Morgan Harrington Murder: Harringtons Debut Morgan Rocks
Charlottesville, VA- Continuing the crusade to memorialize their daughter Morgan and keep the public focused on the dangerous killer(s) still at large, Dan and Gil Harrington will be meeting with media today at 1PM.
The meeting agenda will include the Harrington’s ongoing concerns for womens safety on and off campus, and their fears associated with the fact that there has not been an arrest in their daughters murder to date.
The Harringtons are also expected to announce MORGAN ROCKS.
In response to a hand-painted river rock, lovingly and generously created and delivered to the Copely bridge by blinkoncrime.com contributor Skyler, containing the phrase “Rock On”; The Harringtons have decided to widen the trend.
MORGAN ROCKS
We are starting a “gathering of rocks” at Morgan’s memorial on
Morgan’s Bridge at Copeley Road on the North Grounds of the University of Virginia. When you come to Charlottesville and to the bridge bring a rock and a prayer to add to the collection. Leave both at the bridge!
Morgan, Gil, Alex and I continue to need your support and prayers as we wait for Morgan’s murder(s) to be brought to justice. Your support in raising society’s awareness of the need to change the culture of acceptance of violence against women and in so doing change the laws that allow these crimes to go unpunished.
Skyler’s slate rock was the first. A beautiful painted slate rock with an image of Anchorage Farm, Tibetan prayer flags and an angel rising to the heavens. Morgan, Rock ON!!!
Dan Harrington
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TJ and Keekee,
Loved your posts. They both made me think and reminded me of the reasons that I read here. Your research is impressive, Keekee.
I hear you on the videos ,Redly. An exercise in futility it has always seemed to me. I do, however, admire the patience and dedication of those so inclined. I could never do it.
I haven’t got much else to add as to who is responsible for this horrible crime. I only have some gut feelings based on what my common sense tells me.
I am not confused about the length of time that an arrest might take, or the lack of information released to the public and maybe even the family. That topic has, however, been covered.
I am also unconcerned about the ( perhaps), lack of physical evidence found thus far.
Dr H,Gil and Alex,
I rarely post but have been a faithful follower of BOC. Your family is very important to me and I think of you daily. In Morgans memory I am wearing her bracelet as is my daughter. I am with you and will be until Morgans murderer is locked away. Thanks to all of you Blinkers for the hard work and research you do, J4M. Mamy
I seem to have whacked the hive with my video survellance concerns. I feel I may need to clarify my thoughts. Very few arenas have any cameras inside the arena itself. Sporting events and concerts generally have outside vendors inside the arena that come with their own video agendas. Sporting events are almost always taped for the athletic dept. and in bigger schools, for ABC, CBS, NBC, ESPN, etc. These entertainment events have strict policies about outside cameras and video, especially of a professional nature.
My concern is with the entrance/exit doors, hallways, concession stand cameras, box office camera, lobby, hallway and exterior cameras.
If Morgan entered this arena, she was on camera at the door where she came in. She was on camera as she walked through the lobby toward the arena. She was on camera as a patron to the concession stands. She was on camera as she walked out of the arena area to go to the bathroom, smoking area or wherever else she may have gone. She would have been on camera again as she exited the venue to go outside. Her car may have even been on camera.
So, we have a minimum of a half dozen cameras that watched Morgan’s progress through her evening. Probably closer to twenty in a building this new. VSP has said there is no video of Morgan so one of a few things occurred:
1. The video system does not have a functional storage system for data. It is possible that a bank of monitors is watched by security personnel and that is the extent of their video security. This seems unlikely. Digital video storage is not a new thing. It is standard at many car washes now.
2. Morgan was never at the arena. This seems unlikely as well. Morgan’s friends and acquaintances that say they saw her there would have to be holding firm in a huge conspiracy.
3. Data was erased or lost in a looped tapeover. This happens at the carwash but not at a state of the art arena where a patron vanished from last evening’s event.
4. Someone is lying about the availability of footage of Morgan. This would have to be VSP. This seems unlikely as well. Their modus operandi is to say nothing about anything so lying is not necessary.
For now, I am not buying the story that their is no video of Morgan. I also know that explaining WHY there is no video of Morgan, if true, would not damage the investigation.
The next time a BOC local goes to the JPJ arena, please notice the cameras, outside and in. See if it would be possible for you to bebop all around the arena and grounds without being electronically noticed. I reckon it didn’t happen last night, last week, or Oct. 17th.
Blink,
Keep in mind he is 42 and looks completely legal so it had to have been a action to strictly enforce their “rules” and not so much that they thought he was underage. They were keeping close watch. Not sure if this is regular practice of something that’s changed due to previous issues and attention. Lastly, on the row of screens between levels of the arena there was a surprising message that flashed up every several minutes before the first act started and also at every break in between acts. It said something to the effect that “should you become injured within the arena, please come to the first aid stations which are located on every concourse.” I thought that was interesting considering the thoughts that Morgan was hurt inside the arena. Surely if she was bleeding and hurt inside or she had fallen and was crying, someone would have taken her there??
