UVA Lacrosse Teammate Arrested For Murder of UVA Woman
Charlottesville, VA– Following a 2:15 am 911 call regarding a possible alcohol overdose, Charlottesville Police have arrested a UVA lacrosse player, formerly of The Landon School Team where1 of the falsely accused Duke Lacrosse team played in High School and 4 others were on the Duke roster.
George Huguely, from Chevy Chase, MD, has been arrested and charged with the first degree murder of fellow Lacrosse Player and UVA senior Yeardley Reynolds Love.
A source speaking on the condition of anonymity, has confirmed to blinkoncrime.com that Huguely is a member of the UVA Fraternity Delta Kappa Epsilon.
Love, a 22 year old Senior at UVA, was found by EMT and Charlottesville Police upon responding to a 911 call at the apartment she shared with team and room mate Kaitlinn Duff. It is not yet known if the call was made from the apartment or another location.
The apartment they shared at 14th NW is one block from where the Pantera shirt, confirmed to be that of murder victim Morgan Harrington, was found in November 2009.
Police have not yet released a cause of death for Ms. Love, but say her body showed signs of physical trauma.
Huguely has been committed to the Albemarle County Jail without bond pending his arraignment.
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Blink, if he tries to say that he was too incapacitated to understand, he would have to be able to prove it somehow…ie, he spent the night in a bar and ran up an enormous tab etc.
In order to have given him a breath test he would have had to have been doing something unlawful. He would have had to consent to it otherwise.
90 percent it was all videotaped as well.
His hair was found in the hole he punched. They could also have asked him to take one.
Agreed they went to is pad so no issue of driving or public DIP.
B
Gigi, what an honest post with outstanding advice. You were not rambling, you were speaking from the heart.
As people who read here know, I have expressed my dislike of what I consider baseless speculations. With regard to what was done to Yeardley Love, I can only say, ACCIDENT? I know Fran Lawrence as a good man. Thankfully, I have had no reason to know anything other than what I read about his expertise as a defense attorney. He is apparently one of the best in Charlottesville. If he remains as George Huguely’s attorney, it seems to me he will have a hard time overcoming the statements made by his client. I hope LE made sure they dotted every I and crossed every T.
I extend prayers and sympathy to both families. The death of a child has to be the worst pain a parent can possibly experience. To have that death occur through a senseless act of violence only compounds the pain. I cannot imagine what a mother or father must feel when they learn that their son or daughter has been arrested and charged with the death of another.
Not sure if being drunk is a valid reason for throwing out a confession.
Unless the confession was coerced(e.g.-trickery was used) or they denied him access to an attorney (after he asked for one)–it should be okay.
Hopefully the confession was recorded.
Peggy
Not on it’s own merit, no, I agree.
B
“She couldn’t be nicer, more pleasant, outgoing,” says Chaney Kent, owner of the Corner Market on University Avenue, where Love would visit a couple of times each week, always for a 12-ounce can of Diet Coke. “When a girl has a name like ‘Love,’ you don’t forget,” says Kent, adding that he was surprised that her petite customer was a collegiate athlete.
http://www.readthehook.com/blog/index.php/2010/05/04/diet-coke-angel-yeardley-love-made-a-big-impression
The Corner Market. That’s the market that I have been saying they found something in the dumpster. I could never remember the name.
Bel Air?
B
Has it been verified that Morgan’s purse was found by lacrosse players who were on there way to practice on Oct. 18th? I thought the team had a scrimmage in Maryland on the 18th? It doesn’t seem likely to me that they would have practice and a game (a double-header at that) 2 1/2 – 3 hours away in the same day.
