New Clues In Kyron Horman Search: Fact or Fiction- You Decide
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Portland, OR-Over the last week, much information has been developed about the extended families of Kaine and Terri Horman, and the circumstances with which Kyron came to reside primarily with them, visiting Mom and step-dad Desiree and Tony Young on monthly visits.
One thing that is not clear however, is how Terri Moulton Horman’s oldest son, 16 year old James, came to live with his maternal grandparents after living with the Horman’s until this past January. He now lives with his biological father who gave up his rights to him to Terri’s second husband, who stills pays child his support.
He is believed to have been on a Boy Scout camping trip with his father Ron Tarver and his half-siblings the weekend Kyron went missing.
By all accounts, and certainly by all photos, James and Kyron were *tight* brothers from another mother.
Although it has not been confirmed by Multnomah County Police, it is believed that the focus on Sauvie Island, and the surrounding area is related to cell phone pings from Terri Harmon’s phone the day of Kyron’s disappearance on Friday June 4th. According to family friend, Terri was asked to take a second polygraph this past Saturday, and was frustrated and tired at investigator’s questions as “she was where she says she was.”
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Frequently, in our team’s development of information and analysis on the cases I feature, readers and listeners ask my opinion on several items of information that I may not be prepared to release out of context. In some cases, they are working theories. It is however, how we handle our “war room” and take raw data to reportable data. This case continues to baffle so many, I thought I would take this opportunity to show our readership how we work behind the scenes. Pardon grammar in advance, these are actual excerpts from our collective work stations.
For obvious reasons, this is the collective work of the editors of blinkoncrime.com; the “raw” we discount or scrap is not included.
Priority Lead #1
Tanner Pumala, 8 year old desk-mate of Kyron Horman, was the last person to see BOTH Kyron and Terri Moulton. He is his self-professed best friend, and also his neighbor. His grandmother, Wendy Fuhrer, allowed him to speak to the press, although she was specifically asked not to. As he is a minor, it would require a signed release from his parent or guardian.
Finding of Facts:
No mention of his Mother, Lisa Fuhrer Pumala
Tanner’s account states that the substitute noticed Kyron was missing from the headcount. He said she alerted the regular teacher, Ms. Porter, who told her he was probably in the bathroom.
Subissue for Flagging:
There was NO substitute that day. She had been there Monday through Thursday. Why would he offer that specific account, and simultaneously say that Kyron told him he was headed upstairs to the “cool electic one”? As his deskmate, wouldn’t he interject that information?
He was interviewed by BOTH the FBI and MCSO, and asked not to release his information, but did anyway. Who or what really prompted this?
He remarks he did not see him on the bus, so the day goes by, including the talent show, with no further discussion of Kyron although he would not have been in the bathroom for several hours.
However, he states he was not aware Kyron was missing until that evening, when his DAD saw it on the news.
(Jason Mateos Notes: Could the duo simply have wandered outside together at the prospect of catching a live frog for the exhibit and accidentally fall in the pond and the child is scared.
Blink Response: Plausible only if Tanner unaccounted for, the pond is across the street, and they literally would have to go out of the parking lot, which was heavily occupied at the time. Project next to his is Pond Turtle, however.
The Fuhrer residence, on the market since April 2010, borders the Horman property, and extensive search efforts covered this property. Their is a white truck and camper located at the residence in the photos of the listing.
Brian Pumala, Tanner’s father is a plumber and recent electritian apprentice through JATC. He resides with one Ann Pumala on NW Mill in a houseboat on the channel. Quarry Rd, is directly behind his residence as well as the Quarry that was searched initially.
Finding of Fact:
From Blink notes: Pumala address is on Sauvie. In particular it is the start of the original start area for which MCSO requests video footage, and it has direct access to the channel, which has been a heavy search point.
Additionally folks– we have the investigative equivalent of “the closest distance between 2 points” here. Gram or “mom” Pumala is neighbor to Ky.
Non-custodial Dad, a former neighbor and presumed aquaintance, lives withing the perimeter of the focus of most of the search efforts, AND the alleged cell pings.
Priority Lead #2
Kaine Horman Email:
From: Horman, Kaine A
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 8:39 AM
Subject: FW: Kaine Horman’s son is missing
All,
If you have seen local Oregon news or been browsing the internet or FaceBook there is a good chance you have seen an article similar to the one that Becky forwarded (below). While this note is difficult for me to write in this state of mind I felt it necessary for Kyron’s sake.
Optional actions for you:
The Intel network is large and wide-reaching. Many have asked me what they can do to help us and my answer is the following:
1. Forward Kyron’s information to as many people as you feel comfortable with; the more people that see this will increase our chances of finding him
2. Do not speak to any media if contacted; I am trying to contact Intel legal to give them the heads up and help with this situation
Physical description at the time of his disappearance (picture is show in Becky’s note and here):
He is 3 foot 8 and 50 pounds, with blue eyes and brown hair. He was wearing black cargo pants, white socks, worn black Sketcher tennis shoes with orange trim and dark-colored t-shirt with the “CSI” show logo
Police Hot Line Number:
(503) 261-2847
Some rough background:
The article that Becky forwarded is pretty accurate with details. He was dropped off at school about 8:45 and went missing sometime between then and 9 or 9:30am. We did not know he was not at school until we went to get him off of the bus at 3:30 and he was nowhere to be found. The bus driver immediately called the school which responded that his teacher had not seen him all day in class, at which point we notified police in partnership with the school. It is still unknown whether he left school grounds on his own or was abducted. Be assured that there are currently an amazing number of agencies and amount of person-power being applied to the search and investigation.
