Morgan Harrington Case: Virginia State Police On New Search
Charlottesville, VA– Virginia State Police are searching an area of route 64, between mile markers 112 and 114 today in their efforts to locate missing VT student, Morgan Harrington.
Located approximately 4 miles west of Charlottesville, VA, the stretch of highway leads up to an early area of interest, Crozet, VA.
VSP PR Manager, Connie Geller says the area is not being searched based on any new tip.
Check back to blinkoncrime.com for this developing story.
Update #1. Jim Hanchett, Newsplex, reports the search has ended for this area today, and is awaiting any news of other possible search areas.
Related Posts
Related Posts:
1,856 Comments
RSS feed for comments on this post. TrackBack URI
Skylar-
I too find myself speaking to Morgan: “where are you?”, “what happened to you?”. I’m fairly certain we are not alone in this. Having a daughter so near her age and attending JMU just makes this case impossible for me to ignore.
I am sitting here thinking. If Morgan was seriously impared. Enough to leave the concert then are we to believe she strolled over to the BB players, had a little chat and then proceeded to the bridge?
I donno.
This was not a deserted island she was on. This was an arena and parking lot with thousands of people, cars, buses.
And we are to believe this seriously impared young, beautiful woman fell and stumbled all over the place and not one security or police assisted her? If that is so I am never leaving my home again.
Personally I think Radar said a whole lot of nothing. We are watching LE and from what was said I think they “got nothing”.
Then again they might “got something” and just don’t know it yet.
poligies in advance if I seem too harsh — I woke up in a bad mood over this case, and things have not improved much in the past five hrs.
The old Beatles song “Lies” has been swimming thru my dreams most of the night — and that’s what we’ve been given, I feel, from everyone — lies and betrayal —
Going purely from the VSP statement yesterday, it confirms what we’ve all long suspected, Morgan consumed alcohol — how’d she get it ? Who gave it to her ? — VSP statement “implies” due to her alcohol ingestion she was “impaired” ergo, not thinking straight and making bad decisions.
I know lots of people not just here but on other boards, as well, want to forgive the “acquaintances” for being young — but they’re liars — and I hope they’ve each “lawyered up” for their own hides —
Irrespective of whether we’ve all done it before, the law in Va. is clear, it is illegal for persons under age 21 to purchase and/or consume alcohol. It is further illegal for persons, irrespective of how they acquire it, whether thru purchase or as a “gift” — to supply persons under age 21 w/ alcohol. Morgan was 20. There are reasons for these laws. I have seen, and I’m sure RNMom, as well, every possible injury of young people as a result of alcohol consumption. People diving into the shallow ends of pools, quads for life — car accidents, boating accidents, skiing accidents, deaths, permanent injuries, facial disfigurations, which are just as difficult as the others to come to terms w/. I’m not 20 by any means, yet I can still be high maintenance at times. (The only difference now is, nobody cares but me — : )
I feel misled by the Harringtons — they ask for our help, we become engrossed in this child’s fate, truly, deeply caring for them, for Morgan, only to learn later they may have purposely w/held some info and “perhaps” instructed the “acquaintances” to keep quiet. I don’t fault them for that. Honestly. but it doesn’t change the fact that I feel misled by them.
I feel misled by LE. Early on, the statement was made there were no videos of Morgan at JPJ because JPJ doesn’t have security cameras. Now they’re saying they’re everywhere. LE can legitamately state “no comment” to any question. Now all this back and forth makes them appear as baffoons — and they are not.
Honestly, I’m not being “preachy” or hauty about this. To my horror, my son bragged his senior year in high school that the dad at a bon fire these boys have in the backyard gave the boys beer. I was furious — at the parent and at him — he just thought I was insane. “Well, we were safe. Nobody drove.”
So where does this leave the supplier of the alcohol — I know Morgan made her own decision to consume it, but that’s irrelevant; someone purchased alcohol which ultimately landed in Morgan’s hand, she consumed it and it caused her to be impaired, and VSP feels this may have caused her to make poor choices, which has led to her demise.
If the worst case scenario plays out, and Morgan is found deceased, then the person who supplied her the alcohol is culpable if she was indeed — excuse me — murdered — and I wonder who will be laughing and partying then.
And that is why I’m so upset about whomever is supplying these kids who are underaged w/ alcohol. Morgan didn’t have to “vanish” for this to be a tragedy. She could have just as likely tripped while walking out in front of traffic and been run over and killed. Shoot five more minutes, I might have even run over her — it was dark and drizzly by the time I arrived back in that area — I had my w/s wipers on and the w/shield was smeary — I was lost and honestly looking around —
I hope that whomever was w/ Morgan at her demise, or if she is alive, knows where she is, will get an attorney and turn themselves in. It is the only way this will ever play out in their favor. If she is deceased, maybe it was an accident related to alcohol poisoning. Eventually this case is going to be resolved — even if that is 20 years down the road. There is no statute of limitations on murder. Va. juries are unsympathetic to anyone who conceals information and will convict, irrespective of age. If the prosecutors prove their case and ask for the death penalty, Va. juries have no hesitation to assign the death penalty as punishment. We now have a Republican governor. Our liberal Democratic governors did not overturn the death penalty. Republicans absolutely will not.
If you are reading this board, and you know what happened to Morgan, get a lawyer, ask one to be appointed for you, turn yourself in. Va. LE has dedicated a lot of man hrs and resources in this case. They are closer than their statements reflect. It is time for the lies to stop — and silence is just as much a lie — and for Morgan to be brought home. Until you make that decision to do the right thing and turn yourself in, don’t sleep — don’t relax — be nervous — don’t use your phone — your computer — the car following you a little too closely is not a random driver — they are watching you. If you don’t do it for Morgan, do it for yourself, before it’s too late.
PS: Chad, I meant to reply the other day and just forgot, to be honest. I wish you had been riding w/ me that night — maybe I wouldn’t have been so lost.
As for the rest of you, every single one of you, I wish we were all together in one place right now — I think we need a group hug. I just feel awful : (
Re: #1182
What do you make of LE attending and searching at other Metallica concerts?
I think LE is covering their bases, also thinking along those same lines. Has LE canvassed the other bands on the bill? What kind of following does LOG or the other act attract?
My suspicions still lie with the underbelly that follows these acts around – parking lot (unauthorized) vendors, dope dealers, scalpers and others that are part of the scene – ever present but not necessarily inside the show. Generally these are people who stay off the radar. They are the equivalent of “carnies”. Most that I’ve known have no visible means, no job etc.. This travelling sideshow is their livelihood. The dealers especially come off as your “friend with weed..”
My experience is also that these types don’t identify with solely one act or tour. You will find the same characters at Bonaroo, DMB, Phish, Dead, Metallica….It seems Morgan was into the music “scene”, her identity was wrapped up in it. I would not be at all surprised to find that there were characters at this show that she encountered at others – ,my point being that for the underbelly, “musical genre” has little to do with it.