I’ve been lurking for months, admiring the sleuthing skills of the Blinksters and trying to draw my own conclusions. I just took my daughter to the Taylor Swift concert last weekend at JPJ Arena and I may finally have something to add which I don’t think was mentioned here. While the thousands of screaming, squealing preteen girls were a bit of a distraction I wanted to point out a few things I saw from being inside recently that may help with further speculation and investigation. First off, there is one small sign at the entrance door about no re-entry. If I hadn’t been looking for it, I wouldn’t have seen it. This sign was at the ticket taking doors and I saw no other signs inside. There may have been other signs at other entrance doors which i didn’t see, but there were none beyond that point. There also has been mention of 4 wearing black. I’m sure the “uniform” may change depending upon weather, concert, and maybe even laundry days but I noticed that the ticket takers, the stage security, and those standing “guard” at the closed-to-the-public areas of the venue (i.e.. the suite areas) were all wearing solid black. Most had RMC Event staff written in yellow on the back of the shirt but not all had that on the back. I would even say half of them had on a vest which reminded me of a crossing guide type safety vest if that makes sense. It was also dark colored. All but one had on black shirt and black pants. One had on black shirt and khaki pants and he was the closest to the stage. There were multiple security people wearing black near the beer/ ID check points and they were busting people who didn’t have on an arm band. Hubby accepted a beer from my brother in law before getting arm band and suddenly was getting a stern talking to. He then got his band and all was well.
Not sure how if this is relevant with regards to Morgan but I felt it worthy of mentioning. These actions very well may have been put in place as a CYA measure after the fact.
Thank you Kay, I agree with you on the injury warnings. I also agree that morgan found herself outside and did not realize she could not get back in.
B
Redly,
The JPJ does have a certain amount of responsibility for the safety of persons inside their facility. As stated earlier I find it hard to believe that there would be no footage of Morgan at this concert, unless she flat out wasn’t there. If that is the case then there are some questions to be asked of at least three individuals.
If Morgan was at the concert there should be footage of what took place that evening. You can’t put gas in your car without being on camera. The only reason that I can see for the venue not to have footage is if it is trying to protect itself, the University and the alumni the put up the money for the arena.
For example; security escorting young Morgan out the door. Hmmm, or Morgan falling being disoriented and security not allowing her re-admittance, maybe even something as simple as her being intoxicated and having footage of being served alcohol. Doesn’t look good, must destroy all evidence. Remember early on in the investigation the UVA’s investigator’s tried to imply that Morgan had just ran away.
My father-in-law was the president of just such an institution of higher education and believe me this would not be the first time that the practice of a cover up was conducted in the name of protecting the Good ol’reputation of the school. I believe the term is “throw away”.
Really, Really Sad, so much wasted time, maybe this case could have solved if the FBI and State Authorities had come in sooner. Probably to late for dear Morgan, but possibly the life of another young girl.
Regarding video security inside JPJ arena;
I think security video of Morgan inside JPJ arena could have prevented what happened if there were security people viewing the video as it taped who acted upon something they considered suspicious. That type of security is all over the casinos in Reno and Las Vegas – cameras videotaping people gambling and a crew of security people in another room viewing the video as it tapes, watching for indications of card counting, etc.
Video could have possibly assisted in identifying the person(s) responsible and could have provided evidence in a trial against that person(s) thus ensuring another person would not become a victim of that individual(s). (I apologize for writing the following but I think it’s important to note) In addition, if Morgan was not killed immediately, video could have possibly assisted in identifying the person(s) involved and locating that person(s) and Morgan in the initial stages of the crime.
Regarding the timeline;
***LE has said they do not believe the timeline began inside the arena*** Does this mean they are not concentrating their efforts inside the arena as well as outside the arena?
If Morgan was inside the arena, there must have been a very compelling reason for her to leave right before Metallica took the stage given that Metallica was the act she was there to see and had looked forward to seeing for six months.
It has been discussed that Morgan attended many concerts and, as a result, was more than likely aware of the policy regarding leaving the arena and coming back in. If that is the case, there must have been a reason Morgan did not feel leaving the arena would result in a problem getting back in. Or, the reason that Morgan left the arena was so compelling that when she made the decision to leave, getting back in was not on her mind. Or, Morgan’s choice to leave the arena was not her own.
If Morgan was inside the arena and left, it seems to me there must be a connection between her leaving and the crime. Leaving the arena made Morgan vulnerable and then she was abducted. What chance is there that leaving the arena and the crime were not connected given the fact that her leaving the arena seems so odd? I would think the likelihood of those two things not being connected is incredibly small and, if they are connected, shouldn’t the timeline begin inside the arena rather than outside?
Elpy, I think you are onto something.
*snip*
“The fact that she didn’t purchase another ticket, or at least attempt to, by asking her friends to help her out by lending her $, leads me to believe that she either did not want back in, or was kicked out and wouldn’t be given access even with a new ticket.”
If there isn’t evidence to dispute any of the above, this may well be an answer to many of our questions. Did she not have the money or was she not allowed back in. But once again, I guess we will never know until there is an arrest, if then. I wonder why aren’t there any reporters trying to get a story from any employees there? Don’t you think that is weird? We need a Kathy Belich over in that area!
Take Back the Night Rally was held on the Virginia Tech campus. A large crowd attended the event and heard numerous speakers talk about person experiences with violence as well as the need for individual and societal changes in how women are seen and treated. Gil spoke of Morgan’s death and the violence that has fractured our life. We appreciate the Virginia Tech community and our friends who attended the rally.
totalA: Are you thinking that there could have been a vehicle fire?
redly: Consider it done!
O: Safe trip! See ya when you get back.
Blink: What is your policy on names vs initials. I think you have said in the past, something to the effect…”Doesn’t matter, liability eitherway?” What was it? I should have been paying closer attention.
And, can’t you always edit, if you don’t want a name posted. None of us would take offense. Some of us, just need to write without feeling guarded. I always say if they put their biznack out on the www, then I state the facts giving credit where credit is due. I would never take the words out of someone else’s mouth and not give them props!
Slander, libel, whatnot. This was the water cooler subject at a local health care facility today. Your site has people facinated.
I am not sure what your asking me, I only ask that you use discretion.