Thank you all for the thoughts and prayers for Kyron’s safe return. I will update the group once status changes which will hopefully be soon. At the time of this note Kyron has now been missing for ~48 hours; time is of the essence.
Kaine Horman
Enterprise Business Architect
Intel Corporation
JM session notes: Bolded by Me. Dad states he went to the bus stop with Terri. Indicates both vehicles were at the residence, and in working order. What prompted his schedule to be home at that hour, would it be normal? Why is this the only account that features the Dad at the bus stop.
“in partnership” is odd wording. What does that mean exactly?
Priority Lead #3
Terri Horman call to school: When do the exhibits need to be picked up?
Blink notes: exculpatory. If your counting on a timeline that gives you until approximately 3:30PM, why would you risk the potential to raise the flag of Kyron’s absence. He was in fact, marked absent, although his things remained on his desk. SM calls and askes when the exhibits needed to be removed. In my mind, it is to see if she needed to also pick Kyron up that day, as he could not manage it himself on the bus.
Priority Lead #4
The questionaire released by MCSO and the FBI 
blinkoncrime.com editor JM, an experienced investigator and polygrapher, believes strongly there would have had to have been a deceptive response to necessitate a second poly. Blink notes: I believe strongly this is designed to progress leads in this case. My opinion as to “why” may be very unique. It is almost as if they want someone to believe she is a suspect, stopping short of naming her. Could they be hoping for someone to make contact with her. Admittedly, agreed on the deceptive response, but could she have exposed a bad guy to Kyron through her behavior or actions, but had nothing to do with his disappearance? Those images are FBI generated from an analysis they preformed on her behavior, no doubt in my mind.
blinknotes: I believe it possible the questionaire was requested for multiple reasons. Again, I cannot wrap around her. Put plainly folks-her profile does not match up to execution or strategy as we know it. I also believe this is designed to produce 300 exemplars. With the DA present while parents were to drop off their completed questionaires, I again think aloud– is there a convened GJ at the moment, in this case?
Also, what about this– it lets them capture the make, model, and plates of cars coming to the school with completed forms. Does our guy show up at 9am or 6PM on Father’s Day with kid in car, borrowed from someone, or does he send it with another parent?
Actual excerpt in work session:
*warning graphic* professionals need to de-sensatize in order to analyze.
Research/Investigstive Professional: Something is bad wrong is going on inside the Horman home without a doubt. I tend to look at folks who will not talk. Terri is simply acting odd. She has odd expressions. I mean effin odd; a self-centered nutcase. Unequivocally, yes, but she has an extensive track record of caring for kids. I would def buy her having an affair. If this is her, what kind of lame ass plot is this, in the first place. You drug the kid, you take him out on your own damn property, or closest body of water, and call the cops the next morning with your back door open and his foot trail still fresh. Say he has a history of sleepwalking. In that neighborhood, the critters would have him by then ( sorry, I know). This woman spend significant time with the school and his class. She had the baby in there, multiple times, knows all the kids by name. This is where she is going to take every risk and chance to off the child she has cared for since birth with no conceivable motive– no history of mental illness, and a facebook of loving family photos, several of which taken by her of a beaming Kyron? Not feeling it.
That said, it is connected to her in some way. Scorned lover? Unrequited affection of someone at the school? Kyron was chosen because of her?
Priority Lead #5
Terri Horman follows cases like these:
Priority Lead #6
The baby Kiara, was not with Terri and Kyron that morning.
JM notes:
I don’t know where dad was.
I do not know what he drove.
I don’t know when he left.
I do not know when he came home.
I do not know for sure he was even at work but it would be easy enough to document with ID swipes, etc.
I do not know where the baby was.
I do not know who was watching the baby.
I do not know why dad decided to come home early to meet the bus (and even that is in question.)
Where was she and is this normal routine?
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J2K I know they cannot outright pay someone, but there are ways of getting around that, like licensing fees. What I was alluding to was ABC giving the Anthony’s $200,000 and Joran’s constant feed of money from everything he offered. I should have been more clear.
Blink, J2K and all,
Regarding the glasses… I, too, think they are Kyron’s. I am hoping against hope that they were sent to show someone has him and he is alive. I don’t want to think the SM is involved, in any way, but logic dictates that someone very close to Kyron, who knew his fear of being without his glasses, decided to use/share this information with the perp, or is the perp. No struggle or noise at the scene…if the glasses were removed to keep him from identifying the abductor, wouldn’t they have done it in the school..wouldn’t he have put up a fuss? If you were trying to make it look like an abduction, wouldn’t you take the glasses off after the deed and perhaps mail them, to look like “proof” you had him? Maybe a note in disguised handwriting?
It would have to be someone very close to the situation to know his worst fear, is what I am saying. And it just gives me the chills. To know someone close to him, that he may have trusted, would turn it against him.
Littly Kyron has been on my mind and I have a couple of thoughts.
People magazine came out with an article this week. Most of it was from talking to Terri’s father. He said Terri was a wonderful mother to little Kyron. Not a negative word. But at the end the reporter asked him “what are the chances of Terri being arrested?”. He replied “50/50″. I found that odd.
