Morgan Harrington Case: Virginia State Police On New Search
Charlottesville, VA– Virginia State Police are searching an area of route 64, between mile markers 112 and 114 today in their efforts to locate missing VT student, Morgan Harrington.
Located approximately 4 miles west of Charlottesville, VA, the stretch of highway leads up to an early area of interest, Crozet, VA.
VSP PR Manager, Connie Geller says the area is not being searched based on any new tip.
Check back to blinkoncrime.com for this developing story.
Update #1. Jim Hanchett, Newsplex, reports the search has ended for this area today, and is awaiting any news of other possible search areas.
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ok. thank you.
Momof3; the referenced example of a shirt or blood as physical evidence sparked a purely speculative thought. If Morgan purchased a tee-shirt at the concert,(and I have not read reports that she did), might she have changed into it following the reported fall and possible chin bleed? The Pantera shirt could have been removed in the bathroom and stored in her purse/backpack. I think I read somewhere that the Pantera shirt was an older favorite. Yeah, I know, this almost certainly didn’t happen; however, the imagination tends to ramble a bit until all facts are filled in. Anyway, just a thought.
Happy New Year to all!
blink-
the whole necklace thing has bothered me from the first day you posted the picture of it on this website. it really doesn’t seem to fit in with the style morgan seems to wear, but regardless of that…i def think the police know that the necklace is not on morgans person.
there is just wayyy too much smoke with the purse/bag with the broken strap. i mean really, what are the odds that she randomly discarded of it, especially with a broken strap. straps on bags don’t just break like that…where theres smoke there’s usually fire.
i agree that this is totally screaming boyfriend quarrel…im just wondering how much the friends know
Blink, I have also thought there must have been an argument. IMO It was something that probably was building for awhile. Reference Roxy’s post about Morgan’s and Amy’s living situation.
The following is pure speculation on my part based on SS comments
I believe it was with Amy which in “girl world” extends to her boyfriend. SS is quoted as saying she was 1 of 2 that rode back- Dan had the keys- who stayed back besides Morgan? If Dan why didn’t he stay with Amy, where was she? If not Dan how did they get the keys back to them? And where did he stay or did he ride back with Dee or Dave?
evening B & all: facinating posts. trying to catch up!
I wonder if LE is aware that someone may have that necklace now–perhaps given to them as a gift after Morgan’s disappearance?
Does anyone happen to know if any of the Mom’s/Aunt’s/Sisters of the bball players were on campus the weekend of October17th?
I am beginning to wonder if the two statements could be related? would LE hold it close to the vest…if they now have the necklace? i guess they could and would. outta my league, on that one.
The reason I feel Morgan was not wearing the necklace, is that Geller made an assumptive remark that she may have dropped it, like she did her purse. She either knew that she had, or knows it is not on her person. There would be no other reason to withold it’s existance for a month.
B
I am also beginning to wonder if one person turned on another concerning this necklace? as in, one player on another? hence, 3 game suspension and full out kick off the team? maybe just took a blingy necklace and then felt bad, but not bad enough not to tell what they know. what if it was a theft and they left Morgan after that. is that considered “conduct unbecoming”? maybe we do not blame them for an abduction just their conduct.
btw, this seems to be the repetitive case with all involved with Morgan that day and behavior since…complete conduct unbecoming!
BF quarrel–are we back to granny?
I believe Granny, what can I say?
I will also say this, I spoke to an LE official ( upon request does not wish to be named). They had not even heard of the “Kickee” incident- wtf?
B
Word Girl, I don’t think Morgan’s drink,(if it was her) a lid on it. I remember the witnesses saying that she did not fall hard she had a drink in her hand and came back up with the drink not spilled, they seemed to give this statement to the fact it wasn’t a hard fall-Leads me to believe it was open.
Rita, I don’t think it is far fetched, we do not have a time line of what happened to Morgan after leaving her seat. Who knows exactly what she did until she told SS she was locked out. We have a different possible sighting of her wearing a jacket, so who knows what she definitively was wearing. I too am stumped by LE saying they have this evidence.
Rita, good thought about the t-shirt. I read on some forum about Morgan that serious heavy metal fans never wear the t-shirt of the band performing at a concert, an explanation for why Morgan would have chosen a Pantera shirt to wear to a Metallica concert. I don’t know how much credence I put on that statement. The concerts I go to, definitely not heavy metal, the first thing people who buy t-shirts do is slip the new purchase on over whatever they came to the concert wearing. If she did change, the new shirt would be a definite way for LE to have confirmed the various sightings.
Except for the fact that Dee S and her BF Zack BOTH wore Metallica shirts to the concert, so I am afraid I have to debunk that one-
B
Elizabeth (re: #1483)
“I can understand LE not releasing pictures and a lot of information the first couple of weeks. But now we are in the 11th week and we still debate if Morgan attended the concert Arena at all.”
Response to the above post;
“I definitely understand being frustrated by the lack of info being released, but LE is *not* debating whether she attended the concert – they believe/have proof that she did. Keep in mind, we are privy to half of a fraction of what they’ve learned through interviews and other means in the course of their investigation.
I have absolutely no confidence whatsoever in the VSP. As far as I am concerned this case has been bungled from day one. They hold no news conferences because too many questions are asked. Such as Was Morgan at the concert. To tell you the truth I don’t think they know..for sure. Why wasn’t the car impounded? Why weren’t the last people that saw Morgan drilled and their cars searched?
We know no more now then we did the day after Morgan went missing and the first news conference was held. Not much.
Poor Dan Harrington is trying to find the model number on his daughters camera so bloggers can look for it. He is trying to find a psychic to help him find Morgan. Those poor people are desparate.
They didn’t even know for ten days that Morgans car was at the concert because they forgot to ask? Who the heck is briefing them? The same nobody that is holding press conferences.
