Morgan Harrington Case: Virginia State Police On New Search
Charlottesville, VA– Virginia State Police are searching an area of route 64, between mile markers 112 and 114 today in their efforts to locate missing VT student, Morgan Harrington.
Located approximately 4 miles west of Charlottesville, VA, the stretch of highway leads up to an early area of interest, Crozet, VA.
VSP PR Manager, Connie Geller says the area is not being searched based on any new tip.
Check back to blinkoncrime.com for this developing story.
Update #1. Jim Hanchett, Newsplex, reports the search has ended for this area today, and is awaiting any news of other possible search areas.
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Ah, I see Fish offered a “paver guy took the photo” explanation. Good one.
As to a poster who thought Morgan wouldn’t deliberately get hammered if she really wanted to see Metallica or go out on a date, I’m gonna’ beg to differ. I’ve never understood the ‘get totally smashed and pass out before the show’ concert experience, but I sure have seen ALOT of it, so I think it’s a fairly common phenom, especially with the youngsters (though the “Dead Tree Crew” Redskins fans who proudly get smashed at tailgating have alot of grandpa types among them, so I guess I ought not tarnish the young, lol).
In trying to respond to Judi’s post at 3:25 on December 30 (it was 1118, then 1127) – I looked at an aerial shot of the area I have and yes, I guess she could have been trying to get to the garage, but my question is: why would she walk all the way over to the Lanigan field area and then back to the road to get on the bridge in the space of about 10 minutes? At 9:00 she was in the UHall parking lot (walking in the same direction with other people — I believe to be the basketball players). So her interaction with the BB players could have been as long as 20 minutes. Why go to Lanigan field? Some have said to party or tailgate with someone. For 10 minutes and then she decides to walk back to the bridge and hitchhike? At 9:20 her texting stops and that’s the same time the basketball players leave the lot. No, I believe, and I’m sorry to say it, that she walked to the Lanigan field and got in a car with one of them. I don’t know why, how or by whom the battery was removed or phone powered off at 9:30 but that’s what we have.
I would like to say that all the scenarios we have come up with regarding the friends could have also happened in the case of the basketball players trying to do a good deed for a girl in distress. Then, because they HAVE been told about not allowing themselves to get into bad situations, he/they try to cover it up.
I thought the last part of the police statement was interesting, something about “any odd behavior from someone attending the concert on Oct 17th” — what about odd behavior of grades plummeting in someone who was by all accounts a good student and had worked hard over the summer to get in shape and work on his game? If this guy is involved or knows something, his having “personal problems that led to his grades sliding” implies conscience. He’s a good guy, was raised right, was trying to do a good deed and something went terribly wrong and now…
The press conference specifically says the friends were not involved. The basketball players were not mentioned.
The $150,000 reward is huge — but not as huge as a possible half mil a year contract in the NBA.
I believe Morgan’s purse was tossed after the fact — IF her phone was indeed inside. I do not know any 20 something girls who put their phone in their purse. It is constantly in their hands. And as to why would someone do that? Because they’re scared out of their wits, they’re not a criminal and they don’t know WHAT to do with it. They didn’t even realize the battery wasn’t IN the phone but they knew they had to get rid of it…
So this is where I stand right now and it is all based on whether or not Jamil Tucker was one of the players who interacted with Morgan that night. Why has that one little fact not been released?
I also want to say that I truly, really, emphatically hope I am wrong.
Blink, you dont need to post this, but to answer your question… ever since Danes death I tend to notice cases like Morgans much more than I ever did in the past. Dane lived 5 blocks downt the street and I went to high school with him. Its just so sad that something like this can happen to a bright young individual. We just finally found out what happened to Dane a few months ago. For the last year and a half we have held surf competition and handed out flyers in the gaslamp district in hopes of finding any information. When the truth came out it was far worse than anything I could have imagined. He was slipped something at the bar, he was seen by numerous people falling down and looking extremely intoxicated. Somehow that man got Dane back to his house, I’m just guessing he followed him after the bar with his car and offered him a ride. I could just see something like this happening to Morgan. Dane knew he wasnt feeling well, or just thought he was really drunk and was trying to make it back to his hotel. Maybe Morgan new she was slipped something or knew something was wrong and was trying to get to someplace safe or familiar, maybe a friend that lived nearby. Obviously the person who slipped her something knew she would be impaired and watched her actions. Maybe it was someone she knew or met in the concert, but if that person just happens to show up in a car and offers her a ride and she recognizes him as her friend from the concert and if she was not thinking straight I think she would take that ride, just like Dane perhaps did. Those are the similarities I see. I’m young, Danes age. I’m not as great an analytical thinker as the rest of you. I’m just now able to realize and see the possible evils in the world after Dane. thats all
Curious. I am posting this, because although I have not covered Dane’s case, I can tell you I have worked on it.
I know it so well I can recall the coordinates of the alley he was found in. Freaky, I know, but an example of how I wish there were more hours in a day.
Thanks for putting out there the issue of friends losing site of each other and tragedy.