My thoughts then went to if Terri had nothing at all to do with Kyrons disappearance then a terrible injustice has been done to her.
I am now wondering. Where was Bio mom the morning of the science fair? This was her son. Wouldn’t she be interested in his project?
How involved was she in Kyrons life other than every other weekend.
Sounds like Terri did most of the parenting. I hope we find out soon what happened to Kyron.
I feel strongly there is a concerted effort to detatch and downgrade Terri’s “ownership” to Kyron.
It is a message to someone.
Message is:
“You are not taking him away from Terri”.. “You are taking him away from those innocent to you, and of course, Kyron is innocent and his biggest fear is to be without his glasses, ”
B
ps. I cannot believe not one reporter asked if the glasses were Kyron’s. Floors me.
Do we know for sure glasses have been found? I haven’t heard it in the news. I thought it was odd that the mom brought that up as his biggest fear, then I read glasses have been found. Her comment makes more sense after hearing they might have been found.
The part where they say he’s had some trouble listening to teachers, thus the stranger danger talk. Does that strike anyone else as odd? They say how well behaved he is, then this is brought up. I am still wondering if he’s had resent behavior issues and SM had enough.
Ive been following this story since day one…it caught my attention the way they described all the events that took place that day…i really really hope kyron is found alive and safe…hes so full of life he was just beginning his life…im prayin everynight that he is found…i also believe that those r his real glasses..
i was reading a post from another website and someone pointed out a video on youtube…she said everyone should watch it….also u have to read the lyrics to the song that pertains to that video..
Here is the link to the lyrics
http://www.lyrics007.com/Train%20Lyrics/Calling%20All%20Angels%20Lyrics.html
here is the link to the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI4Vupq9yWs
Please watch it…tell me what you think…
in my opinion i think that kyron is callin all the searchers back to an area where they had already searched!!!
also the angel at the end shows a resemblance to kyrons bio mom desiree
I can feel the possibility of locking someone up on other charges to get them to talk….. as they have done in several other cases I follow on your site. Do you think the “uncle story” is at all related to this one?
Feel like I keep asking the same question…sorry for that. But I still am having a hard time accepting someone has him just to torment Terri.
What is the exit strategy? For kidnapping, the “out” is money. What is this person’s “out”? Drop Kyron off and go about your business? Or does this person want to get caught to twist the knife, play out their victim story of how terrible Terri is, etc? But how does a person commit this without an “out” in their plan? There obviously was a plan.
I’m sorry if this was explained somewhere in here and I missed it…I tried to find the answer but didn’t have any luck. That said…
I get your theory of the glasses. They do look worn. LE putting out a photo of Kyron without glasses. Desiree mentioning how much he needs his glasses. But what I can’t understand is why the police would go to the point of hiding the fact that they are really Kyron’s glasses.
Even if someone gave the family the glasses as proof of having Kyron, LE wouldn’t have to lie about the fact that they found the glasses, right? They could say they found them but couldn’t say where. In fact, it seems to me that it would be more beneficial for the public to KNOW that Kyron doesn’t have his glasses.
I just don’t understand why LE would go to the point of releasing a picture of a “replica” of Kyron’s glasses…what exactly would that do? I’m sure I’m not getting something…would you mind explaining? Thanks!
“Because that would be info only the perp would know.
Because the perception would be that Kyron may be deceased and possibly escalate a bad situation, or make someone panic, putting themselves or others at risk.
B”
I don’t buy that. Why even release a picture of the “glasses” and not an actual replica if that was the case? I don’t mean any disrespect – I am far from an expert – but unless I’m missing something, I just don’t see LE doing that.
Hey Blink, Why would a “friend” offer up the fact that Terri was taking a 2nd poly? Nobody even knew that info til she said something, right? Why would a “friend” deliberately offer up that info knowing full well it hadn’t previously been disclosed in the media? Terri, I’m certain, had already felt vilified/slandered in the media (unless she’s really guilty). Her “friend” had to have known that. Hence, why add more fuel to the fire? I mean, it’s not like she just let it slip out, she said Terri was taking a 2nd poly on purpose. “Friends” as well as acquaintances were asked to not speak to the media. I’m skeptical as to why Tanner’s gramma allowed him to be interviewed knowing she was asked by the fbi & le to not do so. I’m also skeptical of any friends that would offer up any info besides saying “I know her & she wouldn;t do anything to harm Kyron. She loves him.” Kwim? I personally would have just remained silent…would never in my life do that to a good friend of mine…not in a million years. Accidents such as these just don’t happen, it’s almost as if they made a concerted effort to get it out there. Why?
About the glasses –
Go with me for a minute, but remember Desiree’s letter that was published, wherein she said she couldn’t wait to run her fingers through Kyron’s long hair? What if the glasses and hair were sent to whomever as proof of Kyron’s abduction, etc?
I’ve always found that part of her statement odd.
Blink says:
I feel strongly there is a concerted effort to detatch and downgrade Terri’s “ownership” to Kyron.
It is a message to someone.
Message is:
“You are not taking him away from Terri”.. “You are taking him away from those innocent to you, and of course, Kyron is innocent and his biggest fear is to be without his glasses, ”
B
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I will admit I hadn’t thought of this quite like that. But it is a strong possibility in my mind. But I still don’t get the fact that if LE feels this is a case of someone taking Kyron to hurt Terri, she must be denying knowledge of who this person could possibly be.