Sorry everybody but I am really frustrated tonight. I think I need to take a break. Thanks for letting me have at it tonight. I shall go and sit quietly for a while and collect my thoughts. Maybe I will have a wedge of cheese. Calm me down a bit.
to move the discussion, perhaps, in a different direction — since no answers are forthcoming to all of our questions — this has been gnawing at me, as well. Va’s 2010 budget was set by the current governor — who slashed every state agency’s funds. VSP’s funds have been slashed, as well. So who’s footing the bill for Morgan research ? in the beginning I read where 2 agents were assigned to nothing but Morgan, but how long can funds be used for that sole purpose ? This is *one* incident that from the press conference isn’t classified as a “crime” by LE ? I don’t know how VSP budget is dispersed — does each region get a set amt. based on past crime/police involvement stats — or is it one lump sum and dispersed as needed ? Realistically, how long can Morgan be placed on the front burner ? The Harringtons have used terms related to criminal activity pretty much from the onset — LE has not.
I was hopeful for awhile that things in the case were progressing — but now I’m not so sure. I’m starting to think Blink’s observation from the beginning that unless Morgan comes forward, if she by her own choice disappeared, or if her remains are found by a hiker or hunter, we may never know what happened to Morgan.
I was happy to read that the Harringtons somehow made it thru the Christmas holiday, bolstered by caring friends and strangers. Somehow, and I don’t know how were I in their shoes, their lives have got to move forward.
The new year has always been a time of reflection for me, and this year is no different. I am so rich and my life is so blessed — certainly not by monetary things but by things money cannot purchase.
Today my son called me — he and his best friend and roommate were visiting in a neighboring county and they were contemplating stopping by on their way — I bribe w/ home cooking : ) — but he called to say they decided to head back into the city to hang out w/ friends — and that was okay. I was young once, too. The last words we spoke to each other were “I love you” — and I will be honest, there have been more than one phone conversation w/ that boy that did not end w/ that sentiment —
In dealing w/ civil cases, usually car accidents, that resulted in death, I can’t tell you how often I heard the words, “If only …” often people were late or perturbed w/ the deceased or a thousand other normal every day reasons — they didn’t say “I love you” — I also worked w/ estates — grown men and women tearing up saying: I know my father loved me; I just wish he could have told me once.
Maybe in this new year, while remembering Morgan’s story, we fess up to those we love that we love them every time we say good-bye — we ask forgiveness from those we’ve treated unkindly and forgive those who who’ve harmed us, even if it was a kid from 5th grade that said something mean on the playground.
And in a strange twist of fate, my kid just called me as I typed this. He wanted to bring his motley crew of pals and have a bon fire in my backyard tomorrow night (when it’s supposed to be 16 degrees) — I told him no, because I have to be at work at 8 AM Monday morning — see, you have to love yourself, as well — but compromised and said either next Fri or Sat — he had to work out the details — he was cool w/ that — and I ended my call w/ a big fat gushy “I love you” —
I’ve come to care about you all on this page — envy the ones of you w/ small children and identify w/ the ones of you w/ older kids who are away from the protective shelter of your wings — and laugh out loud at the elegant Observer, digging out a place in the mountain of snow for her puppy to go potty —
I pray that one of the many theories advanced on this board is “the” one, and that Morgan is found sooner rather than later …
I pray that you are all kept well and protected as this next year stumbles by –
I thank and bless Blink and crew for the hard work they do on behalf of MP –
And I still talk to Morgan throughout the day — where are you ? Help us find you.
Peace to all —
PS: Where is our Observer ???
Hi All,
-7 and counting……….degrees here, and sitting safely by the fire inside, with a glass of wine of course. I guess I’m officially all footballed out, and 10 lbs holiday heavier……so to speak. In I am in for the night.
Thinking of Morgan. and reading the posts…..
IMomof3:
Oh, I just do not what to think anymore. I do know, that we have to keep the faith in LE, we just have to.They have info. I knw they do. We just need to keep the faith.
I am open really to any theory plausible theory at this point. I cannot confidently say that I whole heartedly believe exclusively one theory. I can also state that I would buy into any of the theories presented here, with the only exception being the runaway scenario.
I believe that the purse was staged with ANY scenario because she was supposed to be at the concert, and to also to throw LE off. Damit the purse makes her be there. If I throw it there in the lot, takes me off the hook.
I do think, as far as the friends go, that they, and Morgan as well, had a preconcieved story to Morgan’s parents that they had to stick with. They may have pre parties, tailgates…etc… to go to, but they need to stick to their story, even after the fact, and even with the dissappearance of Morgan . I personally think the friends story is too simple. It would be interesting to hear if one of the would break down and say Mr. Harrington, we lied, we really were going to go to this party, or Mrs Harrington, Morgan told us about this guy that was going to take her back stage…….NO. We are not hearing this. They are not talking. The 2 cars lends me to believe that someone in that party was leaving at some point, and they all knew it. I believe that this is where the disconnects happen to LE and DH. They have to stick with what they told them. I also find it strange that they had 2 cars there that night at the concert. Why would they drive 2 cars when all of them could have driven into one car? We still do not know. It has been mentioned that Morgan speculatively, that Morgan didn’t want her friends to not have a ride back, so hence, she HH. WRONG. 2 cars were there. They had another vehicle there, they could have gotten a ride, if Morgan took the car, her OWN car back to her Apartment.
Also, as Blink states, and as much I hate to say this, there may have been an on going dispute between frinds up to the concert, and as “Roxy” says in her post, “perhaps they tried to make the best of it”.