I am sorry for your loss, but hopeful of your advocacy as a result.
B
Here we go again Blink. It never ends.
http://www.wect.com/global/story.asp?s=11749272
Human remains found on the side of River Road
NEW HANOVER COUNTY, NC (WECT) – Someone searching for bottles along River Road found human remains on the side of the road.
There is no word yet how this person died or how long the body has been in the area.
Check back for more information as it becomes available.
Kathy-
Thanks for posting, not your fault, but:
that may be the single worst piece of coverage I have ever read. WTH?
Prayers to this person’s family
B
Comment by suz — December 29, 2009 @ 11:08 pm
“Wait, you guys are saying that paving dude is the same dude as in front of the couch? Jeez, I wouldn’t have recognized him as being the same character. I must be awful with faces. I do think the swarthy coheed and cambria guy looks just like the annoying Indian dude in Parks and Recreation, but the paving guy? huh. Go figure! Good catch.”
suz,
Who’s the “annoying dude”, which Parks and Recreation?
@Suz, 1147: My husband, when I mentioned the empty coal cars idea ages ago, said it’d be very hard to find her if the cars were filled with coal at the next stop and sent on their way. I have no idea how all of that works, but his feeling was if that’s what happened, we might never find out. Does anyone else have an understanding of the process with the coal and those cars? (FWIW I don’t believe that’s what happened, but it’s plausible. Local is absolutely correct that one *could* go right over the side of those low rails.)
re: press release
… i think what was not stated spoke more loudly than what actually was….
Don’t what this info is worth, but MH’s facebook pic are on public view?
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=5235&id=522713449 (33 pics?)
more pics from a friend of MH:
69 pics
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=5235&id=522713449#/album.php?aid=2202263&id=31112552&ref=nf
sorry about the typos and missed words.
Hi Andrew. I wanted to post on your comment:
If you research earlier threads you will be able to read about the discussions concerning the crews, and the band. I agree with you. Perhaps we could revist that venue again, as we have revisited and re discussed every other proposed theory in Morgan’s dissappearance.
In reading your post, yes, we have had quite a bit of discussion concerning the friends and have spent a lot of time analyzing pictures, time lines, and other related possible scenarios.
Based on your post, you take us all away from Morgans friends and propose certain “groups” of people in relation to the bands crew help.
Andrew, were you working as a crew hired hand that night? You seem to know an awful lot about how it all works. You even indate in your post as “we”? Are you part of a crew that gets to travel with the band? Perhaps now we should revisit this scenario, since the crew has easy access in and out of the venue to troll around and scope out the crowd. Can you expand more on why you think the friend theory is misplaced?
(snippet)
For those people who travel with the tour, we often forget about the locals. The stagehands are often the ones with the sore backs at the end of the day. Often they get put on the lower end of the food chain at the gig. Depending on the venue, you will face a plethora of different types of stagehands. Some are union, others are freelance or college students. There are even gigs where they are prisoners doing their work release.
Comment by andrew — December 30, 2009 @ 4:42 pm
Hello, I have followed this forum for a number of weeks. Theories abound. Other than the paver guy, most i don’t find plausible. There has been some talk of an “inside job”, meaning security. What I have not seen conisdered is concert crew, vendors, groupies. – Not inner circle band employees but some of the many people who associate themselves with traveling rock shows. Below are some definitions and explanations of who these peolpe are, where they come from, what they do. Just to qualify: I have attended hundreds of rock shows, large and small. There is always a fringe element present. Much of this fringe has issues ranging from drugs to crime and live and feed off of the traveling carnival that is a rock show. These people may or may not actually attend the show. If hired as crew they generally have all access passes and once the load in is done, can come and go at will. Most rock shows I’m familar with are just that – shows. Setlists and stage banter and pyrotechnics and such are repeated night after night. The timeline of the night’s event is repeatable and predictable, leaving opportunity to troll the crowd and the surroundings. My hunch is that Ms. H’s abuctor is from this set of people.
My opinion: any conspiracy theory concerning her friends is misplaced.
Stage crew
Local labour hired to help with load in and load out, and in some cities may perform duties like mixing sound or operating spotlights.
Vendors
People selling ancillary products (T-shirts, programs, food, drink). Could tour with the band or local.
For those people who travel with the tour, we often forget about the locals. The stagehands are often the ones with the sore backs at the end of the day. Often they get put on the lower end of the food chain at the gig. Depending on the venue, you will face a plethora of different types of stagehands. Some are union, others are freelance or college students. There are even gigs where they are prisoners doing their work release.
College Students are a whole other ball of wax. You can really start to play mind games with these guys. The 2 most common majors you will find in your college crews? Psychology and Communications.
A different scenario comes in to play with prisoners or work release programs. The only bonus is that they are excited about being outside the prison walls.