Now, maybe it is some psycho stalker that she had no idea about.
BUT, what do we make of all the other questionable behaviours thus far?
Why stop searching for him?
Wouldn’t they have to know who they are sending this message to? And if so, why aren’t they on that person in a more direct way?
I have a feeling that the reporters were given a list of questions they could ask, or some guidelines about the types of questions they could ask.
I thought Kaine looked pale, pained, and terrified. Desiree tears show she is desperate and terrified; but agree that she may not know all the details.
Lifting up lil man Kyron & amnd praying that the Lord help bring Kyron home.
One thing I noticed in looking at the link to Terri’s June Facebook is that you can go to her current profile picture which is her, James, Kyron and Kiara, who is a few months old. Terri looks dramatically different, much thinner (recently post baby) and younger. Clearly something has been up for the past year or so. She was stuffing feelings with food, looked bloated and was spending a LOT of time on the computer. Maybe she was drinking a lot again, it can cause bloat. But even in the pix before Kyron disappered, Terri looks almost like the mother of herself a year younger. What was going on?
I am a SAHM and I know a few folks who have really kind of come unglued with the isolation, drudgery and lack of social and emotional support. A baby is very gratifying, a toddler is defiant. An unhappy teen is a totally different challenge. Kyron may well have had something like ADD, the “dreamy, doesn’t follow directions” descriptions fit and he was W sitting in some pix with Kiara, very unusual for an older child. Typically if the brain is different in some ways it is different in other ways. I have a child like that myself and they can be really difficult to live with, particularly if you are not the most patient person or if you are super concerned with appearances and think that their challenges seem to be a reflection on your parenting, or a lessening of the perfect picture.
As someone else has posted I think Kyron may have been the way to hook Kaine and I think Terri may have thought that life would be more her cup of tea just her, Kiara and Kaine. I don’t necessarily buy that volunteering at his school was all about Kyron, it was also about her career and gave her a social outlet. Same with the Tree Frog project, it was about how it reflected on her. Some narcissists like careers like teaching, they are the center of attention and get all the adulation from the kids. I think her Facebook projected the life she wanted people to think they had, lots of my friends come out and say so. Still can’t forget the “lewdconduct” emails. If they were into things like swinging I think it predated Kaine. Just my 2 cents. Very interested in the houseboat owner, wonder if he has any criminal charges and what exactly their relationship was.
That some people have a different opinion of her fits with my experiences with narcisists and one sociopath, they show different faces to different people. I think that Terri is an extremely damaged person, always in search of something to focus on to distract herself. Sometimes mental issues worsen as women head into menopause. Regardless of what happened to Kyron, I think that Terri is and has been into a lot of freaky stuff that is totally in contrast to her as the doting mom and stepmom. Under enough pressure after the disappearance the cracks started to show. Her computer addiction kicked up a notch and she was no longer able to guage whether she was seeming “appropriate”. I truly hope that she shares all she knows soon!
The glasses. I wonder if it was all planned ahead of time to return them. Maybe Terri mailed them herself. Or she knows who mailed them (if they were in fact mailed).
If someone has Kyron and he’s still okay, that person would almost be a hero of sorts to return him unharmed. Just walk into the police station with him…shows that deep down the person has some good in him/her and just couldn’t bear to harm a child. This person would of course become famous, would be interviewed for years to come, would have books written about him/her, etc.
Do you know if the authorities on this particular case are taking tips from the hot line that are from psychics/intuitives, etc just as seriously as other callers?
J2K says:
June 25, 2010 at 10:09 pm
-snip-
I am having a hard time taking seriously the thought that a person known/unknown to Terri and/or Kaine would be lurking in the shadows of this tiny school (where everyone seems to know one another), and stalking the mommy-son pair as they walked toward Kyron’s hallway – counting on Terri, a known parent-helper at Skyline, to walk away from her child before he reached his classroom – so he/she could, ostensibly, scurry unnoticed right after the boy before he reached his class, either snatching him up/racing out of the building (with no witnesses!) or approaching him before he reached the classroom door and quickly convincing him to leave the building with him/her, vanishing from the grounds with Kyron and without a trace.
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I agree 100%. My common sense meter is having trouble coming to any other obvious conclusion. I don’t claim to know what Sm’s motivation may have been, but I cannot eliminate her from having some kind of hand in fostering the disapearance of this cute little boy. I have tried to leap to other scenereos and am not buying my own thoughts. Though I am concerned that Blink isn’t ‘feeling it’, but that may be due to her having info we do not? And at some point I will make the leap to her actively assiting LE in safely returning Kyron to his loved ones.
By the way fellow posters- great posts by all!
Note to self: Keep self tanning creme application to a minimum. lol!
Terri has too much explaining to do. When your child goes missing you should have a completely straight story so that LE can eliminate you as a suspect and move on.
Terri has to explain (probably more than we know) about why she mislead the teacher into believing the doctor appointment was for Friday, the 4th, why her story doesn’t match her cell phone pings, why her cell phone pinged on Sauvie Island, why she Facebooked “hitting the Gym”, why she went to the gym, why she avoids the media (who could get the story out to find her stepson), why she didn’t call 911, why she didn’t go to the school to look for Kyron and why she is so “frustrated” with LE questioning.
