Morgan Harrington Case: An Appeal To * You Know Who*
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Charlottesville, VA–The disappearance of Morgan Harrington, missing since October 17, 2009 is exhibiting the potential to reach a temperature that is currenlty encompassing the Northeast: VERY COLD.
Through the thousands of posts at blinkoncrime.com and numerous articles covering Morgan, it is clear that frustration in the lack of lead generation and ambiguous statements from the Virginia State Police are causing some to lack conviction Morgan will be found.
In a recent press conference by VSP, LE provided NO NEW information or progress regarding Morgan’s case. In a shift of posture by the Harrington family, Dr. Harrington has begun participating in online chat and sponsored an additional facebook site to help the efforts to find his daughter.
In fact, for the first time in 2.5 months, we know what kind of camera Morgan had with her the evening of the Metallica concert from his research.
In contrast, we have viewed footage and photos of her dear friends that have clearly moved on without the knowledge of their friends plight.
Girls will be girls you say? Before one person comes on here to tell me I am being too critical of these young women you should know that due to a fortunate Facebook update, describing these girls as Morgan’s friends is entirely generous.
Furthermore, if you happen to be one of the parents that has provided booze for underage minors captured on digital for all to see you may wish to take a peek at what is on your daughter’s social sites.
Have you thought about what it would be like to be Gil or Dan while your linin’ it up and throwin’ em back WITH your kids?
Fortunately, this is not the focus today. I do not feel Morgan’s friends did anything to directly cause her fate. They are more “ME” than frienemy, that is evident.
Gil Harrington, posting on the families site findmorgan.com, wrote one of the most eloquent and courageous posts from the Mother of a missing child I have ever read.
The snowfall is beautiful but still disturbing – melancholy. Wonder if Morgan is cold – is snow falling on her face – or is her face covered by leaves in a shallow grave being hidden by the snow. I glance out the window and see the crimson blaze of a cardinal at the bird feeder – my heart leaps for a second at the beauty – then I think its feathers look like blood in the snow. Is that what Morgan’s blood looks like in the snow? See how the pitfalls are everywhere – even at the bird feeder.
In a somewhat angst-ridden moment, a poster on blinkoncrime.com suggested any and all witnesses in this case should be subject to repeated Barry Manilow songs until they confess.
It jogged a memory for me that reminded me that I am proudly my Father’s daughter. Morgan is Dan Harrington’s daughter.
Maybe someone, somewhere, has just not approached that perspective.
In response to the MAN-i-low dis-
Blink prefacing below to say: yes, off topic, and yes, I am on cold meds, but y’all went after the “MAN ilow”. < ?xml:namespace prefix ="" o />
Barry holds a special place in the heart of my family. When I was a kid I used to play dress up with my Mom’s clothes. If a pair of her way-too-big-for-me heels was “done”, she would let me cut off the ankle straps and dance around in them as slides.
One afternoon, when I should have been doing my homework, I was blaring Copa Cabana in my Parents study dressed like a thriftshop showgirl and when ” Who could ask for more…at the Copa” part came on, I kicked like a 12 year old Rockette and launched my “slide/RPG” into the ceiling.
There it stayed.
I threw everything I could find at that shoe to dislodge it. Nothing.
Except for the new marks on the scalloped ceiling.
Later, when unbeknownst to me, my Dad was reading his 12 daily newspapers in the study, I thought I might try another idea.
I jumped as hard as I could at the spot upstairs above where the slutslipper was lodged.
It worked on the 3rd try.
How do I know?
I heard a “S o n o f a …..” , then something that sounded like a combination of my first and middle names with a swear word interjected that was rising in tone and volume, and now coming my way.
As I hit the hallway to head to the other direction or squeeze myself unnaturally under something, there He was
My Dad, evidence in hand, smiling wryly form ear to ear.
“Yours I presume, young lady,” his forearm outstretched gently with the nail to my coffin in his palm.
I responded .. “What makes you say that?
Could be ketchup or mustards..”
(Lame editors note: do NOT ask, my sisters and I had bathing suits that matched when we were little that were red, yellow and white, respectively, it stuck to this day, I was Mayo)
He replied .. ” Because I know, this weekend, when you fish out your overalls and help me fix the ceiling before your Mother notices, you would rather do that than whatever she comes up with so we can be all done here. The End. ( Blink dad making the wipe hands clean gesture)
She has been talking about repainting the Family room for months, I would LOVE some help with that…”
“Yes Sir.” I muttered with a matching grimace.
“Can I have it back?” I asked.
“I would say your dancing days are on hold, dear daughter, for the foreseeable future, as are your TV privliges.”
“Anything else? ” I asked.
“Why yes, there is. If you choose to dance through the house with wreckless abandon, next time, do it when your homework is finished and in your tennis shoes. And can you please try to be more like your Mother and less like me?”
“Doubtfull Deets, doubtful.”
With that carefully measured tween rhetort I skipped down the hall, crisis averted and I am still Dad’s fave.
I can live with the painting. Wonder if I can pick the color??
