Morgan Harrington Case: Virginia State Police On New Search

Posted by BOC Staff | Missing Persons,Morgan Harrington | Wednesday 16 December 2009 12:40 pm

Charlottesville, VA– Virginia State Police are searching an area of route 64, between mile markers 112 and 114 today in their efforts to locate missing VT student, Morgan Harrington.

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Located approximately 4 miles west of Charlottesville, VA, the stretch of highway leads up to an early area of interest, Crozet, VA.

VSP PR Manager, Connie Geller says the area is not being searched based on any new tip.

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Check back to blinkoncrime.com for this developing story. 

Update #1. Jim Hanchett, Newsplex, reports the search has ended for this area today, and is awaiting any news of other possible search areas.

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  1. radiogirl says:

    1443, thank you for opening this up for discussion.

    1446,I’m saving those articles for my best friend whose daughter home schooled and has applied at university at 16 this month.She has a great family,no need to rush things.thank you so much.

  2. Nagol says:

    I often read blinkoncrime, and do believe the dialgue here is informative, intelligent and promotes Morgan’s case in a positive way.

    I had read comments about the live chat with Mr. Harrington and members of the findmorgan website, and want to add my take which I believe to be as objective as you’ll find given that I am not in VA, not friends/associated with any people in VA and only participated as I have been trying to spread the word outside of VA.

    I did not find anything stated inflammatory. It was clear weather the information was “confirmed” or simply speculatory. I was add no different than the discussion here…folks trying to piece together different ideas with the purpose of furthering the investigation into Morgan’s disappearance.

    Mr. Harrington’s presence was inspiring, he took the time to answer questions and interact with all the people working to find his daughter. I do not believe the intent of anyone participating to limit distribution of the chat is due to ill-feelings for anyone on this board or any other. The chat was easy to find, announced in advance and not limited to findmorgan’s inner circle. I would argue that if someone was building a conspiracy case against findmorgan.com this open and free chat would damage it’s credibility.

    Additionally, the chat did offer clarification on a few lingering issues, and I will offer only what I have already seen on findmorgan.com as a result of the chat;

    -Morgan’s vehicle was not forensically processed by LE.
    -Mr. Harrington has washed the outside of Morgan’s vehicle, and her brother used the vehicle while at home.
    -Morgan did not have access to her keys during the concert, they were held by Dan.
    -Morgan’s computer is in the possession of LE.
    -There are aspects of the case Mr. Harrington is not allowed to discuss, and therefore the boundaries of the conversation were limited in scope.

    My question is…why can’t all the forums work together? A united effort dedicated to a common cause. We all know individuals who constantly build roadblocks with outlandish accusations, refusal to share information and do not reflect the the overall groups’ goals. I don’t know anyone here or at findmorgan personally, but I would bet everyone shares a common goalto bring Morgan home.

    Blink, I think you work to get the most out of the posters here, and want their discussion to get to the “guts” of this case. I respect that position tremendously as it goes beyound crime reporting to the collaborative efforts of all – it’s a very cool thing to sit back and watch. I would only add as a reminder that as anonymous posters we have to develop a thick skin. When we toss ideas and comments out in cyber-world the expectation should be they come back to us chewed to hell looking nothing like the thing we invested our time, effort and brainpower to create. If everyone agreed that would be a real shame.

    Thank You and I agree. All the forums cant work together because there needs to be a level of trust between the poster and the postee. I have worked very, very hard to provide that here. I do think though, in some ways, we are working together.
    B

  3. lakeluver says:

    Thank you acho, #1443

    Let’s tackle this. We need to start from the end to get to the meat of the matter.

    The last known people to have spoken to MH (and spent a good 10 minutes talking to her according to reports) have to know quite a bit about her demeanor, her clothing, if she had her purse, where she was headed. I tried to go back and find where I saw that the BB players were the ones to say they saw her HH but can’t seem to find it now.

  4. GeegLouise says:

    About the purse -

    It was found close to where she was seen talking to the BB players, right? If LE is correct that she was picked up on the bridge, then the abductor must’ve known where she was before walking to the bridge and went back later and tossed her purse in that area.

    I do not believe that she dropped her purse out of drunkenness and just left it there. I don’t care how drunk a person is, how dead the cellphone, how empty the wallet, women never leave their purses behind by choice.

    Also, if I remember correctly, LE once stated that there was no sign of struggle on the purse. How could they possibly know that? And a broken strap no less.

  5. radiogirl says:

    1443,I appreciate this direction of thinking because experience tells me people from all walks,teachers ,athletes ,presidents etc,have risked everything for sex.No matter what their education is ,marital status or how often lectures are given.

    All I have to do is turn on the news and hear about it day in and day out.I am not accusing the bball players or anyone else but the theory this is a sex crime is obviously something the Harringtons and LE think is a possibility as well.

    On the subject of leaving school for the arrival of a baby.If true,I can understand a period of time devoted to delivery and homecoming.Indefinite bothers me because he is so close to graduating.As a mother, if one of my sons had a baby come into his life,it would be even more important to get him finished with college and into the job market as soon as possible.Of course Mr. and Mrs.Radio would be right there to help make that transition happen.Not everyone has that I realize.

  6. susanm says:

    my underlining reason for linking the center public integrity report is the focus on how universities do directly and aggressively go about protecting their images,imposing gag orders?maybe i was naive or times changed but iirc i kinda remember campus police as being like student cops,wouldn’t really think they’d have power in major crime,follows report that adminstration would probably prefer it, if it involved campus .far fetched and sorry if i insult but i have thought before maybe le is hoping and wanting public to raise an eyebrow ,and purposely being evasive/ mixed signal cuz the administration is powering up against the investigation .ok sorry ridiclous idea.

  7. Chad says:

    Mouse,

    Gosh….I hope my comment didn’t cause your nightmare! My comment was just a general “cheezy” comment for this thread.

    Momof3
    Happy New Year to you! I really enjoyed reading your post. Great points as usual. You summed it up very well for all of us. Are you beginning to venture off that perhaps Morgan never made it to the concert?

    J2K: HNY to you too! I thought it was worth going back to Blink and Observers original thoughts and theories. I know I certainly could use a refresher and another look to keep me grounded. I’m glad that you found value in those posts.
    Thanks for bringing your thinking goblet to us!

  8. Kathy says:

    O/T
    Comment by suz — January 2, 2010 @ 10:42 am
    That’s a quote from the popular book “Who Moved My Cheese?”–a cheesy self-help guide for dealing with change. If you spent any time in corporate America since 1998 you were probably required to read it. Like Limburger, some people really love it, others not so much. (Limburger’s not bad on occasion with onions, pickles and dark bread.)

    I’m one of the few who loves me some Limburger!