B
Kay, Thanks for bringing that info to us- I am glad they have that posted on the screens- IMO this lends credence that Morgan was hurt and tried to get to the bathroom or first aid and perhaps found herself outside- Not sure if they believe Morgan fell or maybe they even have confirmation she fell… Makes me wonder, again.
I am going back through the threads trying to find something we missed and several questions have continuously been asked,yet never answered.
One is:
susanm says:
January 20, 2010 at 1:50 pm
who is maggie voth,uva,hh witness?is she still 100% sure it was morgan?100% sure she was hh?and where?on bridge or corner of copely/ivy?
- maggie Voth is the first person to come out and say she was 100% positive she saw Morgan HH- Is she a friend of Morgan’s did she talk to Morgan- Does any one know the answer to these questions?
Interesting post Kay. When I was viewing online photo’s of an outdoor music event in Virginia, I noticed a first aid/medical truck at the event. Did you see any first aid/medical vehicles parked outside the arena when you were there? Or, does anyone else know if it is common practice for a first aid/medical vehicle to be parked outside JPJ arena during music events?
Red Ranger,
re; your comment, “Morgan’s friends and acquaintances that say they saw her there”…
I’m not disputing what you are saying but wondered if you could please direct me to where you found the information regarding Morgan’s friends saying they saw her inside the arena? I haven’t been able to locate that information myself. TIA.
Oh, wait…now I remember! There was the kiss on the cheek that was reported by Amy I believe, that she said took place inside the arena between Morgan and herself.
Re; acho says:
March 25, 2010 at 8:41 pm
Wow! Acho, that is excellent research and information! Good point regarding not allowing him to work at customers’ homes alone. I wonder who his coworker/buddy was???
Regarding Mom of Cheesy Jumpsuit, I wonder if any of the dates of her name-changes were around the time of his charges/incarceration/registration as a SO. Maybe one of her name changes was done to distance her name from Cheddar’s. That would be bound to have a negative effect on him as well.
Sorry for all the posts B, this will be the last one tonight.
A few paragraphs from the October 29th Hook article (link provided below);
“The group arrived safely, according to a 2005 UVA grad who parked next to them. Morgan– a blonde-haired, blue-eyed woman clad in a black mini skirt, black tights, and knee-high black boots– seemed excited to go in, more so, even, than the rest of her friends”.
“She pulled up with her party and got out of her party’s car and kind of immediately engaged me and my brother and my cousin and my friend who were at the concert,” Dave Gardner, now living in New Jersey, told Lynchburg television station WDBJ”.
“She did seem excited to see Metallica because she asked us who the opening act was, and when we told her, she said ‘Who cares, we’re here to see Metallica, right?’”
“Gardner, who did not return the Hook’s calls, told the station he was “100 percent certain” that it was Morgan he’d spoken to and that he saw no signs of pre-concert drinking by Morgan or her friends”.
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The first time I read this I didn’t notice that there were four men in the car that parked beside Morgan and her friends – Dan Gardner, Dan Garner’s brother, Dan Gardner’s cousin and Dan Gardiner’s friend. I wonder if they were dressed in black.
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Another paragraph from that article in The Hook;
“A thorough law enforcement review of security videos not only from the Arena but from all nearby businesses equipped with surveillance, Geller says, shows no trace of Morgan”.
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According to the paragraph above, there were security video from the arena that was **thoroughly** reviewed and showed no sign of Morgan.
http://www.readthehook.com/stories/2009/10/29/cover-findMorgan-E.aspx
Kay- thank you, thank you, thank you for your observations regarding the signs, security dressed in all black, the screens and the ID check. Sounds like a huge CYA to me or at the very least a response to pressure as a result of this case. Too little too late kind of thing, IMO.
I’m sorry this is so long. I really do try to shorten my posts.
Here is where I am:
1) Morgan left the arena unaware of the re-entry policy (nothing on the front of the tickets/no obvious signs stating the policy) I still need to hear whether or not staff verbally warns people at every exit point that they won’t be readmitted if they leave. I would also like to know if there are signs at these other exits.
2) Morgan may have had alcohol in her hands without having a wristband on. This *may* be the reason no photos have been released of her. Has VSP ever said there aren’t any *photos* of her at the arena? I don’t recall this. Surely her friends were snapping pictures. And again, according to an eyewitness she fell with a drink in her hand but didn’t spill her drink. Didn’t spill her drink because there wasn’t a lid on it? There wasn’t a lid on it because– it was a beer? Maybe? Yes?
3) Morgan falls *somewhere* and hurts her chin/face. She drops her purse numerous times. Does she drop her phone too and the battery flies out? Why all the dropping and falling? Open drink + crowded venue + girl falling unable to keep control of her possessions = benzo or some other drug put in her drink? (the falling etc. could also be the result of her intentional ingestion of drugs or alcohol instead) Doesn’t matter to me, but it might matter to JPJ if there is evidence that she was served alcohol illegally or someone illegally bought her alcohol.
4) Benzos and alcohol DO NOT mix. Together they can make you feel really shaky and sick to your stomach. At higher doses you’re judgement is impaired. We know this. (Same can be said of a host of other drugs or too much to drink) A shaky, confused, disoriented Morgan, having a not so fun time in a crowded, loud, stuffy, trippy environment = I need to get the eff out of here. (after trying to get it together in a quieter place first – the bathroom)
5) Morgan finds an exit that is not attended to by a host, doesn’t have an adequate re-entry sign posted or the attendant is busy on the phone or with another patron = Morgan unknowingly leaves the arena without proper guidance as to the re-entry policy. Guidance that other patrons may have received depending on where they exited and who was available at the time. ANY inconsistency in advising patrons of the no-re-entry policy whether it be via the lack of visible signs or verbal warning is unacceptable, unfair and quite possibly in this case resulted in death. IF this occurred and it can be proven, JPJ has blood on its hands. Is this why there is a new policy at JPJ where a manager must be called anytime a patron asks to leave the arena?
