Morgan Harrington Case: Virginia State Police On New Search
Charlottesville, VA– Virginia State Police are searching an area of route 64, between mile markers 112 and 114 today in their efforts to locate missing VT student, Morgan Harrington.
Located approximately 4 miles west of Charlottesville, VA, the stretch of highway leads up to an early area of interest, Crozet, VA.
VSP PR Manager, Connie Geller says the area is not being searched based on any new tip.
Check back to blinkoncrime.com for this developing story.
Update #1. Jim Hanchett, Newsplex, reports the search has ended for this area today, and is awaiting any news of other possible search areas.
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BlackPearl, why does a link to a paving company creep you out? I’m missing something (again).
yo yo yo, I can see a guy wit da name Guy and da rest of his handle straight up Irish being a dope gangsta, word? bouncer at buffalo wild wings, if dat don’t giv u street cred then wha the shizzle my nizzle? what up homie, you must be trippin straight up in your pippin if you think Shannon ain’t down with Snoop’s lyrics from C-Walkin’ n i quote:
What you join tha game for you lil busta
Now you want to cross us out and disrespect us
Most of us thought we was bustas or somethin’…
http://lyrics.filestube.com/song/d3f76a3c30a6b90203e9,C-Walkin.html
Wow. Anyone else thinking that Morgan could be hidden beneath a roadway? I can’t explain this very well, because I am construction illiterate, but could her body be hidden in some blacktop?
So sorry to be so graphic, but I don’t know how else to express this. This young person is also someone with the financial means to protect himself with some top shelf representation.
Remember the initial searched done on a Pantops construction area?
yo, i found dat boy too straight up red white and blue in tha hood in elliston, u no
you think he frontin’ cuz he don’t look da part of a straight up OG?
word.
sue, i was thinking the same thing when i was channeling shannon in my prior post. i almost wrote how dis gangsta could make you disappear until pothole season—but i think it’s far fetched, tho perfect for an episode of Monk if they bring it back.
I am telling you, these older dudes who have mostly young, pretty, fun-loving friends are bad news and have set off my hinky meter this weekend.
Danielle: I appreciate your loyalty to and defense of HH. I cede that there are exceptions, so forgive my generalization. But remember that I had such a friend in my town (laid back, fun, seemingly kind, drug- and Dead ticket-providing), and yes, I defended him similarly to older folks who, I thought, needed to open their minds. Suffice it to say that I was wrong. These dudes move from generation to generation of young ladies. You and your friends will finish school, get jobs, and move on, but this type will still be doing his thing, having found the next young class of party girls. It is because these guys have not had success with their peers/contemporaries that they invest their time in young girls.
I hope all such guys from Morgan’s circle, periphery included, have been thoroughly vetted. I know it feels unfair, as most will prove uninvolved, but it’s imperative that LE consider all possibilities.
I believe this person may be the person that Morgan called and or texted to come get her that night.
His cell records must reflect a phone number that isn’t Morgans. Hence, LE asking the public if Morgan borrowed anyone’s phone that night.
What I can’t figure out is why they can’t trace that call. This makes no sense to me at all. They would be able to trace it back to somewhere or someone. Even the phones bought at the 7-11 are traceable back to the location of the purchase.
Assuming Morgan had one of these phones, and paid cash for it either at Virginia Tech or Roanoke, LE could trace it to the convenience store where it was purchased and the time it was purchased. They could then refer to the store surveillance video and capture Morgan purchasing the phone card.
I guess it’s possible that the perp and Morgan maintained a secret relationship and he purchased the phone with cash for her.
Thinking out loud. This guy gives me the strongest vibe of anyone to date. Plus, remember the early searches and the sense that LE has known their suspect from very early in the case.
Suz (#297) -
I may be wrong here but I think it’s not uncommon for people not to “tag” themselves on facebook pictures they are posting. i.e. the poster isn’t tagging herself because if you’re viewing her album you *should* already know who she is. I don’t tag myself in my albums. Hope this helps….
sue, I reckon if they saw some fresh pavement (or digging) around his yard, or the construction company yard, they surely would be suspicious. But I doubt he could have worked a body into a commercial project. Just too many other people on the job. Besides, that’s more of a mob thing, and he’s a gangsta. Now if we see him posting on the Soprano’s web site…..
Acho #307 –
I appreciate your personal experience but I assure you that HH has just as many “younger” male friends as he does “younger” female friends (as he does *older* friends of both genders). His pages may not reflect that but from my own personal experiences most guys (especially hippie guys) don’t spend time on social networking sites (at least my ex’s didn’t). The music that we appreciate transcends multiple generations and creates a like minded community (insert free spirit jokes here). And yes, sometimes that environment can become nefarious but my experiences with HH are the quite the opposite.