Just curious about what kind of alibi GH might have for the 17th.
sueK says: May 4, 2010 at 6:46 pm
Wow. This is interesting…
• there was a lacrosse connection (as a group of UVA men’s lacrosse players reportedly discovered Morgan’s purse on their way to practice the morning following her disappearance.
from the latest Hook article
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Interesting. If true then that answers my question about whether they were in town on Oct 17. BUT, remember, they had a match in Annapolis on the 18th at 1pm. So did they really have time to come in that morning, go to practice and then make a 3+ hour trip to Annapolis? Or is Courtney confused and they actually didn’t practice that morning but instead found the purse when they met to leave for Maryland? Or were they the ones who actually even found the purse?
I can tell you as a fact that I attempted to verify that rumor and was unsuccessful.
Thus why I did not publish it.
I think that is an incredibly relevant fact.
B
I guess I should’ve read down to cvillenative’s post before I posted above.
Hope the University of Virginia will award Yeardley her diploma. Those who read and post here who are connected to the University might want to insist on it.
Apparently, I am being ignored. Not sure what line I crossed but I apologize and will refrain from posting on this site again.
My best wishes.
Ragdoll-
I am on deadline.
Your posts are moderated like everyone else’s.
This case is in rapid development, which I would assume you understand takes precedence.
My apologies.
B
Sorry, counselor: If there’s anything remotely akin to a threat on her computer/ e-mail account, then I’m afraid that 2nd degree is not likely, and certainly not voluntary manslaughter. If that’s the situation, then we can likely anticipate an Alford plea to mitigate the severity of the punishment. This is, in its early stages, reminds me of the Robert Chambers/ “preppy murder” in the late 80s- another big boy with a sense of entitlement gone awry.
I’m wondering what other information that Ms. Love had on her computer other than threats, if that is indeed true. If nothing else comes of this in relation to Morgan’s case, it at least bolsters the premise that college campuses are a breeding ground for this type of incident and scream for cultural reform much like the outreach and awareness building in which the Harringtons have been promoting.
According to the Washington Post….
A patrolwoman had to subdue George Huguely with a Taser during an altercation with him two years ago. He is charged with murdering fellow student Yeardley Love.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local.html
Yet not all was golden in Huguely’s career before his May 3 murder arrest. In November 2008, he was arrested for public drunkenness and resisting arrest in Rockbridge County, charges for which he pleaded guilty and received probation and a 60-day suspended sentence.
“He said: ‘I’ll kill you. I’ll kill all of y’all. I’m not going to jail,’ ” the arresting officer was quoted in her recall of Huguely’s alleged statements that night in a breaking story on WashingtonPost.com.
The Post quotes the officer as fighting Huguely until she Tasered him, a deed that “incapacitated him long enough for me to get cuffs on him. But that just pissed him off even more. He became a lot more aggressive.”
http://www.readthehook.com/blog/index.php/2010/05/04/huguely-v-lacrosse-murder-suspect-scion-of-prominent-dc-family/
He did not even remember it.
B
I can tell you as a fact that I attempted to verify that rumor and was unsuccessful.
Thus why I did not publish it.
I think that is an incredibly relevant fact.
B
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I think so too, especially knowing when they left. If they left Saturday evening then we can definitely rule him out. If it was Sunday morning then there will be questions. If a LAX player is the one to turn the purse in, then there will be bigger questions.
i was very impressed with chief longo on NG tonight.
i was up at cornell the weekend the mens lax team played uva and watched the game. the fact that i saw this creep in person makes me sick.
mag603 says:
“Why is so much released about this case and so little released in the Harrington case?”
I’d say it’s because LE was immediately able to make an arrest in this case and, essentially, resolve Love’s homicide – i.e. they executed a search warrant (now public), got a confession/statement, and charged their suspect with first-degree murder.
Morgan’s death (as far as we know) is still an unsolved homicide – there is little to release as far as “facts,” and a strategic reason (i.e., the investigation is still open and ongoing) to withhold info from the public.
Olivia –
I totally agree with, “the flaunting of the shirt indicates that the murderer was not experiencing pangs of conscience and in fact was extremely proud of his deed. Does the town/university grasp this? That a real psycho is in our midst?”
