Morgan Harrington Case: Virginia State Police On New Search
Charlottesville, VA– Virginia State Police are searching an area of route 64, between mile markers 112 and 114 today in their efforts to locate missing VT student, Morgan Harrington.
Located approximately 4 miles west of Charlottesville, VA, the stretch of highway leads up to an early area of interest, Crozet, VA.
VSP PR Manager, Connie Geller says the area is not being searched based on any new tip.
Check back to blinkoncrime.com for this developing story.
Update #1. Jim Hanchett, Newsplex, reports the search has ended for this area today, and is awaiting any news of other possible search areas.
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Of course going with LE at this point and not looking at the friends in any way, means Morgan was at JPJ and somehow became separated from her friends and locked out of the arena.
Starting from the P.lot…according to the link provided by rvrb (thanks) http://www.roanoke.com/datasphere/wb/224154
Between 8:20 and 8:30 Morgan is seen trying to reenter JPJ she then walks to the p.lot closest to Massie Road and is reported to have talked with several people there-
At 8:48 her friends call her she tells them she is locked out to which they reply with several suggestions about how to go about getting back in… at this point Morgan tells them she might try to get a ride home with friends in Charlottesville.
For the next 12 minutes until 9:00 she is seen in this same area and to LE knowledge never got back inside.
At 9:10 she has crossed Massie Road and now is seen in the University Hall p.lot walking in a group of people (not necessarily with), carrying her black bag going in the direction of Lannington Field Rv lot.
Morgan is seen having “limited interaction” with persons in this lot at approximately 9:20. The last confirmed sighting of Morgan is on Copeley Bridge at 9:30. Morgan’s purse with cell is found in the RV lot the next morning.
To me, Morgan seemed to know where she was going. If this link is correct, and these were her movements, she last told her friends I might try to get a ride home with friends in the area.
Even if she did say this in a pi#*ed off state, in my opinion she meant it. The fact is she did not wander around aimlessly, nor did she double back at anytime, this tells me, Morgan knew where she wanted to go.
This is a pretty tight time line. She texted 1 friend during this time period, what was said? She did not try to call any friends to have them come pick her up, nor did she try to call those inside the arena. LE must have her cell records, who did she know in Charlottesville? The shortest distance between 2 points is a straight line, was she trying to meet up with someone in the rv lot? If so, they obviously weren’t around or she was reacting to them being there…
At 9:20 Morgan then “interacted” with the BB players, they drove off in their separate cars, and she was left standing there… Did she always have it in her mind to cross the bridge? Did she still have her purse, her necklace, her cell, her camera? Did she ask the BB players for a ride? Or was her only destination at first, the rv lot?
It seems to me, even if I was drunk off my Azz, stoned out of my mind, 20 yrs old , cold, and wet, before HH ever entered my mind I would ask people for a ride that I would think would be safe, someone obviously affiliated with JPJ, someone who may know my father or at least, treat me better, once I told them who my father was, possibly even mentioning my brother or some of his friends in order to make them feel safer too, which would be the BB players.
Morgan never asked any of the people throughout those lots for a ride, she never once waved down a cab, she did not stop and ask the limo driver for a ride. That we know of… So suddenly on the bridge she decided it was too far to walk? On the bridge she decided not to turn back and get a cab? She had her cell, it told her the time, she never once decided to return to JPJ and wait for her car? Why?
If the granny sighting was correctly Morgan, she was arguing with someone already there. At the end of that interaction Morgan walked away and the boy then walked after her…Was Morgan’s interaction with the basketball players a retaliation of sorts that this boy stood and watched?? Was he parked in the RV lot? Did he have a camper? Did he see Morgan mock HH? Did all this infuriate him? Did he pick Morgan up, and not listen to Granny’s advice…. “Don’t do something now, that you will regret in the morning?”
Why wait till she was on the bridge to decide to get a ride from someone? Skyler has said there were many people still dropping people off. Skyler has said there was many cabs to be had. We know there was several people leaving, including the BB players.
Why walk in the direction of the rv lot? Why not call a friend for a ride? Morgan knew what she was doing, where she was going, who she wanted to meet.
HH is not the shortest distance between 2 points, walking around the p. lots, then HH is not the shortest distance between 2 points. It would have been shorter to walk in the opposite direction and catch a ride there. Why the rv lot and why the bridge? If I was a bad guy or a good guy turned bad guy I would have waited for her to cross the bridge before a picked her up. Safer, in terms of health, safer in terms of not being seen, possibly holding up traffic.
Just my 2 cents, and then some, FWIW.
Anyway, Thanks for reading through all this Blink.
But you did ask once what you would do without me, and my response was, you would not have to read sometimes too long of posts LOL
Chad, thanks for the shout out. The way I feel about it at this point is, yes the friends behavior was unbecoming, yes, they are not forthcoming. But at this point it does us and Morgan no good to keep walking over the same ground. Le is not going to offer the public anymore regarding these friends. These friends are not suddenly going to be answering any of the unanswered questions for us either.
With out garnishing any new info from either of them, we are at a stand still. So, I am swallowing, for now that nagging voice inside that says there is something wrong …find out what it could be … and trusting that the friends and all scenarios that could involve the friends have been thoroughly checked out, and the friends have been cleared.
This in my mind does not clear the others, unfortunately LE did not definitively say they have cleared anyoneelse, not the BB and not a BF and not a friend of a friend. However they did say they have no POI, and if this is truly the case, then all these people have been cleared. Which leaves us at a very dark place, Morgan was abducted by a stranger, who up to this point has covered their tracks. For Morgan’s sake, and for the sake of her family I hope it is a GG and an accident occurred, quickly and with little time for pain, and not a bad guy that had evil intentions from the start.
LE seems to be talking to a GG not a BG so I still have hope that this person will at least leave a tip on where Morgan can be found….
‘It was like they’d spilled out,’ says Geller, maintaining that the intact purse showed no evidence of struggle.this was a post from “starbucks”.
B: if geller states the purse contents were “like spilled out”, do they have this on camera and if then Morgan is on camera, why would it be a big deal to say that she was caught on JPJ arena video? was this caught inside or outside the arena? Dr. Harrington’s possible statement on the Geraldo show. was she inside or outside or was that a confused statement when we all may have thought that dee was Morgan?
there are unfortunately, plenty of missing people seen on camera right before they go missing. an example, i forget where but a young girl is shown leaving a target store. it helped the public to understand what she looked like even though she was then abducted by some man following her. forgive me i cannot remember all the circumstances in that case.
maybe it would help to understand Morgan’s whereabouts seen in a time frame that could help us all. plus, the bonus of knowing exactly what she may have looked like that night since there seems to be no photos of that night of anyone except this dee and friends.
forgive me again but to me, it does seem like Morgan was struggling even if she was not actively in a “struggle with someone”!!!!!!
byw, i am now rereading GOF. good morning, all.
