Morgan Harrington Case: Virginia State Police On New Search
Charlottesville, VA– Virginia State Police are searching an area of route 64, between mile markers 112 and 114 today in their efforts to locate missing VT student, Morgan Harrington.
Located approximately 4 miles west of Charlottesville, VA, the stretch of highway leads up to an early area of interest, Crozet, VA.
VSP PR Manager, Connie Geller says the area is not being searched based on any new tip.
Check back to blinkoncrime.com for this developing story.
Update #1. Jim Hanchett, Newsplex, reports the search has ended for this area today, and is awaiting any news of other possible search areas.
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Thought it odd that they mentioned Kodak or Sony red digital camera. Why those two brands? Was digital camera shopping recently and looked at both of those. Ended up with a Samsung; can’t say it looks much different.
Maybe doesn’t matter, but since they would like to find the camera, I just wondered. If they think it is something someone might have found in the parking lot or arena, for example . . .
Mary, good points about the bball players. I agree. My common sense keeps drawing me back there. I think something consensual may have gone awry.
Ugh.
Something has bothered me to my core since the statement from Ms. Wood, UVA. You may have noticed I have not spoken about it, still not going to. Waiting for one of y’all..
B
Lizzy, Ms. Geller stated publicly that ‘the basketball players are free to speak publicly if they see fit’.
Paraphrasing. I will see if I can find the exact quote.
Skyler, I’ve enjoyed your posts, and especially reading about your travels on the 17th. You are the type of Mom every child/adult needs. Willing to let them have their own fun, but placing limits on what you will allow, i.e. traveling out of town to a concert. I hope your son appreciates how lucky he is to have someone who cares so very much. I have to disagree though with what you and others seem to feel, that any of us are owed any type of a statement from the friends, from the basketball players or anyone else even remotely connected to the night Morgan disappeared. These individuals all MUST tell LE everything they know down to the smallest detail, but they owe us, the public nothing. As of now, no one has been charged, and it’s not absolutely certain a crime has even occurred, but how many fingers have been pointed. As I posted before, a family member of mine, when I was very, very young, suffered much the same fate, vilified and accused by the very people he thought were his friends with very tenuous proof of wrong doing. That family member died with some still believing his guilt even though he was not convicted. As for the statement that one of the basketball players either has a pregnant girlfriend or maybe is already a father, that statement I believe was made in a comment by Blink, either early here or on another thread. If true, could go a long way toward providing answers to why certain events have occurred. I know the name of the young man, it was posted in the original comment, but I will not repeat the name, not because it is a shameful situation to have fathered a child out of wedlock, but just because it’s not something I have any personal knowledge of. Some might wonder why I continue to read when I seem to be in such disagreement with what is often posted, but I, like all of you, want to find this young woman, hopefully safe and sound, but if not, have her returned to her family. In doing so, I don’t want innocent people to be wrongfully maligned and hurt because of the evil of another as yet unknown.
Sue, I recalled that, and it is what sparked my question. Bugged me then; bugs me now. It seemed so odd to me to be coming from her–wouldn’t that be a decision for LE, not UVA. Who’s she to say? Am I missing something?
This just doesn’t sound good to me. On November 11th he takes a leave for personal reasons, and December 22nd he is abruptly dismissed from the team.
http://www.newsplex.com/sports/headlines/79946367.html
Sorry, I think I have my people and statements mixed up. Blink, you can delete the previous post before it goes “live.”
okay! ms. wood, i am guessing is the woman spokesperson for internal affairs at uva? is that correct? does anyone know why the medical assistance report/ call on the docket of uva is still open these two months later? and, this may seem random, but there is a reason for the ?…
I am editing your comment a bit, but I agree it is time to ask the question, ok?
Does anyone happen to know if any of the Mom’s/Aunt’s/Sisters of the bball players were on campus the weekend of October17th?
Yes, Ms. Wood PR spokesperson for the entire athletic dept. You guys do remember when I posted the link from the updated roster, correct? He was off the roster, and then added to practice on Nov 29th. Checking course updates, this does not jibe, people. For starters, academic probation is 2 consecutive semesters before someone gets booted.
Are we to believe that he resigns from the team indefinitely? Coach says personal reasons.
Not an announcement of academic issues, no academic probation, no practice, no nothing. He is interviewed early November at a game and announces he is coming back after Cancun. No word of academic issues.
Nov. 29th, announcement he returns to the team, starts to practice but will not suit up yet. Nothing on academic issue. Why announce his return if he is in danger of the flunk out, a few weeks later.