I chose to share this very personal exchange with my Daddy because it dawned on me that maybe someone that reads this does not understand what Morgan’ s Father (and family, but this reference is strictly male) needs from them.
He was her protector. He is her ceiling fixer.
You have to give him back what you took so he can fix it for her and their family.
He does not care who you are or what you may have done.
You can do this for them now. Have faith that anything can be fixed. Anything.
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Josie, I am reading from the bottom up and just saw your post…
As you can tell from my last post, I agree WTH is important!
redly,
Thank you for your response you wrote:
“I wonder if part of her wanderings after leaving the arena was simply looking in the likely parking lots for her car?
On the purse issue — it does not make sense to me that it was stolen before the concert (or that she left it in the car) as her phone was found with it (right?) and she was using it after leaving the arena. I suppose the thief could have been pretending to be her (though that seems unlikely but possible) but the substance of the call/texts would probably clear that up for LE.”
You got me to thinking…. If Morgan went into the arena without her purse, as speculated last night, what if her wandering thru lots was not only looking for her car, but just suppose for her purse also? What if Dave’s car or Dee’s car actually held Morgan’s purse? What if the reported purse stolen was a misunderstanding,it was in another car,(Dave’s or Dee’s) and Morgan found it and that would mean her purse and she were reunited and the call was suspended?…..
Does Dave Gardener know Morgan.Why is it that these 2 groups of young people that parked next to each other have ties to each other that go back to before the concert.
If that is incorrect please set me straight.TIA,R
I think Dave Gardener knew Dan — the designated driver. I may be wrong but think I have seen that confirmed on here.
Snipped from Momof3:
“Dee S statement that they called Dan S. to meet up with their crew, states that “They lost their friend (Morgan) and that they did not know what happened to her…” Also tells me at the time that conversation had taken place, at least Dan was not worried, and since he was holding her keys, one might think they expected to meet her outside, or the implication was they had again tried to get a hold of her. This is supported by Amanda Melvin’s early comments that they got outside and her car was in the lot. This has also bugged me. If they are so positive she had no access, why was that a surprise?”
“Couple that with Lt. Rader’s adamance that there were no plans for them to meet up later while her dang car was still there-”
*** What if Morgan had her separate plans from the friends, such to meet up with a date, while the friends did something else after the concert. Maybe they were going to two separate after concert activities and planned to meet the following morning? If Morgan was on her way to eventually get with her date, then the friends would not miss her right away….Not until her date verified whether or not he met with her that night.
*** That would also account for Radar’s saying there were no plans to meet later —- meaning that night.
*** What about an off duty security helping Morgan around 9:30ish?
Momof3 – re:
“…Here’s another account of Dave’s, keep in mind Dave is Dee’s friend and Dan’s, the DD friend too: …”
When/where was it dfetermined they were all friends?
Okay — I am ATWMP not only over a lot of the very clever and downright funny comments (back to doing doughnuts in the parking lot) — but also because I can’t stop reading — it’s like Lay’s Potato Chips — betcha can’t read just one —
but in reading a byte from J2K (and btw, for me it’s beginning to be kinda like French, I can’t read it, but can’t speak it or decipher it when spoken — but I’m actually starting to understand SGM-speak) —
But again >>Besides, as suz noted, old people may be restricted in where they can park at the JPJ entertainment/sports complex during Saturday night events, unless they have a special “Temporary Fun” permit. <<<
Or unless she may have a handicapped parking license plate or placard you hang over your RV mirror ?????
Police report dates are corrected on the site – just checked & October 2009 can be found by going to 2009, then October.
gee, I hate to jump in w/ another “what if” party — but I just can’t help myself — IJCHM : )
“what if..” the person who called in the stolen purse was LE or someone posing as LE who has something to do w/ Morgan’s disappearance –
as in … she’s outside, she’s impaired, she’s dropping her purse everywhere — she sees this person — who could be female — either dressed up as LE or similar to security — Morgan has dropped her purse and thinks it’s stolen, reports it to this person and things go downhill from there ???
shoot —
also my prayers to the young woman who was assaulted in H-burg — Lord — what the hell is wrong w/ people — seriously — I mean were these two guys just driving around, see a pretty young girl running and decide, hey, we don’t have anything else to do, let’s assault her …
I think she WAS wearing the necklace and that LE just said she could have dropped it, so, it will leave it open for the perp and/or perp’s buds to report having seen it.
Keeping in mind that Morgan was “impaired”
Morgan laid her purse on someone’s car while trying to get her phone to work. It was raining and the phone had gotten wet, so, she took out the battery to wipe it off and laid the phone back in the purse to keep it dry. She began conversing and not paying attention, battery still in hand, became distracted with whomever, while walking with them. Car drives off and purse lands on ground somewhere. Morgan, wearing necklace, and with battery in hand, which she may have then tossed, or perhaps it ended up in the perps car.
gee, I hate to jump in w/ another “what if” party — but I just can’t help myself — IJCHM : )
“what if..” the person who called in the stolen purse was LE or someone posing as LE who has something to do w/ Morgan’s disappearance –
as in … she’s outside, she’s impaired, she’s dropping her purse everywhere — she sees this person — who could be female — either dressed up as LE or similar to security — Morgan has dropped her purse and thinks it’s stolen, reports it to this person and things go downhill from there ???
shoot —
also my prayers to the young woman who was assaulted in H-burg — Lord — what the hell is wrong w/ people — seriously — I mean were these two guys just driving around, see a pretty young girl running and decide, hey, we don’t have anything else to do, let’s assault her …
Is that what happened to Morgan ? One guy friend I was talking to soon after the 17th said he bet it was some perv driving around knowing there’d be wasted women at this type of show and took her and did God only knows what …
You almost just want to build a “safe room” in your house and lock up your kids until they’re 60 !
