Morgan Harrington Case: Virginia State Police On New Search
Charlottesville, VA– Virginia State Police are searching an area of route 64, between mile markers 112 and 114 today in their efforts to locate missing VT student, Morgan Harrington.
Located approximately 4 miles west of Charlottesville, VA, the stretch of highway leads up to an early area of interest, Crozet, VA.
VSP PR Manager, Connie Geller says the area is not being searched based on any new tip.
Check back to blinkoncrime.com for this developing story.
Update #1. Jim Hanchett, Newsplex, reports the search has ended for this area today, and is awaiting any news of other possible search areas.
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In response to Darlene #1218–yes I also find that post disturbing. I hope that site is being monitored by LE as well. I just don’t understand how anyone could mock Morgan. Very upsetting.
EMT’s answered the call for the West Lawn – - a couple of times, if I recall.
Now where is that report EMT report?
My question has been who made the calls for assistance? Maybe someone that saw a person bleeding, staggering, or falling but, by the time they responded the person was gone. Just a thought, I could see myself phoning for help if I wanted to help but, not approach someone who may be belligerent.
#1312: 1800 JPA is a very large apt complex, almost all students, FWIW. It is fairly nearby, definitely a place I could see an impaired Morgan thinking she could walk to.
While we’re on that subject (going a bit OT): All of JPA is students and a likely destination. However, if she took a right on Ivy and walked onto Old Ivy (under RR tracks), she’d quickly be at another large off-campus student complex, Ivy Gardens. That is a mix of undergrads and lots of grad students. Lots of parties (we used to jump fences at the pools there to party late night). And finally, if she thought she could walk just a little further on Ivy Rd proper, she’d be at University Heights (which, FWIW, used to be known as “the” apt complex for UVa athletes). U Heights has had some problems lately (e.g. a homicide in ’08, not sure whether it was solved) and I have no idea whether athletes still choose it. My point is that walking out Copeley to Ivy Rd/250 does not narrow her destinations well for me; she could have been heading to any number of nearby party spots. That was a question some of you posed long ago, sorry for throwing us off track.
And re: the Lawn, can anyone tell us where the “party rooms” are? My husband lived on the Lawn in the early ’90s, and it was tough to do much partying, just small-group, pre-outing drinks. Also, sorry to generalize, but it would *really* stand out if anyone were wearing a black mini and over-the-knee stiletto boots, even at a wedding reception (I wonder if that bride/groom have provided a guest list to LE?). Dare I say the dress in those parts is … understated? My initial wonder had been whether there’d been a break-in in the room(s) near where the delivery woman saw those kids. These residents have to leave their rooms and walk outside to get to restrooms and showers … (although, not to be gross, my husband tells me a lot of them, girls and boys, opt to use their in-room sinks in the middle of the night). You see the premium placed on the prestige of being invited to live in those rooms?! Anyway, point is, a group like what the paper woman describes is hardly the norm on the Lawn, certainly in the wee hours but also, IMO, at any time of day. I still find this report interesting esp. now that Dee claims she went straight home (but do I believe Dee? Not necessarily).
@Redly/Blink: Related to athletes’ special academic prgms, the athletes get tutors and oodles of forewarning, lots but not all of it made public. But Redly is correct, the suspensions are hardly rare … just well documented and amply forewarned. I *really* don’t want the BB players to be involved in any negative way (bad enough, though, that they didn’t come forward on their own), but I don’t like their omission from the press conf.
Blink I know you’re in contact with LE, hopefully campus police too, and I’m sure you’ve inquired about these still-active listings on the crime log. Trusting you will share what you can when you can!
I just added The Gift of Fear to my reading list. Thanks for that and Happy 2010. I am going to try to sit back and stop typing for today. As ever, the Harrington family is on my mind this morning.
Great news on the The Gift of Fear book, and I never doubted many athletes get suspended but I would like to emphasize the timeline leading up to same does not make sense.
B
Good morning and happy new year…I kept up with the posts last night about the stolen purse, Lawn sighting, etc. but was unable to write. The place where the purse was reported to have been stolen was the Park, about 2 miles from JPJ where the UVa softball field is, as well as some nice turf fields used by the Law, Business, and JAG schools for intramural sports. There would have been no reason for Morgan and her friends to have been there at 5:30 unless they were tailgating, which would have been the wrong place to go for an underage drinking party. A group of kids dressed in black and whooping it up would be pretty obvious, and they would have been quickly busted. The Park is usually busy with games, and runners also park here to have access to the Rivannna Trail. My guess is the stolen purse was called in at 9:30, when some girl realized that it wasn’t in her car when she got home. I think both Observer and I have written something about this before.
I do believe the sighting on the Lawn could be a possiblity, but I don’t believe this group was up there partying in one of the rooms. Maybe wondering around, and I’d call it tresspassing except for the fact that it’s state property. MsL, Acho, any of us will tell you that the Lawn is almost sacred here…the kids who live there go through a long vetting process. I don’t believe the students up there would be ones to lie about what did or did not happen. I wonder more about the witness account. She was first struck by the girl’s height, and this girl was taller than two of the boys. Morgan is just 5’6″…she’s my height, and I don’t consider myself tall. If she had on two inch heels she’d still be only 5’8″. Still shorter than most guys. My feeling is that these kids were just partiers, walking through the lawn to get somewhere else, and the witness mistakenly thought they came out of one of the rooms. The girl who’s room it is said she wasn’t even there, and a neighbor concurred. I’m more willing to believe them than this witness, though I know she really wants to help. Since Morgan’s been gone, I’ve seen dozens of young women who look just like her…but they are usuallly walking to class like the rest of the students.
I just wanted to add, in case it has not been talked about already, that there is another excellent book by Gavin De Becker called Protecting the Gift: Keeping Children and Teenagers Safe. I read it when it came out and my daughter was only 3 or 4, now I am reading it again as she just turned 13. It is even scarier the second time around, but opens up a parents eyes. Here’s to protecting our precious gifts.
Yes, I have hesitated going into recommending that follow up because I feel strongly I want people to own and gift, “The gift of Fear” first. I also advocate working through both age appropriately. I don’t want anyone to hand either to a child or tween without supervision and reflection. It is critical, imo.
B
Happy New Years everyone! Just wanted to let you know I ordered 2 “Gift of Fear” for christmas for my daughter and daughter in law. I did forget to order myself one so thats the next thing I will be getting.
RE: #1354 Concerned Mom I also ordered Protecting the Gift: Keeping Children and Teenagers Safe as I have adopted alittle boy who is 6 and mentally challenged. I needed some insight on teaching him about strangers because he is not grasping it, he thinks everyone is his friend….. I have yet to really get into with all the holiday company but this week is gonna be the week.
Blink thank you so much for recommending this book. I am sure its gonna make alot of people more aware of their surroundings and hopefully keep our children safer.