Good Job.
B
I don’t know if this is relevant or not, but I just wanted to comment on the possible use of drugs by Morgan that night. When someone is drinking alcohol and has a pretty good buzz, all it can take is one good hit of marijuana to really accelerate the effects of the alcohol. I have been drinking before concerts many times and know that a hit or two of marijuana takes me from being tipsy to being totally out of it. There has been a lot of speculation that she may have taken X or something else, but it could be as simple as a little pot added to the alcohol buzz. I pray everyday for Morgan and her family.
Hi Blink and Blink Friends
I just want to say hello and let you know I’m back on board and still with you. It took me four hours to catch up yesterday since it had been almost a week since I really had a chance to do more than read a few posts at a time. I’m back in NoVA now and will be here for a few more days.
I had hoped something new would have come out by now, not to mention that I had hoped Morgan would be found and back home. I’m disappointed that with the LE interview last week and Ann Flaherty working with the case that there’s really nothing new. Other than the fact that LE has stated that Morgan was under the influence of alcohol and the missing red camera and possibly her necklace. I’m not sure if the necklace is missing or if it’s one of the items found. So, basically, I feel that there’s nothing. It has been established now, for sure, I think that Morgan’s car went to JPJ. And I just read above that Dr. Harrington has stated that three went back to JMU in that car. I still wonder why Sara said two traveled back to JMU. Oh well…
Blink, I like you, feel we have gone full circle more than once and am wondering what else we can look at. Thanks to all of you who continue to dig and dig to try to come up with something that’s been missed. I do the same thing while lying in bed at night or trying to watch a movie, my mind soon wonders back to missing Morgan and what really happened to that beautiful child. I say child, because to me, she is that. So much left of her life and so little experience with life and so many great things left for her to do. And a great big empty missing hole in her parent’s heart. I hurt so deeply for Dr. and Mrs. Harrington, her brother and for Morgan. Still praying that she is found sooner.
Happy New Year to all and keep up the great work!
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I believe I do recall reading a previous statement by Dr. Harrington that the car had been processed. I was not certain if I had remembered correctly until your present post.
Perhaps, with so many details being exchanged during this traumatic situation, it might be difficult for any parent to recall / report with consistent accuracy.
My heart is filled with pain for the Harringtons. I cannot imagine being as strong as they have been in forging ahead. I pray that God continues to give them strength.
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This is one of the many things that irritates me about this case. The only people that don’t have inconsistant statements are the friends. Thats only because they aren’t saying anything.
When this first started think about the pictures that were released of Morgan. Some she looked very thin, almost plain jane. Others her face is fuller, more made up. No one to this date, that I have seen, has said which of the two is more recent. Gee I wonder why we have seen so many witnesses. I am 5’6, 120 lbs with (bottle shhh)blond hair, and blue eyes. Thank god I wasn’t in the area that night.
The necklace, is the necklace in the picture an exact picture of the one she had or is it similar. Some sites say similar, others say she was wearing a necklace like this. If it is similar, how is it different, maybe someone has seen it and didn’t think about it because it doesn’t match exactly.
I would love for someone to put out some exact information of what we are supposed to be looking for. All of the double talk in this case is very old now. We need some real facts. I am not asking for anything that will interfere with the investigation. If we can’t trust information coming from the parents or LE, why are we all trying to help so much.
I have a very hard time believing the witnesses because I was asked to describe someone that I had come into contact with days after the encounter. Keep in mind there was nothing odd about the encounter that made me notice anything about the person. I gave a description and later asked to testify in court. When I got to court the guy looked nothing like the description I had given and I even admitted on the stand that I could not say with certainty that he was the one. Luckily there were other witnesses and he admitted that it was him. Thank god that case wasn’t based solely on my memory. Point being those people weren’t told before hand, watch for this girl and remember everything you see. I know some of them have to be wrong. Sorry so long and sorry for the rant.
Just a quick note of clarification. Dr. Harrington was correct. The car was searched and released by LE, it was not impounded or forensically processed, there is a big difference.
B
Good post Mary, I agree with you on almost everything.
I’m not entirely convinced that this was all accident, but agree that it may be. I agree with you about the ecstasy and pot, although I believe she may have just been good old fashioned drunk.
Hope you’re right about a confession, but I doubt it.
What do you think might have happened, and where do you think she might be if she has perished?
Thanks.
Blink can clarify and/or correct this if incorrect. I think confusion over “two riding back to JMU” began as a literal accounting of Dan and Sarah as JMU students, whereas Amy, (who also rode back with them), is enrolled elsewhere, a community college, I think.
Good morning Sue,
Every time I sit down to try to figure out exactly what I think happened, there are just too many blanks. I think she was picked up with the intent to have sex with her but she resisted and I believe it happened fairly quickly after being picked up or she would have tried to call someone later or answered her phone. As far as where she may be I don’t think it would hurt to re-search the earlier areas on Pantops and perhaps the Charlottesville reservoir. Either of those places could be reached within 10-15 minutes from the bridge (I think). I do think it was someone she knew or had met during her time outside the arena and with whom she felt safe.
Mosaic –
You say “The most simple explanation is the most likey explanation”
I tend to agree. However, for me, the most simple explanation goes back to the friends being OK with Morgan finding a ride.
Jen had written way upthread #67, that people who seem to be “in the know” say that Morgan was supposed to meet up with a friend — the friend she was meeting said she never made it.
They also apparently said that they (the friends) did believe she would hitchhike to get there, and that where she was headed to meet up with this friend was in the Charlotteville area (Maybe they had done this before. Stupid, I know, but possible).
Police seem to be concentrating on the Charlottesville area.
Jen’s conclusion is:
“IF both of these accounts are true it leads me to believe she did hh and was picked up by a stranger who abducted her OR something happened to her in the presence of the friend who claims she never made it.”
I would only add: OR, she met up with foul play and never hitchhiked, and never met up with the friend.
(Also, it seems that there may be video footage of Morgan OUTSIDE of the arena. What does it show? Was she actually captured on video hitchhiking? But, if she was captured on video hitchhiking, then she would also be captured getting into a car.) If this is true, LE already has video of the car/van she got into.(??)
3 to UVA; 2 riding back to JMU — I think she just wasn’t counting the driver — Dan (either because she didn’t consider him “riding” or they were still trying to avoid talking about him to the extent possible.