  9. Moonchime says:

    It is quite odd that there is so much emphasis placed on the necklace by LE. I recall watching an interview that the Harrington’s did. Gil mentioned that she herself helped Morgan put the necklace on. Morgan was struggling with it and Gil clasped it for her. Gil stated that it was special to MH because it had been a gift from her brother, Alex. It was presented as being special–as Morgan herself–since not too many of them were made by Swarovski.

    I wonder if LE is aware that someone may have that necklace now–perhaps given to them as a gift after Morgan’s disappearance?

    I really am freaked out by the fact that Dan Harrington posted yesterday that there aren’t any pictures at all of Morgan taken on October 17th. That is just downright unbelievable, considering that so many cameras had to be with her and her group of friends that day. It was too special of an event not to want to chronical it with pictures.

    Morgan, where are you???

  10. skyler says:

    to AWA:

    I just typed this in and hit some “hot key” and it all disappeared — ha —

    Finally a question I can answer: if i knew how to cut, copy and paste on my computer, i would…

    Here’s how to copy/paste — honestly Easy Peasy !!!

    Method 1 : Either using a mouse or pointer if laptop — take your mouse and position it on the first letter or spot you want to copy — then while holding down the *left* click button on mouse or pointer, drag the line to the end of the line — it should be “highlighted” — remove your hand from the mouse and simultaneously hit the “control” and “c” keys — that copies the highlighted portion to the “clipboard” — then go to the space you want to paste and click the mouse/pointer — then remove your hands and simultaneously hit the “control” and “v” keys — that pastes —

    Method 2: If you want to click, say, an entire page, you can just click the mouse anywhere on the page — then *right* click the mouse — a menu will pop up — click on “select all” on the menu box and click — that highlights the entire page — then you can either hit cntrl and C — or — click on “copy” on the menu — go to the place you want to “Paste” — you can either do the control V keys or right click and click “Paste” on the menu box — voile’ !!

    Also, instead of control C/ control V once the text/picture, etc. is copied, you can always *right* click the mouse and click on copy and paste — using the control keys, for me, is just faster — practice and you’ll have it down in about 10 seconds : ))

    HNY !!

  11. mosaic says:

    Here is Carol Wood’s statement from Nov 24:
    http://www.nbc12.com/Global/story.asp?S=11566566

    “Because of the number of rumors that have been circulating about members of the [team],” said Carol Wood, assistant vice president of UVA public affairs. “We felt it was important to make a statement to set the record straight.”

    She said after a practice, some members of the team had been approached by a female consistent with the description of Morgan Harrington. They were interviewed and cooperated fully with law enforcement. They provided information that is important to police and useful in creating a time line of her whereabouts.

    ~~~~

    Here is my opinion and interpretation of Wood’s statement:

    Public statements in this case have been few and far between. I believe LE is releasing details in a calculated way for the simple reason that the perpetrator is a member of the public and what the public hears, the perpetrator hears.

    We have consistently heard from LE that there is no suspect or POI. In fact, Rader verbally underlines that message in his Dec 30 press conference by saying, “….AT ALL.” (Hard to catch in the video but it’s there.)

    For whatever reason (possibly it’s the straight-up truth) LE wants the public to believe that LE does NOT have their sights on a particular person. I am willing to “go with that” simply because I think their statement as such is an attempt to forward their investigation.

    As far as Wood’s statement….My OPINION (emphasis intentional) is that her information simply reflects the information given to her by LE. If she received this confirmation from LE and got the go-ahead to make a statement then she is simply doing her job of dispelling rumors that circulate and create a dark cloud around the university, it’s students and it’s atheletics.

    I highly doubt she made this statement without consulting with LE…which leads me back to LE purposefully wanting the public to believe without exactly saying so that the players are not suspects. Whether that is the truth or not, I think that is what they want us to believe….(the public, perp included).

    I’m willing to go with that for now.

  12. skyler says:

    Hi, Everyone — Happiest of new year to you all — i purposely turned off the computer and didn’t turn it on until now, or else I would have spent my time on this site : )

    shew — so many new posts and ideas —

    First, Dearest Blink, I heart you, too — Big time. Your post on Caylee’s page is poignant and so true — years ago, when dealing w/ my own situation of “somebody done me wrong” — I read a piece of advice that changed my life — you can forgive the person w/out forgiving the act — your posts and sentiments reflects that same line —

    I was present at the trial of the Notorious Briley Brothers — I was fresh out of college and more green behind the ears than you can imagine. I went to an out-of-state college so I had no idea who the Briley Bros were or what crimes they had committed. I was soon to find out. The corridors of the court house were jammed packed, and it looked like a scene out of a bad movie — these men were evil personified — one of their last crimes was to rob a couple who literally had nothing much to steal. They tied up the male and made him watch as they — this is awful, brace yourselves — cut out the 8-m/o fetus of the pregnant woman w/out anesthesia, while she was awake and alive — then killed the live baby — killed the mother, then killed the father — they left a long trail of dead bodies behind them — the dealth penalty came quickly — and son of a gun, they masterminded an escape and escaped from death row ! Eventually they were recaptured and put to death quickly.

    My point of that gruesome story is: Blink is exactly right. These men created heinous heinous crimes, and yet, in the courtroom were people who wept at their fate, who loved them in spite of the just plain evil they committed.

    If any of you have not read Blink’s front page entry on little Caylee’s page, I encourage you to do so — I don’t know whom the poster is whe quotes, but I’d like to know her. I would have so much more to learn.

    Sorry, no more getting gushy — plus you guys have been bizzy ! So much more to read !!

  13. redly says:

    Sherlock said — Drinking?? The ONLY way they can absolutely know that is a blood alcohol test, which is of course absurd. A witness seeing her acting altered would have no way of knowing whether that was from drugs or drink. Neither would a video camera.
    Someone would have to stay within her presence long enough to actually watch her drink multiple drinks (beers?) to be able to say yes, she was drunk.

    Sherlock, as suz indicated, she had 3 hours after arriving at JMU to drink before the concert and her friends would have been witness/participants with her. I may be getting old now, but I doubt times have changes too much, and I would be shocked if your normal college students did not use that time to drink as much as possible. It is part of the concert ritual. Hence the designated driver (the studying always sounded to me like a friend excuse to explain to Dr. H why someone else had to drive her car perhaps given before they realized they needed to come completely clean with what happened).

  14. wpgmouse says:

    suz,

    I recognized the quote – - all is good.

  15. suz says:

    Of course, wpg—not for your Edamfication, but for those gouda mice who didn’t get to read the book or watch the videos as an official part of their rat race.

  16. suz says:

    Oh, dear, Skyler, I’m afraid you’re going to be really disappointed when you learn who the poster is that’s quoted on the Caylee page…! But thank you.