Dec. 22, gets the boot for academic standards issue. He may very well have nothing to do with Morgan’s case, but I do not buy this scenario as presented.
Hell to the No.
B
Sue, I had Ms. Wood and Ms. Gellar confused. Recalled the statement and thought it came from UVA, not LE.
But it is what sparked my question–now I have my answer. Thanks.
“According to several sources, members of UVA’s men’s basketball team were among the last to see Harrington in the grassy, tree-shrouded parking area. Emails sent to numerous team members were forwarded to UVA spokesperson Carol Wood, who directed the inquiry to State Police, but Geller declines comment on the identity of any witnesses.
“We leave it to them whether they want to speak publicly,” she says.”
Why does she defer to VSP?
From the Hook article.
http://www.readthehook.com/blog/index.php/2009/11/13/hitchhiking-missing-morgan-harrington-still-missing-sought
You would not, unless their was material information in an ongoing investigation.
B
Links to the e-mail and subsequent statement from Wood.
http://www2.dailyprogress.com/cdp/news/local/article/body_found_in_roanoke_not_harringtons/49011/
“Authorities have also repudiated reports of a link between Harrington’s disappearance and the departures of two players from the UVa men’s basketball team.
Sources have said that some members of the team saw Harrington that evening.
Sophomore center Assane Sene was recently suspended for the first three games of the season for “conduct detrimental to the team,” according to UVa, and senior forward Jamil Tucker has taken an open-ended leave of absence from the team.
“These actions are in no way connected to Morgan’s disappearance,” wrote UVa spokeswoman Carol Wood in an e-mail.”
http://www.wtvr.com/news/wtvr-harrington-uva-basketball-team-091124,0,1624772.story
Here is the official Statement from UVA:
“Because of the number of rumors that have been circulating about members of the University’s men¹s basketball team in regard to the Morgan Harrington case, we felt it was important to make a statement to set the record straight. As police worked to establish a time line of October 17 in hopes of locating Ms. Harrington, they interviewed a number of witnesses, including some members of the men¹s basketball team.
After a practice, team members had been approached by a female consistent with Ms. Harrington’s description. They cooperated fully with law enforcement investigators and, like other witnesses interviewed by the police, they provided information that is important to police efforts to establish Ms. Harrington¹s movements.”
Carol Wood Assistant Vice President for Public Affairs
Blink, is it the fact that in an attempt to ‘set the record straight’, she does anything but?
“Wood says the basketball players were interviewed as witnesses, and they cooperated completely with police. Their names are not being released.
The statement from UVa Public Affairs reads:
“Because of the number of rumors that have been circulating about members of the University’s men’s basketball team in regard to the Morgan Harrington case, we felt it was important to make a statement to set the record straight.”
If you are going to set the record straight, then DO IT. She does not deny that they have any involvement in Morgan’s disappearance.
“As police worked to establish a time line of October 17 in hopes of locating Ms. Harrington, they interviewed a number of witnesses, including some members of the men’s basketball team. After a practice, team members had been approached by a female consistent with Ms. Harrington’s description.
They cooperated fully with law enforcement investigators and, like other witnesses interviewed by the police, they provided information that is important to police efforts to establish Ms. Harrington’s movements.”
http://www.newsplex.com/news/headlines/72720292.html
One line:
They provided information that is important to police efforts to establish Ms. Harrington’s movements.
How would they know her movements since they left, allegedly? That statement makes sense to me if they know where she moved to.
B
“Does anyone happen to know if any of the Mom’s/Aunt’s/Sisters of the bball players were on campus the weekend of October17th?”
Now that question does seem RANDOM to me. Obviously, I am on Page 2 yet again.
No, your not. Not random, best I got for right now.
B
Liz, yes they were on the same “who’s going” to the concert site.
sue,
He may have gone alone, he may have been there (and left) with a buddy or buddies, maybe the buddy left.
IMO, setting up a facebook page for someone you appear to not have personally known, is a curious behavior.
clementine,
I thought I had read a fellow by the same name was supposed to get married on October 11, 2009 in VA.
skyler,
You are not alone. The problem I have with underage drinking in Morgan’s case, is who served her (and her friends) alcohol that night?
Where does the responsibility lie?
(Anyone serving or supplying alcohol to underage kids – - any where, needs to be seriously addressed.)
That’s true, Blink.
Also, what other witness connected with this case has LE come out and publicly spoken about? Without naming names, of course.