I don’t assume to know what arrangements JPJ or Metallica had for general labor for this event. UVA has a large talent pool available in its student population staffed through student employment or the equivalent. I don’t see likely that any of those kids would leave the event as it would be a one-off free concert for them. I’d rule that group out if that is in-fact where JPJ staffed for general labor.
Here on the west coast these are staffed out of the union halls, generally.
Old joke: “where do the dirtbags go when the tour is over? Santa Cruz.”
On the surface, Elizabeth (#1202), you’re right. But I agree with others that zero mention of the BB players actually *is* saying something, and if that was simply an oversight, we should expect UVa to correct it ASAP. I await their reaction and will consider a nonreaction interesting.
I point no fingers at the players in terms of being perps; I believe at the very least that they hold the most relevant/timely information regarding her condition and intent. It’s clear now that the poor girl was totally messed up, from whatever cause. The BB players couldn’t have missed that, and we cannot forget that they did not come forward with information on their own (whether out of fear of incrimination, bad press, instrux from their brand-spanking-new coach, whatever).
I am getting more and more on board with the idea that someone put something in her drink. Back in the day, I had an experience similar to what an earlier poster wrote about (I don’t remember who, and I am too lazy to go back and look).
I was out with some friends, in a bar we frequented, and some guy brought me a drink. I drank it. I know, I know. Anyway, two other guys immediately came over from the bar and told my friends, “get your friend away from him, and get her out of here now”. I very quickly went from being completely fine to totally incoherent after drinking that drink. My friends got mad at me – they thought I had gotten that drunk. I had only had two drinks all evening, though, from the time we went out to dinner until about midnight, and I had a high tolerance. This was not drunk. My friends did get me away from him and home safely. I woke up about 16 hours later, and when I first woke up I could not move and had some other after-effects. It took my friends and I a couple of days to figure out what had happened.
What we now know of Morgan’s behavior at the Metallica concert sounds very similar to my behavior that night. She was drinking, and very quickly went from seemingly fine to incoherent and irrational. I really think this could have happened to Morgan. The question then becomes, who? And, is the person who put something in her drink necessarily the same person who grabbed her? I think probably yes, but I don’t think we can totally rule out that maybe someone put something in her drink as a joke, and then someone else saw an attractive, extremely impaired girl and seized the opportunity.
I thank God I had good friends who were willing to look out for me that night, even though they were mad at me. I also thank God for those two random guys in the bar, who I had never seen before and never saw again. It is a shame that Morgan did/does not have such good friends. You never leave a man behind.
I guess I was assuming LE was looking at other metallica concerts because 1) people have said they have seen girls who looked like her there and 2) they think she possibly decided to follow them around on tour, like dead heads do. But I guess the latter makes no sense since she didn’t even see them at the Cville show.
Does anyone think it possible that one or more of the BBall players may have admitted to spending the night with Morgan, but saying goodbye in the morning and that was it?
Could one or more of them have picked her up on the bridge while leaving?
Could he or they be the target of an investigation as we speak?
Is it possible to know Jamil’s academic record for his previous three years at UVA?
I don’t believe that the University would lie about his actual grades, but what might have been conveniently overlooked for the past three years may have become a perfect excuse to remove themselves from him.
Just some out loud thoughts. No need for anyone to vehemently defend UVA basketball, I fully realize that they may be completely blame free and it is not my intention to malign.
I wish we could come up with an acronym for that sentiment in the interest of brevity. How about NNTDBBP ? ( no need to defend basketball players )
There are many well respected UVA alumni here. I respect the academic standards, but the explanation of Tucker’s does not even match their own program. Their is an entire division dedicated to student athletes which touts a success rate of 94% graduation. I have stated before, personal reasons is different than academic probation.
I will change my opinion if anyone can provide information showing me JT was in fact, placed on academic probation.
B
I agree with Ohiomom who wrote that at this point she could believe anything or nothing.
From the most recent LE press conference I think that the BB players haven’t been ruled out as suspects. Or perhaps they are being protected because of what they witnessed (?). I can’t quite wrap my head around how Tucker, who is a senior, made it through three years of college already without failing out. If he was dismissed from the team for academic reasons, then why did he take a leave of absence for personal reasons shortly before being dismissed? I’m interested in beginning to learn more about the basketball players—Tucker—and apparently all of the others since LE hasn’t revealed which players witnessed Morgan that night. If we review the timing of events, is it possible that Tucker’s personal problems began prior to October 17th? Could he have an illness in the family? I don’t understand how, if his grades were poor enough to warrant his dismissal from the basketball team, that UVA still expects him to graduate this spring…wth?
Also based on the LE press conference as well as the post about Dane I am very, very interested in looking into the possibility that Morgan was given a date rape drug. This could have been given to her by a stranger or by someone she knew and perhaps trusted. It could have been a cooperative effort by multiple predators or could be an individual acting alone, as in Dane’s case. I think that they could have followed her movements as the drug began to take its effect. I imagine that a drug could have been slipped into her drink, or… given our recent discussion about ecstasy and other drug use…if someone could have given her a date rape drug that appeared to be ecstasy or some other drug she was familiar with and comfortable with taking. The friends could hold answers to this information—did any of them take any drugs or plan to take them that night; did they consume beer at the concert; who bought the alcohol consumed by Morgan and the others that night? I’m also interested in knowing the details of how Morgan ended up outside…was she indeed ejected by security? We have hypothesized that she may have been ejected because JPJ arena has not denied this in a straightforward statement. If this is the case, could the BG have reported Morgan and her “intoxicated” state to security purposefully to have her ejected? If she called or texted someone outside of Charlottesville…perhaps to come pick her up… its possible s/he didn’t get to Morgan before the BG did. The fact that LE surveyed other Metallica concerts might suggest that the BG could have been preying on concert-goers and/or been part of the tour itself. The fact that they think the case is tied closely to Charlottesville could indicate that LE thinks the BG is a local predator or an acquaintance of MH. I’m going to begin researching date rape drugs (ugh) and will report back.
It sure does sound like she was drugged in some way (either voluntarily or not). I think it’s hard to slip someone a mickey at a concert, though; aren’t the sodas covered with a plastic top so they don’t spill as easily, or are they topless? (In fact, are they fountain sodas or are they plastic bottles? I’ve not been to that venue.) Water comes in bottles, so that would be hard to spike.
Then there’s beer, which might have been draft or bottle depending—and if draft, that would lend itself to drugging a bit more as it would be open topped—-but she couldn’t have bought one there. I guess someone could have given her a doctored one if no security guards were around to put the kibosh on it, but college age girls are trained to be leery of open drinks specifically because of date rape drugs, right? So I think she would only take a drink of any kind from someone she knew well, not a stranger.
I guess she could have done some rapid fire liquor chugging in the car while they were parking, and then had a delayed reaction to it getting into her system so that it hit her hard during the first band. But drugs seem like a more obvious answer.
