Morgan Harrington Case: Virginia State Police On New Search
Charlottesville, VA– Virginia State Police are searching an area of route 64, between mile markers 112 and 114 today in their efforts to locate missing VT student, Morgan Harrington.
Located approximately 4 miles west of Charlottesville, VA, the stretch of highway leads up to an early area of interest, Crozet, VA.
VSP PR Manager, Connie Geller says the area is not being searched based on any new tip.
Check back to blinkoncrime.com for this developing story.
Update #1. Jim Hanchett, Newsplex, reports the search has ended for this area today, and is awaiting any news of other possible search areas.
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awa,J2K,
Thanks for bringing up Morgan’s comment.
I too believe it was a retrospect moment for Morgan. I took her unicorn comment as her stating she no longer believed in the fairy tale like maybe a knight in shining armor or that this was the night she realized life wasn’t like a fairy tale… something along those lines.
Unless we knew the lingo of Morgan and her group, or her college, it is hard to interpret. I think we should be careful in giving this comment too much scrutiny, because its all in how you read it…could mean anything or nothing at all.
J2K (#937)
Wow. You put in words, so eloquently and clearly, my exact line of thinking.
I’ve been toggling the last few days with the inconsistencies in this case because I was also inspired by that “investigatory rule of thumb.” By the way, I have a running list of inconsistencies that I want to add to your pot. Right now I only have a couple minutes to just throw one in.
The friends consistently take photos (whether it is socially appropriate or not). They consistently post them on their online social sites. The photos are consistently of them hanging out, having fun, posing, drinking, partying.
But yet there’s a glaring inconsistency of not a single photo of Morgan, Sarah, Amy or Dan from Oct 17. If there was a party that any one of them attended on that day we would expect behavior to be consistent. In other words, a photo somewhere would have cropped up somewhere.
Inconsistent. That’s all for now.
Happy New Year, all,
As I was catching up, I was overwhelmed with this idea: we aren’t seeing much public grief from the photographed friends because they believe that MH got what was “coming” to her.
I will go back to the previous thread and hunt for the exact link, but I do believe I recall someone (“Shannon?”) post something elsewhere about MH having “earned” a rep as a “manstealer.”
Nothing enrages less attractive and hostile females more. As Shakespeare said, “H*ll hath no fury like a woman scorned.”
On the site SlangSite.com
the definition of a unicorn is as follows
unicorn: Used by women to describe a man who is good-looking, well-dressed, well-educated, polite,
single, and straight.
Example: He looks like Tom Cruise, dresses in Armani, has a law degree from Harvard, sent me flowers,
and he asked me out Friday. I think he may be a unicorn.
OK, found it–J2K had posted the same thing I had found “Shannon2008″ saying, so I’ll borrow, if I may, with thanks:
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Dear Wordgirl –
Just so you know. Unicorns are a very popular design for LSD
blotter paper. See here –
http://www.blotterart.net/gallery/LSDphotos?page=3
and here –
http://blotterbarn.com/unicorn.html
The “sacrifice” mentioned in the MH captioned photo may be that she means either she took two of them, thus “tripping” and having an excuse not to talk – OR she gave two hits to someone else so they would go away and she wouldn’t have to talk to them.
Or – “Unicorns” are also a popular form of sucker stick candy, LOL.
You decide.
http://www.sweetfactory.com/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=1066&catId=
Sigh…can’t get that copy & paste thing to work here, but it’s in the long previous thread, and Shannon2008 is saying that Morgan had a reputation as a “man stealer.” Now, either this was reality or just someone’s perception of her–but it would be a quality IMO that could drive a fight–or fueled with alcohol/drugs, something worse.
re:post# 926 word girl
a while back there was a pic posted of mh and i believe ss with the caption ” cannot stop the battery”… turns out it is a lyric by metallica w/ some not so kind connotations, check out ud… also, stomped me down is something rather harsh, too. point being, i think some of the messages on fb are code, esp. if mom & dad had the password. and, thanks, sherlock. i thought unicorn might refer to drugs
Jared Taylor # 945
“Laughing, As I remember the only response you got out of the “Ass Clown” was him saying that he refused to have a battle of witts (sic) with an unarmed person”
Seeing as you remember so well, when you’re finished “laughing”, care to link me to that non-existent response? My post calling him out was deleted about an hour after it aired because it set the whole board into a frenzy, referring to his idiotic and endless plugging of his dead end “Hampton Inn sighting”, and Bulldog has yet to post again on that site (under that moniker anyway)..my post was just after the below post on December 11th at 3:06PM and has yet to receive a response from Senor Assclown:
http://www.findmorgan.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10269&postcount=13
I challenge you to find a post later than this one from Sr Assclown, particularly one that addressed my (far superior to yours) wit.
The correct advice cliche for you would be not to join a gunfight with only a knife in your hand. I hereby label you Assclown Jr until further notice.
Back under me rock……ahhhh
NYC Dude- Blink gets no credit for havin’ your back?
I recognized it immediately.
Not an assclown, that I know of,
B
AtothK (re: #949)
“She would be making a beeline to somewhere specifically when her car was still with the driver (Dan) and she knew where he was going or going to be at (party) … Forget what the friends have stated and go with the actual actions. Things make a little more sense that way.”
If MH’s phone was still working for an hour after she ended up outside the show, why wouldn’t she have the driver come pick her up at the arena? In your proposed scenario, dude was driving around in *her* ride, and the weather was crap. Not that I don’t buy it – few theories will truly make sense in this case until the truth is unveiled – but I think what you’re saying makes less sense than her calling/texting someone nearby to pick her up or asking this person where to head.
The one and only car description directly related to this case that LE has at its disposal is MH’s black 2-door Honda. If this car was wheeling around Cville after 9 p.m. with Dan or another dude at the wheel – possibly with MH in it at some point – wouldn’t its description have been released and the public plumbed for sightings of her car that night? Plus, there were four tickets bought and used by the group who rolled to the show in the Harrington “party”: MH, AM, SS, D. Unless I missed something, Dan was inside the show and happened to be holding MH’s keys because he supposedly drove them all to the venue and had not returned them to her by the time she was ejected/exited by mistake.