(bringing over Olivia’s post from the previous thread)
42. Olivia says:
May 4, 2010 at 8:13 pm
Thanks to those above who mentioned my posts. I think the two cases are very different–thus LE’s different responses. The UVA student’s murderer was quickly “sussed” and he has cooperated fully (so far). But I’m sure he’ll get a fancy lawyer. Also, her body and the place of the crime were found immediately. Morgan disappeared for several months, and there was no crime scene. TG her body was found! The psychopath who did this to her did not expect that. I don’t think this was a case of “wrong place, wrong time” for Morgan–because the flaunting of the shirt indicates that the murderer was not experiencing pangs of conscience and in fact was extremely proud of his deed. Does the town/university grasp this? That a real psycho is in our midst? LE does have a responsibility to make that more clear to the entire community. If more than one person is involved in this horrible crime, they are a small group of very toxic people who will likely rat each other out over time.
The rumor was definitely that a group of MEN’S lacrosse players found the purse? (The women did not have a preseason event that weekend.) The men’s Navy scrimmage started at 12:30 p.m. in Annapolis.
“he was arrested for public drunkenness and resisting arrest in Rockbridge County, charges for which he pleaded guilty and received probation and a 60-day suspended sentence.”
Why was he still allowed to remain a student at UVa? Should he not have been suspended for at least a year before being allowed back on campus?
CVa Native Away says:
May 4, 2010 at 8:35 pm
If nothing else comes of this in relation to Morgan’s case, it at least bolsters the premise that college campuses are a breeding ground for this type of incident and scream for cultural reform much like the outreach and awareness building in which the Harringtons have been promoting.
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I don’t get this at all. I would bet a billion dollars there are far more murders per capita off college campuses than on — far more. To have a college kid kill another college kid is a vanishingly rare incident which is why it is so shocking.
i know some of you have prob already seen this but i just wanted to bring it over from findmorgan.com from the poster named “Believe”:
http://findmorgan.com/forum/showpost.php?p=54841&postcount=463
“This is cut and pasted from DCUrban mom’s Private school forum, an anonymous message board, so take with a grain of salt, but I thought definitely worth sharing:Quote:
“A few points:
1. Word out of UVA women’s lax community is that Love was strangled. They think H***** was on coke and other drugs as well.
2. Have also heard that on at least one other occasion he had gone after her physically and had to be pulled off.
3. He may try to challenge his confession but (a) that rarely works; and (b) the kicking in of the door pretty much corroborates his confession AND takes away the “killed during rough sex” Robert Chambers Preppy Murder defense.
4. The “tragic accident” stance by the lawyer is most likely, as other posters have noted, an opening effort to get the charges dropped down from first degree murder. Legally it is not “accidental” if you are strangling someone and use too much force and they die–the only issue is his intent. Manslaughter would be what they would hope for but second-degree murder would seem to be the best they can do.
5. They will be working to (a) get the death penalty off the table; and (b) have an outcome of less than life in prison.”
Do we know what time that posted… looks a bit like an exchange I had several hours ago..
B
If it a group of MEN’s lacrosse players found the purse on their way to practice, maybe it could have been the club team.
http://www.wahoowire.com/2009/08/27/a-shout-out-to-club-sports-men%E2%80%99s-club-lacrosse/
B- re: Blackouts
(you noted:) “There is zero doubt in my mind this kid has no idea what is coming, if he even remembers what he did.~B”
Sounds like that and alcohol-fueled-rage is this dude’s MO. An effing epic tragedy that it took the death of Ms. Love to get him off the streets. Your mounting anger is certainly justifiable, B.
(Ragdoll, suz – thanks for bring the WaPost article to our attention… crikey.)
acho – re: good point (as usual)
“What does it say to everyone that this kid, seemingly smart, privileged, and wise to the system (having watched his teammates who went on to be defendants in the Duke case), offered up so much detail to LE post waiving Miranda rights?” (~acho)
B replied:
“I hope like hell they did not breathalize or test his blood before they took that statement.~B”
Here’s a question for you Legal Eagles: Is it feasible that the detective questioning Huguely did not inform him that Love was, in fact, deceased until after he admitted “an altercation” with her?