As for the HH, I do think that we have seen LE say that multiple witnesses saw that, and I would assume that means more than the BB players, if they ever did say they saw her doing that.
Darlene #1173–I was not able to pull up the thread you posted–is there anyway you can copy the content of the message?
I certainly do not feel misled by the Harringtons. The source who said the Harringtons wanted the friends to keep quiet is anonymous–I do not feel this statement was credible. Even if the Harringtons had made a request to the friends, these kids are young and extremely immature–they may easily have misunderstood or distorted any message–not that I even necessarily believe one was given.
You guys are so devoted to Morgan and have shown so much commitment to her case, please don’t be upset with the parents over something completely unproven! I’m sure they are grateful to everyone working to bring Morgan home and would never knowingly mislead anyone who helping. OK, off my soapbox now…
If HH’ing, then I think it was a desperate attempt to try and get away from someone. I think Morgan got attavked in the parking lot, got away but in doing so, dropped her purse and cell phone, couldn’t go back for it because she was trying to escape, which is why she headed for the bridge and tried HH’ing as a desperate attempt to try and get away.
I am of the FIRM belief that the BB players, if nothing else, hold the key information/answers. They were the last person to speak with her, she would have HAD to say something about where she was going AND what happened to her. Did she tell them that she had been drugged, did she tell them someone was harrasing her or following her?
Logically, this person would either be one of the BB players OR the person who drugged her. If we add the grandma sighting in and suppose it is true, could the person who drugged her been following her the whole time but had too many people around to act on anything so he had to wait until she was in the “right place at the right time”.
If so, then why didn’t Morgan go to the police or security? Well, if only drunk and not understanding what is going on with herself due to being slipped something, maybe she didn’t, at the time, feel the need for police help. It wasn’t like she was somewhere unfamiliar. Or maybe she was just too out of it to understand anything that was going (wasn’t there a witness who said they seen her fall taking pictures and when they tried to help her, she just stared at them?)
Maybe LE believe she took a picture of this person before realizing that he had drugged her thus the reason they are looking for the camera. BUT, if the person knows he is on the camera, he would have taken care of the camera by now and thus the reason it has not been found nor probably ever will.
A counterpoint to the “personal” versus “academic” leave, and a few notes on coach/student athlete relationships.
I have dealt with a significant number of student athletes, and a couple of pretty famous coaches. Believe it or not, some of those coaches actually want the best for their students, even at the expense of the team. And some of those student athletes display great maturity; some not. Let me recount a couple of stories as illustrations:
1. Starting varsity student athlete fails a class. Famous coach calls and discusses. Student changes academic advisor to be the prof who failed him. Additional discussions ensue. Famous coach tells the student athlete that he needs to decide, with the coach’s full support, if he wants to be a pro football player or pursue demanding career X. Student decides that career X is more important to him, despite the short-term financial difference, he thinks that he can contribute to the world more so. Student retakes the class he fails, and makes an A. Semester GPA DOUBLED. Student still on team, still on scholarship, but no longer starts. Graduates. Plays Canadian pro ball for a few years to beef up the bank account, then pursues career X and makes contributions to the world. Restored my faith in college athletics, as this student probably never would have made it to college without athletic scholarship.
2. Two athletes, one an NCAA champ, cheat in class and get caught by prof. Their plea: whatever you do, please don’t tell our coach. Prof’s final punishment: zero on that test, but allowed to complete class, IF they told their coach in front of the prof. Both students had high enough GPAs to avoid probation even with an F, but they took the deal. Tough athletes do cry.
I believe that the student in #1 would have taken “personal leave” to deal with academic issues, even though he was still above the minimum to avoid “academic dismissal.” The students in #2, despite their immaturity/stupidity, chose to deal with the coach’s penalty rather than fail a class.
Not trying to clear anyone, just to provide the perspective that a student athlete MIGHT make such a choice.
Lizzy, you may be correct, but that still does not address the policy for student athletes and UVA’s program for same.
I believe academic probation is announced. His was not.
B
Lt. Radar says they KNOW Morgan drank alcohol that NIGHT.
No mention of “where” or “what”.
According to witness David Gardner who parked next to and interacted with Morgan and her party, he saw no evidence of drinking on their part.
IF David Gardner is correct, then “where” is likely JPJ Arena and “what” is most likely beer. (Not good if underage Morgan acquired alcohol from JPJ.)
We have this witness who says he saw Morgan in the beer area of JPJ:
ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL October 20, 2009
(snipped from transcript)
“VELEZ-MITCHELL: … But joining me on the phone is Wayne Townsend. He believes he saw Morgan at the Metallica concert Saturday night. Now, this is a Facebook page Wayne created to help spread the word about Morgan`s disappearance.
Wayne, tell us what you saw Saturday night. Did anything stand out to you at all?
WAYNE TOWNSEND, WITNESS (via phone): Well, when I pulled up the news Monday morning after hearing about Morgan`s case, after seeing her picture and the description of what she was wearing, it just kind of stuck a bell in the back of my head. And I said, you know, I do remember seeing a girl that matched that description. However, the only thing that…
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wait.
TOWNSEND: The only place that I can actually describe the location in the arena, cause it was, you know, very crowded throughout the whole area.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Inside or outside? Was she outside?
TOWNSEND: She was inside on the — as you call it, the upper corridor, where all the vendors are and where they serve all the beers and the I.D. check.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Was she alone?
TOWNSEND: I couldn`t tell if she was alone, because there was so many people, and it was kind of like a passing by kind of thing.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: But she says she went out to go to the bathroom and couldn`t get back in. Was this she after she went into the bathroom or would this be something inside the stadium?
TOWNSEND: This was going to be inside the stadium is where I can remember seeing — seeing her.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Whew, wow, but she didn`t seem in any kind of anxiety?
TOWNSEND: You know, I mean, we were all kind of, sort of pushed through and kind of like to get where we were going. I mean, everyone kind of — had a bit of anxiety to them, you know, trying to push through. And kind of get to whatever part of the arena that they were trying to get to.”
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0910/20/ijvm.01.html
Lt. Radar also said there was a very small window of opportunity for Morgan to have gotten into a car – - the 10 minutes between 9:20 and 9:30pm. Hmmm. What or who shut the window at 9:30? That leads me to believe witnesses report a last sighting of Morgan at 9:20 (finished interacting with BB players – of 2 we believe to have the ID’s of – - who’s the 3rd, BB player from UVA also?) and another sighting reports seeing Morgan get into a car at 9:30 (no prior media reporting of). fwiw, I still don’t believe she was hitchiking.
Hmmm. Wonder if the window looked closed at 9:30 due to a witness or other visual account or even texting from Morgan’s phone to her friends timestamped within that 10 minute window saying she found a ride. Wonder if the window finally closed at 9:30 because LE actually spoke to the driver of the car, which may play a role in Lt. Radar talking about if someone gave her a ride and dropped her off somewhere.
