Morgan Harrington Murder: Harringtons Debut Morgan Rocks
Charlottesville, VA- Continuing the crusade to memorialize their daughter Morgan and keep the public focused on the dangerous killer(s) still at large, Dan and Gil Harrington will be meeting with media today at 1PM.
The meeting agenda will include the Harrington’s ongoing concerns for womens safety on and off campus, and their fears associated with the fact that there has not been an arrest in their daughters murder to date.
The Harringtons are also expected to announce MORGAN ROCKS.
In response to a hand-painted river rock, lovingly and generously created and delivered to the Copely bridge by blinkoncrime.com contributor Skyler, containing the phrase “Rock On”; The Harringtons have decided to widen the trend.
MORGAN ROCKS
We are starting a “gathering of rocks” at Morgan’s memorial on
Morgan’s Bridge at Copeley Road on the North Grounds of the University of Virginia. When you come to Charlottesville and to the bridge bring a rock and a prayer to add to the collection. Leave both at the bridge!
Morgan, Gil, Alex and I continue to need your support and prayers as we wait for Morgan’s murder(s) to be brought to justice. Your support in raising society’s awareness of the need to change the culture of acceptance of violence against women and in so doing change the laws that allow these crimes to go unpunished.
Skyler’s slate rock was the first. A beautiful painted slate rock with an image of Anchorage Farm, Tibetan prayer flags and an angel rising to the heavens. Morgan, Rock ON!!!
Dan Harrington
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42.lizzy says:
March 24, 2010 at 2:31 am
lee, the blonde at 3:06-3:09 has bare legs and short boots. You can just see that next to the guy’s pant leg
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Lizzy, thanks, I was hoping it was perhaps Morgan since this was a blond, seemed to be by herself at one end of the arena….
ZAMS said it so well. How could there be no video at the entrance or exit or ticket booth? I’ll bet if someone were to rob the ticket booth, they’d have them on video. How could Morgan have been so unfortunate? Was she set up from the git? Mom3.0, you sounded so sincere when you said you saw them kiss and you felt they were so happy to be together. I wish I felt the same way.
Yoshi said:
Surely something was captured at the ticket booths when she tried to re-enter.
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At the VERY least, yes!!!
Bless all of you reviewing all the videos. I have not had a second but will try later.
Also, as I have just been sent a link to photos of a whole gaggle of my friends’ kids at the Taylor Swift JPJ show, to Yoshi and George: much as I resisted “going there,” I am with your line of questions. Starting to believe this is amateur-style CYA and it really chafes me b/c of the amount of money good families and friends donated to build the damn place, trusting it’d be made a secure-as-possible playground for themselves and their kids.
All the photos just sent to me are clear as a bell, taken with just a little point and shoot camera, some possibly with a phone. I can make out faces rows away. Now, playing devil’s advocate per usual, I think it’s fair to assume lights were a bit brighter for a Taylor Swift show than any metal act, but still. I do not believe no images of Morgan exist from inside that arena. If LE truly told the Harringtons that, then shame on them. The least they could do is throw those grieving parents one image of their girl enjoying that show.
Sorry, feeling slightly outraged after seeing, in perfect clarity, faces of folks rows away from these precious little girls enjoying a show at JPJA. Feeling perhaps even more outraged to think JPJ could possibly be being honest and all those girls are in that arena, with today’s technology, and there’s no surveillance in place to protect them.
Are you kidding me? You are going to cite 9/11 for your no-reentry policy and simultaneously tell me you have no clear tape of what happens inside?
Thus the CYA.
justiceformorgan says:
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=64320471&searchid=5f78872c-443d-45f2-828e-c8ff4261fef8l from ConcernedBystander.
Concerned, I tried to view this video and it wouldn’t play for me. Am I doing something wrong?
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It played fine for me, then later I tried it on another computer and it said I needed to upgrade my version of Flash.
Wow, alot to think over in those videos, still going thru them. I have wondered for sometime if she in fact was asked to leave as Yoshi & others,(I think Rose you said exactly what I proposed sometime back), and perhaps it seemed irrelevent to police & others about the arena as the crime occurred outside the arena. But I would disagree, especially if things arent mounting up for them as projected.
Even if they were to say there is some video footage of MH inside the arena, but we do not plan on making that public at this time. I think that might at least spook someone, or cause others to look at their pics more closely. What did it do here? It discouraged further investigation b/c you think its all for naught. ( now I know Fish/MOM & others have spent time), but I mean what would it hurt? I am with Fish on the importace of scoping out the people seen surrounding these blond girls & see if these people reappear etc.
I am willing to review.
Now who do we think cap guy is? DG?
Now I have always been one to give people, companies etc, the benefit of the doubt, initially.. but due to some things that have come to light, I am suspicious of a little CYA as well.