Skylar and Momof3–
Dee is friends with Dave G. and Dan C.
Dave G. previously attended UVA and his brother (also a Dan?) is presently attending VT.
Dan C. attends JMU.
Skyler, if Morgan stayed through the two opening acts, fell and hurt her chin, then somehow ended up outside, is there time for her to get to the party with Dave G and friends before DG etc. have to head to Metallica? If she never went inside JPJ for the opening acts and went to party with DG and friends instead, wouldn’t she still have her ticket? However, IIRC, there was a report from someone about a blond trying to get into JPJ just before Metallica took the stage; security found a flask in the blond girl’s purse and turned her away. Was this Morgan?
If Dave G and his party really parked next to Morgan and he knows Dan, than he hasn’t been telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Seems like he was protecting Dan from the get-go. Why?
Skyler, so glad you’re back posting and sending you goblets of strength and good wishes!
Comment by ohiomom — Ohio Mom, and everyone, thank you again for your very kind words of support — it really means so much to me —
I have a friend who lives in Ohio — her daughter graduated top of her class in HS and top 10 in college — brilliant young woman, VP of a division of her company; traveled everywhere — her job terminated and she’s been out of work a year — going back to school to get a teaching degree
I pray your daughter finds employment soon, as well — a step she may want to take is vocational training in another field — she can go to school for a year or longer — all expenses paid and earn money while she’s in school — it’s a federal program — that is one of the avenues I’m contemplating — also we are fortunate in that there are several teaching hospitals in this area — my son, thank God, is starting to fire the pistons in his frontal lobe and is going to college to be a respiratory therapist — but he also could have gone thru a program at one of the local hospitals to become an x-ray tech — you get paid while you train — something to look into
sorry for the off-topic, Blink — I really wanted everyone to know your positive thoughts are so appreciated by me !
and a little on-topic — if we’ve — read that “me” — been played by SGM, I’m going to be so PO’d — Blink, what was up w/ the guy with the hotdog comment he made ?? crAZY is right !!
I don’t care what he says — they ARE all connected — and it’s thru that gym and that band Electric Camilion or something like that — Tarheelplaya, who supposedly has an “in” w/ the friends *may* be connected thru the gym and bodybuilding and working out — we know SGM is into body building these days — even referenced some of his “body building” friends — one of Morgan’s friend’s that we’ve discussed used to be an employee of the gym — and a lot of the “gym” friends were at that Electric Camiliion show/party that Morgan is in the picture — so at the very least SGM was “aware” of who Morgan was prior to all of this …
And — the talk about the jewelry takes me back to the post by one of the searchers who “FOUND JEWELRY” and turned it in — the person collecting “evidence” merely glanced at it and deemed it unimportant and threw it away …
Suppose that was Morgan’s jewelry and that fool was just looking specifically for the necklace —
Last one, I swear — since the awful event at VT w/ the shootings — all Va. colleges are in CYA mode — they’ve been directed by the governor to implement an emergency alert system and ensure it works — especially in light of “new revelations” in that case that people who first received the call that shots were fired and there was a problem notified their own family members FIRST before alerting the campus — which I understand, but add a few more zeros to the — and now that poor child missing from Roanoke –
bob-dog,
Yes, Blink verified that Dan C, the driver of Morgan’s car is friends with Dee S. and she rode to the concert with Dave G as well as his brother,and her boyfriend, who is Dave Gardners cousin.
She pulled up with her party and got out of the car and kind of immediately engaged me and my brother and my cousin and my friend who were at the concert,” he told CBS Station WDBJ correspondent Jean Jadhon.
This is STILL verified right,Blink?
Yes, Dan C was the driver both ways , but there is no confirmation Dave Gardner was with Dee et al.
B
Every time I see a “Breaking News” alert from Roanoke–I have to leave BOC and go check the email. I always pray that Morgan Harrington has been found. Not yet. But, they did catch this guy and bring this girl home to her family:
http://www.roanoke.com/news/breaking/233121.html
B – These are just some of my thoughts and they are not very well put together. Please don’t post if you don’t think it adds anything to the pot.
This case is even more confusing than Poe’s Purloined Letter –
B – Your post at 1048 sent me in a direction I previously did not dare to go. I now suspect a certain type of person that I would not have previously thought about, but I can’t nail a motive of why would they take her/do away with her.