I have to wonder, though, why Morgan’s Dad finally ID the first name of the male driver of Morgan’s car. Perhaps it was to put an end to any speculation that the male driver was involved in his daughter’s disappearance, so the focus would go to the driver of the car that Morgan ended up in at 9:30. Or perhaps it was to focus on Morgan’s “circles”, using Dan as the springboard.
Lt. Radar did talk about a change in the behavior of anyone who ATTENDED that night – - so that appears to be a narrowing of things down from their perspective in terms of someone off-site. I get the impression if Morgan got into a car, the car was originally used to get to the events at JPJ.
Lt. Radar also talked about Morgan’s behavior being inconsistent with her usual behavior as a result of drinking alcohol. My head is just spinning already, thinking she may have been targeted or preyed upon inside JPJ with another substance other than alcohol (yeah, quite plausible a drink was spiked at some point), with the POI following her and eventually guiding her. Still possible the texts from Morgan’s phone outside the arena were done with the assistance of the POI, especially IF Morgan was nefariously under the influence.
Morgan didn’t have a spare set of car keys with her, did she? Asking because of the driving distances and frequencies between school, her home, and social outings. Seems like a natural “emergency” thing to have a spare set of keys. Spinning head is also thinking of the possibility that someone witnessing her “vulnerable” state, may have offered “assistance” to drive her somewhere, in her car, and then return her car to its original parking space.
Then again, nothing was presented at that media conference to convince me 100% that Morgan was even at the concert. Nada. If LE know “certain scenarios” are out there in public discussion like running off or being in a coal car (what?), surely they must know Morgan’s attendance is one of them. Post visual reference, for Pete’s Sake.
‘Stumbled on this case from 15 years ago where a Portland, Ore. woman was highly intoxicated and ejected from bar, hitchhiked, and was molested.
http://www.publications.ojd.state.or.us/A97860.htm
I’m making a donation to any organization providing free cab rides. We’ve gotta get our armor up!
Great Idea. But check them out thoroughly first. Not that I have to tell you that, lol
B
Re: #1207 Comment by cvillenative — December 31, 2009 @ 12:50 pm
You and I are marching to the beat of the same drummer right now. Let’s explore this scenario further.
In my opinion the effects that I read about date rape drugs are very much in alighnment with Morgan’s reported behavior that night. If she did indeed fall–and got a bloddy chin because she didn’t get her hands out in front of her to break her fall– then that points to impaired motor skills and coordination. Supposedly when she got up she didn’t respond to the woman who witnessed her fall– because her speech or perception was impaired? She was either ejected from the arena for appearing extremely intoxicated (drugged) or she left on her own, perhaps because she was confused, disoriented, nauseated, dizzy…generally not feeling well. She is seen stumbling around, dropping her purse repeatedly. If she kicked that man and/or got into a disagreement with a female security guard as I have seen reported, then that supports the agression that may be a result of date rape drugs. I am more strongly feeling that this is what happened to our dear Morgan. Even her mother’s statements about rape and murder seem to support this hypothesis.
So…(apologies for graphic nature of next part) If this was a sexual crime, did the BG plan to murder her after raping her? Or did the drugs cause her death either through combination with alcohol, prescription medication, allergy or other unique reaction?
There are so many questions that need to be answered. Morgan was 19 or 20– who bought her alcohol that night? Ask friends, review security tapes. Morgan has not yet been found and there are little clues and few witnesses. I don’t think this was a first attempt by the BG. I want to know the MO of convicted rapists in Charlottesville as well as the criminal records of anyone working the concert or on campus that night. I also want to know the story behind the paver’s employee’s rape for which he was convicted. Look for similarities!!! Are there any others in the local music scene of which Morgan was a part that have been convicted of rape or sexual assualt? Finally, if anyone attended the concert went with someone who has been convicted of rape or sexual assault, report that to someone. I think it would be worth reviewing security tapes to see who else left the concert early that night. I want to know if MH was ejected by security that night, and if so, why? Did someone report her impaired state to security? I really think that this– unfortunately– is the avenue to pursue right now.
Wanttohelp: I just went back to the site looking for it, but looks like the topic was “moved” around 5am. http://www.metallicabb.com/index.php?s=8ede250b942e3d7530220baf6cabb5f8&showforum=2. If the link doesn’t work, it was under Anything Metallica, posted yesterday with the topic “Female Fan” by Donka from Abu Dhabi. To poster stated they were really tiny and planned to go to the concert alone and wanted to make sure she would be safe and that no one would stomp on her. She asked what kind of protection could she expect from security. It was really quite odd and the comments back were just as odd, sort of mocking the Morgan situation. I’m frustrated it’s not there anymore.
Is it possible that she had a drink with her when she went to the bathroom and set it down on the counter before she entered the stall? (on the other hand, if the bathrooms were busy someone would have noticed a person adding something to her drink…and it would be a female…not that a female is incapable of criminal activity but it makes me rethink the motive).
Or maybe she set her drink down on her seat during the concert and someone behind/next to the girls slipped something into it? Good question, whoever asked what type of lids are on the drinks…does anyone know?
Skylar, I agree with you 100%! I feel we have been misled about a lot of things and I also feel the “friends” know a lot more than they are telling. I was 20 once and by the grace of God I am still here, sometimes I wonder why
. I wish I could do better than a cyber hug but here goes (((((HUGS)))). Know you aren’t alone in what you feel. Than God for Blink and all of you who care for those without a voice to speak. Bring Morgan home to her parents! 241
acho — what would UVA clarify? They would never publicly intrude upon an investigation nor would it be appropriate to do so. They did previously state that their (UVA’s) actions re the two players had nothing to do with morgan but for them to say that someone is guilty/innocent of a crime would be crazy. The three friends were presumably cleared by LE as they were inside the arena and someone must have asked them to say that (probably because of the beating they were getting on message boards). LE is not in the role of clearing people unless they know for an absolute certainty they did not do it.
Top o the new year, B and folks. I started to post last night, Thinking Goblet in one hand, chunk of sharp cheddar in the other (and yes, I can type with nibblies in my hand. Multi-tasker… annnd I can’t type to begin with.) But I got pulled away before I could formulate my thoughts on statements made at yesterday’s presser. So, here they are now, sans cheese.
Elizabeth, I disagree with your assessment – I think that some of the blurry details we’ve been squinting at and trying to makes sense of in regard to this case came into slightly sharper focus yesterday. I think it also put several ongoing theories to bed.
First, “according to a statement from police, based on eyewitness accounts, Lt. Joe Rader said that Harrington was drinking on October 17: ‘Those accounts also describe her behavior as irrational, in a way that would have been very unusual for Morgan.’”