If Morgan ended up outside the arena, perhaps the friends were already upset with her, or had a un reconciled dispute, and Morgan was trying to mend this relationship with buying the tix to Metallica? But in any case, if they were already at odds, before the concert and possibly during the first 2 acts of the concert, perhaps they, the friends, because of the dispute or tension prior, and I’m going to say this…..thought, and it has been quoted by Roxey and also I believe OYE, that perhaps she (Morgan) had it coming, meaning that she deserved to “locked” out of the arena. I do not believe that they wished for her to vanished, abducted, and or murdered if that is the case. Perhaps a little payback , game playing at the concert I’m thinkin. I believe someone said payback in their quote. Let her stay out there type of mentality. I know this seems harsh, but this is what I think can explain why the friends have said this and why they didn’t respond in a normal loving “the 9 way” . I am not comfortable personally with this scenario, but it is very possible, and we have to accept this if the friends were involved with her at least being barred from the arena by luring her out. They probably had no idea that she would be faced with a perp, or any type of danger.
The friends also have said that this was common behavior for Morgan. My gut feelings says “NO”. I believe she was tricked out of the arena, (possibly by her friends) but ultimately resulted in foul play with which her friends did not forsee.
I do not favor this scenario, but it is a possiblity.
My number one choice is of a scenario is the lure of a backstage ticket, meet the band etc….or something like that. I do do believe she was there.
BB Players are also a theory.
My third scenario is that she really wasn’t there at all. FACTS show she may have NOT been there, and the purse was staged.
As Suz mentioned in an earlier post, the necklace was released strategically. (although mid to late in the investigtion)
I loved it when you said in your post, “they know so much, but at the same time know so little.”
I dunno Momof3. You seem to have a better grasp than me. At this point Momof3 I am open really to any theories. I just hope LE has a POI. I really do.
Also, on a final note of my very long post…….the perp did remove the battery. There was info on her phone that may have captured him, her final moments with him and as one poster put it, “her only means of security”, meaning she did take pictures with her phone. She was smart, perhaps induldged with alcohol, and somewhat impaired, but I believe she tried to defend herself.
First, lol, I had the night off with my family and watched Movies, played Clue and read “Eclipse” together with Blinkette into the wee hours so I am WAY behind. I started reading your comment and thought, wow, she’s hitting the vino at 10:45am.. So sorry for that, lol.
I just want to win the captain obvious award- are we noting we are full circle here in almost every point?
B
Lord, maybe we should call the Pet Psychic — I swear, I just turned on Animal Planet and for the first time I ever saw this, the pet psychic is on TV — she is connecting w/ people and pets in the great beyond — who knows ?
She advised the pet owner to put drops of the owner’s urine in a bowl where the cat is peeing on the antique furniture —
Where can I apply for this job ??? <> : )
Sky- because I have great respect for you, I am going to simply step over this one w/out comment.
I double checked this one was you, lol.
B
Hi all, I’m still reading to catch up and am wayyyy behind so I don’t know if one of you guys already found this. What do you think of this?
UVA police logs – from 11/23
LOST PROPERTY – Newcomb Hall Bookstore 200901575/44
Reported camera found
RPT: 2014 11-24-09 OCC: 1000 11-23-09 to 1040 11-23-09
CASE STATUS: Active
BF quarrel is how we began. Someone (BF) was to meet her outside at 9pm. She got stood up and mad and couldn’t get back in. Was the “kickee” involved as an married guy? Complete stranger?
I still believe the impetus for her going outside the arena, especially as she’d already gone to the bathroom inside, was some plan gone awry. Either the BF did away from her or a random BG did.
I can’t see it any other way.
Yep.
Based on LE’s last statements, I am convinced she was not “asked to leave”. Why admit to the drinking and “off behavior” and not that it was the reason she got outside the JPJ if it was?
B
Is it possible that the friends actually *did* show great concern for how Morgan ended up outside and whether she could get back in, whether she found a ride, etc.?
Just cuz LE hasn’t coughed up the details about the conversation the friends had with Morgan, and the friends have maintained their radio silence, it doesn’t necessarily mean that they didn’t try to help her or worry about her, does it?—granted, not to the point of leaving the concert, but perhaps Morgan convincingly insisted she was fine or had a plan?
Sunshine–can you point me to a link about the broken strap? I’m considering it to be an internet rumor until I’ve seen it officially reported in a news story or press release or something, but if I missed something like that, I’d love to know.
If we are willing to give LE the benefit of the doubt (that they are sitting on all kinds of great leads and evidence and even a POI, even tho they say there isn’t one), should we also cut the friends some slack? It sure seems like they have been instructed to keep mum, and if so, then they haven’t been able to defend themselves as to how they actually acted that night. Maybe they acted like great friends and tried to talk her into letting them help, and she flatly refused. Maybe they kept calling her so much that she took the battery out of her phone. It’s impossible to know based on, as you said, what we’ve been fed.
I don’t know what LE’s motive would be to let the friends twist in the wind like that, if it’s true that they could set the record straight and clear their names by telling us what really happened, but then I don’t understand LE’s motives for most of the info they are withholding, so who knows.
We have a disjoint in info.
Dee S statement that they called Dan S. to meet up with their crew, states that “They lost their friend (Morgan) and that they did not know what happened to her…” Also tells me at the time that conversation had taken place, at least Dan was not worried, and since he was holding her keys, one might think they expected to meet her outside, or the implication was they had again tried to get a hold of her. This is supported by Amanda Melvin’s early comments that they got outside and her car was in the lot. This has also bugged me. If they are so positive she had no access, why was that a surprise?
Couple that with Lt. Rader’s adamance that there were no plans for them to meet up later while her dang car was still there-
If I were Dr. Harrington, and I say this respectfully, if I reached a point where I was feeling the investigation was at a standstill, and from the reference to “tense” describing their last meeting with LE, I think it might be getting close, I would publish a redacted cell record of Morgan’s that night. Because I am aware of some intentional Mis-information that has been spread between PD’s in this case, I have some serious questions as to “why.”
B
with, not from…and I’m from St. Louis!
“I keep going over this. I keep asking myself.. What emotions would make me act in the way I know Morgan did?…
I know I am 40, but embarrassingly enough, I have had more than my share of public BF spats in my youth I’m afraid.
