Morgan Harrington Case: An Appeal To * You Know Who*
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Charlottesville, VA–The disappearance of Morgan Harrington, missing since October 17, 2009 is exhibiting the potential to reach a temperature that is currenlty encompassing the Northeast: VERY COLD.
Through the thousands of posts at blinkoncrime.com and numerous articles covering Morgan, it is clear that frustration in the lack of lead generation and ambiguous statements from the Virginia State Police are causing some to lack conviction Morgan will be found.
In a recent press conference by VSP, LE provided NO NEW information or progress regarding Morgan’s case. In a shift of posture by the Harrington family, Dr. Harrington has begun participating in online chat and sponsored an additional facebook site to help the efforts to find his daughter.
In fact, for the first time in 2.5 months, we know what kind of camera Morgan had with her the evening of the Metallica concert from his research.
In contrast, we have viewed footage and photos of her dear friends that have clearly moved on without the knowledge of their friends plight.
Girls will be girls you say? Before one person comes on here to tell me I am being too critical of these young women you should know that due to a fortunate Facebook update, describing these girls as Morgan’s friends is entirely generous.
Furthermore, if you happen to be one of the parents that has provided booze for underage minors captured on digital for all to see you may wish to take a peek at what is on your daughter’s social sites.
Have you thought about what it would be like to be Gil or Dan while your linin’ it up and throwin’ em back WITH your kids?
Fortunately, this is not the focus today. I do not feel Morgan’s friends did anything to directly cause her fate. They are more “ME” than frienemy, that is evident.
Gil Harrington, posting on the families site findmorgan.com, wrote one of the most eloquent and courageous posts from the Mother of a missing child I have ever read.
The snowfall is beautiful but still disturbing – melancholy. Wonder if Morgan is cold – is snow falling on her face – or is her face covered by leaves in a shallow grave being hidden by the snow. I glance out the window and see the crimson blaze of a cardinal at the bird feeder – my heart leaps for a second at the beauty – then I think its feathers look like blood in the snow. Is that what Morgan’s blood looks like in the snow? See how the pitfalls are everywhere – even at the bird feeder.
In a somewhat angst-ridden moment, a poster on blinkoncrime.com suggested any and all witnesses in this case should be subject to repeated Barry Manilow songs until they confess.
It jogged a memory for me that reminded me that I am proudly my Father’s daughter. Morgan is Dan Harrington’s daughter.
Maybe someone, somewhere, has just not approached that perspective.
In response to the MAN-i-low dis-
Blink prefacing below to say: yes, off topic, and yes, I am on cold meds, but y’all went after the “MAN ilow”. < ?xml:namespace prefix ="" o />
Barry holds a special place in the heart of my family. When I was a kid I used to play dress up with my Mom’s clothes. If a pair of her way-too-big-for-me heels was “done”, she would let me cut off the ankle straps and dance around in them as slides.
One afternoon, when I should have been doing my homework, I was blaring Copa Cabana in my Parents study dressed like a thriftshop showgirl and when ” Who could ask for more…at the Copa” part came on, I kicked like a 12 year old Rockette and launched my “slide/RPG” into the ceiling.
There it stayed.
I threw everything I could find at that shoe to dislodge it. Nothing.
Except for the new marks on the scalloped ceiling.
Later, when unbeknownst to me, my Dad was reading his 12 daily newspapers in the study, I thought I might try another idea.
I jumped as hard as I could at the spot upstairs above where the slutslipper was lodged.
It worked on the 3rd try.
How do I know?
I heard a “S o n o f a …..” , then something that sounded like a combination of my first and middle names with a swear word interjected that was rising in tone and volume, and now coming my way.
As I hit the hallway to head to the other direction or squeeze myself unnaturally under something, there He was
My Dad, evidence in hand, smiling wryly form ear to ear.
“Yours I presume, young lady,” his forearm outstretched gently with the nail to my coffin in his palm.
I responded .. “What makes you say that?
Could be ketchup or mustards..”
(Lame editors note: do NOT ask, my sisters and I had bathing suits that matched when we were little that were red, yellow and white, respectively, it stuck to this day, I was Mayo)
He replied .. ” Because I know, this weekend, when you fish out your overalls and help me fix the ceiling before your Mother notices, you would rather do that than whatever she comes up with so we can be all done here. The End. ( Blink dad making the wipe hands clean gesture)
She has been talking about repainting the Family room for months, I would LOVE some help with that…”
“Yes Sir.” I muttered with a matching grimace.
“Can I have it back?” I asked.
“I would say your dancing days are on hold, dear daughter, for the foreseeable future, as are your TV privliges.”
“Anything else? ” I asked.
“Why yes, there is. If you choose to dance through the house with wreckless abandon, next time, do it when your homework is finished and in your tennis shoes. And can you please try to be more like your Mother and less like me?”
“Doubtfull Deets, doubtful.”
With that carefully measured tween rhetort I skipped down the hall, crisis averted and I am still Dad’s fave.
I can live with the painting. Wonder if I can pick the color??
I chose to share this very personal exchange with my Daddy because it dawned on me that maybe someone that reads this does not understand what Morgan’ s Father (and family, but this reference is strictly male) needs from them.
He was her protector. He is her ceiling fixer.
You have to give him back what you took so he can fix it for her and their family.
He does not care who you are or what you may have done.
You can do this for them now. Have faith that anything can be fixed. Anything.
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ohiomom (#990) re:
“J2K – I’m commenting here today because I had to laugh out loud at your typo when you referred to Tarheel as ‘a friend of the fiends.’”