My point was/is, if we take what was said by the direct witnesses (her friends) at face value, MH did not have any sort of fallback once outside the concert. But that does not appear to be true. If it was, I’d think she would have gotten her friends on the phone or texted them to bring her keys to the lobby/security, or implored security to let her get her keys so she could access the potential warmth and security of her car for the duration of the show – or at least so she’d have that option.
Bucking the seemingly logical, reality-consistent action to take in her situation, she instead high-tailed it across the various lots and and onto a main road, sans keys, sans car, and no blip in the timleine indicates she intended to do otherwise or explored other options, such as accessing her car.
So, still no satisfactory answer has been attached to: what did she intend to do/who did she expect a ride from – or – where was she trying to walk/catch a ride to?
Blink, IF THIS IS NOT RELEVANT TO YOUR THREAD YOU NEEDEN’T POST IT just read it yourself.
My intent here is not to stir the pot. I lurk here often but rarely post. One thing that has annoyed me from the onset of this tragic situation is the manner in which Bulldog conducted himself, and I was vocal on the other website about it. I ended up getting banned when my post set all their panties in a bunch. I wanted to respond to give you well deserved props for pointing out what I at least thought was obvious about the other board, it seems like it is one person talking to his/herself all night long. I find it ironic that he/she/it/they feel as we do here that there will be a major break soon, yet if you really keep up with their thread, their main source of info is none other than Blinkoncrime.com
Kick ass. Sorry for the sidetrack…..
NYCDude
“NYC Dude- Blink gets no credit for havin’ your back?
I recognized it immediately.”
Credit was given in seperate post…
Thank you.
Lol, I missed it. My bad, friend..
B
“Laughing, As I remember the only response you got out of the “Ass Clown” was him saying that he refused to have a battle of witts with an unarmed person
Lol, yes, he stole the line from a post here in another case. Shocker.
B”
Wondered what the correct attribution of that quote was, and went to wikiquote. Found this, although I doubt it is the original:
“I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.”
– Pogo, character in “Pogo,” comic strip by Walt Kelly
I’m pretty sure that was derivative from Henny Youngman’s:
“Look, I’m not going to engage in a battle of wits with you. I never attack anyone who is unarmed.”
That brings me to my point via another Henny Youngman one-liner:
“How to drive a guy crazy: send him a telegram and on the top put ‘page 2.’ ”
Which is pretty much how I feel trying to read this thread, and follow the posts which are directly related to Morgan. (Now I’ve probably made it worse for someone else.)
Comment to NYC dude. Although I loved your post calling out bulldog, why does a GOOD PI spend so much time on the internet? I do recall that repsonse from him to you about the wits. That was deleted as well. Just as an FYI. Maybe you didn’t see it before it was removed.
Hi All,
Oh, so many good posts by all. I have been trying to catch up with all these great posts for past the past couple of hours. Was it the egg nogg or the winter blizzard that got us digging deeper into this case?
Momof3: I am perplexed by the pictures. I am not sure what to think. First take is in poor taste as blink had said, and one could intitally read that they are at best “insensitive” to the Harrington family, and to plight of the investigation.
I do not feel they are covering up for Morgan just taking off to start a secret life. I do not buy off on that theory at all. There is speculation of deception in a general sense of something from the friends. I think the pictures lends itself to mode of thinking. And yes, they have not told the truth before as well. As Sklyer also had mentioned: The truth does not get better with time. Could be one of them that may know “something”, or it could be all of them that know something and are not telling full truths. I am a believer also that widtholding the truth, (not saying anything) is on the same level as lying.
Many many different opinions and theories now on the friends from all of you. I take them all in. As far as the FB thing goes, and the parents, I do know that my children do have fb accounts. I cannot see what pictures that they have posted in their private areas. All, we as parents can do is talk with them about the dangers of posting pictures on FB. Perhaps some of the parents of the “9″ have been talked to about FB pictures, perhaps they are getting some type of couseling, maybe they are acting out by drinking, I guess we simply just do not know.
Ohio Mom works professionally in that area as a high school counselor, and in addition to her credit, she also works with that very same age group of Morgan friends. I respect that she mentioned that she has never seen this type of behavior in the situations that she has worked with.
Sherlock, exellent post this am.
J2K: I feel your Gpblet’s presence.
To anyone that would like throw out a theory, or facts if they have them, I have a couple of questions
We do know Morgan’s movements the night of the 17th. We at least know Dee’s movements.
We know that 4 tickets were scanned at the Metallica concerts
What do we know about Dan? I believe that Dan said he was at the concert, SS and AM.
Does anyone know what their movements were during the concert?
Could it be possible that perhaps we are not aware of the friends movem,ents? Did SS go to ladies room? DId Dan ever leave his seat?
Did they all sit in their seats the entire time during the concert?
Also, if someone can confirm a few details about Morgan’s movements outside the arena. This is unclear to me. has it been confirmed by LE that Morgan was seen walking away from the arena initially towards one of the lot’s, and then after that she walked back to re enter the concert and was denied entry, and then walked again away from the arena where the bb sighting and the bridge sighting was?
I’m thinking about all your great posts, but these 2 things are bugging me.
I’ve got my goblet, and my pipe. Sitting back.
Sherlock…I’m buying the Unicorn=LSD definition. And awa on the “stomped me down.” None of this makes me see Morgan as a bad girl…maybe with a wild side, which has always been one of the versions we’ve come up with at one time or another. No judgement, but this does make for lots of possiblities. I wish her parents could, or would, open up about things she had going on…if they knew anything about what was up. They probably only knew the half of it, but it may help in making some connections.