Re: Comment by mary/mary too — December 30, 2009 @ 6:13 pm
“I thought the last part of the police statement was interesting, something about “any odd behavior from someone attending the concert on Oct 17th” — what about odd behavior of grades plummeting in someone who was by all accounts a good student and had worked hard over the summer to get in shape and work on his game? If this guy is involved or knows something, his having “personal problems that led to his grades sliding” implies conscience. He’s a good guy, was raised right, was trying to do a good deed and something went terribly wrong and now…
The press conference specifically says the friends were not involved. The basketball players were not mentioned.”
Mary – Your assessment of Tucker’s academic problems is not accurate. He was not by all accounts a good student, as you state; the local buzz I have heard is quite the opposite, in fact. This has been going on prior to October 17. He would not have been kicked off of the team if he had gone from good student to nose-diving academics in a 2-month span.
I do not know him or exactly what kind of process he specifically was put through prior to being removed from the team, but I did know quite a few student-athletes when I was a student there (not all THAT long ago) and am familiar with the academic aid that is available to them. If his grades were not meeting the required levels, he would have been required to spend additional time with a tutor. He would have been on probation for at least a semester, in the hopes he could bring his grades up, before being removed from the team. That means the academic problems would have been present in at least the spring semester of 2009. Based on my experience, I would guess that his grades didn’t cut it this past Spring, he was on probation Fall semester, still didn’t pass muster, and was therefore removed from the team.
I have also heard that he is still enrolled in the University. He is apparently an Anthropology major, and Anthro majors are required to do a thesis. I know of at least one person (who was not an athlete) who had to quit his part-time job to get his Anthro thesis done. Perhaps he was not progressing on his thesis as required, as basketball was getting in the way?
Also, I will confirm something another poster said. UVA has higher academic requirements for student athletes than the NCAA requires. I do not know the exact numbers, but for the sake of argument let’s say the NCAA requires a 2.0 GPA; UVA would require something like a 2.2. Just an interesting tidbit.
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2202263&id=31112552#/album.php?page=1&aid=2202263&id=31112552
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=5235&id=522713449#/album.php?page=1&aid=5235&id=522713449
I don’t have flicker but these will be up for at least two minutes after posting if anyone want to see them. The first is a friends account, second is Morgans be sure to read the comments in the second.
Hey Suz, yeah, the whole idea of Morgan falling onto (or being put on) a train does seem far-fetched, especially since her body hasn’t yet turned up. But say a group of skanks calls out to her from one of the bank parking lots…maybe the one to the right, next to the chinese restaurant (Dragon Lady)…she’s looking a little carefree, drunk, and she’s not thinking “safety” like she normally would be. Maybe she hangs out with their “party” for a while until she blacks out (or accidentally ODs on something she may not have known was in her drink)…they freak, or just don’t care since they’re not even from here and no one will see them again…and they put her on the flat bed of one of the slow moving train cars. She rolls on, they cross the tracks and fling her pocketbook into the RV lot…lot is empty at this point as most of the athletes have left. Morgan rolls on until the train picks up speed or takes a hard turn, then her body is flung into the weeds, hidden from everyone except maybe an eagle-eyed conductor. This could be anywhere from Ivy to Crozet, over the mountain to Waynesboro or Staunton. Maybe she was on a train that took a turn toward Lynchburg…the tracks take a left at Morgantown Road in Ivy, or they can go straight toward Crozet.
On re-read this does sound really crazy. But I’m not sure I buy that she’s going from Sheetz to Sheetz on Route 29, either. If she’s held against her will, she’s drugged and in a basement. And if she’s gone on her own, wouldn’t we all think she’d be in New York, San Francisco, or somewhere cool and far away? I don’t think she’d leave her family without even contacting her brother, if even just to let her mom and dad know she’s OK. But it’s all still possible, really.
So I did run into Barrack’s Road with my youngest…had some Christmas money burning a hole in his pocket. We only hit two stores, but I did not see any posters of Morgan. I’ll see what I can do to get some printed and out there.
I think a lot of what LE said today was significant but in my opinion what they didn`t say is just as significant.
Ms Harrington was drinking, no big deal, most guessed as much.
She was acting irrationally (towards her friends or in HH?).
Didn`t willingly consume drugs.
Insist that she was indeed on the bridge HH. (which would suggest more than 1 eyewitness).
Her friends are not involved in her disappearance. (concert-going friends?)
They haven`t said the BB players are not involved in Ms Harrington`s disappearance. This is significant IMO, the last known persons to interact with Ms Harrington are still under the umbrella of suspicion. Bet your bottom dollar she asked them for a ride someplace.
I think one of them pulled up on that bridge.
Comment by fish — December 30, 2009 @ 2:14 pm:
[also, could the guy in the burgundy shirt (i think that is who people call the “paver guy”, be taking the photo of the group on the sofa. look at it closer…he could be holding the camera, thus the weird angle he is at. also, looks as if, it is directed at Morgan and he pops in to shoot the photo? if Morgan called or texted someone to come and pick her up. he has address listed in hburg. just a thought.]
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Fish, it looks to me as though he is the one taking the photo.
Your last sentence crossed my mind as well.