I would like to go back to look at video we discussed not too long ago
during a break, by te stairwell, I think some of us thought that was Morgan. I will post after I check it.
justiceformorgan says:
March 24, 2010 at 3:06 am
I saved ConcernedBystander’s photo (link shown below) and enlarged it in ArcSoft PhotoStudio and all I can see is hair.
One thing I did notice, when I enlarged the photo to approximately three times the original size (to a point where the pixels making up the picture came into view), was that there is absolutely, without a doubt, a solid black pixel in the middle of the hair.
Does anyone know where that photo originated?
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2566/4457329757_1e91324ebb_o.jpg
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That ‘photo’ is only a screen shot I took of the paused video. I don’t know what the black pixel is, but the photo definitely isn’t edited. All I did was crop it and draw a red arrow on it.
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=tbyrd7777#p/u/13/JScSv7ff9hQ
Ok granted this may not be her, but if not, we might be able to eliminate this girl/location/other people. I dont see any gray hat. But if this was her, this could be the trip to the bathroom event, that was social in nature. And who did she talk with during that time. Also, back on the thrasher girl, this seems to be the right area, same big headed guy in the way. I also note, no tights. But, do we know she had them on at the concert? One of the girls could have siad, oh that looks better without, and changed or removed after she dressed with Gil. This would have to be a friends statement, so who knows with them. Any thoughts?
I meant DC in above post. These letters are killing me.
Here is what I don’t understand. How come we hear nothing from any students or anybody on the campus, rumors, sightings, general info. I dont think we have heard anything from any students saying “I saw her on the floor of the concert” or “I saw her talking with the b-ball players”. Not even general info that might be able to help, “I know what unicorns refer to” or “I have heard about parties at AF”. Or even rumors, “I heard this or that”. I know some kids may be scared and that VSP probably asked some kids to stay quite but somebody has to have heard some general info or rumors.
In the interest of covering all possibilities, I wonder if it is possible Morgan never made it inside the arena to begin with.
Information that may support this theory;
1. Reports by LE advising they have no video of Morgan inside the arena.
2. No one in attendance at the concert has come forward with a photograph or video although hundreds, if not thousands, of photographs and videos were captured inside the arena by those in attendance.
3. Recent comment by LE, as reported on the news, that stated LE did not feel Morgan injured herself inside the arena.
4. On a balance of probabilities, it does seem more likely that Morgan was not inside the arena to begin with when compared to the likelihood she left the arena just as Metallica was about to take the stage, the band she had been looking forward to seeing for six months.
5. Photographs of friends taken at the Halloween party that appear to indicate a lack of remorse for letting their friend leave the arena alone without her own car to which they had the keys.
6. Indication that friends have been instructed not to discuss what happened that night.
Information that does not support this theory;
1. Witness statement of WT (it has been noted that WT appeared on JVM to discuss his sighting of Morgan inside the arena).
2. Witnesses to Morgan injuring herself and bleeding inside the arena (it has been noted that these witnesses wished to remain anonymous and also that LE appears to be dismissing their accounts as per recent news coverage).
http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/88307712.html
Good Morning! Fish, above you can find updates on arena’s “new” security policy.
Who would be in a position to disable CCTV or tape over security tapes?
Would someone in security at JPJ be able to disarm the system or reset it causing lost data? Is there security preventing cameras from being unplugged?
Someone here earlier mentioned that a power surge in another installation ruined the CCTV system, and if this had occurred at JPJ, the system might not have been operational.
That’s strange Concerned. Maybe when the video was paused, the image of the hair was still filling in due to movement in the video and that pixel hadn’t filled in yet.
Observer, I am so sorry for the pain you are feeling now with the loss of your dear friend. May his last words be a comfort to you and his family and an inspiration to us all. Thanks for sharing.
OK, Now I want the Harringtons to file suit against the arena. ALL the questions in the above posts need to be answered … especially since lack of answers don’t make sense. Also, the public needs to have confidence in the safety of future attendees. I want answers and I have never met this family. A good old fashion lawsuit may open up some really good leads. At the very least, the Harringtons and the public at large should want to know WHY ( and if ) the arena’s system failed.
PS: I like this … Morgan’s Bridge!!
Total Amateur wrote:
“J2K, I hear ya, fists pounding. I want some answers on the 4 BIB. Even a composite sketch… anything. So much time is being wasted. Witnesses memories are drying up. The accountant saw this group twice… VSP can’t give more than 4 males dressed in black? Were they uniforms/matching polos? One guy in jeans and black T-shirt, one in black cargo pants and a black hoodie? One had glasses? Beards? Goatees? Bald? Short hair/long hair? Hats? WHAT? Give potential witnesses more than 4 guys in black. 50% of the crowd had something black on. It’s a staple of metal. Even Morgan was dressed in black…c’mon!”