YW. I want everyone to keep a log in the front cover of your book of who you gifted it to, and then ask them to tell you when they gift it, and so on.
B
Blink — CAST is not a program athletes are placed into as a result of grades though almost all take advantage of it (and most are made to by the coaches). It is the tutoring/academic assistance program UVA makes available to athletes to help them through school. It is a selling point for recruits (and really necessary given the insane time commitments the players make and given the difficulty of the score). Tucker will almost certainly have been taking advantage of it all 4 years. I do not believe he is on academic probation as he is still in school (I am not even sure UVA has something called academic probation — they do have warnings and suspensions). He may or may not have received an academic warning (that would not be public info) but it would not be necessary for the coach to determine he was not making enough process to play hoops. Tucker is an average player at best — it will be much more important to him to get his degree than to play this year. BTW — the grad rates for BB players are not close to 94%. They are closer to 50% on average. The entire athletic department is well below 94% also — that stat they use is marketing only as it only refers to the students who use up all there eligibility (i.e., make it all 4-5 years) — it does not count all the kids who drop out along the way (unlike the NCAA) which is a little misleading by the academic department IMO.
On the question about being arrested for public intoxication. In my experience there, you basically have to be causing some other significant problem/falling into the street/getting very belligerent and drawing a complaint from someone etc, and then the arrest can be justified on intoxication grounds. The police are not going to be looking to arrest people for being drunk — if they did, they could arrest 1000+ each weekend.
This link explains how the academic standing system works for the College of Arts and Sciences (he was a student in the college).
http://artsandsciences.virginia.edu/college/grade/academic_standing.html
Happy New Year!
Redly, your post is very informative as always, but for me, it only solidifies my questions regarding this situation.
On the “degree” being more important than playing bball, if you review this guy’s history, coupled with the fact that he graduated from Ind. with high honors, enrolling at UVA as an anthropology major, and your own words he would have taken advantage of C.A.S.T., this is not adding up for me.
Again, could be completely unrelated to Morgan, but have you reviewed the NCAA rules regarding bball players eligibility? Also, if he is still a student, what is the benchmark that allows the variance for academic standards but still remain a student on campus? This guy beefed up for the previous coach, and spent the Summer training to lose 30 lbs for new coach and by all accounts was playing better than he had in years.
Have you reviewed the coverage of the announcement of his “Indefinate Leave.”? Were you aware there was a pressconf scheduled that was called off at the last minute? In short, nobody has ever been able to ask the questions I am posing. I am not suggesting any impropriety on the part of UVA Athletics, so I dont want anyone even going there.
B
Happy New Year all. I am researching the threads today about the purse. Local, yes you are right. I will try to retrieve that info.
Blink you have an excellent point! Perhaps that was Morgan that called it in? What is the time stamp of the stolen purse?
I’ll post the purse thread when I find it.
Observer, can you give us some insight as to this? I believe that you had commented before earlier on another thread that these 2 reports were not related?
Got it, thanks.
B
Happy New Year all. I am researching the threads today about the purse. Local, yes you are right. I will try to retrieve that info.
Blink you have an excellent point! Perhaps that was Morgan that called it in? What is the time stamp of the stolen purse?
I’ll post the purse thread when I find it.
Observer, can you give us some insight as to this? I believe that you had commented before earlier on another thread that these 2 reports were not related?
I am not the lovely and talented, and yes, brilliant, observer, but I know her position on this.
She feels the purse is irrelevant to the investigation. I can also tell you LE shares this thought.
I do not.
B
Acho, sorry…your post came up just as I punched mine through. I think we agree on most everything, including really hoping that the bb players are innocent. I feel that we’ll just have to let that part play itself out.
I know the purse has been discussed and dissected but I think it is very relevant. I believe the two incidents are related, ie purse stolen and purse found. Maybe they aren’t allowed to tailgate in the parking lot closest to the stadium. Not enough space. Maybe kids were tailgating in parking areas away from the stadium. Very feasible in my opinion. Also, there were a lot of people milling around for various reasons other than the concert and I would think the police were concentrating on the area closest to the stadium. I don’t necessarily think that kids tailgating (unless they were totally unruly) would draw attention from the police. Afterall, this is a college campus.
Also, if a purse was stolen out of a vehicle, wouldn’t there have to be signs of forced entry? Did the kids leave the vehicle unlocked with a purse and probably other items left in sight? Maybe they did leave it unlocked and Morgan went back to her car and discovered her purse missing? She then reports it missing at, coincidentily (tip Blink) around the same time she is outside of the arena? She may have just taken some cash, cell phone and ticket into the concert. Travel light.
We don’t have enough details to truly connect the incidents but we don’t have enough to say they are unrelated either. Just my thoughts.
But you are the intelligent, lovely and most talened Blink! I’m buried in your archives now…….(waving) I’m at this very moment a purse post seeker , but I did come across this post, concerning WT. Since there is some chatter on WT, here is a early post from Sal. Thought I would share. Now, back to my mission.
I guess it struck me with re newed interest in wt when someone posted I forget who yesterday, that mentioned that he and Morgan both posted on the internet that they would be at the concert.
Comment by Sal — November 1, 2009 @ 4:40 pm
Blink -
Re the person I mentioned last night. You are correct that is the person I was referring to. Here is more info from his own posts….he admits he worked part time at the arena:
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=162224546575&topic=10368
(see post 19)
Not only has he been a security guard but he is currently a volunteer EMT and involved in search and rescue in the area. He would definitely know the area well. Here is another quote fom that same site:
“As I’ve told Kristin, I am an EMT and involved with search and rescue in this area. Monday afternoon I called all surrounding counties police departments asking if any sort of organized volunteer searches had been setup. As of that time none had given me any indication when this will happen. I was informed to continue to monitor fire/rescue channels and when and if they do put out a request I will inform everyone here on this group.”
MONITOR FIRE AND RESCUE CHANNELS….he could be listening in to see how close they are getting IF he were the perp.
Have you looked into him at all? He has a strange porn fetish and I will leave it at that. I think you have my e-mail b/c I have to enter it to post. If you want to know more, e-mail me or if it’s ok to lay it all out here, just let me know and I will post it.
You may already know this and have good reason to not consider him. Something about him just doesn’t sit right with me. I trust your judgement as you are much better at this stuff than me.
Waving back. Does he know the other security dude, DW? Not his name, but on his myspace.
B
Comment by BlackPearl — December 31, 2009 @ 2:30 pm
Re: #1207 Comment by cvillenative — December 31, 2009 @ 12:50 pm
You and I are marching to the beat of the same drummer right now. Let’s explore this scenario further.