Dumping of purse out looking for something, dropping of purse, necklace, alleged hitchhiking, goes to bathroom and gets outside somehow. Tries to get back in, can’t. Friends never had plans for her to meet back up.
This is screaming BF quarrel to me, as it has from day one.
Maybe the result, Maybe the impetice for her ultimate fate, but I am convinced it is part of this.
B”
This would go back yet again to the circle.
Yes. a component of what happened to get her out of the arena, or her ultimate fate I cannot say.
I need to call Gavin and get my cut of his royalties I think, lol, but in prep to begin working with Blinkette and accepting her gift of fear, I read the audiobook again yesterday.
For everyone that read it on here, and applying it as best we can, the answer is on here long already.
There are people in denial of what their intuition is telling them that need to talk to LE.
B
blink: sorry but i am back thinking about “the necklace”! i thought i remembered the photo accurately. it had three links in the middle of the chain but the one that i saw posted on ebay, showed two links hanging from the chain. i also checked from Word Girl’s link way above. same site and same hanging two-link necklace. this has me perplexed.
could Morgan’s necklace be the one Mrs. Harrington talks of as “unique” from her brother because it was not like the ones sold on ebay by “shoujo kakumei from dallas? but it was actually a modified necklace by a jeweler or artist in new york that Alex had access too. this would explain why it is important and not the purse. although i am with you that both would be important. maybe the person that had it did not realize that Morgan’s brother gave her a very unique gift, indeed.
i also cannot help but to ponder your earlier statement about ms. geller’s comment on the necklace. maybe LE knew that Morgan had dropped it and the bbplayers picked it up and never told until they were confronted by LE. as everyone was searching for it, it was either in the possession of a player, relative or girlfriend and LE did not know this yet.
i apologize for not remembering but when did the bbplayers get called in by LE?
maybe something and then again, as i keep getting lamer and lamer, maybe nothing. i think you said have patience or something to that effect but it is a new year and well, i guess we shall see what that brings. my thoughts go out to the Harrington family. this must be exhausting for them. i can only pray that they have some sort of daily peace.
thanks and am now searching for limo driver and bbplayer news archives.
Personal note to fish: I am very sorry for your Husband’s loss, and your own Dad’s condition, please know your in my prayers.
B
Maybe the same person who stole the purse, used it to lure Morgan out of the arena to recover it.
Has her cell phone been forensically processed by LE.. Looking for deleted contacts, text messages, and photos?
Thanks to Blink, my 18 year old daughter is the owner of The Gift of Fear. Whether she will read a book from her “paranoid” Dad to be determined.
I am having that issue with my own Blinkette at the moment. Interesting you bring up that point.
For me, because of my profession I tend to put exclamation points on all of these sort of issues, and of course point them out. It also takes up alot of time. Although I strive to maintain balance, covering cases and monitoring this site is not an 8 hours a day gig so you can imagine I hear “Mom, I don’t want to talk about your work..” Not to give the impression that my children do not support this work, they just want their Mom when they want her, anytime of the day or night, chop chop, so you get where I am going with that-
There are many specifics about things I work on that Blinkette and Blink Jr are not ready for, so regardless, reviewing this book and it’s contents requires my direct participation in the event something frightens her, or needs elaboration or practical application. What I did was purchase the audiobook, which is the abridged version, and Gavin reads it personally. I thought if I removed myself a bit, and it was not such a Mom directive, that would help.
If that does not work I usually just say, “If I die in a fiery crash tomorrow you will feel guilty that you did not read this for me, it would have been you denying your beloved Mother her dying wish.. Are you ok with that?”
Heh heh. NO. I do NOT have a problem manipulating my way through the education of my kids personal safety. Not a lick.
B
well, who the heck was the boyfriend, blink?
I know of a few formers, but as I said, it could be a conduit to what ultimately happened to her.
OR
It could be a case of current unrequited affection due to interest in another- my original profile in this case. The friends and the family not being allowed to discuss certain aspects of this case also supports that, fwiw.
B
rita someone somewhere did say (male) he saw her inside arena at 7:30 at tshirt counter,appeared sober,sorry couldnt link ,also did anyone notice in the cavalier article dated dec 1 ,it states the basketball players where recently interviewed and then mentions they were also interviewed before oct 28 th,interesting wording to read between the lines:http://www.cavalierdaily.com/2009/12/01/athletes-questioned-in-missing-girl%e2%80%99s-case
Happy New year to Blink and all. I saw this on MH Facebook page and thought it was worth looking at :
Billie Burns has anyone seen this????
I found this log entry yesterday. Would someone please forward to VSP
just in case they haven’t compared this note with UVA PD? Due to the
status being active I am assuming no one has claimed the camera. No
description here either so maybe it’s Morgan’s.
UVA police logs – from 11/23
LOST PROPERTY – Newcomb Hall Bookstore 200901575/44
Reported camera found
RPT: 2014 11-24-09 OCC: 1000 11-23-09 to 1040 11-23-09
CASE STATUS: Active
Yesterday at 12:05pm
I hope Morgan is found peace to her family and peace to all.
J2k
In other words: LE has known for quite some time what the interaction between MH and these guys consisted of that night, and there is supposedly no current POI in the case. Oh, and there has been no confirmation (I’ve seen) that the three unidentified players who spoke with MH were even the two suspended.
This angle is tenuous at best, but until LE starts identifying other witnesses by name and /or occupation/school affiliation, I suppose they’re all we’ve got, huh?
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I completely agree with you. I feel as if we have been given one of those dreaded word math problems that we used to get in school. You know one of the ones they would throw in there to mess with you, that was missing part of the equation? I would try my heart out to figure it out, it would drive the entire class insane! No matter how we worked it, we could never get the answer without more information!