B & J2K – What if UVAPD thought MH’s car was not in C’ville because of some prior conversations they (initial contact person) had with Dr. Harrington. If he believed the car was not in C’ville, would he have said as much when making initial contact with UVAPD re his missing daughter? If that is true, then that would mean that UVAPD took him at his word and did not follow up. They just dropped the ball.
Sky – re: post # 1121 – I don’t know about VA, but in LA, charges can be brought by an arrest or by a grand jury indictment. If LE thinks they know who but do not have sufficient evidence for an arrest, I would think they could turn over what they do have to VA’s equivalent to a grand jury and see what they come back with. LA has had a couple of good convictions w/o a body, but in the particular case I’m referring to, there was a large amount of blood evidence to indicate a homicide.
Okay, my thought is, if LE thinks they know the perp, but no body/not enough evidence to make an arrest, do the Harrington’s know who LE suspects? I would think if they did, they would be more like Natalie Holloway’s mom and be up in their face demanding to know what they’ve done to their daughter. And – this is merely speculation on my part – but I would think the Harrington’s have had some contact with Ms. Twitty and Mr. Ramsey to see what to do/not to do in this sad situation.
I’m having trouble believing the MH was combative on the way to the concert. Combative how? Hitting people in the car? Why would they take her drunk, possibly tripping azz into a jammed packed arena where they would have to deal with her? If that behavior exhibited itself before they even got to the venue, why not drop her off somewhere? Why wouldn’t one of them at least have stayed with her and babysat until the concert was over? Why would MH have taken a substance that she probably knew would have her “up” for a considerable amount of time and she had plans to be with her dad the next day. I truly believe she had experimented before and knew the effects of certain hallucinogens. I don’t think she would take a whole hit of X or acid and then go this concert. I can see her doing this if she was camping out and had a few days to trip and recover. Maybe I’m projecting too much into this but I just can’t see doing something like that and then going to a metal concert where its elbow to azzhole with people and loud noise. That screams bad trip.
LE has asked if anyone knows of anyone who attended the concert that may have suddenly changed their normal behavior and or habits. The only thing that we the public know is that all of a sudden we have a BB player that was one of the last witnesses to see MH before she disappeared to be dismissed from the team. Now he may not have had anything to do with MH’s disappearance, but he sure has had his share of bad luck as well.
I’ve always thought that the only way MH would HH would be if she thought getting into a car with a stranger would be a much preferable situation than the one she was currently in. In other words, she was scared of something, trying to get away. I understand wanting to get out of the cold and rain, but I believe she had other options other than to HH.
I’m waiting to see if J2K can get more info on the stolen purse report. If, in fact, it was MH calling that in, I’m headed in a completely different direction than I was before.
Benefit concert for Morgan Harrington on Saturday
WSLS NEWS STAFF
Published: January 15, 2010
Findmorgan.com reports that it will be Saturday night at The Hat Factory in Richmond.
The doors open at 8 p.m. with a candlelight vigil.
Participating bands include: Dangerous New Machine featuring ex-Stereomud, Fozzy, Stuck MoJo members (GA) Memory Fade (VA) Saint Diablo (VA) Whiplash (NJ) At War (VA)
Tickets will be made available the day of the show at the door. $15.00 all ages, all day event. All proceeds will go to the Find Morgan Fund.
The Hat Factory is located at 140 Virginia Street,Richmond, VA 804-788-4281
Skyler, Hi you asked why is this scenario wrong?…
Dave Gardner did not need Morgan or her friends to party with him. He went to the concert with his brother and cousin and Dee S. And he was friends with Dan.
I don’t think he was ignored by everyone but Morgan. Why would his friend (Dan) not talk to him and/ his friend (Dee)? He was being vague for a reason. I don’t think he was the one everyone was ignoring.
“Gardner says Harrington was anxious to get into the arena. “It was clear to us she wanted to get in there and no one else was in as big of a hurry as her and it was frustrating for her,” he said.
Why would he not be in a hurry if he was being ignored?
Who are they all not mentioning…..in every single interview?
If DD (Dan)dropped the girls off, How did Dave coincidentally see Morgan’s car leave “with definitely 3 people inside”? Why did Dee get a phone call from Dan saying we’re missing someone? Wouldn’t she have been parked right next to him? She left in Dave’s car,right?
Dee said she and her group were planning on meeting up with a friend(Dan)to party afterward but she got that call that said “We are actually missing someone”, then she goes on to state they had to change there plans and she went home because she was so tired.
Missing Salem teen, 13, was found with 22-year-old man. Guess he’ll be on the sex offender list for the rest of his life:
http://www.roanoke.com/news/breaking/wb/233121
Amber Alert issued for 2-year-old abducted in Roanoke. $10,000 ransom note left?
http://roanoke.com/news/breaking/wb/233017
J2k- you are so funny! Promising yourself to not chase your tail trying to find a post. I know what that feels like!
Momof3-you always make it a point to address everyone on here. thank you.
