Morgan Harrington Case: Virginia State Police On New Search
Charlottesville, VA– Virginia State Police are searching an area of route 64, between mile markers 112 and 114 today in their efforts to locate missing VT student, Morgan Harrington.
Located approximately 4 miles west of Charlottesville, VA, the stretch of highway leads up to an early area of interest, Crozet, VA.
VSP PR Manager, Connie Geller says the area is not being searched based on any new tip.
Check back to blinkoncrime.com for this developing story.
Update #1. Jim Hanchett, Newsplex, reports the search has ended for this area today, and is awaiting any news of other possible search areas.
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Roageo, I missed this post originally — was this Ann the person who is writing articles about Morgan ? That disturbs me, as well, about the deletion of posts — from what I’ve read, if Blink does not post a post, she puts a reason why it’s not posted — but for a moderator just to go in willy nilly deleting posts — then what’s the purpose of a forum ?
I don’t post anywhere else, but I do read, and it’s obvious posts are removed all the time ……
>>>Comment by roageo — January 2, 2010 @ 12:58 am
Some of the posters on FindMorgan are questioning whether they are supposed to keep the info in the live chat with Ann private. Some say they think they should since reference was made about a specific BB player. Rumor or real? Also, it seemed that one of the participants posted some info from the chat that brought exclamatory response from other posters and some commented that they were going to immediately copy and save it. It is unknown to me what was posted because it must have been quickly deleted right before I began reading the posts. I tend not to trust any forum that censors and deletes the posts of others when it pertains to public info about this case and does not pertain to derogatory remarks toward other posters. I ask you–has this become a competition?
Lordy.
B
Judi, you are so right! Don’t you feel in yer gut that this would be a really simple puzzle to put together if only we had the same info LE does? What on earth is the hold up??
A couple of things I am thinking about this afternoon.
Skyler you said in the last post where you were remembering that evening..that you got wet and cold. I know it was about 46 degrees that evening. I thought a slight mist but no rain. Was I wrong? Was it a hard rain and do you remember what time it was raining.
My second thought. I was always pretty pure in my belief of Morgans Exit. She watched the two opening acts with her friends. She got up to leave, kissed her friend goodbye, started to leave, decided to take a potty break on the way out. Left the arena. Her exit in my mind never raised an eyebrow. What happened next is the mystery? Did her “friend” never show up? Did she make another stop on her way out and something happened there?
Then again I have to ask myself if she started out to leave so directly what changed her plans and why did she want back in?
What mysteries.
Of course I would have to add; if I believed she was at the concert???
Actually I have started to wonder if there ever was a Morgan? We have nobody but her mother and father remembering her. Nothing going on at all. Perhaps Morgan was only a figment of the Harringtons imagination.
The no pictures or video is what makes me a non believer.
This is the link to an article supposedly written by an ex-FBI profiler — he doesn’t do a profile, but it’s an interesting article — read the comments, too — asking the same questions as us — always back to the friend’s reactions
http://clintvanzandt.newsvine.com/_news/2009/10/27/3431855-where-in-the-world-is-missing-va-tech-student-morgan-harrington
Elizabeth, do you mean Morgan never existed at all — or just never existed at the concert ? There are loads of pre-concert pix of Morgan everywhere — that’s what’s so strange about no pix from the concert day –
>>Comment by Elizabeth — January 4, 2010 @ 4:45 pm
Of course I would have to add; if I believed she was at the concert???
Actually I have started to wonder if there ever was a Morgan? We have nobody but her mother and father remembering her. Nothing going on at all. Perhaps Morgan was only a figment of the Harringtons imagination.
The no pictures or video is what makes me a non believer.
1654 – Elizabeth
I am laughing out loud! I agree that’s what it seems like sometimes! That would explain the reason some of the photos of Morgan look photoshopped!
I know I need to take a step back. Last night I couldn’t sleep and I thought to myself: OMG what if one of the BB players was wearing the necklace during his interview with LE?!! Lordy!
Elizabeth, good points. I’d think Morgan were an unphotographable vampire if we didn’t have at least SOME pics of her.
I’m still never sure from what LE has said, whether they do or do not have some kind of photographic evidence of her being at JPJ. Morgan’s dad is clear that HE doesn’t know, but he doesn’t know whether LE actually has some photos or videos. Is this all part of the (what seems like elaborate) LE strategy to sweat out the perp? I mean, it sure has been a long, long time now. What are they waiting for?
Did Morgan’s FB and emails leading up to the concert yield nothing? Does the POI have an airtight alibi? Is it just that there is still no evidence of a crime?
