OYE said keeps me up at night..(para) If there was a party and alcohol and or drugs was involved in Morgan’s demise, would the partiers come forward and would they leave her camera with her?
What do we know?
On several different sites, on several different occasions a friend has come forward to defend the actions of those left behind. They seem to have a code they all stick to… Could this extend to Morgan running away and asking her friends not to tell?
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Comment by luvblink — December 28, 2009 @ 12:31 am
I am starting to feel more than ever that this is a runaway or hoax gone bad. The friends act like they know she is okay somewhere and they are sitting back laughing at all of us. I can somewhat understand the friends from the concert not wanting to speak in public, but where are the other six? The other six friends should have nothing to hide, they can do interviews and ask for her safe return without being questioned about the investigation.
You people have no idea what you are talking about. Loving Helper aka “the questioner” is not the same person as Claudette Donat. Furthermore, neither of those individuals have mis-represented themselves to the Harringtons. As for the PI, he accomplished more on the case in question by far then the vast majority of readers and speculators on here or the findmorgan.com website. Perhaps that is because he’s extremely persistant, or perhaps that’s because he knows a bit about what he’s doing as a PI.
Regardless, it appears the PI has washed his hands of the whole affair. It also appears that LE isnt getting anywhere on the investigation…. yet the armchair detectives as well as you Blink, continue to throw National Inquirer type comments around regarding a situation you know very little about.
How would you have the first clue what has been developed in this investigation?
If it were relative and substantive to an ongoing criminal investigation it would never appear here. I have seen that putz everywhere write he would be “washing his hands of it” for like 2 months, and apparently what he meant was he was going to be misrepresenting himself with a partner and hijacking a forum created by the family to help progress leads to find their missing daughter when their BS tactics to get a gig , repeated I might add, did not work.
How sick is that?
B
Re 904…
Good grief. I can’t see the site w/out registering but I noticed the “for entertainment purposes only” disclaimer. Is this really the same questioner who had been posting here? I recognize this screen name from earlier threads here and on one of the other forums. At times the posts seemed okay but I remember thinking that a few of them were a little off, but I didn’t pay too much attention. I have to admit that I can’t help but feel a bit taken advantage of as I naively assume most posters are genuine. Those that aren’t are pretty obvious.
Is BD PI the one who had info about the front desk person and the Econo Lodge sighting. (Something about seeing Morgan there w/ some guys partying). He was going to make the info public if LE didn’t follow up. Or was this Baaad Bobby (BB)? I remember reading a conversation between BB and questioner and I wondered if BB was Bulldog PI for some reason. Maybe it was just all of the B’s running together. I’ll have to back and re-read. Questioner was really excited for some reason.
OMG, that is hysterical. Claudette/Questioner/Loving Helper and the Stinky PI have all been busted. They had completely hijacked findmorgan.com…I hope all the psychics get ratted out over there and at HFMDH. They are an insult.
Great post, Gifter3. Where are these young women’s parents? How did these girls not get any lessons in human decency and respect? What is wrong that it has come to this?
Maybe Morgan did run away and they don’t give a crap. Or they didn’t like her and they don’t give a crap. I hope they all start giving a crap soon.
Post #903 — ??!!!!????? “Apparently, that did not stop Claudette or her PI friend. She used her other names, Loving Helper and Questioner, to befriend online members and gain access to information via various forums such as Facebook page HFMH, FindMorgan, Blink, and others.”
Amy, Sarah, Dan? no pictures from October 17th before the concert? Do you think Morgan kept her camera and battery, but just ditched her purse and belongings?
I am speaking to the friends of Morgan Harrington
THIS IS NOT GOING TO GO AWAY (sorry B)
Article on WCAV this morning. Nothing new, but at least they’re remembering Morgan.
http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/80182792.html
It is the morning of the next day, and I feel even worse than I did before — there is so freaking much deception going on — I am shocked ! Questioner is that psychic ????
When I was 16, living in a small rural town in Va., I had two best friends — we were known everywhere as The Three Thirds — our next close circle of friends were “the boys” from a neighboring county — we were always together — the boys were older — yes, there was drinking — but not so much by us — they were old enough to legally buy beer and they did — we played records (showing my age), danced — my parents converted our basement into a large rec room — we were always either at my house or the third’s house across the street — under a parent’s thumb — One weekend, two of us were away — this was the weekend after thanksgiving — the Sun. of our return, when we pulled up and parked the car, the 3rd friend, who lived across the street, came to the car, her eyes blood red from crying, to tell us two of the boys had been in an accident on the way home from a party Sat. night — the driver was killed — the passenger, not wearing a seatbelt, was thrown from the car — it was devastating — his mamma buried him in the suit she had on lay-away for Christmas — the boys didn’t come around for another two or three weeks — when they did, there was no partying, basically we clung to each other and mourned — it is now 30 years later, and perhaps this is why I am so drawn to Morgan — it brought up all of those old feelings — last night seeing those pictures of how really disrespectful these girls — not friends — were acting just sickened me — the thirds grew up and went their separate ways — I went to college out of state, but had to drive thru the town where my friend was buried. Every single trip home I stopped on the way back and put flowers on his grave — whenever the thirds were reunited, we always always always talk about our missing friend — even a few years ago —
If these girls have knowledge that Morgan ran away, I hope to God they are prosecuted to the max for impeding a “federal” investigation if the FBI is involved in the case, and that they do serious jail time.
I don’t believe that’s what happened. I believe Morgan is the victim of the foulest of play, and that she was tortured in her last hours on this earth. My heart breaks for her parents, for the people in her life who truly loved her, and for our world without her. It seems like everyone is maligning Morgan for whatever they can get out of her — Blink’s info on Questioner on FB just pisses me off — sorry about the language — In those posts Questioner recommends calling in the psychic and the PI — in fact, in a post I read last night she said: I’m NOT a psychic but I read tarot cards — well, if she were a psychic, she shudda known Blink would get to the bottom of the matter —
I know some feel why should we continue to fight for Morgan — we have to more than ever — There is nothing more that I can personally add to information on that night — I don’t know that there’s anything really more I can add to finding her, unless they have another public search, and I will be there, and dragging as many of my son and his “friends” as there are seatbelts in my car with me — but the one thing I can do is be an advocate for Morgan, be her friend — if that means calling out the “friends” then so be it.
I think these pictures should be sent to LE in the locality where the party was held — it is against the law in Va. for underage drinking, and it is a huge law in Va., and there is precedent — Richmond area just prosecuted parents who supplied alcohol to their child’s friends at the after-prom party — that whomever purchased the alcohol and gave it to the minors —
when they’re sitting their asses in a jail cell, we’ll see who is laughing now !! Also, it will give LE the “in” to execute a warrant for everything — their dorm rooms, their computers, everything !