I can think of absolutely no one. Can anyone else?
In fairness, I dont think they would have mentioned it if I had not broken it here.
The other thing that bugs me- the Harrington’s were unaware of this as well, until it broke here.
B
from Blink:
“Does anyone happen to know if any of the Mom’s/Aunt’s/Sisters of the bball players were on campus the weekend of October17th?”
That sounds familiar for some reason. Need to check.
Leave it to you to drop the Uber Cheese Platter on NYE.
Happy New Year Friend.
B
Blink – my apologies about the pics/comments post. I thought maybe you did go ahead and post, as I could always see it anytime I checked the site. I went back in using another browser and disabled cookies and sure enough…not posted just as I had requested. (Thank you) I guess you would have told me if you decided to post as you’re so good about respecting our requests. So…to answer your question it is okay to post my comments regarding her pictures etc., but not her pictures/etc. at least not directly from me. It was her privacy I was trying to protect, not mine.
I’m sure they’re gone by now as the links have appeared on your site, as you mentioned. I guess I better start using my RSS feeds so I have know what’s really going on.
J2K- thank you for posting your theory about the Emmett/Ivory garage. I did some of the same research a few weeks ago when we were discussing granny’s siting, but I never posted it. I was just coming out as a lurker and I talked myself out of posting. I do that a lot. So if I may add to your thoughts….
Here is information regarding arena parking for the Metallica show. According to the pdf, parking for the concert was sold out. So without a prepaid pass, that leaves the Emmett/Ivy garage.
http://www.jonesarena.com/event_details.asp?id=217
http://www.jonesarena.com/documents/MetallicaParkingOptions.pdf
Did Dr. Harrington know to purchase a parking pass when purchasing the tickets for the girls. If her dad didn’t think she would be driving, he might not have purchased one. 10$ event parking was available at the Emmet/Ivy garage, but it’s a good 15-20 minute walk to/from the arena. I wondered if MH decided to go back to her car and wait or maybe she had a HideAKey under the bumper she decided to retrieve. Seems far fetched as she has a newer Honda and they make it almost impossible to lock yourself out, but I’ve done it myself as an adult many times. Maybe she took a ride back to the garage and never made it. Or, she took a ride and made it but was abducted there. Or, if she was going to meet someone she used the garage as a meeting place. J2K, you did a much better job of suggesting what could have happened on the way to the garage. I think that the easiest route to the garage is over the bridge, but I’m not local so I’m just guessing based on maps.
I think that granny saw her in the Surface Lot. Don’t know if Granny would purchase a parking pass if she were just picking up/dropping off and event security probably wouldn’t allow her to sit in the loading/drop off zone for long. If I recall, she arrived pretty early to pick up her grandson. So, if she didn’t have a parking pass and she wasn’t sitting in the loading zone, did she have a handicapped placard? The Surface Lot is where the designated handicapped spaces are (see map) This would back up the statement that she saw Morgan turn towards the arena and the guy for the road.
Sorry, Blink, I guess that was a little ham fisted. I should have said more simply that the friends are probably damned if they do and damned if they don’t. It’s frustrating not to have more info, but I can see why they would not want to self incriminate (tho their facebook pages don’t exactly depict the kind of clean livin’ you’d want yer parents to see, so maybe their behavior is fair game. Heck, maybe it’s a cry for help).
We can only hope that they’ve come clean with LE about the events of the evening, even if we might never be privy to those things ourselves. I have assumed that’s the case, but…maybe they haven’t?
WPG, lord knows I’m with you on the strange behavior of some of the Facebook fellows. Definitely a winner there.
And you are right, he was about to get married.
Is anyone else feeling a bout of schizophrenia coming on?
MSL: what an eloquent statement of how you feel. I will tell you, I agree wholeheartedly about the BB player if he is becoming a father. Babies are precious gifts from God, and newborns seem to have this sixth sense that as soon as we fall to sleep, their tummies need refilling. There is no way I could be a student, on a basketball team and have a newborn, and it would explain his absence. That was my point.
I don’t think the BB players are guilty — I never have. I guess my frustration is: just make a public statement and it stops all the rampant speculation — and I have pointed some fingers.
Not just Blink’s site — this is the only board I leave posts, and I’m lucky to have figured out how to do this — ha — but there are forums everywhere — it’s a sign of the times, I guess — and a lot of the same speculation on those boards, as well —
While none of the people under the microscope do owe us an explanation — the Harringtons have asked for the public’s help — as would I in their shoes — I don’t know what their reasons were for holding back some information, maybe to protect Morgan — I never blamed them for doing so, but it did sting, I have to admit.