As I’ve said many times before HH has a committed, long term and beautiful partner (not in her 20′s for those of you wondering). After hearing most posters negative view of their lifestyle – I can understand why they would surround themselves with open minded individuals – regardless of their age.
While I understand and try to be receptive to each poster’s life experiences, I just want to be clear that I’m trying to give perspective from actually having a friendship with this person in question. I’m not asking you to take my word as absolute and you may still consider me naive but I would imagine that actual experiences/time spent with this individual would get as much credence as speculation from strangers.
Fair statement. Let me ask you a question if I may:
Do you agree that if I have a party at my home, or even host it on a patch of land in Siberia (in the Summer), and I provide booze, or, even someone underage brings their own, or, imbibes someone else’s, openly, that I am subject to the laws governing the same?
Same question for drugs, illegal, of any kind?
I respect an adults ability to live any lifestyle they choose. If they break the law I also respect their azz to be thrown in jail, and suffer whatever liability comes with such behavior.
Tripper or Trippee does matter.
B
#226 Comment by mag603 — December 19, 2009 @ 2:41 am
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I was wondering about “the 9″ too and came across this photo with caption:
“group shot! we tend to flock in groups of 9
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=45135451&op=1&o=all&view=all&subj=161409341318&aid=-1&oid=161409341318&id=6233863#/photo.php?pid=30036422&op=1&o=all&view=all&subj=161409341318&aid=-1&oid=161409341318&id=1569960021&fbid=1008522784570
Although only 8 of the nine are identified, the photo was added to the Facebook page by Morgan Nichols. MN is friends of Jen McDaniel, who I believe is HH’s Jeni. And so the intertwined connections continue…
Morgan Nichols is the last on the right, in the tie dye. Jen McDaniel and *Jeni* are two different people, though.
B
Momof3 Post #288, re: Roxie’s post – When & where did a coat come into evidence? This is the first I’ve heard of it.
Re: Guy – Sorry this will sound morbid, but a decomposing body puts off a heat signature, visible even from under ground/pavement.
I really want this girl found!
Only within 48 hrs under these conditions, some deviations, but in general.
B
Thanks for clarifying Jen and Jeni are two different people. I can’t keep all the players straight!
“#226 Comment by mag603 — December 19, 2009 @ 2:41 am
”
I was wondering about “the 9″ too and came across this photo with caption:
“group shot! we tend to flock in groups of 9
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=45135451&op=1&o=all&view=all&subj=161409341318&aid=-1&oid=161409341318&id=6233863#/photo.php?pid=30036422&op=1&o=all&view=all&subj=161409341318&aid=-1&oid=161409341318&id=1569960021&fbid=1008522784570”
Unfortunately I cannot access this page – - asks for a log in – - and can’t see the listing of the names. But if this is the same photo as the HFMH public access photo (with no accompanying text) with Morgan standing on the right wearing a sherpa jacket, then Ramona Terpin is not in this photo. Does that mean she is not considered part of “the 9″?
Correct.
B
Sorry, meant “left” – -with Morgan standing on the left (not right).
Blink #309 –
I believe that if you went to ANY party, show, bar, festival that these kids were at you would find a good amount of underage drinking and drug use.
I’m not arguing that HH is hosting bible study meetings. I’m just saying that I’ve personally been to several of his soirees and never felt uncomfortable or in any type of danger. In fact, I felt just the opposite. I might also add that I was sober at all times (no lie!). I’m just saying that nefarious is a word that I would NEVER use to describe HH.
And on the same note, if you dropped by Morgan’s apartment or any of “the 9″ on a weekend night you’d probably find a similar scene without any involvement from HH.
There are lots of pictures of Morgan and her friends camping, partying and at shows (none of which have HH in them btw). It’s pretty obvious that Morgan and her friends liked to have a good time regardless of their surroundings. I’m not judging – just making an observation, as I’ve been to many of the places and festivals she’s attended.
This isn’t a board discussing who is to blame for underage drinking, etc. And if it were, I still wouldn’t pin HH. Morgan and her friends are college students – they are quite capable of partying without the help of HH. So if we’re now thinking that he isn’t responsible for her disappearance, I don’t understand why we are now further discussing him.
*Let me be clear – I am NOT attributing any blame to Morgan for this situation. I’m very broken hearted for both her and her family and friends. I’m still hoping for the best – no matter how dreary the outlook is.
We are discussing him because you came on here to defend him. You said, in short, really no connection; I have proven that to be incorrect. And you bet we will discuss underage drinking, or whatever else was in play that could have caused the situation that occurred in ultimately taking Morgan’s life.
In fact, bringing out facts I had not disclosed earlier specifically because I do not wish to influence opinion one way or another, I simply allow the discussion.
Er go, I take the responsibility of this site seriously in that regard. I continue to be stupified when people think we just throw everything into the funnel. No Way.