I’m calling the tip line, and I’m calling Harrisonbrg PD — who will join me to fight for Morgan ?
Skyler
PS: Fish, thanks for the lovely poem. “The robins know long before us ….”
There’s a robin somewhere that knows what really happened to Morgan — praying for the robin to sing, and bring the peace of spring to the Harringtons and to us all who care so much for this missing girl.
Hmm, looks like findmorgan.com is not the only website where people pull posts they don’t like.
Blink, I used to have a lot of respect for your articles, but I’m coming to realize you don’t know what the heck you’re talking about.
As for your stance on psychics… shrug, would you care to hear my stance on sensationalist reporters?
I have no idea what your referring to, I have not pulled anything here.
B
Hannah Blackwell (Grafton High School) wrote
at 1:48pm on October 19th, 2009
omg i swear i saw her last week sometime, she was on the hethwood bus with me…she looked really upset about something, cause her eyes were looking watery
Shashank A. Deovrat wrote
at 9:18pm on October 19th, 2009
hey I saw her at metallica concert. Is there any way I can help.
Report
Shashank A. Deovrat wrote
at 9:18pm on October 19th, 2009
hey I saw her at metallica concert. Is there any way I can help.
Report
(I don’t know what pix this poster is referring to):
James Kendall (VCCS) wrote
at 6:25pm on October 20th, 2009
in the picture with jim webb, does anyone know the name of the kid standing slightly to the left of webb, who is not smiling, brown hair, and what looks like a black shirt? he looks like a kid i know that has been having some problems
*** this one is a little strange: how did he leave her a message ??
Richard Griffith wrote
at 8:39pm on October 20th, 2009
I left her a message to ask her where she is and she hasnt replied yet….I’ll let you all know when she does…until then I’ll keep praying for her to answer my message.
David Rondeau (VCCS) wrote
at 10:27pm on October 20th, 2009
i work at UVA(JPJ) security was pretty tight there, and they prob. have checked tapes already. I know that the garage def. has at least one camera on the second floor.
*** someone posted that she was seen walking w/ 4 guys — this comes after that post –
Angie Miller wrote
at 2:08pm on October 21st, 2009
Darlene, I also heard about the ‘four guys,older ones’. I do not think Morgan would willingly leave with strangers,i feel something was forced on her, a knife, a gun, a drink loaded with something, I don’t know. It is just speculation of course, but my daughter-in-law had friends at the show who saw this, and reported it far as i know. What is the deal at the soccer fields? Anything new about that? I was at UVA yesterday, and cops were stopping vehicles on the on and off ramps, for no apparent reason other than all the vehicles looked similar…My son and I saw that a good bit yesterday. So I know they are working on this, I just want her home with her parents and her best friends. My neice is devastated, they have been friends since sixth grade. This is tearing us all up. Prayers are constant for Morgan and her family.
** What is VCCS ? a lot of posters are from there, including this one:
Justin Lewis Ochocinco (VCCS) wrote
at 4:55pm on October 21st, 2009
I hung out with her at her appartment one time at VT I just realised. She was a lot of fun, I hope she is ok and I will pray for her
** yes, Ola, it would help — instead they drink and make fun of her —
Ola Alghazzouli (VCCS) wrote
at 7:17pm on October 21st, 2009
Does anyone know if someone had something aganist her, perphas they were trying to do revenage?
or something else.
shuldn’t her close friends kno her very weell, and ppl she hangout with….wouldn’t that help.
Brandon Blake (Albemarle High) wrote
at 10:45pm on October 21st, 2009
I heard that the friends just left and didn’t call anyone. If thats true, then did they even know she was gone? Did they just think that she went home? I’m hope and pray that she is found alive and well… It scares me, the place where she dissapeared is about 5 minutes away from my house and my job where my mom and I work is a block away. Love and Prayers! ♥
Molly Elizabeth Smith (JMU) wrote
at 11:18pm on October 21st, 2009
Today in Charlottesville you could hear the search heli’s circling around campus and rt. 29 all day. Around the jpj arena, my husband saw the police with search dogs going up and down the train tracks. Nice to see so much effort and dedication, but heartwrenching to think that after all that searching they still have only a purse. I truly hope they find her safe and sound.
** first comment from “friend” Sara Snead — doesn’t say praying for you to come home, etc., says: we are “ready” for you to come home — those girls know something !
>>Sarah Snead (Northside High) wrote
at 12:28pm on October 23rd, 2009
“She comes in colors everywhere…she combs her hair. She’s like a rainbow.” 241 Morgan. We all miss you and are ready for you to come home.
I have followed this case from the start and hesitate to comment because of what I might say. As a parent and grandparent, my heart breaks for the Harringtons. Their pain has to be unbearable. I do not pretend to be able to solve this case or even add anything substantial to finding Morgan but I care deeply. I admire Blink and all the great minds that contribute here and I know they care deeply also. I only know how I would react if this was my daughter missing and I would be appalled at the behavior of these friends.
Maybe they are grieving but it certainly doesn’t look that way to me. If they did not want to be judged then they did not need to post these pictures for the whole world to see. I really don’t care who posted them either, whether it was them or someone else at the party. They should have thought about that before behaving this way. I don’t care how old they are (they are certainly old enough to drink?!? or so they think they are) they are old enough to know better which makes me think they didn’t care. If they don’t care that the pictures are out there then they shouldn’t be upset about people having an opinion about them. I know the pictures have been taken down but it is too late, damage is done. Actions speak louder than words.
Blink and posters, keep up the good work. We need more people who care. Thanks for all you do.
I have a mild disclosure issue I feel I need to address. The very situation of friends allowing another friend to leave on their own after becoming separated, resulting in death, has affected people very close to us.
It was not ultimately their fault, we are talking about adults, but in my estimation when our friends are impaired in some way, even mildly, we should share the responsibility for their well being. In my work I hope to impart the very simple sentiment for people to follow- If you eliminate the opportunity for a crime to take place, you eliminate the crime.
While I feel for the undeniable survivors guilt these girls carry, what I see is also them self-medicating it on camera. I feel that their parents should be addressing the issues with them privately, and at the very least, seeking professional assistance to do so.
I am not going to even go there again about the obvious distaste and possible offense to the Harrington’s. I realize the gravity of the situation may be lost a these young women, but again, where are there parents to help the focus here?
I took this Holiday opportunity to remind my nieces about this issue and purchased one of them Triple AAA for Christmas. She did not like it as much as her new pocketbook, lol, O well.