Blink – thanks for reiterating profile. Yes, she had to have a very good reason to leave. I still wonder if her “friends” did something mean to he to get her out. Or if one of her security connections promised her something.
rgeo- security is directed to park in Careuther’s Hall [that is not a guess
] http://www.rmcevents.com/wear.shtml
(click on UVA button) Per their staff calendar, staff is sometimes directed to park at The Park http://www.rmcevents.com/Schedules/charloctsched2009.doc – no special instructions for Metallica concert noted per above document – Anyone local able to say how this fits in location wise to the arena?
mosaic/momof3: I have long felt the same way regarding how incredibly “unlucky” Morgan must have been that night. And like Blink said, we are expected to believe a lot more than what you quickly listed. What is this, A Lemony Snicket novel? (I know, bad analogy but I couldn’t help myself) And yes, I guess she could’ve been a victim of both a really bad guy and some dishonest people, but why be dishonest in the first place? (rhetorical, yes?)
I’ll be back to see what has come of (hopefully) the incident report and the flavor du jour…Mr. Gardner. Seems right that he should get a turn.
re: The LE INVESTIGATION
I hate to bring this up again, but I do believe Open Your Eyes was offering something here (and kudos to all sites featuring missing Morgan Harrington, including Perez Hilton):
______________
Comment by OPEN YOUR EYES — December 11, 2009 @ 3:27 pm
from the Perez Hilton Metallica Offers Reward: http://perezhilton.com/?p=73740
Post #99:
nakni11 says
“I’m a VT grad and live near C’ville. It does seem like VT is having its fair share of tragedy in the past couple of years
I really hope Morgan turns up, but to be honest I don’t think it’s very likely that anyone will find her alive.
Oh, and the report about her trying to find a bathroom and finding herself outside the arena was a false report…they’re not disclosing all of the info, for investigative purposes.”
________________
Now how is it the this nakni11 has INVESTIGATIVE INFORMATION.
Is he/she taking part in the LE investigation or is someone from the LE investigation sharing information?
Open Your Eyes has offered this up and I think it warrants serious consideration.
I’m thinking Morgan had too much to drink at JMU and her friends took her keys and wouldn’t let her drive. That’s why Dan was the DD and what she may have been combative about in the car. And because of her state, Dan didn’t give her back the keys when they arrived at the concert.
Comment by roageo — January 15, 2010 @ 3:22 pm
Skylar and Momof3–
Dee is friends with Dave G. and Dan C.
Dave G. previously attended UVA and his brother (also a Dan?) is presently attending VT.
Dan C. attends JMU.
Thank you roageo. I thought I read that Dee is dating the cousin of Dave?Also, she went to the concert with Dave? Dee is the friend that Dave refers to in the sentence below correct?
“She pulled up with her party and got out of the car and kind of immediately engaged me and my brother and my cousin and my friend who were at the concert,” he told CBS Station WDBJ correspondent Jean Jadhon.”
zarpisimo (#1068) re:
“B & J2K – What if UVAPD thought MH’s car was not in C’ville because of some prior conversations they (initial contact person) had with Dr. Harrington. If he believed the car was not in C’ville, would he have said as much when making initial contact with UVAPD re his missing daughter? If that is true, then that would mean that UVAPD took him at his word and did not follow up. They just dropped the ball.”
That would stand to reason, z. But soon after speaking with Dr. H on Sunday, UVA police questioned the friends whom MH was with at the concert. I’d think investigators would have asked for specific details in regard to how/when they got there, where they parked, and what they did. That’s just protocol. I’m really not sure when the car discrepancy surfaced/was possibly perpetuated.
B?
Also, either Momof3 or someone: when and where was the connection made between reporter-friendly currently-NJ-based witness Dave G and the JMU friends MH’s “party” knew? I’m not expressing doubt, but it’s being discussed as fact and I haven’t seen that stated anywhere. Just wondering what I missed…
To answer Redley’s question, I have never heard of Misty Mountain Campground as a party spot. I grew up in Charlottesville, went to UVA, and only left Charlottesville about 3 years ago. I do remember that when I was little, the farm across the street from it was a pick your own strawberry farm, though.
how do you mistakenly cancel an Amber Alert???
I was wondering how the idea of “Misty Mountain” first appeared in this forum. Why was this mentioned? The reason I ask is because in Elkton, there is a Misty Mountain Motel on Rt. 33. If you drive from JMU and take Rt. 33 East, this leads you over the mountain through Stanardsville then straight to Ruckersville. Once in Ruckersville, you would take a right onto Rt. 29, which takes you into Charlottesville. It’s only a 40 minute or so drive. Misty Mountain Motel is at the foot of this mountain pass.
re1170 – Once again…I can’t imagine kids that age going to a concert and deciding to go home to bed afterwards? I would think (especially given the type music) these folks were just getting cranked up.
I’ve been reading JerzE’s comments on findmorgan.com. J seems to be close to MH’s circle of friends and, more often than not, offers unbiased information…although some of it is likely the source of many of the reported discrepancies with this case.
J attended (and I believe recently graduated from) JMU, is a close friend of SS, knows Dan C. and several of his friends, is close to Morgan Nichols, knows some of Morgan’s other friends, and hung out with one of SS’s roommates after everyone left JMU for the concert.