Danielle. You felt compelled to defend your friend. No issue there.
However, In doing so, your ignoring what I specifically asked you.
I do not care if the spirit of Jerry Garcia himself opens the clouds in the sky and it rains beer and Weed directly on top of Herndon’s property while a “soiree” (really?- that is a word that fits, anyway..) of underage newbile’s are swirling in a circle to accept such gifts.
If my kid, and frankly anyone I know that is a parent, is one of those girls, I am going to pursue all legal remedies against the host available to me.
The Law is the law whether your at a bar, or on a mountain.
Don’t think me a woman with her head up her azz and out of touch. Please.
I am a parent of a child who is named after a dead relative who was killed by a drunk driver- AN UNDERAGE ONE.
B
(#301) Lizzy,
Sue and Suz expanded upon my most basic line of thinking in regards to why I don’t like the link to a paving company. Obviously bodies can be put under pavement/concrete. Sounds crazy, I know. But maybe it’s not. When they found Jaycee Dugard they were pulling up concrete patches in the BG’s backyard looking for the remains of others. Yes, that concept seems very mob-like….but as some of the posts above illustrate, Shannon seems to be embracing that image…half gansta/half mobster. Shooting someone in the kneecaps? Ugh.
Thinking about it a bit more (to “defend” the idea in my response to you
…) I also thought that the paving company might provide access to construction equipment needed to dig, move, and level ground. This might also mean access to larger trucks with sides if one ever needed to transport a body to a different location… I know it sounds crazy…but it at least demonstrates means.
You said he couldn’t do any of the stuff I’m imgaining or placing her at a commercial site because there would be too many people around. But he OWNS the company. He can access sites and use equipment at any time of day or night that he wishes. Plus, as the owner I would think that he would also have the project and workers’ schedules. Of anyone working on that site he would know when it would be safe to go without running into someone else.
I thought it was weird when I was reading the Find Morgan FB page posts by him that he kept saying things along the lines of “when you come home we can be friends…” I mean, I want nothing more than for her to be found safe and come home, and I identify with her in a lot of ways, but I don’t ever daydream or imagine us being friends if she were to come home safe. It just weirded me out.
And as another poster wrote, he was a bouncer at Wild Wings in Roanoke. There was also a Wild Wings in Charlottesville. As a bouncer he probably has some size to him and an air of authority. He might also have met/seen a lot of college girls coming in/out of that place over the time he worked there.
Finally, I’m interested in looking more at guys in the local music scene… I just haven’t gotten to follow the bread crumb trails yet. I just wanted to explore this guy more before moving along…because right around the time that I started poking a stick at this guy and his friends before, someone new got worked up enough to join our discussion.
I don’t know if it was ever confirmed, but someone posted a scent dog picked up Morgan’s scent at Wild Bill’s.
B
Wow, three Morgans (ok, one is a last name), two Chelseas, two Sarahs, one Emily and Amelia (tho those sound alike), and I suppose a partridge in a pair tree.
Re: #310 Comment by Swiss Miss — December 20, 2009 @ 12:50 pm
Jen McDaniel and “Jeni” are two different people…. but is there a relation between Jen McDaniel and Shannon Guy McDaniel????????
As I posted earlier, yes I believe there is. The Tyree sisters, the younger sisters of Meghan Tyree, one of the “9″ are on there as well.
B
#292 –
FWIW I don’t think Jeni *knew* Morgan. Jeni and I have a few mutual myspace friends. I checked out their MANY photo albums of Electric Chameleon/Blue Mountain shows, etc. While there are numerous of Jeni dancing with friends, I have yet to find one single picture of Morgan, even at the CD release party that we know Morgan was at(btw I don’t think Jeni attended). This gives me the impression that Jeni and Morgan may have been at the same place at the same time but they probably never actually talked. Similar to my situation with Jeni. I’ve seen her multiple times and we have mutual friends but since we’ve never actually spoken and I’ve never really paid close attention I would have made the same statement, “I don’t know this woman personally”.
Danielle, there are a few pics of Morgan at that party posted on this site.
Can you direct me to any of Jeni there, I can tell you it was not on her myspace, and that of the band, although there are many of her and Mohammed. We went through them one by one. The launch party btw, was October 2008.
B
Re: the picture of the nine with only 8 girls tagged (or listed), the 9th girl seems to be the one who posted it, Morgan Nichols. The last girl on the bottom right is the only one not tagged so my assumption is that she posted the photo and is therefore MN.
Blink -
To further make my point – please review the pictures of Electric Chameleon’s CD release party. It is at Martin’s, a 21 and up establishment in Roanoke. If you notice, they seem to have made an exception for this event. The 21 and ups have an orange wrist band. The 20 and unders have black x’s on their hands. Morgan, who would have been 19, doesn’t appear to have either.