JMO – I still think it was “Creepy Paver Guy”. He was supposedly 60 miles away in Harrisonburg. Blink asks about the ball players girlfriends/sisters etc. being in town. What if Creepy was supposed to meet her at the arena, but wasn’t there when she went out? Say the necklace actually come from him, on my theory mentioned before, Alex said it was from him to keep parents off older BF issue. So Creepy isn’t there when she goes out, she walking around texting him, runs intao ball players who say “Nice Bling!”, she says you like it? Here you can have it! The S.O.B. that gave it to me stood me up tonight! Anyway, Creepy gets there, sees she doesn’t have the bling & blows a fuse! Morgan who’s already banged her head once maybe takes another blow & boom! That’s all it takes, he panics in his creepy way, heads back to Harrisonburg, dumping Morgan on the way. Meeats up w/guy friends, does the Saturday night party thing & no one is the wiser that he’s even been to C’ville.
Blink said the/her POI has been profiled on this sight – Creepy has been discussed & that she (Blink) doesn’t believe Morgan is anywhere near C’ville. These come from previous posts that I was taking notes on last night.
Morgan will be found, maybe not tomorrow or the next day, but she will.
Blink if too OT, don’t post. But I am merely expressing my opinion!
Np with your opinion, but I am not aware that paver guy was in Harrisonburg, where did you get that?
B
“11-29-2009, 09:03 PM
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I heard some interesting things this weekend about Morgan from what I feel is a reliable source I know who works around the VA Tech area, and also know people who know Morgan directly.
*rumors/hearsay here*
The basic gist is that a lot of people (my note – not necessarily the girls she was with, or I’m guessing not friends her parents could ’see’ on FB/Myspace) Morgan hung around were known as heroin (my note – specifically heroin) addicts. The other thing was that Morgan had gained a reputation as a bit of a ‘man stealer.’
… the drug question has been avoided and/or carefully answered previously. From what I gathered from this person, this information is well known around there but is being excluded by the media. I don’t know if they mean exclusion out of respect, out of a request from family, or out of seeking to keep Morgan’s personality flawless so people don’t lose interest in her. When drugs are mentioned in these cases, most people tune out…even though nobody deserves being kidnapped or attacked or killed (NOBODY).
Please don’t be angry at me for posting this, I just wanted to share it because I found it to be different from what we are seeing reported and therefore interesting.”
Knowing now this person is in her circle enough to be in a picture on her FB page, does anyone have new thoughts about this post?
RUMOR! (directly from a friend who works in the Athletic Department at UVA)
*2 basketball players took leave of absences after being questioned, and according to my friend, allegedly one was considered their prime suspect for approx. 9 days. He was interviewed multiple times and has now, suppossudly been cleared. This student is coming back from leave, so I don’t want to share the initials.
IF this came from a good source at UVA, does his “cleared” status change since he is not coming back?
Personally I think they are just witnesses. Morgan stopped texting at 9:20 the same time the BB players left her. Maybe she said ok guys my friend is right around the corner, I’m going to meet him at the bridge. BB players said ok see ya. Thats why if we had all the info LE has I think it would be alot less confusing. But we don’t and will never have it so all we can do is guess.
Ok I have to ask. Blink do you think there is a coverup by UVA University? I have more depending on your answer.
In my opinion, never have so many said so little.
I believe that until the case is solved, I can’t accuse anyone of covering up. Do I believe they are “forthcoming” ? NO.
I also believe VSP should have sole jurisdiction.
However, this is an active and open investigation. There should not be a rush to judgement, and we need to deal as best we can in facts. I see more in what is NOT being said than in what is. Also, I feel strongly if there is not already, there is about to be a break down between the Harrington’s and LE.
B
Well frickle fark! I will admit to making an ass of myself for assuming something I did not substantiate.
My bad!
Happens to the best of us. You may un-frickle.
B
morning, all — shew ! I am going to have to block this site from my computer — the dishes are starting to pile up in the sink — ha
Momof3 — great research and analysis, as usual — however, I do one to clear up one part >>Skyler has said there were many people still dropping people off. Skyler has said there was many cabs to be had.<>I am truly impressed with Skyler’s advice to get a lawyer and “tell what you know”<<
I wish I could claim that comes from my brilliant mind — but it doesn’t; although I do feel it is excellent advice. It comes from my many many years of working in the legal field. I have worked behind the scenes in every type of case imaginable — w/ the exception, I have no experience or knowledge as to what happens prior to charges filed and arrests in a criminal matter.
that said: I have been present for witness statements in that scenario — people have legal counsel, they go to police and tell what they know.
Even if under the unlikely scenario that Morgan is alive and just took off, if you have knowledge of that and don’t tell what you know, you could be charged w/ impeding an investigation, which may or may not involve federal charges if the FBI is involved, and fines could include the costs of the investigation, and if they’re really covering this case in the manner they say they are, those costs are substantial —
If Morgan’s demise is the result of an accident or even a crime of passion — ie, an altercation/struggle happened, she may have been struck w/out the intent to kill, but she perished, then that’s 2nd-degree murder. Your lawyer can “deal” w/ LE on your behalf at this stage, maybe even have it reduced to manslaughter, which carries a much lighter sentence —
but I’m telling you — Morgan will eventually be found — there is no statute of limitations on murder — when Morgan is found by the police, all deals are off the table and they will vigorously prosecute this case, perhaps even asking for the death penalty. They also will vigorously prosecute anyone whom they can prove had knowledge of what happened to Morgan and did not come forward. I can also tell you, there is NO honor among thieves — if two people are charged, they will turn on each other in order to save their own hides — even if one party is more responsible than the other. For ex.: if one party actually caused her demise and the other party helped to cover it up —
If you know what happened to Morgan, but are not responsible, the best thing you can do for yourself is to get an atty, go to LE and tell them everything you know. If you are afraid to do that — call into the tip line — let them know it is a serious tip — but still, your best interest is to get an atty, or ask that one be provided to you and tell everything you know –
If you caused Morgan’s demise, it is still better to turn yourself in now because if they find you instead, believe me, there will be press conferences where they will say their brilliant detective work led to the arrest, and the prosecutor will use this as a platform to further his own career —
the worst thing you can do is be silent –
sorry — I meant to add this part —
even though we’ve been “told” the dogs lost her scent at the bridge, there is that other witness who claims she saw her at the corner of Copeley and Ivy — past the bridge — if she’s there, then there is at least a Wachovia Bank on that corner — I think there’s that church there and maybe another bank — I wonder if she shows up on their cameras —
And — it’s been posted that she was allegedly spotted getting into a van at the 7-11, and that there is footage from the 7-11 security camera —
don’t know if any of that is true, but just what’s been posted —
Also, that guys who posts on FB as “baaad bobby” — he has no hesitation in talking to people — maybe he can run over to the 7-11 and ask the manager if there was footage on their cameras of Morgan that hasn’t been released to the public yet — ?????
going back to work : )
Have ya’ll seen this? Could this be related?
http://www.nbc29.com/global/story.asp?s=11765949
The limo driver would have been one of the last known persons to have seen Morgan, since he reported her interacting with the BB players.