HA! Good catch, ohio. Clearly a typo and not a Freudian Slip. Clearly.
On the CUE Center for Missing Persons website, they list the jewelry Morgan was wearing when she went missing as follows:
“Jewelry: Silver dangling earrings, silver chain linked necklace, multiple rings and elastic band bracelet worn on left wrist”
http://www.ncmissingpersons.org/harringtons-announce-new-professional-search-effort/
This is the volunteer agency that the Harrington’s recently enlisted to help conduct an upcoming search.
Have we always had this much information about her jewelry? The silver dangling earrings aligns with granny’s account about the girl arguing with the guy in the parking lot. But interesting that granny didn’t notice the necklace. And interesting that LE specifically *highlighted* the necklace.
I can’t get my head around this…the fact that she was wearing other jewelry but LE chose to make note of a missing necklace seems to imply that they *know* she became separated from or removed her necklace. Maybe witness accounts do not line up…some saw her with a necklace, some without a necklace.
Round and round we go….sigh.
On another note, Skyler—if you need any personal job references we’ll all put in a collective good word for you! Just send them here.
Hi everybody,
Sorry for getting your gender wrong Tarheel. Don’t take it personal, J@K and Chad can tell you I’ve done it often.
Mouse, Hi, glad you are here. I’ve missed your posts. I agree the Paris Hilton comment is weird, coupled with the other strange comments there I am not sure what to think.
You wrote:
-My question is how and by whom did this “picture come to be, and why are they putting this out in to the community? I did not interpret, through Blink’s response and my own take on things, this “picture” to be an accurate one. JMO.
Also, Dan H.’s remarks that the described or witnessed behaviors of his
daughter (taking into consideration alcohol consumption) that night are contrary to what he knows (not only as her father, but as a professional in the broader perspective of college drinking) and are not making sense to him. IMO, Morgan was not “irrational”, rather the picture that has been put out there is “irrational”.-
I am “getting” what you’re saying. I think you are correct. Could it be that JPJ is protecting itself?
Andrew, thanks for your thoughts. I agree that MMc.ground may turn up nothing just as Econolodge seems to have turned up nothing. But until Morgan is found, I really think it needs to be searched.
J2K,Thanks for the apology. I am sick of talking about OYE’s musings also. She has not stopped posting, by the way. She just posted on this thread. But I agree to move on, except to state I want LE to check out MMCG and any other party spot that may seem convenient and secluded….
Enquirer, Hope you’ll come back and enlighten us.
Tarheelfan, Hello You wrote:
Instead of dissecting posts by posters here..OYE, etc, I think the focus needs to be on facts “as we know them.”
I agree with you. But what are the facts, you know? LE has released several conflicting statements. The friends are not talking it took alot of time before we learned who was in the car, what car,that there was drinking involved, Morgan may have been HH we still don’t have a pic of the purse,or a pic of Morgan that is the most recent, we still don’t know if JPJ’s purse theft was related… We really have no concrete facts to go on other than Morgan is missing she last called her dad at 2pm she was texting someone, she was at the concert in her car with friends who were friends with some of the most important witnesses. There are no pics or video, she lost her camera, possibly her necklace and her cell battery.
Chad, I’ll share my wavelength anytime.
Just saw your post mosaic. I add her jewelery to the list of things that we should know but don’t. I thought LE dismissed the Granny siting, mostly based on the earrings….Sigh
re: the purse theft report
“I have an idea, can someone on campus do me a favor and pull the incident report on the stolen purse filed on 10/17 9:30PM?
Let’s just clear this up .
B”
Whoever reported this stolen purse would have done so either by phone or in person to LE – - either at a station or to a LE person on-site at a place like JPJ Arena, etc.
The incident report would have the name of the reportee and how, when and where it was reported. If it was via phone (cell, blue-phone outside JPJ, other), chances are there is an audio recording of the call.
The incident report will also state the name of the LE person who spoke to the reportee and recorded the complaint and all details.
If the incident is available and if accurately recorded (particularly if not done via phone but in-person on site other than a station) then information should be available as to whether or not it was Morgan who
made the complaint of a stolen purse. If clarification is needed, then the LE “recorder” would be contacted for further input.
Blink is right – - this report is important.
The “purse theft”, reported at the critical time of 9:30pm in the timeline of Morgan’s disappearance, should be easily cleared up by pulling the incident report from this occurrence listing/report:
LARCENY FROM VEHICLE � The Park 200901369/22
Reported purse and contents stolen from vehicle
RPT: 2130 10-17-09
OCC: 1738 10-17-09 to 1755 10-17-09
CASE STATUS: Suspended
http://www.virginia.edu/uvapolice/reports.html
Occurred between 1738 (5:38pm) and 1755 (5:55pm)
which coincides with the alleged 6pm arrival time of the group at JPJ
Reported at 2130 (9:30pm)
which is the LE timeline of the last sighting of Morgan.
Mosaic, thanks for the link to the CUE Center for Missing Persons re: its new affiliation with the Harringtons (http://www.ncmissingpersons.org/harringtons-announce-new-professional-search-effort/).
One comment I want to throw out to everyone…the announcement states “She became separated from friends and called them from her cell phone at approximately 8:40PM indicating she finding alternative transportation home.” It seems that we’re now back to MH calling her friends and not vice versa!
# 893 Comment by redly — January 14, 2010 @ 12:21 pm
“Many people from the roanoke area and further south would consider themselves tarheels (i.e., fans of the UNC basketball team).”
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I’ve been lurking for a while, but when I read the comment from redly, I had to put on my Virginia Tech t-shirt … and sweatshirt … and hat … and jewelry … and slippers (you get the picture) and stomp my foot in outrage.