The only confirmed eye witnesses – besides anonymous “was spotted walking…” accounts referenced in LE’s timeline – were the BB players. MH approached them as they walked across the UHall parking area, and interacted with them for about 10 minutes before they allegedly left her alone in the RV lot. LE’s statement indicates that whatever she said to these players, or her general demeanor, was odd, off-putting and irrational/showing demonstrable intoxication. This could very well be the reason the players took off once they reached their parking area.
A number of posters here can’t seem to believe that these young men could possibly have not wanted to take advantage of a situation putting them in direct contact with a beautiful young blond in distress. I submit that she may have slightly distressed *them* with her behavior.
Rader also noted: “Her friends were not involved in her disappearance.”
This is either a categorical refutation of suspicions amongst the public that someone who directly knew MH was involved; or, if could be purposely vague, i.e. only referring to the friends attending the concert with her. If it’s the former, I’d find it significant that an entire suspect pool – everyone she’s partied with or knew throughout the three-college corridor – was eliminated; it would imply that the Friends’ seemingly strange/flag-raising demeanors and inplausible/contradictory accounts of the day/night she disappeared are serving as a red herring – that MH’s fate was/is in the hands of a opportunistic criminal/predator.
Another statement put forth at the presser was: “Police have searched all along I-64 from Charlottesville to Augusta County as well as stretches toward Richmond …”
There are so many highways, interstates and routes weaving around the Cville area, this specific statement indicates that LE has, in fact, zeroed in on the direction the car she entered subsequently headed: left on Ivy Road, right onto Emmet (Route 29) toward and onto interstate 64, which they’ve searched westbound to where it intersects with I-81 and eastbound toward the Richmond area.
I noticed that the intersection of Ivy and Emett is where the event parking garage for the JPJ sits (for those who did not pre-register for arena parking – a detail that Judi posted (#1127) yesterday: http://www.jonesarena.com/documents/MetallicaParkingOptions.pdf
I’ve always pictured MH’s car in the lot outside the JPJ, and was thus puzzled that she didn’t at least stop at her car once outside the arena. It just seems like that’d be a natural move.
*But* if her car was where most out-of-towners’ vehicles were parked, then it was in the Emmet/Ivy Parking Garage – and that means Dan likely dropped the girls off at the arena and parked MH’s car in that garage, making the 15-minute walk over to the JPJ with MH’s keys, and entering the venue separately from them. If he was seated in a different section, and didn’t meet up with/find the girls soon after entering, it only makes sense he would have the keys when MH inadvertantly ended up outside.
But, she would have known her car was in the satellite garage, and as she was cognitively impaired from drinking, she may have decided to head to her car, blurrily thinking she could get in/forgetting she did not have her keys, etc. This would mean she may have approached the BB players to ask them where the garage was located or to ask if they could give her a ride there. Following this line of thinking, they may have told her where the garage was, but stopped short of giving her a ride due to her “irrational behavior” and obvious intoxication. Or maybe it was in the opposite direction of where they had to go – who knows?
It’s also a possibility that they (as students familiar with campus life) advised her to head to the intersection of Copley and Ivy, where she could easily catch a ride – maybe they suggested that she simply flag down a student driving toward campus in that direction for a quick lift to the garage. This may even be where the HH conclusion first emerged, bolstered by witness sightings of her entering a car in that exact area after the theory was floated out to the public.
Whether she followed what turned out to be terrible advice or decided on her own to catch a ride down Ivy to the garage, LE is clearly stating they know she flagged down a vehicle heading in that direction, and entered it – from that point on she was gone.
If she asked the driver for a lift to the garage, got in, and they headed that way, then based on searches along 64, the vehicle would likely have had to veer right onto Route 29 instead of into the garage area, the driver absconding with MH to the interstate.
Question for locals: Is the intersection of Ivy and Emmet/29 a traffic light? Are there traffic lights all down 29?
I’m sure LE is aware, but there *is* a traffic camera at the Ivy/Emett intersection. Here’s an article written this year about regional traffic cameras:(http://www2.dailyprogress.com/cdp/news/local/article/traffic_cameras_coming_to_a_road_near_you/25866/)
“Charlottesville’s traffic signal manager said the city currently has 13 similar traffic-monitoring cameras installed in various locations, including at the intersections of … Emmet Street and Ivy Road.”
I wonder if a car matching witnesses’ descriptions was seen veering onto 29…
There are also cameras along 64 toward I-81, though they may be useless in helping LE identify a specific vehicle at night.
(from same article) “Currently, beginning with the junction of Interstate 81 and I-64 in Augusta County and ending in Charlottesville, there are eight traffic cameras on I-64 monitored by a traffic center in Staunton.”
If this is the scenario resulting in her disappearance, either the driver was prepared to victimize someone random and overtook, threatened with a weapon, or otherwise dismantled MH on the way to the garage; or, once seated in the perp’s car, she looked for her keys and realized she did not have them – which may have been the opportunity the “helpful” driver needed in order to offer her a ride to Harrisonburg or elsewhere, thus not arousing her suspicion – and possibly gaining her trust – as they headed toward the interstate.
Lastly, it was noted: “Police say people should call if they see a ‘change in behavior’ among anyone who attended the Oct. 17th Metallica concert,” in addition to stating that LE has conducted searches at other Metallica concerts.
In other words: it is believed by investigators that the perpetrator was likely planning to attend the concert. This leads me to think the vehicle she got in was indeed headed for the garage to park for the show (keep in mind this would be about the time Metallica was taking the stage), so perhaps either the Emett/Ivy intersection’s camera caught a vehicle matching the description turn into the garage, or there is another piece of info/evidence we’re not aware of that indicates the vehicle she was in entered the garage or drove near it (I think it’s off the roadway a bit with a long entryway) before doubling back to Emmet/29 and heading for I-64.
How else would they conclude a random motorist driving through the Cville/UVa metro area was heading to that specific event (among many happening in the city that saturday night)? That garage was directly tied to the Metallica concert on Oct. 17.
Whew! All that and I don’t even have my Thinking Goblet with me (unless you count my travel coffee-mug).
Thoughts?
Sorry, one more observation.
Lt. Rader focused on a change in the behavior of the perp, and for those to be aware, etc.
Perhaps this is not an obvious “bad guy” by all appearances, but rather a “wolf in sheep’s clothing” so to speak. There is a strong possibility that this person’s closest circle have suspicions, but are either in denial because “no, couldn’t possibly be”, or are emotionally tied to the person and won’t give that person up (or won’t expose “the family” to any humilation or any ties to a crime). Also possible this person’s “circle” are accessories.
Blink and awa, the “Lawn” is still of interest to my spinning head.
Comment by luvblink — December 30, 2009 @ 10:05 pm:
[That is so funny. I remember talking about a guy on here that says he saw Morgan standing in the beer line.]