6) Morgan “composes” herself outside and attempts re-entry. She is denied. She tries again. Denied. She starts getting pissed as she is missing the concert she has waited 6 months to see, her friends are inside, her car is in the lot, she doesn’t have the keys. Her face is cut. She’s incoherent. She’s lost her ability to be polite. She’s panicking. She NEEDS to get back in. What is she supposed to do, she asks. DENIED.
Has any security or staff been released from JPJ or RMC after Oct. 17, 2009?
Deep breath. I don’t expect video of Morgan inside the arena. But, as Redly has pointed out, I do expect that there is something of her in the lobbies, halls, concessions – places where money is exchanged, ID’s are checked or where searches are conducted. They would HAVE to have this as both a safety precaution for everyone in attendance as well as a way to dispute claims that security is conducting inappropriate or biased searches. C’mon. I wouldn’t even want to see the footage to prove that she was there. I would want to see it to see how she was treated and who was around her.
Going with my theory that something was put in her drink or that she was intoxicated by her own means makes me think that she was incapable of coming up w/ the solution to buy another ticket or make another plan. This same type of clouded thinking might also have led her to hitchhike (if she in fact did).
skyler, you cracked me up with swanny! Why, I declare, hadn’t heard that old saying in a month of Sundays.
Eloise, I *think* we know that she had at least one credit or debit card—found with her purse and phone and ID the next morning. There are rumors that her card was used somewhere that night after the 9:30 pm bridge/hh sighting.
shoutout to red ranger
you da bomb
the hive needs beating
hey fish -
i wonder if we could use “blanks” when discussing certain unnamed peeps, as in “fill in the exact blanks” kinda game? or even hang man. haha. ah, well. communicating across the net on blink affords us some uniquely cryptic and/or obtuse moments in time. but, oh how i love those lightbulb moments. i am of the notion there is still a chance to light up the room. can’t wait to see the rats and roaches scurry
I am fine with that, as long as there is a nexis in some way, hav at it.
B
Gil’s blog from today:
Thursday, Dan and I traveled to Blacksburg to speak at the VT Take Back the Night Rally. This message of safety for women and children has always been important to us, but now in the face of Morgan’s murder it is pivotal to our belief structure. Somehow we have tacitly given acceptance that it’s OK in America for men to prey upon half of the population. Our exaggerated culture of self has reintroduced a primitive Darwinian way of life – survival of the fittest, each one for himself. Most civilized societies pride themselves on their level of integration and complexity of connections, NOT how an individual can place his own needs and urges paramount.
I am not a great mind to really understand and dissect how this has come to pass, only know it must stop and no longer be tolerated. Part of the change process is awareness and repudiation of social mores that encourage the continued violence and predition against women. The Take Back the Night Rally focuses attention on the problem and encourages change to occur.
Morgan Harrington should have been safe in the JPJ parking lot. She was NOT asking for it. She was NOT provocatively dressed, no cleavage and nothing tight. In fact the only skin she had hanging out was her beautiful face. Do we need to become a burka society here? Or can men learn not to vanquish women as disposable objects? I believe that they can and should. A campaign to limit violence is really basic, the lowest common denominator. Our mandate should be respect, cherish. But it is a beginning, so lets start here.
2 4 1
Honestly, the fact that Gil had to address her “dress” pisses me off to no end.
Very moving call to action, DR. H, thanks for posting.
B
No video image of Morgan at the entrance door, or upon exiting the arena, or the ticket booth, or the hallways, or the bathroom entrance
is alarming. Does JPJ have video of anybody attending the concert that night? They must! I remember reading that LE scoured over the JPJ security videos from that night and could not find an image of Morgan. It’s not possible, is it?
George said “Well, how about changing the JPJ Arena policy on not allowing patrons readmittance? That should have been done the day after Morgan was reported missing. How completely stupid and uncaring does the UVa Administration want to appear? Are they afraid if they change the policy it will indicate the earlier policy was a mistake?”
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Or how about having a clinic/”drunk tank” on site where impaired individuals can be evaluated and held until concert’s end? I don’t imagine folks can be forced to remain there, and I guess it’s possible Morgan was offered care and said no; if true, though, UVa would’ve told us that in its own defense, right? It’s insane if nothing like this exists.
I will say this: I mostly have good things to say about Casteen, UVa’s outgoing president. He has had some real challenges that I think he handled nicely. *Except* in the University’s quiet handling of campus rape, and now Morgan’s case, which opened a whole can of worms. He is a nice man who is on his way out, which in itself might have harmed the handling of this case (I wish it were otherwise, and he’d just say “what the h*ll, I have nothing to lose” and confront all these issues drectly and publicly).
I pledge right now to send a friendly letter to the incoming president, a woman who clearly does not play the old-boy way. She is big into sociology and was chair of that department, as well as Director of Womens Studies at University of Texas. We need to put issues of safety at the top of her agenda if they aren’t already there (Observer, chime in if you can, please!). Let’s get her thinking about it now, before she goes off for what I imagine will be a summer of ruminating on how she’ll tackle University issues when she arrives. Please consider doing same.
http://www.virginia.edu/newpresident/
For now, here’s here contact info:
Theresa Sullivan, Provost
University of Michigan
3074 Fleming Administration Building
Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109-1340
(734) 764-9290 Fax: (734) 764-4546
provost@umich.edu
Questions for you good blinksters who have been to JPJ. If Morgan had been on the floor for LOG, she would had to have gone upstairs to go to the bathroom or exit the arena, and if she’d been in her seat, she’d have to go downstairs to exit the arena, is that right? If she had been in her seat, is there also a concourse up there with restrooms and vendors? and is that where the smoking areas are, too?