I just watched the video on wdbj7.com from today’s press conference on Morgan Harrington. I noticed that when Lieutenant Joe Rader announced that they had no person of interest at this time, he looked straight into the camera with a gaze that belied his statement. Hopefully, they DO have a person of interest and are keeping very close tabs on him/her. Please, please let Morgan be found soon.
OR my hazy recollection about the train could be from today’s news story (gawd):
snip
Rader says Harrington had been consuming alcohol the night she disappeared. He still believes Harrington disappeared between 9:20 and 9:30 p.m. October 17th. Rader says Harrington likely got into a car with someone, either on her own or against her will.
He says that leads are being followed up on every day, including theories that Harrington may have been thrown in a train boxcar under Charlottesville’s Copeley Bridge.
[I appreciate you posting this Clementine, as I am at Blinkfest with the Blinkettes embattled in a samurai challenge and a 1200 piece Lego project intermittedly. This is important information, thank you.
B]
You’re welcome, Blink. And save some of those Legos for us.
We may need them to construct some new thinking goblets…
True dat, Y’all.
Thinking Goblet is a keeper, props to J2K
B
luvblink,
Facebook accounts non-accessible what did the comments say?
#1148 Suz, BlackPearl, Geeglouise. I think it is very possible that Paver is the photographer. Instead of craning his neck to get in the shot, it looks like he may also be holding a camera at arms length. Either that or someone popped the flash right up in his face.
That is so funny. I remember talking about a guy on here that says he saw Morgan standing in the beer line. IIRC wasn’t it WT? Did she take a theory from here and turn in a tip to LE?
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Spoken to psychics and BLEW them off…
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I will land in the soup again or be in a mess of conflict in this forum.
When gossip mongerers fron BLINK print unsubstantiated rumors and others accept that as truth….I should just not post here anything of substance.
I do have something of substance. I did turn in a police TIP about it weeks ago. Why? To get my name spread about or make myself important? Hardly. I gave police TIP on a POI who has a criminal record, posted strange pleadings on internet about a girl….right after Morgan went missing. I know because I dogged his postings after his initial contacts with me.
He attended the concert, stood in the beer area when Mogan was there, admits he saw her. What about the strange postings on a site about a girl a few days after she went missing? He contacted me and said he HAD to talk to me. Then he drove 200 miles to my city for that purpose the next week. No, I made sure I was unavailable. Would I make up such a story? I have personal data about this person.
A co-defendant from one of his 2008 criminal cases lives in Roanoke. How do I know? A background record was obtained and there is much more I know about this person including the fact he has changed much of his information on social networks since this event. I do not care to put all info here but he reads the forums.
Police blew me off when I tried to tell them about this TIP before I could enumerate all the ways this guy is significant to talk to by LE. Dr. Harrington failed to return the email I sent to him about this POI and blew me off as well. I discussed this with another whose advise I trust. To post it here or not? I was advised NOT to post this as I may bring ridicule on myself (been there already), and put myself at risk.
He is an admitted Satanist. Now he claims to be a Wiccaan. His website has serial killers on it. Now he changes posted information and personality. Hello!! Does this person sound interesting to you? If you or LE read his posts and put it together with the other things, do you think it is worth to find out more? So do I.
I have the information including very personal data. Am I seeking a reward? Hell no. I am afraid young women disappear there.
Hello Blink,
I’ve not posted here before but have followed all MH related sites closely since the beginning of the investigation. With the info released today, one of my initial and sustained suspicions seems now credible: that the perp was a concert-goer who spotted Morgan online, prior to the concert, and made prey of her the night of the concert – either alone or together with a group of fellow sinister individuals.
This idea is not entirely original. Early on in the case a poster somewhere (I believe it was here) referenced the metallicabb.com site and questioned whether or not one of the posters may have been Morgan. After reading this, I visited the site and noticed some rather conspicuously aggressive posts by some of the posters – both leading up to, and after, the concert night. Odd thing is, when I go back to the site in disbelief that no one else noticed and to convince myself that the tone of the posts were indeed suspicious, either I cannot find the thread or the posts have been deleted. Did anyone else visit metallicabb.com early on in the investigation, and if so, did you notice anything suspicious in the postings relating to the October 17th concert? I regret that I have no link to reference, but maybe someone has a screenshot that can confirm this?
My suspicions were raised by the latest info released by LE today stating they have searched for leads at other Metallica concerts. I’m wondering if there was a group of people involved in the chain of events that night which led to Morgan’s disappearance. As others have asked before, how could one girl be so unlucky that night? Additionally, a recent posting on the metallicabb.com site has piqued my suspicions. I can’t explain why or how, but if you read this post, you may see what I mean: http://www.metallicabb.com. /index.php?showtopic=126191.
belleboyd and luvblink, thanks for trying but back to private it seems
Ok, so going on with what LE stated:
1) Morgan was drinking. Really quite common among concert goers of that age.