Comment by skyler — December 31, 2009 @ 12:53 am:
Please, please don’t shoot the messenger — I was reading findmorgan and psychic Ms. Claudette posted that she gave a tip to LE in the beginning — now, before we flame her, she did internet and other research on this fella, she claims — a background check — she has a POI who contacted her w/in days of Morgan going missing; said he had something he had to discuss w/ her, drove down to the beach, but she declined to meet w/ him; according to her, he has a past criminal record, and his co-deft in a 2008 trial lives in Roanoke; claims he was at the concert and stated publically he saw Morgan while he was waiting in a beer line]
_________________________
luvblink & skyler:
Wayne Townsend not only saw Morgan near the beer/vendors, he was also sitting in the section next to Morgan’s.
Morgan was in section 312. Wayne was in section 311.
Issues With Jane Velez-Mitchell
Aired October 20, 2009 – 19:00:00 ET (7:00p.m)
College Student Disappears After Metallica Concert
VELEZ-MITCHELL: You`re right, Metallica concert. I love Metallica. But I know what you`re saying. It attracts a certain kind of tough crowd, in a sense. Although, it kind of attracts middle-age people too, because they`re that old at this point.
But joining me on the phone is Wayne Townsend. He believes he saw Morgan at the Metallica concert Saturday night. Now, this is a Facebook page Wayne created to help spread the word about Morgan`s disappearance.
Wayne, tell us what you saw Saturday night. Did anything stand out to you at all?
WAYNE TOWNSEND, WITNESS (via phone): Well, when I pulled up the news Monday morning after hearing about Morgan`s case, after seeing her picture and the description of what she was wearing, it just kind of stuck a bell in the back of my head. And I said, you know, I do remember seeing a girl that matched that description. However, the only thing that…
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wait.
TOWNSEND: The only place that I can actually describe the location in the arena, cause it was, you know, very crowded throughout the whole area.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Inside or outside? Was she outside?
TOWNSEND: She was inside on the — as you call it, the upper corridor, where all the vendors are and where they serve all the beers and the I.D. check.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Was she alone?
TOWNSEND: I couldn`t tell if she was alone, because there was so many people, and it was kind of like a passing by kind of thing.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: But she says she went out to go to the bathroom and couldn`t get back in. Was this she after she went into the bathroom or would this be something inside the stadium?
TOWNSEND: This was going to be inside the stadium is where I can remember seeing — seeing her.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Whew, wow, but she didn`t seem in any kind of anxiety?
TOWNSEND: You know, I mean, we were all kind of, sort of pushed through and kind of like to get where we were going. I mean, everyone kind of — had a bit of anxiety to them, you know, trying to push through. And kind of get to whatever part of the arena that they were trying to get to.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Brian Russell, psychologist. What do you make of the fact that this was a Metallica concert, and it would attract a certain kind of customer?
BRIAN RUSSELL, PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, I don`t know that I`d make, really, that much of that. I`d be interested in hearing from the caller who was at concert. Is this is the kind of a venue where somebody could end up outside the ticket gates, trying to get to the restroom? Or must there have been some other reason for going outside of the ticket area?
HONOWITZ: That`s what I — that`s what I was saying. Yes.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wayne, are you still there?
TOWNSEND: I`m here.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Karen Desoto, I know you`ve been cheated a little bit tonight. Just tell us your thoughts in ten seconds.
KAREN DESOTO, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: My thoughts in ten seconds are three things. This is a young girl. We knew from her dad that she`s very trusting. She was separated from the pack. Those are three elements that predators will definitely look for.
And even more so…
VELEZ-MITCHELL: And we`re going to leave it right there.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0910/20/ijvm.01.html
_________________________
From Facebook October 20, 2009:
Sharon Nelson Pederson: Hey I wonder if police were able to talk to anyone that was assigned to seats next to where her (Morgan Harrington) and her friends were sitting? Or maybe if they announce what section she and her friends were in it might jog someones memory? October 20 at 10:24pm
* Wayne Townsend: Some folks have come forward saying they saw Morgan and her friends before the show, but I don’t think any as of yet have made it known to this group that they saw her anytime around the time she went missing. October 20 at 10:25pm
Alison Paige Landry: I hope LE is rounding up every sex offender within 50 miles of that arena and finding out where they were Saturday night around 10. October 20 at 10:34pm
* Wayne Townsend: Yes that would be a great help and a good place to investigate. Someone out there knows something and the police need to find them. October 20 at 10:35pm
Jamie Perigen: one of her friends said she was sitting in 312 on the Metallicabb message boards. October 20 at 10:52pm
* Wayne Townsend: I was in the 311 section myself. I really wish we could go back and change this given how close we were seated to her. October 20 at 10:54pm
_________________________
From Facebook October 21, 2009:
Jer Kong: Does anyone know wherabouts she was sitting/standing during the Metallica concert? October 21 at 12:09am
* Wayne Townsend: Some said one of her friends said she was sitting in 312, the section right next to mine. October 21 at 12:20am
Jer Kong: nuts. I have tons of pictures of the floor, but nothing overhead. October 21 at 12:21am
Jamie Perigen: yeah one of her friends said on the Metallicabb boards that she was in 312 October 21 at 12:22am
clementine,
exactly.
also an EMT.
Uh Boy. Are we back to the “Lawn” call and the medical center.
B
Skylar, re post 1203 The old Beatles song “Lies” has been swimming thru my dreams most of the night — and that’s what we’ve been given, I feel, from everyone — lies and betrayal —
It was actually the Knickerbockers who did “Lies” in 1966, not the Beatles.
“Uh Boy. Are we back to the “Lawn” call and the medical center.
B”
Frankly, still have a whisker on the Lawn, including the newspaper delivery lady’s account amongst others.
I know. Now that we know Dee S left and returned to JMU..
B
Does the basketball player live on the west lawn?
Last night at the basketball game, cups that probably qualify as mediums (the 22 ounce size, part of the hot dog and drink family pack promotion) had lids with straws available. Most people were drinking these sizes, taking advantage of the promotion, but I did see at least one large drink, in a plastic cup. The person drinking that soda had either removed the top or tops were not provided for the larger cups.
Hi J2k. Yep, there is a big intersection at Ivy and Emmet, just after you come to one of the entrances to the parking garage on the left. If you think of the whole U-Hall area as one block, the Cavalier Inn is at the opposite corner from U-Hall, with athletic fields, train tracks, and weeds in between. It would have been six of one, half dozen the other for Morgan to have gone left or right to get to that corner. There is an entrance to the parking garage on either side of the hotel, if that makes sense…that garage sits almost directly between the hotel and U-Hall. One entrance on Emmett, and one on Ivy, both about 75-100 yards from the intersection. It would make sense for Morgan to think she needed to cross the bridge, go left at Ivy, and down the hill to the parking garage. That is the entrance we use when we use that lot, too. If she had left JPJ, gone down the hill on Massie, turned right onto Emmett, she would have had to walk about the same distance to the other side of the parking garage.