It was mentioned on this site and also on another site that AM possibly did not ride home with the other 2. Is this something that has been discussed. If she did not, where was she? After seeing the photos of the friends, I too feel that Morgan was not as close to them as implied. I do not think under any circumstance are these photos ok. If they were friends of my child I would be very upset. The photos speak for themselves. Is it possible that something happened inside the venue between Morgan and her friends or prior to arriving at the concert? Most of us have felt that something was not right about the friends stories which makes me believe that is true. Anything is possible but I just do not think Morgan ran away. She seemed to love her family too much to hurt them in this way. I think the fact that the friends allowed Morgan to stay outside by herself speaks for itself, it does not seem they cared. I have always believed from the beginning that the friends are not being honest. Maybe they did not do anything themselves but withholding information such as this is just as bad in my opinion. Blink, do you still think they will find Morgan and what happened to her. This seems to be the only intelligent, caring site about Morgan. The other sites are different. I think all of you are wonderful caring people that the world needs more of. I feel like we are all in the Twilight Zone. I pray that all of the good energy looking for Morgan will bring an answer for the Harrington’s. They deserve to know the truth.
Aaaack! There’s an imposter suz over on another site! (You can tell it’s not me—only a three word post, lol!)
#955 – Sherlock…in addition to LSD, ecstasy.
So much goes back to the car. The confusion about whose car was driven continues, I think. Have we ever *really* gotten confirmation on that? And, regardless of whose car was driven, if the car was parked somewhere at the arena, why couldn’t she have gotten keys, whether it was her car or not? If the car was being driven around, by whom was it being driven? There’s a huge gap in what the public knows.
I’ve not posted much, but I’m constantly reading what those of you with excellent analytical minds have conjectured. You’ve picked up on a lot that I would have otherwise missed.
My intuition is telling me a few things, repeats for the most part from what others have posted:
1) the girls weren’t so close anymore
2) having a niece who recently graduated from college and hearing stories about some of her friends, I am amazed at the superficiality and selfishness of many of the relationships in this age group. I cana totally see some of her friends leaving someone b/c of a dispute – now, whether they’d leave them 60 miles away, I would hope not.
3) I think within “the 9″ there are some close friendships, but each is not equally close to all the members.
4) I don’t think this is some kind of hoax. The pain the Harringtons are going through would have to caused someone, no matter if she was deeply loyal to Morgan, to crack under the pressure if Morgan were alive & well & this friend knew it.
5) I don’t want to “hate” on the friends. I think they are immature and deep in denial, and because Morgan wasn’t an everyday part of their lives (not the JMU ones, anyway), they are able to distance themselves from the reality of her being missing, endangered at best but probably deceased. Hence, their ability to carry on as if nothing happened, aside from a few gestures (2-4-1 on a door, e.g.).
6) I think their initial interviews with LE were probably clouded by their attempts to be truthful *and yet appear blameless themselves*, so the complete story, the whole truth, wasn’t told.
J2K – thanks for the description of the car. One of my first posts on Blink was to question why the car was never described. LE initially thought it wasn’t important because they thought the car stayed in Harrisonburg. I’m still not sure they’re clear on whether it did or if it was driven to Ch’ville.
Blink and all posters – thank you for keeping this going. I hope we’ll find out what really happened one day; I’m just afraid it may be a long time before Morgan is found.
Or perhaps – Unicorns could be this:
http://www.ecstasydata.org/viewtablet.php?ID=1583
Several thoughts this evening;
The first one being how shocked I am that it was the Harringtons and not LE telling the friends to be quiet. For some reason I feel betrayed. I thought we were all trying to find Morgan. Why would they do that?
The next thought is how in the heck could pictures of Morgan and now pictures of the Halloween party surface so quickly but still no pictures of Morgan?
My final thought is this. Am I the only one baffled by this “Wall of Silence”. Never have I followed a case where so many said so little. Is this a big cover up? Is Morgan just gone to New York to find herself? Did her brother not come home this Christmas because he stayed in NY with Morgan?
I have a ton of unanswered questions.
okay y’all… it gets weirder… sacrificing unicorns might have to do with something with a game and altars?helsinki.fi/~vvitane/spoilers/altars
mag, seems most likely, doesn’t it?
There have been some questions here tonight. I hope someone can answer them. Here is my take on some of these questions. I believe Dan did attend the concert-Blink didn’t you confirm this? I do not know think that Dan had tickets “with” Morgan, Amy and Sarah. My take is that he needed a ride because he already had tickets with some UVA friends so he offered to be the DD. Didn’t someone post on here a link where Dan Harrington mentions something about leaving two friends? I believe Dan was in another area of the arena and had her keys. I also believe they didn’t give her the keys to her car because she was too impaired to drive. This is where I think she just gave up and decided to meet up with someone on UVA campus, telling her friends she would find a ride and they could pick her up after the show.
Shew — I had to work late. J2K, I was shaking my fist at myself — thought about that gooey, warm brie most of the afternoon — : )
So glad you’re back — and I think you’re right on target — I have missed your posts.
The locals responded that it’s really only a few minutes brief walk from the arena to the bridge — it just looks longer on the maps — but you’re right — she made a bee line to that bridge, I believe, w/ a specific destination in mind. I may be wrong, but my memory of that bridge was that it was so dark and lonely that night — and it was cold. The people walking on the streets and in the UVA campus had their heads down huddled against the weather, as did I. If she had no coat, she was in a tee-shirt and she’s so thin, she had to be freezing.
The second part of this “tale” bothers me in that the friends stated it was not unusual for Morgan to HH — why would Morgan HH ? Ever ? There were posters on the FB page who said they often saw her on the local bus on the way to school — she had a car — WHY would she be HH’g for any reason ?
Ohiomom — you can mix me up w/ Chad any time — she writes beautiful posts — however, she may not feel the same about me — thank you for your experience in counseling — something is amiss here —
as to “unicorns” — ectasy has a pix of a unicorn stamped on the top — so I saw on google — Ectasy is not my generation; I fear I’m heading into the Ben Gay crowd any minute now — but who knows what she meant ?