To recap some of J’s postings…
MH acted fine before leaving JMU for the concert, and SS and AM reported she was fine at the concert too.
SS & AM knew something was wrong during the concert when they kept calling MH’s phone but not getting an answer. J doesn’t believe they realized the seriousness of the situation at the time, even after the calls started going straight to VM. J reported the timeline for when the calls went to VM has been provided to LE.
J continues to be adamant that MH called to, and spoke with, SS or AM and not vice versa, although J does admit having talked to SS/AM about the call just one time shortly after MH was reported missing.
SS, AM, and DC stayed around for “awhile” following the concert in case MH didn’t find a ride “home” (J doesn’t know where home was – JMU, VT, Roanoke?) but then headed back to JMU.
When SS and AM still weren’t able to reach MH the next morning, they drove back to C’Ville to look for her. At some point, they called the Harringtons, and the Harringtons called the police (according to what J was told by the friends). J’s exact post was, “As a college student, sometimes you meet someone, go off, have some fun, and come back the next morning. I’m not saying this is what morgan did. But I’m saying it’s not unrealistic for a girl to slip out for a night, come back the next morning and explain stuff then. When they still hadn’t heard from morgan the next day, the drove back down to see if they could find her. They contacted the Harringtons who contacted the police.”
J is certain the friends contacted the Harringtons and not the other way around. J also mentions the friends were asked by the Harringtons not to talk.
On 12/16, J posts the following comments, “Morgan, like any other college girl, has done that sort of thing before. I’ve posted on other threads too… you believe that nothing is going to happen to you. So you meet some nice people, hang out, do your thing, maybe stay the night, and don’t talk to your friends til the next morning. I’m not saying that is what happened. But because it’s happened before, some of her friends believed that was what had happened. The girls had tried to get in touch with her, but couldn’t. So, they stayed at the arena for a while, hoping the she had either gotten a ride, or had wandered off somewhere but would come back at the end of the show. Because they couldn’t get in touch with her, they assumed she either got a ride home, or met someone. It was getting late, so they drove back to jmu ( i believe.. i’m pretty sure they had to drop sarah off).”
In a 1/4 post, J states, “When they called to check up on her, they were unable to get in touch with her. They thought they’d atleast get a text or something. When they heard absolutely nothing, they were concerned and waited around a while thinking maybe she hadn’t gotten home? or there could be a chance of hearing something from her. Morgan didn’t threaten anyone by saying she’d hitchhike.”
Another post by J: “Just saying… if Morgan was intoxicated, probably so were her friends. And if morgan was in the state of mind to say, “hey, don’t worry, I’ll get a ride,” then her friends were probably in the state of mind to say, “o ok great!. It’s just a series of bad decisions on everyone’s part.”
J speculated the reason SS and AM didn’t call the Harringtons right away was because they weren’t 100% sure MH was missing. Apparently the friends tend to go off alone sometimes and MH could have been “at a guys [sic] house.” Had they called the Harringtons and MH turned up after spending the night with someone, Dan and Gil would have been upset for no reason per J.
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Does anyone know who SS’s roommates are?
rita and judi, she’s alive to me, too, until proven otherwise. And Judi, I don’t think you’re reading too much into things–there has been a definite sea change in the H’s statements of late (the difference, as I noted, moving from skeletons and blood, to Morgan coming home and being reintegrated into the family).
#1161 roageo – I agree with this scenario. It provides logical explaination to many of things – the purse, the battery, and the necklace. The BB players would know if she were wearing that necklace and I believe there was a sighting of her around a car with other people.
Also, I believe redly suggested “I wonder if part of her wanderings after leaving the arena was simply looking in the likely parking lots for her car?” I agree with this – it is also a logical explaination for her wandering through the parking lot. Was Morgan supposedly parked in the same parking lot as where the purse was found?
I think the interest in the necklace is due to the BB confirming that she in fact wearing this unique item that she serves as a way to seperate her from other girls dressed similiarly.
This puts some possible “logical” explainations behind some of many mysterious events of the night.
Still to be figured out is the reason she left the arena, if she was meeting anyone and if she was, did actually ever meet up with person or did something else happen first (which the BB players would be key in figuring out). I don’t believe she was HH’ing as I would think that there would be other options available to her (calling Dan if he was not at the concert, try to get her keys from her him if her were in the concert, calling someone she knew, bus, cab, etc. If she got a cab ride to her parents house, where she was going to the next day anyway, I’m sure they would have paid for the cab is she didn’t have any money). But, then you have the dogs picking up her scent on the bridge so that means she would have had to been on the bridge. I don’t know. Unconfirmed rumor of her scent also being picked up behind Wild Wings or whatever, by the railroad tracks. Is this something that got leaked and wasn’t supposed to?
Also, has LE ever officially commented on the Boyd Tavern sighting?