No disrespect redly, but have you ever been to Roanoke? Please believe me when I say that folks in this area are primarily Virginia Tech fans, and there is also a large contingent of UVa fans. And then there are the other fine Virginia universities (JMU, ODU, VCU, George Mason, etc.) — plenty of fans for them, too, as well as for West Virginia, Tennessee, Marshall, etc.
UNC is probably not in the top 10 around here, and once you get into North Carolina, you’re also looking at NC State, Duke, and Wake Forest fans.
“Tarheels” is simply the name of UNC teams, groups, alumni, students, and mascot, as well as a nickname for North Carolinians. Someone living in North Carolina is a tarheel. It is not restricted to the basketball team or basketball fans.
Think Georgia Bulldogs, Maryland Terrapins, Penn State Nittany Lions, Virginia Tech Hokies, and UVa Wahoos (or Cavaliers).
Can you tell that I *am* a sports fan?
Go Hokies!
re: the purse theft report
Should have added …
If, IF it was Morgan who either phoned in or personally reported a stolen purse to a LE person, then corroborated this could very well be what LE is basing the 9:30pm on in their timeline.
Yes, as in, maybe the call was cut short? Maybe they tried to call her back? Maybe the call came from the mysterious phone and it was Morgan filing the report?
..jus sayin.” I can’t let this bone go, O how I try..
B
I know I am late to the SGM “party” but since he was mentioned again, I wanted to say that I am suspicious of the fact he seemed to almost immediately know Erin Cole’s name. It was not mentioned on the Clementine link. So if he doesn’t know them then how did he know who to contact to clear his name? And contacting SS at the same time?
Also I thought the picture with the shrink wrap was actually meant to be “mocking”. As the mother of four boys between 14 and 29, mocking is a given. A kind of I’m saying I made you think it is not me but look at me here. Think of it as a catch me if you can picture. If I am correct, he is more intelligent and more devious than has been acknowledged. I actually found it disturbing.
And I am not convinced it is not him in the original picture.
Lastly, I think it is interesting that SGM actually fits Enquirer’s description (an ex-con with a hang of a lot of issues, especially temper related issues…..) very well.
RE: #1003 Comment by wpgmouse
(snippet)
LARCENY FROM VEHICLE � The Park 200901369/22
Reported purse and contents stolen from vehicle
RPT: 2130 10-17-09
OCC: 1738 10-17-09 to 1755 10-17-09
CASE STATUS: Suspended
http://www.virginia.edu/uvapolice/reports.html
Occurred between 1738 (5:38pm) and 1755 (5:55pm)
which coincides with the alleged 6pm arrival time of the group at JPJ
Reported at 2130 (9:30pm)
which is the LE timeline of the last sighting of Morgan
If this is Morgan, which right now I hope it is because that would mean she was NOT the one dropping her purse all over the place which puts this all into a different perspective. But wouldn’t the friends have know the purse was stolen??? OR could it be that is something we have not been privy too, a trump LE has tried to hang on to???
“Yes, as in, maybe the call was cut short? Maybe they tried to call her back? Maybe the call came from the mysterious phone and it was Morgan filing the report?
..jus sayin.” I can’t let this bone go, O how I try..
B”
Well, that’s where the incident report comes which should explain why the
Case Status reads “Suspended”. Also, the incident report will be dated.
How has the Misty Mountain Campground been identified as a party spot? Have any of the locals heard of it being used that way. I am no longer a local unfortunately but I had never heard of it (and let’s just say I had a lot of fun during my 7 years in the hook (c’ville).
Bob-Dog — almost everyone from the roanoke area is a hokie football fan, but the stereotype is that they don’t know whom to root for when the heels play the hokies in hoops. Regardless, when I hear the word tarheel I think of a UNC fan, and that was how I read OYE to be using it.
My daughter just received this campus alert at JMU
Off-Campus Incident of Abduction and Forcible Rape – HPD CFS # 2010-003065
TIMELY NOTIFICATION BULLETIN
Possible Threat to the Community
“Your Right to Know”
January 14, 2010
OFFENSE: Off-Campus Abduction and Forcible Rape
LOCATION: Chestnut Ridge Drive and Breckenridge Court area of the City of Harrisonburg
TIME: Approximately 7:40 PM , Wednesday, January 13, 2010.
SUSPECT: A Hispanic Male and a White Male in a black four-door Honda sedan
In compliance with the “Timely Notice” provisions of the federal Jeanne Clery Disclosure of Campus Security Policy and Campus Crime Statistics Act of 1998 the University Police are giving notice of a incident reported to the Harrisonburg Police Department involving an alleged incident of Abduction and Forcible Rape that occurred off-campus.
The Harrisonburg Police Department is investigating the report of an abduction and forcible rape and seeks help from the public.
On Jan. 13, at approximately 7:40 p.m. an 18 year old female was reportedly running on Chestnut Ridge Drive, when two unknown males in a vehicle asked for directions. The victim is not a JMU student.
The two men were stopped at a stop sign when they asked the female for directions. As the victim approached the suspect’s window, the male located in the passenger’s seat exited the vehicle, displayed a knife, and forced the female into the vehicle.
The driver drove down Chestnut Ridge Drive to the area of Breckenridge Court, where one of the male suspects forcibly raped the victim.
The vehicle is described as a black four-door Honda sedan with gray interior.