I don’t know about you guys, but all of a sudden I’m so weary from this — my mind keeps circling back to a case a couple of years ago — I cannot think of specifics, so if anyone knows, please correct anything wrong I may state, but it was a circle of girls and one of them fell out of favor and the others just killed her — w/ no compunction whatsoever —
I do not for one second think Morgan’s friends did her physical harm — but their attitude just reminds me of those girls — their lives went on as if nothing had happened —
circling back to OYE’s post about a person in the group having scars/scratches they couldn’t explain, or their explanation didn’t make sense to fit the injury, where do college kids go to party — wooded areas near campgrounds —
I wonder if OYE’s campground reference is the same campground in the pix — should the area be searched ?
Also, does the two in the car on the way home mean they dropped the one person off in crozet and then 2 went further on to JMU ? Or did only 2 leave jpj ? Where did they wait for “three hours” — in the parking lot or at a party ? And where was the other person ?
I was parked behind Econo Lodge, which is closer than it appears on mapquest — I left a few minutes after 11:42 — the concert was over about 11:10 — at some point, persons returned to a room on the back side of the Econo Lodge, up the hill, it sounded like they had been at the concert — they turned up Metallica music loud — I remember two male voices talking in a jovial manner — I did not see anyone — but then others joined as they were coming back from the concert — is that the famous Econo Lodge party ? idk.
And I don’t know how the Harringtons must be feeling at this point. Isn’t findmorgan.com their website ? I know Dr. H reads the boards — I assume Alex does, as well — being hounded by this PI for a “reasonable” fee — so ultimately he can collect the hundred grand — if they saw those pix, what could they be thinking ?
Peace to all the brilliant posters here — apricot jam filled thumb print Christmas cookies to you all (they are my favorite) ! (shaking fist at the Barefoot Contessa, where I got the recipe : )
Sky
Elizabeth, I couldn’t agree more. The more silence by friends/family the more I think there are things they don’t want uncovered. I believe Morgan has had a troubled past. But people don’t care about that. We just want Morgan found. I hate to say this, but the lack of info and support from all involved (besides Dan and Gill) is just astounding.
Don’t know if this has been posted before but here goes. One of the basketball players that was on leave is now gone. http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2009/dec/22/local/chi-ap-bkc-virginia-tuckerd
http://www.virginiasports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17800&ATCLID=1133218
PERSONAL
• Jamil S. Tucker
• Born Dec. 26, 1987, in Los Angeles, Calif.
• Son of Earnice Tucker
• Has two older siblings
• Earned recognition on the Academic “A” Honor Roll his senior year in high school
• Anthropology major
Academic Honor Roll and now dismissed for academic reasons. Strange.
#963 JPO
“Comment to NYC dude. Although I loved your post calling out bulldog, why does a GOOD PI spend so much time on the internet? I do recall that repsonse from him to you about the wits. That was deleted as well. Just as an FYI. Maybe you didn’t see it before it was removed.”
Thanks for the heads up. I didn’t see my post or any responses to it later on that day. Maybe Bulldog was banned too, I know I can’t post there any more. I have no real desire to, that day his incessant self back-patting was irking the crap out of me about that weeks-old dead end sighting…I had earlier read him asking one of the mods there why they removed him as a Facebook friend…I mean what has the world come to? Could you picture Mike Hammer crying about being knocked off a Facebook page? Who in their right mind would retain this (yes I’ll say it again) ASSCLOWN? I let him have it and the website went to DefCon 4. Blink may weed out some of the useless posts here (for all intents & purposes this one but my relevant point is this) but she leaves up the ones relevant to the overall context of the thread so as not to confuse. That site just eliminates all viewpoints it deems controversial and counterproductive, fact is, in my opinion, you need drama to weed out drama. That site has no credibility whatsoever.
Thanks again JPO, and thank you to Blink & others here, apologies for me veering off the beaten track yet again for a moment….
Now….me rock is awaiting me yet again
I agree with you Elizabeth and jpo (and susanm — December 28, 2009 @ 1:18 am) . If it is true that the Harringtons are controlling the wall of silence of Morgans friends then it would explain why almost no information is being released about her disappearance from the people who saw her last. I truly believe she left on her own and if any info were released that might support this then everyone would stop looking for Morgan. I can’t imagine the friends would not have told the truth to the police AND to Morgan’s parents about what happened that night. I believe the police have made no progress with this case because there is nothing to investigate if there is no evidence of foul play and they suspect Morgan (an adult) chose to leave/disappear.
I have seen the pictures of Morgan partying and she is no different from her friends. Except her friends (and anyone who came in contact with her that night) have been disected and trashed all over the internet for their behavior and not speaking up publicly (possibly because they are keeping quiet out of respect for the Harringtons).
There is something very off when Morgan’s close friends are saying they “miss her and want her to come home” and her family is mentioning rape and murder.
Jared- your done here. You were treated respectfully and you are unable to reciprocate.
B
So many great posts. Thanks to all of you.
Sherlock, I vote for the tie-dye lollipops (not that it couldn’t be x or lsd).
NYC, been enjoying your defcon battle. Valhall coins a new name: “ass-hat” Btw, I’d never heard of AClown until I knew a NYorker.
Eliz, thx for the baller info. I read that press release and had to shut off my crap-detector.
Lots more to say, but think I’ll leave it ‘wise’ (thank you, dear reader). But must say this:
One poster said she couldn’t see the photos on her children’s FB. I hope you don’t disempower yourself in regards to your children’s FB or other internet activities (or in the rest of their lives). I would insist that they make you privvy to what they are posting. I’m guessing it wouldn’t be too hard to hack those passwords or get in through a friend’s FB? Or through a sibling’s account? I’ve checked on other people’s children to see if there was anything that needed a parental tipoff. (Nuthin. Just self-consciousness…)
Hope you’ll take this in the spirit intended. Very long day.
Skyler, and All
This is the (lyrics) song that Skyler referred to way up there in a post. This is a beautiful Christmas song, and actually Skyler, I thought of Gil, Alex, and Dan Harrington too when I heard this song.( Sarah M is the first time a few years ago I heard this song by Sarah M.) I’m a bit Irish, so forgive the preference in singers.