Honestly TA and J2K and all, there are a gazillion ways for 4 guys to be dressed in black. Ranging from your music industry/management types or say, lawyers or CPAs in black cashmere lightweight sweaters with black slacks and black leather guccis to kids in black t-shirts with dark blue to black dungarees.
We need more info about the what sort of black clothing worn by the bib/mib!
Observer, I’m so sorry that you have lost your dear friend.
So we have had a medical emergency and I’ve been a bit on the tightly wound side. I apolly if necessary J2K if I was strident! I love your style. We’re now past that emergency and all is on the mend. However, getting ready right now to take hubby in for a scheduled surgery. I will check in as often as I can!
You folks are awesome.
justiceformorgan- I can clearly see the black pixel on the still linked by concernedbystander, all I can say is that sometimes when you capture a still from video, especially poor video, sometimes it is grainy and depending on which format it is saved in, you can get some anomalies.
Anyway, in this link- from a different camera- you can clearly see the same blonde next to a guy in a gray-colored baseball cap at the 2:04 mark- center right of the shot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YliWr2e5ufE&feature=related
Does anyone know if DC was wearing a baseball cap that night? Blink- any way this could be found out? It would practically confirm this was Morgan.
OK one more thought before I go to work. I am sure you all have noticed the black t-shirt guys that are guarding along the floor by the stage, I mean I guess they are there throughout, but they are black shirts. I dont know enough about the pixel thing to figure into the interpretation, I will defer to the experts. But the hair in Concerned’s pic looks the same as blond in my video. Same person? Ok bye, I promise.
1.yoshi says:
March 24, 2010 at 5:50 am
yoshi: Thank you for listening to the elephant!
It helps all of us who have never been inside of JPJA, yet to understand from a much clearer perspective.
We all should of went with Sky to see Celtic Women.
Does anyone believe that closed lipped persons would begin to talk IF the award money was substantially increased? I was wondering if people could comment on that. I have some ideas and some local connections with lots of money.
Yes, it might. Only one way to find out.
B
Gil Harrington’s thoughts from March 24th, 2010
My deepest admiration dear Gil, Dan and Alex…that even in the midst of your deepest pain, you are determined that Morgan’s beautiful memory continue to flourish, in so many positive ways. May our love and prayers continue to nourish your family, as each of us do our part to honor your beautiful, shiny girl’s life.
I strive to be open-minded enough to allow and recognize the good that is trying to unfold from Morgan’s death. My tendency is always try to enhance things, take remnants and craft something new. The minefield of memories and emotions we now live with makes it difficult to maintain a positive, forward moving attitude. It is vital to me, Morgan, that your existence not be wasted. I will not allow your essence to drain away. Somehow we will find a way to use the water of your life to nourish seeds and create growth.
I recognize that seeds sprout and grow best on clear and open soil. Our old lives have been plowed under and we have been tilled, ripped open. Can we be wise to accept and germinate new seeds? I believe we can. We will be creative and diligent and clever enough to allow growth to occur. I promise you this, Morgan.
We will do the work you were not allowed to finish; we will feed and teach children, educate young people and keep girls safe – for you in your name, so that you were here matters to the world and your being taken from us has impact and meaning in your community at large.
No “fade to close” for your young life – your essence and your motivation must continue to flourish and you will NOT be forgotten!
Observer -
You have my heartfelt sympathies on the loss of your dear friend. (As do all of you, such as Chad and Eloise, who have loved ones whose lives are ending all too soon… while, of course, Morgan’s case is a wholly different situation, our personal losses and compassion for others are what have drawn many of us to BOC, and, in turn, compel us to share such tragedies with one another. So, point being: not O/T.)
O, “Grow in wisdom, and learn to love another better.” What a fine, fitting directive. Thank you for bringing his words here.
fish – re: “Dude, Where’s (the) Car?”
(said:) “Why can’t the primary crime scene be a vehicle? I explained that a good deal of damage was done to my sister inside one. …Maybe we should start checking whatever site one looks at to search vehicles sold. I’m game.”
Your post from March 22 (10:40 p.m.) about your sister’s horrific attack inside a vehicle and the extensive injuries she received was certainly eye-opening, fish, (and devastating to learn what she went through). It also made me think of the recent murder of Jasmine Fiore – the Playboy model whose (now dead by suicide) monster of a partner beat her within an inch of her life in her own car (before dragging her into their hotel room to finish the job). I believe the car was such a mess the dude simply abandoned it.
You raise a good point that, of all the things we don’t know, we *do* know that MH left the arena area in someone’s vehicle… and was likely killed later that night. *If* she was attacked in said vehicle, and it was a violent assault that caused significant blood spatter (as opposed to asphyxiation or strangulation), than someone knows someone who split town with his/her car and a load of cleaning supplies for a day or two following MH’s disappearance, and/or someone knows someone who sold their car, “totaled” their car, or otherwise changed vehicles in the week of Oct. 19, 2009 or thereafter.
total amateur (just can’t refer to you as “total A…”) – re: Tarp?