The driver of the vehicle is described as a Hispanic male with a mild Spanish accent. He was wearing a white t-shirt, a white bandana, jeans, a white New York Yankees hat with a straight brim, and a diamond stud earring in his right ear. He had short dark hair with longer sideburns. The male was approximately 5’6 or 5’7 in height and in his early 20’s.
The passenger, who assaulted the female, is described as a white male, who was wearing jeans, a baggy white t-shirt, a gold chain necklace, and two big diamond stud earrings in both ears. He has a medium, muscular build, short “stubble” on his face, and short brown hair. The male was approximately 6’ tall, 180 pounds, and in his early 20’s.
The Harrisonburg Police Department encourages the community to be vigilant of your surroundings and to always travel with a friend, especially at night. It is recommended to never talk to strangers or approach a stranger’s vehicle. While walking or running, do not wear any headphones or talk on a cell phone as this is easily distracting. Please practice safe habits at your residence as well by locking all doors and windows.
This is a very serious crime and the Harrisonburg Police Department is asking for the public to call Crime Solvers at 574-5050 with any additional information.
The case is still being actively investigated by law enforcement. Members of the University community are urged to be vigilant and report any unusual circumstances and/or suspicious activities/persons.
The poster version of this message suitable for posting on bulletin boards in your area will be available in PDF or HTML versions at: http://www.jmu.edu/pubsafety/IncidentListings.shtml. Be careful to reconcile the case number and date on the poster version selected with that found at the head of this message.
Thank You and Stay Safe!
Dar, at that time the friends weren’t with her.But I would think Textee would know,right?
wpgmous, Blink, if this was Morgan, then why would she be reporting her purse stolen at the same time she was reportedly seen HH. Wouldn’t you stick around to talk to Security? Is the HH thing a ruse? Or did JPJ say this wasn’t her and perhaps a secruity person reported her HH?
Very intriguing guys….
I have never once believed the HH story, or the bridge sighting.
B
RE: 1010 comment by Dar
AND it would support early reports from the UVA Police that the FOUND purse was not relevant to the case….(they knew it had been reported as stolen the night before). However, if it was stolen, then why weren’t the contents stolen? MMM….maybe the necklace was inside the purse, and police have stated the necklace is missing. (I always thought that was odd, because the necklace should be missing if Morgan was wearing it.)
#985
I didn’t come anything near that. I usually run with (if applicable) ATTC (about to touch cloth)
You know, just thought of something.
There were plenty of LE outside JPJ.
There were multiple arrests for drinking.
IF Morgan had been visibly drinking (especially beer), it would have been noticed by a LE person if she reported a purse theft in person. And she would have been arrested for underage except she had no purse to provide ID. And she would have been arrested regardless of age if she was intoxicated, etc. Or at least she should have. So I wouldn’t think she would risk getting into trouble. Unless, perhaps she knew the on-site LE person and was given a pass, maybe even advised to go get a coffee somewhere away from the “arresting” eyes of other LE.
Wait, what if, while still in possession of her purse she was somehow singled out to produce ID by someone, and knowing she could get into trouble for underage drinking, left the situation or fled the situation.
And.. And … then what.
Hmm. Need to think some more.
Dar,
Yeah, something is weird with the purse, isn’t it.
Mouse: I have gone to your link, and interesting there is nothing like what you posted. I wonder if it has been removed? The following is all I find listed:
FELONY ELUDING – Jefferson Park Ave. 200801235/47
Reported eluding motorcycle
RPT: 0115 10-17-08 OCC: 0105 10-17-08 to 0109 10-17-08
CASE STATUS: Cleared exceptional
ASSIST AGENCY – UVA Hospital 200801236/37
Paper service for Page County Sheriffs Office
RPT: 0927 10-17-08 OCC: 0927 10-17-08
CASE STATUS: Transferred
NO REPORT TAKEN 200801237
LIQUOR LAW VIOLATION – Seymour Rd. 200801238/6
Arrest made
RPT: 2150 10-17-08 OCC: 2150 10-17-08
CASE STATUS: Cleared by arrest
DRUNK IN PUBLIC – John Paul Jones Arena 200801239/42
Arrest made
RPT: 2148 10-17-08 OCC: 2148 10-17-08
CASE STATUS: Cleared by arrest
Why would it not be listed now? I am very curious about that! But there was one arrest made at JPJA for drinking, or drunk in public at 9:48…Timeline is right…
wrong year anj-
You have to search on 2010 on that site to get 2009, NO IDEA why.
B
it seems to me that enquier and tarheelplaya and sgm could be one in the same
NO. No chance.
B
mosaic (re: #1002)
Good find in coming across the details of her previously unknown accessories. I submit that the necklace was so unique and striking – and with hair down, earrings are often covered; bracelets and rings are usually not memorable/visible at first glance – that LE used it at first as a way to vet witnesses, ensuring that they saw saw MH and not a blonde doppelganger in a black mini and boots. It stands to reason, and it explains the delay in releasing the info pertaining to it. Between LE and the Harringtons, it has been unequivocally stated that she was wearing it that night, and I don’t think it’s been found (jmo). I do fear where it will eventually be found, though…
Also, I’ll chime in with Momof3 that Granny was discredited by LE (and we know this because she was subsequently discredited by The HooK and other news sources).
Besides, as suz noted, old people may be restricted in where they can park at the JPJ entertainment/sports complex during Saturday night events, unless they have a special “Temporary Fun” permit.
# Comment by dew — January 14, 2010 @ 7:28 pm
I know I am late to the SGM “party” but since he was mentioned again, I wanted to say that I am suspicious of the fact he seemed to almost immediately know Erin Cole’s name. It was not mentioned on the Clementine link. So if he doesn’t know them then how did he know who to contact to clear his name? And contacting SS at the same time?