B
Greetings and salutations, Chad, sky, Observer, Momof3, Word Girl, and my other fellow clinking Blinkers. I regret being away from this site for so long … it’s amazing how much went on in virtual reality online while I was sucked away from it into a whirlwind week of digging out from a blizzard, falling under the weather, hosting my sister from the West Coast, holi-day-tripping to see family, and catching up on work … which kept me from learning anything deeper than surface-level news, and not a whiff of anything related to the Morgan Harrington case wafted out with the daily headlines – an appearance that clearly belies what’s been going on beneath the surface. A tip of my wooly cap to all of you!
Between the unseemly pics of “The 9″ getting wasted in-costume and taking compromising shots of one another cavorting in front of a 2-4-1 sign … exactly 2 weeks to the night after MH vanished (not suspicious, per se, just Poorly, poorly timed, and in epically bad taste); as well as various peripheral friends – including the elusive DS – finally speaking up… in response to the kerfuffle kicked up by the Halloween pics exposure, I feel as though the proverbial carpet has been shaken out, putting us in a position to see long-settled particles in the light of day once again – or for the first time.
Time to fetch my trusty Thinking Goblet, refuel, and join you all back at the table. (Unfortunately, my Employee Handbook dictates I cannot burn such fuel until my workday is complete, so I must look forward to doing just that this evening.) That said, I submit a few half-formed thoughts for your consideration ’til then:
Based on observation (so take it as you will), I think “The 9″ were great friends throughout grade school and high school, remained friends even after MH transferred her senior year, but perhaps were not as close after that because MH had been separated from them. College starting for “The 9” circa fall 2007 pulled them *all* in different directions or into different circles in the same proximity. It’s clear they all still got together to party – some more than others – but that each had well-developed other sets of friends by the time MH arranged the Metallica trip with her old pal SS and whoever else from JMU in early summer 2009.
(In other words: focusing on the closeness of these girls may be a red herring, as I think their tight-clique days were behind them by several years.)
While I agree the Grateful Dead/Bob Marley/All Good Fest/tie-dye predications of the 20-year-old MH who planned to see Metallica Oct. 17 of this year did not directly mesh with the band’s typical demographic, I think it’s highly possible she and SS, and AM shared an early high-school fondness for the band/popular metal music, and it was a “for old time’s sake” show for MH, even if SS was still really into the band (no idea) – and, for the record, I did see some heavy-metal posters in the background of the shots of Gil in MH’s bedroom. Sounds like she hadn’t seen SS in awhile (according to MH’s quoted fellow bus-riding friend, with whom MH shared details/excitement over the upcoming concert trip), and this day trip was a chance to do something fun/nostalgic with old friends.
It also sounds like SS hangs with a (fairly typical) hard-drinking set of college friends on a hard-drinking campus. Maybe MH was warned not to fall into old patterns with SS – perhaps patterns that caused the late high-school separation between them – and she did anyway (several people have outlined this scenario here, and it makes sense to me, thus the initial obfuscation of the night’s details from SS & Co.). That said, it also stands to reason that SS may not be as devastated about the current MH-missing-more-than-2-months situation as the public expects her to be: she and MH had not been close for several years.
Also – spotlight on mag603 (re #799), who shared a FB post from one DLyrica. This is the first time I’ve seen a comment (allegedly) from MH. It was startling … and revealing. For those who may have missed it (granted, her words regarding a certain camping photo are from two years ago in Nov. 2007, when MH would have been in her freshman college year) here it is:
http://www.findmorgan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1518
DLyrica: “well yeah….but some people wanted to know what kind of person she was…not everyone in college drinks or parties that much…I dunno just an observation
EDIT: For instance, one of the comments that made me wonder was this picture:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi…6&id=522713449 …
If you cant see it, the picture is in the album ‘Camping’ and is a picture of her and her friend laying on the ground smoking a cigarette… Morgan commented on the picture:
‘Morgan Harrington: Things just went downhill from here. my nails bled for weeks after I peeled those tips off. i lost that sweater at a creepy guys house, and sacrificed my last unicorns so i wouldn’t have to make awkward small talk. and then the man stomped me down.’
November 12, 2007 at 10:26am”
So, “the man stomped me down” is probably a reference to getting arrested/threatened with arrest/popped by security … whatever it was, it was either common-place or non-serious enough that she’s referring to it in a funny/sarcastic, flippant way. The “Camping” photo set referenced by the poster would likely be related to her college-partying pattern with the AM, ST, Ramona set: her VT-area clique with whom she attended all the hippy-hempy shows in recent years – at least through the May 2009 Rooster Walk music festival in Roanoke (where B’s thread’s pic was taken, I believe).
Lastly, theory-wise, I know I’m late to the Charlottesville Econo Lodge party (but I hear that place has bed bugs, so…) Anyway! I’m now pondering if *that* was where she was allegedly hitching from the Ivy/Alderman/Copelely intersection. It’s maybe walkable(?), or she *thought* it was in her impaired state, even via the roundabout way she would have been getting there (localcvillegirl? Observer?). And, being alone in the cold rainy night air, or learning a ride fell through, she probably would have thought nothing of flagging a vehicle down to ferry her less than half-a mile down the road to a well-lit/known motel right around the corner, essentially.
http://maps.google.com/maps?client=safari&rls=en-us&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=The+Econo+Lodge+Charlottesville&fb=1&gl=us&hq=The+Econo+Lodge&hnear=Charlottesville&cid=0,0,743090460916390935&ei=Fz84S4jVM8rklAfzy8mhBw&sa=X&oi=local_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CAoQnwIwAA
If that’s where she was headed, the obvious questions are:
Why? Who would be renting a room there? Would the room renter/s necessarily be from out of town?
Did she make it there? And, if she did, how did she leave there?
I’m not at all married to the Econo Lodge idea, but I’m still confident that if she was indeed hitching a ride, it was to a location known to several people in contact with her/her Friends that night, and it wasn’t far from the arena. A campus address/off-campus apartment is a much less controlled setting than a seedy Econo Lodge room, so based on the lack of post-9:30 witnesses, it makes more sense she was heading to the no-tell motel than a local address.
Good morning all,
Just to comment on on Blink…..didn’t questioner announce to you and to us all on this thread earlier, correct me if I wrong, but didn’t he/she start this web site new web site for Morgan? (see below)
http://truthnjustice.proboards.com/index.cgi
Also, questioner is VERY active on the findmorgan.com website forum. If this is the case, this is bizarre. questioner is in good with Bobby baaadboy too over there too, or something like that.
where do all these strange people come from? WOW, what do these people do for a living? Scamming people that are suffering? As my daughter would say “sketchy” . Unbelievable. Actually, thanks for sharing that Blink.