I was/am intrigued by B’s tarp reference, and in fact went with it weeks ago, ruminating on the source, etc. *But* it was (an educated) speculation on Blink’s part. You are correct, t.a. – “If true, this is potentially an explosive piece of evidence.”
I think that, if true, a forensic analysis of the tarp would have pointed LE to the perp (or darn close). This may have happened, but it may be the sitch that a solid lead the theoretical tarp provided is not quite enough to close in on an individual or make an arrest.
That said, I can’t help but think what we have here is a hasty dump, the location spurred by the hope that her exposed remains would decompose before evidence she was ever on AF became apparent. Not that we’re dealing with a Mr. Wizard level of scientific expertise by any means – I think our perp is a crude SOB – but it’s fairly common knowledge that things don’t break down without some sunlight (which would be blocked by a tarp). The perp(s) would be in effect preserving her body/the crime in leaving her there wrapped in a tarp.
t.a., you also noted, “This is a perfect example of why I feel LE is just being too tight-lipped. It seems like these individuals, and whoever is covering for them, are being allowed to ‘hide’ from public scrutiny.”
I agree; but, two things: Unfortunately, it’s possible that LE does not have a POI yet (hard to believe, but a possibility), so the individual(s) is able to “hide” because they’ve gotten away with it thus far. On the other hand, if they are building a case against a suspect, I don’t think the individual(s) could be held to “public scrutiny” until an arrest is made. The Court of Public Opinion is a bit of a paper tiger, I’m afraid.
Lastly, I hear ya too in regard to the 4 BiBs: “… VSP can’t give more than 4 males dressed in black?… (perhaps) One had glasses? Beards? Goatees? Bald? Short hair/long hair? Hats? WHAT? Give potential witnesses more than 4 guys in black.”
This won’t help yo’ frustration, T, but VSP didn’t even give us *that* – The Dude Quartet account came from a credible-sounding witness, who recounted to the press what she saw as she pulled into UHall parking around 9 p.m., and who noted the half-a-dozen interviews she subsequently had with LE on the matter.
While the BB players were acknowledged by LE once identified, we don’t even know if this (seemingly plausible) 4-to-1 encounter occurred – or, if it did, if these young men privately went to VSP following the news she was gone, identified themselves, and showed proof that they parted ways with MH at 9:15-ish before heading into the concert.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Argh.
Observer,
I’m so sorry to hear of the loss of your friend. Sympathy and prayers to you and his family.
I assume LE only interest in what happened outside the arena may indicate that LE may believe the person(s) who took Morgan were never in the arena?
If you tie the shirt (found around student apartments), AF, a possible student party site, JPJ, located at UVA, Morgan would have likely gone with a student, there appears to be a common thread, possibly someone who went to UVA, a college student or someone who commonly interacted with students.
I think the limo driver said he saw the 4 BIB..as well as the lady that had to stop her car and Morgan kicked her leg. BIB had 2 sightings, I think?
I am the one, I couldn’t imagine such damage to Morgan in a car.
Fish, I was wrong. I’m so sorry for your sister.
JUSTICEFORMORGAN – MARCHMALLOWW1, It seems, now that only a lawsuit is gonna open up the questions for answers. Was she there? (why servaliance can – or can not confirm … WHY?, were the systems at the arena working (or not)? And, this is critical. Sooo, I say let’s not waste anymore time, and “get it on”! ((LAWSUIT-NOW!))!!! [ if we have questions, and Morgan's mom has stated that she still does, something needs to clear this up.]
Diane H. – re: “MV”…?
I’m glad you and hubs are on the mend from the medical emergency you experienced, and I did not take any offense at all to your response on HH witnesses a few days ago. (I may have a thicker skin than most, but I did not even detect a “strident” tone.)
Anyway! I still am drawing a total blank on who you’re referring to as MV. I know we do our best to avoid dropping real names around here, but I was not aware of LE publicly *naming* any witness (why would they feel the need to do that?) – so, who are you referring to?
(Diane had noted:) “MV is the sole witness mentioned by LE in relaying their hitch-hiking story. She is perhaps the sole witness but perhaps not – you are right. I’d say they believe her and don’t have another witness to name. The HH ‘thing’ is such a hot button issue that if they had more witnesses I think we’d know that.”
Again, D – It’s been stated by LE that they have “multiple independent witnesses” whose accounts were the basis for LE’s “confidence” that she was HH. Don’t take this as adversarial (I absolutely do not intend it that way), but I think you are taking a few people who injected themselves into the “story” (perhaps with good intentions) by talking to the press about what they saw that night, and you’re erroneously associating them with LE’s prime witnesses. (Understandable, but inaccurate.)