Hey, Mom — computer died this afternoon — arrhhh : )
Dave Gardner was the ex-UVA grad who says he was parked beside Morgan and her group and that when she got out of the car, she is the only one of the Morgan car to speak to him — the others ignored him —
The Richmond bookkeeper said she saw a woman matching Morgan’s description walk in front of her car on massie road with four white males dressed in black — this was around 9 PM — Dee and her 4 guys were definitely inside during LOG and definitely inside during Metallica — so it’s not the four guys w/ Dee — it’s not the BB players, because as far as we know, it was only 3 players and not all were white. So who are these four men dressed in black w/ Morgan — and “how” is Dave G so “positive” it was morgan he saw — as a UVA grad, did he and his group go to a party at one of the campus houses and then walk over to the arena before Metallica and run into Morgan — who could not get back in — and then when the concert was over, he goes back to the car, sees the other riders but Morgan, and poof —
I don’t necessarily think he had anything to do w/ Morgan’s fate, but I think he and his pals may be the “mysterious four” seen walking w/ Morgan : )
But I’ve been wrong before — ha
Man, this would be so much easier to keep everybody apart if at least someone was named George …
Dan C, Dan D, Dee, Dan W, Dave G — and on and on it goes : )
>>>> Skyler, if Morgan stayed through the two opening acts, fell and hurt her chin, then somehow ended up outside, is there time for her to get to the party with Dave G and friends before DG etc. have to head to Metallica?<<<
In my opinion — yes — and even rethinking it — maybe the four men, Dave the ex UVA guy included — just ran into Morgan as they’re walking to the arena and she crossed Massie Rd w/ them — tried to get back inside and that’s when she was turned away —
Times given said that Morgan is out of arena at 8:48 — blonde woman and 4 males in black cross in front of Richmond bookkeeper approximately 9 PM — I know at 9:10 Metallica had not come on stage —
It’s “possible” Dave G & his car of friends didn’t care about seeing Gojira and LOG, but only wanted to see Metallica —
Lord, I don’t know —
At this point, I’m about ready to believe she flew off into the night w/ the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown !
Momof3@6:23pm:
“Dee is the friend that Dave refers to in the sentence below correct?
“She pulled up with her party and got out of the car and kind of immediately engaged me and my brother and my cousin and my friend who were at the concert,” he told CBS Station WDBJ correspondent Jean Jadhon.”
If Dave G is referring to Dee, who would have ridden with him and his cousin, all I can say is “Wow!” Did the look-alike Dee really ride with Dave G and did they all meet up accidently or purposely with Morgan’s group before the concert? Did they caravan in from JMU or Crozet?
I know that walking a maze is supposed to lead to strength and enlightenment, but this one is giving me a severe attack of vertigo.
First and foremost there appears to be another Elizabeth posting. It is not me. Her post is #1148. Just to keep the record straight. Thanks.
TY. I will keep my eye out for that.
B
cvillenative , Hello, thanks for weighing in on Misty Mountain C.ground. localcvillegirl also said this. Do you know if you have to pay to go in?
belleboyd —You wrote:
I was wondering how the idea of “Misty Mountain” first appeared in this forum. Why was this mentioned? The reason I ask is because in Elkton, there is a Misty Mountain Motel on Rt. 33. If you drive from JMU and take Rt. 33 East, this leads you over the mountain through Stanardsville then straight to Ruckersville. Once in Ruckersville, you would take a right onto Rt. 29, which takes you into Charlottesville. It’s only a 40 minute or so drive. Misty Mountain Motel is at the foot of this mountain pass.
Misty Mountain Camp ground originally came up because it is within a 25 mile radius to Charlottesville that would be convenient to the abductor, either for body placement or other.
Then I brought up Led Zeppelins song Misty Mountain Hop because, Morgan Liked Zeppelin and I thought if whomever hurt her,accidentally or other, they would want to place her somewhere special that means something.
After it came out that Morgan was possibly tripping, I brought it back up also because a self-professed Friend of a friend of Morgan, commented at BOC and said students in her area tend to party at a campground in a wooded area.,.,
Anyway,thank you for bringing this info here,. I had no idea there was a motel with this name also. Dee had said that the groups were going to meet up at a hotel and party afterward. Perhaps Morgan was trying to make it out there?
I don’t recall reading that Dan C, the driver for Morgan’s friends, were dropped off at the arena while he parked the car.
I read the interviews stating that Dave Gardner, brother, cousin, and Dee had parked beside of Dan C, SS, AM, and Morgan and had briefly interacted prior to the concert.
If I am incorrect, will someone give me the accurate info and/or link?
Sigh…. I think some of the details of that evening are beginning to become somewhat distorted with bits and pieces continuously being passed around amongst us since then.
When I came in tonight to read and catch up I was a bit suprised that nobody had mentioned Gil going to New York to support Alex, Morgans brother. http://findmorgan.com/ under the family blog.
What was interesting is that she has written two days in a row about her trip to New York. Not her usual timeline.
Alex wasn’t home for Christmas but was home recently and now Gil going and explaining her trip.
So with that in mind I would like to remind everybody that at different times I have felt that Gil was going through some of the signs of grief with her writings. But at a lot of other times I have felt that Gil thought Morgan was very much alive. A mothers wish? Who knows.
I just thought a trip there at this time is a bit unsual. I wondered what others think of it?