Also I thought the picture with the shrink wrap was actually meant to be “mocking”. As the mother of four boys between 14 and 29, mocking is a given. A kind of I’m saying I made you think it is not me but look at me here. Think of it as a catch me if you can picture. If I am correct, he is more intelligent and more devious than has been acknowledged. I actually found it disturbing.
And I am not convinced it is not him in the original picture.
Lastly, I think it is interesting that SGM actually fits Enquirer’s description (an ex-con with a hang of a lot of issues, especially temper related issues…..) very well.
Dew, ITA with all you wrote. Furthermore, I’m not convinced it was shrink wrap in the photo SGM had for a very short time as his FB profile photo. The “window” it covered was quite low on the wall IMO. I did copy that photo. Does anyone know how I can enlarge it without distorting the pixels too much?
“I have never once believed the HH story, or the bridge sighting.
B”
Me neither.
Please just squash this right away if it’s already been chewed up and spit out. I don’t want to further derail the conversation. Way back in the beginning of this, Blink reported that Morgan and friends stopped in Crozet to pick up Amy Snead and her boyfriend. (I know this has since been corrected to reflect that it was Sarah Snead, another friend’s boyfriend and the location was Blacksburg.) At the time, we were under the impression that the car was dropped off and left in Crozet. (I think Blink was given an address) Did anything ever come from this address and/or the who that gave this information? Is this where they partied? How is this address and the source of the info related if at all?
Blink, have you changed your original profile? I know you wanted to let it mellow for awhile. While it seems that we had come full circle (somewhere up thread, I believe), we are now, for lack of a better term, in the parking lot doing doughnuts. I think we have to go back to the beginning yet again, leaving out the minor details so that the big picture can come to light. (Note to self included!)
And one more question, but I’m having a hard time phrasing it. There is speculation that MH’s disappearance/abduction is bigger than what we have been led to believe (not misled). For those who can pull from experience, at what point does LE come out and warn the community that they need to be careful? Would they ignore the need for heightened awareness within the community and if so, why? Again, having trouble getting this out clearly and I’m sure the answer seems obvious. I have kids running wild through the house w/ light sabers and I can’t get my thoughts out. TIA
I have to say, my original profile in this case, sans any new evidence has never changed.
Bottom line: Le DOES NOT KNOW how she got outside. There is no security statement from anyone saying she was asked to leave or escorted out.
I say if nobody can say how she got there, it was voluntary, why? I do not leave the time of my life scenario to stand outside in the bitter cold and rain, you?
B
ONCE I HEARD THAT S.G.M IS SO GANGSTA,,that a dude was gettin ready to bite into a hot dog and s.g.m. took off Runnin and snatched th hotdog right outa th dudes hand,,YEA,I KNOW ,Gangsta.then just disapeared into th crowd of people on th beach,,it was crAZY
For J2k- this is the tamest one.
B
Mosiac, All:
Thanks for posting the CUE Link. After I read the article, I came away thinking along the same lines of Mosiac. Why didn’t LE include the other jewlery ie rings, earrings (Which I think are important) and the rings, and bracelet.
This brings up several questions in my mind, and I would like to present them to you:
I believe that LE has has probably (1) lead strong horse theory, and probably 2 or 3 reserve theories they are working in conjunction with each other. In favoring the the lead strong horse theory, they have quickly discounted many other sightings, and other puported evidence brought forth (at least publicly), so it would fit into that theory.
It is possible that they didn’t mention the earrings and rings to vet out witnesses.
They clearly had dismissed granny’s theory, and also they have dismissed the BB quickly as well.
Which brings me to the question: Do you guys think that they are working together with CUE on this most recent change, because to me it would seem like a conflict if CUE is releaseing information that the VSP had not, or does not want released to the public? LE also never mentioned birth mark, and CUE did in their article. This is extremely important information. Does rescue and search have to get permission from LE to release this info, or is the Harringtons pushing the wheel on this? Still teamwork?
Also, perhaps I’m reading into this, but they mentioned a “bracelet” as well. Could this be a bracelet that JP arena provided so she was identified as legal to drink at the concert? Or is the bracelet put on to identify underage young adults? I’m unclear on that, and the process of alcohol distribution.
Or, perhaps it was a legit jewelry piece that she indeed wore to the concert.
***Note, One could surmize that if she did have the bracelet on, which would have identify Morgan that she was of legal age, (she probably did have a fake ID, )and if that were the case JP would probably be guilty of serving alcohol to a minor during the concert. Thus having some probable culpabilty and contribution in the dissppearance of Morgan since they publicly announced her impairment at the concert.
Again, I am not sure about the process/policies of the arena and the serving alcohol.
Still, Morgan is missing, and perhaps I am focusing on details that do not matter, but it seems with this CUE becoming involved, it seems to have taken on a little more muscle with this new detailed information that was released.
Momof3 – re: “… She has not stopped posting, by the way. She just posted on this thread.”
Huh. Where? …
Oh. MY.
Hold the phone!
… Is OYE… is OYE also ENQURER?!?*
bob-dog – re: Something I learned today
There is sports paraphernalia in the form of jewelry. I did not know that.
B – re: The [takes a deep breath] Stolen Purse
Have you gotten your hands on the police report yet? If not, I may be able to help you with that…
dew – re: SGM, said,
“… If I am correct, he is more intelligent and more devious than has been acknowledged. I actually found it disturbing.”
I do not know if his (Pickles’) ignorance is just an incredibly convincing ruse; but I do know that it is *much* more challenging to craft “Pickles Speak” than it is to write grammatically correct prose.