I personally feel as if Morgan was meeting someone, maybe a BF/XBF stalkerish type, or she met with an extremely fortunate (for them) psycho predator. I also feel if the latter is true, then LE has misled the public with their safety statements. My brother is a detective and he feels LE definitely has their eye on a specific person, or they would be all over this ESPECIALLY because it happened on/around a college campus!
I know we have pictures of Morgan with SGM, but do we know if they ever dated? Was he stalking her? Anyone have insight into this?
In response to part of MOMof3 statement from yesterday:
“Dew, that’s what bothers me. And not even so much a lack of concern by the general “friends” inside, but specifically her roommate, AM. She was riding with MH to and from the event – they lived together! So, let’s say MH gestured she was going to the bathroom during the LOG set, walked away and perhaps tripped and fell as she left the area (seen by the witnesses who helped her up and noted she seemed incoherent), had a mark on her face and began crying (bathroom/smoking lounge accounts), and somehow got escorted out/slipped out not thinking about the no-return policy; SS finally gets her on the phone at 8:48 (”Dude, where the hell are you? Metallica’s about to come on!”) and MH says she outside the arena, can’t get in, and will “find a ride home.”
Is it possible that Morgan actually provided more info to her friend than just that she would “find a ride home”? Perhaps LE is just not releasing more of the conversation and that is also the reason friends aren’t talking more? Maybe the real converstion is close hold? Just speculating….
RE #1497 It would seem with the information re the purse/necklace that maybe the Harringtons did actually ask friends to keep quiet. Perhaps Morgan went outside to meet up with BF/exBF, they had a heated argument, she walked away, starts thumbing. BF sees her, drives up, says something like “Morgan, this is crazy, get in the car and let’s get a drink and talk.” Things escalate… So, maybe everyone knows exactly who it is that she was with, there is just no evidence of any wrongdoing? Just a thought…
Blink. I know Le said the friends are not POI. I am having a hard time regarding the lack of picture taking. Is it just a rumor that Dr. Harrington posted that there are no photographs, at all, of Morgan, Amy, Sarah or Dan on October 17th.? Did he say that? Everyone keeps saying that LE must have pictures and are just not releasing them because of the investigation. Also the newspaper delivery lady is so sure she saw Morgan at 3am on the Lawn. She recognized her because of her eye make-up. Don’t they think she is credible? Why is this taking so long to break? I so much want resolution to this case. They still seem to think it was not a serial/stalker killer on the loose in C’ville, right?
O, where are you Morgan?
Heh heh. NO. I do NOT have a problem manipulating my way through the education of my kids personal safety. Not a lick.
B
Me either B, I am just glad to know that I am not the only one!
It drives my daughter CRAZY that I want her to call me when she arrives somewhere safely, and before she leaves to come home. She is off to college next fall, I informed her that this will continue then, She informed me that it would not….. I then said she could expect many visits from me on Campus then, and that I am not above calling the Dean, security, professors etc.! She has agreed to continue calling me!
Tie it to the bank account.
B
susanm, thanks for the tshirt counter sighting; interesting that the guy thought she was sober, and I think she was until whatever changed the course after the fall. I’m puzzled by reports of her being outside walking, talking, texting for such a long time, (over an hour), in such cold weather, and hope she had a jacket. In fact, I’d like to know how all in her “party” were dressed, as people have reviewed so many tapes looking for her at the concert. I’m going now to read your cavalier daily link, thanks.
How do we reconcile the theory of a BF or XBF or wannabe BF with a) her leaving the arena; and b) repeatedly trying to regain entry?
How do we reconcile Dan Harrington’s (was it really him in FindMorgan?) remark that “we” (the family? the family AND the police?) don’t have a photo of Morgan that night with a) friends who take photos of everything; and b) security camera inside, around, and beyond JPJA?
Thank you, Blink, for your kind words and your response to my question about the necklace.
Personally, I think they had a very good reason for withholding the information for a month. In fact, if there is one thing that I do get in this whole case, it is that. I may have even withheld that information for longer than a month.
I guess it is possible that the BB players said she was not wearing a necklace, and that’s why they stated she possibly dropped it. But, that would lead me to something else, which I would rather not speculate on at this time.
Without going further into my “reasoning”, I will say, the necklace, being unique and all, is Key to this investigation.
“BLINK: I believe Granny, what can I say?
I will also say this, I spoke to an LE official ( upon request does not wish to be named). They had not even heard of the “Kickee” incident- wtf?”
Well, I believe her, too! I tried to talk myself out of believing her a couple thousand posts ago, but failed. But she just seems to stay in that “debunked” column, doesn’t she? Only reason I can figure is if LE believes her, but knows who it was, and it wasn’t Morgan?
Now, if you are telling me that LE didn’t read the published articles, and thus hadn’t even heard of kickee–WFT is mild indeed.
I am saying I brought it up to someone and they were unaware of it. That’s all i know.
B
I am new to BOC and I love this site! I look forward to the evenings (after I put my kids to bed) and I can catch up on my reading. I’ve only commented a few times as I don’t feel I have much insight to offer but I would like to share my perspective on her friends actions.
I was once 18 – 22 myself and back then I was a wild child! I had an antenna on my head that would signal if there was a keg of beer within a 20 mile radius. I had a fake ID at 18, my own car, smoked cigarettes, lived at the beach during the summers and lived for 25 cent nite at the local bar. I attended a big university and NEVER felt unsafe in my surroundings. We walked alone at night, went home with “randoms” (no, I’m not proud of this one), drank until we blacked-out, slept on the beach, you get my point. Even though we were wild and liked to have fun, we always looked out for one another. We were not fortunate enough to grow-up in the cell phone era so we had no means of communication if we got seperated. I can remember numerous times walking around at a party or a bar looking for my friends to make sure they were okay. I also remember on more than one occassion, them coming to look for me. I remember feeling uneasy until I knew where they were and they were okay. We also would NEVER leave anywhere unless we knew for sure we were all accounted for and had a ride home, especailly if were away from “home”. Remember, we didn’t have the luxury of cell phones (instant communication) so this was much more difficult. We would wait hours for one of our friends to meet us in the parking lot and then head home.