Fish, I didn’t miss your earlier thread. I am with you completely. I have a problem with the post friend behavior of Morgans friends based on some of the pictures. I am not quite sure what else to think. Yes, they are 20 something, but as the line in the song goes….”every pictures tells a story….don’t it?”
As far as the most recent pictures go, if I may cooment, I do feel that the girl was mocking the hitchhiking. She is standing by the shuttle, underneath the sign of the Morgan Harrington Search Shuttle. How many people you know stick their thumb out to attract the shuttle? As blink says, in very
poor taste.
I think actually fish, that these pictures reaffirm, and solidify that this is not normal behavior for friends to behave this way after a friend goes missing.
I need to get to work, but have some additional comments for later for Momof3, Hummingbird.
sorry — I hit “submit comment” before I wrote in what I was posting — I went to the facebook page link and started from the beginning — closest to the 17th — these are random posts, but the kids on there were immediately putting the info on their pages and sending it to their fb friends — the majority of the comments were praying for her safe return — there were a few snide comments, which were deleted — but nowhere did I see a post that said, sorry to see you’re gone; gonna party like it’s 1999 ’cause you’d want us to do that — it is my experience in the legal field, it is your memory closest to the event that is the best — I can only read thru post No. 50 — gotta go to work — but I’ll add a few more posts and then the link —
I am sure these girls know more than they’re stating publicly — in the first news conference, LE was ‘strongly urging’ the friends to come forward w/ what they knew — so they were tight lipped then — nearest to the event, when all info is most pertinent —
Stephanie Colegrove (VCU) wrote
at 12:53am on October 24th, 2009
She looks so familiar.. Im pretty sure I saw her on Sunday in Harrisonburg but im not 100%. I work at a hotel and we see lots of people go in and out. Hope shes okay..
*** the grandmother’s story was posted, and I’ll post it again for those who might have missed it — in it, she says “around 9:30″ — which has been brought up here before — but maybe that’s why I missed her on the bridge — I was just too soon : (
Possible Witness Comes Forward in Search for Missing VT Student
Posted: Oct 23, 2009 3:47 PM EDT
Updated: Nov 06, 2009 4:59 AM EST
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New Clues In Harrington Case
We have new details on the search for Morgan Harrington. A grandmother from the Richmond area says she was in the parking lot of John Paul Jones Arena the night Morgan disappeared. What she saw could be a clue to unraveling the mystery of what happened.
This story is chilling. This grandmother says she saw a young woman and a young man physically struggling with one another, and the young woman looked a lot like Morgan. The grandmother wants to remain anonymous for her own safety.
She called police Monday night after she saw Harrington’s picture on the news. She says the fight unfolded behind her car parked outside the John Paul Jones Arena the night Metallica took the stage. At about 9:30, the same time police say Morgan Harrington had still been on the arena grounds, the woman pulled into a parking space to pick up her son and grandson from the show. That’s when she says a loud noise startled her.
“I heard them being very loud and it sounded like maybe like she got smacked or something. The two people were in like a hand lock she had her hands on his arm and he had his hands on her arm pushing back and forth.”
The woman says the girl started walking back toward the arena and the young man headed for the road, but ran back to the girl. She says the girl looked just like Morgan and it appeared the couple knew each other. The woman only had a vague description of the young man she saw.
Crimestoppers has announced a $100,000 reward for information leading to the whereabouts of Morgan Harrington, that reward should be official by Monday. If you have any information about this case, call the tip line at 434-352-3467 .
*** And this is what gripes my soul — people posted a link to a pix of apparently Dee — this is Sara’s and then Dee’s response — but what gets me is, Sara says “thru a mutual friend” — w/out mentioning that the “mutual friend” drove them to the concert and they talked w/ Dee after the concert “one of our members are missing” — it’s just deception, deception, deception — from the very beginning —
Dee Spolarics (JMU) wrote
at 3:52pm on October 26th, 2009
Just to confirm, those picture are of me and my boyfriend, they are not Morgan, just as Sarah has said
Report
Sarah Snead (Northside High) wrote
at 3:36pm on October 26th, 2009
Those pictures are of a boy and girl that go to JMU…i actually know them through a mutual friend and am 100% positive that that is not morgan. She has longer hair, her shirt was not cut off, and she had on hose. That video was brought to my attention last night but i am sure that is not morgan. Keep up the good work though.
Danny Ryan Pisano wrote
at 10:19pm on October 26th, 2009
news I SAW MORGAN Right be four she got locked out and i saw her walking in the parking lot then i lost contact but before we had bumped into each other
*** weren’t her seats 312 ??
Corey Hall (Christiansburg High) wrote
at 3:20pm on October 27th, 2009
Anyone know where her seats were… was she on the floor section? I was at the show, I can recall a girl in the 313 section before metallica went on with black boots, fishnets, black shirt, dunno if it was pantera or not.
*** This identifies another of Dee’s “party” — so we know Dee, Zack and this kid, Kyle Priber
Kyle Priber wrote
at 6:01pm on October 27th, 2009
idk if any of my other friends posted this yet. but the new video of the security camera as we’re all leaving the floor after the show. the blond girl in the video is my friend zack’s (holding the beach ball) is not morgan, her name is Dee. it is a coincidence that they both had the same outfits on, but that grainy video doesnt offer much to go on. the one thing morgan’s father noticed was the girl in the video was not wearing tights which morgan was wearing tights that night to the concert. Dee has contacted the tipline, and the local news telling them that its not her, and tonight on the harrisonburg news they will be clearing up the confusion from the video of all 5 of us leaving. thank you
** this one doesn’t make much sense ??
Danny Ryan Pisano wrote
at 6:04pm on October 27th, 2009
i saw her before and after the show before she and i bumped into each other it was her cause after we picked up her cell phone with she was texting i believe walked off
*** hmm Russell’s been posting a lot —
Russell Baker IV wrote
at 7:31pm on October 27th, 2009
this was a friend of one of my best friends. Morgan i’m praying for you, and i hope your okay
** Josh Mason, whose admin’g the fb page reports this after several people asked Dylan to call tipline w/ the info he had —
Joshua Mason wrote
at 9:05pm on October 27th, 2009
I contacted this Dylan fella. He said that he was “on stage” and would contact the police after he was done. So, I don’t know if he will. I hope so.
** Suz, can you translate ???
Danny Ryan Pisano wrote
at 9:36pm on October 27th, 2009
Wat is up im talking to all u guys about wat i saw it was now confirmed that i did bump into her pantera shirt everything….. if anybody has Q. Contact me at ironfist4@gmail.com
Dustin Wood (Appalachian State) wrote
at 9:55pm on October 27th, 2009
dylan gave his info out yall. dont complain. he saw her at 730 at the tshirt stand at the concert andd thats it. he said she seemed very sober as well. thats all he can confirm. if u want to report it call the line but thats all he knows.