(Yall no JtodaK luvva chalnge, doe!”)
*[kidding]
J2K, I have not, not for lack of trying, you are welcome to take a crack at it of course, much appreciated.
Let me be clear.
Pickles is as Pickles does.
or Paves, as it were.
B
I have been lurking and reading but not posting. Why go over the same old things over and over. So I decided if I could come up with something interesting..I would post. This caught my eye and piqued my interest.
PMI post #943 “a crazed lunatic wandering in Charlottesville”
Actually in this world we are living in, what city doesn’t have the above? Personally I think fate and chance play a role in us meeting up with them.
Morgan wasn’t so lucky. She met up with some crazed lunatic that night of October 17, 2009.
For the life of me I can’t believe we are almost three months into Morgans disappearance and we still know..nothing. Really nothing.
We had a few “suspects” come up and we pretty much turned them inside and out. They faded away.
I have felt from the beginning that the “wall of Silence” that LE put up from the get go is what is keeping us from finding who took Morgan.
I think a lot of clues and real sightings of Morgan that night have been lost with the time that has lapst.
I think the only way we will find out what happened to Morgan is if the person responsible slips. The odds of that happening..what do you think?
reeces pieces – (re: #1020)
I. Cannot. BeLIEVE someone beat me to that joke! Can’t believe it.
Also Blink, why would LE state then that the purse and its contents were not important, but later state she MAY have dropped her necklace? WTH I so wish this was as easy as watching an episode of Columbo. I’d have it all figured out then.
My prayers go out to the Harrington’s. My God, what must they be thinking about all of these contradictions??…..
B, anjeleyz (re: #1019/”wrong year anj-
You have to search on 2010 on that site to get 2009, NO IDEA why.”~B)
Now WHY would UVA Police admin not correct an easily fixable erroneous link, when the flub is making it much more difficult for taxpayers to access public records of UVA-based police/incident reports?
Why indeed.
Thanks for the whiplash, it was not like that in November, that is new.
B
Geez. Can’t get past the purse either. I believe it was Jen that stated the rules of JPJ arena not allowing large bags inside. So, Morgan leaves her purse in the car. I can see this, cash, cell phone, camera in hand. Travel light. Would she have carried this stuff on her? I absolutely hate to carry a bag into a concert and have to keep up with it. I would stick everything in pockets if at all possible… assuming she could do this with her skirt.
When she is outside and can’t get back in, she goes to her car. Does she report her purse missing because it really has been stolen or did she think this might be a way to get into her car? IDK but the timeline fits with when the purse was last seen and when it was reported missing and when Morgan was outside the arena and around the last time she was seen. Whew.
I have nothing to back it up with. Just doesn’t sit well. We are assuming LE has not released everything with good cause and I have a hinky feeling the “stolen purse” is Morgan’s. Missing necklace related to this also.
I will resort to reading and learning from the wonderful investigative minds here once again.
Oh, but one more thing, for all the college basketball fans…… I have to chime in here…………GO CATS!!!!!
comment by RUMom:
“AND it would support early reports from the UVA Police that the FOUND purse was not relevant to the case….(they knew it had been reported as stolen the night before). However, if it was stolen, then why weren’t the contents stolen? MMM….maybe the necklace was inside the purse, and police have stated the necklace is missing. (I always thought that was odd, because the necklace should be missing if Morgan was wearing it.)”
RUMom,
The statement was made early on wasn’t it? – - perhaps the incident report hadn’t been filed yet or a connection wasn’t made (this is all just speculating that it was Morgan’s purse that The Park report was based on, of course).
Regardless, I have to say that I so disagreed with that statement.
IMO, anything found belonging to a missing person is relevant.
Mind-boggling to me to hear something like that from LE – - unless it was strategic – - meaning the purse was extremely relevant. Again, hmmm.
Blink, haven’t you subtly tried to throw out there that Morgan may have called in the purse report to try to get into her car? And that in trying to do that, she may have met the “officer” in the area of the RV lot?
Or is it just me?
Blink, >>> You stated, “I have never once believed the HH story, or the bridge sighting.” <<<
***What would be a reason for LE saying she was last seen on the bridge? Was the sighting deliberately false by the witness or by LE?***
LE stated the dogs picked up her scent last on the bridge.
First off, I do not believe LE would deliberately put out false sightings to progress an investigation. Although I am aware first-hand it has happened in other cases, it is not this overt.
Where have you seen LE confirm her scent was picked up on the bridge?
I believe they were told this information by witnesses they had no reason to question the credibility of, and/or they were told this by witnesses explaining why she was in their vehicle. In that instance, it would make it believable to some. Putting it out would perhaps be a way they saw as possibly generating more leads.
B
Re: #1014 Comment by Momof3
Why wouldn’t the friends be with Morgan if the:
Occurred between 1738 (5:38pm) and 1755 (5:55pm)
which coincides with the alleged 6pm arrival time of the group at JPJ
**Unless Morgans purse arrived in 1 car and Morgan in another? She was suppose to be with her friends inside JPJ at least until 8:20, Right? If her purse had been stolen she would have already reported it by time she was in the arena with her friends**
RE: #1015 Comment by RUMom
i wonder too about the necklace…she had on alot of jewelry, why just that necklace? The only thing I can think is maybe she took it off and put it in the purse (per se the friends) so LE would know Morgan did not have it on and they would know it was not found with her purse????
I have never believed the HH or bridge either Blink. Just does not add up that no one saw anything in that area on a night of a very busy concert.