Hey, Elizabeth. It had started to drizzly heavily around 3:30 when we were just outside Charlottesville — I left and went to a movie. They have enclosed the downtown area to a “no-car” zone called the Downtown Mall, and there’s a big parking deck nearby. I left my umbrella in the car, and when the movie got out around 9 PM, as I was walking back to my car in the downtown area, the skies just opened up and poured — I was back in my car on the next to top floor of the parking deck by 9:10 — sopping wet — my clothes were wet, my hair was wet — I was freezing — I started the car and turned on the heat and called my kid — when I finally made it back to JPJ — the heavy rain had stopped, but the ‘drizzle’ was heavy enough that I had my w/s wipers on and not intermittent — my car has a sky light or whatever you call it — you can open it or close it or pull a cover over it — I remember at the parking lot at EconoLodge I could hear the “rain” — “precip” bouncing on the sky light — but it was not pouring down rain at that point — and the temp had dropped to around 39 by then — but people in Va. will know what this is like, we have high humidity, so even though the temp is 39, the wind chill is always lower — the rain had been sporadic throughout the day — when I stopped to take pix of the haulers, it was not drizzling or raining around 4:30-ish — not raining when I got out of my car in the parking deck around 5-:15-ish — hence, no umbrella — when I saw the car pulled over on side of 64, definite precip falling from sky — not as heavy, but still just miserable — and probably the only reason I remember that car there — my thought: what a miserable crummy night to be broken down.
hope that helps answer your questions : )
sorry about all the posts, but RNMom, your last post made me think of something — are we just assuming that the two who drove the car back to JMU are SS and Dan ? Has that fact been confirmed anywhere ?
Is it possible that the two who stayed and drove home were AM and SS and that Dan hitched a ride back w/ Dee and friends ? — that would be an awfully crowded car, given that Dan is tall — but I can tell you, when I was in college I’ve sat on many-a-console in the front seat where we were piling people in —
I swear, I just want to round up all these players and put them in a room and make them listen to John Denver music until one of ‘em cracks !
This just in; http://www.examiner.com/x-30376-Private-Investigations-Examiner~y2010m1d4-Missing-items-belonging-to-Morgan-Harrington-sought-in-her-disappearance
Am I the only one in shock? This is the third article and this is it????
Skyler it answers my quetions and then gives me many more. I always thought Morgan doing all of this wandering around in 46 slight mist. But according to you, an eyewitness to the weather and conditions 39 and wet, rainy.
I don’t know folks. What Skyler has described kind of rules out most of the eyewitness and most of the other sightings. Who hangs around in rainy cold weather. Not me for sure. Granny had to be in her car with the heater going..how could she see and hear so well what was going on. Those football players had to be hustling along.
That takes out those four folks going over to the RV park too.
The scenes that have been described to me are more for a warm evening in June. Not the weather we are talking about. A young girl dressed in boots, short skirt and a tshirt running around for almost one hour.
My summation is she was either not there or she went outside and got in a car and off she went.
Sorry Blink,
I didn’t mean to be repeating info, beating a dead horse and wasting your time. Someone asked a question I thought wasn’t answered – my bad.
This is what bothers me:
She was on the bridge for less than ten minutes before she got picked up. That BG would have to take a big chance that she would go willingly and nobody was looking. The possibility of a camera pointing to that road has not been ruled out.
The basketball players make sense because they had talked to her, knew where she was going and knew she would go willingly. The only other scenario that makes sense would be someone she called to come get her and LE don’t know who, hence the question if anyone let her use their cellphone.
What if two cars came from JMU? Morgan’s driven by Dan and a second car with I forget who now. Did the driver of the second car go to the concert and stayed there the whole time? I can see where AM calls to check up on Morgan since she wasn’t back from the bathroom and finding out she’s outside tells her she’d get Dan or the second driver to take her to wherever they were planning to party that night.
I don’t think the girls collectively would be luing but one of them may be covering for something that went bad.
LE keeps searching that same stretch of 64 why and for what?
Your a good sport Christy, thanks.
B
Elizabeth, that article seems more like an ad for Ms. Ann Flaherty’s “Rat Dog Dick Detective” agency.
She’s been writing columns for the Examiner, shamelessly promoting her services.
Talk about shocking!
http://www.examiner.com/x-30376-Private-Investigations-Examiner~y2010m1d4-Missing-items-belonging-to-Morgan-Harrington-sought-in-her-disappearance
I don’t comment on this story much anymore because I just don’t have anything of value to add – but I do read all of the comments and am in awe of all of you for sticking with this one. The reason I say that – is that one day about 3 weeks ago I got so frustrated I just had to stop. Why?
Why is everything that comes out of LE in double-speak and may be taken multiple different ways?
Why is every detail at one time verified and then unverified?
Why is the behavior of the 9 completely inappropriate? Why are their statements ambiguous?
Why is there absolutely no photographic/digital/video evidence of Morgan or friends at the arena? In this day and age?
Why does it seem that LE is not releasing details that seem as ‘common sense’ as letting us know how tall Morgan is and what her eye color is?
Why is the university not clearing their reputation and those of their players if it can be done easily?
How does a smart, beautiful, cared-for, college kid just disappear into thin air when she’s supposed to be in a crowded arena with thousands of others?