I have never followed a kidnapping case, but seem to be tuning in to something off about this one. I work full-time as an Intuitive, but have made it a rule that I do not work in the missing persons arena. However, I had a very clear vision of a man involved in the disappearance – one of the strangest things was that he appeared to be a small person, or dwarf. I have kept all of this to myself, but happened to see a photo on this site that hit a nerve. Wondering who the fellow with the guitar is, and what his connection to Kyron is. Thank you.
Any insight on the whereabout of Kyron on those last 15 minutes, with the “Electric” project? This is such a small window of opportunity, it is hard to fanthom a stranger is lurking or involved. Speculation leads me to belive a person very very close to Kyron is involved. In retrospect, no Amber Alert, because it is is stated this is “an isolated event.” Reading between the lines, the community should not be worried.
@D.A. says:
June 26, 2010 at 12:09 am
@RE: crimewriter says:
June 25, 2010 at 11:27 pm
“(snip)I was thinking along the lines of it being Kaine and Intel wanting to advance that ‘chip your child’ idea. (snip) Intel being one of the leaders in the field of technology and all that. I wouldn’t have thought of this had Kaine had some other career, like being a contractor or something.”
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IIRC, the microbiology scientist in Maryland who committed suicide last summer by acetaminophen O/D was investigated by the FBI & was about to be arrested (after years of scrutinizing his coworker @Ft.Detrick, Dr. Hatfill) for the Anthrax poisoning of 2001 in the Mid-Atlantic region did it b/c “THE VACCINE HE’D DEVELOPED WAS FAILING IN REPUTATION, & WAS LINKED TO “GULF WAR SYNDROME”.” At the time, the Washington newspapers reported that he’d been connected with a group privately developing an antidote which he’d profit enormously, so he was using death & fear to market it.
“In August 2008, Department of Justice and FBI officials announced a breakthrough in the case and released documents and information showing that charges were about to be brought against Dr. Bruce Ivins, who took his own life before those charges could be filed.”
http://www.fbi.gov/anthrax/amerithraxlinks.htm
Investigative Summary: http://www.justice.gov/amerithrax/docs/amx-investigative-summary.pdf
In conclusion, it’s quite possible that this would be advanced as a motive….of course, Kyron would be found alive with adequate time for fear to develop to ensure marketing would be successful. And, it’d take quite some time to investigate in the aftermath to make a connection, as D.A. mentioned.
JMHO.
**@zeus = thank you for that…i know we all get caught up in the emotion.
**@minima = no, i don’t confuse Trisomy Syndrome with mental illness, & i wasn’t speaking to the technicalities w/in the DSM-IV diagnoses, which generally the public isn’t interested in or get confused about. suffice to say that most people associate schizoid, bipolar/manic/depressive, clinical depression as MI, while not associating personality disorders as MI….so when MI is mentioned as being the “boogey man who abducted somebody” it isn’t the personality disorder that’s thought of, it’s the schizoid or psychotic…& that’s patently unfair. that’s my point.
It seems to me that the rules for Amber alerts should be changed. When a child is missing, a least a description of the child and what they were wearing and where they disappeared could go out on an Amber alert.
May be the child may be spotted at a gas station, along the road or somewhere else just based on their description.
The idea that an Amber alert cannot be sent out just because you don’t have a vehicle description seems silly.
correction: boy! has time flown by!! it was 2 summers ago when Dr. Ivins O/D’d & the FBI closed the case…not last summer. sheesh! seems like yesterday…
@elizabeth.. in regard to your question about the bio mom on the day Kyron went missing or why she didn’t attend the science fair; I guess LE must be satisfied with her whereabouts on that morning since according to this news interview they haven’t searched her home or car yet or asked to search them..
http://www.kptv.com/video/24037923/index.html
The People magazine for June 28-July 5 does not have any comments by TH’s father. There are no comments that state her father thinks she has a 50/50 chance to be arrested. I am looking at the magazine as I am typing.
@Novice -
is there a post office on sauvie island? the person who knows Kyron’s eyeglass prescription (strength) are the 4 parents – incl. SM. Perhaps SM removed the glass from his pair after whisking him from the school that morning, put it in an envelope & mailed it back (w/some threatening letter, thereby creating a need for LE protection 20/7 & thus her “post-abduction” alibi &/or pointing the finger elsewhere)..or handed them off to someone who would mail it for her.
very interesting point you bring up.
Kaine Horman logically knows more than everyone else because he lives with Terri. Whether or not she is involved, Kaine knows her reaction to each event, the additional polygraphs, the flier, and how she is behaving every minute of every day.
On the other hand, only a true psychopath could commit such a crime. Many times psychopaths are so good at hiding their true personalities that they can even pass a polygraph.
Q: if their media tour yesterday was to downplay SM’s involvement & highlight Kyron’s Bioparents, is the person involved in Kyron’s disappearance PERHAPS someone who caught wind of SM’s “lifetyle/intimacy choices” and perhaps being religious (not a bad thing ordinarily, just channeled negatively in this case), set-up SM to give Kyron, or took Kyron directly, for Kyron’s protection? So LE knows the who, the why, the how, but not the where.
From the Oregonian story: “They said they think search teams were frequently spotted on Sauvie Island because Kyron’s been on several field trips there, and his family visits a pumpkin patch.”