Skyler, you are a core poster here, and your posts are so important to us all. I live in the Midwest, and for you to be there that night, just takes my breath away. I hope LE has looked at your account of that evenng, and every detail that you provided on that night. Yes, I do believe that your friend was correct, you were meant to be there not to save her, but to help her, and I hope that what you have provided to LE, even the smallest detail, will make a significant difference.
I was so flattered that Ohiomom mixed me up with you!
side bar (here are the lyrics to Skyler song she references in her post:)
sarah McLaclan lyrics to River
It’s coming on Christmas
They’re cutting down trees
They’re putting up reindeer
And singing songs of joy and peace
Oh I wish I had a river
I could skate away on
But it don’t snow here
It stays pretty green
I’m going to make a lot of money
Then I’m going to quit this crazy scene
I wish I had a river
I could skate away on
I wish I had a river so long
I would teach my feet to fly
Oh I wish I had a river
I could skate away on
I made my baby cry
He tried hard to help me
You know, he put me at ease
And he loved me so naughty
Made me weak in the knees
Oh I wish I had a river
I could skate away on
I’m so hard to handle
I’m selfish and I’m sad
Now I’ve gone and lost the best baby
That I ever had
Oh I wish I had a river
I could skate away on
I wish I had a river so long
I would teach my feet to fly
Oh I wish I had a river
I made my baby say goodbye
It’s coming on Christmas
They’re cutting down trees
They’re putting up reindeer
And singing songs of joy and peace
I wish I had a river
I could skate away on
NYC. I was right there when you posted that to bulldog cheering silently behind my computer. He ruined his own reputation. I am sure he is still there, probably posting under another name. Or he is this Jacob Tyler guy that is sticking up for him on here. LOL.
mosaic (re: #951)
“I’ve been toggling the last few days with the inconsistencies in this case because I was also inspired by that ‘investigatory rule of thumb.’ By the way, I have a running list of inconsistencies that I want to add to your pot.”
Water’s simmering, mosaic – bring ‘em. (And bonus clinks for use of “toggling.”)
You go on to note: “there’s a glaring inconsistency of not a single photo of Morgan, Sarah, Amy or Dan from Oct 17. If there was a party that any one of them attended on that day we would expect behavior to be consistent. In other words, a photo somewhere would have cropped up somewhere.”
Good point, yet it’s quite possible any images they captured before and during the concert were confiscated by LE as potential material evidence in the case. And not that certain people you noted have shown proper restraint in their behavior since that fateful evening, but I think it would take a sociopathic level of insensitivity to post fun, flashy photos from the night out that resulted in the disappearance of a good friend. That said, I think their camera memory cards were confiscated as part of the investigation.
Momof3 re: last unicorns
“I took her unicorn comment as her stating she no longer believed in the fairy tale like maybe a knight in shining armor or that this was the night she realized life wasn’t like a fairy tale… something along those lines. … Unless we knew the lingo of Morgan and her group, or her college, it is hard to interpret. I think we should be careful in giving this comment too much scrutiny, because its all in how you read it…could mean anything or nothing at all.”
Yes, Mom. Indeed. But one could say that about nearly everything we’re scrutinizing with one eye in this case. I agree with other posters here that it likely refers to ecstasy. Or stickers.
Chad (re: #964)
“There is speculation of deception in a general sense from the friends. … Could be one of them that may know “something”, or it could be all of them that know something and are not telling full truths. I am a believer also that widtholding the truth, (not saying anything) is on the same level as lying.”
And, in Virginia, Johnny Law is of the opinion that purposely deceiving investigators or withholding info related to the successful prosecution of an offense is a fairly serious crime in and of itself.
Virginia Code § 18.2-460 – Obstructing justice:
A. If any person without just cause knowingly obstructs a judge, magistrate, justice, juror, attorney for the Commonwealth, witness or any law-enforcement officer in the performance of his duties as such or fails or refuses without just cause to cease such obstruction when requested to do so by such judge, magistrate, justice, juror, attorney for the Commonwealth, witness, or law-enforcement officer, he shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.
…
D. Any person who knowingly and willfully makes any materially false statement or representation to a law-enforcement officer who is in the course of conducting an investigation of a crime by another is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.
(Class 1 misdemeanors in Va. are punishable by confinement in jail for up to twelve months and a fine up to $2,500 – either or both.)
I’m not saying that the friends with her that night who were questioned by LE did anything wrong or fell anywhere short of being truthful… I’m just sayin’.
suz (re: #967)
You should challenge the Imposter to a hip-hop duel! We got yo’ back.
[flashes pathetic attempt at gang sign resembling a "B"]
jpo (#974) re:
“I believe Dan was in another area of the arena and had her keys. I also believe they didn’t give her the keys to her car because she was too impaired to drive. This is where I think she just gave up and decided to meet up with someone on UVA campus, telling her friends she would find a ride and they could pick her up after the show.”
See, this makes much more sense to me in explaining why she didn’t insist on obtaining her keys or making any noted attempt to get them once outside. (btw – where did you get the info about Dan’s seat in the arena? Just curious.)
But regardless of why she did not ask for her keys, the more troubling question is why SS would claim MH told her she intended to get a ride home on her own. Of course, that statement may have changed over time to LE, and the *real* answer is currently shrouded by the well-noted curtain of secrecy around this case. Although, if confronted lying to the police in the course of a criminal investigation, one would hope the presumed (*sob* “I just dint wanna g-g-get in *hiccup* twuh-uh-b-ble”) excuse from this… woman would not be enough to avoid prosecution. (If only Virginia codified charges for Hindering Good Taste or Obstructing Human Decency… then she could be nailed for that costume.)
Um, yeah. I seem to have emptied my goblet on that one.