I’m just curious, and trying to get a clearer mental picture. Do we know for sure where she watched LOG from?
“I am not sure what your asking me, I only ask that you use discretion. B”
I am not sure what I am asking either!
I am rolling around a theory and am trying to piece it together. Timeline should start inside of the arena.
I am very aware that if one does not keep an open mind and you become zoned in on one theory, you will not see other options.
(Please, translate what that is into your crime lingo)
I do not believe that Morgan Harrington was so out of her mind. Someone was watching. I’m even going to consider she was slipped something. We shall see when the tox screen comes back. Maybe we can link a drug back to someone. Time will tell.
I will use discretion, as I respect all of us here and the work that you are trying to do. Should I go ahead and post my number 1 theory, maybe but I think that I will do some serious thinking on it.
Have we even ever been WARM?
O/T: Did you ever meet someone and you know something ain’t right? I don’t think that it was my GOF, I wasn’t afraid, just something off. What would that be called?
to add to Kays post above,
There were lots of employees wearing
blue UVA vests also. The lady that took my ticket and the usher that directed us to our seats were both wearing UVA vests.
Does anyone else believe that the scene of the crime may have been a van or a large vehicle? I believe J2K indicated that it could appear that the types of injuries would be more apt to occur in an open area (which is good logic I think). Blink, do you have any thoughts as to where the crime may have taken place?
I do believe the primary crime scene occurred elsewhere, in an open area, meaning not a vehicle, and I believe it is in close proximity to AF, or close proximity to JPJ and the perps have had direct access to the AF farm. I have spoken to a local, who knows that farm inside and out, and I have to say, it is difficult to see, but there is a very steep ridge and several fences to maneuver if one were to try the Blandemar route, I am sold it was not the point of entry.
I have also worked through the possibility of her being placed in the river/creek bed and getting hung up. I have reviewed aerials ( not available to the public) and I am reasonably sure that did not happen, again the banks did not have the capacity to swell to get her to end up where she did.
Since I am of the opinion there is more than one unsub and I have not ruled out an older individual helping decide final location, any of these individuals could be tied to the farm, which of course, makes it difficult.
As Redrock said yesterday, this case can turn on a dime provided the physical evidence is conclusive.
I think staying at 30,000 feet in analysis will net more possibilities than anything. Which obviously is not optimum, but again, this is not a densely populated area.
B
B
Posted by susanm says:
March 25, 2010 at 3:07 pm
lets say i was exiting a gas station,as i drive away ,a car pulls in, i notice the color of the car, a man with a hat,driving,and i know what time it is within 5 minutes just because i know what time it is.now none of this means anything to this case,until its said that morgan attemted to use her card at that location within 10 mins. of the time i know i was there. now i call the tip line to say i was there within 10 mins and saw x color car with man with hat.that’s the credit card part, i dont understand.i can only guess that is info ,that is not needed.
Was the use of the credit card officially released? Are you saying you were at the location and called the tip line but VSP did not follow-up? Can you be more specific on the time and location?
There is no verification regarding Morgan’s card.
B
smythe:
Just wanted to let you know that Morgan has “rocked my world”, too!! I keep a close eye on the JMU kids I see in town.
Have even lent a hand to more than a few.
A girl with the cutest dress and too high of heels, wasted beyond belief, carring a huge case of Bud, was walking (at least trying to) up Port Road, obviously trying to get back to her apartment. She was tripping, stumbling, and going off the curb. I was going home from the office late. I couldn’t believe my eyes. Horns were honking, it was a warm night, kids were out. No one stopped just honked.
As if she was a piece of meat.
Morgan was sitting right there with me. (I don’t mean to sound creepy). We (I) stopped asked if she was ok. She started crying. Not about her drunken situation or bad choice to walk back up a steep hill A L O N E, but because her shoes hurt! For the love of God!
I told her who I was, A MOTHER! and gave her my husband’s card.
As if that made me legit.
I didn’t want her to think I was some creep. Hey, it was all I could think of at the moment.
Told her to get in and gave her a lecture of a lifetime! Told her about Morgan Harrington and her demise! Well, she went silent. I asked her were her posse was! Still silence. But, I thought well, she ain’t listening but at least she is safe. I dropped her off at apartments on Port Rd. One of many. She jumped out, shoes off with her case of Bud. Ready to party on!
I thought driving away, Oh my God, she could have one, either ended up in ER with an “head injury”(I always say that to my kids), ended up found later raped, found dead, or the worse, never found at all!
My husband had a fit.
“Stop giving my cards out to drunk co-eds, fish!”
He told me to call police next time.
So smythe, I keep an eye out because of Morgan and don’t worry, after being schooled by OYE about Hburg being the #1 party school in Va, I’m quick to call the Hburg Police, Rock County Sheriff, JMU Police, even VSP. This is my town too!
I support these men and women fully!
But, here’s the rub! My husband receives a very nice thank you note. Believe me when I tell you this girl was drunk but she listened somewhat. Enough to remember my loving, tounge-lashing lecture!
See, I DON’T need the credit, just WANT to know that I make a difference and
DR. & MRS. HARRINGTON, MORGAN MATTERS!
In ways that have changed all of us!
Although some days I can be a nag.
(14 teen yr. old daughter’s theory! ouch!), I try every day to make that difference. I wish that the outcome was different for you. I’m as serious as a heart attack about the reward offer! I can only be a silent warrior, for you. We are taking the kids away for break but when we get back it will be sent. I hope that people will start making a difference by sending anything they can. We all can give up a trip to a coffee shop and send even that amount.