One might make the assumption that despite the bars best efforts to prohibit underage drinking that some patrons take matters into (or off of) their own hands.
#294 radiogirl, You are most welcome. Thank you for sharing your childrens’ experiences with us. Do you think Morgan could have been picked up by a “Good Samaritan” that had underlying issues with Metalers? I hadn’t thought of this angle. I’ll share a story of mine to illustrate this point.
Many years ago a friend of mine, male, 19 years old, long hair, Slayer shirt, went on a long drive through the mountains. His car broke down. He left his car and began walking back to a g. station he passed several miles before. An older grandpa type, pulled over and offered him a ride to the station. On the way, this man began telling my friend that he couldn’t understand why a boy would go around with long hair, and that his music was from the devil and that this guy should just “better the world” by taking out a knife and shearing his hair off, ect, that way my friend wouldn’t be able to spread the “filth” of his music into the world. Fortunately my friend remained calm and reasoned with the guy, asked to be let off and the guy obliged.
Gawd, I just realized the H’s are affiliated with a Unity church, not Unitarian. Unity is cool, too, but not as high brow as Unitarian. Very nice churches, a little new agey with “our thoughts are prayers, and we are always praying” type beliefs, which perhaps is probably why they are trying hard to stay positive and not dwell on the negative.
No matter, really, just correcting my earlier mistake…
#311 Mary L.
I had only heard mention of the coat once when a witness said she believed she saw Morgan walking with some guys. I think this was found to be Dee not sure though. Roxie’s post was quite interesting at several points IMO
Such as this:
Knowing someone and living with them are two entirely different things.
There always seems to be one in every group that can be a bully or uses peer pressure as a means of getting their own way. Leaving to find respite back home is a sensible thing to do to get away from it all for awhile. It always seems too many pals are over, someone is not focused in pulling their weight or leaving one to spend more than their share. Thus, the bank account overdraft.
Also,this part:
I’m sure there have been bad concert nights or evenings in the past that may have harbored a little anger. Not to harm someone maliciously but things sometimes happen deserving of a pay back.
So, they already have tickets and decide to go and make the most out of it only for her to be left feeling like a third or fourth wheel.
Roxie’s insight into what may have transpired before during and after the concert are very thought-provoking…..
I forgot to elaborate into the reason I found Roxie’s comment stood out -
“here always seems to be one in every group that can be a bully or uses peer pressure as a means of getting their own way. Leaving to find respite back home is a sensible thing to do to get away from it all for awhile.”
The Harrington’s mentioned that Morgan had been visiting the house more the week of the concert, Roxie’s scenario seems plausible.
Blink, Thank you for your response and clarification of the dates post # 292. I agree confirmation , is important.
Re: #309 Comment by Danielle — December 20, 2009 @ 12:26 pm
The issue of HH’s age both is and is not an issue.
I am 26 and have friends who are 21, a main group of friends who are 30-38, and then several who are 40+. I love being friends with older people in the sense that it makes me feel like I’m finally an adult at a point where we are all equals. They serve a great resources and even mentors to me.
This is one difference that I see in my situation/expanded friend group and in HH’s situation. Many of my friends who are much older than me are in the same line of work so they also give advice, provide opportunities for me to gain work experience, connect me with their acquaintances, etc. Many of them have families, who I have also got to know. When I hang out with these friends alone it frequently involves meeting for coffee or lunch…not drugs, alcohol, or body painting like I think HH’s encounters do.
Another difference between our situations is that I’m 26 and out of college. I didn’t really develop any of these friendships until I was out of college. I know that everyone matures at different rates— I was by no means immature at any point– but I feel strongly that a lot of growing up occurs durring the college years. I think there is a big maturity-, life experience-, everything-gap between college students (and anyone younger) and post-college-age adults. Plain and simple.
This is why HH’s situation bothers me. Why does he have and/or “need” this group of young associates with which to party? Because he doesn’t relate to people his own age? Because he is immature? Because he needs to feel important or powerful by being older, “wiser” or by providing access to events or to substances that are restricted?
Another poster stated that when these young folks grow up and move on, HH will simply have a new group of youngsters with which to replace the old. I agree. I had a coworker (supervisor) at my on-campus job in college who sexually harassed most of the female college students who worked in that department (yes, I made a complaint… the head of the department totally mishandled the situation). But at one of the student appreciation lunches held at the end of each semester, one supervisor remarked how they would miss the students that were graduating. And creepy coworker remarked that he wouldn’t because a “new crop” would replace them. This just illustrates that older predatory mentality as applied to college aged girls…there are always more to target.
“But if this is the same photo as the HFMH public access photo (with no accompanying text) with Morgan standing on the right wearing a sherpa jacket, then Ramona Terpin is not in this photo. Does that mean she is not considered part of “the 9″?
“Correct.