My point is even though we felt safe in our surroundings and thought we were invinsible we would have NEVER left somewhere without knowing exactly where they were…unless there was a fight. I do remember having a fight at the beach with one of my friends and throwing her suitcase out the window (not a memory I will share with my own kids)and telling her to leave. We were roommates and I told her to get out. I had no idea where she went (she didn’t have a car there)and at the time, I didn’t care. I assumed she would find a place to stay. Thinking back, we were 17, had no transporation, no cell phones, no credit cards, had been drinking cheap keg beer and we were 3 hours from home. Thank God she knew where another friend was staying and went there for the night until I cooled off (which I did the next morning).
I think there was a fight of some sort between Morgan and her friends (at least one of them). We’ve all said/done things when we’ve been drinking and not meant it or things got blown out of proportion. I’ve thought from day one that what happened to Morgan lies with the friends. I DO NOT think they were responsible in anyway. I DO think they hold valuable information as to where she could have gone once she got locked out of the arena. I hope they have been honest and forthcoming with LE and the Harrington’s.
I hope and pray Morgan is found soon and the Harrington’s can have some peace and closure, which is what they deserve. Thank you all for your valuable insight. Sorry for the long post…I guess I didn’t realize how wild I really was…yikes!!!
“Except for the fact that Dee S and her BF Zack BOTH wore Metallica shirts to the concert, so I am afraid I have to debunk that one-
B ”
Wow, Blink, you must be a mind reader. Spooky. Seriously, over the past few days I wanted to ask you about the photo you said previously you had of Dee and Murter in front of the arena, and what she was wearing, but I thought perhaps the question wasn’t one for answering. If she was wearing a Metallica t-shirt to the concert, at some point she must have changed, because I don’t believe she is wearing one if that is her we have seen in the video taken towards the end of Metallica. Her top has no visible markings.
By, the way, if you can answer, was BF wearing a yellow wrist-band?
You can only see the detail in the actual photo, not the video, and it is graphic, not writing.
Whose BF? If Zach, yes.
B
Blink — most fondly speaking I think you do win the captain obvious award for the best phrased understatement of the year: “We have a disjoint in info.”
I get that alot. Thanks.
B
“Tie it to the bank account.
B”
Do not underestimate this advice. Due to privacy laws, tie grade reports to bank accounts, too; there are many stories flags can be read between the letters–alcoholism, depression, eating disorders, abuse, serious illness, etc.–you may never know until it is too late. Without those reports, how do you know that your child is even IN school?
I may have access to your child’s records–but I can’t call you. I may know that they haven’t been sober in a month–but I can’t call you. I may know that they have dropped all their classes three semesters in a row–but I can’t call you. I can refer them for counseling or send them to the hospital–but I can’t call you. You raised them; you wrote the checks–but i can’t call you. And if you call me, I can’t discuss with you.
Sorry, if too OT, but I’ve deleted lots. Don’t get me started on conflicts between drinking age and other personal responsibility laws.
Yep. Very true. I mean no disprespect to anyone, but I am seeing alot of ” Freinnants” in this circle. Meaning Parents behaving like friends to underage kids with full knowledge of this behavior.
Call me a prude, but over my dead azz will I send my kid off to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to condone a lifestyle that puts them in jeopardy of their safety. I don’t get it.
B
Thanks, Blink. Interesting, but not surprising, that there is intentional disinformation out there. Of course, there are so misinformation out there, you almost don’t need intentional disinformation. I am undoubtedly a victim of the misinformation myself. For instance, te: the friends’ post-concert activities, I’m still not clear on:
* whether they just plain old left, or if they waited awhile to see if she showed up (perhaps trying to call her disabled phone and having it ring to voice mail)
* whether they stayed in town and went to a party, or went straight back home
* whether they came by the parking lot the next morning (I got that idea from something i read somewhere, an old news story maybe), or they didn’t
I wish we could just get a data dump from the friends as to how that whole day transpired—times and places and events. When they went where, when they moved on to the next location, etc., when they arrived at the next place, what they did. What they said to Morgan and vice versa in that last phone call. Etc. I know, I’m dreaming. Just a wish—sure would be helpful, tho.
Re: the camera, supposedly Dr. H has said it’s a red Kodak V530, but I’ve only seen that in a comment somewhere (not a news story or press release or anything official) so take if FWIW.
fish, I guess the necklace could have been modified, but I’ve just assumed that they meant more that it was unusual or rare (meaning that they’ve never seen another one of these in a store in cville, or on another person).
Not sure how limited-edition Swarvoski items are, but maybe they are not totally mass produced.
Skyler thank you for your post 1502. You calmed me down. I needed that. A gentle nudge. Funny how shouting never gets ones attention but kindness does.
For some reason in my dream world LE has full platoons working on the Morgan Harrington case. You brought me back to earth. Perhaps one man, hardworking and trying his darndest to find Morgan and what happened to her. Perhaps in three months he has another case added to his pile and of course the previous cases he was working on.
I promised myself this year, again this year, that I would find patience. That has eluded me time and time again.
Blink I have to ask. Is there any previous tie to the BB players? Maybe six , now nine, months ago did Morgan or her friends know, date or party with them?
And then this,
Mothers of children still under your wing I would like to say this. Don’t be afraid of a little tough love in raising your children. Make them personally responsible. I was a tough love mom when tough love was not popular. My children had ownership of their decisions. I remember telling them, ” Don’t waste your one phone call on me, I am not coming.” I never slept a wink until my children were in the door. I sat in a chair by the door..waiting. Curfews were set, early curfews, and not broken. I have four and they are all professionals raising nice children. I believe it began long ago when I said “If you do it, you own it”. God bless all the mothers and fathers that love our children so very much. Most of us would lay down our lives for our children.