Another poster, can’t remember who, stated that there were a lot of cabs waiting around the arena that night (10/17).
Did LE clear the limo driver and any other cab drivers at the arena?
The limo driver definitely clear. Not sure about cabbies, but that would be LE 101, good question.
B
Re: 1718 – I know probably not related but I’m desperate for something to break here!
B – (re: #1696/The Examiner “article”)
“Yeesh. Not like I had to say that out loud. What is with people?” ~B
Someone had to say it out loud. People need to know the upstream source of their news. To borrow your Captain Obvious cape, I’m going to take a Fox News story on health-care reform with more salt than I would a Washington Post article on the subject – but with either of those entities, I can clearly see who produced the story and interpret it in accordance with the agenda of those funding it.
The Examiner is a bit more ambiguous – there are at least 130 of them spread thrughout the country, offering commentary from local experts espousing on local news, topics and issues. (Sidenote: the Examiners are owned and run by Philip Anschutz, a very conservative, far-right billionaire – though I doubt his political views trickle all the way down to Ann Flaherty’s “Private Investigations” Examiner site and the like, so not particularly relevant here.) Don’t get me wrong – I’m all for better, easier access to local content – I just don’t want anyone to misconstrue a The Examiner.com as anything other than a site for locals to share local content/resources.
(I also couldn’t help but notice that Flaherty’s San-Fran-based Rat Dog Dick detective agency was one of the helpful links she provided at the end of her article.)
That said, Flaherty says she’s spoken with the Harringtons, so they may be engaing with her after administrators on the FindMorgan site brought her into the fold.
In one piece she posted Dec. 22, Flaherty offers DH’s summary of MH’s known activities on Oct. 17 (she says she spoke with him on Dec. 17). One thing that stood out was the connection I inferred between two of his bullet points (some of you may have made/seen the connection, but it was new to me) – any emphasis is mine:
“… At JMU, Morgan and Amy met up with Sarah and Dan (a friend’s BF) to travel *60 minutes* east to Charlottesville, Va. Dan was the designated driver of Morgan’s vehicle. The group arrived in Charlottesville at 6:00 pm where they were to attend the Metallica concert at the John Paul Jones Arena.
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Outside the arena, Morgan had a phone conversation with Sarah inside the arena (battery still in phone) and Morgan stated she had been locked out of arena and was unable to gain reentry. Morgan told her friends she would find a ride home or call a friend. No other phone calls were recorded. However, during this time she also texted a male friend in a town *60 miles* away. That individual has been excluded as a person of interest in this case by the Virginia State Police.”
[end quote]
It appears (and stands to reason) that MH was friends with a young man (or liked him) in Hburg and perhaps had been hanging out with him during the pre-party before they headed over to CVille for the show (they were at JMU, according to Dan, from 2 p.m. to 5 p.m. – and solicited a DD) – this person, imo, was the mystery textee.
It makes sense that, after accepting she could not get back in the arena, she would hope/plan to head back over to JMU and resume partying/hanging out with kids there/young-man-textee until her Friends return – why hang in the lot if she felt she had a better option elsewhere? And “elsewhere” happened to be where her car would return to after the concert anyway (though, this was a drunken rationalizion as said “better option” was an hour away and the concert ended in two; obvs her poor decision-making is in-line with LE’s assessment of the choices she made that night).
So she texts this young man, lets him know what happened/that she’s going to find a way back, and is then determined to get to Hburg, setting off in the direction her party drove into town from. I no longer think the textee offered to/attempted to pick her up, likely because he’d been drinking and it seems like a treacherous drive b/w the two campuses.
She may have been trying to figure out a local ride when she dropped her bag (according to multiple witnesses) and, subsequently/possibly lost her battery at 9:20 – right about the time she spoke with the BB players (I’m guessing to perhaps borrow a phone or battery – timing seems to dictate that, ie phone cutting off right around when she “approaches” them). A few minutes later, they leave lot, MH walks onto Copeley, changes sides to be on sidewalk but is facing traffic moving away from the direction she hopes to travel in (toward JMU). At some point in that period she decides to thumb it – again, “not acting rationally” – and tries to flag a car down, eventaully having to cross the street again to catch a ride heading west.
I think/LE believes a vehicle stopped for her, and she got in – this tells me the driver said he/she would indeed take her to JMU. The odds that Harrisonburg was the random driver’s destination that night seem remote, but who knows? I’d say it’s pretty clear she did not make it, though – the male textee (presumably at JMU) must have been questioned and it was determined he expected her and she never arrived (may have been quite distraught over it). The scenario also fits with some friends-of-the-Friends accounts that she was heading to meet someone and didn’t make it.
It also seems that she dropped her bag in the RV lot prior to walking onto Copeley – there are a number of indications from LE and the Harringtons that this is what happened. I’ll bet that’s because the BB players/other witnesses indicated they either saw her drop it several times, or her condition was such that she likely dropped it.
I think this is when phone activity cut out, as this was when she lost the battery. There are a number of realistic reasons the battery was not turned in with the phone – but as the battery cover was turned in along the phone, definitely sounds like she dropped it, phone split open, battery came out, and the person who turned in the purse/scattered contents the next day did not see it/overlooked it. From that point on, a lot of time went by before investigators began combing that lot and the vicinity. Makes sense they never came across it – event lots were thoroughly cleaned/swept that Sunday.
So, if this is what went down, the major questions remaining are: Was the driver a GG or BG? If a GG who was suddenly faced with an unexpectedly bad situation that resulted in a panicky decision to skirt trouble, than did he/they do with her body? If it was a BG [shudder], how far did they get? LE (and Observer) believe it was not much past Cville’s city limits.
I am down with that except I am convinced that at 9:30 PM, Morgan’s phone, by whatever means, went dead.
It is what we call the “dead stop” time. That is a full 10 minutes after the bball players completed their interaction with Morgan if that timeline holds. I just do not believe this girl, sans a phone, purse, car or wallet, is leaving that arena by hitchiking with a stranger for a 60 mile trip.
B
Had “new” questions I posed yesterday (still would love some answers from LE and anyone who knows on the questions I asked yesterday). And, I have even more today……
- Is the bank at the other side of the bridge saying “No Comment” on if they have Moragn on camera? I would think that if not, they would say NO so “no comment” tells me YES.