Errr. Uh Boy
Yep
B
NYCDude – re: cracking me UP
I failed to mention that you have my nomination for Quote of the Night, Dude; though, I can’t decide between the elegant simplicity of (#958):
“The correct advice cliche for you would be not to join a gunfight with only a knife in your hand. I hereby label you Assclown Jr until further notice.”
Or (also in reference to Ass C. Jr.) the tangential indignation artfully captured here (#979):
“I had earlier read him asking one of the mods there why they removed him as a Facebook friend…I mean what has the world come to? Could you picture Mike Hammer crying about being knocked off a Facebook page? Who in their right mind would retain this (yes I’ll say it again) ASSCLOWN? I let him have it, and the website went to DefCon 4.”
… Maybe I’ll just change my irrelevant nomination to “Quotes” of the night.
Facebook is blowing up with fights.
In the beginning I am sure LE and the Harrington’s asked the friends not to speak too much in public. Remember in the beginning we had heard nothing of the necklace or where the purse was found, ect.
Since then, We have heard the police urge the friends to tell them more. We have heard the Harrington’s wondering aloud during interviews about questions they do not have the answers to, who could answer these questions for the Harrington’s?
My point is, remember that we heard this tidbit (the Harrington’s asked us not to speak up)from a friend, that had come forward to defend a different friend. Do we know it is true, NO. The friend that said it was referring to something she had heard second or third hand. It seems that every bit of info that has come out is just that, second hand or third hand knowledge and debatable at best.
No exact times.
No exact description of clothes.
No exact # of people
No exact words from Morgan other than what she told her Poppa at 2pm
The friends know the answers to all of these questions and have known them from the start, yet The Harrington’s were at first going on assumptions and LE was basically starting at zip and working from there.
Why don’t these friends clear up some of these inconsistencies? Because The Harrington’s don’t want it. Well, as you heard from a different friend they do not owe the public anything. So which is it? We are left with the same nagging questions.. like..What was she wearing? Hose, tights? fishnets? Hair up, down?
We essentially do not know any more today than we did, except that Morgan’s friends are really good at remaining quiet. I hope for Morgan’s sake, they were more forthcoming with the police.
We have scrutinized OYE’s words. I hope Le has scrutinized theirs.
#969 M.
Great post.
You wrote in part:
My intuition is telling me a few things, repeats for the most part from what others have posted:
1) the girls weren’t so close anymore
2) having a niece who recently graduated from college and hearing stories about some of her friends, I am amazed at the superficiality and selfishness of many of the relationships in this age group. I cana totally see some of her friends leaving someone b/c of a dispute – now, whether they’d leave them 60 miles away, I would hope not.
3) I think within “the 9″ there are some close friendships, but each is not equally close to all the members.
4) I don’t think this is some kind of hoax. The pain the Harringtons are going through would have to caused someone, no matter if she was deeply loyal to Morgan, to crack under the pressure if Morgan were alive & well & this friend knew it.
5) I don’t want to “hate” on the friends. I think they are immature and deep in denial, and because Morgan wasn’t an everyday part of their lives (not the JMU ones, anyway), they are able to distance themselves from the reality of her being missing, endangered at best but probably deceased. Hence, their ability to carry on as if nothing happened, aside from a few gestures (2-4-1 on a door, e.g.).
6) I think their initial interviews with LE were probably clouded by their attempts to be truthful *and yet appear blameless themselves*, so the complete story, the whole truth, wasn’t told.
Strangely enough one poster here touched on several of these issues earl on, Roxy.
Looking back,she seems to have more knowledge about the group than any one. Here again is her post:
Comment by Roxy — December 7, 2009 @ 7:20 pm Nov 29
Hey Blink, In theory, I think someone is not lying per say but only telling part of the truth here.
For any of us old enough to know what it means to be away from home and living on our own for the first time. Life can be all peachy in the beginning but then reality sets in and can quickly change once you start geting to know another person. Knowing someone and living with them are two entirely different things.
There always seems to be one in every group that can be a bully or uses peer pressure as a means of getting their own way. Leaving to find respite back home is a sensible thing to do to get away from it all for awhile. It always seems too many pals are over, someone is not focused in pulling their weight or leaving one to spend more than their share. Thus, the bank account overdraft. There would be no reason to alarm loved ones because things between friends tend to eventually sort themselves out. However, it would be interesting to see the video or what the cashiers have to say the day she went shopping as a measure of caution. There is always the possiblity a chain of events could have unfolded beforehand.
I’m not suggesting her friends are involved in her disappearance, but for this reason, I believe there was already tension going on prior to the concert. I’m sure there have been bad concert nights or evenings in the past that may have harbored a little anger. Not to harm someone maliciously but things sometimes happen deserving of a pay back.
So, they already have tickets and decide to go and make the most out of it only for her to be left feeling like a third or fourth wheel. After falling, bleeding and possibly crying ..etc.. Morgan decides to go to the bathroom and finds herself tricked, lured or escorted out of the arena only to be denied re-entry. Arguing is the only thing that would make me wander around alone and its unlikely I would contact the one I’m at odds with.
Morgan makes contact to let her friends know she cannot get back in the building. One of the friends say I’m coming out to help but they never do. While Morgan is waiting she decides to bum a few cigarettes and a coat to stay warm. Even though its said she quit smoking this scenario makes for a super bad day and I could see her making an exception. During this time someone speaks to her and empathizes with her situation but left her knowing what she intended to do.
At this point Morgan called her friends to say never mind I’ll find a way home. A text message would seem more realistic considering it was a concert. It would be inconsiderate to leave otherwise so one would make sure the call was heard or message relayed. Obviously Morgan had manners to do so otherwise she would have just left without saying a word. Cell phone activity may have registered but I wonder if it elaborates on which type, a phone call or text message. The phone call may have been nothing more than garble or static and viewed as a crank call from someone merely joking around. The friend simply assumes she will be waiting outside afterwards considering it was her car they arrived in.
When she wasn’t there they assumed she went home or left with other people she knew that attended the concert. Somehow they became aware that she didn’t make it back so they had to think of something to tell everyone without looking foolish. Times may change but the way kids think- not so much.