*** just posting,not commenting …
Jennifer Grover wrote
at 12:27pm on October 28th, 2009
Please someone look in the North Garden area in storage shed near railroad tracks. this is from dowsing on a map with a pendulum. There is no scientific explaination for how it works, but it often does for finding things and people. I do not live near there and have never been there. Please be careful and go in a group, a tracking dog or scent hound would be ideal. When people are searching, please try there.
****
dustin now saying he knows both this “Dylan” guy and Morgan and Morgan’s texting habits —
Dustin Wood (Appalachian State) wrote
at 12:51pm on October 28th, 2009
the bridge is the only way to find the next piece of the puzzle. someone has to look for her next step.
also if they saw her, we have to be able to identify who she was with. i know her too well to think she would travel by herself over that bridge.
plus she texts a lot so i would think that she would atleast have have texts that help with the case but u wonder, if the bag is missing at that parking lot and she was forced onward to the bridge, that the ppl she was with at the bridge would solve it. she wouldnt just leave the cell phone somewhere with a bag on her own. makes me think if she was alone at the bridge then that wasnt actually her because she would have been forced to not have the bag.
** I agree w/ Kolby
Kolby Houghton (UVA) wrote
at 6:13pm on October 29th, 2009
something in this case doesnt add up…
why would she leave the concert right before the band she waited 6 months to see was about to play? if she was looking for a bathroom it makes no sense to go outside, im sure she is smart enough to know that there are tons of bathrooms inside an arena. and why would she wander around by herself into the night when she could have waited with her friends near the arena, it seems like she already had the idea that she wasnt going back with her friends that night.
if u think about this logically, it doesnt make sense.
**** Okay — I read thru link 32 — bottom line: Sara Snead, et al, knew about the HH’g sighting on the bridge in October, soon after Morgan went missing — so whomever is in the pix w/ their thumb stuck out — is mocking Morgan –
If you think I’m being “harsh” on these “friends” — absolutely ! And I make no apologies. They know more than they’re telling — they hid the truth from the beginning, when time nearest the incident is so important — and they left C-ville w/out Morgan, w/out knowing where she was, whom she was w/ and they didn’t notify a soul — or – they left C-ville knowing where she was/whom she was w/, but unable to speak w/ her personally.
I tell my kid all the time, if you are in a car, the driver pulls into a 7-11 (or Sheetz) saying he’s going in to buy a Coke, and robs the place while he’s in there — you are a party to the action unless you get out of the car and immediately call the police. If the person brandishes a gun and shoots and kills the clerk, you are as guilty of murder as though you had pulled the trigger unless you immediately get out and call the police.
These “friends” are guilty of collusion, at least, in not telling everything that they know. I hope LE comes down hard on them — but I’m not holding my breath.
And yet again, Morgan is a victim ….
Really going to work now …
We’re not seeing Oct 17th pix for a reason. All along I’ve wondered about the number of cars and passengers making the trip from JMU to UVA;(who actually rode with whom), and, of course, what were the activities and stops en route, if any? How was everyone dressed? I’m just growing more confused whenever I try to sort out the info; it doesn’t add up. Blink, I’m glad you get tips and share them. TY! I do trust you, admire your goals, and have smiled often when remembering your many fond references to your father, a sentiment I share in remembrance of my own. I won’t say “keep up the good work” cause you’re unstoppable, in the best sense. It’s a pleasure reading here; so many wise and caring writers, and I’ve learned from all of you.
Ty Friend.
B
Ok, those four photos linked from JM’s fb page are very disturbing, especially the HH’ing one. That does look to me like she is mocking the whole thing, I just don’t get it. I’m beginning to think Morgan was not close with “the nine” anymore, found other friends, and the concert tics were an attempt by her parents to reunite her with her old friends. Maybe the Harringtons thought she was better off with her old friends, but maybe they were wrong. Blink, I disagree with you here, I’m pretty sure the girl in that “HHing” pic knew that Morgan was seen HHing, and for some reason chose to make a mockery of that info.
Georgie I cannot say for sure- thus my feelings on it, but admittedly if that is the case, over the top bad taste.
B
The poster “Questioner” on findmorgan.com is claiming that her account there has been hacked.
I called out “BulldogPI” on that FindMorgan site a couple of weeks ago and got banned for it. However the post of his I responded to was the last post under that moniker. I have lond believed that many of the posters on that forum, even some of the more “trusted” ones, are in reality one or two people, namely, Claudette Donat or James Pollock. What kind of a “professional” private investigator spends so much time interacting on the internet? All I ever saw him do was repeatedly contradict himself by advising the Harringtons (via the forum) that he wouldn’t disclose any info/evidence on the chat forum because he felt strongly that the perp in this case frequents the thread, then, he posted nonsensical and repeated BS “leads” which were mere strawgrasp attempts at renewed hope/interest. The guy is, as Blink so eloquently put it awhile back, an Assclown. Thank you Blink for exposing this tool. Happy holidays to all, I have a rock to crawl back under.
Lol, at the eloquently= assclown.
B
Blink, you said it so much better than I could. I am a very protective parent of 3 boys and 1 girl who are grown now. I always wanted to know the where, who, when, what of their lives. Drove them crazy! But I also felt like I armed them with the knowledge to protect themselves, unfortunately, situations arise such as Morgan’s where the BG won (for now). It could have been anyone’s daughter.
I apologize for bringing up the behavior issue of the friends and I won’t go there again. I, too, hope the parents will get help for them.
My all time fave is Sara Snead in the bathtub. Sexy, non?
Questioner hassled me to death over on FindMorgan, so I left. This person has their own agenda.
I continue to feel strongly that investigators know the what and the who here, just waiting for the goods.
Thank you, Blink, for the outstanding site and to all here for the polite and high brow exchange of ideas.
Cheers! (chugging my beer through a straw in my skimpy too tight bikini with bad tattoos in the hot tub. )
I contacted both the VSP tipline and the Harrisonburg police w/ the information that these photographs are available online. Blink, sorry, but I advised them to contact you, that your site is moderated, and you will get back in touch w/ them if you so choose. I know someone here saved the photos under a flicker account. I copied the 4 search photos, so that’s all I have.
This is the email addy for the tip line: bci-appomattox@vsp.virginia.gov
this is Harrisonburg police: mrgangloff@ci.harrisonburg.va.us
you know, if you’re nervous, send it anonymously — go to yahoo or gmail or aol even has free email now — make up a screen name and open an account — but email these people so that they have to respond — I emailed from my regular email addy and gave them my name — told ‘em I knew two of the “friends” parents were LE and that if they did nothing to follow up on this, then I could only conclude it was due to the LE connection.