I think (just speculation) WT called the tip-line early in the case – probably prior to going on Nancy Grace – to report he had seen MH inside the arena. I do not recall him noting she was drinking inside; rather, I believe he just said that he saw her in the vendor area. (Confusingly, another witness – this one who put his account in a blog, I think – said he *thought* he may have seen her get escorted away from the beer area because she didn’t have a bracelet or something. Also not verified, but *not* WT.)
With so much conjecture put forth by self-proclaimed witnesses giving their accounts to various news sources and blogs, I just feel it is important to put on one’s critical-reading glasses when sifting through all the info – and the overwhelming amount of non-info – that has been published about this case.
Debbie Baxter, I have to wonder what is your agenda? You’ve posted here and I believe on the Hook site advocating a lawsuit against the arena. If that decision should ever be made, it’s not your decision, it’s not the decision of any outside person no matter their concern. That decision will be made by the only people entitled to make the decision and that would be Dr. and Mrs. Harrington.
Something seems off with the case from day 1, don’t you all think?
Never released pics of Morgan or her clothes that she way wearing that day.
Have been very HUSH HUSH about eveything
No warning to the local area
I realize that it is VA’s SOP to not release information during an investigation but some cases NEED the public to help solve the case, especially in a missing persons case as this was for the first three months.
I just feel like there is something more that factors into this all.
And, yes, like one of your had posted (been busy catching up on like 3 days of posts today and I have read so many, I can’t remember who posted it) – Who benefits from the case not being solved? Looking more and more like this is the new key question.
Having one of those days again where I am doubting an arrest will ever happen. I am super worried that Lady Justice will not find her way to Morgan and her family and all future victims of the evil that is present in that area.
DebbieBaxter, I don’t know them at all, but if I had to guess, I’d say the Harringtons don’t want to be perceived as litigious in any way. I think it was probably hard enough for them to do their most recent presser, which put them somewhat at odds with LE.
I understand the impatience for answers regarding why no surveillance footage.
J2K, here’s your MV answer, snipped from the “Morgan Harrington Case: an Appeal to *You Know Who* Thread.” You can read the post she made about halfway through (note we have no idea whether LE considers her a credible witness).
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45.Momof3 says:
January 14, 2010 at 10:16 pm
Hey, it seems that the alcohol related incidences aren’t the only things that have been altered. I went back thru the threads trying to find the old printouts and came across this-
What is going on?
# Comment by Rae — December 5, 2009 @ 9:31 pm
There are a couple of weird things I have noticed about this case, not sure about the relevancy. On the facebook page Please help with finding Morgan Dana Harrington. Please., p. 76, a person posted that they saw her hitchhiking:(http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=161409341318#/wall.php?id=161409341318&page=75&hash=158d0dacce75c56cdeed58454e648a1f). You would think this would have been a big deal from the beginnign if it was known right away?
Maggie Voth (UVA) wrote
at 6:16pm on October 19th, 2009
I saw her at 930 too, she was on the bridge on alderman trying to hitchhike and was alone.
There was another reference online to “hitching” early on, before LE announced that she may have been hitchhiking.(http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/40480440.html?page=2#comments)
Re: Question
h0tfuss
2009-10-27 12:28 am UTC (link)
She was kicked out of the venue before the concert even started. In her position, I would feel really bad asking a friend to waste the money spent and miss the concert to drive me home (or at least keep me company outside) and then wait for everyone else to come out so we could all drive home together. It’s a situation of lots of people in different situations but only one car to get everyone home.
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Re: Question
ao_kiddo
2009-10-27 12:30 am UTC (link)
Which I could understand too, but personally, my choice would have been to wait outside by myself. I wouldn’t want to waste anyone else’s time bc I would feel bad, but I wouldn’t try to hitch a ride home. IDK, IDK…
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J2K says:
“total amateur (just can’t refer to you as “total A…”)”
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Thanks, J2K- I appreciate that. LMAO. It leaves too much to be interpreted.
You are absolutely right, VSP has never been the ones to talk about the 4 BIB. What should we take from this? The BB players were supposedly the last to see her in the RV lot- and alledgedly stated that she appeared to be alone when they left. Then, the one thing VSP HAS confirmed, is that she was hitchhiking. Yet, a good share of us tend to not want to believe this (myself included). Why? Why do we discount this… one of the FEW things VSP has confirmed? Is it because we just can’t wrap our brains around the fact that a bright young girl with a good upbringing could be so careless? Do we not want to believe that she was so intoxicated that her decision making was this skewed? I don’t know.
Have the BBplayers ever been officially “cleared” by LE? They WERE the last to interact with her that we know of. Could they have walked to their car while she was wandering up to the bridge, and then picked up a hitchhiking Morgan? Are they not talked about because they are part of a Division I basketball team from a major college, so nobody wants to think they could be involved? Or is it because they have been cleared, with solid alibis? Did the B-ball players see the 4 BIB at any point? Did Morgan tell them she was going to hitch, therefore confirming eyewitness statements? I think we’d all like to know what was said in that exchange.