B”
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That’s interesting, because in the photo that OPEN YOUR EYES referenced in her post comments:
Comment by OPEN YOUR EYES — December 9, 2009 @ 12:53 pm
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=9576645&op=4&o=global&view=global&subj=162224546575&id=505480153
“ok sorry to say this, but she looks so totally sick and out of place in this photo. . .she definitely had something going on. ..that, coupled with the over-surveillance by parents, overdrawn bank account (of girl whose family is NOT struggling), I need help with my homework, transfer from high school in Senior year (WHO does THAT??) SHE WAS DEF STRUGGLING with something. Notice there are no NEW FRIENDS from the high school to which she transferred. . .once someone is into a “scene” that people don’t approve of, first thing friends do is try to help. If the “struggling” person refuses, sooner or later, friends eventually write them off because it is just too frustrating to deal with. Parents deny “this doesnt happen to us”, “she would never do that” “this is someone else’s fault” blah, blah & try to deal with it quietly…”
Ramona Terpin, who is not considered to part of the “9″, is in this photo, standing to the far left. If this was considered to be a “Group of 9″ photo, IMO, Morgan is not the one “out of place” as OPEN refers to Morgan as being.
Blink you are right, someone did say dogs picked up her scent at Wild Wings in c’ville, which someone else pointed out is above the Amtrak station. I have never seen official confirmation about her scent being found there, though.
“I am a parent of a child who is named after a dead relative who was killed by a drunk driver- AN UNDERAGE ONE.
B”
Dearest Blink,
I had no idea, but felt something within and behind your endless passion and genuine commitment to be a voice for those who do not have their own.
I am so very sorry for the tragic loss of your loved one.
With warmth,
your mouse
WPG, thanks for the kind words, but although the individual I speak of was a personal friend of mine at the time, the loss was certainly felt stronger by Blink Jr’s paternal side of the family. While it is certainly a driving factor, my burgeoning commitment as an advocate of sorts came from a much more recent tragedy, which affected parents very close to us.
Through that “nightmare” I learned what is an epidemic in our world.
Predators, their targets and prey, and those that suffer from their actions;
The supreme indignity of it, haunts me.
It is my sincere hope that those with skill sets, or simple compassion, that can help those that need it, will.
B
I am still convinced that the below are ALL aboslutely KEY in this case:
- The dude who drove Morgan’s car AS THIS WOULD BE THE LOGICAL PERSON FOR HER TO BE CONTACT ONCE OUTSIDE THE ARENA
- How the facial injury / fall occured
- What was the relationship like with her circle of friends like recently? OYE comments are what make me question this….
- Why was she outside the arena in the first place. Is it true that her friends know it was to go meet someone or is that just speculation
- What did she say and how did she appear to the basketball players
- Was there a local party that her and her friends had plans to go to after the concert?
- Would like to know more about if the cops have confirmed or rolled out the Econolodge sighting
Blink – (#320)
I think you either misunderstood my post or I didn’t make myself clear. What I was saying was that I can’t find any pictures (and I’ve looked through hundreds of shows/parties/etc from mutual friends myspace and facebook pages) that have both Morgan and Jeni together (or even in the same frame). Meaning that Jeni probably knew *of* Morgan but didn’t *know* her. I’m aware that Morgan was at EC’s 2008 CD release party at Martin’s. Jeni, to my knowledge, was not. Sorry for the confusion.
BlackPearl – (#327)
Again, I’m still not sure why we’re discussing HH when most posters (Blink included) feel that he wasn’t responsible for Morgan’s disappearance. That being said, I’m sure that HH gives advice, provides work opportunities and makes connections between friends (who also have families). His line of work and yours are obviously two different things. That doesn’t mean that yours is *right* and his is *wrong*. They are just different. I frequently see HH at shows where I am not drinking, he is not drinking, there is no susbtance abuse and no body painting. In fact, I can honestly say that I have never personally seen HH drink, smoke, etc. I’m not saying that he does or doesn’t, as Blink has stated she may have facebook pictures that say otherwise, just that those things aren’t a significant part of his existence. Music, his partner, his many many rescue dogs and his friends are. So in my mind, to accuse, try and convict him on a message board of being a drugged out pedophile is the equivalent of someone saying Morgan must be on heroin because she’s pale. In otherwords, it’s unfair.
And he doesn’t “need” this group of “young associates” around him. They enjoy listening to good music and often end up congregating wherever that music is. As I said before – this is a small-ish community. If you are a *hippie* in this area you have a handful of bands to check out on the weekends and you generally end up frequenting the same places and seeing the same people. We consider ourselves fortunate to have beautiful outdoor venues to spend time at such as Blue Mountain and HH’s “round house”. Families are welcome, dogs are welcome, I’ve taken my in-laws, my boss. HH doesn’t *personally* invite all of these people. Any invitation that I’ve received came from friends (or friends of friends)in their 20′s and most of them were males wanting to see whatever band was playing there that night.