Could Gil be searching for Morgan in New York where her brother Alex lives? Just wondering.
Interesting question, roageo.
You said,
“Also tells me at the time that conversation had taken place, at least Dan was not worried, and since he was holding her keys, one might think they expected to meet her outside, or the implication was they had again tried to get a hold of her. This is supported by Amanda Melvin’s early comments that they got outside and her car was in the lot. This has also bugged me. If they are so positive she had no access, why was that a surprise?””
They knew she had no access, therefore the car would be in the lot where Dan left it, Amanda seems to say. Dan was not worried as he had been separated from MH for the entire concert and didn’t know the full story. Why did you think Amanda seemed surprised?
tia.
Hang in there, Skyler! I am newly re-employed after 11 (glorious, as it turns out) months off. Nice to have the bennies and good pay back, but jeez o pete, there’s much to be said for the luxury of having yer whole day unfold before you at your leisure. Being between gigs provides a certain kind of wealth. Make the most of it. You’ll be back in the rat race before you know it.
Blink,
I am haunted by your comment
“Missing is camera, and cell battery. What does that tell me? =
I have the power to erase this evening. Watch me.”
That put the fear of Drew Peterso n in me. Egad. Someone has to have some powerful, sociopathic ego brewing to evoke that sentiment. Well, Mr. SocioEgo, we’ve watched. Eventually we will catch you.
I owe you again. Cheese, biscuits, keys to car…
B
Ra mona looks upset in this photo. I don’t know if it’s been up there for awhile, but it bothers me.
http://www.myspace.com/iamyourruka
Yoshi: What is this, A Lemony Snicket novel?
In the words of J2K, well played, my friend, well played !
oh, geeze — my hinky meter went off big time on this guy and I was asking if anyone had seen him the entire time during the concert — also, he had done security at JPJ at one point — he’s the guy that was on Nancy Grace, too — AND — I think Lizzy put this together — there was a Metallica “friends” page and both Morgan and Sara and WT posted on that page that they were going — it’s up thread near the top, but Lizzy found that connection, I’m sure …
I’m always in awe of the brilliant minds at work here. Every time I think I’ve covered every possible scenario (in my mind at least), I read five more that didn’t even occur to me.
Not much I can contribute that hasn’t been thoroughly dissected but here are some random thoughts:
I agree with J2K on the purse. I even drove through those lots today with my kids in the back questioning my sanity. I just don’t see how it could be related. It’s so surrounded by woods LE would be searching there for weeks if there was a connection. No way we wouldn’t have known.
The Park parking lot is too far from the arena for Morgan to have walked there after she found herself outside assuming she called from there to report it. She could have called UVAPD from outside JPJ but why wait until 9:30 if the purse was stolen at 5?
Or could it be a UVA police officer needed an alibi? Just a crazy thought, I haven’t really worked out in my mind how that would work.
I think the purse incident was probably someone who parked there to run into the Jag school went home, put the car in the garage and didn’t realize her purse was gone until 9:30 so she called it in.
My mind keeps going back to the Basketball players. Do we know who the other two are?
I think drugs are involved and maybe that’s why DJ McChicken’s feathers were ruffled, I don’t think he had anything to do with it but I think he is selling or helping them score.
comment from yoshi:
] http://www.rmcevents.com/wear.shtml
“rgeo- security is directed to park in Careuther’s Hall [that is not a guess
(click on UVA button) Per their staff calendar, staff is sometimes directed to park at The Park http://www.rmcevents.com/Schedules/charloctsched2009.doc – no special instructions for Metallica concert noted per above document – Anyone local able to say how this fits in location wise to the arena?”
“The Park”? Interesting considering that is where the purse theft was reported to have taken place between 5:38 pm and 5:55 pm., and where Dan parked Morgan’s car.
And RMC security staff parks there as well. Well now, I wonder too if
other security hired for the event also parked there. If I recall, specifically for Metallica, security was notched up in terms of experience, presence, etc., with the hiring of off-duty LE and related-type individuals. Outdoor security, again if I recall, was mounted up to secure to some extent a controlled and stable environment.
Interesting about “The Park” though.
J2K,
You wrote:
Also, either Momof3 or someone: when and where was the connection made between reporter-friendly currently-NJ-based witness Dave G and the JMU friends MH’s “party” knew? I’m not expressing doubt, but it’s being discussed as fact and I haven’t seen that stated anywhere. Just wondering what I missed…
Hey, doubts are all I have some days in regards to what may have happened to Morgan. Here is a link, there are more references made. If/when I find them I will post………….
“Spolarics, her boyfriend and three other guys went to the concert and say it was a great crowd. Afterward, they tried to meet up with friends, seated in another part of the arena. Those friends were mutual friends of Spolarics and Morgan Harrington.
“We call and [our friend] is like, ‘We’re actually missing somebody,’ one of the people she was with, and they’re like, ‘We don’t know what happened to her. She said she was getting a ride home, so we guess she’s fine,’ but so we’re like OK, we didn’t think anything of it and they went home,” says Spolarics.”
http://www.whsv.com/news/headlines/66764102.html