Could Morgan have “blown off” the white BIB to associate/flirt with the BB players? This could infuriate a racist-type redneck metal head. And before anybody goes off on this- I’m not saying that all people who like metal are rednecks or racist skin-heads. But the genre does attract these types. These types of people are filled with violence, hatred and rage. Could they have turned their rage toward Morgan thereafter?
After all this, maybe Morgan got shut out of the concert- had a buzz- made a bad decision to hitch a ride… and was at the wrong place at the wrong time. Maybe it was a total stranger. That brings us back to square one. Ugh.
As far as “the tarp”- is this truly just Blink’s “educated guess”? Seems kind of specific- especially saying it was dark-colored or black. Perhaps something she saw in an aerial photo, or from a source? I don’t know, but I’d like to.
After all these ramblings, let me ask one direct question:
Blink, have the BB players been 100% cleared?
They have not.
However, LE has specifically told me they will not publicly clear anyone.
B
B says: “I am feeling very strongly that for whatever reasons, they are lacking a primary crime scene, thus the problem.”
Is that because of the Sutherland fire? Certainly still has potential, no? and the investigation is still “open”…
I will say because of a fire, possibly.
B
I am so far behind in reading, but Acho, I absolutely mirror your sentiment about the pix — JPJ is actually smaller than I was expecting — but it’s very well designed if that’s where they play basketball — it’s almost intimate — and you CAN see people and faces from across the floor —
I just do not believe there are no images of Morgan — I have seen my kid on videos on youtube — now, he got there and didn’t bulge, so I know where to look for him — but there’s that one very clear photo of him waiting in line to go in and in that shot, there’s at least a camera in the frame — don’t know if it’s a dummy camera —
I have to give Blink props in her statement that local LE — or even the University LE — are set up to fail — they are not properly trained for MP cases, especially if they believe she’s just gone off w/ a boy and she’s going to show up w/in 48 hrs. I bet more than one person in LE across many agencies choked on their coffee when they got the call she’d been found dead out on AF —
And I’m still riled at those so-called friends of hers — when they left w/out Morgan –and w/out talking to her — then they get the call she’s missing the next morning — instead of getting in MORGAN’s car and driving back to Cvlle and “looking for her” — they should have driven straight to some form of LE and spilled their damn guts — I know the Harringtons feel she was murdered quickly — but we don’t know — she could have still been alive — injured, but alive — I really gave it a go at softening my heart towards those friends — the Harringtons set the bar in forgiveness really really high —
If we believe Geller’s statement last week that there is no POI, then how in the world is it harming LE’s “non-existent” case by releasing some credible info to the public — you have a slew of intelligent minds here willing to help — you have people in Roanoke and Cvlle who may know something and not know they know — but unless you give them a clue, how can they respond —
I know everyone wants an arrest and conviction in this case — but if this person is a true sociopath and will kill again — isn’t it more important to find him/her/them — get them off the street on different — maybe even lesser charge —
I am coming to Cvlle again in April. I think I’m going to write the Mayor or somebody and do what’s called “putting them on notice” — it’s a legal term — if I had a kid in Cvlle and/or surrounding area, I’d do that, too — put them on notice that you have failed to warn the public that a murderer may be loose in your city — a violent murderer — if I am hurt, I am going to sue you so badly that my four great grand children will still be collecting —
Money moves the world.
Sorry, down from today’s soapbox.
Well, back up for just a second – if the Harringtons want pix of Morgan — they need to start filing civil suits — against a bunch of different entities — believe me — they’ll have more pictures and info than they’ll know what to do w/ — each defendant will start blaming the other one — and since lawsuits are public, the info could be held in the public records of the court —
Okay — getting back down — just saying –
MsL, I am so sorry I’ve offended you. I have just thought so many things wrong with the investigating of this case from the beginning – and – I don’t except excuses well. (I know this is a fault of mine). Of course, I will defer to the Morgans for their choices and the anguish they go through making them. It just seems to me that sensible questions have not been answered – and there are “excuses” to readily accepted for them. However, you are right, and I have no agenda; I don’t even know these people.
PS: MsL, I’ve never been on the “HOOK” site.
Thanks all for the concern about my sister. A very terrible and violent relationship, to say the least. It ended the way it ended. What can I do but to see my glass half-full and get busy living and always trying to help out other women who find themselves in similiar circumstances and young, shiny girls who go missing and then found violently murdered!