This intersection can get crazy with traffic and pedestrians during the day, so I’m sure there are cameras. If someone were at the intersection with the hotel on the left (gas station over to the left; tennis courts over to the right), a right onto Emmett would take him to Jefferson Park Avenue (JPA), where he’d have to know to bare right to go out toward Fontaine and the entrance to the bypass, then interstate 64. I think this may be what Skyler did at one point. JPA is all off-campus housing, students all over the place, so I never go that way because I’m sure I’ll run over one darting across the street. It’s also not the quickest way to the bypass and 64, but a student, or student from another school might only know of this way in and out to the stadiums. I think traffic for football games is directed in to Fontaine from the bypass.
And with real dread, after all this talk of date rape drugs (which were around in the 80′s), I asked my kids if it’s now common for students to drop these in drinks just for kicks. Yes, it is…and sometimes really just for kicks, not necessarily for rape. We have two friends from my kid’s highschool who were given this drug at a fraternity party their first year of college (a nice small school in Ohio). They turned the guys in and were then seen as pariahs. Both switched schools. My daughter says there is a fraternity at her school that is known to have the drug around…girls are even served from a different bar. So we had the talk again…just had all of them in the kitchen, my boys and girls. Like there is not enough out there that we have to worry about…my god. BTW there were two “Gift of Fear” books under our tree this year, to be passed around to all.
Lord help us parents.
I guess I can’t blame the friends for not talking more. Half the posters here want to turn them into the police, the Feds, and God Herself for underage drinking (and the other half prolly already have). Imagine if they tried to tell us what drugs were involved?
I don’t think that is fair, I think it is really more the issue of the underlying problem, which IT IS.
Be nice, you got your comment on the FP.
B
Comment by wpgmouse — December 31, 2009 @ 3:06 pm
[clementine, exactly. also an EMT.]
Comment by Blink – [Uh Boy. Are we back to the “Lawn” call and the medical center.B]
_________________
The location of his seats, his sighting of her, EMT, lawn call/medical center. No longer in a relationship as of 11/30.
Surely LE investigators have thoroughly explored this route, no?
After all, they are monitoring the page he himself created.
BTW, wpgmouse, your post wasn’t up yet when I started mine. Sorry for duplicate JVM transcript info.
thanks, Ross — I thought it was the Beatles — whoever sang it, I didn’t sleep well at all and every time I woke up — “Liiiiiiiiezzzzzzzzzzzzz” is all I heard —
In regard to our famous Mr. Townsend — I wonder how CNN got his name in the first place ? Here’s a post about his FB page, which is probably set to private by now …
>>Posted by: Pacino Location: Mark on Oct 21, 2009 at 05:24 PM
I find it a little disturbing that the guy who set up this page has some very offensive stuff on his own page. Go check the Facebook page of Wayne Townsend (it is wide open as of 10/21), and check out his favorite quotes and his interests. Who writes that kind of stuff? I know everyone appreciates that he took the five minutes to create the page, but honestly the guy seems like a total creep. <<<
Now, he responded that he works w/ people w/ “intellectual disabilities” – I’ll stick the link at the bottom — so, my mind whirls, who did Morgan work w/ since she was 13 y/o ? Dr. H is a psychiatrist who worked at UVA and who may have treated persons w/ mental impairments, ie prescribing meds, and perhaps “Daddy Wayne” as he describes himself on his myspace page was aware of Morgan ….
In my world in this case, everybody’s a suspect — until they’re not.
Shoot, I’ll make myself suspect — I wish to God I had come across Morgan
Here’s the link to the page I copied this from :
http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/65077462.html?storySection=comments
Here’s his myspace — it’s set to private, but ck out the pix
http://www.myspace.com/waynerocks
eeww — he is kinda creepy — according to his Tweets, he is a huge gamer and in the area of Oct 23rd, 24th couldn’t sleep — w/ the exception of “Rock Band 2″ all of his games are killing games — eew !
http://twitter.com/Wayne_Townsend
I gotta feeling he’s gonna take down his public page —
http://www.facebook.com/posted.php?id=162224546575&start=590&hash=348c46530285aed1f882e06326634fad#/waynerocks?ref=share
Moon, if you are referring to Jamil Tucker as “the basketball player,” I do not know where he lives but I doubt very seriously that it would be on the lawn. Rooms on the lawn, with regard to creature comforts, would by most people not familiar with UVa, be considered the least desirable of residences. I believe most, if not all, have only fireplaces for heat and bathroom facilities have to be reached by leaving the room and traveling along an open walkway to a shared bathroom area. These are among the original buildings from when the University was founded by Thomas Jefferson. We had 2 feet of snow just as students were heading out for the Christmas break so imagine having to struggle through that to reach the bathroom. It’s been sometime since I toured the lawn as a child, but I believe also located on the lawn are several Pavilions,home for some of UVa’s most senior professors. Now, as to why I don’t believe Jamil Tucker is a lawn resident. These rooms are reserved mainly for the most academically outstanding students, or for students who, through service to the University, are considered worthy to reside in such an honored abode. Believe Katie Couric was once a lawn resident. Ralph Samson in the 80′s resided on the lawn during at least his senior year. At that time, he and UVa occupied the pinnacle of college basketball though never quite able to achieve a national championship. While Jamil Tucker might be a wonderful individual, it does not seem that he would have been honored with a lawn room either for academics or as an athlete. Unfortunately for him, it is doubtful that his basketball career at UVa will afford him a professional career, so I hope he is able to earn his degree. I do apologize to Mr. Tucker if he was awarded such an honor, but in keeping with the tradition of lawn residency, it does not seem likely. I sincerely hope that neither Jamil or any of the basketball players are involved in Morgan’s disappearance, not because of what it could mean for the University but for them as individuals. If they do have any involvement, or know more than they have told, I hope they will come forward and end the agony Morgan’s family is suffering. I encourage anyone who has any information to step forward and do the right thing.
Redly (#1221): Simply seems an opportunity for UVa to re-state what they said earlier (i.e., actions taken by and against players have nothing to do with the MH case). As a point of clarification since LE has added some details and mentioned people, but pointedly left out the BB players, since UVa last commented. Certainly did not mean to offend; C’ville is our hometown, my husband’s a UVa alum, and we adore the place. (I have been disappointed in UVa Athletics time and again, however, so perhaps my expectations are skewed.)
J2K, I like your mad reasoning skills. I wondered about the garage a few weeks ago and about traffic cams, too, but never got that confirmation til today. I am right there with you.
Interesting that Wayne’s relationship ended around November 30th. I recall him explaining his absence to the regulars on Facebook as a derivative of his effort to maintain his relationship and be a good father. The Morgan page was apparently taking up too much of his time.
Also fairly curious to me is Rader’s comments about someone’s demeanor being very ‘off’. I guess this is kind of standard procedure, but he sure does like to remind us about this frequently. He did also say that said someone might have attended the concert.
If Wayne was involved, however, wouldn’t he have had to leave his friends at the concert to go abduct Morgan? How would he explain this departure to LE?