When I heard Kaine say this I was floored. Is he really in that much denial that he isn’t thinking about what this statement implies? Given this reasoning, the only two reasons to look on Sauvie would be that someone from the family took him there or Kyron wandered there by himself – something they said he would never do. What an odd statement.
My first thought upon reading Blink’s belief that the glasses are Kyron’s: they were found on the bank of the Columbia on Sauvie Island. But then, why look at the pond near the school and leave Sauvie Island?
@Andy: Thanks for the link. That makes sense, or it least it “fits” in the situation I observed.
@Angela_NW & TR:
Re: the profile pic. Thx for checking. I see what I was missing. When I just looked at the thumbnail profile pic, Kyron and James are cut in half, but if I click on it, the full picture shows both of the boys.
this newspaper is saying the glasses are a replica of Kyron’s
http://www.koinlocal6.com/Photo.aspx?content_id=302e3e0f-4a28-42eb-825a-3cb75b9146e1
I don’t say much about Terri because all I really know
about her was told by her so called friend
Jaymie Finster
I do know a woman who got a DUI and her whole
life turned
the fines and fees nearly broke her
she has to go pee in a bottle at a moments notice
when they call
it is not anything anyone wants to happen
to them
I can guess having a kid in the car even made
it worse
kryon looks well cared for by all the pics I have
seen
but I did call all my family and tell them to
get their kids pics private on FB
most of them already had. I am proud of them
this is not pretty world. Sad
Does anyone know if Kyron had more than one pair of glasses? An old pair perhaps? A pair that the perp could have gotten ahold of? Then the newer glasses get sent back to the family but Kyron is wearing the old ones? Ok far-fetched but then this whole case is far-fetched.
Did they find Kyron’s glasses?? What gives with the remarks about his glasses?
Any insight on the whereabout of Kyron on those last 15 minutes, with the “Electric” project? This is such a small window of opportunity, it is hard to fanthom a stranger is lurking or involved. Speculation leads me to belive a person very very close to Kyron is involved. In retrospect, no Amber Alert, because it is is stated this is “an isolated event.” Reading between the lines, the community should not be worried
Please respond to my inquiry.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31355889&id=1419036387#!/photo.php?pid=31355890&id=1419036387&fbid=1500275073039
Here is the article where someone’s father says there is a 50/50 chance that she will be arrested.
justanothermom,
I keep hearing about the “lewdconduct emails” that are linked to Terri, but can’t seem to find what they were actually about. Do you have a link? Sorry if this has already been posted somewhere..I just can’t find any info on it…
Do we know anything about Kyron, as far as his health? I know they said he has very poor vision, but does he have behavior issues, Autism, or any other health issues?
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Kyron’s mom Desiree make a comment on one of her live interviews yesterday, that they had to talk to him about behaving in class or something. That is highly paraphrased as I don’t remember her exact words. I think it was also mentioned about how he has a friend in class that he gets into trouble with… so could be some behavioral issues. Enough to warrant a dr. appt.? Unknown.
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Re: Kaine. Wow, every time a new story comes out, there’s like, a new story to his whereabouts that day. Why, in various live tv interviews, did he not mention he was at home during the afternoon. On NBC, CBS, ABC, all he said was that he last saw Kyron before he went to work that day, no mention of coming home half-way thru or anything. Not saying it’s necessarily suspicious, but why leave that out in various interviews?
As to SM. Well, it’s very weird that claims were made that she knew Desiree and was some kinda great friend, prior to getting involved with Kaine, and to find out that was a lie? Wow. That sends up some red flags. So, what are the odds that SM was already involved with Kaine, when Desiree was pregnant with Kyron, and that is why she filed for divorce at 8 mo. pregnant? Otherwise, we have no idea how SM met Kaine, and ended up living in his house; but the claim that it was all just platonic at first, seems highly unlikely at this point. Perhaps Kaine and Terri were involved, and she used Desiree’s illness and Kyron’s needing looked after as some kind of “in” to get herself into Kaine’s house.
It would make sense to me. They’re involved, Terri wants more, the opportunity presents itself for her to help Kaine, so she offers to move in and take care of Kyron; which makes her look good and self-less, but in her mind it’s ingratiating her to Kaine; because she’s willing to put her whole self into taking care of his child. Her bringing her own son in, they’re bonding like a family, even if they maybe aren’t at that point. Terri gets to be the only mother Kyron really knows at that point possibly (since Desiree wasn’t seeing him all the time, and since Kyron was still really young). Terri brings up the idea of marriage; or maybe Kaine feels like it’s the best for his son — or hey maybe he really did fall for her.
Shortly after, she gets pregnant with baby Kiara (round about the time that Kyron was starting to get more visitation with Desiree maybe?) And with a new baby to bond them together, maybe Terri decides she doesn’t really need Kyron anymore; doesn’t need to play mother, when he bio mom is back in the picture moreso, and Kiara is her way to keep Kaine on the hook? Maybe Terri thought with Desiree remarried and in better health, that she would take Kyron back and leave Terri to have her little family with Kaine and Kiara? It’s odd the timing on Terri’s son moving out and eventually back to his bio dad. Maybe Kaine didn’t want to relinquish primary custody of Kyron. Maybe he and Desiree decided that it was best for Kyron to stay in a school where he had good friends, and in a home he was happy at, rather than uprooting him.