All the comparisons to adult men that “sexually harass” college females and “touch children” are unwarranted as there is absolutely NO evidence to indicate that is the situation with HH.
For me, it is strictly a matter of what is legal and what is not. When our kids are out of our care, sometimes that is the only thing on our side. NOBODY gets to usurp that.
B
Why is it so difficult for people to accept that cohorts can sometimes be based on similar qualities and not just similar ages?
Yes, I have seen before it mentioned about the dogs picking her scent up by Wild Wings and that it is by the Amtrak station. I would love for LE to confirm this or roll out as well.
One must start wondering now if LE does have a POI or not. I am starting to believe not with how much time is passing. Too much time. Time and weather comprimising evidence, and if what we fear of the worst has happened and dear Morgan lay out in the elements, hoping she will be found, may also make it more difficult to determine cause of death.
I fear that if something doesn’t break soon, even if they do find Morgan, the BG will get away with this and escape justice.
SOMETHING HAS GO TO BREAK IN THIS CASE ASAP
BlackPearl,
Thanks for responding to my question. Just want to clarify that in your response, you wrote “You said he couldn’t do any of the stuff I’m imgaining or placing her at a commercial site because there would be too many people around. But he OWNS the company,” but it was another poster not me who said that. I just asked why his business creeped you out–I think it hurt my feelings!
I admit that I’m “construction literate” to an unusual extreme. Your speculation is not impossible, but probably less likely for paving than for some other types of construction. Wouldn’t hurt to know what jobs his company had going then, though, if there’s a real reason to consider him as a POI.
BlackPearl, Let’s not forget the most obvious reason HH would hang out with those younger than he. HIS BUSINESS. Who would want to see an old woman body-painted?
An old Hippie in a tie-died shirt is just that an old hippie. But if you can get some young, cool college kids to wear them, to promote them. Then what you have is a very lucrative business.
Is it a certainty that the dude who drove the car did not go to the show? I don’t think I’ve seen that anywhere in the official info, such that it is. Is it inside stuff that our very own Blink knows for sure?
He did. Therefore, imo, text dude and driving dude are 2 different people. That said, my confirmed information conflicts with a few things the Harrington’s said recently.
Thus, the “hear we go again” from me. sigh.
B
Judi, LE has said directly “We do not have a POI” but all of us hope they are just throwing the perp off.
Radio #294 –
I actually found your post very interesting. Reading it was like getting lost in a good novel. I didn’t even notice it being long until you mentioned it in your next comment.
I have always felt that Morgan got a ride with someone she knew, or at least, someone she thought she knew.
I think it was a great idea to ask your kids their opinion.
Hearing about what your kids went through makes me even more afraid to send mine off to college, though. I’m glad they are OK.
BlackPearl:
I have been trying my best to follow this, but I’m still not sure where/when/why this Shannon guy came into play. From what I have read here, he does seem to be someone who should be looked into a little further. Some of his comments, etc. do seem to be a little off. And his picture does not seem to match his personality. If the dogs really picked up Morgan’s scent at Wild Bill’s, and this guy is affiliated with the place……well…..
Also, the connection to the paving company didn’t just give me the creeps….it sent chills up my spine.
I will have to go search through older posts to see where he first is mentioned. Thank you for posting this information. I do believe it is something that should be further investigated.
Red, White & Blue Paving would not have been working on any significant commercial jobs. According to the Virginia Department of Professional and Occupational Regulation, the company was licensed only as a Class C contractor.
“Class C contractors perform or manage construction, removal, repair, or improvements when (i) the total value referred to in a single contract or project is over $1,000 but less than $7,500, or (ii) the total value of all such construction, removal, repair, or improvements undertaken by such person within any 12-month period is less than $150,000. The Board shall require a master tradesmen license as a condition of licensure for electrical, plumbing and heating, ventilation and air conditioning contractors.
Basically, this means that they would be limited to sidewalks, resurfacing of driveways, and perhaps new construction of small driveways.
However, the license is currently SUSPENDED. (I think for failure to pay after findings of a violation, but I didn’t dig far on this.)
If this was a “real” paving company, I would have the contacts in Virginia to find out more info. But it is a real stretch to call this a paving company, and no respectable company probably has any relationship. I expect if he did any work recently, it was preying on unsuspecting homeowners. With a suspended license, and for an operation like this, it would be harder to locate recent jobs.
An indication of his concern for customers can be found in his response (although it’s not clear to which complaint he is responding) from September 2009 posted at:
http://www.complaints.com/2007/may/29/Red__White___Blue_Paving_Company__Paving_Service_145078.htm
Oye Vey
Go Lizzy.