Blink – even within your own team there are nearly opposite theories. How you guys keep from banging your heads against the wall everyday is beyond me but its inspiring to know that you haven’t given up. You have so much more patience than most. And obviously Blink is not the type to quit when the going gets tough.
LOL. When we get testy, we move to a different case for a while. One of us, ( not telling) swears alot.
But seriously, when you have multi-disciplined individuals, whom I trust their work, it becomes like evidence. For this case, they are correct- if you can’t disprove something it is the same as not proving the alternative.
It will be alot easier if at the end I am right and I can tell them they just have to listen to me next time (as if).
But as I suspect there are going to be enough “rights” to go around in the case.
B
The main thing is, we don’t really care, we want her found.
Okay, so I stepped away for awhile and thought about this case, and my feelings about it.
I have come to the realization that I have spent entirely too much time pondering the friends and their behavior.
I have not come to terms with their seemingly lack of concern or their inability, for what ever reason, to speak in more than just generalities about who went, why they left, who’s car ect.
Here is where I am at with the friends:
SS comment we wouldn’t have done it , to me means, left in Motrgan’s car and returned home, nothing more nefarious than that. IMO
Her friends, SS AM MH OYE ect, more than likely did hold Morgan at arms length, had some jealousy issues and possibly resented her parents babying attitude. Morgan more than likely at one time may have innocently, or not, “stole” a boyfriend or two. They also may have resented the fact that Morgan was too trusting, too friendly and possibly was a bad drunk or other. They probably did think it was karma that she was locked out. Per Roxy, (possibly another friend) there was probably roommate issues with AM, the friends were probably not that close with Morgan any longer. All these things are normal for young woman, we have all felt this way about another friend.
Having said all this, I do not think they had anything to do with Morgan’s disappearance, other than using extremely poor judgment with a splash of “it serves Morgan right.” I do believe, however that they know who Morgan would contact to come and get her, and they do know the situation with any past BF, and any behavior patterns of Morgan while under the influence of drink or other. I will continue to hope that they have told LE everything they could about that night, and previous nights in the hopes it could help LE. I still do not understand why Dan seemed to be sheltered from all aspects of this case, and why everyone seemed to tip toe around his being there. I will have to chalk that up to, he was cleared early, and it must be nice to have a father in LE.
Based on the fact that LE seems to have moved on from them, meaning they seem to be cleared, I think we are butting our heads, again, over and over to rehash their behavior that night and since. I am not giving them a pass. I don’t need to… They will be haunted by that night for the rest of their lives, they are young and will come to realize, that everything we do or say has an affect on those around us, and that life is more serious and memories less forgiving than they could possibly understand right now.
So, Where does that leave me? I think I have to go back to the beginning and start with Morgan in the parking lot. If I do this, the witnesses and LE say she was acting strange, dropping her purse, cell, possibly her necklace and camera. Last known interaction w/ 3 BB players, witnessed by limo driver. Last seen on or near bridge HH
I think I understand LE a little better, I do believe they are trying to speak to a specific person, and make it ok for them to come forward,… We know it could have been an accident…its not your fault….she was acting irrationally…its not your fault….dropping her purse…its not your fault…if you picked her up and are afraid to come forward ….. if you dropped her off somewhere…..not your fault….. maybe you were frightened by her behavior….not your fault.. are in possession of a found red camera……found a necklace…. she may have dropped it….. not your fault….she may have been drugged…….not your fault…she may have been hurt from a fall…..not your fault….not your fault…..To any one who is watching and may have a loved one who is acting depressed….not their fault…..if you know someone who is acting strangely…..not their fault….we can help ease the stress…. living with something like this does not go away……let us help you….. its not your fault….this isn’t a cold case…. it not going away….the truth will set you free….its not your fault……
Blink, I agree with your above comment, of course. I can only hope and surmise that LE knows who is responsible, (essentially) and is waiting.
Fingers crossed on that.
Well, there is one good thing about the JPJ “no re-admittance” policy. It helps us identify who could and could not have been outside during certain times.
If Dee is on video during Lamb of God and then on video with her black-shirted friends at the end of Metallica we know she couldn’t have been the “shaking the leg” girl leaving the arena at 9:02 pm with the three white black-shirted guys. (Recall: the witness saw the group again in the rv lot after she parked her car and assumed they were partying before Metallica went on stage.)
Because of the “no readmittance” policy I doubt the three guys seen with the “shaking the leg” girl were the same guys that Dee came to the concert with because then it would mean that Dee was inside by herself for at least the full set of LOG.
It makes me wonder if the three guys leaving the arena might have still been in the rv parking lot AFTER the basketball players left in their separate vehicles. “Left alone,” as put by LE.
LE alluded to a “window of opportunity” between 9:20 and 9:30. Who had opportunity during that time? Maybe someone she made brief acquaintance with leaving the arena….those 3 guys? The witness claims she was interviewed by LE five times.