“In my opinion the effects that I read about date rape drugs are very much in alighnment with Morgan’s reported behavior that night. If she did indeed fall–and got a bloddy chin because she didn’t get her hands out in front of her to break her fall– then that points to impaired motor skills and coordination. Supposedly when she got up she didn’t respond to the woman who witnessed her fall– because her speech or perception was impaired? She was either ejected from the arena for appearing extremely intoxicated (drugged) or she left on her own, perhaps because she was confused, disoriented, nauseated, dizzy…generally not feeling well. She is seen stumbling around, dropping her purse repeatedly. If she kicked that man and/or got into a disagreement with a female security guard as I have seen reported, then that supports the agression that may be a result of date rape drugs. I am more strongly feeling that this is what happened to our dear Morgan. Even her mother’s statements about rape and murder seem to support this hypothesis.”
That is very much in line with my experience. My memories of that night are few and fuzzy, but I do know I eventually had trouble walking. My friends helped me, though. I did not get aggressive; quite the opposite, in fact. But then, I was not seperated from my friends and outside a concert I had been waiting 6 months to see. I was actually very agreeable. One of the few things I remember from later that evening is that the guy who brought me the drink was getting very grabby. I knew that wasn’t something I wanted, but it never occurred to me to resist. My friends got me away from him. I honestly think that if I had been alone and someone offered me a ride, I would have gotten in the car. It is worth noting, though, that I was not totally incoherent and uncoordinated. My friends got me safely to my front door, but I got myself inside, changed clothes, and went to bed without help.
The lack of coordination makes me think it is possible that she could have fallen off of the bridge, but it sounds like the police are already following up on that. I have heard speculation that she could have fallen into a coal car passing under the bridge. Does anyone know what happens next for coal cars once they reach their destination? Is there any kind of process that would automatically dump them into a furnace, meaning a body would never be found?
Also, I have not been over the Copeley bridge in a long, long time, and don’t remember the exact relationship of the RV lot to the bridge. For those who have been over it more recently, would it have been possible for Morgan to have dropped her purse from any point on the bridge and have it land in the RV lot? A drop from high up could explain why the contents were spread, and the battery could have bounced away from the other contents.
Oh, and I meant to say Happy New Year everyone!
Comment by redly — January 1, 2010 @ 12:07 pm
“(I am not even sure UVA has something called academic probation — they do have warnings and suspensions).”
Kind of off topic, but UVA at least used to have Academic probation. Both my roommate and my sister were on it at various times.
Can’t speak to my roommates’ high school grades, but I do know my sister had been a straight-A student in high school. The academic probation I am referring to is a strictly academic thing – neither my roommate nor my sister were atheletes.
if Morgans purse WAS stolen, would this make sense as to:
(1) why the belongings were strewn in various places; and the purse ultimately discarded with her ID, etc (thief took what they wanted or could re-sell (?camera, cell battery?)and tossed the rest;
(2) why the police dont feel it is relevant because it would only serve to track the various wanderings of the THIEF, not Morgan?
happy new year to all!! wonder why the press cant get any interviews from any of these witnesses? whats jamill’s plans now ? early draft? cant jim hanchett or nancy grace come up with a good spin to ease these people fears about publicity?/(just sayin).vital info only le has : who was she texting? what was she texting,what did she say to bb players?.cant her male friends organize and lead a gentleman’s search with their boys ? they could search deeper or re-search where le has been,(pantops),(1-64)? .surely The Park searched for clues,wasnt it?
WT Tid bits……comments from Pamtx ( I miss her posts) Not to the purse thread yet, but visiting old posts on WT. Interesting……..
Comment by PamTX — November 3, 2009 @ 12:25 pm
Re: #77 response and #81 radiogirl (and anyone else) —
OK Blink, I just wasn’t sure if it was appropriate to post — thanks! Here is the myspace referenced:
http://www.myspace.com/silverity —
He goes by DW and obviously works for RMC Events, Inc. (at least according to his friend Sarah as she frequently references it). If you click onto Sarah’s myspace one of his posts (around the date Morgan vanished) to Sarah was in reference to Morgan.
Strange that this particular post to his friend Sarah made it appear as though he didn’t know her…but underneath his “DW” name and posted by his “mood”….well, you will see.
IMO he’s just plain creepy…others may see differently.
Sorry to be off topic, carry on guys.
Whoops…..I mean DW. Sorry. (tip toeing away)
#1367 (2)but couldnt the thief have info about what happened to her?and reason to not come forward?the Rants and Raves section of craigs list should be be reviewed by le(as it would have to be official ,i would presume ,to get back posts,that have since expired)for the month of october,and maybe november.as it had postings pertaining to muggings and purse snatchings.
Morgan and her friends certainly could have been tailgating at the Park before the concert, but this would then lead me to believe that they were not partying with any locals or UVa students. They were on their own with their own little party of JMU, VT, and New River Community College students (or wherever Amy goes.) If they were concerned about not getting caught drinking, they would have made a bad choice. I’m betting LE knows (or at least I hope they know) exactly where this group was from the time they left JMU until the time they went into the concert. I have no reason, either, to believe David Gardner when he says that Morgan did not appear to have been drinking when she got to the parking lot. I still feel like there are so many holes in this story…and that the whole story started way before the time of the concert. Ugh, frustrating.
susan — jamil has no shot at getting drafted and never did. UVA has one player in the pros in the last decade. Jamil is an average college player (to be kind).
cville — I think the CLAS calls it academic warning; engineering/commerce schools call it probation.
blink — UVA’s academic standards are unrelated to the NCAAs. They are based on progress towards graduation. In most cases they are higher than the NCAAs (hence the numerous athletes that get suspended but can transfer other places and play), but I know of at least one case where they were less (the NCAA disqualified the player because of a failure to meet minimum GPA requirements, while UVA did not suspend him from school because there was a subjective reason for his failure to complete a class (his brother was murdered during the semester). Tucker graduated with honors from a high school in gary, indiana. That would not be close to enough to get him admitted to UVA. The average sat for nonathletes at UVA is 1350, the average for FB/BB players is about 1000. UVA also does not have majors designed to keep athletes eligible. When you combine the time commitment, that is why they need the tutoring programs (and tremendous work ethic) to have a chance. Jamil made it for 3 plus years. I have heard that some personal issue arose that interfered with his focus this semester — who knows, maybe it is related to morgan but I suspect not. I certainly hope they have fully cooperated with LE.
Redly, maybe someone objective should weigh in because the more you write on the matter, the more I am convinced that whether or not it is Morgan related, this is hinky.
What would your opinion be if I confirmed that JT was interviewed by LE?