As a mom, I veer off into the Land of Overprotective, believe me. My little birdie has flown the coop, and he and his friends are good kids, but I know there are activities I don’t want to know about. I have a good friend who was in the same profession as me, and we were talking the other day about how jaded we are from seeing so much carnage over the years, and how we want to take our own kids and lock ‘em in the basement — and her children are newly married.
but you can’t — and you just have to trust that when (and in some cases “if”) their frontal lobes kick in, what you’ve put in there somehow seeps to the surface. I’ve made a lot of parenting mistakes, but for whatever reason I put my foot down on the Metallica situation and didn’t budge. I bought those tickets in April, I think. And believe me, there were heated discussions and doors slammed over the “you are not driving” issue, even up to the minute we were walking out of the door — and days afterward he was still mad. “Well, it just wudda’ve been cool if I cudda driven.”
I’m sorry for the pain your family member suffered — I mean that sincerely — there was a man here in Richmond – he was the manager of a grocery store, and had a reputation for being honest and upstanding — he “allegedly” made the nightly deposit at the bank — this was at least 25 years ago, so they put the bag into the little slot — and I don’t think they had cameras back in those days — well, no deposit bag in the bank. He was fired. He could not find another job. His marriage fell apart. Lifelong friends abandoned him. His children were embarrassed and they grew apart — he always maintained his innocence (sp? — s or c??) — LE never could make a case, as they had no evidence to charge him — so 25 years later the bank was putting in a new drive-thru window — when they broke the bricks on the wall, the deposit bag fell out — it had fallen down between the wall and the slot — they interviewed him in the paper — he said he was glad to finally be villified, but he lost his life and all those years —
that’s what’s so great about this forum. We have experiencers from every walk of life here, I think. Thank you for reminding us there are real people behind these theories. But I have to be honest, I still just wish some of ‘em would give us a few crumbs and shine some light on their movements. : )
At the risk of angering Blink, I have to disagree that the ballplayers would only provide important information if they knew where Ms. Harrington moved to. If they left her in the lot, or saw her walking toward the Copeley Road Bridge, or passed her on the bridge, that would be important information. If they have no involvement, that information would have contributed to a timeline would not be the answer to her final movement, either crossing the bridge in the direction of Ivy Road or entering a car heading back toward the arena. Perhaps Blink has access to information that we do not have. As I’ve stated many times, if there is any hint a player or anyone else has any involvement in the disappearance then that person needs to be investigated right down to the number of hairs on his/her head. The players are innocent, the friends are innocent, paver guy is innocent, Mr. former EMT is innocent, HH is innocent, everyone is innocent until LE finds the evidence to bring charges, and that person is convicted in a court of law of whatever crime might have been committed. With these comments, I think I’m bowing out of the discussion but will continue to monitor in the hope that someone will come forward with information that leads to a conclusion. Happy New Year to all, and prayers for Morgan and her family and friends.
I am never, ever angered by a respectful dissenting opinion-
HNY
B
(blushing) Oh THAT’s what FP means. Jeezy peasy, i hadn’t seen it..!
ok. and can you ask this ?
edited, lol. No.
B
Oh, Liz — that makes me feel worse — I wonder if she posted what section of the arena her seats were in ? Lord, my kid probably posted on there, too — he’s the one who said his hard-ass mom wouldn’t let him drive — ha — but seriously, I am using his computer — mine died — and metallica is all over it — ugh
but seriously — he had friends who went, as well, and their seats were up on the sides — the other kid found my son in the arena and I read the texts on his phone — shhh — he was texting him during the concert and saying, no, look up, look to the left, etc. they were taking pix w/ their phones — I swear — and instead of looking at James Hetfield standing five feet in front of you — he’s looking at the pix on his phone ….
my point being, if anyone saw her FB post, and they were hell bent on finding her — even in that sea of people, it was possible.
good catch, Liz
Comment by Liz — December 31, 2009 @ 5:05 pm
Skyler, Regarding above comment #1234 I remember seeing weeks ago that Wayne Townsend and Morgan were on a facebook page where every poster put up their picture and announced to the world that they were going to be at that concert. Everyone on that fb page knew she would be there and what she looked like. The link to the fb pages were put up on Websleuths.com. I will try to find it. I remember it was regarding that specific concert and who was going.