- What about the witness who says she seen Morgan at the other end of the bridge? What has LE said about this witness, if anything? Has LE asked certain witnesses not to speak publically? If so, I would consider these witnesses “true” and, again, if so, is LE protecting the witness, the case, who??? Has there been an official “gag” order issued?
- If Morgan was last seen on the bridge, that places her off UVA campus, correct? So, then, why would campus police be involved still ( I believe they still are, correct?), UNLESS……
- Where were the police stationed at the night of the concert? In every parking lot (DRVING AROUND OR STATIONARY?), at the arena doors, where? And, UNTIL WHAT TIME?
- Can any one confirm WHERE JPJ and UVA have outside cameras at? The parking lots, the doors, the campus, the lawn, dorms, ?????
Mjh:
I forgot all about that post. Thinking more about it you have several people saying basically the same thing:
The one I posted about someone saying that Morgon was supposed to meet up with someone on campus or close by.
http://www.findmorgan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1408
Then there is this tarheelplaya kid who claims that the friends said during the 8:48 conversation Morgon stated that she had already contacted someone in Charlottesville. Also when he asked if there was a guy she had planned to meet or see at the concert he was told it was confidential info for the police only. Why would they say it was confidential if there WASN’T a guy? post #122 below
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90862&page=5%20-
Then there was OYE, who said she has it on good authority that Morgon was told “don’t get drunk at that party”
So you have 3 different people saying (unsubstantiated rumors I know) essentially that Morgon was going to meet up with some person/people in Charlottesville. Whether that was her original plan or the plan she formulated after ending up outside we don’t know. One of these people say she never made it to said person/location.
What if the text was something like:
“hey I got locked out of the concert, where was that party you said so and so was having?”
“it’s at X apartments” or “it’s at Z hotel”.
Morgon starts walking toward the bridge but isn’t sure exactly where she’s going. Sees the basketball players and asks:
“hey do you guys know where X apartments is?”
“yeah but it’s too far for you to walk”
“can you give me a ride?”
“sorry we’re going the opposite way”
“okay I’ll see if I can get a someone to pick me up who’s driving in that direction”
If we believe she never made it than we have to think stranger abduction, or the basketball players did offer her a ride and something happened in their presence. This is the first time I’m starting to think something could have happened more significant with the bball players.
Sorry this post got way longer than I intended but I started thinking out loud.
J2k – sounds reasonable except I maintain Morgan encountered the basketball players long before they ever reached the RV lot.
Yes, she would have had to, based on where the limo was directed to park.
B
Do we REALLY think Morgan would go hitchiking without her phone and purse? NO way – she would have gone back to look for it!!!!!! What college age woman (or any woman) seperates from her cell and purse? Like NONE! I don’t care if your are drunk. No way if you are in your own neighborhood let alone 2 hours away!!! Also, seperating from the cell phone NOT, it’s their lifeline. Nope, not buying it. That is either the very spot she was abducted from OR it was tossed there later.
Morgan didn’t have any money that night (needed $ from her dad for gas) so rules out a cab, bus, train, etc.
Appearently, had no forewarning of danger or she would have approached the police.
Thoughts?
Yes, I have a thought. Your right.
The place was crawling with Campus Police and Security. We have heard that from everyone there. It is equipped with bluephones to 911. No, I do not think she would hitchhike, but I do think she might have dropped her purse and thought it a good idea to call from a bluephone and say it was stolen from HER CAR so she might be able to get into it, and piss off her friends for leaving her out there locked out of HER own vehicle.
I could envision her saying, can you give me a ride to the PARK LOT.. so I can meet LE and maybe she changes her mind or her mind is changed for her, enroute?
Complete supposition on my part.
B
Wpgmouse
Much of the difficulty I am having regarding “communications”, lies with LE. Morgan has been missing for 2 1/2 months. Just now, the public has learned of a missing camera. And a highly visible RED one, no less. How can that be? It appears to me, that someone has “sat” on this vital piece of information. Similar to the crystal necklace. Why? How does “sitting on” this help advance finding Morgan Harrington?
I too wanted to know why it took so long for LE released this info. Something I am thinking about today is related to how tight lipped and protective LE has been over information pertaining to this case, but they tell the BB players they may speak about it at their own will. You would think that they would want to keep this info confidential because Morgan may have told them her intentions and so forth, something that may help ID a perp later……The fact that the BB players basically have permission to discuss makes me wonder if maybe that would be an opportunity to slip up and say something. also I would love to know if the any of the BB players may have obtained counsel since Oct. 17th. You know maybe to help with dismissal from a team, or anything of that nature
Ms. Geller is a sharp lady. She knew there was a zero percent chance any of those gentlemen were going to give a statement.
B
gotta go back to work, but I swear, J2K my IQ goes up just reading your posts — or my brain explodes — one or the other !!
u iz brilliant !!!
As are all the posters on this forum — for ex: fish — thanks so much for the info on smooching — Momof3 — your research is inspired — Lizzy, Chad, oops my lunch timer is going off — don’t mean to single anyone out — EVERYONE here is so awesome —
After we find Morgan, think we can figure out what happened to my cat ? Assuming that loose bear didn’t eat her : (
Peace out — Sky : )
B – (re: #1721) said:
“I am down with that except I am convinced that at 9:30 PM, Morgan’s phone, by whatever means, went dead.
It is what we call the “dead stop” time. That is a full 10 minutes after the bball players completed their interaction with Morgan if that timeline holds. I just do not believe this girl, sans a phone, purse, car or wallet, is leaving that arena by hitchiking with a stranger for a 60 mile trip.” ~ B
Points taken, B. You have noted the “dead stop” time before, and I neglected to account for that. I will now.
It’s possible she walked onto Copeley Road, crossed to the sidewalk, crossed back over to hit the 7-11 – with her purse – and it’s possible she thought she’d by smokes or a drink and then realized she had no cash (none was reported found with the contents of her purse and her bank account was allegedly empty, according to DH), so she went back to the lot. I’m guessing such a jaunt could be accomplished in less than 10 minutes. Perhaps she even attempted to hitch on the way to 7-11 with no success.
Once back in the lot, it’s possible she encounters the person/folks who then offered to give her a ride to Hburg – maybe other(s) who was/were “asked to leave” the show? – and she somehow leaves the bag behind (places it on roof/trunk of car?) or otherwise drops it upon entering the vehicle.