  17. redly says:

    nagol — was any info given in the chat about follow ups on the various witness reports (away from the JPJ — sheetz, lawn etc)

  18. mjh says:

    To Curious –

    I would like to thank you for bringing Dane’s story to my attention –I was not aware of his case, and now have researched and read up on it. I am very sorry about what happened to him.

    I can see why Morgan’s case reminds you of Dane’s, and I am now thinking that this could very well be what happened to Morgan.

    People have brought up this possibility before, and it has always stayed in the back of my mind. Morgan supposedly was fine one minute, and then by witness accounts was acting irrationally, totally intoxicated — dropping her purse a number of times, stumbling, etc. It does seem, if these accounts are true, that she was possibly drugged.

    This could also be why she unintentionally left the arena — very confused, out of it, mind altered.

    I am sure she was drinking sometime before the concert, and perhaps even at the concert… but was not totally intoxicated.

    LE is apparently now saying that she was drinking, but if drugged, it was not of her own doing, or not substantiated by anyone. This also seems to be telling me that they think she was drugged — not that she took drugs.

    It is also very possible that she would accept a ride from someone if she was that impaired, just trying to get someplace safe. If she knew something was very wrong, and was afraid that she was going to just pass out on the road or something, she could have turned to anyone for help.

    The BB players are key to what Morgan’s state was at the time. If she was that “impaired”, would they just walk away and leave her alone? Would they try to get her help? Offer her a ride? Did she have her purse while she was talking to them? Did she seem drugged?

    I would really, really like to know the answers to these questions.

    Is LE following the Metallica concerts to see if someone related tries to do this again to someone else? That would be my guess.

    I still don’t understand why her friends would not be more concerned, though. This does not seem to make sense. And NO pictures? Definitely does not make sense.

    Police and security all over the place, and NONE of them noticed Morgan stumbling around?

    Did the limo driver notice if Morgan was “walking” fine, or was she stumbling and seemingly intoxicated?

    The thing that bothers me the most about Dane’s story is that people witnessed him stumbling and falling, etc., but nobody did anything to help him. He was obviously a young guy — why would people not try to help? Call police — something. Instead, he ends up dead. This is just so very sad.

    Another thing that struck me about his story is — the scum that did this to him did it to somebody else afterward, which is how he was caught. The thing is, he did not murder the next victim (Thank God). But, what I am thinking is, Dane’s reaction to the drug he was given is what ultimately killed him (unknown cause of death). But, the second victim did not have such a reaction to the drug.

    If somebody did drug Morgan for the purpose of following her and getting her into their car, offering safety, expecting the drug to only have the effect they desired — but, instead she reacted differently — perhaps not really intending to murder her, but she died anyway…they would probably try to “hide” her, just as Dane’s perpetrator did. And, then, just move on to their next victim.

    If we could just get some REAL answers from the friends, the BB players, limo driver, etc., it would be so much easier to figure this out.

    But, I think that it is highly possible that this is what could have happened. Thank you for bringing Dane’s story here.

    Blink — Although I do not have the intelligence of the many poster’s here, I do not consider myself totally stupid, either. But, I cannot figure out why you think that Morgan was NOT wearing the necklace. You have me stumped.

    Mjh- for starters, your extremely sharp, so so much for the lack of intellect comment. Peeshaw.
    Im going to reserve my thoughts on Dane’s case for now, so we can stay as much on topic as possible.

    The reason I feel Morgan was not wearing the necklace, is that Geller made an assumptive remark that she may have dropped it, like she did her purse. She either knew that she had, or knows it is not on her person. There would be no other reason to withold it’s existance for a month.
    B

  19. wpgmouse says:

    Oh suz, you make me lol. Thank you for that.

    Chad, no worries, I awoke from a nightmare and came here for a bit of respite, like the cheese addict I have become. :)

  20. suz says:

    Geeglouise, I think the broken purse strap is a rumor, or at least I’ve never seen an official report that it was broken, which is why it makes more sense for LE to say there was no sign of a struggle. If anyone has a link to a news story that says the strap was broken, please post or repost in case I missed it.

    The purse is a definite mystery, unless as we’ve said she sat it down on a car or on the grass when chatting up the BB players or someone, and plain old forgot it? Then the battery remains a mystery, unless it legitimately fell out the last time she dropped it and she didn’t notice. I dunno. Odd.

  21. J2K says:

    Happy First Saturday of the Decade, fellow Blinkers.

    I keep up with the latest MH thread on this site pretty regularly (if only I had enough time in the day to join other conversations/cases occurring simultaneously here…). But some recent speculations contradict some facets of the case I’ve accepted as substantiated by LE – I’m wondering if there is unpublished info regarding these issues that I’ve missed or something B or one of you gleaned somewhere that changes the nature of one of the few details/clues we’re working.

    First up: The Necklace.
    We have not seen enough pictures of this girl throughout the last, say, two years to determine her “style” – she was a fashionable 20-year-old with a stylist brother and generous parents. We’ve seen her dressed up, dressed down, in hippie-like threads, preppy clothes, high-fashion ensembles, and we have the description of her dark rock-concert look from Oct. 17. Thinking, “That doesn’t look like her style/she wouldn’t wear that,” in regards to a stranger we’re studying online seems like a futile mental exercise.

    So other than determining in a vacuum what MH would or won’t wear accessory-wise, what do those of you posting on this know other than what the rest of us have been told by LE and the Harringtons which is: MH was wearing that necklace that night; it was gift from her brother, a NYC stylist assistant (which is what my sister does in LA, and I get flashy clothes and accessories I normally wouldn’t wear as gifts from her all the time – there are always “extras” at celebrity styling shots and family members of those cleaning them up often reap the benefits).

    Quotes from news sources noting the Swarovski necklace (there are many; I just copied the first few I saw):

    “… She was wearing a black T-shirt with “Pantera” written across the front in tan letters, and a black miniskirt, black tights and black knee-high boots the night she disappeared. She was also wearing a Swarovski crystal necklace with a link motif.”

    ” … Police say Harrington was wearing a distinctive necklace made of large crystal chain links.”

    “Virginia State Police recently announced that they are working with what they believe to be an accurate timeline of events in the night, have some new eye witness accounts, and are hoping that a picture of a necklace Harrington was wearing that night will help them find her.
    It is a Swarovski Crystal necklace made up of large crystal chain links and is described as being very distinctive. Investigators hope that by releasing this picture, it may spark the memory of someone who has seen her, and lead them to call police with information how to find her.”
    ….