It is not just about Morgan receiving her justice but all of us helping to get another Bad Guy off of the streets! We can only do what we can do, in whatever town or state we live in, but every little bit helps.
Blink: I am trying not to be too emotional or raw, so I hope that you post this. I feel that it is VERY important that everyone know that with all the talk of BGs, that there are those of us out here, living our daily, unglamourous, hard-working lives trying to help.
There are Good Guys, people!!
even good fish!
justiceforMorgan:
Agree! If it is of no consequence(my word, not VSP) of the inside timeline of Morgan’s where-a-abouts, why not release how she “found herself outside”. How would that even jeopardize the case?
Was it just truly confusion because of not knowing? Not being clearly marked? What was it?
Where is Morgan’s ticket?
Gil Harrington’s thoughts from March 26th, 2010
Well said Gil, we are with you!
Thursday, Dan and I traveled to Blacksburg to speak at the VT Take Back the Night Rally. This message of safety for women and children has always been important to us, but now in the face of Morgan’s murder it is pivotal to our belief structure. Somehow we have tacitly given acceptance that it’s OK in America for men to prey upon half of the population. Our exaggerated culture of self has reintroduced a primitive Darwinian way of life – survival of the fittest, each one for himself. Most civilized societies pride themselves on their level of integration and complexity of connections, NOT how an individual can place his own needs and urges paramount.
I am not a great mind to really understand and dissect how this has come to pass, only know it must stop and no longer be tolerated. Part of the change process is awareness and repudiation of social mores that encourage the continued violence and predition against women. The Take Back the Night Rally focuses attention on the problem and encourages change to occur.
Morgan Harrington should have been safe in the JPJ parking lot. She was NOT asking for it. She was NOT provocatively dressed, no cleavage and nothing tight. In fact the only skin she had hanging out was her beautiful face. Do we need to become a burka society here? Or can men learn not to vanquish women as disposable objects? I believe that they can and should. A campaign to limit violence is really basic, the lowest common denominator. Our mandate should be respect, cherish. But it is a beginning, so lets start here.
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FISH!!! please post your #1 theory… it might get the juices flowing!!! i am stuck!
Red Ranger “whacked the hive” is my official new favorite saying —
Actually, I did go to jpj in Feb. of this year — and I went not only to hera wonderful Celtic Woman, but to ck out the facility — I did not see any signs that said no re-entry — not that they weren’t there, but I looked and didn’t see any — I specifically looked at the doors where i exited, which is the same one I entered — they have an Irish bagpiper, and he was playing in the lobby both prior to and after the concert — I went thru three different people to gain entry into the seating area — first I went thru a physical scanner — I guess metal detector or something — then I had my ticket hand scanned — then a third person who looked in my purse — not one person said : there is no re-entry — I looked on the exterior of the building — there are cameras present — whether they work or not, who knows ? — there are also cameras stationed inside the facility — mounted on the walls — do they work ? Who knows ?
I am not affiliated w/ UVA in any way, so i don’t know this to be fact, but if that facility was built for its primary purpose to be a place for UVA basketball — it is extremely well designed — it’s very intimate, which gives patrons great viewing of the BB court from any seat — there is not that third tier that goes to the rafters you usually see in arenas — which means — my seat was on the floor — the stage was at the far end, not like Metallica who played in the center — I could clearly make out faces and clothes of people sitting across the arena floor — and up into section 312 where Morgan’s seats were — I say that because, if they ever at any point sat in their seats and not down on the floor — if there is a camera mounted on the far side facing that section — while it may not give perfect definition of Morgan’s face — it would give a definite outline of a blonde girl in black where her seat was located — and — give definition of her traveling companions — I still can’t bear to call them her “friends” — my neighbor, who is not my “close, personal friend” like these two claimed to be to Morgan — walked into my burning house risking his own life to get me out — I was on my way out by that time, anyway — but you see where I’m going w/ this — they couldn’t be bothered to walk to the front door to lay eyes on her —
I’ll stop — i could rant on about that for 20 pages and it won’t change a durn thing —
Keep whacking the hive and see what falls out — I’d still like to knock on every single door in the area and say we’re here about MDH and see who runs !
Last night on a cable channel called WE they aired a 20/20 program — which probably aired on ABC previously — it was about the attack on the Central park jogger probably 15 years ago by now —
what happened in that situation, I fear is happening w/ Morgan.