2) Morgan may have either been slipped a drug against her knowledge or suffered a head injury as she was acting irrationally and not herself (had to be a combo of info from friends and witnesses)
3) She either willing or not got into a car on the Copley Bridge but are also exploring that she got tossed (over the bridge?) into a boxcar (bet this is based on a combo between witnesses and the dogs).
4) They believe it was another concert goer
5) The answer lies in Charlottesville
So, from this, I have come up with:
Someone Morgan knew from Charlottesville at the concert. She left her friends to go meet up wwith this person. He slips her something. They get into an argument. Upset, she goes to the bathroom, at some point trips either due to the alcohol or the drugs have started to take effect, she then needs air/space and goes outside, once outside, confused, drunk, drugged she tries to get back in, can’t, wonders the parking lot, seen dropping her purse, dropped it a final time and by now if very seriously impaired, wonders up to the bridge, seen on both sides. By now, who gave her the drug has come looking for her, now realizing she left the concert (thus LE looking for someone acting odd at the concert), sees her on the bridge, forces her in to the vehicle though due to the serious impairement, there is not much of a struggle, and who knows what…
Based on LE’s press release today and prior witness accounts, this is the best theory I can come up with. Thoughts anyone?
And, yes, noticeably the BB players completely left out. Things that make you go hmmmm. Still believed unreleased info obtained from the BB players that will eventually be key.
Yep.
B
Again, I know this theory is nothing new and that to further the case we need to know what happened after 9:30 that night. But this evidence, if it does exist as I remember it, may help narrow in on the potential perp(s). This theory strongly suggest pre-meditation and involvement of more than one people. I doubt her friends were involved (with the possible exception of Dan C – who could have held her keys on purpose) because the perps initial goal was likely to separate her from her friends, by luring her to the bathroom to possibly drug her and then somehow lure her outside the arena where she would be stuck due to the no re-entry policy (a policy they would know about from discussions on the metallicabb.com site). What the motives and intentions were after that I have no idea, I can’t imagine. However, suppose the sightings of Morgan outside the concert were reported by the very group that led her out?
I like, I like…..I’ll bet your bottom dollar too.
Last confirmed contact with Morgan was with the BB players. Now, they are considered witnesses…..even though they had the last confirmed contact with Morgan.
Also, because we hve more than one corraborating witness to back up the hitchhiking story. We have 3 BB players! Does that make the HH theory legit! I guess so.
Comment by Liam Fahy — December 30, 2009 @ 8:45 pm
I think a lot of what LE said today was significant but in my opinion what they didn`t say is just as significant.
Ms Harrington was drinking, no big deal, most guessed as much.
She was acting irrationally (towards her friends or in HH?).
Didn`t willingly consume drugs.
Insist that she was indeed on the bridge HH. (which would suggest more than 1 eyewitness).
Her friends are not involved in her disappearance. (concert-going friends?)
They haven`t said the BB players are not involved in Ms Harrington`s disappearance. This is significant IMO, the last known persons to interact with Ms Harrington are still under the umbrella of suspicion. Bet your bottom dollar she asked them for a ride someplace.
I think one of them pulled up on that bridge.
Although I’m not denying binge-drinking as a possibility, it just doesn’t make sense to me. So… she kissed her friend goodbye and went to the bathroom to guzzle a pint of vodka before taking off for her much-anticipated event? I just can’t picture that. Normal-paced drinking is believable and maybe she did get carried away. But witnesses said she seemed fine before the concert and during LOG, right? Something changed in that small gap of time after she left. Still think drugs were a factor, sorry. Okay, letting it go now.
6) Harrington was either abducted or willingly got into a car on the Copeley Road bridge where she had been spotted hitchhiking.
I’m confused about this one. How does LE know for certain she got in a car? Do they have a witness? If so, wouldn’t the witness be able to tell if she got in willingly or was forced in?
mag603,and word girl, yea sorry if my post was “short” as in i didnt mean it sound like i was being “short with someone” .thank you word girl,that is what i meant. mag : i’m not getting the burned part,but no, i wasnt suggesting it . i myself was once an immature 23 year old ,(not a drug addict)and in some of my experierences in hollywood and with prop 36,and 12 step stories(i’m one of the few who love all the 12step stories) i myself was surprised to find that druggies from all walks of life(in la they do come from ALL walks of life)do have a huge respect for the spirit of life and right and wrong regarding respecting humanity ,regardless of drug choice,and i have seen repeatedly people put someone elses life a priority before a drug bust(i’ve seen it brazenly not even be a consideration,to my immature surprise).and i just wanted to share that with any youngers reading here,in regards to someone od’ing. it has been said here before, but not in the regard that some of the most poverty striken communities have the highest religious sentiment.and these are very decent kids ,they cant have, throw away ,disregard ,for life. and also because i was(and still am) very very hurt that these kids would make a joke of morgan hitch hiking,but i’m getting over it.the police release today helped,i was getting a little too close and frustrated.(and i am the type to say goodbye 15 times before i actually leave) but enough abut me. i wish every wooded area could be gridded and assigned a search team,once the snow melts. the hottest guy i ever met was a search and rescue diver for the navy.i’m kicking myself i let him let me get away. Salisbury co. had every resident search their properties and put a red ribbon out so they knew what had been searched and what had not ,i luv off the norm stuff like that.i wanted those nfl football players off the coast of florida(whose boat overturned) found so bad i could taste the saltwater.