    The Today Show (with the Harringtons): Police say Morgan would have been seen wearing a necklace like the one pictured here. It is an unusual and expensive Swarovski crystal necklace made up of large chain links. It was a gift from her brother.
    Gil Harrington said, “There are not thousands of them out there. It’s unique like my daughter.”

    What has changed?

    Also, wpg linked to a comment thread underneath a Cavalier Daily op-ed about campus safety a few days ago. Several commenters got into a pissing match about the veracity of a UVA cover-up of potential involvement of the BB players in MH’s disappearance. Pretty interesting, actually to watch two Cville “townies” go back and forth on the matter. One thing that stood out was several reference made to the BB player/other witnesses around 9:10-9:20 claiming to have see MH with some young men around a camper in the RV lot:

    (Ben) “While it’s true that U-Va. basketball players saw her that night partying in the camper lot where her purse was found, they weren’t in her company and she was with 3 white males who were there with the camper. A University spokesman has already answered this “2+2=5″ connection you made between the leave of absence, the 3-game suspension, and Morgan Harrington… there was no connection. Do you honestly think that Tony Bennett would suspend a player for 3 games if he had something to hide about a potential murder? Think about what you’re saying here… it doesn’t make any sense.”

    Does anyone here know if this is just speculation or an assumption based on unsubstantiated witness accounts in an article somewhere? It was mentioned by several commenters a few times, and seems rather specific. Just hadn’t seen such a description of her activities that included that sighting, so I’m putting it out there.

    Are we assuming she hung out with the BB players when it’s entirely possible that she only walked with them toward the RV lot, and then did her own thing (possibly with others) apart from them while they made their way into their vehicles and departed. Confused here. I thought I’ve read the players “left her alone” there, but other accounts have her making “limited’ interactions with others in the RV lot between 9:10 and 9:20 (at which point she’s put in vicinity of bridge/HH activity reported.):

    9-9:10 – Walking, with her purse, through the University Hall parking area.
    9:10-9:20 – seen in the grassy overflow parking area at Lannigan Field.
    9:20-9:30 – Seen on Copeley Road bridge over railroad tracks.
    Oct. 18
    Harrington’s purse is found in overflow parking area at Lannigan Field.

    (from article with timeline); “Investigators believe Harrington walked past University Hall after leaving the concert, and came into contact with some of the players practicing there.

    State police say that the players cooperated fully with the investigation and they make up only a small percentage of witnesses interviewed for the case thus far.”

    Also in regard to the BB players and the “unrelated” team member suspensions around the time of MH disappearance, there has been a flurry of discussion about JT’s dismissal and its suspicious nature. I’m not getting that at all. His coach and university spokespeeps have been pretty clear: academic reasons.

    To wit (from UVA sports news site):
    ******
    CHARLOTTESVILLE—Virginia men’s head basketball coach Tony Bennett has dismissed Jamil Tucker from the team for academic reasons.

    “We expect our student-athletes to perform to certain standards academically and Jamil has not met those standards,” Bennett said. “We wish him well and will provide assistance where we can, but he is no longer a member of our team.”

    Bennett announced on Nov. 11 that Tucker, a 6-9 senior forward from Gary, Ind., was taking an indefinite leave of absence from the team. He returned to practice with the team on Nov. 27, but has not played in any of Virginia’s nine games this season. …
    *******

    Another player falling under the ‘scope for an untimely (MH-wise) suspension was Assane Sene. But whatever he did, it could not have been that serious:
    (From a UVA sports-news article about Sene’s suspension/return)

    “We have expectations for the individuals in our program that Assane has not met,” Bennett said. “He will not play in our closed scrimmage with St. John’s on Sunday and in the first three games of the regular season, but will practice with the team. My hope is Assane will learn from this situation as we move forward.”

    I’m not questioning the logic behind recent inferences here, but either I’m missing info that some of you/B has access to, or definitive public statements made by those involved in the case are now being called into question. I want to know why.

  22. Momof3 says:

    Lisa, Your post 1121, Thank you.

    Unfortunately I missed this earlier. That photo was still bothering me. Thank you so much for following up on it. I do not think it is stupid or funny that you sent it to LE I commend you for doing more with it than I. I am so relieved to find out it was not related to Morgan. THANK YOU

  23. Momof3 says:

    Rachelle #1374,

    Being a mom at this board, I apologize for missing your comment earlier.
    Your paranoid comment really struck a nerve with me…My daughter seems to mistake this as my name frequently. LOL Thank you for your heartfelt post, I am so sorry for your loss. As a mom, can I say that I believe your Mom is still watching over you and would be proud and relieved that you are still listening to her advice, no matter how outlandish you deemed it to be at the time you heard it spoken. PEACE

  24. Momof3 says:

    J2K, Hi, thank you for another careful analysis of recent posts. Your request to elaborate on the physical evidence sent me searching back through previous comments on this thread and I came across several posts I missed, so thanks for making me go back.

    Here is my previous post, in this clip Ranger makes the comment that they do have physical evidence and gives an example of such. I would be interested in your take on this press conference as this is the reason I voiced my concerns in my previous posts that you commented on.—-

    I tried to find a link to the entire press conference was unable to locate one. If anyone has a link,I’d appreciate you posting it …

    In this link LE states that they have physical evidence, meaning shirt,or blood. I am not sure if he was referring to Morgan’s purse or something more. Blink, do you know?

    http://www.wdbj7.com/global/Category…autoStart=true

  25. skyler says:

    this is a repost back a ways, but w/ Blink’s permission, am posting again —

    W/ MSL’s position in mind, about all are innocent until proven guilty, I still feel the BB players had nothing to do w/ Morgan’s ultimate fate, unless she were so falling down drunk impaired and they did nothing to assit her — but I do not think they personally led to her demise. That said, for the first time since this ordeal began, my “creep-o-meter” is in the red zone on this Wayne Townsend person,here on out referred to as “the beer guy” in deference to MSL. Arsonists will often return to the scene of the fire — it’s why police take video of the crowd. He seems to want media attention — ie, he’s on CNN after Morgan’s disappearance — he’s also in local media as far back as ’08 — he’s a metal head and big into gaming. Most of his gaming post have been related to games where you kill people. I don’t know what his personal FB looked like because he made it private once he was called out, but the forum poster (I’ll put in the links at the bottom) was disturbed by it. Liz found a metallica page that had both of their pix and names on it — he was sitting in the row beside Morgan — during the CNN/Jane Velez interview, most of his statements were “uh, um, uh” — some of that could be attributable to “nerves” — but also when people lie, they hesitate — plus, how the heck did CNN find him anyway ? Even if they read the FB page he made for Morgan, was his personal info included ?