Or, no one was in the lot when she returned, and she decides to re-attempt hitch-hiking, heads back onto Copeley, and her (broken-strap?) bag gets dropped/falls without her noticing. My point being that it seems LE has reason to believe she indeed dropped/left behind her purse accidentally, ie “no signs of struggle”/contents scattered as if dropped and “spilled”/GH saying phone has come apart before and that would be normal/etc. Timewise, it makes sense that when the bag with phone was dropped, the battery popped out creating the “stop dead” end to her phone communciation that night.
I have to say, one notable aspect of this timeline is how brief it is, resulting in the significance of nearly every five minutes between 8:20 and 9:30 pm. To LE’s credit, they seem to be able to account for most of her moments, based on witness interviews and dispatches from her phone before it cut off.
I am currently convinced that Harrisonburg was her post-arena destination, and I think LE believes that as well. But I’m curious about the mixed messages put forth at the recent press conference: they claim to think she was abducted, but also seem to be attempting communciation with someone who may have been in a bad situation with MH and panicked, and such a person/people should not be afraid to come forth and release their burden.
Is the notion of her abduction meant to drive home the seriousness of the case LE is pursuing to someone/people who may be hiding his/their opssibly noncriminal) role in her disappearance? If LE truly believes a predator abducted her, why no warnings or outreach to the Cville community? MH couldn’t possibly be the only pretty, young college girl who gets drunk and attempts to flag down a ride across campus in that area on a Saturday night – unfortch, kids occassionally do that shit when they feel comfortable with their surroundings/are drunk and alone. This just makes me think there is reasonfor LE to believe she was not absconded with by a predator.
If LE *is* trying to communicate with a certain person/people, does POI stem from any witness sightings that night?
Here are some that stand out to me (until I see them debunked): the 5-time interviewee (bookkeeper) and her account of someone matching MH’s description walking toward RV lot/later standing in RV lot with three young white men. It could be totally unrelated, but the alleged Boyd Tavern sighting (supposedly reported to VSP) of the freaked-out young men wanting to know how to get to Harrisonburg seems connected to this – if either or both sightings were actually MH.
The other is ol’ Granny and her claim to see an MH lookalike struggling with a young man behind her car.
But I’ve got a few questions about this one’s account, i.e. where was she parked, and what time was it? If the woman she saw was MH, Grans would have to have parked (according to the unflagging timeline) in the UHall lot, with her back to the RV area across Copeley… seems unlikely she could have gotten in that specific parking area without a pre-registered parking pass, which I doubt she had. Also, why would she arrive at 9:30 to pick up son and grandson attending a concert with a main act that didn’t even start until then? They were just there for the two warm-up acts? Perhaps. (Seems like a waste of money, though.)
Also, there were police and security vehicles lit up and parked throughout that area, according to all of our contributors who have been to JPJ events on Saturday nights. And, there were apparently student athletes heading from UHall/people walking through lot. No one saw/intervened in a struggle complete with yelling and hitting *except* Granny? Hard to believe. Lastly, how could she hear a “smack” through closed car windows, a running engine, and (speculation) “A Prairie Home Companion” playing over her radio? Just sayin’…
rotfl Prairie Home Companion, to drown out the Metallica?
As far as Granny is concerned, I realize we are at opposite ends on that, but I DO believe SHE believes what she saw.
I still see the image of her sitting there with her grandson’s ticks in her hand. She was not going to be given the “granny business” she was telling the truth, imo. Could Granny’s intuition have raised her cackles that the girl was in danger?
B
hi,redly: I agree with your post discussing Sarah’s intent re the number riding back. I was trying to address many questioning posts I’ve read about the number of returning riders – (two or three?) – and my initial take on Sarah’s statement was: two students back to JMU, with Amy riding as well, but your take on it is more logical. A Thinking Goblet to you, and I’ll need a DG, (Drinking Goblet), if breaks in the case aren’t forthcoming sooner rather than later.
1724 EVERYONE here is so awesome —
Skyler, I couldn’t agree more! I love the fact that everyone has differnt opinions, but we all have the same goal. I may not contribute much her as far as discussions go, but, I am always here and always thinking. My family and friends don’t share this passion with me to find the lost and help educate ppeople to not become that way, so I consider you guys part of my family and definitely the good side.
Much Love to all!
Oh and Sky, I remember begging my mom to let me stay up to watch Barry Manilow on Dick Clark’s Rock N Eve! I think that was about 30 years ago!
I agree that MH was not feeling in danger, unsafe or trying to get away from someone, at least not at the time she was at the arena. I also found it very important that she didn’t call her friends to tell them she was outside. Every account we have tells us the friends called her. So why didn’t she call her friends before they got worried and called her? If any witnesses came forward saying she asked for a ride to somewhere would LE make it puplic? I think there are reasons for all the mystery, for the Harringtons asking the friends not to speak, for LE not to be releasing pictures of her from that night. I just don’t believe that there aren’t any.
What if what the friends have to say and pictures of her that night paint a very different image of her than they want to project?
Another thought:
She argued with someone she knew and met outside(granny sighting)and to provoke him she said “fine I’m HH” knowing he would go after her.
The HH doesn’t seem to me like she was seriously trying to get somewhere. She was on a dark bridge hitchhiking both ways. Why not HH on Emmet or Ivy.
With much respect to Redly and Rita:
Maybe I was wrong in assuming that Sara meant only two traveled back to JMU. The below report is what I based my assumption on. I only see what I read here. It’s possible, I suppose that the reporter was confused.
From Scott Leamon, in the field
WSLS Reporter
sleamon@wsls.com
I talked with two Roanoke area people who came up to help with the search.
Roanoke County Police Sergeant Jim Herrick told me he took the day off from work to come up to search. Herrick says his daughter is one of Morgan Harrington’s nine close friends from Northside High School.
I also spoke with current JMU student, Northside High School graduate, and close friend of Morgan Harrington, Sarah Snead. Snead told me she was one of the three people in Morgan’s car on the way to the Metallica concert, and one of the two people in the car on the way back from the concert to JMU. Snead talked about Morgan’s phone call from outside John Paul Jones Arena the night of the concert, as well as how Dan and Gil Harrington have been “pillars of support” for her since Morgan disappeared.
Greetings, all. After much travel and extended merry-making during the holidays, I’ve finally landed. While I have much to say (although some things may change with the advent of a new year, many things remain the same…) I must first ask B:
In your response an earlier poster you stated “Because I am aware of some intentional Mis-information that has been spread between PD’s in this case, I have some serious questions as to ‘why’.”
In that statement are you suggesting that:
a. LE has intentionally spread mis-information to other LE agencies;
b. others, e.g., MH’s friends and/or witnesses, have intentionally spread mis-information to different LE agencies (meaning, intentionally different information to different agencies);
c. Both (a) and (b) above;
d. Neither (a) nor (b) above.
TIA for the clarification.