Yes, Morgan was taken in a vehicle by someone I believe, she was familiar with. Not close friends but recognized him. I think that he even tried to interceed her in the lot behind gramma’s car. Is Morgan outside because ejected? I don’t think so. Morgan’s outside because she had just fallen, was disoriented, head hurts, receiving a text saying something to the effect “I’m here, now and that is why she finds herself outside. She is disoriented just enough to not be able to catch the door? Skyler, can this happen. What did you think about JPJA lobby areas. Could someone try to be there to welcome a friend and bam, the door shuts behind. She’s locked out and he’s not around.
*Now Blink, Enter Sandman! Was Morgan texted by one of her party, on behalf of a friend? Or should I say, did one the friends loan their phone to another friend? Morgan was texted by a “friendly number”? Just askin’ is all.
And, FWIW: Civil Lawsuits do bring out the details and no matter how unflattering they may be for both sides. But remember, Lady Justice always remembers who lost their life!
Truth and Justice does prevail. Although, I would have preferred a Criminal sentence but Civil was what there was.
WRONG IS WRONG and RIGHT IS RIGHT!
Families have to do this because we are left with limited options and well, more violence is just plain stupid. Although, someone needed to tell my Dad that. Remember, Morgan is the one seeking justice in the Criminal System. The crime was committed against her. The state will seek it. But, never, ever rule out Civil.
BUT DO NOT THINK FOR ONE MINUTE MONEY TAKES AWAY YOUR PAIN.
(loud yelling voice!)
They are still DEAD!
It doesn’t, it won’t, and it never will! But what it does for you is two things.
One, therapy because your gonna need it!!
Two, to use it to pay it forward. Stopping violence against young woman, as the Harrington’s speak of.
Possibly to another crime victim. Education, Flowers & food, donations to a favorite cause or search centers, money to help surviving children; a trust fund, of sorts, supporting your local LE, the list goes on and yes, here’s a one that hit me hard from our own “Concerned Mom”, raising the amount of the reward!!!!
I think given the fact, that we are all committed to Morgan, I think that each and every one of us would give what we could. Maybe I can send something, maybe Sky, maybe total, Chad, Wayne, Eloise, the local cvillegirls, Shannon, J2K, OYE, Justice, heck, even the Happy Hippy, I would think that all of us would participate. Remember five bucks a pop, starts to add up! Those that saw Morgan, know Morgan or those of us, who just feel for Morgan and her family’s pain. We all can make a difference with whatever amount.
Now, my question! WHERE DO WE SEND IT???
Eloise, I think you make a great point about eliminating people — this absolutely is not Morgan — only because — this is Metallica on stage — look in the center at the AMPs or whatever they are — it looks like an angel on them — that is a Metallica stamp or logo or something — the front of one of their albumns — my kid has a tee shirt w/ that on it — during LOG that was covered up — this may be prior to Metallica taking the stage and that’s a stage hand and why it’s a little light on the crowd — if the VSP timeline is correct, then she was outside before this happened — they say she’s outside by 8:28 — but that doesn’t add up to me
I also think you make a great point about the tights — she may have removed them — which would jive w/ newspaper lady seeing a girl w/ no tights, but who looked like Morgan —
I mean, my son’s gf in high school — her mother was Irish and really strict and wanted her covered up from head to toe — she’d put an entire outfit in her backpack and go into a neighbor’s garage and change her clothes and catch the bus at the end of the street — she’d change back into the clothes she originally left her house in and go home after school —
so could Morgan change her clothes ? Of course — good point !
>>Eloise says:
March 24, 2010 at 9:28 am
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=tbyrd7777#p/u/13/JScSv7ff9hQ
Ok granted this may not be her, but if not, we might be able to eliminate this girl/location/other people. I dont see any gray hat. But if this was her, this could be the trip to the bathroom event, that was social in nature. And who did she talk with during that time. Also, back on the thrasher girl, this seems to be the right area, same big headed guy in the way. I also note, no tights. But, do we know she had them on at the concert? One of the girls could have siad, oh that looks better without, and changed or removed after she dressed with Gil. This would have to be a friends statement, so who knows with them. Any thoughts?
Good afternoon,
The twenty-first annual Take Back the Night rally will be held in loving memory of Morgan Harrington. Morgan disappeared on October 17, 2009, outside a Metallica concert in Charlottesville. In January her body was found on a farm about 10 miles south of where she was last seen. Dan and Gil Harrington will walk in the event and speak of the tragic murder of their daughter, Morgan at the hands of a killer who has not been brought to justice.
The purpose of this rally and candlelight march is to bring our community together to protest violence against women and to promote awareness of attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors that perpetuate this violence. Womanspace, which organizes this event, encourages everyone to take action to change our society — a society in which women have reason to fear being out alone at night.
This event raises awareness of violence against women, shares resources available locally, and gives individuals tools to help create positive change.
A march through campus and downtown Blacksburg will follow the rally. Please help stop violence against women. Together we will Take Back the Night!
Best regards,
Dan Harrington, M.D.