    In the one response from the UVA library post, a UVA poster talks about trailers parked in the RV lot — news to me — but then theorizes she could have been picked up by a “townie” — beer guy is definitely a “townie”

    He very well could have slipped out of the arena after LOG, picked up Morgan — the Library article post states she was hitching on the “corner” of Copeley & 250 — not the bridge — he could have displayed his EMT credentials to Morgan — that’s been one of my questions from the beginning — even if Morgan were HH’g, what would cause her to get into the car of a stranger — I had been thinking someone w/ a fake (or real) police ID — but how about someone w/ an EMT id ? She had that cut on her chin — he has a first aid kit in his car — “let me fix that for you” — at that point he very easy could have drugged her w/ chloroform, some other medication — his original intent may only have been to be “romantic” w/ her — when she rebuffed him, he could have become enraged and killed her — of course, that is all speculation, but it seems to fit.

    Then he does w/ Morgan whatever he does — he may be able to return to the arena using his EMT credentials, giving him an alibi —

    Now, I don’t know if this part is accurate — I know for the Richmond Coliseum, there is an underground area where trucks, etc. can drive under the Coliseum, and then enter back into the stage area — the area where I saw the equipmet haulers was a few blocks away from the arena — there was an obvious loading dock — also, to answer some questions about what hotels the bands stayed in — they had very luxurious Rv’s — and several of them — parked way in the back of that area where the haulers were — I don’t know if they spent the night in a hotel in C-ville, or just got back on the buses and drove to Charlotte, which was their next concert venue — I can guarantee you they did not spend the night at the EconoLodge Motel

    back to beer guy — if there are tunnels under the arena, could he have gotten back in thru one of the tunnels and made his way back to his seat — did he go to the concert w/ a friend ? Can the friend verify he never left his seat until the end of the show ? The concert lasted until about 11:02 — plenty of time to get morgan and do whatever, then slip back in — even if he drugged Morgan and slipped back inside —

    Post Oct 17th actions — he puts up a FB page — he’s on national news show — in Nov. his relationship breaks down — he’s no longer an EMT —

    *** police ask the public to notice changes in normal patterns or behaviors.

    When called out by the poster on that library forum (link at bottom), he doesn’t say: I didn’t do it — he starts to puff himself up — says he has a child (so that makes him innocent ??) and that he works for an organization that helps metally challenged folks — his FB picture, he’s standing beside the ER response truck — he never addresses the specific accusations — that he has creepy posts on his FB page — he seems to thrive on the media attention

    Again, please don’t shoot the messenger on this next part — while I think that that John-somebody whom someone from FB posted as “Famous psychic coming to Richmond” and suggesting that the Harringtons meet w/ him — I think he is a total fraud — he is actually from Charlottesville — he was the “co-star” of a cable channel show that works on missing persons cases (never found any) — and if he’s so psychic, why doesn’t he come home and do a “free” public Morgan reading and find her — also, on one of the shows about the woman who was killed in Shendoah St. Park years ago — give me a break — the TV show stated he’d never been there — he is from Charlottesville and lived there for many years — his co-star on the psychic missing person show is named Carla-something. Someone from FB contacted her to work on Morgan’s case — she said: show me the money, hmmm — I digress –

    I have to state that I do think some people have a heightened 6th sense.– the “real” Alison Dubois, that the show Medium is based on, was asked to consult on a missing like 11 y/o girl case — she got a psychic hit and grabbed police and literally walked up to the front door of a residence — police got iside and there was the abducted kid —

    I do not know psychic lady Claudia — know absolutely nothing about her “hits” or “misses” — I wish I were psychic – I’d go find my missing cat instead of just putting up flyers — maybe she is/maybe she isn’t — it’s for each of you to decided on your own — but, I’m just saying, she’s getting hits on this “beer guy” fella, too — enough so that she contacted LE w/ all of her info — for free — I don’t know if this is the same woman who was bugging the Harringtons for something belonging to Morgan — again, I’m not her cheerleader her — nor her critic — just sharing info —

    Psychic lady sends info on him to LE, who dismiss it out of hand because she’s a psychic — but — part of her own professed claim to fame is — she has assisted in police investigations of missing persons before and — in addition to whatever psychic impressions she may have — she runs a background ck on him — maybe w/ the bulldog — she claims he calls her having to speak to her w/in a short time after Morgann’s disappearance —

    As an EMT and C-ville native — he is aware of every nook and cranny of the area —

    No offense to him, but he is not attractive and morgan would have blown him off in a heartbeat if he approached her at the concert — Morgan is way way way out of his league — not casting dispersions — the only way that cute little Keanu Reeves would look twice at me is if I stuck out my leg and tripped him — I’m just sayin’ ….

    Blink, whatever connection you have to LE, please please please encourage them to do a thorough investigation of this man. If he is innocent, my sincere apologies in advance — but something is not right w/ this guy — here are the links — it may take some time to read thru some of the comments, but I encourage you to do so In direct answer to Sue’s question: Yes, I do — I absolutely do !

    thoughts, anyone ?

    Comment by Liz — December 31, 2009 @ 5:12 pm
    Skyler, found it!!!

    http://apps.facebook.com/ilike/artist/Metallica/event_whose_going?event_id=10291598&page=1

    Townsend is on page one, then go to page two where Morgan is seen. Hope the link works. If not let me know and I will try again.

    Comment by sue — December 31, 2009 @ 5:21 pm
    OMG! Could Wayne have cyber stalked Morgan?

    —-

    OK — I was back-peddling trying to find my post w/ the link and read Chad’s post of the FB page — could he have used his security badge to get back in if he left:

    beer guy states:

    Wayne wrote on October 21, 2009 at 6:33pm
    As to comment on what Ryan said I can agree. I worked part-time at the arena and I never saw anyone attempt to get into a restricted area. It’s my guess someone lead her from the arena.

    that was Chad’s post

    http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=162224546575&topic=10368
    (see post 19)

    around post 294 — I had done a google search of something and found a link to a small forum where someone had made inappropriate advances to females in the library — but if you read the commets it goes into a discussion about Morgan

    The discussion of Morgan continues on with the posters there.

    http://www.cavalierdaily.com/2009/11/19/safety-first-2/

    sorry this got long — but I’m tellin’ ya, beer guy just gives me the creeps !

    .

  26. suz says:

    Yup, I think the necklace was swag from the bro, and I bet it looked cute with her outfit. BUT…maybe Blink’s team will turn up some FB postings from MH’s secret pages that point to it being a gift from a POI.

  27. suz says:

    Or, is it possible that LE could have been sitting on the necklace for a month (so to speak) because they were using it to vet witnesses?

    “I saw a blonde in a black miniskirt. Looked her right in the face.”
    LE: “Notice any jewelry?”
    “Yes, a big shiny chain” or “Nope, definitely did not see any jewelry.”