B
Anyway, you guys have finally hit on a topic of my expertise.
P.S. Thought I would provide a little reference for those who have no idea what larger-scale construction costs, as compared to a $7500 contract limit, and $150,000 per year limit. (Can’t have many employees at that rate, can you? Or buy new equipment. And would have to buy all materials from someone else; can’t have any of their own plants.) Anyway, for reference, to build 1 mile of real highway costs in the ballpark of $2 million, depending.
If paving company links send “chills up your spine,” I’ve probably got you totally freaked out by now. Did you know we use enough concrete in this country to bury each of us in 2 cubic yards every year? Sorry, couldn’t resist. lizzy
Sigh…Just have to clang a few bells here.
Danielle–thank you so much for writing here and giving us your experience with HH and his/your community. I know these enclaves exist and have done so, throughout history. I’m glad you are comfortable in your lifestyle. I celebrate that. Bells go off though when you say HH doesn’t even invite all of these people who show up. Uh-oh. And yet he is responsible for the legality of their actions? I would say that he is naive, if not irresponsible. I expect adults to protect young people and fall back on the laws of our land when they don’t. Yet, that resort is often too late. I insist those around me ‘mature up,’ obey the law, and take care of the vulnerable when they are in our scope of doing so. Oh, yeah, and have an awesome time!
We discuss on these threads underage drinking, drug use, sex, pornography, pedophilia, and anything, everything. everyone, that could have been a factor in the demise and disappearance of Morgan Harrington. Not unique to this case at all. Each little pebble is turned over and over until the goal is met. You see, some of us are compelled to bring justice and closure to a situation where one of the vulnerable ones has been *unfairly* taken from our community. I know you are sensitive and will understand that.
So I hope you’ll bear that in mind when reading here (and I don’t speak for all)
When I said I didn’t think he could dump a body doing a commercial job cuz there would be too many folks around, I meant that let’s say he was paving a street downtown, or your long driveway; he’d generally have a crew with him (someone to pour the gravel, another dude to rake the rocks, etc.) and it’s not exactly the kind of thing that would NOT draw attention if he showed up in the middle of the night and started operating some big equipment. Now, in his own paving company yard where all the big equipment is parked? Yeah, he possibly could do something there without arousing suspicion (if no one saw, and it was off the beaten path), but it’s kind of like the Anthony’s pouring concrete on July 3, or the wet spot on the rug at missing Susan Powell’s house being dried by two fans—it’s something that would raise a cop’s eyebrow.
But I think mostly he’d have a steam roller type thing, a truck that dumps gravel, and a thing that lays down macadam or asphalt (maybe also a dump truck). He says his asphalt is 3 inches thick “which is the best”—that’s misleading. The important part is the gravel that goes beneath the asphalt, and you need plenty of it, sometimes 8 inches, but most of the crooks around her skimp on that and give you a big fat chunk of 3 inch thick asphalt that begins to crumble after a year or so because the foundation isn’t done properly. But I digress…and I’m sure his company is honest and capable. But that little amount of depth—8 inches of gravel and 3 inches of asphalt—doesn’t seem sufficient to pave over a body. You’d have to dig a big hole first.
I guess if I were searching in his yard, in addition to the obvious freshly poured asphalt, or disturbed earth, I’d have the dogs sniff around big piles of gravel.
Note to wpgmouse:
When on FB and you are asked for a login, just use your own FB logon. It works for me.
Let me know if it gets you in.
I have a few more questions to add to Judi’s questions.
Did SS bday event actually take place…5 days after her DEAR friend went missing?
Do they know ID of the 4th person in the car? Do they know where s/he is …. (In other words, is MH the only person missing?)
Would LE ever find a body, ID it — and not release that information to the public so they could build a case? May be an odd question, but I wonder this because of the statement by Mr. Harrington in the Read the Hook article, “Someone should not be taken, raped and murdered.”
Not SS party.
B
http://www.readthehook.com/blog/index.php/2009/12/18/holiday-heartache-harringtons-face-christmas-without-morgan/
Comment by BlackPearl — December 19, 2009 @ 2:57 am
“Re: #223
Wpgmouse, the link you posted to photos of the Electric Chameleon video shoot…you say that they are from Oct. 17. Do you say this because there is a way to confirm that this is when they were actually taken? Or do you say this based on the fact that this is when HH says the video was taken? Was no one looking for these images online before and just stumbled upon them now? Or were they posted long after the October 17th shoot? I tried to see if I could figure out when the photos were added to sight, but could not.”
from Blink, in response to Momof3 December 20, 2009 @ 1:56 am
“Mom- other than the association with several degrees of separation, there is no evidence I am aware of that leads there. I do think it is possible that shoot was the 18th into the 19th, confirmation would be helpful.