Sorry, left out two words and completely ruined a sentence, should have read-Even if they have no involvement, that information would have contributed to a time line, but would not be the answer to her final movement………..Now, I really believe I am saying a goodnight to all.
“They cooperated fully with law enforcement investigators and, like other witnesses interviewed by the police, they provided information that is important to police efforts to establish Ms. Harrington’s movements.”
I have been pondering this statement Blink and have to agree with you.
I believe the initial suspensions had less to do with the fact that the players did not come forward voluntarily, but that they may have admitted to engaging is some activity that night that was unbecoming to the team.
Just speculating and all that jazz.
Your on my cheese.
B
Skyler, I’m back again, just to say thank you for understanding my point of view. Your story about the man from Richmond brought tears to my eyes. I can’t imagine the heartache he felt. Best of wishes and happiness always to you and yours.
Blink, I see. I agree that the poor Harrington’s not having known is odd.
I guess it could just be another case of LE wanting to keep things on the down low in the interest of maintaining the integrity of the investigation.
Amazing recall, Liz — thanks so much for the link — this makes my skin crawl — and in deference to MsL, she is absolutely correct — innocent until convicted — but still —
MsL — please don’t stop posting — your input makes balanced discussion — we need — and more importantly, “want” you : )
I am going to go thru those pages to see if my kid is on there — Gawd !!!
>>Comment by Liz — December 31, 2009 @ 5:12 pm
Skyler, found it!!!
http://apps.facebook.com/ilike/artist/Metallica/event_whose_going?event_id=10291598&page=1
Townsend is on page one, then go to page two where Morgan is seen. Hope the link works. If not let me know and I will try again.
Comment by lizzy — December 31, 2009 @ 5:18 pm
If LE thinks the BB players testimony might be useful in court someday, would they want them talking to the press/blogs now?
Comment by sue — December 31, 2009 @ 5:21 pm
OMG! Could Wayne have cyber stalked Morgan?
I remember that Facebook page, too.
WPG, would you be so kind as to elaborate on the ‘lawn’ and medical report business?
I can’t recall the details. Thanks.
Hey, were any of their FB pages public prior to the Blink Patrol ? Because Sara is on there, too — if “someone” clicked on their pages and there were public posts — like tweets — you potentially could find the cluster core group of attendees —
Morgan looks like a movie star in her picture
Like Ricky said to Lucy: I gotta bad fillin’ about thees !
from Blink:
“Does anyone happen to know if any of the Mom’s/Aunt’s/Sisters of the bball players were on campus the weekend of October17th?”
from mouse:
“That sounds familiar for some reason. Need to check.”
from Blink:
“Leave it to you to drop the Uber Cheese Platter on NYE.
Happy New Year Friend.
B”
Happy New Year to you and yours, Blink.
Much Peace.
p.s. not sure if I can deliver that platter before midnight – - have to wipe all visions of jiggly headcheese out first. Hopefully there’s another that can assist with the October 17 weekend.
Lol, at your Lez-ure then, Love-ee ( Say with teeth clenched like Thirsten Howell)
A little levity — this was back in Feb 09 — VT partakes of the suspended athlete:
Virginia Tech athletic director Jim Weaver announced late this afternoon that men’s basketball player Jeff Allen will sit out Wednesday night’s game at the University of Virginia.
Saturday at Comcast Center in College Park, Allen flipped off Maryland fans with his middle finger, a move that led to his one-game suspension.
Skyler and WPG, look who states he use to be a security guard.
http://www.accessmylibrary.com/article-1G1-153536583/networking-game-involves-using.html
You have to go down the page a little to see the article.
The article is from Oct 2006.
Wonder where he worked security and if he has friends that still are?
localcvillegirl (re: #1231)
Thanks for the detailed local acclimation, girl – you are a deep well of such resources.
(Sounds like we had the same idea for a special, last-minute Christmas gift this year, of the life-changing book variety.)
acho (re: #1236) and, actually, you as well localcvillegirl -
The next question is: did the new, state-of-the-art Emmet/Ivy Parking Garage (built to much acclaim in 2003) have security cameras?
mary/mary too (re: #1239, 1241)
(In fact, “J2K” is a nickname of mine stemming from my days chaotic waitressing with friends at a pub… right around the Y2K panic.)
To be clear, I didn’t mean the BB players were fearful of Morgan, but she likely approached them and talked with them in a way that was, as I noted, “off-putting.” As in, she’s totally drunk and they’re leaving an athletic practice. As in, one/all of them noted something to the effect of MH exhibiting “irrational” behavior in her interaction with them outside of UHall. As in, they might not have wanted to touch her with a 10-foot pole that night, let alone let her in their vehicle – despite her good looks and sweet personality being the traits we’ve come to know her for through pictures and quotes post-facto.