I have to say, despite the plethora of interesting info that has come out in recent days; including the possibility of an affair or open relationship type deal, the most plausible and simple explanation to me still is that SM Terri decided Kyron was an inconvenience in her life, and finding no other way to get him out of the house (like she maybe did with her bio son), she did the unthinkable.
WTH??????
Zeus says at 1:53 a.m.:
38.zeus says:
June 26, 2010 at 1:53 am
Hey J2K, I know what you mean, the mind just boggles at the range of possibilities-and more coming every day! Thanks for always being so respectful of mine and others ideas!
Personally, I’m voting for: (11 D.A. says:
June 25, 2010 at 10:27 pm.) The theory that has Kyron safe and a child chip plot under way sounds great. Mostly because it ends with Kyron coming home alive! We can always hope!
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Well I just spent about two hours of my life-that I can NEVER get back-looking into the swinger’s lifestyle in Portland on websites, facebook and myspace. I know things I really didn’t want to know now and I am not a prude by any means. But I do have some tips for all the people who have put their lives on display on these sites.
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1. DO NOT use your photo with your child in it for your profile picture on those sites. Damn, I thought that would NOT have to be said! There were even a few with Kyron’s picture(the missing poster profile pic)-WTH are these idiots thinking? Really? Seriously? Do they think everyone who visits these sites are sweet, wonderful people looking for sex with consenting adults only? NOT! When it comes to your precious children you better rethink what you are doing!
2. If you are going to swing, and visit places where sex is the theme du jour-you might want to think up a way for your picture to stay private or use a cartoon caricature-seriously! You put it out there-it’s public-it searchable-it’s being looked at for far more than you can ever imagine!
3. If you want to roll with the free loving crowd-you may also want to stop and think of the effects it may have on your kids in so many varied ways. Least of all, embarrassment, if and when your kids find out-most of all, if someone uses you to get to your kids and you have no clue because you are in lala land-getting off with people you know nothing about! So that orgy you just performed in may have had a SO who could care less about you, but is REALLY interested in your daughter or son who is on your profile pic for your chosen swingers club!
Consenting adults-go for it if you want-I don’t care what you do. But once you brings kids into the equation, by having your “get-togethers” at your homes, or their pictures easily viewable on your social networking sites with sexual themes-then you have crossed the line into unacceptable and dangerous! You are asking for big trouble.
TARHEEL COMMENT: are you stating as fact,in bullet #1, that you found picture(s) of Terri and/or Kaine on a swingers website and that the picture(s) you found also include Kyron? If so, could you please provide the source?
TARHEEL COMMENT: in the last paragraph you state “But once you brings kids into the equation, by having your “get-togethers” at your homes, or their pictures easily viewable on your social networking sites with sexual themes-then you have crossed the line into unacceptable and dangerous!” Did you find proof that this was the case for Terri and Kaine? were they hosting such gatherings at their home? If so, could you please provide the source?
@Angie says:
June 26, 2010 at 1:05 pm
“…Many times psychopaths are so good at hiding their true personalities that they can even pass a polygraph.”
Oh so true. I think that the sociopath I knew might have believed his lies as he was telling them, at least the ones that fell into the self-aggrandizement category. I heard him twice tell someone he was with LE, and of course, who would lie about something like that, so they believed him.
Anyway, there is much unknown about the anti-social personality/psychopath/sociopath, and I don’t pretend to know much and wish I knew less than I do, but given this situation, it’s the only stand-alone Terri argument that makes sense to me. That said, Blink seems to know more than she can say, and she seems to be leaning towards perp with Terri issues, so I lean that way, too, just because I know I don’t know.
happen, it’s almost as if they made a concerted effort to get it out there. Why?
blue says:
June 26, 2010 at 11:16 am
“About the glasses –Go with me for a minute, but remember Desiree’s letter that was published, wherein she said she couldn’t wait to run her fingers through Kyron’s long hair? What if the glasses and hair were sent to whomever as proof of Kyron’s abduction, etc?”
Actually, I think she said “short hair” which would make even more sense if the person cut his hair and mailed it to the family. Poor little Kyron. I just hope this means he is still alive and as safe as a child can be after being held three weeks by someone who is obviously a sick, sick person.
I’m still perplexed at Desiree’s word choice during interviews yesterday. She said she is “a little scared at this point” with 3 weeks now passing since Kyron’s disappearance. Many have commented on this, thinking is she in denial about the reality of the situation, etc.. But it may mean something very different.
The family has let LE handle everything…they speak when LE tells them to, they don’t search themselves but leave it to certified searchers, etc. And now it seems maybe something has gone wrong. It seems very plausible that the family and LE know who took him and how…as Blink noted…but not where. And in addition to locating Kyron, the investigation has been about building a case against this suspect. On 6.18, Gates noted that they are being very careful with this investigation to make sure it is “perfect”. You only need a perfect case when you are going to prosecute it. Bringing someone home does not have to be perfect. But a case does.
But it now seems smoking this person out to return Kyron has hit a snag. And now it’s 3 weeks later, and no Kyron. And now the parents are starting to panic. Just a thought…
“However, I had a very clear vision of a man involved in the disappearance – one of the strangest things was that he appeared to be a small person, or dwarf. ”
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Well, I believe Sauvie Island has something to do with the “little people” from the TV Show Little People, Big World. Someone said they have a pumpkin patch on their farm,that is open to the public; and Kyron’s family has been there. So, if you’re seeing something related to a little person, perhaps that’s all it is?
