New Clues In Kyron Horman Search: Fact or Fiction- You Decide
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Portland, OR-Over the last week, much information has been developed about the extended families of Kaine and Terri Horman, and the circumstances with which Kyron came to reside primarily with them, visiting Mom and step-dad Desiree and Tony Young on monthly visits.
One thing that is not clear however, is how Terri Moulton Horman’s oldest son, 16 year old James, came to live with his maternal grandparents after living with the Horman’s until this past January. He now lives with his biological father who gave up his rights to him to Terri’s second husband, who stills pays child his support.
He is believed to have been on a Boy Scout camping trip with his father Ron Tarver and his half-siblings the weekend Kyron went missing.
By all accounts, and certainly by all photos, James and Kyron were *tight* brothers from another mother.
Although it has not been confirmed by Multnomah County Police, it is believed that the focus on Sauvie Island, and the surrounding area is related to cell phone pings from Terri Harmon’s phone the day of Kyron’s disappearance on Friday June 4th. According to family friend, Terri was asked to take a second polygraph this past Saturday, and was frustrated and tired at investigator’s questions as “she was where she says she was.”
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Frequently, in our team’s development of information and analysis on the cases I feature, readers and listeners ask my opinion on several items of information that I may not be prepared to release out of context. In some cases, they are working theories. It is however, how we handle our “war room” and take raw data to reportable data. This case continues to baffle so many, I thought I would take this opportunity to show our readership how we work behind the scenes. Pardon grammar in advance, these are actual excerpts from our collective work stations.
For obvious reasons, this is the collective work of the editors of blinkoncrime.com; the “raw” we discount or scrap is not included.
Priority Lead #1
Tanner Pumala, 8 year old desk-mate of Kyron Horman, was the last person to see BOTH Kyron and Terri Moulton. He is his self-professed best friend, and also his neighbor. His grandmother, Wendy Fuhrer, allowed him to speak to the press, although she was specifically asked not to. As he is a minor, it would require a signed release from his parent or guardian.
Finding of Facts:
No mention of his Mother, Lisa Fuhrer Pumala
Tanner’s account states that the substitute noticed Kyron was missing from the headcount. He said she alerted the regular teacher, Ms. Porter, who told her he was probably in the bathroom.
Subissue for Flagging:
There was NO substitute that day. She had been there Monday through Thursday. Why would he offer that specific account, and simultaneously say that Kyron told him he was headed upstairs to the “cool electic one”? As his deskmate, wouldn’t he interject that information?
He was interviewed by BOTH the FBI and MCSO, and asked not to release his information, but did anyway. Who or what really prompted this?
He remarks he did not see him on the bus, so the day goes by, including the talent show, with no further discussion of Kyron although he would not have been in the bathroom for several hours.
However, he states he was not aware Kyron was missing until that evening, when his DAD saw it on the news.
(Jason Mateos Notes: Could the duo simply have wandered outside together at the prospect of catching a live frog for the exhibit and accidentally fall in the pond and the child is scared.
Blink Response: Plausible only if Tanner unaccounted for, the pond is across the street, and they literally would have to go out of the parking lot, which was heavily occupied at the time. Project next to his is Pond Turtle, however.
The Fuhrer residence, on the market since April 2010, borders the Horman property, and extensive search efforts covered this property. Their is a white truck and camper located at the residence in the photos of the listing.
Brian Pumala, Tanner’s father is a plumber and recent electritian apprentice through JATC. He resides with one Ann Pumala on NW Mill in a houseboat on the channel. Quarry Rd, is directly behind his residence as well as the Quarry that was searched initially.
Finding of Fact:
From Blink notes: Pumala address is on Sauvie. In particular it is the start of the original start area for which MCSO requests video footage, and it has direct access to the channel, which has been a heavy search point.
Additionally folks– we have the investigative equivalent of “the closest distance between 2 points” here. Gram or “mom” Pumala is neighbor to Ky.
Non-custodial Dad, a former neighbor and presumed aquaintance, lives withing the perimeter of the focus of most of the search efforts, AND the alleged cell pings.
Priority Lead #2
Kaine Horman Email:
From: Horman, Kaine A
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 8:39 AM
Subject: FW: Kaine Horman’s son is missing
All,
If you have seen local Oregon news or been browsing the internet or FaceBook there is a good chance you have seen an article similar to the one that Becky forwarded (below). While this note is difficult for me to write in this state of mind I felt it necessary for Kyron’s sake.
Optional actions for you:
The Intel network is large and wide-reaching. Many have asked me what they can do to help us and my answer is the following:
1. Forward Kyron’s information to as many people as you feel comfortable with; the more people that see this will increase our chances of finding him
2. Do not speak to any media if contacted; I am trying to contact Intel legal to give them the heads up and help with this situation
Physical description at the time of his disappearance (picture is show in Becky’s note and here):
He is 3 foot 8 and 50 pounds, with blue eyes and brown hair. He was wearing black cargo pants, white socks, worn black Sketcher tennis shoes with orange trim and dark-colored t-shirt with the “CSI” show logo
Police Hot Line Number:
(503) 261-2847
Some rough background:
The article that Becky forwarded is pretty accurate with details. He was dropped off at school about 8:45 and went missing sometime between then and 9 or 9:30am. We did not know he was not at school until we went to get him off of the bus at 3:30 and he was nowhere to be found. The bus driver immediately called the school which responded that his teacher had not seen him all day in class, at which point we notified police in partnership with the school. It is still unknown whether he left school grounds on his own or was abducted. Be assured that there are currently an amazing number of agencies and amount of person-power being applied to the search and investigation.