RE:1018 Comment by wpgmouse
Yeah something is smelling real fishy…(sorry Fish, no offense…lol)But like I said up thread….if this is indeed Morgans purse and she reported it stolen, the reports of her dropping her purse all over the place, would not be accurate!! She would not have had her purse on her the whole time she was at the arena.
smythe – re:Chilling post (#1014) Bears repeating. (annotated version, with commentary)
“My daughter just received this campus alert at JMU
Off-Campus Incident of Abduction and Forcible Rape – HPD CFS # 2010-003065
TIMELY NOTIFICATION BULLETIN
Possible Threat to the Community
“Your Right to Know”
January 14, 2010
OFFENSE: Off-Campus Abduction and Forcible Rap
…
“The Harrisonburg Police Department encourages the community to be vigilant of your surroundings and to always travel with a friend, especially at night. It is recommended to never talk to strangers or approach a stranger’s vehicle. While walking or running, do not wear any headphones or talk on a cell phone as this is easily distracting. Please practice safe habits at your residence as well by locking all doors and windows.
This is a very serious crime and the Harrisonburg Police Department is asking for the public to call Crime Solvers at 574-5050 with any additional information.
The case is still being actively investigated by law enforcement. Members of the University community are urged to be vigilant and report any unusual circumstances and/or suspicious activities/persons.”
…
Now, of course these situations are different because the victim lived to tell the tale and told it to the police; but where were the similar warnings to the Cville community if LE truly believes a lone female was lured into a car and abducted at 9:30 on a Saturday night right on campus?
Is it because without a body it cannot be proven a crime was committed? I guess so. Well, that’s how they get around the JC Act* anyway. One would think, however, that if LE truly believes MH was abducted and is dead/something happened to her “against her will” – and it happened on/next to the UVA campus, that they would be obligated to issue such an advisory/warning across campus and to staff.
*If some of you don’t know what the Jean Clery Act is:
The “Jeanne Clery Act” is named in memory of 19-year-old Lehigh University freshman Jeanne Ann Clery, who was raped and murdered while asleep in her residence hall room on April 5, 1986.
Jeanne’s parents discovered that students hadn’t been told about 38 violent crimes on the Lehigh campus in the three years before her murder. They joined with other campus crime victims and persuaded Congress to enact this law, which was originally known as the “Crime Awareness and Campus Security Act of 1990.” (Worth Googling and reading the actual Act)
Enquirer for the love of God, man, do tell!
smythe, et al – I meant her post #1013.
Also, in regard to that post:
Sounds like it was a gang initiation, imo.
Re: Comment by dew — January 14, 2010 @ 7:28 pm
I agree with you 100%. SGM does fit the description of ex-con with anger issues. As for the picture with Morgan, Erin and the other 2 guys he has his head tilted back and that can change the shape of his ears, because you are seeing them at a different angle. JMO.
@dew, 1009, I’m with you 100% on the photo, 80% on the rest of it. I have not let that go, esp not since Blink says he’s been trying to post derogatory comments about women. (Blink I was not surprised and that’s why I asked. Appears he could only play nice for a little while, and I want to make that clear for the many who are giving him huge benefit of the doubt–you all are kinder than I, BTW.)
I am trying to not feel rattled by the reports out of Salem and Harrisonburg, which do not seem related to each other, and probably not to Morgan. Blink, your take? Am sure timing is coincidental, but almost feels like a retort to DH’s saying C’ville/Albemarle is unsafe.
Nothing to add re: purse, but re: necklace: If the necklace was heavy, Morgan might’ve taken it off after a while (I have been known to do same, as I have a heavy necklace that makes my neck ache). Might’ve put it in her bag. Friends maybe know this? So for Granny, whom I tend to believe, the earrings may have flashed but the necklace was not on at that point.
Dag Blink, I knew you never believed the HH story, but you don’t even think she was on the bridge? Why don’t we know *exactly* where her car was parked? And *exactly* where the purse was found? Who are they trying to fool after 3 months? Are you thinking she rode out of the RV lot with one of the bball players, or someone else from that lot? I sure wish LE would narrow some of this down. I know We’re not supposed to solve this mystery, but geeze.
You are picking up what I am putting down.
Your asking 2 questions that are easy peazy. Unless, they do not corroborate known information they would like us to believe for whatever reason.
2 inferences she left the campus, equally vague.
momof 3 hit on this weeks ago, what if the scenario is bg AND happenstance?
B
I have to toot my own horn for a few seconds here. My son is a US Marine OOOORRRRAAAAHHHHH…..he has been stationed in Ariz for the last 3 years and is this very minute in North Carolina at his new base. I am leaving at 2 in the morning to head to NC and I know I will be going thru Virginia. This has been weighing on my mind because for years whenever my husband and I have traveled and I see lots of woods, I say “wonder how many dead bodies are in there”. I watch Discovery ID all day long…that is my favorite channel ( I know thats morbid but I like true crime) The last time I said that my husband said “Your’s if you don’t stop saying that” lol…anyways I will be going thru Virginia and I will be thinking this and praying with all my heart its just another time I am goofing off and saying that. My prayers and thoughts will be with the Harringtons more so knowing I am so close to where they and Morgan are.
How kind. And will you thank your boy for his service from us?
B
I remembered reading that *some* searchers were told that Morgan was wearing a lot of jewelry. I went back to a Roanoke Times report of the Nov. 7 search and found this:
“‘Remember, she was wearing a lot of jewelry necklaces and rings,’ Shuckerow called out.”