EEGADS.
YOU KNOW IT.
That said, good for CVille PD. They were within their rights by statute (Presumptively) regardless of whatever status they offered of the victim to the defendant.
Respectfully, this kid had better be on psych eval or suicide watch.
B
DO NOT POST! For Blink only.
Yes, I understand deadlines. I am not THAT inconsiderate of your time as you imply. May I add your time is not more valuable than mine!? What I don’t understand is why everyone else’s comments are posted, with your responses to boot!!!!!! Sooooo, what’s up with your deadline and THEIR comments? Further, you post and reply to the one comment that makes me look like an attention hog?!? Terribly manipulative Ms. Blink. No one else but you is privy to my comments. Seems deliberate. I cannot post here anymore since the trust I placed in you has been taken advantage of.
Contrary to what you think, I am not seeking attention or friendship from you. Let’s make that clear right now. I wanted to know where my posts are. To say I am skeptical and frustrated is an understatement.
I would like to believe I am one of the many many reasons why your site is successful. I believe I am entitled to the truth when I ask a reasonable question. WHY ARE MY POSTS NOT MEETING YOUR MODERATION STANDARDS ON THIS THREAD? I do not need you to put me in my place when it’s not warranted.
Bottom line, I walk away not understanding your response which makes no sense. Deadlines don’t seem to be an issue when it comes to moderating AND posting latter and in between comments (time stamps). My posts are affecting your deadlines? Just mine? I was born during the day but not yesterday.
Your intentions and efforts are incredibly honourable Blink. I hold that in high regard. Your manners, not so much. Now I’m understanding why some intelligent and knowledgeable contributors have taken their opinions elsewhere. When it comes to helping others, there is no room for egos. Deadlines or not.
Your apology is not sincere. It’s condescending. I know the difference.
Good luck with your endeavors.
PS. I have copied the page that included my commments. I’m not sure how you utilize your moderation function but the time stamps tell me my commments were most likely and intentionally deleted. WHY? I’ve seen this with other posters and it’s been met with defensive responses on your (justice4morgan for example). It would be nice to get a straight answer that makes sense. You initially struck me as a sensitive, compassionate and sharply honest person. That opinion has deteroriated over the past few months. We already have a Nancy Grace. It is just not the same here anymore.
This post is unedited, and in it’s entirety.
I am so completely over the “me” ness. Your comments were all posted. Save for the duplicates, every last one.
They were responded to, by more than me.
Sometimes, I shoot my mouth off because I have had a bad day, or other.
Embarassing, yes. The end of the Planet, no.
I have been forgive for it, much like I am doing right now.
Should you find yourself in a similar quandry, please know you are welcome.
Peace and Love,
The Other Nancy
ps. I would like to request that not a single defensive response gets posted to this. I meant what I said.
I keep trying to post and it is not showing up. Just trying to clarify that the Corner Market is not Bellair Market. Bellair is 2-3 miles west of Corner Market.
Concerned-
I see one post literally 2 minutes before this, did I miss something.
B
Did Huguely dispose of her laptop b/c he had been sending her threatening emails and he did not want that to be discovered in light of his brutal murder of her?
Do the drug tests include steroids?
The guy that supposedly killed the little Yale girl had taken those. I guessed that before it was stated. There maybe a special tests for those. He was kind of big.
6’2″ 220 per the stats.
Frequently, athletes that do not see the same level of play they are used to at the prep level, employ strategies to “get there”.
WTH am I missing?
I am an athlete (admittedly subjective).
I have children that are excelling in sports. We have promoted it of course, but I go with the strength, whatever that is.
I have trained with professional athletes, both of which were aholes that I never gave the time of day outside of practice. Trust me when I tell you the quest to be the omnipotent individual has nothing to do with a team sport.
Per scrabble, there is a me in team.