O
Nice to see you. This post is pursuant to an email you and I have discussed. I do not think it serves any purpose to call anyone out. If you would like me to post the scenario I can, I just felt the fact that I was aware of it was enough.
I will defer to your judgement.
B
1727 EVERYONE here is so awesome —
Sky, I couldn’t agree more. I love coming here. I love all of the different opinions, but we all share the same goal. I may not contribute much as far as insight or discussion but, I am always here and thinking. My family and friends do not shre the passion for trying to help find the missing, or trying to educate to prevent people not to become the missing. So, I consider you guys part of my family. ( The good side)
Love to all!
Oh and Sky, I remember begging my mom to let me stay up to see Barry Manilow on Dick Clark’s Rock N Eve. I believe that was about 30 years ago!
new article just up – red camera and necklace being searched for, also sounds like they are close…?
http://www.noisecreep.com/2010/01/05/missing-metallica-fan-morgan-harrington-items/
I hope my last post didn’t seem rude or short. I understand what Rita and Redly are saying. It’s just that where I come from the number of people traveling in a car would include the driver. It’s all to do, I’m sure, with how one presents himself. How many people were in the car may not be significant anyway. I really don’t feel at this point, that I have anything new or important to add, so, I’ll still be reading the sight, but won’t be posting unless I feel something is important. I’m still with you guys though and will be until Morgan is found. As always, each one of you amaze me with your dedication and hard work. Still praying for Morgan’s return home and blessings for her family.
Ok, back to the Lawn siting by newspaper lady. Someone above said she noticed the blonde girl was wearing a jacket, and didn’t say it looked big on her, like she borrowed it from one of the guys, and since Morgan was known to NOT be wearing a jacket, it couldn’t have been her. What if the pre-concert party was at that Lawn apt, and Morgan left her jacket there, possibly with the necklace in a pocket? maybe she realizes this during the concert, and if her bro gave it to her and it meant alot, she may have said, “oh, crap, I HAVE to get my jacket back, I left my necklace in it, I’m leaving right after LOG”. She would of course, then, have a destination in mind, maybe looked for a quick ride over there, the friends knew EXACTLY where she was, and would meet up later.
IIRC, Morgan left a comment on her picture from the camping trip that she lost her sweater in some creepy guy’s house. Did she have a problem with forgetting jackets/sweaters when she was impaired?
If this was the case, I still say it was an accidental thing, too much partying, someone panicked, probably having a VERY difficult time right now dealing with this.
I spoke with UVA campus police yesterday (and I am repeating this here because I was not told any of the conversation was confidential) because I continue to be concerned about whether or not my daughter should be PARTICULARLY concerned about her safety in the C’ville/UVA area…I asked if they are concerned about a specific BG/POI in the C’ville area. What I gleaned from the conversation was as follows: 1)they are not necessarily looking for a “predator” (I assumed that meant C’ville or elsewhere) 2)her impaired state left her “wide open” to someone not normally inclined to be enticed to take advantage of the situation 3)they did not indicate they had a POI. I find it hard to believe the UVA police are covering up anything and they actually called me personally when I sent them my concerns via email. Of course they may know more than they are divulging and probably with good reason, but I do believe if they really thought a predator was stalking the C’ville area they would be forthcoming to students and parents…IMO.
B – (re: #1728)
Now you’re making me laugh at my unfair characterization of Granny blasting public radio. Perhaps she had the windows down and was singing along with “Enter Sandman” while beating air drums with her knitting needle.
Actually, Granny is a perfect example the disjointed bits of info that do not fit together and prevent us from visualizing a clear picture of what MH did, where she went, and how she got there.
It’s not that Granny failed to come across as believable – she drives the family around so I doubt she suffering from dementia, and her story is detailed enough that I do think she saw what she says she saw. But. Was it Morgan? The initial news report notes she witnessed the scuffle and yelled at the couple around 9:40 pm – yet LE adamently states MH got into a vehicle on the Copeley bridge around 9:30 – the last time she was spotted and, conveniently, exactly when her phone shuts down.
Next up: the purse. The purse the purse the purse. Can’t get around that zippery mess, can we? I hear you all on the why-would-she-leave/lose-her-purse tip, especially if hitchhiking to another town an hour away. But if she was picked up by a perp or forced in someone’s car on the bridge – as investigators contend – how would this person/people know where to “toss” her bag? *If* her bag was tossed/planted, she would have had to be in the RV lot with this person/people at some point, and that doesn’t match LE’s current timeline.
But, on the other hand, neither does the image of her being cognizant enough to hitch but not with-it enough to notice she no longer had her bag. And why *is* LE so adament she got into a car on the “bridge”? There’s really no place to pull over on that stretch of roadway, and to be so certain of such an action, one would think LE had multiple witnesses who saw her literally get into a vehicle that stopped at her thumb – so why hasn’t there been a vehicle description released? Something as simple as “We believe she entered a black, 4-door SUV/a white 2-door coup/a late-model Oldsmobile with rust stains. Nothing. Yet they are “confident” she got into a vehicle.
Not. Making. Sense.
…I need a Thinking *Jug* for this.
Comment by rita — January 5, 2010 @ 10:44 am
Blink can clarify and/or correct this if incorrect. I think confusion over “two riding back to JMU” began as a literal accounting of Dan and Sarah as JMU students, whereas Amy, (who also rode back with them), is enrolled elsewhere, a community college, I think.
Comment by redly — January 5, 2010 @ 11:19 am
3 to UVA; 2 riding back to JMU — I think she just wasn’t counting the driver — Dan (either because she didn’t consider him “riding” or they were still trying to avoid talking about him to the extent possible.
i believe that this is what one would call “splitting hairs” and is avoidance by omission still a lie?
if she, sarah was going to say anything then she, sarah should have meant to…”say what you mean and mean what you say!”
with this being said…sarah may be a bit on the immature side, no offense to her or her friends. btw…her friend Morgan was missing!!
Comment by mary — January 5, 2010 @ 3:28 pm
“J2k – sounds reasonable except I maintain Morgan encountered the basketball players long before they ever reached the RV lot.
Blink’s reply:
“Yes, she would have had to, based on where the limo was directed to park.
B”
Where and by whom was the limo directed?
No confirmation on the company or client. All I know is she passed in front of him with the bball players heading toward Uhall.
B
Lee (1736)- Hope the conversation made you feel better. But I am confused by two things in this statement:
1. If they do not have a POI, how do they know it is not a “predator”?
2. Do they think MOrgan is the only impaired young lady moving about the UVA campus? Should drunk young women be vigilant?
It is always the contradictions that make me crazy!