Last Sunday the homily was about doing all you can. Father explained his fasination with fantasy football and how much time and effort he puts into chosing the right team. He asked us, are you doing all you can to raise responsible adults. Good question.
Blink, you are probably aware of this already. Still, thought I’d post this to you, on the off chance you haven’t seen it.
http://truthnjustice.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=btr&action=display&thread=132
Not trying to fuel the fire, just want you to be aware of what has been posted. As you know, that board was set up by Questioner.
Thanks Clem.
Yawn. I am aware. It never ceases to amaze me when people are exposed for what THEY caused themselves, the first response is to attack others. Pathetic.
B
Laughing Way Out Loud — Blink, I meant that absolutely tongue in cheek — I was just really frustrated w/ the whole “psychic” angle — if you’re a psychic and really truly get mental/psychic impressions, then why do you have to have contact w/ LE or family and why do you have to have a thousand bucks upfront w/ no refund — why not just put yourself in your car and drive to where Morgan is ? Collect the 150 grand, do not pass “go” and do not collect $200 — so I turned on Animal Planet — one of my favorite channels — and lo and behold, there was the Pet Psychic telling her “client” to get her cat to stop peeing on the expensive antique furniture — put a bowl w/ the owner’s urine near the furniture and it will stop !!!
She probably got paid a thousand bucks for that “psychic” piece of advice — I was like: I want THAT job — ha
Don’t worry — haven’t crossed over to the dark side — yet ! Still laughing
>>Comment by skyler — January 2, 2010 @ 11:29 pm
Lord, maybe we should call the Pet Psychic — I swear, I just turned on Animal Planet and for the first time I ever saw this, the pet psychic is on TV — she is connecting w/ people and pets in the great beyond — who knows ?
She advised the pet owner to put drops of the owner’s urine in a bowl where the cat is peeing on the antique furniture —
Where can I apply for this job ??? : )
Sky- because I have great respect for you, I am going to simply step over this one w/out comment.
I double checked this one was you, lol.
B
1507,Blink….distressing doesn’t even begin to describe it.
In searching for info on whether the strap was broken, I found Chad’s post above #1385 and realized I made very similar comments in my post. I just want to say I did not notice this post before and I certainly would not paraphrase someone else’s comments deliberately. But it’s good to know that I’m on the same wavelength as others. I’ve had my thoughts about the purse ever since the confirmed report that Morgan was seen hitchhiking. It makes me believe that she was not picked up by some random driver but rather by someone who knew where she’d been prior. That is, IF she WAS picked up on the bridge. I also wonder about this. How can LE know she was picked up but not know if she got in willingly or have a description of the vehicle? Unless they do but aren’t saying.
Anyway, I still can’t find a confirmed report that the strap was broken, so maybe it was a rumor..?
@ 1507
Because I am aware of some intentional Mis-information that has been spread between PD’s in this case, I have some serious questions as to “why.”
B
This bothers me on so many levels. Can you elaborate on this, Blink?
I just wanted to add that I hope everyone has a better New Year. Hoping 2010 brings health, wealth and happiness to all. I sit here and reflect on life and how fragile it really is. I am dealing with problems that one of my children is facing and I wish that a hug, kiss and “I love you more than life itself” would just make it go away. Then I am reminded by Morgan’s case and countless others that this too shall pass and I can still hug, kiss and tell my children I love them. Unlike so many others that may never be able to do that agan.
Not at this time, no, sorry.
B
Lee, #1517
That was not me. But I have thought that Morgan must have told her friend more than “I’ll get a ride” But then I have heard that it was probably too loud to have a conversation and they may have only yelled the essential parts. I hope they did talk to each other more, and that LE is privy to that conversation. The thing that really bothers me though is LE has stated now that Morgan was acting irrationally.
When did this behavior start? Irrationally says to me more than just drunk, it implies that people tried to talk to her, tried to help her, tried to reason with her but she could not rationally listen to them or interact with them. Or does it mean she was acting like a person who was hallucinating, running from someone or something not there? Was she acting paranoid? If she was, considering she disappeared maybe paranio was the right emotion to have. As someone said up thread what was irrational about her behavior? She was locked out, she stayed in the lots (until the last sighting) she texted her friend several times,she tried to reenter,more than once, and she talked with people.
The only irrational behavior I heard about was the kickee encounter, and from what Blink just stated LE wasn’t even aware of that possible interaction. To me even that encounter wasn’t irrational behavior, but more likely drunk behavior. So that in my mind leaves the phone call with SS, the texts and the basketball players. What did she say to them? If she was acting irrational with SS, at that early on, why would they chance leaving her alone? If her texts were irrational couldn’t we chalk that up to being drunk IDK? So again that leaves the BB players.
Rita, susanm,
I went back and found the article regarding the possible found black t-shirt it was from October 20th
snipped:A job fair was held at John Paul Jones Arena Tuesday. Hundreds of job seekers showed up, but just a few hundred feet away, down in the creek, police probed with batons, trying to find any bit of evidence. Police spent about fifteen minutes looking over a black piece of cloth. We could not confirm exactly what it was, though it looked like a tarp or a T-shirt. Police collected it for further information.
http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/64718837.html
On this same site I found an interesting comment that gives alittle insight into the possible secruity practices at JPJ take it FWIW:
Posted by: Anne Location: Charlottesville on Oct 27, 2009 at 09:08 PM
How sad that the draconian idiots who run JPJ have inadvertently led to what may be the death of a young woman. I’ve been to a number of shows in the arena, and in fact a number of shows around the country, as I work in the music industry, and have never experienced the harassment at ANY venue that I have from the staff of the JPJ. I was at one show where someone down the row from me had a camera, and the staff proceeded to hover and annoy all of us in the vicinity for three songs while they tried to police the offender several people down. I finally explained to them that I’d paid $100 each for my party’s tickets, and I didn’t appreciate them ruining my evening by staring past me down the row and waving like imbeciles. At least they left us all alone after that. But it’s been like that every time I’ve attended an event there. And now someone is probably dead because they were afraid she took a drink in her car instead of paying their outrageous prices. Unbelievable.