From what i could gather, there was some type of “rumble” going on in the park that night — 5 teenagers went there probably looking for trouble — and boy, did they find it —
During this same time — in another area of the park — the jogging/walking trails — her attacker was “stalking” — his word — this woman — he was familiar w/ the paths and kept far enough behind her to watch whether she went to the right, which was the longer, more populated and well-lit path — or to the left, which was darker and shorter –
To her fate, she turned the wrong way — left — he picked up a tree limb, ran up behind her, and hit her hard over the head — he then dragged her into the bushes — his thought at the time initially was burglary — he had previously raped several women and killed one — he was a pro at this by now — he began to beat her and he said she kept grabbing the back of her head — like she was in shock — his words — he had her keys and he kept asking her where her apt was and she refused to tell him, which he said angered him — he then raped her and brutally beat her — leaving her for dead — however, she was still alive — somehow she managed to crawl and was found —
now, there is this rapist loose in nyC — LE is under pressure to find and make an arrest — they go into central park — find these 5 teenagers — what happened between that time and their taped confessions differs from the detective’s story and their stories — they say they were coerced to make the confessions — LE says they gave them up freely — although their blood type, etc. did not match the DNA found on the victim –
These kids are arrested, statemetns are made to the press that the NYC rapists have been caught — the city is safe again
So the real rapist gets arrested for something else months later — while in prison — 13 YEARS later — he says he finds God, has a new attitude, wants to repent and confesses to the crime — gives detailed information — cops didn’t believe him; they had their man — er, men –
After much pressure, they finally did a DNA test — lo and behold, it’s his — the Detective still said, well, he might have raped her, but the others did the deed — the real rapist said he acted alone –
Finally, after years, the five teens, who are now in their 30′s, were released for a crime they did not do — the detective is now retired — in the interview, he STILL says he was right, the guy who confessed, and the evidence supports his confession, is lying —
And when I saw that, my heart dropped because I feel that LE is trying to make the evidence fit what they think may have happened to Morgan — for ex., by not examining the events of her entire day — only what happened after she left JPJ — and are discounting everything else —
I have read multiple reports from people on the Nov. search who turned items in — someone did a cursory glance at the item — not what they were looking for and threw it away — I guess it wasn’t the necklace or the red camera — but it might have been something else and it’s just thrown away —
i usually don’t swear to God — but I swear to God i do not know how the Harringtons breathe every day or how they maintain their composure –
Forget the reward money — if someone was gonna cash in on that, they’d have done it by now — take that money and hire your own competent investigators — not ones who howl at the moon — and whack a few hives and see who flies out
justiceformorgan: October 29th Hook article
“She pulled up with her party and got out of her party’s car and kind of immediately engaged me and my brother and my cousin and my friend who were at the concert,” Dave Gardner, now living in New Jersey, told Lynchburg television station WDBJ”.
“She did seem excited to see Metallica because she asked us who the opening act was, and when we told her, she said ‘Who cares, we’re here to see Metallica, right?’”
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It’s a minor point, but WDBJ is at TV station in Roanoke, not Lynchburg. That fact is totally irrelevant other than mentioning that if the Hook gets things like that wrong in their article then it makes you wonder how accurate the rest of their reporting really is.
Anyone ever hear any more about the assault/ destruction of property report from December on Red Hill Rd?
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Nicely done.
I did hear that the owner is not a resident of the property, it is rented.
B
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Well, you know what is coming next! About a dozen more questions that you probably can’t answer.
First, I want to make sure I’m on the right track. To refresh everyones’s memory, the incident is listed on crimereports.com as:
1800 block Red Hill Rd
December 26, 2009
Time- 18:47
Aggravated Assault
Simple Assault
Vandalism/Damage/Destruction of Property
The only listing in the “1800′s” on Albemarle GIS is 1824 Red Hill Rd. Titled to a woman who apparently lives at a separate address in Crozet. (I won’t list her name, it’s easy enough to find). This to me lines up with what you’re saying about that residence being rented. Is this the correct residence as to the location of the above crimes?
Now Blink, here it comes:
1.)Do you know who was renting the residence in October of 2009?(Wouldn’t this be a matter of public record, and therefore able to be mentioned?)
2.) Do you know who was the “victim” of these crimes?
3.) Do you know who was arrested in connection with the charges?
4.) Do you know what exactly was “damaged”?
I would think that all these questions are a matter of public record- Curiously, I have never been able to find any of the information listed. Unless, ofcourse, they are part of an ongoing criminal investigation.
To quote Blink:
“I will add this- Sometimes what you cannot find, is more important than what you can.”
I know that none of the inhabitants I have access to, were arrested on that date, it must have been a non-resident.
B
suz says: If Morgan had been on the floor for LOG, she would had to have gone upstairs to go to the bathroom or exit the arena, and if she’d been in her seat, she’d have to go downstairs to exit the arena, is that right? If she had been in her seat, is there also a concourse up there with restrooms and vendors? and is that where the smoking areas are, too?
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There are bathrooms on the main floor/court level of the arena, as well as the 200 level and 300 level – all in the concourse area.
Dear Dr. Harrington, Gil and Alex,
Morgan’s murder has horrified me. Your strength has inspired me. I’m here with the rest to see this through with you. To do what we can. To demand changes that save innocent lives. I will NEVER forget Morgan Harrington and her amazing family.
Hello all. Still trying to catch up on all of these posts.
Observer, Have a safe trip. I am so sorry you lost your dear friend.
LE has said that there IS no video of Morgan at the concert. Well, to ask a question that shouldn’t have to be asked: WAS there video of Morgan at the concert? The idea that there wasn’t pervasive video recorded at the concert just isn’t credible. Photos of the arena show a cluster of video cameras beneath the large scoreboard in the middle of the arena for starters. They are pointed at all the seating areas. The only reason for erasing the videos is that that it shows something very damaging to JPJ Arena management and the University of Virginia. Perhaps Morgan had a reaction to something as simple as a prescription drug and a beer and became unruly and was thrown out of the arena by JPJ’s “security staff”? (Talk about a misnomer-”security staff” would seem to take the cake)
9.fish says:
March 25, 2010 at 11:29 pm
totalA: Are you thinking that there could have been a vehicle fire?
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Fish, I was thinking of this as a possibility, however considering what Blink has said since last night- I’m thinking not… but it’s still out there.
I will add, considering there is no Fire response report that I can find, that it must have been -IMHO- some sort of “controlled” burn. Unless a report has been kept quiet, or I missed it.
fish says:
March 25, 2010 at 5:58 pm
“46.In Memory of Gini says:
March 25, 2010 at 12:45 pm
Does anybody know what sort of vehicle WT drives? And what color?”
Why?