Alexander, sorry if I got your hopes up, but this is the 1st video with a possible Morgan where I can tell the people cared for oneanother- I realize it probably isn’t her- but if it is I think it would be a nice thing for her friends and family to have-
Justiceformorgan -Hi-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKq75zazjSE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPSTJkmCtBM&feature=related
Thank you for taking a closer look at all these videos- You can see both Morgan groups in this video- the one closest to the stage and the one where i see a kiss-I think you can also see the 2nd thrashing blonde- in this video- she/he seems to have bushy blonde hair- I’ll “show” the kissing blonde first-
In the first vid-
Green spotlight shows them first at 0:22 then yellow spotlight at 0:23 they will be to the left of the stairway and to the front of guy dancing on stairs- you can watch them from 2:57-3:11 they will be in the bottom left of your screen.
2nd video 1;31 we will see a side profile of the blonde 1:32 the blonde leans over to talk to friend- 1:58-2:05 you can see them 2:27 back on screen 3:26 kiss 3:27 hug 3:28 hug 3:31 lays head on shoulder they will be in the bottom left of your screen but not as much to the bottom as in the first vid-
Second Morgan group is closet to the stage in front of bald security guy- you will first see them at 0:15- and again in green spotlight 0:22 at 2:51 you can see the group againyou will also see thrashing bushy head blonde behind and to the left of them- 3:12 they can be seen again- at 4:08 you will see the back of PMorgans head at 4:14 you will see it again 4:18 you will see 3 people in the group- PDC in blue baseball cap then PM then ?
Thanks again for doing this justiceformorgan, I have more vids if you are up for it?
Fish, I will help all I can- I found a vid that shows thrashing blonde near Dee-during Metallica- I’ll post it-
OOps -sorry for getting your name wrong Alexandra- don’t know why I wrote it as der- Duh- sorry
j2K..MV= Maggie Voth JMU
mv is maggie voth a uva student,who posted on findmorgan that she too saw her hh,nothing has been heard from her since,she is emailable thru student services,i found her email address and posted it here awhile back,hoping someone would email her and ask if she is now still certain it was morgan ,did she have her purse,and where was she exactly,or is not allowed to make a statement ,as she is a witness.that is the only person to have been named as a hh witness,and she named herself,le has said they had multiple witness she did not claim to have been in contact with le.
i am also wondering how bloody was this? moving a bloody body in that short a time frame that short a milage radious,it seems to be the persons thinking is almost dna itself,i think this is an unusual profile,i am not sure why,it just strikes me as too telling for pro-profilers.
I found this article from Nov. 4 and thought it interesting and also answers a couple of questions being discussed. In this statement police din’t confirm if she suffered a cut inside or outside the arena. Also, it says they did view surveillance video from JPJA.
New details: Smart arrives as Morgan Harrington’s parents launch search
by Courteney Stuart
published 1:38pm Wednesday Nov 4, 2009
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Witnesses have reported seeing her at various points both inside and outside the Arena after she separated from her friends, and police recently confirmed that she suffered a facial cut, but one that was too minor to suggest an assault.
Geller says police have reviewed hours of surveillance footage from the Arena and from area businesses yet have found no images of Morgan. But according to the owner of the closest convenience store to John Paul Jones Arena, the 7-11 on Ivy Road, it was several days before investigators reviewed her store’s tapes.
“I believe it was Wednesday, October 21,” says 7-11 franchise owner Sabiha Raja.
Asked why it took so long, Geller said at the press conference, “It depends when that information might have come in.”
An employee of nearby BB&T bank declined comment on investigators reviewing surveillance at the bank, and the manager of the Cavalier Inn Best Western on Emmet Street did not return the Hook’s call by posting time.
blink.disregard.maggie voth is UVA..sorry..i jump the gun sometimes
I think the Harringtons are being played like a piano. Yes they should sue, if nothing else to get the JPJ Arena (aka the UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA aka the STATE OF VIRGINIA) to change their stupid policy on patrons being readmitted. I don’t care what the policy is of any other arena on the planet. And if local law enforcement can’t do better than this they should transfer the case to the FBI as lead agency and get out of the way.
DB- I cannot dig that out.
Debbie apologizes for upsetting anyone, but feels strongly about the UVA JPJ issue.
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OT- Blink I have some good news since the conference, remember the woman I met named Kathy whose daughter Laura was missing for over a year? Well, the detective in charge of the case located her through a phone number and spoke with her. They still don’t know where she is but they know she is alive! It seems this POS she is with has her brainwashed and the detective is gaining her confidence pretending to be looking for his missing wife. We still don’t have all the facts but at least she is alive.
Observer- You and your friends family will be in my prayers.
Chad- My mother was diagnosed 20 months ago with pancreatic cancer and we were told she probably didn’t have 3 months, she is still here with good days and bad days. I will keep you all in my prayers also.
Kathy
awesome!!
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