    So LE might not have wanted to tell folks about the necklace because suddenly everyone would remember that they saw that very necklace.

    I prefer to think that there’s method to the madness of the slow, painful release of almost no facts or info in this case from LE, but I am sad to say that once in awhile I fear it could just be ineptitude. I haven’t actually heard any full news conferences, so for all i know, reporters aren’t asking good questions, and that’s another reason we are learning so little.

  28. Momof3 says:

    Please remember to give Gift of Fear to all the men in your life.

    Tia.

    WG

    Do you mean the book?

    Ba dum bump

    Sorry. Good suggestion.
    B

    Blink,Word Girl,

    Thanks so much for the laugh. What a great way to start the day. I now will be gifting the gift of fear for my husband and daughter with a giggle in my heart as I do, because of your humor Thanks

  29. skyler says:

    beer guy signed up to this gaming site — I think is what it is — in Nov. 09 — this is his face page comment. The last sentence is his “creed” —

    Eye Eat Brainz
    Wayne Townsend • 26 • M • Charlottesville Your Name
    Gender Male Female Not Specified
    Birthday / / (mm/dd/yyyy)
    City
    UpdateCancel

    “FYI, your all gonne die!”

  30. skyler says:

    >>Comment by suz — January 2, 2010 @ 3:29 pm
    Oh, dear, Skyler, I’m afraid you’re going to be really disappointed when you learn who the poster is that’s quoted on the Caylee page…! But thank you. <<

    Had a hunch, anyway, that it was one of our dear Morgan posters —
    and am “delighted” to learn the author’s identity —

    beautiful beautiful words !! Thank YOU !

  31. alexandra says:

    Neither Amy nor Sarah took pictures
    at all on October 17, 2009? No pic’s?
    very strange

  32. skyler says:

    re: BB players — I did read an article on the new BB coach and his coaching style — apparently he is coming in hard line, even sacrificing some games to make his point to his players — he has benched a starting player because he doesn’t play “defense” while on the court — maybe his position in dismissing the BB players from the team had to do w/ his asserting himself as the new coach ?? idk –

  33. Elizabeth says:

    Per Sherlocks post above.

    2. the necklace IS missing (according to LE and family).

    How do we know the necklace is missing. Perhaps missing Morgan is wearing it. There are no pictures from that evening showing her wearing the necklace? How do we know the two were separated.

    Also; I can understand LE not releasing pictures and a lot of information the first couple of weeks. But now we are in the 11th week and we still debate if Morgan attended the concert Arena at all.

    I have felt from the beginning that Morgan never made it there. The purse troubles me. Perhaps Morgan did make it to Charlottesville and was on her way to the concert hall when she ran into trouble and lost her purse.

    If Morgan never made it there period then none of the witnesses are undersuspecion.

    Why can’t LE clear up these points after almost 3 months?

  34. RUMom says:

    Rachael #1374 and Momof3 #1473 (weird, same post numbers mixed)
    I have heard the paranoid comment as well…from my son. He is now 24 and I still hear it sometimes. He grew up in a small town and is just too trusting. I have tried to build “street-wise” sense into him all his life, but sometimes even now takes it as “babying” him. I grew up in a large city in VA and was taught everything that Rachael said by my mom, also deceased. I was never paranoid or fearful; more AWARE of my surroundings and my GUT feelings. Yes, at the time I may have called her paranoid and made comments like “I am grown up, you don’t have to tell me this…”, but you know what? I listened, even though I didn’t tell her that she was really getting through to me, it did and her wisdom guided and still guides me.

    I just want to point out that even young men are vulnerable. In fact, after I read THE GIFT OF FEAR (I, too, just ordered from Amazon) I will pass it off to him and his girlfriend.

    Still praying and hoping for Morgan’s safe return.

  35. Jane says:

    Could LE realize the necklace is missing because they found clasp/link of it near purse. That also would indicate (to me) there had been some form of struggle.

  36. dew says:

    I lurk and read every day but only post occasionally. Two thoughts:

    1. To me the irrational behavior is that no one asked her what she was doing outside. If your friend went to the bathroom and ended up outside, wouldn’t your first question be “What the heck are you doing outside??” In the same vain, if Morgan indeed tried to get in multiple times, why didn’t anyone ask why she went outside. Which brings me to …

    2. If Morgan was slipped some type of drug inside which caused her to go outside, wouldn’t she have told someone (see point above) or the person she was texting that she wasn’t feeling well. Everything I read says a date rape drug usually acts within 15-30 minutes. In that time Morgan was talking to her friend and trying to get back in the arena. Apparently her friends didn’t feel she was too irrational at that point. Nor did arena personnel.

    Lastly, sorry I now I said 2, but if your friend was looking for a ride, wouldn’t you call back to check she found one. Not later but in like 10 minutes? Her phone was on for at least 40 minutes after the phone call from her friends. Doesn’t that seem odd?

  37. RNmom says:

    @J2K
    Are we assuming she hung out with the BB players when it’s entirely possible that she only walked with them toward the RV lot, and then did her own thing (possibly with others) apart from them while they made their way into their vehicles and departed. Confused here. I thought I’ve read the players “left her alone” there, but other accounts have her making “limited’ interactions with others in the RV lot between 9:10 and 9:20 (at which point she’s put in vicinity of bridge/HH activity reported.):

    _____________________________________

    I don’t think anyone is assuming anything about the BB players, we all know what assuming does. I personally feel that in light of the situation there are things that we should examine further. I do not want to believe these young gentleman ,with such great talent and potential, could possibly be involved with Morgan’s disappearance. However, they were the last known people to be in contact with her and could shed much light on Morgan’s intentions. ( Hopefully they did that) The things that bug me about these guys are…… First, correct me if I am wrong, but they didn’t come forward until they were identified by someone else. Secondly, the same two players that were suspended shortly after Morgan’s disappearance are now suspended indefinitely. I don’t know if these are the same players that were in contact with Morgan prior to her disappearance or not but if so, that is odd to me. One of them may be suspended for “academic ” reasons but, both of them are suspended for not meeting the “standards” of the UVA BB team. I really hope they aren’t involved and that they both get themselves together and live up to their full potential in life. I also feel that we should not totally exclude the facts. As for the HH witnesses, I wouldn’t consider a person on a forum as a credible witness are we assuming they are? Was it BB players that witnessed her HH? Was her purse found in the vicinity of where she interacted with the BB players? I am curious to know whether they stated she had her purse then or not. So, I hope no one is assuming anything in this case and no stone will go unturned.

  38. Nagol says:

    Redly – No, there was no discussion about the Sheetz sighting or any other. A majority of the conversation was devoted to organizing efforts for buttons, bumper stickers and various ways to keep Morgan’s name out there.