B
I love this site and read it nearly every single day, and have only posted to ask minor questions, but i just had to say this:
I just turned 24 this month, and this past March, my mom, who i was always extremely close to, passed away from an illness she’s had since I was young. She died in Michigan, while I was driving up from VA (where I live now for my job), and I never got to say goodbye. My mom taught me so many things in life, and one of them was to ALWAYS be aware of my surroundings. She was like some of the moms on this board–always wanted to know when I was working, what I was doing, who I was with, when I planned on being back, etc. I was always completely honest with her, and over time I appreciated her so much, and everything she taught me, especially as I got older and had to walk to the store at night alone, or when I would be at clubs or shows where I knew some not so innocent people would be hanging around me.
I just wanted to let every mom on this board know that your kids do understand, even if we seem like we don’t. I hate hearing about cases like Morgan’s, and I always put myself in her shoes, because I go to concerts a lot, and walk to the bathroom, and go get a drink, and this and that.
Please never, ever stop being those curious parents that you are, because it honestly saves lives. More parents need to be that way. I am so thankful every day that my mom was so “paranoid” (as I thought when I was younger). Due to her experiences in the sixties as a party girl, she had seen some things, and she was damn well set on me never having to experience them, and at 24, I can say that I’ve been unharmed.
Another thing she taught me, be careful who you trust, and I don’t hear this one much anymore, but you ARE who your friends are. From day one of this case, I’ve just felt this strange feeling in my stomach about these friends. If Morgan told them she was off to some party that the had previously known about, that makes more sense, but otherwise, and if she was that impaired, I don’t buy it. I would never get drunk, or put myself in a situation like that with people who would let me wander off, unless it was with someone they also greatly trusted …
My mom sparked my interest in true crime, and I hope from my *slight* obsession with this site, and others, I continue learning, even after she’s gone.
And I’ve just added “Gift of Fear” to my wishlist on Amazon. I think she’d approve.
Thanks to all of you great parents out there. Thoughts with Morgan’s every day.
Rachelle, you brought tears to me today. What a wonderful and loving tribute you are to your Mom. I am sorry for your loss, but I can see you were very fortunate to have the Mother who taught you well.
Thank you and welcome.
B
I think I have said all I can on it. Just trying to provide some info about the academic situation there (as it is fairly unusual compared to most big school programs), not to be argumentative. I was aware (from you) that he was one of the ones supposedly interviewed. But she apparently met 4 members of the team — so that is about a 33% chance. Keep up the good work
Redly- I did not find you argumentative at all, informative, yes. I am just stating that I think our loads are leading to the same place.
B
Comment by localcvillegirl — January 1, 2010 @ 11:29 am
localcvillegirl,
Hello and and happy new year to you.
If it is all right, I would like to respond to some of your comments from your post of January 1, 2010 @ 11:29 am (not using a comment # because the numbers change as comments are moderated before posting).
Your insight as a Charlottesville resident is most valuable.
“The place where the purse was reported to have been stolen was the Park, about 2 miles from JPJ where the UVa softball field is, as well as some nice turf fields used by the Law, Business, and JAG schools for intramural sports. There would have been no reason for Morgan and her friends to have been there at 5:30 unless they were tailgating, which would have been the wrong place to go for an underage drinking party. A group of kids dressed in black and whooping it up would be pretty obvious, and they would have been quickly busted. The Park is usually busy with games, and runners also park here to have access to the Rivannna Trail.”
I thought perhaps they were there for an athletic game, pre-concert, or something sports related. Dan the driver is a college baseball player after all, so it does not surprise me that they (or he) may have been there. You mention tailgating – - is this what you believe was actually occurring at that time in The Park rather than any sports, or were they both happening. Also, we don’t know what any of Morgan’s friends were wearing, just Morgan who was dressed in all black. If you could expand on “a group of kids dressed in black” it would be most appreciated, as there is a big window of unaccounted time from 2pm in Crozet when Morgan called her Dad to say she arrived safely to pickup SS and Dan, to the time the concert started.
“The girl who’s room it is said she wasn’t even there, and a neighbor concurred.”
Actually, no, localcvillegirl, the girl who’s room is it has never commented, at least not publicly. We know nothing about her except that she may not be blonde, based only on what a male student neighbour commented to The Hook:
(snipped from The Hook article, I have posted more from this article upthread at sue’s request, December 31, 2009 @ 9:04 pm):
… The female student who lives in the room Parson identified did not respond to repeated inquiries from a reporter, but a neighboring student says police interviewed him and his neighbors following Parson’s tip.
“There is no blond girl who lives along this stretch,” says John Griffin, a Fourth Year engineering student, who lives next door, near Pavilion VII.”…
http://www.readthehook.com/blog/index.php/2009/11/15/concerned-witnesses-before-hitching-morgan-harrington-caused-worry/
I am puzzled by his response as it was known that Morgan did not “live” there, only that she may have been seen. Perhaps he was making a point that NO blonde could have been seen, as no blonde “lives along this stretch”, but unless he was home and outside all night to observe, he really can’t make that observation that no blonde was ever there – - even in close vicinity to the room, can he?
again, from The Hook article:
“Griffin says these rooms are among the quietest on the Lawn and that neither he nor the woman whose room the Morgan lookalike was allegedly seen exiting were home on concert night.”
localcvillegirl, you also say of the The lawn residents:
“I’m more willing to believe them than this witness, though I know she really wants to help.”
Perhaps you have more insight into The Lawn residents/neighbours as you live in Charlottesville, and I can appreciate that, but I, as an observer from afar, can only give equal weight to Miss Parson at this point.
I do value your input. Thank you.
Hello dear posters and Blink…HNY to all. I have not posted in a while but still check in at least a couple of times a day. I have nothing new to add to the posts (and don’t want to discuss any of more of my “feelings” as most folks think that stuff is not worthy of discussion anyway….cant say as I blame anyone as all we can really rely on is what facts are known). Anyway, here is my question, to all of you but esp. Blink. My daughter(a UVA student)is in UVA/Charlottesville for much of the break because of her work situation…I continue to be uneasy about her there, especially now that she is there “alone” (most students/friends are at home)and the fact that Dan M. and LE (?)feel that Morgan’s disappearence is connected to someone in C’ville….your thoughts?
YW, wpgmouse.
1. Sue/suz: I agree.In my own life I’ve had only success when finding and returning wallets, work and college ID’s, briefcases, and the like to their owners–it does not require a degree in forensics, just a little common sense and Internet savvy. Leaving the case open makes no sense, unless the UVA PD are trying to lure in the owner of the ID for questioning or more.
2. Do the “separated” BB players (= JT,AS), or their teammates, live in JPA?
Skyler…thanks for the Wayne T links. I was trying to make out the logo on his maroon polo shirt but can’t see the name…which emergency service does he work for, can you tell? Is he from Fluvanna? I’d love to be able to see his whole list of friends.
Blink…I work in data entry for police dept. I enter police reports for the officer. Time of occurrence is when the item (or person) was last seen. The report could have been cancelled prior to police officers arrival. The person will call 911 back to say they can’t wait any longer and will usually come into the precinct the next day to make a report. Hope that helps…..