B”
BlackPearl and Blink,
I thought the shoot was on the 17th – - I guess, yes, from what HH said on this site. The photos were “added” on the 19th, according to the band EC’s facebook. Also, there was this comment on their facebook wall:
Electric Chameleon
Getting ready to for the “Hey Girl” video shoot, working with premier producer/director Scott Hansen check his work out at http://www.scotthansenproductions.com
October 17 at 8:35am
http://www.facebook.com/electricchameleon
There is this photo with the caption:
“The end of the night at 2am everyone looking and feeling a little rough”
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=3270383&id=23318185779
But as far as 2am on what day, I have no idea. So, Blink, yes it could be the 18th into the 19th.
Been trying to catch up…we’re under at least 20 inches of snow and I’m just trying to stay sane and keep kids fed. Half of them aren’t even related and don’t live here. Radio, I loved your post about your own kids, and think it’s important to hear what they say about Morgan’s case without having followed up to now. My kids are having a hard time getting past “why on earth did she leave the arena and head to the bridge?” And they say they’d never have let a friend of theirs head to the bathroom by herself. Period. So Morgan must have been headed out for a reason and the friends know this.
Also, Sue…I mentioned in an earlier post a 1982 case here in Charlottesville. Twelve year old Katie Worskey disappeared while spending the night with a friend…C’ville was able to prosecute and convict without finding her body, but unfortunately the guy is already out. Anyway, it may just have been rumor, but it was a common belief that she was placed in the foundation of the Hardees going up at the foot of Pantops, just before the concrete was poured. Sounds like an East River kind of thing, but it can happen anywhere. And if Shannon, with his knowlege of paving and probably construction sites, felt he had to hide Morgan, he’d know the timing of pouring a foundation, etc. This is what I first thought of when I heard they were searching the Martha Jefferson Hospital construction site several weeks ago…no one would have been around at night, doctor offices closed, and the out-patient surgery center is not open at night. And it’s right at the Pantop’s exit off of 64. Farfetched but possible. Or any construction site going on, really. So I’m following you.
I had also heard about the dogs placing Morgan at Buffalo Wild Wings down on Main Street. College kids love this place…it’s about 4 miles east of JPJ on Main Street (which is also 250.) It’s a great place to drink beer and watch games…if Shannon is a bouncer at the BWW in Roanoke he might have an in here, and would be able to get Morgan served. Don’t know, but I think I mentioned it as a place before where kids go to hang out. If she got in a car and willingly rode that far to a bar, either her fear sensors didn’t kick in, or she knew, and felt safe with the driver.
Blink…I continue to be amazed by the posters on your site, and you do such a good job of keeping us all in line. I can hardly go to findmorgan.com and facebook even just to search around. Thanks to all the posters for including links to the important stuff.
Lol at kids not related and dont live there.. Doesn’t it blur daily? 18″ in Jersey.
Katie Worskey, and others like her, are my Suzie Salmon.
B
And I agree with all the posters who believe that this will come full circle to Morgan’s group of friends and those on the periphery. It will go back to the Roanoke scene, and hopefully LE has sights on someone who will talk.
Danielle, I don’t mean to accuse HH of any bad behavior. I haven’t seen pics that Blink has referenced about underage kids partying with him or at his place.
We were and are talking about him because there are links between him and MH. He is apparently involved with substances which can alter behavior and effect judgement. If he really does extend open invitations to his parties and events then who knows who all shows up. Additionally, he seems to be involved in the local music scene. I know that a lot of girls–especially those that are also into the local music scene– find musicians extra attractive/appealing/what have you. Add to that equation a difference in age and there is potentially an imbalance of power.
I’m not going after HH because of his lifestyle or profession. I actually work in the arts, as does my boyfriend who is also a small-time/local musician. I know what goes on and have been a part of this scene. I have nothing against personal choices people make. I just become concerned about kids finding themselves in situations that they arent mature enough, prepared enough, or sober enough to deal with properly/safely– even if they think they are.
We look to HH because of his many connections…to MH…to the music scene…to a lot of other people who may have come into contact with MH prior to the day she went missing. I apologize if you feel like we are unnecessarily going after him. Also, while these discussions aren’t totally comfortable for the people we’re talking about (or even us..I was uncomfortable posting names at first but began doing so because the whole point is to make the most progress through collaborative efforts) if you look back through posts, we tend to go over and over an issue, offer our opinions, and move on if there is nothing substantial there…
Can I ask you, while I’m at it, your opinion on why he would post that first reponse that he did on his Myspace page? About how he knows Morgan is missing but that he was out of town and had nothing to do with it? That is one thing that just seemed odd…Thanks!
When I was in highschool we had an older guy who loved to party with us…he was a friend of all the boys from summer league lacrosse, could get them anything they wanted. The life of the party, we all loved him. He was a pharmacist, and sadly later died of a heart attack.