If this was Morgan on the bridge I cannot see her hitchhiking as much as she may have been walking to another destination, like to a relative. It would make perfect sense this person watched her movements and waited until it was the right opportunity. Pulls up beside her and offers her a ride. A passerby(s) witnesses what appears to be her getting into or spotted inside a vehicle. At some point in the night a relationship had already been established as trust worthy so Morgan thought it was ok for she didn’t have far to go…
I think the phone messages, nylons/boots and necklace will play key roles in this investigation. Also, I think her phone took a picture being her only means of security hence the missing battery/chip. The purse, phone case, coat were tossed and found in an area she was known to be or led to believe after this person returned. Driving distance, to and from, would have been within a certain length of time before anyone noticed. Even going as far out to say this person may have had visible marks others thought were odd even when explained. Almost like the degree of injury didn’t fit the excuse or reason.
Perhaps I read too many crime stories but this seems realistic and makes much more sense to me.
Thanks for the ear Blink.- R
Mom3-
Going out on a limb, I think the necklace is pivotal to the POI. I do not believe it was given to her by her brother.
B
I thought I heard something in your voice on the radio show tonight when speaking of the necklace. Oh how I hope that LE has a strategy. Thanks for going out on that limb, Blink. I appreciate it as do others. We won’t let you fall. At least not alone….
Lol, thanks, I am not afraid of failing. I am however afraid of failing anyone that has put their faith in me.
Love and Peace Friend
B
Blink, my friend, in the wise words of Clarence to George Bailey:
No man is a failure that has friends.
You provide much more than a victim’s advocate site here Blink. You provide a haven for people to come and speak their mind, no matter if we are just housewives or lawyers. I can’t tell you how much you’ve helped my marriage, I am not joking when I say I was driving my poor husband bonkers speaking about these cases all the time. LOL
So thanks, and I’ll leave you with one more quote from Clarence:
One man’s life touches so many others, when he’s not there it leaves an awfully big hole.
Momof3 and Blink,
Interesting comments about the necklace. I had forgotten about it.
Hmmm… it would seem to be another inconsistency in Morgan’s pattern. All the necklaces I’ve seen her wear in pictures have been more in the hand crafted hippie mode – hemp or twine with beads and inexpensive.
This necklace in question looks pretty Bling to me, not something she would normally wear? Maybe. And why such an expensive necklace from a brother? I have two sisters myself, and I can guarantee you I wouldn’t
give them a necklace as a present!! Maybe a pair of gloves or a gift card (I hate to shop).
But jewelry from a brother??? Questionable.
Hypothesis –
Was Morgan “dressed up” that night specifically for a guy she planned to meet? Was the necklace a gift from this guy and that’s why she wore it?
If so, then the nature of the necklace itself (cost, style, etc.) will give us a lot of insight as to WHO bought it for her and what relationship he had with her, past or present.
BTW Blink, I couldn’t stream your radio show’s M3u file (it asked for a user and pass) but I can download the MP3 file when it’s archived.
Look forward to it. Internet radio is a vital resource for the news and issues that the “media” won’t cover or even mention.
Hope we get to hear more of you over the web soon!
Thanks Sherlock.
B
I will attempt to clear some things up for the fine folks over here, at the risk of being flamed, as I know there are some trolls in common with this board and findmorgan.com, so I do expect that at least one of them will attempt to have a field day with this post – go for it.
1st, baadbobby is a name that I use on several forums; it is very easily traceable, much more so than probably any of yours, go ahead and investigate, see who I am, in fact, go to the thread http://www.findmorgan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=813&page=4
I started this back in early November, so we could get a feel for who we were dealing with. Hopefully that will answer some questions for the person who was wondering who we are over at findmorgan.com, BTW, I don’t exactly see a list of credentials over here.
On the subject matter of folks thinking that Questioner, James (Bulldog), and Claudette are all the same person, think what you want, but they are not. I have had dealings with all three since this start of this, I have contact info. for all three, and I have had telephonic contact with 2/3. Bulldog is indeed a man from Virginia, Claudette is indeed a lady from another part of VA, and Questioner is a lady from another state entirely, not even a border state to VA. So what if these folk have talked? So what if I have talked to them? Am I guilty by association? If so, guilty of what? Trying to FIND MORGAN? Unlike many, I have kept the realm of possibilities open as far as what has happened. I have been actively working toward a)moral support of the Harringtons, b)getting people familiar with Morgan’s case, c)actively saturating key areas with flyers, d)participating in spirited discussion about the case, etc. Please consider asking yourselves “What can I do to help find Morgan? How can I more effectively use my time and energy to help solve this case? Am I helping or hurting Morgan’s cause by defamating her friends? Is there some place I know of that could use some flyers?…”
A poster on here asked Blink what she thought of my summary of my trip to WV, well Blink, do you buy it? Do you buy that you are wrong in naming Questioner as the same person as Claudette? I’m sorry to say it, but I think you were given some false info from a disgruntled troll. Feel free to respond openly as well as e-mailing me, I’ll gladly give you my phone number, perhaps we could actually work toward solutions to finding Morgan. It may actually be a win-win-win situation if we allow it to be.
I respect this post and ask everyone to read it.
Bobby points out that I may have gotten a bad tip that Questioner and Claudette are the same person and that could be the case. I was not going to spend any more time looking into it, as I trust the good readers/contributors to this board to figure that out on their own. I have been approached by both all 3 individuals.
Let me say this and I want this issue put to bed on my site, and we move the discussion to constructive-
Bulldog is no PI I would give the time of day to based on his tactics, and apparently obsessive and underhanded way he went about contacting this family. I know more PI’s than I care to, unfortunately the bad ones are so bad they give even the best ones a bad name.