You wrote: “Then we are to believe that they left her there alone in the cold rain obviously in distress without keys, car or friends and she has to BACKTRACK back to the road and then to the bridge to hitchhike?”
Yes. I think she was headed for that Ivy intersection or was directed there by the BB players.
I really don’t know enough of the layout around Copeley Road’s portion near the RV lot and over the tracks to address your concerns, but it seems like if one’s plan was anything other than standing dejectedly in a near-empty lot on a cold, wet night, then one would start off by heading toward that busy, commercial intersection. Not a stretch. Not feeling your incredulousness.
In regard to your horrible experience (#1241), thank you for sharing such a gut-wrenching memory. I can’t imagine what it must be like to know they never caught the guy…
And, I whole-heartedly agree with your knowing observation: “I say this to point out that whatever may have happened inside the concert does not absolutely have to have anything to do with what ultimately happened outside.”
skyler (re: 1242)
You are correct, my friend: J2K is the KO Champ of the household.
And, (((hugs)))).
I understand your frustration at the zips of the lips – but obvs it’s not just the BB players with this modus operandi. It sounds like many direct witnesses – if not all – questioned by LE have waved away any attempts to engage with the press/public over what they know/told investigators. Doesn’t seem odd to me, because staying mum is consistent among the witnesses.
I think MsL made some good points in this regard in (# 1254).
B – (in response to #1262)
“How would they (BB players) know her movements since they left, allegedly? That statement makes sense to me if they know where she moved to.” ~ B
Wood said, “…they provided information that is important to police efforts to establish Ms. Harrington’s movements.”
Its highly likely they knew where she was moving to, and I think their info may have established the ongoing stance by LE that she was hitch-hiking at that intersection. It might not be that they saw her do so, but as she talked to them mere moments before she walked toward that patch of roadway and waved down a car, it would seem more implausible if they claimed to *not know* where she was trying to go/how she planned to get there. Per LE’s questioning of these players, the MH timeline moves forward from 9:10 and accounts for her movements prior to being spotted on the bridge. In my opinion, they’ve proven important witnesses to her demeanor, her situation, her motivation and her general direction once outside the arena that night – and I think that’s all they represent in regard to the case. (Unless you know a leeeeetle more than me.)
I think if LE checked the players’ alibis and found a deception or gap with one/all of them somewhere in their evenings after being the last-known people to interact with MH before she vanished, we’d have a suspect rather than witnesses – but that’s a more hopeful statement than definitive, of course. It just seems to me that if one of them was involved, it would have been rooted out by now. Her case’s lagging, “we-have-no-POI-nearly-three-months-in nature points to LE having a general idea of *what* happened, but not of *who* is behind it.
Btw, I bought two copies of “The Gift of Fear” ($5 on Amazon, people!) for myself and my sister over the holidays. What an utterly Amazing book – I consider it your priceless gift to me and anyone else who was intrigued by and followed up on your recommendation. Thank you.
*clink*
J2k-
I will leave your as usual, byotg post for other readers, but I wanted to comment on your last line.
I am so, so tickled you bought that for you, your sister, and came back to recommend it.
I believe someone will see your endorsement and do the same. Brilliant work.
Own your personal safety, people in 2010!!
*clink* and HNY
B
MsL,
You said: “Mr. former EMT”
He is representing himself as one with that avatar/photo on the Help Find Morgan Harrington FB, or have I misunderstood something.
Blink, you can delete if this is too far off topic — but UVA doesn’t restrict suspensions to the BB team: “as long as he didn’t get arrested ..”
>>UVA QB Peter Lalich was immediately kicked out of school yesterday when he admitted in open court that he violated his probation by drinking while underage to celebrate the end of UVA’s training camp.
The best part of the article is this: Lalich told Judge Robert Downer that he believed he was allowed to drink while on probation as long as he didn’t get arrested. Apparently the whole “underage” concept fails to register with him. <<
just to add more fuel to the fire — here’s an article from the Nov. 19th Cavalier newspaper — apparently there had been some sexual harrassment going on in the library — but read the comments about the crimes allegedly committed by students — “just ask the downtown bar owners…”
I have to go to work — wishing you all a wonderful wonderful coming new year — and that Morgan is found soon —
Tonight is a rare blue moon — unfortunately covered up by clouds here — this is your “once in a blue moon” chance for wonder to happen —
happiness to all — sky (but read this brief article, hmmmm)
http://www.cavalierdaily.com/2009/11/19/safety-first-2/
Sky I heart u.