Shuckerow was one of the search team leaders.
http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/225543
Seems like different searchers were told different things to look for. I can’t find it now, but one woman said her husband’s search team was told to look for a red camera. Others said the camera was never mentioned to them….
Hey, it seems that the alcohol related incidences aren’t the only things that have been altered. I went back thru the threads trying to find the old printouts and came across this-
What is going on?
# Comment by Rae — December 5, 2009 @ 9:31 pm
There are a couple of weird things I have noticed about this case, not sure about the relevancy. On the facebook page Please help with finding Morgan Dana Harrington. Please., p. 76, a person posted that they saw her hitchhiking:(http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=161409341318#/wall.php?id=161409341318&page=75&hash=158d0dacce75c56cdeed58454e648a1f). You would think this would have been a big deal from the beginnign if it was known right away?
Maggie Voth (UVA) wrote
at 6:16pm on October 19th, 2009
I saw her at 930 too, she was on the bridge on alderman trying to hitchhike and was alone.
There was another reference online to “hitching” early on, before LE announced that she may have been hitchhiking.(http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/40480440.html?page=2#comments)
Re: Question
h0tfuss
2009-10-27 12:28 am UTC (link)
She was kicked out of the venue before the concert even started. In her position, I would feel really bad asking a friend to waste the money spent and miss the concert to drive me home (or at least keep me company outside) and then wait for everyone else to come out so we could all drive home together. It’s a situation of lots of people in different situations but only one car to get everyone home.
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Re: Question
ao_kiddo
2009-10-27 12:30 am UTC (link)
Which I could understand too, but personally, my choice would have been to wait outside by myself. I wouldn’t want to waste anyone else’s time bc I would feel bad, but I wouldn’t try to hitch a ride home. IDK, IDK…
The other thing I noticed is that on the facebook page Please help with finding Morgan Dana Harrington. Please.
(with Sarah Snead and Joshua Mason as moderators) there was a lot of activity from Sarah encouraging people to contact LE with sightings, expressions of concern, etc., up until about page 50 when the information about the grandmmother’s sighting came out. Then Sarah stopped commenting. I wonder if they didn’t know what happened until the grandmother came forward, then based on that description things became clear about who was behind this, and that is when LE told the friends not to talk. It seems like the grandmother’s information coming out was a turning point if you look back at reactions from the beginning.
The other things that are confusing are the “suspended” police report about the stolen purse, I believe it was? And on the findmorgan.com site, someone posted about records of EMT calls on the night of the concert. Then they went back to post the link and saw that some of the records had been removed.
Don’t know what to make of any of this but wonder if someone else does.
Thanks,
Rae
IF the stolen purse report was related to Morgan: What if someone else called in the report? That someone would have to know what time MH arrived at the concert. Someone could have grabbed Morgan, dumped the purse or realized that she left it behind in the struggle and then called it in as stolen.To buy some time when it was found the next day? Not sure that I buy that the stolen purse is related to the case, but speculating.
I’m reading backwards. Redly, no I had never heard of Misty Mountain being a party spot, that’s why I would have given the girls an A for finding it. Especially since they’re from out of town. We didn’t used to do this, partly because when I was growing up the drinking age was 18 and we didn’t have to get too creative, but now the kids all rent hotel rooms for their pre and after parties. This starts with Prom, and I’m sure is perfected by the time they’re in college. When my oldest went to her Sr. prom they had a huge dinner party before hand, then camped in a friend’s yard afterward. Honestly, as far as I know there was no drinking…I was there taking pictures. At my Sr. prom we were mixing drinks. But maybe this group really did rent a hotel room somewhere near JPJ. I would hope LE at has least this information…there is the Econolodge a stone’s throw away, as OYE, whoever she is, said. And the Cavalier Inn. Then as you go out Rt. 29 (heading north) there are a lot more choices.
Mouse…I am so surprised Morgan wasn’t arrested at the arena if she was as messed up as has partially been reported. They are set up for these arrests at UVa games…it’s almost entertainment for us old folks. I don’t know about concerts, but I’d think they wouldn’t want someone who’s a walking liability to even enter the arena. What’s the real story here?
B – said:
“I have never once believed the HH story, or the bridge sighting.”~B
(Ever the difficult one, aren’t you? Love it.)
LE attributes these accounts – that they’re seemingly confident in – to *multiple* witnesses. …What do you make of that, B?
“Investigative Reasons”
lol. Yes J2K, I guess so.
*grab the goblet* I am going GOF on you again:
It is because there are no satellites in those accounts. Everything I needed to hear and know, is with Lt. Rader’s first conference. The first accounts, the freshest, are by far the most accurate.
What was stated, what was witheld? What were the Harrington’s saying vs. what they are saying now?
She has a spilled bag, spilled contents, recovered in the vicinity where she is last seen.
Possibility she dropped her necklace. WHAT? More like, they know where it ended up and want to give someone the out to return it. As in, I found it, therefore it was not stolen.
Missing is camera, and cell battery. What does that tell me?
I have the power to erase this evening. Watch me.
Question:
Why have there been numerous reports stating Morgan called friends inside AND numerous reports friends called Morgan?
Do they not have the cell records for Morgan? Or if they do,is the phone call not on them? Why are they certain she was texting with someone, but not certain who made the aforementioned phone call?
Also, why ask if any one let Morgan use their phone?
And I seem to remember Mr. Harrington was asked in an interview if there was any purchases made after she left the arena on her debit card and he slowly replied, I can not say at this time?
deeJay 2 da Kay,
yo yo, step off, you philly foo,
Poe ain’t yo ho no mo!
gonna make me call da po po
den you’ll know know
ya gots ta go go
Word.