I’ve realized that when thoughts come to mind, I just have to let them out. First, let me make it clear, I know absolutely nothing about the basketball player being discussed so frequently here. He could be a fine young man, or he could be a jerk and even worse. If I have sounded defensive for him, it’s only because I feel sorry for the young man I sincerely hope he is. Let me throw out a possible scenario without any basis at all in fact. From his basketball profile, he was probably raised in a single mother household, maybe with not a lot of money for college. If that is the case, then it was probably the answer to a mother’s prayers that he received a scholarship to UVa. Worries about the son’s educational prospects over, and possibly a pro-career waiting after college. He comes to UVa, never achieves the basketball success hoped for, and is not an outstanding student even though he did very well in high school. Reaches his senior year, grades haven’t improved, maybe even aren’t up to the previous spring semester. Knows he is in danger of not being able to remain on the basketball team. On top of that, he gets surprising (maybe happy, but maybe stressful) personal news. On the night of October 17th, he and a couple of other teammates finish practice at U-hall (not the arena) and head toward their cars. Along comes a very attractive young lady who appears to be a bit high. She engages them in conversation, says she is looking for a ride, possibly to Tech, possibly to JMU or just to someplace in Charlottesville. Virginia plays sports in the ACC, same conference as Duke and the once infamous lacrosse team. These young men aren’t blind, they recognize how attractive this young woman is, but having either been warned by their coaches, or just from their own personal feelings, realize, hey she could be trouble. They say sorry, can’t help you, get in their car(s) and drive away, leaving her alone or heading toward the Copleley Road bridge. Horrors, on Sunday evening or perhaps Monday, they hear a young blonde woman in a black mini-skirt and boots has not been seen since the concert happening at the arena on Saturday night. Could it be the same young woman? Either they decide, we don’t need the trouble, or they can’t decide what they should do, but the limo driver identifies them before they voluntarily go to the authorities. LE tracks them down and takes their information. Two of the players take the matter in stride, but one, already in emotional turmoil from bad grades and a personal issue, just can’t get over the fact that they left the young woman alone in that parking lot, and now she’s missing. If only they or he had done something, this would have never happened. With this self-imposed guilt added to his other problems, he realizes he can’t concentrate on school and basketball so he takes a voluntary leave of absence. He thinks he’s getting himself together, so he makes plans to return to the team, but grades still are not good enough. Maybe exams will change everything, but no, his academic situation only worsens, and the coach has no alternative but to dismiss him from the team. Do I know any of this for fact? No. I know nothing about what might have happened other than the fact Morgan has not been seen since that night. I know nothing about this young man’s character, but if he is a good person who has had problems with grades and other personal issues, then IF he was in that parking lot and did talk to Morgan, this certainly has not helped him get his academic and personal life back in order. If he or anyone else who saw Morgan that night are anything but innocent witnesses, then they deserve whatever might happen to them.
Got it.
B
Hi All,
I posted one of observers earlier posts, since we all have been discussing most of the subject matter in her post, including the purse.
Comment by Observer — November 12, 2009 @ 3:43 pm
I apologize in advance for the length of the following commentary.
I work in very close proximity to the JPJ arena and have been following this case since its inception. I have not commented earlier but instead have been reading the posts, following the media, and trying to piece together the puzzle of Morgan’s disappearance. In that vein, I offer the following observations:
1. Keys – One of Morgan’s friends drove Morgan’s car from Harrisonburg to Charlottesville. It is easy to assume that this friend held on to the keys when the group arrived at JPJ. This is why, when Morgan left the arena, she was unable to get into her car parked in the adjacent UHall parking lot. It’s easy to understand why, when she did talk by phone w/ one of her friends, she did not ask for someone to try to “pass” the keys outside to her, as she’d told her friends she’d find a ride home. [Whether “home” was rendezvousing back in Harrisonburg on Sat. evening after the concert or on Sunday morning is unclear. What is clear, however, is that Morgan intended to eventually end up back in Harrisonburg one way or another, where her car would end up after having been driven back by her friend after the show. Morgan’s only way back to Roanoke from Harrisonburg on Sunday (and her roommate’s only way back to Blacksburg on Sunday) would have been in Morgan’s car. [Remember: Morgan and her roommate originated their trip to the concert by leaving the Blacksburg area together in Morgan’s car.]
2. Only three options remain open:
a. Morgan planned her departure at the concert and intended to leave behind the life she’d known. I think this scenario is highly unlikely for several reasons, not the least of which is that, for all intents and purposes, her life was stable and going well. There is no evidence at this time of a reason why she would want to “leave everything and start over”. Given the closeness of the family, it’s also unlikely she would intentionally continue to put her family through the horrific trauma they are now experiencing as a result of her disappearance.
b. Morgan was abducted and is alive somewhere being held against her will. Again, I think this scenario is unlikely, as most abductions result in the victim’s murder. There are two recent exceptions to this scenario: Elizabeth Smart and Jaycee Duggard. Both of those victims, however, were very young when they were abducted. Victims who are abducted who are older—as in the case of Morgan—are extremely difficult to manage, control, and manipulate for any significant period of time. This is especially important in Morgan’s case, as she is by all accounts a very bright, independent, and capable young woman. An abductor would have a very difficult time holding anyone but a very young victim against their will for anything more than a brief period of time, after which time they would resort to murdering their victim. They could not simply allow their victim to go free, as the victim could identify his/her abductor and provide LE with a mountain of clues to lead them to the abductor.
c. Morgan was abducted and subsequently murdered.
3. Did Morgan know her abductor, e.g., had she met someone on-line earlier who she believed was a good person and planned to meet him IRL at the concert, or was she the victim of a random assailant that evening? This is actually immaterial—unless, that is, LE can identify and track the digital footprint of this individual through Morgan’s computer, e.g., IM’s, Facebook, email, and cell phone records—all of which have assuredly been well-scoured by LE by this time. Had LE been able to identify a person of interest, they would have this individual under constant surveillance and would have made every attempt to determine if he was either holding Morgan against her will or had murdered her. If LE has been able to ID a POI, they are intentionally (and wisely) keeping such information confidential. They would not want the POI to know that they were being surveilled as it could lead to their “going to ground” (going into deep hiding) and/or the POI could intentionally lead them away from wherever Morgan is—dead or alive. LE is maintaining confidentiality of certain information and not releasing it to the general public for a reason, not the least of which is the a POI would be monitoring all the websites and media coverage of Morgan. Perpetrators of such crimes are often compelled to “watch their own press” and maintain an avid interest in the media flurry surrounding such an abduction.