# Comment by Elizabeth — January 4, 2010 @ 5:20 pm
“This just in; http://www.examiner.com/x-30376-Private-Investigations-Examiner~y2010m1d4-Missing-items-belonging-to-Morgan-Harrington-sought-in-her-disappearance
Am I the only one in shock? This is the third article and this is it????”
I don’t know if the Harringtons are still employing the PR firm that has handled some extremely high profile cases. If they are, this information and photos regarding the necklace and camera could have been easily and quickly been put together and sent out as a mass media-release A WHILE BACK, rather than having a single, web-site placement after all this time.
This is giving me great pause.
WPG, I admittedly don’t know much about the examiner stuff, but I thought they were simply a scrape site. Meaning they compile content from a few sources, new or old. I don’t think they would have any call to work with a PR person.
The fact that Dr. Harrington is participating in any online activity personally in most cases would mean they are no longer under contract with a PR firm, but that is a guess on my part.
B
Suz, I posted a link to the Geraldo Fox News video like 2 days ago — in that interview w/ Geraldo, which was actually pretty well done, Dr. H states they have footage of Morgan outside of the arena — but I didn’t know if he was confused at that point and referring to the video of Dee inside that was shown on Nancy Grace — or if he’s not confused and there is footage of Morgan and her movements outside of the arena.
the thing that gets me, though — in the beginning, LE made the statement that JPJ did not have any security cameras and that’s why there was no footage. I remember thinking then that a multi-million dollar facility doesn’t have cameras — sheesh —
LE lies all the time — I mean, all the time — and there is case law that backs up their right to lie to try to get people to confess to crimes. That’s why I keep harping on the fact that I wish all of these people would get lawyers, then go to LE for a sit down. I really think they could get to the bottom of what ultimately happened to Morgan using that vein, than trying to solve it on their own so it would be another feather in the cap of prosecutors and LE.
We don’t know — there could have been an accident — I read the other day of a cold case 25 years ago that was finally solved this week when the brother confessed he and his young sister got into a fight, he pushed her and she fell and hit her head on a rock and died and he buried her in a shallow grave. The mother in that case doesn’t believe it, but I’m just saying ….
The best scenario for everyone in this is for the person or persons who do know what ultimately happened to Morgan –even if she is alive in another state — to get legal counsel — if you can’t afford one, one will be provided by the state — and w/ your lawyer present tell everything you know to LE —
they’re going to find out eventually — the state of forensics today it’s almost impossible to get away w/ a crime. And you can be sure LE’s not telling everything they know —
Even if this turned out not to be premeditated, but a crime of passion, going to the police w/ an atty not only relieves the suffering of this family, but gives the perp his best chance for a reduced sentence or deal —
Prosecutors, known as Commonwealth’s Attoreys in Va., are political — voted in by the public — when LE has enough info to put a case together and charges are filed, there will be no deals on the table, the CA’s office will file the most severe charges and Va. juries convict and Va. juries have no qualms about giving the death penalty and Va. governors have no qualms about letting the jury’s decision stand. Va. is known as one of the toughest states who enforce the death penalty. Believe me when I tell you, any place on earth is better than death row —
If any person reading this board knows what happened to Morgan, get an atty and go to LE — it is your only hope.
Blink,
I am sure you are already aware but I don’t know what is wrong with people nowadays and the things they post! Who is the questioner? Seems to have a problem. Oh well – I don’t agree because I have not seen any of the craziness on your site that I have on all of the others. You are the best and so are your blinkettes! Take care.
Morgan’s dad just left this comment on findmorgan.com:
“Just to clarify, after the concert Sarah, Amy and Dan rode back to JMU in Morgan’s.”
Not trying to be mean or rude but poor Doctor Harrington is really struggling with his beautiful Morgan gone, missing. Remember the first few days when he did not know Morgans car was at the JPJ Arena and then he said..I never asked them and they never told me. So because Morgan asked for some gas money for her friend who was driving to the concert..he thought Morgans car stayed at Morgans Apartment. Then the whole family was confused when the videos of DS were shown. It was Dee, not Morgan. I am not sure Dan is clear on who rode back to JMU after the concert. Just saying.
Evidently Kenny who is the moderator on the Findmorgan site asked Ann to keep Morgans name out there. So he is the one that contacted Ann. She in turn asked the Harringtons permission to investigate and write articles which she received..hence the articles. Three so far. I am not sure she would be replacing any PI that the Harringtons have hired. They have never mentioned that in any of the postings. Another secret. This is Anns bio. http://westernintell.com/Ann_Flaherty.html
“The Kiss”
I have yet to see this supposed cheek-kiss verified, publically noted by the Friends, or otherwise substantiated – and, even if it was, I personally don’t see its relevance, as I DO NOT believe MH used her first Metallica concert as an elaborate ruse to ditch her car and friends, devastate the parents who bought the tickets, and take off on foot, with no belongings, to start a new life or get away from it all for a bit. That’s reeeeally out there… and sort of an insult to someone who seems like a generally sensible young woman with a very caring family.