B
IF IT IS TRUE that members of the LAX found Morgan’s purse – then it is just about as eerie as Caylee Anthony being found on the property line between the homes of Zenaida and Gonzales (which I dont think was no coincidence) .
Without a doubt we have to know where GH was the night of October 17, 2009.
I am also very interested in knowing the condition of Morgan’s purse/ backpak. If it was leather and left in that lot from the previous night it should have been soaked/water logged- according to Skyler’s weather report. IMO I for one do not believe it was left there-only claimed to have been found there.
Oh BTW, What’s up with this? Is this New ? Or did I just miss it???
Blink, this was posted by Dunnah 4/25/10 on FM
Dr. Harrington confirmed yesterday there was a parking permit and Morgan’s car was parked near the cage. See the following link, post #46:
http://findmorgan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2743&page=5
Redly: don’t get this at all. I would bet a billion dollars there are far more murders per capita off college campuses than on — far more. To have a college kid kill another college kid is a vanishingly rare incident which is why it is so shocking.
I guess I could have articulated my point better (but did not for the sake of brevity), but my main point is that, as has been discussed on many an occasion here, that drugs and alcohol are far too pervasive on college campuses and the use of them far too often leads to sexual assault, not to mention impaired judgment or unbridled rage as was evident in what has been disclosed so far in this case. Does that outlook infer that there is not more random violence off-campus amongst the general populace? No. However, to turn a blind eye to what indeed does happen on university campuses (much of which is rarely reported, particularly in the case of sexual assault), in addition to society as a whole, is what I and others before me have been emphasizing.
That was taken out of context due to my lack of clarity. Thanks, Redly.
“… • there was a lacrosse connection (as a group of UVA men’s lacrosse players reportedly discovered Morgan’s purse on their way to practice the morning following her disappearance).” ~ CS/The HooK
B noted:
“I so did not think that would come out.”
I will hand it to Courtney, even I would not have published that without a source. ~B”
I’m guessing Stuart got a green-light from her editor to include that previously unreleased tidbit, as it was tangentially related to the point of her piece but unlikely to be confirmed by Wood/VSP… well, ever.
I’ll venture to guess that she was “informed” (maybe even erroneously) whom turned in MH’s purse last year, closer to the beginning of the MP investigation and – as it was info passed onto Stuart/an associate (i.e., not officially sourced) – The HooK has been sitting on it ever since.
The perp in Love’s similarly “brutal” murder being a member of the same team (informally) alleged to have come across Morgan’s purse the day after she was likely killed on/near campus must have been too much to resist.
… And, it either forces a response from UVAPD, or it goes uncorrected and stands as “fact” until disproved otherwise.
(The above = my two-cent contribution on the matter, which is wholly speculative, of course.)
I can only say we all heard it. I could not vett it to my comfort, which as you know, is saying alot.
B
Blink,
Please accept my humble apologies. Indeed, I understand your deadlines. I just didn’t understand why other comments were up but not mine. I’m sure this is an issue you find daunting. I should have known WAY better.
My last comment to you was extremely harsh and out of line. After investing unnecessary time into my brutal banter towards young, I went back….and low and behold, there are my posts. I did not go back to older comments. I feel horrible about my behaviour and the unwarranted attacks I made against you.
Well, to say I am ashamed of myself is an understatement. If ever I’ve learned a lesson about being patient and giving the benefit of the doubt, it’s right now.
Please forgive my inexcusable, wreckless thoughtlessness. I was and am out of line. I understand and sympathsize towards the anger and resentment you must be feeling right now
Respectfully and most sincerely, Ragdoll xo
You know what?
It’s ok.
Please read my new pub, available exclusively on Kindle:
The Art of The Apology.
It is 238 pages of avoiding one.
Kudos to you, that is integrity my friend, and I humbly say I regard that as the highest of honors.
B
Joe says May 3rd, 2010
Do you even know what Operation Smile is? Healing children’s smiles. Making the world a better place. I would guess he wass the UVA chapter’s VP at one point.