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I am going back to the begining of Morgan’s disappearance…. This was posted on http://www.findmorgan.com forum:
Posted by: Want-to-be Profiler
11-09-2009 – Dont take this serious but
“There was a possibility that a man may have offered her some drugs or alcohol by the ladies restroom. Later they were found arguing, she was let outside not allowed back in then whomever she was arguing with may have followed her to the bridge and then while no one was aware that she may have been in trouble they may have had another argument and before she could do anything she dropped her purse as she was abducted into the night. I say this because she seems to be the “trusting type,” also her pupils are always dilated and her skin is unusually yellow which seems to denote drug use the perp., probably was in his early to middle thirties, white and sort of short with some kind of facial hair? Probably not so very well groomed and has a personality that is a bit introverted as well as stalker-ish but easy to talk too. She is probably not buried or in a very shallow grave, and on the edge of a forest in a field about 6-15 miles away, she may be nude and possibly posed to make it look like something else may have happened. The more I read about her case I can almost suspect the guy drives a red car or some sort of white truck. The perpetrator may live close to where Morgan was laid to rest, she probably was strangled or bludgeoned to death by an object or if they knew each other by bare hands. Poor Girl she should have picked better friends to be with and watch her a little more closely. This is purely speculation on what I have read though… I do hope they find her! Alive!”
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WT also had a timeframe that he couldn’t be accounted for, works in the medical field as an EMT and started the FB page: Find Morgan Harrington not to mention creepy videos of chasing people.
I was just curious.
Why, in the name of all that is holy, especially now that the season is over, can someone not release to the public what Morgan said to the basketball players or at the very least whether or not she was alone or with another group when they left?
42.Saramom says:
March 25, 2010 at 8:41 pm
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Thank you Saramom, for the link. One thing I found slightly interesting is a listing for an incident on 12/2/09, in which the location is stated as “On Monican Trail Rd at Red Hill Rd”. This was before Morgan was found, and before the FBI’s plea to cyclists, in which they specifically mentioned “the intersection of Rt. 29 and Red Hill Rd.
Also, according to the document, regarding the fire on Sutherland- There were the two calls on 12/26, but also a third on 12/27.
A word of caution to everyone deciding to research this angle, you really need to understand the response areas and call codes or you will drive yourself batty. The 2 calls on the 27th were inspection/investigative in nature.
B
Blink … when do you think toxicology, DNA testing, etc. WILL be back?
Do you think LE will release that they at least have it back and use this as a tool to possibly flush out BG(s) regardless of results?
i think WT was involved initially with drugging her by the bathroom or before when she fell inside.
CORRECTION- in my above post (12:29)- reference to the Sutherland fire should have been dated 1/26 and 1/27
In Memory of Gini, that quote from Want to-be-Profiler
(below)has bothered me for quite some time…..maybe it is just a guess on Profiler’s part but hits way too close to home for me…I suppose LE can track down who posters really are, correct Blink?
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Re: 41.In Memory of Gini says:
March 26, 2010 at 12:13 pm
re: WT…and the following post:
Posted by: Want-to-be Profiler
11-09-2009 – Dont take this serious but
“There was a possibility that a man may have offered her some drugs or alcohol by the ladies restroom. Later they were found arguing, she was let outside not allowed back in then whomever she was arguing with may have followed her to the bridge and then while no one was aware that she may have been in trouble they may have had another argument and before she could do anything she dropped her purse as she was abducted into the night. I say this because she seems to be the “trusting type,” also her pupils are always dilated and her skin is unusually yellow which seems to denote drug use the perp., probably was in his early to middle thirties, white and sort of short with some kind of facial hair? Probably not so very well groomed and has a personality that is a bit introverted as well as stalker-ish but easy to talk too. She is probably not buried or in a very shallow grave, and on the edge of a forest in a field about 6-15 miles away, she may be nude and possibly posed to make it look like something else may have happened. The more I read about her case I can almost suspect the guy drives a red car or some sort of white truck. The perpetrator may live close to where Morgan was laid to rest, she probably was strangled or bludgeoned to death by an object or if they knew each other by bare hands. Poor Girl she should have picked better friends to be with and watch her a little more closely. This is purely speculation on what I have read though… I do hope they find her! Alive!”
So many thought-provoking posts today.
Red Ranger- Thank you for breaking down the reasons there could be no footage of Morgan from the arena-
I agree that all of these reasons are plausible- she never made it- the cameras were inoperable- the cameras do not store footage very long- the footage was erased-they do have footage but are lying-or at least not publishing it-
For a moment lets think along a different line- What if instead of a beautiful, injured, young woman getting locked out and barred from reentry, being abducted and murdered the night of Oct 17, 2009, taken from the Metallica’s concert, a group of terrorists infiltrated the concert instead, The group positioned itself in different areas of the arena and different areas of the parking lots, including the Bridge- Would JPJ still have no footage from inside the arena? Would they still not be asking concert goers from that night, to turn in all cell phone photos and camera photos and videos taken?
Would we the public not be privy to where they parked in the lots? Where they sat in the arena? What they were wearing?
What if the arena was overtaken by a couple of Columbine like concert goers? This time knife wielding. Would the public not be asked to turn in all photos and video? Would we not know the last known movements of the criminals and their victims?
What if a celebrity’s or a political figure’s son or daughter was taken from the arena that night, under the same circumstances that Morgan was taken? Would we not have a detailed account of that person’s last known movements? Where they parked? Who drove? What they did running up to the concert? Would we not know every last detail starting from the last phone call home? Would we not know what friends went with them? What plans they initially had, and if there was any deviations from the plan?
Any of these and several more scenarios could have played out that night, in JPJ- Are we to believe that after 911 JPJ a new arena, was not keeping -storing -taking- any surveillance footage?
Why weren’t concert-goers asked to turn in their footage- Why was a job fair allowed to take place- at the same time valuable evidence was being looked for?
Red Ranger- I don’t understand- can it be as simple as they F-up? What are your thoughts? Anyone?