I just don’t think Wayne, but for the Chhilds Metzler police officer/EMT possible connection. Anyone know if Wayne drives a silver or blue van?
>>also an EMT.
Uh Boy. Are we back to the “Lawn” call and the medical center.
B <<
also perhaps has access to “benzodiazepines” the drug mentioned in Dane’s case ???
I don’t know whether I’m just having a really off day or what, but this is the first time I’ve ever gotten really that awful gut feeling in this case — is there any evidence he stayed for the entire concert and never left ? geeze/cheese — worst thoughts are coming to my mind — as an emt, he is familiar w/ every twist and turn of the area — every dark road —
All of the criminal cases I worked on were anti-prosecution and post arrest — so I have no idea of what goes on in a criminal investigation to bring a case to the point where arrests are made — only what I see on TV —
But I do want to make it clear that the cheese (me) stands alone on my posts, and I don’t want any others of the Blink Squad pulled into my feelings. I do not blame them at all, but I did feel let down by the Harringtons if the reports that they asked the “other girls” — they take exception to being called “the friends” in quotes, so I’ve read — to remain quiet. I think it’s obvious from the beginning if you go back and read my posts my heart absolutely aches for them, I cannot begin to imagine the pure hell they’re going thru — I don’t even know them or Morgan, and it breaks my heart — also, I am the one who is so outspoken about underaged drinking and providing alcohol to underaged drinkers. In the first press release, LE pleaded w/ “the girls” to give them information. I don’t know if that information has been forthcoming. I believe helpful information is contained in the computers and phone records of these acquaintances. ** IF ** LE had no reason to be able to obtain a warrant to search their rooms, their lives, their computers, their phones — public postings of pix showing them drinking underaged will give LE that reason and the judge that reason to issue that warrant, lawyered up or not — did I report this info ? You betcha. Did I hear one word, even an auto-response back — not at all –
So…. if you want to disagree w/ my positions — that’s fine. This cheese is capable of standing alone on those issues — I just don’t want the rest of the gang unjustly to get lumped in w/ how I feel : )
Sky-
the cheese never stands alone here. Unless it is headcheese.
B
J2K -
Everytime I see your name I think of Y2K – memba that? Well, you asked for thoughts and here are mine on your BB player comments:
Morgan and the BB players actually encountered each other in the UHall parking lot. It was probably immediately obvious she was intoxicated although I do not believe she was sloppy, falling down drunk. They could have at any time directed her to the bridge and down the road to the intersection from the UHall lot. However, Morgan CROSSED THE ROAD with them to where their cars were parked in the RV lot. If she was threatening or fearful to them in some way they had ample time to contact security BEFORE they reached their cars.
Then we are to believe that they left her there alone in the cold rain obviously in distress without keys, car or friends and she has to BACKTRACK back to the road and then to the bridge to hitchhike?
Sorry, I have tried but I can’t go with that. If there is no way to get to the bridge without having to go to the RV lot, then I might be able to move on to another theory.
Blink, for the love of God woman, stop pining for the oh so sexy Norman. I have it on good authority, (from the feds) that he is ‘in a relationship’.
Anyway, I am going to see what I can find out about Jamil and his studies. Anyone have access to any UVA tutors, professors, water boys, basketball groupies, ANYone of that nature?
ROTFL
B
J2K please don’t take my all caps as shouting — just trying to make a point and since you can’t see me frantically waving my hands, well, anyway, sorry.
At one point in my life I left a party, mad and drunk, wearing a red dress with sequins and matching high heels and started walking home, directly into the areas where you know you shouldn’t be and ended up being raped. If there had been a forum at the time trying to find the guy who did it (never did btw) everyone would have focused on my drinking and in fact I think I smoked some weed that night too, and on the fact that I had a HUGE fight with my date, but the guy I ran into was a total stranger and even acted like he was going to help me.
I say this to point out that whatever may have happened inside the concert does not absolutely have to have anything to do with what ultimately happened outside.
J2K, my dear !! I read backwards — and shew is right. What you theorize makes a lot of sense — I’m not sure my brain can absorb as fast you think !! I feel bad for Mr. J2K when he tries to enter into a debate w/ you : )
Let’s say, just for fun, that “the people in the car w/ Morgan” are only guilty of being self-absorbed — that the BB players have no guilt whatsoever and merely pointed Morgan in the direction of where she could possibly get a ride —
Why won’t they just come out and say it ? It would eliminate so much speculation. Ridees can say; We were parked here. Our seats were here. During a portion of the concert, we were on the floor. That LOG video is us and that is Morgan. Drivee’s seat was here. He stayed inside the entire concert and never spoke or saw morgan again. BB players make a public statement: we talked to her, she asked for directions, we gave them to her and we left — Coach wore us out in practice and we went home and crashed (which is what I would do).
There is absolutely no question that Metallica was on the stage at 9:30 — I can’t say for 9:20 — and you could absolutely hear the “music” — from where I was it sounded more like Nascar engines right beside your ear — in the area. I may be wrong, but I do not believe BB players are Metal Heads.
Which leads me to speculate that Morgan may have asked them to use whatever pull they had to get her back inside —
Also, I had read somewhere — this may be totally false — that one of the BB players’s GF was getting ready to have their baby any day, and that was the reason he took some personal time off — again, that may be pure fiction –
Just tell us what the conversation was.
If you have nothing to hide, why are you hiding ????
Skyler, Regarding above comment #1234 I remember seeing weeks ago that Wayne Townsend and Morgan were on a facebook page where every poster put up their picture and announce to the world that they were going to be at that concert. Everyone on that fb page knew she would be there and what she looked like. The link to the fb pages were put up on Websleuths.com. I will try to find it. I remember it was regarding that specific concert and who was going.
>> I wish I could do better than a cyber hug but here goes (((((HUGS)))). Know you aren’t alone in what you feel. Than God for Blink and all of you who care for those without a voice to speak. Bring Morgan home to her parents! 241 <<
Thank you, Kathy !! I needed that, : ) Cyber hugs are good !
Jamil ‘lettered’ for the past three years. Does this require a certain GPA?
http://www.virginiasports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17800&ATCLID=1133218
Skyler, found it!!!
http://apps.facebook.com/ilike/artist/Metallica/event_whose_going?event_id=10291598&page=1
Townsend is on page one, then go to page two where Morgan is seen. Hope the link works. If not let me know and I will try again.
If LE thinks the BB players testimony might be useful in court someday, would they want them talking to the press/blogs now?
OMG! Could Wayne have cyber stalked Morgan?
I remember that Facebook page, too.
Catching up after a much needed blog break.
I thought I was still pretty ‘with it’ but I guess not so I will give up and ask:
“What is 241?” and how is it significant? I did find reference to a song title by Reel Big Fish who I’ve heard of, lol, but fail to see the meaning.
TIA
So sorry that happened to you, Mary.