Curious,
Thank you for sharing your story of your friend Dane with all of us posters here. Your story was very touching, and be assured, that it has not gone unnoticed by any one of us reading this thread.
Following are some comments by Lt. Rader at today’s press conference.
http://www.wdbj7.com/ (apologies for the repeat if someone already posted them during moderation!)
“We feel fairly confident that Morgan Harrington got into a car between Copeley Road bridge and Ivey Road.”
“Is it possible she was abducted? Yes. Is it probable that she was abducted? Very. I think it is very probable.”
“We have absolutely no reason to believe that she had planned to meet anyone, preplanned, and that this was all a planned event.”
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No need to read between the lines in his words. A random crime of opportunity could be very likely.
After reading about Curious’s friend Dane Williams I see how it’s possible someone may have preyed upon Morgan in a similar way. I feel a tremendous sadness for Dane’s family and for Morgan’s for the pain that might lie ahead.
Not to get off topic, but it is my belief that Dane was targeted, and was not random. Unless someone can tell me how she gets outside that arena, I do not believe Morgan’s was either.
B
Morgan didn’t have a spare set of car keys with her (or kept on/in the car – - inside if she had keyless entry), did she? Asking because of the driving distances and frequencies between school, her home, and social outings. Seems like a natural “emergency” thing to have a spare set of keys.
Interesting theory, Andrew.
What do you make of LE attending and searching at other Metallica concerts?
Thanks.
clementine: just got back in from cville with kids and hubby for dinner. 54 mins. door to door. plenty of time for someone to be called in for a ride back to hburg. not familiar with other routes south as in roanoke but i do know one thing, now! 64 is the quickest way from hburg to cville. 64 would be my guess if Morgan left in someone’s car!
i thought of what the Harrington’s must be going through. i know that feeling of dispair. i made my family say a prayer for them. a good deal for young kids to take in but i feel it is important for them to learn. they have been with Morgan, the Harringtons and me since i learned of her. my daughter and son pray she is found. my daughter gazed out the window and wondered outloud “where is she, momma?” that is when we said a prayer. go figure…a young girl, new to virginia, praying for one she never met or heard of before i volunteered to search. i think about Gil’s statement about giving your kids wings and cannot help that i am clipping my own kids? time will tell.
may God be with Morgan and her family.
Please, please don’t shoot the messenger — I was reading findmorgan and psychic Ms. Claudette posted that she gave a tip to LE in the beginning — now, before we flame her, she did internet and other research on this fella, she claims — a background check — she has a POI who contacted her w/in days of Morgan going missing; said he had something he had to discuss w/ her, drove down to the beach, but she declined to meet w/ him; according to her, he has a past criminal record, and his co-deft in a 2008 trial lives in Roanoke; claims he was at the concert and stated publically he saw Morgan while he was waiting in a beer line —
we have advanced every possible theory, w/ the possible exception of Morgan being beamed up into the mother ship by aliens — this is beyond my ability to research — it’s under the category of 4 went to concert 2 came back — near the end of the comments — but what does concern me, she states LE never got back in touch w/ her — and I haven’t heard from a soul on my underaged drinking report —
when did paver guy go to court ? I thought on some post somewhere he had been charged in the past ???
also there was a post on FB from someone who claimed prior knowledge of the missing camera as it was one of the objects they had asked them to keep an eye out for during the public search —
I fear I may be going a little bit insane myself — like that song: I’m not crazy, I’m just a little unwell — I find myself talking to Morgan throughout the day when I see a picture of her sweet face — I ask her: where are you ? They just showed a blip of the news conference on our local news and had her pix up on the screen — and I asked her again: Morgan, where are you ?
I don’t know how the person who knows of her ultimate fate is keeping it together.
Sweet dreams, all — best wishes for a peaceful new year to you all —
Sky, w/ a heavy heart : (
PS: Chad, thanks for posting the full lyrics to that song — it’s hauntingly beautiful, isn’t it ?
I remember going to a Grateful Dead show when I was in college. We got there early to drink in the parking lot outside the stadium. While we were there we were offered a hit of acid and being young and dumb we each bought a hit. This is the first and only time I dropped acid.
Lets just say nothing happened to my friends and I was cuckoo-bananas. My mind was the only one altered — my 2 friends were not affected. Some what funny now (20 yrs later) — but at one point during the concert I actually thought I was being splashed by dolphins. I was to put it mildly insane.
All I have to say is thank God for my friends. I know I had to be the biggest pain to deal with — but thankfully they watched over and made sure I got home.
I can honestly say that if I was left on my own in the state I was in — I would not have made it home on my own.
Just thought i’d share…..