” Hopeful for wonder to happen”
B
Allow me to contribute something constructive for a change.
I have to say VSP released a whole lotta nuthin’ yesterday, and I whole-heartedly with the people who think the non-mention of the basketball players has to mean something. He left on November 11th originally, and I found this interesting bit of speculation on a sports website:
>>The wait to see Jamil Tucker take the floor in Tony Bennett’s offense is over, but unfortunately not for the fun reasons: he was kicked off the team today for failing to live up to the team’s academic standards.
This bit of news makes me think that one of these two things is likely:
1.) This whole leave of absence has been related to academics, and Jamil had a deadline to return to good academic standing that he failed to make.
2.) The leave was entirely unrelated to academics, but proved to be so stressful and distracting that JT’s studies took a hit as a result of whatever it was.<<
The leave of absence and Assane Sene’s suspension a week earlier were eye-openers, this coupled with their non-mention is hard to ignore.
On another front, there is alot of speculation about MH being slipped the “date rape” drug. Has anyone considered that it could have been a bad trip? I know VSP said that she didn’t willingly do drugs that night. But do they really know that for certain? I’ve been to plenty of concerts when I was younger and really, anything goes on a big night like that for a kid. I mean now at the age of 40, a 2 hour concert probably takes an hour and a half for me to digest. At 20, those 2 hours are a lifetime crammed into one night. It’s entirely possible that she met up with a ‘dead-head’ type of crowd at some point, and secretly took a dose. I remember the first time I tried acid/mescaline/mushrooms, and I can tell those of you that don’t know that the effect it has on you as it is setting in can be anything from gradually mellow to instant panic. The effect it has on your psyche would depend on the drug’s potency/quality (laced?) and your general mood/surroundings. I don’t care how long ANYONE was looking forward to that concert, if you start to trip hard, you lose focus of EVERYTHING except getting the hell out of there. I thought this a long time ago when someone (I think it was Blink actually) asked what type of drug could cause an instant, unpredictable behavior. She could have gone outside, briefly regained herself, and tried to get back in..from there it’s a crap shoot. It would definitely have impaired her judgment severely, but the intent to do so may have never been there from anyone.
I still say, if I was a security guard and I saw this poor girl in such a state, no way would I have left her to her own device. OK, maybe it’s policy not to let her back in, but detain her, call a cop. Something. It reminds me of the case of Jennifer Moore here in NYC, who was out clubbing with her friend, got really drunk, and had parked their car in a garage in one of the more seedier areas of town. The parking lot attendant refused to give them their car because these two (scantily clad teenagers) were inebriated, but, he didn’t offer any assistance in getting them off the street, call a cop, nothing. I can’t understand the mentality of some of these so-called public servants who just want to do their job like a robot with no human compassion.
I’m about done. Happy New Year to all.
I opt for your option B, agreed.
Happy New Year J2K – my incredulousness stems from the fact that had Morgan been heading to the intersection after being directed there by anyone, she would not have crossed the road to the RV lot.
Woah, from your link skyler:
“Also, get your facts straight about Harrington. She has never been confirmed to have been seen with U-Va. students. The men she was with had a camper parked in the trailer lot by JPJ. U-Va. students live in Charlottesville… they do not need campers. The last time she was seen by more than one witness was when she was hitching at the corner of 250 and Copeley. Sounds like a TOWNIE picked her up, doesn’t it? You’re providing points for the wrong side.
(As for being seen on the Lawn, by one witness, she was also seen the next morning at Sheetz in Orange County, by one witness. Can we agree to accept as fact only instances where she was seen by more than one witness? That puts her hitchhiking on 250, getting in the car of any ol’ townie who pulls up.)”
http://www.cavalierdaily.com/2009/11/19/safety-first-2/
B -
“byotg” — love it! You are not only the Queen Of Craptastic Trivia, but you’re the hands-down World Champion of Acronyms.
In regard to reading and giving “The Gift of Fear,” my sister lives in L.A. (Land of People in Need of Reality Checks) and called me on Wednesday when her plane touched down in California (following her visit with me on the East Coast) to gush about the profound effect the first half of the book had on her, as she had devoured much of it during her flight. She could not believe she had never heard of it before, and wanted to purchase copies for her friends and co-workers in L.A. I told her I looked it up online after reading one of your comments a week or so before Christmas, and sat at my desk that evening after everyone else had left for the day in full-on goosebumps mode reading the first 10 “preview” pages (cat-food cans plunking down the stairs story). I had my credit card in-hand as my eyes grazed the last line of that intro. Truly powerful/empowering.