4. Why did LE allegedly wait three weeks to initiate a volunteer ground search? LE appropriately began their ground search for Morgan almost immediately upon the realization that she was not a walk-away. An air and ground search was initiated for the immediate area in an attempt to obtain any evidence that might lead to finding out what happened to Morgan. I believe that LE called off the search because they have every reason to believe that Morgan is no longer in the Charlottesville area. I believe that LE held that a continued or wider search would be a wasted effort that could be better re-directed to find and return Morgan. LE later supported the Harringtons’ desire to use the Laura Recovery Center, however, to effect a larger-scale volunteer search for these reasons:
a. It allowed understandably frustrated community members to engage actively in helping to bring Morgan home, providing an appropriate outlet for their frustration, energy, and desire to help.
b. It allowed the Harringtons to be comforted in the knowledge that a much broader area had been searched.
c. It allowed LE to underscore their earlier belief that Morgan is no longer in the CVille area.
d. It provided LE with the additional and extensive manpower necessary to recover any trace evidence that might still be in the area.
e. It allowed this missing person’s case to remain in the media and in the forefront of everyone’s mind.
5. Flyers – While posting flyers around the country is an admirable effort, I believe it will not prove fruitful. A flyer might remind someone if they saw Morgan; however, I do not believe that the abductor at any point allowed Morgan to be seen by anyone, nor do I believe that Morgan was taken to an area outside of a 25 mile radius of Charlottesville. The Charlottesville community has been inundated by flyers and media coverage, so if anyone in that area had seen Morgan they would have reported it by this time.
6. Friends – Blaming Morgan’s friends is another futile exercise. Anyone might second-guess the friends and their choices and behaviors that evening. All the speculation in the world and blame targeting Morgan’s friends will do nothing to advance this case.
7. Purse and cell phone – Many have asked why, if Morgan was purportedly seen on the Copeley Bridge, would her purse and cell phone be left or found “behind” her at the Lannigan Field RV lot? Some conjectured that she dropped it there earlier, by mistake, before heading down to the Copeley Bridge. It may be worth considering this scenario: Morgan left JPJ. She walked through the UHall parking, and into the Lannigan Field RV lot–all with purse in hand (or, on her back if it’s a type of “backpack-purse”). She then proceeds to Copeley Bridge. [She is reported to have been seen on both sides of the bridge—both walking with traffic headed toward Ivy Rd. and on the other side—the only side with a sidewalk—walking facing traffic that was headed toward JPJ and the UHall area.] If the abductor is headed toward JPJ, he stops, convinces Morgan to get into his vehicle (remember, it is misty, dark and 42 degrees outside and Morgan is only wearing a tee-shirt; no jacket or coat), drives directly to the Lannigan RV lot (only feet away), disables her, discards her purse out the vehicle window, and leaves the area with Morgan. If Morgan’s cell phone was in her purse (her mini-skirt probably did not have pockets), the cell phone battery could easily have fallen out on impact. This logic also prevails given that the individual who found the items on Sunday morning and turned them in—both purse and phone—found them closely adjacent to one another. The very small size of a cell phone battery could be easily overlooked, especially if it fell in the RV lot where vehicles after the concert would run over it when departing the lot. Other than a meticulous visual search of the area, the cell phone battery might only be found by using a metal detector. To date, no one has made mention of use of a metal detector in an attempt to local the missing battery. As stated by the VSP in one of their earliest news conferences, the absence of the cell phone battery is not considered material to this investigation.
To those who might question how an abductor might cajole Morgan (or any other victim) into a vehicle, it is enormously easy for a charming and otherwise skilled person. It would not be difficult to gain Morgan’s trust by offering a quick ride, e.g., back to the JPJ area, indicating that it is not safe for a young woman to be walking around by herself at night. An abductor can gain the trust of his victim by focusing on the danger she might otherwise be in without his “help”. Serial murderers are masterful manipulators who target their prey just as animals do in the wild. If Morgan was at all under the influence of any substance that made her an even greater—and easier—target not only to abduct, but to subsequently subdue.
A final cautionary word to all: Beware of believing all that you read—including my own conjecture above. Given the media storm and cyber coverage of this event, massive miscommunication is occurring daily. This serves only to cloud the investigation and waste LE’s time having to pursue purported “leads” that are little more than loosely-connected pieces that do not actually fit. Everyone’s heart is the right place; we just have to exercise good judgment as we each attempt to assist LE and the Harringtons in successful resolution of this puzzling and most disturbing case.
Observer- welcome to blinkoncrime and you certainly make an entrance. I would ask all reviewing this case to read this post. I can tell you first hand there are things in it that the general public would not know. Observer, I appreciate you pointing out the immediate search activity on behalf of LE. It is my understanding thermals were also generated quickly.
B
Comment by JNO — November 12, 2009 @ 4:23 pm
in response to # 158,i did read in another forum(can’t remember the specific one) where an eyewittness did see morgan taking pictures,but she also said morgan’s back was to her but she did see flashes like a camera would put out.and yes if she did have a camera it would at least prove she was at jpj and inside.and then we are back to the main ?,why she left the venue and went outside.
Lots to catch up on but going slowly due to scrambled head. Omelette lust left much to be desired this a.m.
The purse theft report from The Park, could have been a coincidence and suspended when the caller said, “oh, I found it.” It also could be a coincidence that JT got into academic trouble in October due to his personal issues, did not avail himself of tutoring, was warned (given a month?) and ended up off the team, yet still at University. However, by the time someone is into the final year, they pretty much know their way around the subject area and are enjoying mastering some of the finer points. The thesis is a bugger, though, and that might have been part of it.
In my wildest mind, I imagine the suspended call at The Park was due to a “helpful person” who told MH, “I’ll help you find your purse, forget them.” (Or, “I’ll drive you to their office since they can’t seem to understand a word you’re saying…”) Yet, the proximity of that scene is so far from Morgan’s sightings and, while it can’t be ruled out, I am thinking it is very unlikely related to her case.
How do we view these so-called “coincidences”? I think it’s best not to dismiss them and be ‘wary as serpents, gentle as doves’ (WG translation). We should keep a watchful eye on anyone remotely connected to this case.
On the baseball game possibility–maybe redly knows–but I believe they play January to June, but practice (in some form) goes on all year.
More info on the purse. We’re getting to the strap broken or not. Also, this discusses some vids.
This is really fun going back to earlier posts. It refreshes and also the info is fresh.
Comment by Gypsy DD — November 14, 2009 @ 10:54 am
The backpack purse to me is a huge clue..being found in the RV parking area where both the limo driver and the 3 BB players last saw Morgan..discountng the bridge sighting. The strap was broken, some items were missing and the phone was found with it without the battery. Certainly she would not have left her purse with her ID in it or her cell phone. This says to me that she was abducted at that point and a struggle ensued there prior to the abduction. Or she was abducted at another point, where a struggle ensued. Then whoever was watching her as prey prior to abduction returned the backpack and phone to that area because they had seen her interact with others in the RV area.