I also don’t think a possible kiss on the cheek from MH before she left for the bathroom even aptly indicates she planned to head out for the night to meet someone – whether or not that *was* her intention (which, as she tried in vain to get back in the arena for 30 minutes right after getting locked out, I do not believe either.)
To wit: I had this incredibly sweet friend when I was younger, but when she got a couple of drinks/shots in her, she would kiss people on the cheek. Excessively. I was subjected to this occasionally when we were out, and found it annoying as I am not touchy-feely, but it was just one of her habitual drunken behaviors triggered when she had one too many. (Kisses usually meant it was time to take her keys, in fact.)
I just think focusing on the meaning of a supposed kiss – that may or may not have even taken place – is a non-starter, speculation-wise.
FWIW, there might be like 100 pics of this group of girls kissing each other at one time or another. In itself, I don’t think it is symbolic per se.
B
1443.Comment by acho — January 2, 2010 @ 9:21 am
… can we take a break and go back first to Blink’s comment at 1252,
“Something has bothered me to my core since the statement from Ms. Wood, UVA. You may have noticed I have not spoken about it, still not going to. Waiting for one of y’all..”
I’ve reread the statement by Ms. Wood and a few things that stood out to me are that she did not state that the basketball players did not have additional contact with Morgan or that they are not involved, or have been cleared of being involved,in Morgan’s disappearance. thoughts?
Hi All.
Skyler: Thanks for sharing that article. I had not read that before. Although dated late in Oct. I felt that it was informative. I did find It interesting in the article that states:
“One report indicates she was told that by arena officials that should she exit the arena, she could not return, but nonetheless she would soon call one of her friends seated in the arena, indicating she was outside, could not get back in, and would find her own way home.”
My interpretation of that quote meant that she demonstrated some type of “confidence” while exiting the arena, if indeed she was in fact told by a secutiy that she could not re enter verbally, she either a) didn’t hear them, for what ever reason…ie impairment or b) she was planning on meeting up with someone to take her backstage possibly,thinking she would not need to re enter the arena, thus continued to exit to exit, or she was planning on leaving the arena to another party desination/venue at that time, and didn’t foresee that she would want to re enter? Trick/lure or promise took her out of the arena at 8:30, and she was willing and did by all accounts risk her rentrance.
However,something goes wrong wants outside the arena, could it be plausible, that once she risked leaving the arena her meeting didn’t occur, friend didn’t show, or her friend could not get her backstage as promised? She then decided to call her friends?
Just a thought.
Momof3: Great post. Sometimes we do hve step away to garner our thoughts. I am with you there. I think it is wise for all of us not to spend another minute on analyzing the friends dynamics the night of the concert.Just the general conflict or tensions is enough to get the picture. ( Although J2K dialouge was pretty damn good) No, they probably didn’t cause or wish anything like this to happen to Morgan. The “it” is probably as you describe. It is what they didn’t do that is disturbing, and probably will haunt them for a very long time throughout their lives. Excuse me if this sound harsh.
Also, in commenting on the press conference and Lt Radars comments, I kindof felt like he was speaking to the perp too, and also perhaps a “parent”. of the perp. I’m getting too long in my post, which I didn’t want to do, but I felt like his comments were also to information to the parent of the perp as well.
So many possibilities and so many great theories. You all have those turns and corners and rocks over turned, that not one person alone could do. It does take a village, and I hope if one of us has helped LE contrive a theory, or a possible theory that their team didn’t think of that would be such a great contribution, especailly if it would lead to finding Morgan.
I love this site, and all you guys.
Fish I see your still fish…….
My take is that have a POI,
“WPG, I admittedly don’t know much about the examiner stuff, but I thought they were simply a scrape site. Meaning they compile content from a few sources, new or old. I don’t think they would have any call to work with a PR person.
The fact that Dr. Harrington is participating in any online activity personally in most cases would mean they are no longer under contract with a PR firm, but that is a guess on my part.
B”
Blink, I wasn’t attempting to link the Examiner with the PR firm at all – - which is why I questioned if the PR firm was still on board. This is not the quality of “proactive” communications work I would expect from a a PR firm that boasts a high-profile client list.
Also, the same author of the previous 2 articles had me understanding her writings would be more in-depth in nature, so I must have misunderstood her assistamce in this case. She certainly has been built up by the family’s website, so this latest Examiner article is baffling and disappointing. What’s the purpose? What’s the objective? “What is the mileage expectations? Is this part of a low-key strategy?
In other words, where’s the heat? Does the tactic of thin public dissemination bother me in that perhaps there are communications (including those of LE) that could be possibly more effective? Yes, yes it does.
OOOOO. You were so right. I surmise the Harrington’s think it could not hurt? This person is a PI, not a writer that I can tell. I think you understood her asisstance perfectly as usual. I agree with you.
B
I meant to say “once outside the arena” not wants. Geeez….apologize about my grammer. Yikes. Sister Hilda would be going for her ruler. I can feel it my knuckles.