The Operation Smile Medical Student Association exits as a humanitarian and educational organization in which medical students from the University of Virginia may participate in a reciprocal relationship with Operation Smile International by providing support and additional personnel in both the USA and in other countries. The purpose of this organization is to educate medical students, the community, medical professionals and businesses about Operation Smile. To volunteer with local physicians, Operation Smile Chapter representatives, and the public school system to assist in providing reconstructive surgery to children in the United States and countries. To raise funds and/or donate supplies for stateside patients and Operation Smile medical missions. To provide and educational lecture to all interested medical students, area physicians, and health care providers. Also to ultimately assist medical professionals on Operation Smile missions to other countries by making available an elective to place 4th year medical students in clinical rotation under supervision of medical mission. During this elective 4th year students will serve hospital and clinic in developing areas of the world. Students will be exposed to places where the vast majority of people do not have access to rudimentary care and where disease and malnutrition are prevalent.
http://www.readthehook.com/blog/index.php/2010/05/03/uva-student-found-dead/
After investing unnecessary time into my brutal banter towards young…should read ‘towards you’.
Not too proud of myself
Hi all,
Haven’t caught up on all of the reading on this so I hope this isn’t a duplicate question.
I heard mention that Morgan’s shirt was found not far from where Yeardley lived. Does anyone know this for a fact? TIA
Ok, so we can say mebbe he blacked out (after having the wherewithal to ditch her incriminating pc), but what’s the explanation for the roommate who found her lying face down in bed in a pool of blood, esp. since she had to pass the kicked in bedroom door to get to her, calling it in as a possible case of alcohol poisoning/OD?
Just straight up shock?
Suz
as usual your thinking of everything, but no way that passes the legal def.
There is more to be told here.
B
To mjaboston:
According to Google World, the two locations are about 1/4 mile apart. I had read it was reported it was merely a block away- I don’t believe that’s true unless if the maps are not to scale or the addresses were not reported accurately.
Blink, I’m sorry, I don’t know what you mean by ‘Bel Air’.
I have heard the rumor that one of Morgan’s boots was found in a dumpster behind Central Market. That is the actual name of the market. Of course, this is only rumor.
lol probably a question I should not have answered.
B
I think I messed up my first slide show. Here, try this link for today’s photos of Morgan’s Rocks:
http://s1030.photobucket.com/albums/y361/juliemooly_2010_2/Morgan%20Rocks%20May%2004%202010/?albumview=slideshow
Breathtaking.
I commend you and O.
B
CentVA — thanks for the post. I agree with the alcohol/drugs comment and certainly think there is a significant acquaintance rape issue on college campuses (and probably the two issues are linked).
The Hook article mentioned another “similarity” between these cases as both victims having “crushing injuries”.
Do we know what types of injuries Morgan suffered, other than the quotes by Gil about “shattered bones” or fractures? I haven’t heard any specifics as to the types of injuries. How does the reporter know this, and is it true? Blink, do you know anything about where that comment is coming from? Crushing injuries to me suggest blunt force trauma. What does this mean pertaining to the theories of a gunshot wound or stabbing as COD in Morgan’s case?
I think Courtney does a good job in general, this, is not based on facts I am aware of.
B
B – in re: Deception in the course of interrogation
(you replied:) “They were within their rights by statute (Presumptively) regardless of whatever status they offered of the victim to the defendant.~B”
You’re quite correct – there is no law or regulation in the U.S. that prohibits LE from lying, making misleading statements, or from implying something false to the interviewee in the course of an interrogation. The Supreme Court has recognized this since the 1960s, interpreting the Constitution to allow for engagement in (limited-but-officially-sanctioned) deception in the course of a criminal investigation – referring to such contrivances as “strategic deception” (as opposed to the more controversial and appeal-hampered use of document fabrication to coerce a confession, which is currently considered a violation of due process).
Basically, the Court upholds that the appropriate standard in regard to “strategic deception” is an examination of the “totality of the circumstances.” Fits the bill here, if you ask me.