Comment by RNmom — January 5, 2010 @ 4:46 pm
I agree with you also! I come here several times a day to check if anything new has developed. I have drove my family crazy, to the point, every time I start to say something I can read in their faces “Here we go again!” We all share an urgency in finding Morgan and we understand that with each other. I don’t know what exactly drew me to this case, maybe because we lived in Stafford County, VA or that I have a blonde 25 year old daughter who is very independent or just because I am a Mom. Whatever it is we all share a common bond on here and that is the desire to bring Morgan home where she belongs.
241 Morgan- Where are you Morgan?
Dear Blink,
Is it possible that Morgan was heading to St. Annes-Belfield? It is on Ivy Road just down the road and to the west of Copley Street Bridge. I mention it because, if she was in trouble,felt threatened, or drunk, or on drugs, or both, or all of the above she may have been trying to get to a place where she was comfortable with her surroundings. Her mom, Gil, went to St. Anne’s -Belfield in the 1970′s. Also, Gil’s family used to own property on Monticello Mountain in Charlottesville back in the 1970′s. I know it is far fetched but maybe Morgan asked somebody to take her to this property to get way from somebody who threatened her but she asked the wrong person.
shoot, I think the butler did it, w/ the candlestick in the library ….
it’s just as viable as anything else I’ve come up w/ ……..
Lee, good for you in contacting the university insisting they give you an answer.
the problem I have w/ LE soliciting, once again, info from the public — how do we know they’re going to follow up on it — how do we know they’ve not already been given “the” lead and didn’t follow up on it —
Thanks for posting that interview w/ Sarah again — the Harringtons are far better people than I am — If Morgan were my child, I’d be shaking Sarah by the shoulders until she told me where my kid was — and the rest of them, as well
Blink, I found your comment regarding a possible future split between LE and the Harringtons very interesting — as I’ve felt it coming for awhile — they have two separate “initial” agendas — the Harringtons absolutely need to know where and what happened to Morgan — at any cost — *if* a crime has been committed, and she didn’t run away of her own volition — LE’s purpose is not only to recover Morgan, but to charge and convict — and even if they know who, what, when and where, they’re holding their cards very close to the vest until they can proceed w/ charges w/ conviction in mind — once Morgan is recovered — God, I hate saying that — then the Harringtons will want prosecution and conviction — but now they just want Morgan — as do we : (
you know, I’ve been wont to give the BB playas a pass — but maybe campus police are so confident that there is no perp on the loose is because the “perp,” like Elvis, has left the building ????????
this is waaay off topic — but ties in — I just had Law & Order sp. victim unit as I was flipping thru the channels — a woman was murdered in the same manner as in a video game — they criminal profiler was saying that violent video games can influence criminal behavior —
“Beer Guy” is a heavy gamer, and his games of choice are all heavy violent —
just sayin’ ……
Hey Jen –
I agree.
There is always someone who cannot keep their mouth shut. I believe some friends have to be saying something to someone…even if it’s just within their own circle. But, things spread. So, even though mostly rumors, there has to be some truth in there somewhere.
So, whether it’s a friend of a friend or not, I still think there is something to what has been said.
And it still makes sense to me that the only way the friends would feel that it was OK to leave (in Morgan’s car) would be if they thought she was with someone else. Would you be able to go home and sleep if you didn’t have a clue where your friend was, who’s CAR you happen to have?
The thing is, if they knew what party she was going to, wouldn’t they head there too, after the concert? Or were they mad because they thought she went off with a different friend who they were not really connected to? So, they just went home.
I just had a new thought, though. What if she DID make it to that party? What if something happened during/after the party? And, then her purse was thrown into the lot. Sorry….just thinking again.
“I just do not believe this girl, sans a phone, purse, car or wallet, is leaving that arena by hitchiking with a stranger for a 60 mile trip.
B”
If she was acting in a rational manner. All accounts point to her acting irrationally. There are many reasons why she would have done so with out the purse that held her wallet and cell phone.
1) She was so under the influence she just didn’t realize she she didn’t have them. 2) Once she realized she didn’t have them, it’s possible she could have thought her friends inside had them. 3) She could have thought she left them locked in her car.
If she was upset with the friends inside for what ever reason; they didn’t seem to care she was locked out, etc; thinking they had her purse could have fueled her determination to get to where ever she wanted without their help.
I dont necessarily agree with your asessment she was acting “irrationally.” Additionally look at your no.3- if she thought she might have left them in the car, doesn’t that prove my point about the possible purse police report?
could we all just agree for one minute that we do not, i repeat, do not believe for one other minute that MORGAN DANA HARRINGTON, was not so totally effed outta her mind that night and believe that (yes, even me)believe that if she was in that bad of condition, she would have had sarah, dan, amy or all three, come and help her or seek help for her?!?!?
i am not sure that i agree with making Morgan seem “acting irrationally” is the way to get someone to talk. could be just me and you may call me emotional but i feel very sorry for this obvious victim that, in my mind, was struggling so greatly! she may have been mad, hurt, confused, drugged or drunk but what i have learned about her, she does not seem to be stupid to go on road trip with a total stranger back to harrisonburg, roanoke or blackburg or where ever else and…
According to a statement from police, based on eyewitness accounts, Lt. Joe Rader said that Harrington was drinking on October 17, the night she disappeared at a Metallica concert outside John Paul Jones Arena. “Those accounts also describe her behavior as irrational, in a way that would have been very unusual for Morgan,” reads the statement.
also, does lt. rader believe that she started out with behavior as irrational while she was pre-concert drinking or does this behavior start to happen while at the concert? who are the eyewitnesses that account for this behavior? her friends, s, d, a or possibly dee and her friends, at cars? seems pretty specific.
all this is just my opinion that maybe means something but more often not, nothing. i am just here because i feel some sort of calm and peace in talking to all of you…a warm fish!
Lovely #1734–thanks for the new link.
What I get from the article you posted is that the friends have told LE that Morgan likely went with a C’ville “local” (how local isn’t clear, but it certainly suggests no one from another farther away place such as JMU.H’burg)), probably to a house/apt. they hadn’t been to but that Morgan may have visited–or given her friends to think was a safe place to visit. I’m imagining someone the friends may not have known well or that for some reason felt him untrustworthy–thus the “don’t get drunk at that party”–if there actually was a party of more than two (MH + POI).
This person may have one or more roommates, or friends, who might have noticed/been given/bought the camera/necklace if these items were left in POI’s residence. But I don’t think LE has accessed this person’s home, because I’m guessing they would have been able to search the res of an actual POI if some trace of MH contacting him has been found on her computer/text records/phone. Also, maybe he’s lawyered up–or is otherwise able to deflect investigators.