Elizabeth: You are so insightful. Your comment post was touching. Dr Harrington to me seems like a gentle giant. Of course he is devastated by his beautiful daughter Morgan. Without question. I am a believer in including the Dan Alex and Gil in the too, and keeping them in the forefront as well. This is a family tragedy.
Momof3 post:
Radar:
I think I understand LE a little better, I do believe they are trying to speak to a specific person, and make it ok for them to come forward,… We know it could have been an accident…its not your fault….she was acting irrationally…its not your fault….dropping her purse…its not your fault…if you picked her up and are afraid to come forward ….. if you dropped her off somewhere…..not your fault….. maybe you were frightened by her behavior….not your fault.. are in possession of a found red camera……found a necklace…. she may have dropped it….. not your fault….she may have been drugged…….not your fault…she may have been hurt from a fall…..not your fault….not your fault…..To any one who is watching and may have a loved one who is acting depressed….not their fault…..if you know someone who is acting strangely…..not their fault….we can help ease the stress…. living with something like this does not go away……let us help you….. its not your fault….this isn’t a cold case…. it not going away….the truth will set you free….its not your fault……
Re 1660 Skyler
No, I never saw it confirmed that one stayed behind. I was going off SS’s comment that she was one of two on the way back. After reading Dr. H’s comment that they all rode back in Morgan’s car I am even more confused. So, are we to assume that all three of them waited around for hours? Where did they wait? I love your idea about playing John Denver until someone cracks, throw some Barry Manilow in there and maybe some sodium pentothal aka truth serum.
B,
I know you have stated that some of your team members believe Morgan never made it to JPJ. If this is the case who do they believe the BB players talked to?
Well, I guess they believe she matched Morgan’s description.
B
http://www.wchstv.com/newsroom/eyewitness/100104_718.shtml
I am not too sure how far this is from Charlottsville? Could it be that Morgan did fall over the bridge onto a train and froze to death?
Blink, you probably already have this info, but thought I would post.
http://www.wchstv.com/newsroom/eyewitness/100104_718.shtml
FWIW–The latest moderator on FindMorgan, Kenny, is a sincere man with a big heart. He has volunteered his time and has worked very hard to help the Harringtons keep Morgan’s name in the media.
I have also known him to be kind and dedicated, although I only know the “e” him.
B
I don’t think she would have frozen to death in October. It also sounds like this is the body of someone who probably died recently.
Could be a homeless person. Sad either way.
Elizabeth,
I believe it is 4 plus hours from C’ville. Based on further reports, and with further investigation, it is unlikely it is Morgan. Authorities on the case said she had identification on her person. They know who she is.
I do not believe this poor soul is Morgan. Agreed.
B
Wouldn’t this be a very different ending than any of us ever imagined. Is there a train that goes from Charlottesville to Nitro, WVA. Could this have happened. Morgan was scented on the bridge and also next to the tracks? Somebody had speculated on something like this happening a while back. Could Morgan have fallen onto the train, losing her purse, therefore the scent next to the tracks and perhaps an animal during the night carried it up to that lot for perhaps something in it to eat like gum or candy. This could work. Praying it is not Morgan but knowing it is somebody that people loved and now have this burden of finally knowing.
More speculation, of course.
re: “we wouldn’t have done IT”
Blink, if your below response to AtotheK has changed for whatever reason since December 11, I trust you will correct my posting of it.
(snipped comment) by AtotheK — December 11, 2009 @ 10:33 pm
“When I think of their friend referring to Morgan as missing…I do not think missing as in missing person/abducted…I think missing as in…”we tried calling her cell but can’t get ahold of her..but we know who she’s with”
Meaning they (MH and whomever she was with) were not at a persons house or a location they may have been trying to get to or supposed to be at that time.
Hence the “or we wouldn’t have done it”
It meaning let her go with him.”
“Actually SS response was when asked if they regretted letting Morgan go to the bathroom alone.
B”
I’m in Charlottesville now; grew up in Charleston, WV. Chas is about 4.5 hr west on 64. Nitro is, I think, on the west side of Charleston.
LOL RNMom — I LOVE John Denver, and actually drug my then 6 y/o child w/ me to his last concert in Richmond the spring before he died in October. I should say, in complete honesty, my child had a temp of 103 degrees, but the pediatrician told me as long as he felt well and could move along, I could take him w/out killing him. Now, if we are in the car and he’s driving me crazy, I throw in a JD CD and return the favor — I also love Barry, and when he was way popular and did the CBS shows every year, a little girl wrote to him and said she and her mom loved his new song, “Looks like Tomatoes …” (Looks like we made it)
I also am known to torture my child by switching on Barry and turning it way up loud and singing: Looks like ta’matuhs’
“Pleeze, I’ll do anything, just turn it off …” HA
I’m all for a sodium pentothal IV : )
OMG — sorry this is way off topic — but I’m watching Antiques Roadshow and this woman brought in some chinese pieces worth between 750,000 to 1.million 70 thou
the woman said: after she got her mouth closed — “Well, damn !”
the appraiser said her grandfather probably only paid about a hundred bucks — shew !!