[*ching* The More You Know...]
Also pointed out:
“Respectfully, this kid had better be on psych eval or suicide watch. ~B”
I’ll second the motion. Huguely ain’t gettin’ no “suspended sentence” this time around – that’s fo’ Sure.
Oh, and B – to your notation on CS’s MH-YL correlation “revelation”:
“I can only say we all heard it. I could not vett it to my comfort, which as you know, is saying alot. ~B”
I can only say that, as a fellow journalist, I respect your (unto-now-unknown) decision in that regard. ‘Tis a slippery slope…
The Bel Air Market, known as the Gourmet Exxon to locals, is a delicious deli in a gas station down the road from the JPJ area. Very popular place. Had many sandwiches from there back in the day. Have not heard of a Central Market.
lizzy says:
May 4, 2010 at 9:33 pm
If it a group of MEN’s lacrosse players found the purse on their way to practice, maybe it could have been the club team.
http://www.wahoowire.com/2009/08/27/a-shout-out-to-club-sports-men%E2%80%99s-club-lacrosse/
*****
Good find Lizzy. I noticed that in that article you linked it mentioned that the season for club lacrosse is in the Fall. That could have been players on the club lacrosse team who found Morgan’s purse while on the way to practice Oct. 18th.
CentVA Native says:
May 4, 2010 at 10:17 pm
I also heard about a block away. (maybe a block is 1/4 mile in
“rural”?)
Thanks CentVA
GH definitely made the trip up to Maryland for the fall scrimmage. Here is a link to footage of the game: http://www.e-lacrosse.com/content/videos/2009/2009usava.php. He is number 11, and the first time I noticed him obviously is at 2:38. You can see him throughout the video after that. Virginia is wearing orange shorts. I have not been able to find anything about when the team left to travel to Maryland.
I really don’t think this is related to Morgan’s murder, but it is worth exploring.
What a gut wrenching 6 months. This just caps it off. Wouldn’t it be interesting if GH did have something to do with Morgan’s murder…at least we could maybe solve this horrific nightmare. What tragedies all around.
sunshine – re: “Believe’s” post on FM.com
(http://findmorgan.com/forum/showpost.php?p=54841&postcount=463 – “cut and pasted from DCUrban mom’s Private school forum, an anonymous message board, so take with a grain of salt…”)
I had not seen this, sunshine, so thanks for bringing what was brought over there… over here.
One point (No. 4) is worth addressing, for what it’s worth.*
“… 4. The ‘tragic accident’ stance by the lawyer is most likely, as other posters have noted, an opening effort to get the charges dropped down from first degree murder. Legally it is not ‘accidental’ if you are strangling someone and use too much force and they die–the only issue is his intent. Manslaughter would be what they would hope for but second-degree murder would seem to be the best they can do. …”
The DC-Urban-Moms poster is submitting a valid point here, in regard to Huguely’s lawyer’s current “stance.” That said, he’s got a steep legal climb ahead of him if the poster is correct in ascertaining his motivation behind such a statement.
In order for someone to be found guilty of first-degree murder, the state must prove that the person killed another person with malice aforethought, through willful action, *and* that the killing was premeditated. (It should be noted that the amount of time needed for premeditation depends on the person and the circumstances – it’s got to be long enough for the perp to have been fully conscious of the intent, and to have considered the killing.) A decision to kill made impulsively or rashly is *not* deemed by the justice system to be deliberate and premeditated – but, that said, a calculated decision to kill can be reached rather quickly, and the indicator is the *extent* of the reflection, not the length of time.
In Huguely’s case, even if in a rage, he allegedly made his way over to Love’s (unlocked?) apartment with a serious confrontation in mind (based on his breakdown of her locked bedroom door), and proceeded to “swing her by the neck” and pummel the poor girl’s head into the wall repeatedly until she was bleeding and unconscious, at which point – the crime scene indicates – he left her face-down on her pillow. The prosecution will need to prove that, in the course of beating her, he consciously proceeded to “finish the job” (for lack of a better term) with deliberate disregard for her life… even if that was a split-second decision.