I want you to be clear on my motives. It’s not to get these girls in trouble for drinking. If Morgan was in those pix w/ them, none of us would be gathered here at Blink’s table. I firmly believe they know more — I believe their computers/cell records, even if they try to erase them, it’s still in there — will tell more — if LE can’t get a warrant based on what “I” think, well, they can get a warrant to investigate underaged drinking and supplying minors w/ alcohol — that warrant can be broad to search their computers and phone records to see if this was pre-meditated, including any parties that may have been planned prior to Oct. 17th —
We have an opportunity to really do something for Morgan. I pray you all will.
Sky
I understand your need to do what you felt was right to you. I have been in contact with LE, and they know how to reach me directly. I have everything cached. I never, ever, post anything that has a chance of being relative until it is. The record for deleted content once we go public is 2 minutes, lol.
B
I don’t post often, but if I’ve got something to say, I’m gonna say it. What the hell?
I don’t know what’s going on but the other forums are crazy with arguing and fighting. Blink, your site is the only one that has stayed above that and I thank you and all the others for this. We’ve been able to state ideas and theories without being viciously attacked because someone disagrees. I think we are a very openminded group that explores any and all possibilities. Even when there is little or nothing to go on.
I am confused about the tip that you received. I thought Questioner was a member of our group. I feel let down because I thought she was for real. What are these people doing? Is it just for the money or what? You know, I myself forget that there is even a reward being offered. I just want Morgan found! Safe and sound! Back with her family! If it is that she is deceased, her family still needs to know and do the proper things for her memory. I also feel that things are getting close to an end and a lot of heat is on. Guys and gals carry on. Let’s find Morgan!
Thanks again blink for everything and for keeping people in line on your site. Don’t let the bashers get on here and wreak havoc like they do on other sites. I like to think that what we do on here is work together and build off of each other. Keep it up!
Thanks, and I will not.
B
On break from work:
J2K — SO HAPPY to hear from you — as always, your posts makes sense –
Sherlock — your posts also make sense
As I’ve stated before, I’m not psychic, or that winning power ball ticket would be in my hand, but I am intuitive — most women are, and I know most mothers are — I just feel it in my bones this case is about to crack —
Blink, I’m not sure what your favorite cheese is, but a double helping to you for giving your neice the triple A for Christmas. Knowing my son is covered under our auto service is about the only peace of mind I have while he’s driving. He gets free towing to any location, and he can ask them to tow the car home.
Not sure if I will add anything worthwhile at this point.
I’m not sure what to make of the most recent pics of one of MH’s friends at the search…the pics obviously seem inappropriate… at the same time (without this sounding personal) I feel like that specific friend has appeared the most “silly” in all the other batches of photos of the group– from Halloween to Senior Week. Perhaps she is just the most immature in the group.
I would be dumbfounded if this were a runaway case. Even if MH wanted to leave her family and felt she needed to do it secretly to pull it off, she could still follow up with a letter to her parents or even LE.
I agree with others who have recently stated that they feel that the 9 may have drifted apart a while ago. That was my point in an earlier post when I brought up MH’s change of high schools and he abscence in the Senior Week photos of the rest of the group.
Finally, I don’t think that Metallica is that out of line for Morgan’s tastes…first, Metallica is a lot more popular, generally speaking, than they were years ago…they get a decent amount of radio play on rock stations. Second, young people (including myself) these days have ecclectic tastes. Third, I could also see this as being a nostalgic thing like someone mentioned above…perhaps a group MH and friends were into in HS. Finally, (and this is my real contribution here) MH was seen at the Electric Chameleon cd launch party wearing a T-shirt from the 2008 All Good music festival. A musician named Les Claypool played the All Good festival in 2006. I seemed to remember, which I confirmed with Wikipedia, that Claypool plays Metal. My boyfriend just said that he also plays bass in a band called Primus, which pothead friends of mine in college were really into. Its very heavy. My point is is that this guy alone demonstrates that there is movement between musicians– and certainly fans— between musical genres. Certainly there are other examples of this movement. For this specific reason (especially when considered in combination with the others) I don’t think it would be out of line for MH to like Metallica.
>>I have been in contact with LE, and they know how to reach me directly. I have everything cached. I never, ever, post anything that has a chance of being relative until it is. The record for deleted content once we go public is 2 minutes, lol. <<
I know you are, and that you guard your info — I actually told them that in my email : )
I hold you, and all the Blinkers, in such high regard. Morgan is my first MP case I’ve followed like this. You, on the other hand, put your heart on your sleeve w/ every single one.
Brie wrapped and baked in flaky crust and fresh strawberries for you !
Lat one, I swear (for now anyway)
Part of my job in the legal field was not only listening to the testimony of witnesses both in open court, but also pre-trial depositions, was I had to observe their demeanor — people who lie or who are hiding information have the same mannerisms. If someone is asked a question and they have to search their memory, their eyes will lift to the left if they are searching truthful information — if they are creating an answer — their eyes will shift to the right. They will not look at the questioner, they will touch their nose, put their hair behind their ear, rub their face, sniff, cough, sometimes expel body gases, ask for something to drink, perspire, give too much information, become “defensive” or overly theatrical.
Remember Susan Smith who drove her car into the lake w/ her children strapped in car seats in the back seat. She cried and cried, begged for the person to bring her children home. I knew right away from her body actions she was lying.
In a trial, after the lawyers have given their final closing arguments, the court will instruct the jury. One of the jury instructions is for the jury to question not just the testimony of the witnesses, but their demeanor on the stand, their “opportuity” for knowing the truth, their reputation in the community, conflicting statements of other witnesses.
I’ve only seen one interview w/ one of the friends during the Nov. search, I don’t know which one it was, but that girl was looking all around, behaving as if they were searching for a lost puppy — not a human being who supposedly was one of her best friends …
honestly, going back to work — just some food for thought.
Gifter3, Hello. Sorry,for the misunderstanding, What I meant by that post is- Although I am not defending the friends behavior,what we learned from the pics and posts is that other friends are defending it. They run to the rescue of Dee and of SS and anyone else that was seen in those pics. When they post, it is in defense of a friend. You stated that you did see all the pics. What is your take on these? TIA
J2k,Welcome back, missed your insights.
Chad,Observer, Sherlock, I await your next post.
BlackPearl, you add alot, no matter what you post. You give us all the younger generations perspective,thanks.
Pinky, Georgie, Josie, mary/mary too, rita, KYcat,CG,alexandra, yoshi,Sue and others, Thank you for always speaking up when you think it is necessary. Your insights are welcomed.