As it should be, thanks for sharing that.
B
I’ve watched this case pretty closely since I heard about it. I forgot how, I believe I was researching the Smiley Face Killers (I know, I know.) and was linked to it. SFK interests me because nothing makes sense in those cases, and I’m a prime candidate, apparently.
Having grown up in VA and being MHs general age, albeit male, but quite the partier it strikes a chord – I also had probably half of my high school class go to UVA and VA-tech (we call it “vah tech”). That Rader interview really struck me as they have a significant POI, and are hoping someone near s(he) will draw them out. The line about if you have an extrovert turned introvert, drinking, shying away from the case. At least, I really hope that’s the situation and they’re not just cold-cased.
Those Halloween party pictures would have never been like that if my group of friends had lost someone, and we’re all guys who aren’t supposed to have feelings. I can’t even imagine how my girlfriends friends would react. We’re (guys) typically much better at getting over traumatic experiences than the women-folk, or at least shutting them away. Society, eh? I’d wager my girlfriend and her friends wouldn’t leave the house except for necessities for months. Not to mention a general fear of THEMSELVES being abducted or going missing.
This case is just strange, and I suppose that is the other thing that really piques my interest. So many loose ends. Things don’t fit. I don’t like that it just doesn’t make sense, at least that which we’ve been lead to believe.
I’m hoping for the best with Morgan. Keep those who you care for close.
Y’all see this yet?
http://www.c-ville.com/index.php?cat=1991704080566501&act=post&pid=12033012091067425
ooops. old news! sorry!
Re: 1159-60 & 1164 I posted the links to the photos and comments earlier in the week. (Post #862) Maybe my links were bad. I still can’t figure out how I was able to see as much as I did and that they stayed up for so long. And the way I figured it out, well…it wasn’t that hard. I’m guessing that during the privacy update they got reset to the “everyone” default setting and then I just went from there. (love how Facebook alerted everyone to check their album settings) I have them archived (which I feel really weird about). I just don’t know how appropriate it is to post them at this point. I don’t want to disrespect her or her family. Blink?
I did not post what you asked me not to, is it on here somewhere else now, are you asking me to?
B
2 more things…
I read through paver guy’s facebook posts. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe he ever mentioned that he knew Morgan. And his comments never implied that he knew her either. Why not?
And finally, last night I was reading a thread started by Charles Walton on the Find Morgan Facebook page. There was talk of a new theory that was posted a couple of days ago that was passed on to LE. This new lead/theory was supposedly new to LE and they were going to follow up on it. Did anyone catch the gist of it?
Thinking Goblets are good.
But I dare say we all also need a Sorting Hat to sort through the multiple theories of just what has happened to our dear Morgan, each of which I seem to favor on alternate hours of different days, or different hours of alternate days or maybe all at once on the same day!
I am at the point where I think I could successfully argue anything or nothing, all at once. I guess that means I should just sit back and read for the foreseeable future or at least an hour or probably just go to bed and try again tomorrow.
I used to think this was a pretty good website, blink!
But I’m never going to personally get in touch with you again, because this message right here spells out what’s bothering me about you, blink!
(If there are any other posts on here with my name (Nelson Kane) on them, these are from imposters, not from me. For example, post number 142 on this website was not from me!)
I’ve asked you to remove all posts and the article on here about me, when I sent you the request on Facebook, and you ignored it. So there’s nothing else for me to say.
You kept the material up, so that people can keep seeing the information every day, over and over, and keep making comments about me.
By keeping my photos on here, and keeping the “article” up about me, along with your comments that are slanted against me, for people to repeatedly negatively comment on against me,
you are cyberstalking me, Nelson Kane:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberstalking
“Cyberstalking is the use of the Internet or other electronic means to stalk someone.
It has been defined as the use of information and communications technology, particularly the Internet, by an individual, to harass another individual. The behavior includes false accusations and gathering information for harassment purposes. The harassment must be such that a reasonable person, in possession of the same information, would regard it as sufficient to cause another reasonable person distress.
Stalking is a continuous process (such as your comments against me on various days on the blog), consisting of a series of actions, each of which may be entirely legal in itself
False accusations. Many cyberstalkers try to damage the reputation of their victim and turn other people against them.
Cyberstalkers target their victims by using search engines, online forums, bulletin and discussion boards.”
Nelson Kane
You are kidding, right? Trust me when I tell you, there is no cyberstalking going on, but if you feel differently, you absolutely should follow up with the authorities.
I have been a victim of cyberstalking, and as a result have become somewhat of a subject matter expert, sadly.
You are welcome to post on here as long as you stay on topic and are respectful of others.
You are most definitely NOT WELCOME to attempt to contact me personally at anytime for any reason; That conduct is unwelcome by me.