I have never met a psychic that interjected themself into a case, that provided useful info to find a missing person. I am not saying they do not exist. I am saying that if there are maybe a handful in the world, that’s alot, and you will rarely if ever here there name. One of the strongest reasons LE even works tips from them or talks to them in the first place, is becomes sometimes people will present themselves as psychics in an effort to pass on real info, but don’t want to be Id’d. That said, I have worked on a case where the family believes in the work provided by one.
Imo, if they cannot provide info that leads to a body or a perp.. ’nuff said.
All that said, Families should shield themselves at a time when they are most vulnerable. They should elect or hire a spokesperson as their means allow ( again 3 references). And all contact should run through them, period.
For the record, In certain cases, I do recommend the family hires a PI in tandem with an LE investigation based on many factors. Personally, I would not hire a PI that was not former LE or Fed LE. LE will be more inclined to work with them as the jurisdictional statues allow, and their network and resources are well established.
B
yo, yo, j2k, thanx fo hangin with me, dog! but easy on tha gang signs, man—that almos looked like a crip thang! don’t wanna see you stomped under some timbs for flashin da wrong fingas, you feel me? it’s all good. one luv, my playas!
hey, ya think brotha man (shannon def dawg) uses this app to change his tweets to ghetto slang? http://appadvice.com/appnn/2009/08/twitter-filtering-app-changes-tweets-into-gangsta-slang/
fo real!
Blink, re that bling, er, necklace—-did you find something on the temporarily un-hidden fb pages to make you think it came from a poi, or is that just a hunch? cuz with her bro being in nyc fashion, he could have easily gotten it as some kind of swag from an event, or gotten it from someone who did (you know—gotten it free as opposed to buying it)
No, hunch based on a conversation I had with LE. The way the question was answered as to why the info was held, it is purely speculative on my part.
B
Hello Blink “et all” I wrote this tonight in response to a Find Morgan Harrington compassionate young womans posting on the Facebook Account which in spite of all the infighting and drama I still wind up checking in on daily and I replied to her with the following post. i would like to share with you all my fellow cheese loving internet savvy , un internet savvy, posse of friends. I am a rock and roll singer and a mother. I have always felt safe “somehow protected “at rock and roll concerts, when I have been in the audience, and when I have been singing with my band. It simply horrifies me to my soul, that a beautiful and beloved daughte,r and sister, can disappear, on campus, without a trace, from a public music venue, with security, and police, and cameras and students, all around. How can this be in this day and age??!! How can our daughters and sisters and girlfriends, not be safe to walk alone, to attend public events with out running the risk of being abducted or victimized, this is beyond the pale even if they had a drink or a smoke of a joint , who didn’t. Morgan somehow captured my attention, my heart, and I will not rest until she is found, she represents all of our beloved sisters ,daughters , wives , we cannot give up on her or we may as well give up on all women, on civilisation, and on our grandchildren. This is wrong, it is an epidemic of global proportions. Let’s face it, the three biggest money makers on the planet today are weapons, drugs and human trafficking. I am not saying Morgan is a victim of sexual slavery. I am saying she is a missing person, and a young female, and has so joined the ranks of legions of young children and young women who disappear and turn up victimized or dead or are never heard of again .I refuse to close my eyes to this tragic phenomena.
Somehow, forever, Morgan and her incandescent beauty and free spirit touched my soul.
Godspeed Morgan come home.
2 seconds ago ·
Touching Hummingbird, and I agree.
B
Life has a way, a way of it’s own. I had contacted BullDog James Pollack back in July 09 to take a look at my case. He blew me off, promised to call back and never did. I guess I got lucky that he didn’t call me. The PI we did hire, in 2006, turned out to be POS, $15,000 later and promises and big talk, did nothing for us and even made up dates when we asked him to give a report of what exactly he did for 15G. We were victims and then we were taken advantage of. The perps, are still free and still causing us grief. LE ignores me, I cry alot. Our society seems to be going through some kind of bad era, I hope it passes in my lifetime and we find our love of decency once more.
I am very, very sorry to hear that. Unfortunately, kind people, at their most vulnerable are sitting ducks for this kind of attack. I tell people never to hire either a PI OR a lawyer without 3 referrals verified personally.
The basketball player leaving school is interesting. If he did happen to be one of the ones who talked to her that night, he is no longer under the protection of the UVA machine, right?
#969 -Bean -not implying anything… interesting screen name given the subject. I think you’ve posted b4, though.
Not that it really matters, but the reference to unicorns was probably a reference to ecstasy like others have posted. http://www.ecstasydata.org/viewtablet.php?ID=1583 (these were tested in May 2007) According to the state of VA, it’s the drug of choice for college aged students. It would also probably make her feel more at ease socially vs. LSD.
J2K, Sherlock and others. I too agree that MH and the nine didn’t seem as close anymore. I doubt that as a group they would even be mentioned if 2 of them hadn’t accompanied her to the concert. Maybe her parents thought they were closer than they really were or it was mentioned early in the investigation and it just caught on. Metallica likely bonded them at some point in their relationship so it was a good idea to get together and go to the concert. I doubt that she was THAT excited to see them. Tickets probably sold out within hours so having plans 6 months in advance doesn’t necessarily mean it was the concert of a lifetime for her. But who knows.
Here’s something that has bothered me and I can’t remember if it has been addressed. Weren’t there 4 tickets purchased for the concert? Who used the 4th ticket if not Dan. Did she leave to sell it to someone and he never showed or was he extremely late leaving her stranded outside of the arena? Was this the reason for the argument in the parking lot? Also, was Dan a minor until a couple of weeks ago, and is that why his name had been left out for so long?
I think that the camping photos might be from 2 different places/times. The ones w/ her wearing the purple wristband are from the Gemini Festival back in June 2007. Towards the end of the album, there’s a very small tag on a photo of MH w/AM (sweatshirt covering her face) that says “Arcadia is where it’s AT!” The only campground I could find listed in Arcadia is North Creek CampGround – GW&Jefferson National Forest – seems pretty remote. Don’t know if OYE was referring to this campground as a party spot or some other one. Maybe when locals refer to Arcadia they mean a nearby area.