A defendant is considered to have performed an act causing death “willfully” if he simply intended to kill – *no matter* how long he held that intention; i.e., even if Huguely did not expressly enter Love’s apartment set on ending her life, but (at some point) *deliberately* did so/knew the likely fatal consequences of such a savage beating, he could proven guilty of first-degree murder.
(*I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV.)
thank you very observer for arranging the pobox and placing my rocks at the memorial,and my condolences to the uva family,so sad.
Ragdoll….
For what it’s worth… I just wanted to say to you please do not be embarrassed or disappointed in yourself. As Blink said, on a bad day we ALL fly off the handle from time to time.
We get SOOOO heated sometimes about these cases that we follow day and night… I’ve gotten anxious myself waitin on moderation! LOL
No one here looks at you in ANY different light!!!
Blink- I hope this was ok to say… If not, please remove and accept my apologies for buttin in!! I do love you all and find you all very important!!!!!!
-Robbie
Blink, you’ve been subjected to attacks of all kinds. Never in my wildest dreams would I consider myself to be capable of such implorable accusations and unfounded character bashing. Blinksters, let me have it!!!! I will learn and grow from this for the highest good of all involved.
Blink, the golden rule is your verb this evening. Thank you for extending it to me. I will pay it forward!!!!! Precious few can find it within themselves to forgive. No one has perfected the act. I doubt I qualify for your good faith, but you’ve reignited my hope that there are people who are willing to preserve harmony within humanity. You are a dying breed!
I used this opportunity to teach my son about accountability. I showed him my post to you. Out of the mouths of babes. “What did she do to you for you to be so mean to her?’ My response…’momma made a grave mistake. I misjudged someone’s good intentions and said things I cannot take back. I will have to live with that remorse for years and years. Think before you speak my son! ALWAYS!!!!!!’ I went on to explain to him I made the biggest judgement error concerning a young woman trying to make a difference in the world. I should have been a friend and an unconditional supporter. I failed her miserably. How do I reconcile with this? I believe the innocence of my son will steer me back on the right path. I pray it will…..
Blink, you’re integrity, your passion and ability to move on procedes you…..to remain focused on the issue at hand is extraordinary focus and determination. No one, no obstacle will keep you from revealing the truth. The world needs you. End of story.
That being said, I will not post about moderations again. My ignorance clouded my ability to be reasonable. I know my comments aren’t golden. For some reason, today, I felt a ‘sense’ that this wasn’t about roids. I wanted to share my knowledge and very rarely to I get a chance to share valuable info. I guess you can say MY EGO proceded me.
I appreciate you posting my poison riddled comment to you. A lesson in humility is perhaps the corner storn to self revelation and higher understanding. I hope it inspires others to think before speaking. I hope even 1 person can learn from my damaging comments. When the part thinks it’s bigger than the whole, we have a weak link in the chain. This is a community, not a competition. MY LESSON!!!!
Blink, a quote from Robert Muller:
“To forgive is the highest, most beautiful form of love. In return, you will receive untold peace and happiness.”
The Nancy Grave comment….low blow. Again, I applaud your humour and graciousness. I don’t find it so funny….derogatory at best.
Sorry, so so sorry for my verbal diarrhea. I am my own worst enemy. I just need to journal my thoughts. Thank you all for bearing with me.
Finally, I want to be just like you when I grow up, Blink.
Did I say thank you for showing mercy and kindness to a complete lunatic? ( and if my thoughts are scattered and difficult to decipher, well, I’m not grounded atm. I will process this for days to come until I can make peace. I hope you can too Blink).
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Ragdoll, I think Blink has already forgiven you hun. EVERYone has bad days, or get’s mad. No ones perfect! I always try to remember that one. XoXo to B and Ragdoll for forgiveness and respect.