NYCDude, glad to see you again. Don’t stay under that rock too long.
localcvillegirl,thanks for your perspective always wanted.
susanm, don’t let the friends behavior stop you from lending your thoughts. Morgan still needs to be brought to safety/home no matter what the cause of her disappearance.
Skyler, thanks for the look back at past posts, very enlightening. Also, I admire you. Instead of just commenting on the friends behavior, you acted as a responsible adult and brought it to the attention of someone that could help. I don’t know if this will lead to new info on Morgan, but it may lead to some help for the friends and 1 less death from underage drinking or alcohol poisoning.
Oh SKYLER. Too close to lunchtime to envision your baked brie with fresh strawberries. That’s just cruel. (So deliciously cruel…)
Above this post somewhere, sherlock noted a quote put forth by his namesake:
“We must look for consistency. Where there is a want of it we must suspect deception.”
I thought this was quite an apt investigatory rule of thumb to spotlight in regard to this case. The unexplained oddities of MH’s evening prior to her disappearance have compelled thousands of posts here parsing them and speculating as to their meaning or relevance.
To wit: MH’s car was at the arena. Yet, when she was unable to regain entry to the concert prior to the main act going on, she made no attempt to get her keys from Dan or otherwise access her vehicle – despite the cold, drizzly weather that night. Instead, she made a beeline for Copeley/Alderman Road and the commercial strip/Ivy Lane intersection.
The behavior *inconsistent* with the norm here is MH ignoring her only solid, on-premise resource in Cville that night – her car. Why would she do that? Why would she hoof it as opposed to sitting in her vehicle/texting from inside it while running the engine to keep warm/listen to the radio? Why would she seemingly not give this obvious at-hand resource a second thought?
If she had a place to go locally (as she had been there before the show or was planning to join people there afterward), then there would be no need to access her car. If someone/people said he’d/they’d pick her up near the arena – perhaps meet her at the 7-11 – then there would be no need to access her car. My point being that the only way she’d see no need to utlize her only personal on-site resource that night is if someone else offered her a better or more sensible resource/option.
This statement retreads familiar water, sure, but it’s worth reiterating because in order for MH to access an alternative resource that night once an unexpected, unfortunate change of plans occurred at JPJ around 8:20 p.m., she would have had to reach out for it. Which she did. And she did it by 8:48 p.m via her cell phone right in front of the arena. By the time SS called her at that time, MH apparently had an alternate plan/damage control under way, and needed little assistance from her Friends inside the JPJ except to meet up with them and her keys at some point after the show ended so she and AM could travel back to Blacksburg and she could keep her important noon plans with dad intact (conjecture, of course).
I’m fairly confident LE has an idea as to where she was headed from the arena at 9 p.m. and who was acting as a resource. But, that may not have yielded a clear imprint of what happened once her cell phone powered out at 9:30 p.m. Judging by the fact that there are no known witnesses from that point on, she didn’t make it to any sort of party, even if that was her initial intent. She disappeared in an initimate setting.
The gist of the Holmes quote centers around deception, however, and the first inconsistency we jumped all over was SS stating MH assured her that she’d get “a ride home”: a move that would not at all be consistent with normal behavior for anyone in that situation – let alone someone on a fairly short parental leash, with her car/keys on-premise; it was clearly a deception on SS’s part.
So *why* would her JMU friends and her roommate want to deceive people about where MH was heading that night from the arena? I could see if they were unclear on where she said she was going, but stating: “I couldn’t understand her because it was loud inside/we didn’t know where she was heading for the duration of the concert and we didn’t care/we thought she’d be in the lobby or at the car when it was over,” is a far cry from: “She said she’d find a ride home from friends in Charlottesville” – which *was* their hand-cleaning statement.
And, further, it’s a statement inconsistent with their self-proclaimed actions following the show, when the trio allegedly claims to have waited around for MH by her car for quite some time before leaving in it without her.
Now on to forage for some lunch. … something flaky and cheesy, maybe with a hint of sweet … [shakes fist in SKYLER's direction]
Something happened inside the venue to make Ms Harrington leave like she did and didnt want to hang around for her car. Something is in the background hiding that will eventually make a lot of sense when revealed but for one reason or another is being kept under wraps right now. She could`ve had an argument with somebody and became upset and left. It would explain a lot of the “friends” behaviour and possibly why they initially weren`t too worried, if she had an argument with one of them. If that`s the case their silence is somewhat understandable. Unfortunately this theory offers no indication of what happened Ms Harrington when she left the venue. It is extremely unlikely that Ms Harrington chose to disappear, unfortunately. I can`t believe at this stage nobody knows exactly which BB players she approached and what the nature of the interaction was. Among other things it may indeed confirm that she was at the venue. No photos? No footage? 3 or 4 people interacting with the same person is as good as, yet there is nothing.
Blink, after recent developments do you still believe that questioner is Claudette. As far as I know the findmorgan administrator has deleted all accounts with two of the same IP addresses. Both questioner and Claudette have been posting today. I ask this for two reasons. If questioner is Claudette then she should be banned from the site for soliciting Dr. Harrington. Also, if you are wrong or were mistaken yesterday you should retract what you wrote. Either way, I just want it clear as I am a frequest poster on findmorgan. I was solicited by Claudette on that site and James is very sketchy. I would like to know if I am still in the company of those two. If so, I will leave the forum.
There is no way for me to determine who is on that forum, only the forum owners could.
Personally, I would spend zero time where there has been an allegation someone was hacked or that either of those 2 are on.
B
In my other life as a high school guidance counselor I have seen senior years, junior years, a whole school’s year absolutely turned upside down and ruined by the unexpected death of a student or teacher. I have observed and facilitated the grieving process and I can attest that students grieve deeply and for a protracted period of time. Often this may be one of the students’ first experiences with loss of life and the grief is raw, intense and long lasting.
I have also interacted with the shellshocked friends and family of college students whose lives were cut short by accident or sudden illness. Again the sense of loss is overwhelming. I have seen good students completely lose their ability to focus and drop out of college after the unexpected death of a close friend. (I believe several universities also have a policy that if your roommate dies during the semester, you automatically receive all Passes and your GPA is not affected.)
In our community I have seen thousands of people come out to search for a young mother, missing and nine-months pregnant. The searchers, from young to old, were serious, determined and willing to do whatever they could to help her frantic family and friends. No one was laughing or taking pseudo-humorous pictures so they could yuk it up when the day was over. And, if they had been, I think the long lines of people who were waiting to search would have turned on them and turned them out.