Anyways, I read somewhere in the posts here that Wendy Fuhrer (Tanner Pumala’s gmother and guardian) is having her house forclosed on? So, maybe there’s a theory of someone holding Kyron for ransom? If so, I suppose it could explain someone sending his glasses to the family.
Not accusing by any means. Just saying that if someone needed a quick buck; and the fact that Tanner is Kyron’s deskmate, and the one who supposedly saw Kyron wander away alone… Plus the Sauvie Island connection…
Long shot I’m sure. I can’t imagine anyone would be so dumb as to be a neighbor with a huge debt (which is probably common knowledge) to take a huge chance in staging a kidnapping like this.
I haven’t really seen anything, but maybe I’ve just missed it. Does anyone know if there is a reward for information or the return of Kyron If so, did Kaine’s employer contribute anything towards it? I mean, I would think a big company like Intel would do something like that.
I really don’t have any idea what kaine was talking about
when he said getting things together after Kyron
returns but if I said it
I would mean that some serious changes were
going be made to insure child safety
at our home in our home and elsewhere
in the future
Kyron was not kidnapped. Besides all of the challenges to the SM’s story, LE would not have held a daily news conference providing information about the FBI’s involvement, thousands of SAR workers, and dozens of out-of-area police officers searching everywhere for Kyron. LE would have been as quiet as possible in an attempt to not frighten the kidnapper holding Kyron. If Kyron had been kidnapped, the only chance he would have to live is if the kidnapper did not feel threatened with being caught by LE. Once a kidnapper feels threatened, he/she disposes of evidence (Kyron). This is not a kidnapping, but someone may have tried to “spin” it as a kidnapping.
Re: Andy @ 12:52 p.m. – I was wondering if perhaps the information from Terri’s father about her having a 50/50 chance of being arrested had been held out of magazines being distributed in the pacific northwest? Or if that is even possible. I’ve read that comment in several different places so went out of my way to look at the article – and as you say, there is nothing like that in the article. Don’t know where you are located. I’m here in Portland, OR.
Prayers for Kyron and those who love him.
Thanks, Blink, for not letting go of this story.
At “oneshoot:”
well, we are in complete agreement then! because i see a serious personality disorder here myself, which i also classify as mental illness, as you seem to and i am sure the dms-iv does as well. and, also, personally, i think they can be most dangerous…because they are difficult to treat and often go undiagnosed. i think i just wanted to be clear that one doesn’t have to be “diagnosed” with a MI in oder to indeed have one…
In the KGW 20 minute, full length interview, kaine does say something alony the lines of, ‘when kyron is home we can put the pieces of us back together…’ i just wanted to give my insight to that because i saw people on here thinking that’s some code or message to terri and i just don’t think that’s the case. maybe that’s the context it may have appeared in the edited version but in the full-length one i think it’s clear they are talking about themselves, because they are consumed and broken individuals, and only when kyron comes home will they be able to even begin to think about life returning to “normal.”
also, in the interviews i watched, i definitely saw that they were separating themselves from terri. with desirees comment about not knowing her before her and kaine got together, to kaine, saying, ‘he can’t speak to how terri is coping…’ that seemed very much like, ‘don’t group me with her, she’s on her own, keep me separate.’ also, whenever terri was brought up they both sucked air like it was a great source of tension; i mean as opposed to letting a breath out like, “god, here we go again…’ but more like, big breath, ‘yeah, terri…we’d like to know too and what we do know we can’t say.’
Also, something that people have been pointing out is that desiree seems to know less than kaine, i couldn’t agree more, she kept looking at him and he really didn’t look at her and when asked if they were being kept in the dark desiree seemed to genuinely feel, that, yes, absolutely she didn’t have all the information and kaine looked a little guilty – not “guilty” but that he knows at least something more than she does. additionally, kaine seemed so well versed and scripted. i mean i have to hand it him for handling it so well, he was excellent at diverting questions he didn’t want to answer and so on and so forth.it certainly made me feel like he does know more or else he couldn’t keep his mind so focused. he seems to have a very good undertanding how vital it is to the invetigation to keep on track. where desiree just didn’t seem to know what to say at times and often looked at kaine to answer the more complex questions. like the sauvie island question that, “kaylee” brought up, i thought it was an odd answer too, but i also thought it was a rehersed one, no i don’t think that’s why they are looking there and i don’t think he does either.
one more thought, i thought that mike donahue’s interview (on loin 6) ith them was so tasteful, i was really moved. of course we all want to know the information about ‘what happened’ but for them to really talk to them and ask questions about kyron was very honorable and i am totally impressed by their integrity on that.
i just have to say looking at all those pictures with none of terri (possibly because she has counsel) and the interview, she’s definiately a POI. am i right? i am seriously, if she was just getting a raw deal here being “harrassed” by the police simply because she was the last person to see him, no, it’s got to be more than that.
ok, sorry, just one more thing, i also found it really interesting that kaine completely denied anything regarding to facebook prior to kyron missing. that he simply had no knowledge of facebook usage, comments or otherwise after his disappearance obviously, this can’t be true. but in his denial it tells me that her activity on there is part of the investigation he can’t talk about.
***correction to my last post…i meant the KOIN 6 interview with mike donahue, not loin 6. and my appologies for other typo’s : )