B
I went to the UVa Basketball game last night vs UAB (great game, if there’s any worries with that team it wasn’t showing on the court.) This is the 2nd or 3rd event I’ve attended at the arena since Morgan’s disappearance, and something I have tried to pay attention to has been security. Last night, because there’s still considerable snow along the side of the road, fewer parking lot entrances were open, but each entrance had at least one police car with flashing blue lights and 2 or 3 officers (vests clearly marked with the words POLICE, so I don’t believe they are merely security people hired for the occasion.) We came in on Massie Road, so no chance to observe the Lannigan (RV lot.) We could see across the U-hall parking lot, flashing blue lights of police cars that last night and on the night of October 17th, would have been only yards from the RV lot. Despite what has been reported as secluded, from my observations previously, the RV lot is clearly visible from Copeley Road. Also, the lot is very close to the Copeley Road bridge. Leaving that lot on foot, one could probably reach the bridge in a space of 2 minutes, maybe less. Now, back to security, last night there was little if any checking of bags entering the arena. This was different from what I have experienced at concerts. Maybe a difference in the type of event. While there was little checking for hidden items, each ticket check area had a security person, either in a blue sweater with a white shirt and khakis or a blue vest and a person scanning tickets, also dressed in the same style. Going to the bathroom, I noticed that the entrance it’s generally felt Morgan could have left by, what’s referred to as the student entrance leading most directly to Massie Road, was manned at all times by 3 security personnel and a uniformed officer. More security personnel are visible at the main entrances. My point being, if Morgan left the arena on her own through a regular entrance/exit, it could not have possibly been a mistake unless she was very seriously impaired. Are there service doors for vendors, etc? Maybe, but if so, they are not clearly visible. Was she ejected? That, we still do not know. Once she was in the parking lots, she would have been only yards at anytime from assistance had she screamed or tried to run away from an attacker. If she was indeed seen on Copeley bridge or beyond, closer to Ivy Road, she would have left the perimeter of security and would have been at the mercy of anyone bent on evil. That is the reason I believe, and have always believed, that if she left in a vehicle from the parking areas, she was already so badly impaired that she could not resist, or she entered a vehicle willingly. From that point on, we have no way of knowing what happened. The camera could very well be the answer, but it is my guess that even if the camera still exists, the memory card has been destroyed if the person responsible for the disappearance thinks he/she appeared on that card.
Morning MsL, I got in the game traffic by mistake last night when leaving Barrack’s Road. I always go over the bridge to get to Ivy Road to go out 250. I again thought the same thing…there is always so much security around the arena, so many lights, right on over to the bridge. There is always a police car with one or two policemen at that first entrance to the U-Hall parking lot, right across from the Lannigan RV lot. Lights there, too. But only street lights once you get up on the bridge. And so many people around all the doors of the arena, security, ushers, etc. I have not been to a Metallica concert, but the folks who work the games, DMB concerts, James Taylor, those kinds of concerts, are all very nice. Maybe Morgan got beligerant with the female security guard (was this encounter verified?) when told that once she’s out, she’s out.
I also still think she must either been so impaired, or on some mission, to go to the bridge for a ride. Or to hitch-hike. I just can’t figure. Ohiomom, at this point I’m also so stumped that I don’t know what to think anymore. It’s hard to know how and where to help.
I just want to clarify what I meant above about “so badly impaired.” I’m in no way placing any degree of blame on Morgan even if she was drunk or stoned out of her mind. By using the words badly impaired, I was also including the possibility that she was quickly disabled before she could react, maybe by a blow to the head, or even at knife or gun point. My gut feeling is that she felt she could trust the wrong person and if there was any violence, it occurred away from the parking lots. I’m also open to the theory that there was an accident and someone feared that he/she would be held responsible and made a life changing decision to hide the incident. I doubt this theory even though it’s a possibility because it would seem that someone in a panic situation would not have covered his/her tracks so well. I am really surprised that LE has even considered the possibility of a train accident or the intentional use of a train car, but guess they do not want to overlook any possibility. I also find it very interesting that they have surveyed other Metallica concerts. This would seem to indicate that there might be some thought that maybe someone with a connection to the band was involved, or a person who follows such concerts took advantage of an opportunity, a young woman, possibly impaired, alone and might try to take advantage of a similar situation again at a different venue.
Good morning all. Have a Safe and Happy New Year!
Curuios had posted above and shared a story of her friend Dane Williams. Curious had also mentioned that Morgans dissappearance may be similar to Dane’s. Blink had mentioned in her response that she was very familair with that case. I did a little research and found this article. Terrible sad.
In light of what Lt Radar spoke of yesterday at the news conference, stating that Morgan may have been drugged,so I looked up Dane Williams case. I apologize in advance of the very sad ending of Dane Williams case, but I thought it might be worth while to share his story here.
Thanks for sharing Curious, and my thoughts are with you, and Danes family. Praying for Morgan and the Harringtons.
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Suspect-Arrested-in-Dane-Williams-Case-59343592.html
Good points Skyler, and Luvblink.
In reference to my post above, could it be possible that Morgan may have asked someone for Tylenol or aspirin because she was injured, and that she was slipped something else that could have made her even more disoriented/impaired and that’s how she ended up outside the arena? Then she met up with foul play?