But (and you knew this was coming) I have never seen anything like the reaction of Morgan’s friends. It is as if they have an inside joke that none of the rest of us get. I know that we can’t expect her friends to grieve 24-7, but something is seriously wrong here, either with them or with our understanding of what is going on and what has happened to Morgan.
Are we all caught in some extended balloon-boy type hoax? Is this a reality TV show in the making or for some reason do her friends think it is? I have a very, very difficult time believing that Morgan engineered this and would put her family through so much anguish and sorrow. On the other hand, I don’t know Morgan. Maybe she is just as crazy and unprincipaled as her friends seem to be.
Blink, thanks again for your unflagging support of all those who are lost and can no longer speak for themselves. I know you’ve said that two on your team feel that Morgan never made it to the concert. Have your views changed at all?
To Chad and Skyler: I always look forward to reading what you (and all the other posters, for that matter) have to say and I’m sorry I keep mixing you up!
re: post #920 by j2k
go back to the quote by mh commenting on the camping picture “sacrificed my last unicorns”, “man stomped me down”, and, then look those terms up on urban dictionary. code for something, maybe?
awa (re: #938 re: #920)
I personally do not beleive these references were code for anything other than inside jokes amongst good friends. To me, their relevance was in underscoring the (likely alcohol-fueled) take-the-night-as-it-comes approach she and her VT-area girlfriends took to hanging out and partying. “Stomped down by the man” I interprteted as a humorous nod to getting hassled by someone in security or LE that night (2007) related to MH/MH and her friends’ movements around the campground or its vicnity. Or, she got in trouble with her parents. Regardless, like most free-spirited, newly independent young women their age experimenting with different stimulants and social scenes, they were not adverse to taking chances/risks in the spirit of having a good time – which is the subtext for what happened to MH on a slightly similar fall evening two years later. Only this time, she wasn’t with her girlfriends… well, those that she usually hung out with in Roanoke, anyway.
And, tragically, she never got a chance to post cryptic, humorous comments about the night on Facebook after all was said and done.
Just quickly wanted to point out to Sky that the lie detection business is most complicated. If a right-handed person looks to the left, he may be trying to think of a descriptor word (creative side of the brain), whereas a leftie would do the opposite.
Your experience with so many “truth tellers” under oath may give you an advantage in picking up on micro-signals. Just as we recently sensed in the KC Court photo, the crying and the face covering revealed flashing anger, proven when we were able to freeze the frame.
comment 926:
Comment by NYCDude — December 28, 2009 @ 12:12 pm
I called out “BulldogPI” on that FindMorgan site a couple of weeks ago and got banned for it. However the post of his I responded to was the last post under that moniker. I have lond believed that many of the posters on that forum, even some of the more “trusted” ones, are in reality one or two people, namely, Claudette Donat or James Pollock.
Laughing, As I remember the only response you got out of the “Ass Clown” was him saying that he refused to have a battle of witts with an unarmed person
Lol, yes, he stole the line from a post here in another case. Shocker.
B
As for Blinks feelings on the matter:
There is no way for me to determine who is on that forum, only the forum owners could.
Personally, I would spend zero time where there has been an allegation someone was hacked or that either of those 2 are on.
B
I Kind of think someone named “Lisa P” sums up that matter on Findmorgan.com nicely:
“To me, Blink is like a troll with her very own website. She likes to stir things up and in some twisted way I truly think she believes she’s helping.”
Cheers all you national inquirer Blink belivers..
Hey Blink, still telling people that the basketball scout is the likely perp?
Didn’t Happen. That’s funny, there’s a Lisa P on here so says the opposite- wow, who to believe?
The troll session on here is over, so y’all can go back to the swarm.
B
awa!
I was embarrassed to admit I *flew* to UD to look up “unicorns” Ha…even did some googling, despite knowing I wouldn’t find anything. Still haven’t figured out what those were, though.
Must call 20yo son.
Ohiomom,
I am so appreciative of your post, it’s really good to hear from a professional with experience in counseling poeple in this type of situation. I was shocked at the photos of Halloween / birthday partying by the friends but then read Maggie Herrick’s post on findmorgan.com and felt she was sincere in her explanation of those events / photos. I am wondering – in your opinion – do you think some of this response is due to the disbelief on the part of the friends that something horrible has befallen MH? After all, there is no evidence that anything has occurred other than her disappearance. Would their behavior be explained by this at all, contrary to those who know the fate of their loved ones and therefore grieve wholeheartedly? I, like you, do not believe Morgan would be capable of pulling off a planned disappearance – what could possibly be worth it, and the suffering of her family is so evident.
“The only other things open on Christmas night in the Charles Town/Martinsburg area were bars and strip clubs. I went to two different places, spoke to security people and doormen, handed out flyers, BINGO – a doorman that self proclaimed he doesn’t forget faces, said he recognized Morgan. I made sure to tell him that he could have seen her face on the news, Dr. Phil, internet, People Mag., etc. He said he was pretty sure he saw her, in the club, as a patron, the weekend prior. Now, let me explain something about this particular club. The clientèle was MOSTLY made up of college students, there was an extraordinary amount of young women (not strippers, but patrons) in that club when I was there. There were quite a few VT and UVA hats and sweatshirts being worn in there, and there were tons of cars with VA plates, and VT and UVA stickers/magnets. I talked to the doorman for a good few minutes and gleaned some things about the club scene in that area. It appears to be a very “in thing” for the college crowd, the bars are open until 3am, and allow 18 and up patrons. I also learned a few things about the ownership, etc. Anyway, the guy I talked to was pretty sharp, and I take his sighting as good as anyone else’s. The day after Christmas, starting in the morning, I called the tip line once more, and called and left two more voice mail messages, this time saying I had new information. I’m guessing LE just doesn’t feel the same urgency as most of us here. Folks, it is time to jump up and down! <<<”
BLINK, do you buy into this? From post #871
TIA
Comment by J2K — December 28, 2009 @ 3:25 pm
To wit: MH’s car was at the arena. Yet, when she was unable to regain entry to the concert prior to the main act going on, she made no attempt to get her keys from Dan or otherwise access her vehicle – despite the cold, drizzly weather that night. Instead, she made a beeline for Copeley/Alderman Road and the commercial strip/Ivy Lane intersection.
She would be making a beeline to somewhere specifically when her car was still with the driver (Dan) and she knew where he was going or going to be at (party)
Forget what the friends have stated and go with the actual actions. Things make a little more sense that way.
Regarding grieving…
First, how does one grieve with no sense of closure? No death then one cannot grieve “properly”…or grieve at all.
Second, how do 20 year olds grieve to a missing friend, not known dead but missing? Perhaps (and hopefully) she is a runaway and thus the lack of and misinfo and quietness of this case.
My guess, LE knows.