DD- was there any clarification as to how the strap was broken? I know Gil stated the purse had a handle which unzipped and converted a single strap into 2, allowing it to be used as a backpack.
B
Comment by Gypsy DD — November 14, 2009 @ 12:27 pm
Blink..I just remember reading that when the purse was found one of the straps was broken. But..there has been so much misinformation out there as well….
I’ll start posting at the new thread..sorry to still be over here.
Comment by Observer — November 14, 2009 @ 7:35 pm
To Sherlock, re: your 209 post:
I do not believe and have not believed that at any point LE has been able to make a positive video identification of Morgan inside the arena. [Emphasis on the word "inside".] I still believe that LE has every reason to believe that Morgan did, in fact, enter the arena, exit it at some point prior to Mettalica taking stage, and make at least one attempt at re-entry. I share that view but would be remiss to comment further.
Morgan’s reason(s) for exiting JPJ are as yet unclear. Whether she: a) was disoriented enough that she unintentionally exited; b) exited as a result of “enticement” by another party–either planned or unplanned by the other party; or c) exited as part of a pre-established plan on her part, is also unclear.
Absent corrobating and confirmed information to the contrary, I maintain that Morgan was abducted by an individual she knew, e.g, planned to meet there that evening, or she was the unfortunate victim of stranger abduction. I further maintain that the UVA basketball players in no way contributed to Morgan’s disappearance.
LE is releasing certain information, at specific times, in very specific ways, in order to further the investigation. [Again, I would offer an example here but that would be counterproductive to their efforts.] Putting the pieces together is a time-consuming and arduous task. Identifying witnesses, determining their reliability, cross-referencing with other witness accounts, etc. is accomplished neither quickly nor easily. It is an exercise in patience and diligence on the part of LE.
I understand everyone’s anxiety to bring this case to closure as quickly as possible for the sake of the Harringtons. I share in that desire, especially given that this horrific event occurred right here, in my own community.
Patience and diligence are our touchstones at this juncture.
Wow. I hope your coming up for air on occasion.
IN my mind, where we are:
necklace is key- to whom and why? Is this something that was burglarized that night?
Nobody cares about the purse, yet Geller felt the necklace could have been dropped with the purse- How is the necklace relevant but not the purse then?
Makes me think the necklace was recovered, but that it was not known it was Morgan’s, or it really was not hers, but they wanted to know who it belonged to, possibly generating a lead of someone’s associates.
We have HER car parked there, but irrelevant to the investigation. Huh? They are basing it on someone else having her keys? Yet, THERE ARE NO PLANS TO MEET UP WHATSOEVER AFTER THE CONCERT..
Was seen hitchhiking, yet no “getting into a car”.
I keep coming back to the same place. They know where she was, she was there by choice or impairment and nobody is talking.
Ugh.
B
I’m very familiar with teaching at UVa and the sorts of support and supervision that athletes receive. Redly’s descriptions of these issues are very, very accurate.
The baseball team was in the middle of their Blue/Orange World Series during the weekend of October 17th, but did not have a game scheduled for the 17th (from Virginiasports.com) Just so there’s no misunderstanding of the facilities, The Park is not the baseball facility. The baseball team plays at Davenport Field, located behind the RV parking lot. Could be the reason no game was scheduled on the 17th because of the close proximity to parking required for the concert.
I should read everything before I comment then I wouldn’t have so many posts. Since there are several of us here locally who follow this board, figure we can all give some answers that might otherwise not be available. I’ve said once before that I start at the end and read backwards, so a comment to NYMom, Sene is not a “separated” player. He was suspended for actions detrimental to the team, or breaking of team rules, I’m not exactly sure how it was worded, but the suspension was only for 3 games. Have no idea what action caused the suspension. It might have taken more games for him to actually play again. Don’t attend a lot of basketball games, can’t afford season tickets. Was at the recent game with UAB, special package with hot dog and drink included. Offered usually when students are on break. Sene played in that game as he had in several others since his suspension ended. Tucker had already been dismissed from the team.
baseball is a spring sport but they do practice in the fall and were actually holding their orange/blue exhibition games in october. The Park is softball though.
http://www.virginiasports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17800&ATCLID=204814136
Hi wpgmouse, good points in your post above. Let’s see, where to start…I do not know Ms. Parsons from the Lawn room, or her neighbors, but I’m sure that at this point, everyone from the Dean of Students Affairs (lives right there in one of the Pavillions) to the VSP knows everything about them. There must be a reason they are not making much of the newspaper woman’s account, and maybe it’s because they have spoken directly with Ms. Parsons, though she has not spoken to the press. I’m probably wrong, but thought I’d read somewhere that she was not there that night, and neither was the neighbor. Maybe the Cavalier Daily? You’re right here…how would the neighbor know who was walking around the Lawn that night if he was not there to see? I don’t know what to make of the EMT call, but wouldn’t there be more documentation of this call? Tapes? Was it made from a cell? One of the blue emergency phones? Can’t it be traced? Someone knows all of this.
Let’s see…since we have no idea what Morgan’s friends were wearing at the concert, and no one is talking, I assumed they’d also be wearing something black, or at least dressed for the scene. Huge assumption, and not smart, I’m sure. But if they were dressed for Metallica, they’d stand out a little from the grad student athletes over at the Park, especially if they were drinking while standing around their cars. This is a college town, but that’s just not allowed, I don’t believe. A cop car would at least slow down, and a policeman would have the authority to see what’s in their cups.
This is the girls’ softball field that’s at the Park, not baseball. And the students who have access to these turf fields are older grad students…Law, Business, and the Judge Advocate General students (already lawyers, now doing their military study I think). A carload of younger 20 year olds would be conspicuous is all I’m trying to say.
I really don’t know much about any of this, honestly. And it’s hard to try to piece things together when we really know nothing from the friends. And the Harringtons, even, if they’re asking the friends not to speak publicly. I’d love to hear more from the basketball players. And even Ms. Parsons. I want to know if there is someone out there who is pretending to be a concerned EMT or security guard, working and living near us. What I do know, though, is that if a local, or a UVa student, is in anyway responsible for Morgan’s disappearance I’ll be horrified and feel some responsibility.
Rachelle, I feel honored to have you share space on this board with us. I am so sorry for both you and your lovely mom…
Lee, I know this all sounds scary when you have a child living here and we have no answers about Morgan. Charlottesville is still a very safe place to live and go to school…everyone just has to use common sense, no matter where we are.
WPGmouse…please let me know if I didn’t answer your questions.
redly, hello
As October 17 was Parent’s Weekend at UVA, could there have been some type of special event(s) held at The Park?
Everyone, I apologize for my disjointed and poorly written posts…I always feel like I’m writing on the fly.
localcvillegirl,
(your comments were not posted yet when I submitted my question to redly)
Thank you for replying in answer to my questions.