  39. wpgmouse says:

    Wonder who the “camper” in the RV lot belongs to, as per “Ben”.

    Observer referred to Morgan’s car as being “parked in the adjacent UHall parking lot”. David Gardner from NJ comments he and his party parked next to and interacted with Morgan and her party. Which lot is Observing referring to?

    Dee and her party whose mutual friend is the driver of Morgan’s car, Dan. C., – - parked where.

  40. lakeluver says:

    skyler,

    You must have j2k’s thinking goblet today!
    I agree WT should be checked out but also DW. No offense but he creeps me out even more. He works security and like an EMT would have a cover. He also works security at the BB games so he would more than likely know the players. My gut tells me that it was someone she felt she could trust. Perhaps she was seeking out the BB players to find DW?

  41. MsL says:

    Skyler, I would doubt that Jamil Tucker’s dismissal from the team would be based on the new coach asserting himself. I am willing to accept the fact until proven otherwise that it was for academic reasons. What caused those academic problems, obviously we do not know. I do think that you might be right that Sene was suspended for the 3 games, not just to make a point to him, but to the entire team, that the new coach will not tolerate team rules being disregarded. Could be associated with the night Morgan disappeared, again, we do not know. Neither of these young men have been positively identified as the players in the parking lot on October 17th. The reason I feel that the Tucker dismissal was for academics as stated is the very fact that Coach Bennett is young and new to the University. Just my opinion, but I doubt very seriously that he sees UVa as his final coaching job, but more as a stepping stone some years down the road to bigger and better things. If he does aspire to working for a year after year powerhouse sometime in the future, I just can’t accept that he would risk his brand new job at UVa and future coaching prospects by misleading the public about the reason for the dismissal considering that a young woman is missing. There are some powerful UVa alumni who want sports success at all costs, but I would hope with the majority, he would be putting his own neck right on the chopping block. There are 3 former UVa coaches right now, two basketball and one football who can attest to how much weight the alumni can yield. Is it possible that the coach himself does not know the true reason for Tucker’s academic problems, I would suppose so, but it doesn’t seem likely.

  42. acho says:

    Hi J2K, re: 1471. I believe fewer than 50% of UVa *fans* take that press release at face value. I do not know what I believe, but the way JT’s dismissal came down is unusual, and as you’ll see in the links, even a BB coach apparently was shocked. Maybe that’s just owing to the new head coach. And the “personal reason” very well could be unrelated to MH; as we’ve read, there are rumors about his having become a father. Still, as one of the last people believed to have spoken with MH, I feel we owe it to her to pursue, pursue, pursue–without making any allegations of anything.

    These links come from The Sabre, which is a group of UVa athletics fans. Take them for what they’re worth, but most of these people are locals/VA residents and/or UVa alums; they don’t want anyone in this organization to go down. No mention of MH on these boards. I don’t think this site gets us anywhere, but I do not think JT’s dismissal was all about academics.

    http://www.thesabre.com/message_board/basketball/2009/December/22/1154102.php

    http://www.thesabre.com/message_board/basketball/2009/December/8/1151625.php

    Skyler, I agree with you about WT. Creepy. So many of the others we’ve discussed are creepy, too. Does WT set you off more than Shannon? One begins to comprehend all that LE must sift through, and it’s daunting as h*ll. I pray they never lose steam.

  43. Liz says:

    In regards to the police thinking Morgan might have been drugged, I started thinking, where that most likely place a drug would have been slipped into a drink? I remembered back to when I was in college, and my friends and I would go out to a bar or event. We were under 21, so we would have some older person get the drink for us. Morgan WAS reported seen in the beer garden. Was she trying to grab a beer? If she has someone get a drink for her it would have been the opportune time for something to be slipped into her drink. In younger days, my friends and I would always wait off to the side for someone to bring the alcohol to us. We wanted to stay as inconspicuous as possible. A drug could have easily been put in the drink at that time. I wonder if someone did buy her alcohol that night and if it was drugged? There must be some reason the police made this a major point and this really would explain her behavior and actions later that evening. If a drug was slipped into her drink, could this person also have been waiting for the drug to take effect so he could take advantage of the situation?

  44. alexandra says:

    Everyone seems to think that LE has pictures of Morgan and her friends on October 17th and are just not releasing them. Then we hear that Dr. Harrington confirms that there are no pictures at all. That Amy and Sarah did not take any pictures, all day, the day of October 17th.

  45. Momof3 says:

    #1483
    Yes, I know what you mean when you say you try to instill streetsmarts to your children. I have a hard time doing this because all of their lives I have also told them to look for the good in people and treat others as you would like to be treated. I know that these beliefs can coincide with one another but young adults especially teenagers, think they know it all and a friend is a friend that you can trust with your life. They have not realized yet, and I hope they never learn the hard way, that this is sooo not true.

    In Oye’s posts she made reference to Morgan’s parents thinking she was too trusting and too naive for the world. This statement gave me goosebumps. If Morgan trusted her friends to look out for her in all situations, no matter if they were up for the job or never even volunteered in the first place, this could have lead Morgan to believe she could drink as much as she wanted, take what was ever handy and become too friendly towards the wrong person,thus befriending then trusting the wrong person, falsely believing no matter the initial outcome it would be alright because she was not alone she was with her friends.

    When I was a young adult I too had a sense of false security, my friends would protect me if I ever found myself in a bad situation, what I know to be the truth now, is they could no more protect me then I could’ve protected them as we all tended to be in the same situation different circumstances.

    There are no babysitters when there are guys around…..How cool is it to hang around and watch a too drunk girl who most likely is embarrassing herself, and won’t listen to your quiet pleas to chill and may even become confrontational to you when you try to offer help?

    My heart goes out to Morgan’s parents, because they seemed to be struggling with the same conundrum- How do we protect our too trusting daughter while at the same time give her confidence and wings to be her own person and make her own mistakes.

  46. Word Girl says:

    Late to the party, I realize, but want to comment on Geller’s statement regarding la necklace.

    LE may have conflicting statements about whether or not MH was wearing the necklace. They don’t have it. They don’t know where it is. Last person to see her said she wasn’t wearing it. Early witnesses say, yes, she was wearing it (if only Gil, at earliest). So, they’re just putting it out there: has anyone seen it? did you see her wearing this necklace?

    If someone saw her put the necklace in her purse, for example, and it turned up missing (as in not in the purse), then they likely have a robbery gone bad. (nb–robbery, Blink, not burglary ;)

    A criminal often does not know what they plan to do in every setting. They do what they do because they are criminals. A robbery could lead to assault to rape to murder in the blink of an eye.

  47. awa says:

    I posted what I am comfortable with, considering this is in the hands of LE. There is way too much potential for wild speculation.
    B

  48. Momof3 says:

    Chad #1457

    Happy New Year to You as well.