Lol. You are moving your seat
B
No Suz, she was, definitely. I have seen her in LOG video. What I would like to know, is if any of the friend group ALSO went outside for any reason. I don’t believe I have seen that asked.
B
b: a friend in dee’s group? i am checking and i see that she leaves with three guys but does that mean that dee possibly came with more or met up with other guy friends? did one not come into concert where dee was standing? or one of the three leave at some time and for whatever reason comes back in? this has me perplexed but a good question. i have never even heard of it asked.
also, skyler: i am with J2K, that girls kiss each other all the time, especially when feeling happy! i too, have a girlfriend that does just that when she is drunk and sometimes when she isn’t. to this day, it annoys her husband but he made it into make sure you “take her keys”, to all of us friends when we are out with her! we still do it to this day. J2K, seems your friend is not the only touchy-feely person! thank goodness we have those types! i did see that video on “youtube”, though. two blonde girls at base of a stairway. one leans over and kisses the other’s cheek, then disappears off into the darkness. can’t find it again! still trying…
Fish I see your still fish……. yea, CHAD, way too old for the lobe!!
skyler, “I also am known to torture my child by switching on Barry and turning it way up loud and singing: Looks like ta’matuhs’” My daughter could tell you about the time that I rolled the windows all down and opened the sunroof, and kept this up at a red light. She almost died when a car of cute young men stopped in the lane beside us. I call it stop-worrying-so-much-about-what-other-people-think conditioning. It is probably what my father was doing when he spraypainted the rust spots on his old red pickup pink when I was that age.
How far off topic is this? Maybe not so much. It just doesn’t seem to me that Morgan’s parents are the type to be much worried about what other people think. Certainly not so that they would take one breath to protect her reputation at the possible expense of not finding her. Am I wrong? How does that reconcile with some of the reports?
Mouse,
I do believe that “Kenny” over at the HFMDH site was very instrumental in securing Ann, if you will as a reporter that would run articles.
Kenny, (please correct me if I wrong) recently took over the site as a moderator, and seems to be making all the decisions ( yay or nays) and is also responsible for releasing pertinent info over there on that site. (deleting posts), etc….
Also, I do know that he has mentioned on the wall, that he was trying to get TV publicity to keep Morgan s name out there, or anyone else that would publicize the case, which I personally think is good.
I was surprised to find out that she was a PI. It is all interesting. Many Corporations, lot’s of insurance companies on client list, but didn’t see one missing person case on her list of credentials. A few Law firms, and businesses. I’m thinking prob survellience for workmans comp maybe? Dime a dozen they are.
I agree with you. I hope that this decision was a good one for the Harringtons and will benefit the Harringtons to get closure for their beautiful daughter, Morgan.
Blink,
Sorry about my earlier post – I should read all the other posts before commenting. Thanks again for all the great work you do. And, thanks to all for all of the great “back and forth” conversations – they are quite stimulating, and, they give me much to think about… I truly hope Morgan is found soon as the Harrington’s deserve peace.
No need, thanks for your contributions here.
B
I think I have reached the point where any one theory seems as good as the other. So in a last ditch effort before I succumb to the John Denver music I will turn to my old standby equation…”the most simple explanation is the most likely explanation.”
What is the most simple explanation to Morgan’s disappearance?
How about someone (with no intent to kill) picked up Morgan on the bridge. Something happened to Morgan in the car as a result of the fall, the alcohol or the drugs (maybe she got sick in his car). The person freaked and disposed of Morgan.
I cannot think of anything more simple other than falling off the bridge. (Okay. I admit this wasn’t any help. I think I’ll sign off until I have something useful to contribute!)
It cannot be Occam if your theory needs a body where it fell, friend.
B
B, wpg -
Good points on The Examiner “article.” Just to add to your observations, there is an Examiner for nearly every city that has “writers” who will support it. Essentially, anyone could sling (virtual) ink for The Examiner if they “apply.”
Also, after scanning through the text and gawking at what initially seemed like hackery (all due respect to Ann; it’s just not what I was expecting or in a forum I respected), and then reading down the first page of comments, I came to a similar conclusion: readers are tuning into a PI (apparently celebrated in some circles) trying to generate interest in the case and potentially gain from it in some way.
Those comments are clearly being scrubbed, and the ones that remain for public view are telling.
Yeesh. Not like I had to say that out loud. What is with people?
B
1523 Judi – Judi, you have been doing a tremendous amount of work in the past few days. Here are my thoughts on your quotes.
“Do they (LE) have a description of the guy or car in the Boyd Tavern sighting?”
Excellent question and hopefully they do.
“I still think she went up to the bridge and came back to the parking lot in a car”.