I have a word problem for everyone, especially the locals: A car leaving from the Copeley Road bridge at 9:20 in any direction, within 10 minutes in any direction, where would/could that car be? TIA!
whoops, sorry, I guess that is a straight algebra/math question. But I liked the “word problem” reference earlier. What I want to know is: Where would/could you be in 10 minutes from the bridge?
I read backwards, but commenting on J2K’s post 494 — won’t copy entire post — but this is what has bothered me from the beginning —
Of course, we have no idea what the conversation w/ Morgan was between “ridees” once she was outside of the arena. It is unfathomable to me that they were so lax in their response to Morgan saying: I’ll get another ride home. A freaking hour away ? And THEY are in possession of Morgan’s car ? It is entirely plausible to me that Amy and Sara were not together in the same spot during the intermission between LOG and Metallica — one could have gone to the bathroom, gone to get refreshments (my boys got pizza and soda once they were inside, but not sure “when”) — but these kids today live w/ their phones — if Amy and Sara were not together, they could have called and/or texted, communicated in some way that Morgan was outside and “getting another ride” —
Irrespective of Amy and Sara being together, they drove an hour away from VT to JMU to pick up Sara and Dan, and at some point they were going to drive back to JMU to drop them off. It’s been stated Morgan got money from her dad to pay for gas, etc. Dr. H bought the tickets and probably bought the parking pass. It is just absolutely callous for either of them to keep themselves inside the arena w/out even offering to assist Morgan ….
Unless ….
…. that was NOT the phone conversation. If the conversation really was that Morgan had texted Person X to pick her up, or she was going to find a ride to the “party” if there was a party —
I watched the interview w/ Sara Snead again last night — In her statement she says, “had “we” known, we never would have done “it” — what is “it”
I also read again the postings of someone who claimed to be friends w/ the inner core — his comments have been posted to this board somewhere in the past — in the beginning, he was adamant that TWO cars were driven, and that FIVE people went to the concert — not four — in the beginning of his posts, he is adamant that Morgan’s car never went to C-ville — then “ck’d” w/ one of the “friends” and amended his statement to: definitely her car was there, and another car. Now, he may have been mistaken and assumed the 4th and 5th persons are Dan + GF, not just Dan alone. But he never backed down from the 2nd car being present. What if the “2nd” car is the one containing — I’m horrible w/ names — the guy who said: it was definitely Morgan and she said: we’re here to see Metallica; right ?
The friend Dee is mutual friends w/ is Dan, the alleged driver. You cannot tell me in this day and age of IM, texting, etc. that Dee and Dan had not in some way communicated they were both going to the Metallica concert. Dan’s brother on his FB page is a confessed metal head. If Dan were never intended to go, but then when his gf pulled out and he got her spot/ticket — it makes sense he would be telling everyone: I’m going to Metallica — the JMU campus is a very small world.
Sara Snead looked like hell in that video. Her hair is unkempt, just tangled and even dirty. There is concern in her body language, and also avoidance — she is obviously upset and lying — but I think she is upset that she is going to get in trouble for this and her fear is for herself — not Morgan — bolstered by those pictures from the day of the search.
On Second Thought — shoot, call in the Pet Psychic — she absolutely could not make up any wilder story or provide any more useless info than the “friends”
In the very beginning, LE made the statement that the answer to Morgan’s disappearance was centered at VT and now they’ve revised that to say: it centers around what happened in C-ville — but why can’t you have both — and even expand it to JMU — and w/in that triangle lies the truth …
Unless this is just some random “perp” who saw an opportunity and took it —
I’m still concerned about “beer guy” — and if he is totally innocent, then I apologize — but even that goes back to premeditation of knowing she was going to be at that concert that night —
We are now well into the third month of Morgan’s disappearance, and the ONLY known fact is this: Morgan is missing.
Here’s a snippet of J2K’s post that started me on my little rant and rave. It’s post 494, I believe. It’s well worth reading:
>>>not even so much a lack of concern by the general “friends” inside, but specifically her roommate, AM. She was riding with MH to and from the event – they lived together! <<<
Assuming the purse/phone/camera weren’t damaged/lost while in Morgan’s posession,but that someone else had control over them….
If the phone contains information implicating someone, how would removing the battery keep the information from getting out? Wouldn’t putting a battery back in give access to information, or is everything erased when the battery is removed? Why would someone not destroy the phone itself? The camera is missing entirely – why not just take out & destroy the memory card & leave the camera with the phone?
This could be an indication of someone not acting rationally – in a panic, rashly trying to get rid of evidence but not thinking clearly. This strongly hints at a situation going bad and someone trying to cover his tracks – someone who doesn’t have a lot of time to plan out “what now?” because he’s got places to be, people who are expecting him or would notice his absence. That could be someone known to Morgan, trying to be in her favor, getting rebuffed & reacting violently, or could be a stranger trying to take advantage of her vulnerability. It doesn’t appear to be someone who with forethought planned out an outright violent act.
The longer this goes on, the longer the perpetrator has to recover from his actions & stop displaying any behavioral changes resulting from fear of being caught or remorse. I hope that LE has someone in mind and is exerting subtle cues to this person that he’s not out of the woods just yet,to prolong his anxiety & get him to reveal himself.
The photos of the friends only show moments in time, but they still add up to a picture of young women not devastated by a personal loss. I think they’ve absolved themselves of any responsibility, just as they did that night. Whatever they thought the plan was for Morgan getting home, they didn’t have her back. The Harringtons have been very gentle with them, and I think they’ve taken that as license to Party On.