David Gardner, the witness who spoke to the media, and had parked beside and interacted with Morgan and party, stated he did not see any evidence of drinking (I take this to mean they did not appear intoxicated nor did he see any alcohol consumption at the vehicles). If his account is true, then I have no reason to believe Morgan and her party were drinking at The Park, IF they were even there at all. Being a baseball facility, I was just wondering because of Dan the driver who is a college player – - may hold some interest for him.
Yes, it was only the media comments by the male neighbour J. Griffin that we were told the female neighbour (as he) was not home that evening. We have not heard anything from this female herself or even who she is. Perhaps he was just annoyed with the attention when he said “no blonde”, but again he did give his name. But if he was not home that evening, and there is a “blonde” girl missing likely due to nefarious circumstances, IMO he could have been a little more sensitive and aware with his comments in not closing what could be a critical door in the search for Morgan. Just my opinion from what I have read him to say.
Thanks again, localcvillegirl.
Going back to those who believe she never made it to the concert or inside the building, casting doubt on anything the friends say.
I am troubled that people sitting near her seat haven’t been interviewed to verify she was there. Surely, the ticket holders could be traced in a police investigation. I am doubtful surrounding tickets were purchased at the door because she had these tickets 6 months ahead of time. This to me, is just too simple. Make a statement that ticket holders surrounding her seat have verified her presence. Again, there are very few facts out there.
I am done in the Blink library for now. whew………lot’s of posts and great to review. My brain hurts…… Hope I didn’t interrupt any of your discussions by my lengthy posts. I hope some of you re read them, and at least got a little re newed thinking from some initial thoughts on the purse and other theories.
Mouse: Did you say in your above post that the purse was reported stolen at 5:30pm? For some reason I had 8:30 for the time. If you could correct/clarify that would be great.
Local: Coincidentally, today while reading old posts, came across this one. I believe that this was Blink’s site orginal theory. I do not know if Blink still feels this way or not. Thank you for all of your input. I hope that LE has a POI. If it does turn out to be a local, you cannot take any responsibility for that.
Missing Morgan and then she was gone thread: Nov 1st 1:09pm By Blink
(Blink)
“Yes, or rather a profile which will not be popular.
“This offender screams LE or faction thereof: Ie: former LE, trained in LE but for whatever reason may also work security.
You have a massive campus and Morgan goes missing at the one place there are no cameras. The CCTV or digital infareds (if they have them) must be approved by zoing or the school board prior to installation. The monitoring contracts must be awarded pubicly, even if the specifics are sealed.
Her Father was on staff at this school for many years, her brother an alumni. I dont believe that Morgan did not know she could not get back in, I think whatever lured her outside was the promise to both get her back in, and something worth her while to take the risk- maybe backstage passes or VIP seating?
Who would you believe had access to that?
If one researches and is able to find all that information, you must consider if there are cameras on campus that may have come from Homeland Security Grants, which ARE NOT subject to public disclosure; but accessible as to their whereabouts, by LE or campus security (via clearance).
You have a cell and purse discarded with the battery removed. I have not had an opportunity to study the ping differentials of this area, but based on how rural it is, let’s say it has a +/- of 5 miles at a minimum. If you really want to throw LE off, why not throw it out the window in 3 miles going the wrong way? Throw it in a creek and short it? He is aware of the technology that would ensue, and help to establish their destination. I am going to make a leap and say that the phone also was missing the SIM card if it takes one and if not, was “reset” before the battery was removed.
In an instance where they cannot establish foul play, if the phone was in her name, you could be looking at 30 days at a minimum to get a warrant.
That said, if they have evidence we are not aware ,or a POI, that would be moot inasmuch as they would already have access to data up until the power is removed from the phone. If they have access, I believe they will have either texts or calls from a prepaid or bat phone, or some other call scrambling mechanism.
Again, leads me to someone with investigative knowledge.
I say this with utmost respect for LE. I also say that having worked with them, that good investigators and officers don’t mind looking in their own backyard because they dont have anything to hide.
Lastly, you have to consider the possibility of the connection of the Metzler and Childs murders in Caldwell Field. Childs Father is VA State Trooper. I can state as a fact that the possibility of someone posing as LE or security is in the top 3 of their offender profile for these murders.
Anyone reading here know if Morgan had a former BF that is VT deputy or security?”
(local snippet from your above post today)
” I really don’t know much about any of this, honestly. And it’s hard to try to piece things together when we really know nothing from the friends. And the Harringtons, even, if they’re asking the friends not to speak publicly. I’d love to hear more from the basketball players. And even Ms. Parsons. I want to know if there is someone out there who is pretending to be a concerned EMT or security guard, working and living near us. What I do know, though, is that if a local, or a UVa student, is in anyway responsible for Morgan’s disappearance I’ll be horrified and feel some responsibility.”
If Morgan’s purse was stolen, how did she call her friends inside?(cell was found with purse) Perhaps this is the reason LE asked if anyone lent Morgan their phone. What time did she text her friend outside of Charlottesville?
If her purse was stolen was anything taken from inside? Perhaps her necklace was inside and her camera.
For LE to state the battery is not important the purse is not important but the necklace and camera were is thought provoking. Also LE states that they do have physical evidence,if not the purse and cell, what?. If the purse was taken earlier and returned that would compromise the physical evidence that might have been obtained from it regarding the later abduction.
These things are true,unless LE knows Morgan’s whereabouts and the whereabouts of her purse/necklace, phone, camera and battery up until 9:30, right?
MsL–my quotes around “separated” were meant to encompass any separation, temporary or otherwise. As you rightly point out, Mr. Sene was suspended for three games, and we don’t know what the exact reason for his suspension was–the official reason may not explain be the whole story. The fact is, it happened. It is possible that he was found lying to the coach about that night, or what he knew of others’ actions that night; UVA might well deem that “conduct unbecoming.” There are infinite possible scenarios in many aspects of this case; you offer a detailed hypothetical one above regarding Mr. Tucker’s separation from the team.
localcvillegirl re: #1379 – WT fb pg – I was able to see the list of friends and also who WT is an EMT for – I should introduce myself – this is only my second post (first post #1348). As I mentioned to Blink earlier, I am a great admirer of her and this site and of all who hold such intelligent dialogue here. I can only hope I will be able to contribute something however minor in the days to come, but what I wish even more is for Morgan to be found and the Harrington’s to have closure. Keep up the great work!
This was posted by Morgan’s Dad on the HFMH site (48 minutes ago):
Post #38
Dan wrote
48 minutes ago
“We do not have a picture of the shirt or of Morgan on October 17, 2009″
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=162224546575&topic=11202&start=30&hash=bf5b3c6f37d064d30f119530874be390#topic_top
Would i be right in saying Ms Harrington`s purse was found within throwing distance of Copeley Rd.?