I agree, except I think her PURSE came back in a car. From what information we have, her cell phone activity (texting) stopped at 9:20, which is the exact same time the basketball players left the RV lot (give or take a few minutes but this is police timeline). The RV lot is very close to the bridge. In my opinion, Morgan was picked up on the bridge by someone she had encountered in the RV lot OR left from the RV lot. To me, it doesn’t really matter whether the purse was found in the RV lot or the Cage Lot. It could have been tossed from a car in the RV lot or tossed over the bridge into the Cage Lot. The important point for me is that it WAS tossed, not intentially dropped. The phone powered down at 9:30 pm and is ultimately found without the battery. I think the loss of the battery is irrelevant but the phone powering down may have been Morgan removing the battery if that makes any sense at all. I don’t think whoever tossed the purse and phone realized the battery wasn’t in the phone. That’s just a gut feeling, not based on any facts. If I were the lead investigator, my POI would be the basketball players and/or anyone else in the RV lot at 9:20 pm.
“The only reason I stick to this is the dogs last picking up her scent there, unless she was tossed over the bridge at a later point form that spot, onto an underpassing train car. Slim but I guess not impossible unless there were no trains.”
I do not believe she fell into a train car. I believe LE was trying to make the point they had checked out every lead, which will be important in an eventual trial. I know from the very beginning CSX railroad investigators were involved and I have no doubt (okay have to disclose that my daddy was a railroad man) that they checked out train schedules and investigated any possibility of accidental death or foul play related to train activity.
Finally, it has been confirmed that Morgan had been drinking and was acting irrationally that night. Not a surprise, not a problem. With all due respect to the family, I’m not convinced Morgan wasn’t also under the influence of marijuana and/or ecstasy that night. Now I consider myself an expert on marijuana but I’ve never done X, but it sounds like a pretty cool buzz for a concert. What sort of concerns me is that from what I’ve read and what has been posted by experienced users is that if Morgan HAD been under the influence of ecstasy and/or marijuana she may have been not averse to intimate physical activity. At this point I don’t think there are any squeamish folks on the board.
There are an infinite number of possibilities but I truly think whatever happened was totally unexpected and caused intense panic. I don’t think the friends and whoever was with Morgan when the unthinkable happened had any evil intentions. I do think that the people involved are basically good people, have been raised right, and will eventually do the right thing and come forward. I am truly impressed with Skyler’s advice to get a lawyer and “tell what you know”. The longer you wait the less chance for understanding.
post if you want. know you are tired of hacking over old ground…
just went back and read thru old posts. this whole case stinks. i would like to revisit extracurricular activities on morgan’s part at college, unity church, volunteer with the mental health groups and what other religious affiliations might be also be involved in common things? and, is there any connection between that and the bball players or others with links to morgan? outside “the nine” there do not seem to be many people stepping forward giving stories of morgan. and, of course, we know how forthcoming they have been.
purse could have been planted sunday morning. we need to remember that. if morgan was as stoned as some people claim, i agree, the police would have picked her up… just too many of them around….
blink asked at one point what drug would cause ascerbic,aggressive(kicking?)abberrant behavior? and w/ le saying she may of been drugged,.hmm.. people do die on bad ectascy,i am not familar of the preceding behavior,anyone? even on a good high the first 45 minutes can be very low, down energy,lethargic,anyone?but ive never heard of agggressive or ascerbic connected with it ? anyone?acid ,can bring out fearful,ego vs superego ,suspious,very aberrant behavior,but usually its personality conflict, the person knows it and it not their drug of choice,if they made it through the first time.(same with pot ,believe it or not,some people just dont like it cause of self concsciousness,bipolars are not good candidates,for the psydelic strain,hallucinations in the same way some people flip on acid)BUT,i must say i saw a kid once 16 years old inhale from an aeresol can and he immediatly became very demonic voiced and violent,very strange,i thought he was acting.the nitrous truck?i dont know just throwing some ideas out there on that subject.ghb makes one pass out i’d say within 30 mins. maybe 45. but what about any of these mixed with achohol? what kinda drunk was she? i had a roommate once, we swore she was allergic to alcohol,not normal.
Chad,
I was referring not to the PI’s client list, but that of the high-end Washington, DC firm Levick Strategic Communications portfolio (IMO, the PI and the Levick firm are likely not connected).
IMO, given Levick’s portfolio of clients, I think this was a good choice considering the potential vortex the Harringtons and Morgan might find themselves in with the university and its holdings. They have done incredibly great work – - the family website, Gil’s writings, media interviews, etc (and I believe it is was gratis, or at least gratis in the beginning – - I don’t know the specifics). But the exposure has seemed to drop off. Perhaps they can do only so much based on what they are given.
Much of the difficulty I am having regarding “communications”, lies with LE. Morgan has been missing for 2 1/2 months. Just now, the public has learned of a missing camera. And a highly visible RED one, no less. How can that be? It appears to me, that someone has “sat” on this vital piece of information. Similar to the crystal necklace. Why? How does “sitting on” this help advance finding Morgan Harrington?