And, I am taking your important NYR proposal, armed with said Gift:
“Own your personal safety, people in 2010!! ~B”
J2K-
Much needed lol. Goosebumps and giggles from you this evening, many thanks.
As you pointed out, the cat food can story stays with me. They all do, but in particular, I felt that one.
B
sorry, that comment was made by
Ben
Nov 19, 2009, 20:23
The discussion of Morgan continues on with the posters there.
http://www.cavalierdaily.com/2009/11/19/safety-first-2/
Blink — we had talked about the two semester rule before. You are simply incorrect on that. It is a rule for suspension from school, not from the team. Tucker has not been kicked out of school — just suspended from the team. UVA lost a player last year for the same reason, and loses 2-3 football players each year for it — always at return of grades time. Tucker apparently had a personal issue that was also interfering with his school work. I don’t know what it is though I have also heard it was related to a pregnancy/birth of a child. He unfortunately missed a grade he needed in order to remain on the team (a privilege not a right). Also, he has his thesis due as a 4th year — I suspect that his personal issue may have knocked that off track (but don’t know).
I respect that and stand corrected. But you have not addressed if he was a member of the student athlete academics program. Was he?
B
MsL – I hope I have not offended you in any way. I respect your opinion. We have discussed many possibilities on this board and I do believe the basketball players part is one of the more uncomfortable. If you knew me, you would know that I do not want any of them to have had anything to do with this!
For all – I read something yesterday that I thought was wonderful advice: If you ever have to use the services of a cab company, as soon as you get in the cab use your cellphone to call someone (the article said call your own voicemail if you don’t have minutes haha). Tell whoever you call that “yea, I just got in cab # whatever and I’ll be arriving at such and such place at such and such time”. That pretty much puts the hiatus on any bad intentions the cabdriver may have had. My town is so small we don’t have cabs, but just thought I would share that. It probably would work in any situation. “I just walked in to so and so’s house, etc.” I haven’t bought the Gift of Fear yet but plan to for my daughter who is on a large college campus. She’s got a pretty good head on her shoulders though. She does have a habit of calling us or her boyfriend when she’s walking somewhere at night and I’m of the opinion she should be focused on her surroundings, not talking on a phone. Anybody have any thoughts on that? She could have it in her hand and dial 911 if need be but I don’t think she’s as alert as she should be when she’s talking on the phone.
I sincerely hope the New Year is wonderful for all of you and that Morgan is found soon.
READ THIS… READ THIS… READ THIS…
OUTSTANDING ADVICE… Yes, I am yelling.
B
Apologies for being so far behind, Sherlock, post 846. Would you please link to that Dr. Harrington interview? I don’t recall him saying the 6PM arrival thing – I probably missed it.
Love your thoughts!
There’s my Girl.
B
I tried to find a link to the entire press conference was unable to locate one. If anyone has a link,I’d appreciate you posting it …
In this link LE states that they have physical evidence, meaning shirt,or blood. I am not sure if he was referring to Morgan’s purse or something more. Blink, do you know?
http://www.wdbj7.com/global/Category…autoStart=true
Happy New Year to all
Correction Sherlock – Post #842 :-p
Momof3,
I wanted to answer your question about the comments on the pictures eventhough the topic has changed. Morgans FB only had two pictures with alcohol in them, both said “before senior year”. She was with Amy and Maggie in both. Someone commented under the picture of Amy holding two bottles of rum, “Hey I bought those”. My opinion is Morgan was probably closer to those girls and it may be related to Morgan changing school for her senior year. The other pictures on there were great, different shots of Morgan looking like a normal young girl. The family should consider releasing those to the public so we have a better idea of what she may look like now. There is a picture of her kissing (Amy?) on the cheek, I’ve seen a couple other places with her kissing a friend on the cheek, that is probably common for them. That is all I remember, if anyone can think of anything else to add please do.
Sorry this will be my last post tonight but — i’ve been posting at home and at work so have had different names. If it’s okay with ya’ll, I’m gonna go with just mary (small m) — to be distinguished from Mary L. Sorry if I’ve broken a rule of forum etiquette by changing names but I am hereby providing full disclosure lol!