    I go back and forth every day ,several times a day with my belief on whether Morgan was at the concert or not.

    I am very disheartened by the fact nearly 3 months have past and I am still questioning this. I appreciate J2K’s trying to walk me through LE tactics and reasoning. It does lend some comfort to believe they have it under control. Yet, I still have my doubts, especially with as Mouse pointed out all of the “may haves,” “matching the description of” ect.

    What are your feelings now, Chad? What did you learn from the press conference?

  49. J2K says:

    Elizabeth (re: #1483)
    “I can understand LE not releasing pictures and a lot of information the first couple of weeks. But now we are in the 11th week and we still debate if Morgan attended the concert Arena at all.”

    I definitely understand being frustrated by the lack of info being released, but LE is *not* debating whether she attended the concert – they believe/have proof that she did. Keep in mind, we are privy to half of a fraction of what they’ve learned through interviews and other means in the course of their investigation.

    dew (re: #1486)
    “1. To me the irrational behavior is that no one asked her what she was doing outside. If your friend went to the bathroom and ended up outside, wouldn’t your first question be “What the heck are you doing outside??” In the same vain, if Morgan indeed tried to get in multiple times, why didn’t anyone ask why she went outside.”

    Dew, that’s what bothers me. And not even so much a lack of concern by the general “friends” inside, but specifically her roommate, AM. She was riding with MH to and from the event – they lived together! So, let’s say MH gestured she was going to the bathroom during the LOG set, walked away and perhaps tripped and fell as she left the area (seen by the witnesses who helped her up and noted she seemed incoherent), had a mark on her face and began crying (bathroom/smoking lounge accounts), and somehow got escorted out/slipped out not thinking about the no-return policy; SS finally gets her on the phone at 8:48 (“Dude, where the hell are you? Metallica’s about to come on!”) and MH says she outside the arena, can’t get in, and will “find a ride home.”

    Does SS hang up with her, and turn to AM reporting with a shrug that MH is inexplicably stuck out of the show and she’s leaving her car behind and heading out of town? WTF? Metallica did not come on until about 9:30. How could these two chill, chatter, take pics, do whatever for the next *30* minutes – knowing MH is gone/on her own/possibly even still out front?? Her friggin’ roommate was not at all concerned – not even logistically? They did not use the set break to walk to the lobby at least?

    The absurd, unnatural nonchalance we’ve been fed about their actions following the call is what is so incredibly weird to me. I’d even give them the benefit of youth if they briefly heard from MH as Metallica was coming on but were too excited to pay much attention to her predicament. But! They spoke around the time between acts (8:48). And, bear in mind these people had already been together for *half* the show already – Metallica was the headliner but shared the bill with two other bands’ sets which accounted for the first hour and 30 minutes of the event. The concert was (in a way) half over at that point!

    I simply cannot fathom how they could stand around idly from 8:50 until Metaliica started around 9:30 and not attempt to rectify/help/better understand how their good friend — who coordinated the concert, planned attending it with them for 6 months, and provided their transportation/parking — was suddenly wandering around a foreign campus looking for a ride to a town at least an hour away. I’m not saying they’re shitty, selfish, dimwit girls; I’m saying this behavior/attitude toward MH’s unexpected crisis (of sorts) does not make sense even if they are.

    RNmom (re: #1487)
    “The things that bug me about these guys are…… First, correct me if I am wrong, but they didn’t come forward until they were identified by someone else. Secondly, the same two players that were suspended shortly after Morgan’s disappearance are now suspended indefinitely.”

    I believe that Assane Sene, who was also suspended around the same time as Jamil, is already playing again – it was a 3-game suspension and the coach “hopes he learned his lesson.” (See my above post for more on this.)
    The players may not have “come forward” because they didn’t think they had to or were not aware they should – or they were short-sighted and didn’t want to get involved. They were surely the most distinctive of the witnesses – very tall, possibly in uniform – and she (being a distinctive-looking person herself) approached them in a well-lit, public lot rife with people. They were see, rumors/allegations started, they were identified, and there was a need to release the information about their role as witnesses. Anyone else she interacted with would not have been of note appearance-wise or visibly connected with UVA, and thus not fodder for public speculation.

    Do we know if LE had no idea for the first month of the investigation that the players spoke with her that night – or if, like the hundreds of other witnesses in this case, LE did not release their identities to the public… until they were outed here/on the blogs?

    I know this gets redundant, but c’mon – LE deserves more credit than to be out-witted by some college athletes who, if they were involved in her disappearance, would have perpetrated the crime/cover-up fairly spontaneously that night. They were the last people seen with her outside of a mystery vehicle she allegedly flagged down, and many locals are clamoring that a “typical UVA coverup” is occurring in regard to their involvement. If LE did not believe something happened to her other than an ill-fated night with a BB player she purposely approached on her way to Copeley Road, there would be some serious heat one one or all of these dudes.

    In other words: LE has known for quite some time what the interaction between MH and these guys consisted of that night, and there is supposedly no current POI in the case. Oh, and there has been no confirmation (I’ve seen) that the three unidentified players who spoke with MH were even the two suspended.
    This angle is tenuous at best, but until LE starts identifying other witnesses by name and /or occupation/school affiliation, I suppose they’re all we’ve got, huh?

    J2K, you said:

    The absurd, unnatural nonchalance we’ve been fed about their actions following the call is what is so incredibly weird to me.

    Since I know you just read the Gift of Fear, what does this say to you as a predictor?
    B

  50. Word Girl says:

    Dew,
    Thx. Good point on why it doesn’t make sense for the friends to not check back with Morgan on her ride situation. If they hadn’t heard from her for 40 minutes, I’m sure they would have texted, no matter where they were.

    Yes, date rape drug works fast. I’d like to know if the people who saw her fall know what kind of drink she had and if it was a lidless container. I do believe she may have passed through the beer line with her heavy makeup (not an excuse on the busiest night) or had someone get her one there. She could have tried to get as close as possible on the floor to take pictures–drink in hand, passing many potential threats. The timeline inside the arena is vague, also.

    WG-
    I keep going over this. I keep asking myself.. What emotions would make me act in the way I know Morgan did?

    I know I am 40, but embarrassingly enough, I have had more than my share of public BF spats in my youth I’m afraid.

    Dumping of purse out looking for something, dropping of purse, necklace, alleged hitchhiking, goes to bathroom and gets outside somehow. Tries to get back in, can’t. Friends never had plans for her to meet back up.

    This is screaming BF quarrel to me, as it has from day one.

    Maybe the result, Maybe the impetice for her ultimate fate, but I am convinced it is part of this.
    B

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