Thank you all for the thoughts and prayers for Kyron’s safe return. I will update the group once status changes which will hopefully be soon. At the time of this note Kyron has now been missing for ~48 hours; time is of the essence.
Kaine Horman
Enterprise Business Architect
Intel Corporation
JM session notes: Bolded by Me. Dad states he went to the bus stop with Terri. Indicates both vehicles were at the residence, and in working order. What prompted his schedule to be home at that hour, would it be normal? Why is this the only account that features the Dad at the bus stop.
“in partnership” is odd wording. What does that mean exactly?
Priority Lead #3
Terri Horman call to school: When do the exhibits need to be picked up?
Blink notes: exculpatory. If your counting on a timeline that gives you until approximately 3:30PM, why would you risk the potential to raise the flag of Kyron’s absence. He was in fact, marked absent, although his things remained on his desk. SM calls and askes when the exhibits needed to be removed. In my mind, it is to see if she needed to also pick Kyron up that day, as he could not manage it himself on the bus.
Priority Lead #4
The questionaire released by MCSO and the FBI 
blinkoncrime.com editor JM, an experienced investigator and polygrapher, believes strongly there would have had to have been a deceptive response to necessitate a second poly. Blink notes: I believe strongly this is designed to progress leads in this case. My opinion as to “why” may be very unique. It is almost as if they want someone to believe she is a suspect, stopping short of naming her. Could they be hoping for someone to make contact with her. Admittedly, agreed on the deceptive response, but could she have exposed a bad guy to Kyron through her behavior or actions, but had nothing to do with his disappearance? Those images are FBI generated from an analysis they preformed on her behavior, no doubt in my mind.
blinknotes: I believe it possible the questionaire was requested for multiple reasons. Again, I cannot wrap around her. Put plainly folks-her profile does not match up to execution or strategy as we know it. I also believe this is designed to produce 300 exemplars. With the DA present while parents were to drop off their completed questionaires, I again think aloud– is there a convened GJ at the moment, in this case?
Also, what about this– it lets them capture the make, model, and plates of cars coming to the school with completed forms. Does our guy show up at 9am or 6PM on Father’s Day with kid in car, borrowed from someone, or does he send it with another parent?
Actual excerpt in work session:
*warning graphic* professionals need to de-sensatize in order to analyze.
Research/Investigstive Professional: Something is bad wrong is going on inside the Horman home without a doubt. I tend to look at folks who will not talk. Terri is simply acting odd. She has odd expressions. I mean effin odd; a self-centered nutcase. Unequivocally, yes, but she has an extensive track record of caring for kids. I would def buy her having an affair. If this is her, what kind of lame ass plot is this, in the first place. You drug the kid, you take him out on your own damn property, or closest body of water, and call the cops the next morning with your back door open and his foot trail still fresh. Say he has a history of sleepwalking. In that neighborhood, the critters would have him by then ( sorry, I know). This woman spend significant time with the school and his class. She had the baby in there, multiple times, knows all the kids by name. This is where she is going to take every risk and chance to off the child she has cared for since birth with no conceivable motive– no history of mental illness, and a facebook of loving family photos, several of which taken by her of a beaming Kyron? Not feeling it.
That said, it is connected to her in some way. Scorned lover? Unrequited affection of someone at the school? Kyron was chosen because of her?
Priority Lead #5
Terri Horman follows cases like these:
Priority Lead #6
The baby Kiara, was not with Terri and Kyron that morning.
JM notes:
I don’t know where dad was.
I do not know what he drove.
I don’t know when he left.
I do not know when he came home.
I do not know for sure he was even at work but it would be easy enough to document with ID swipes, etc.
I do not know where the baby was.
I do not know who was watching the baby.
I do not know why dad decided to come home early to meet the bus (and even that is in question.)
Where was she and is this normal routine?
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Ok, sorry, i just remembered something else, i liked the theory that the flier were to get handwriting amples but i remember seeing that they could either be handed in or emailed. so, an emailed flier wouldn’t help get writing samples…
My first thought was that he has more than one pair. Why wouldn’t he? I have three and I wear contacts most of the time.
First visit to this site, it is wonderful. Thank you Blink and thoughtful posters! I have spent 1.5 days reading this entire thread.
If LE thinks he is alive somewhere, why the cadaver dogs? Why the divers?
I just want this beautiful little boy to come home safely.
Something bothered me right away from the pictures of Terri on the flyer. One idea, which has been expressed here was that the pictures were captures from the press conference because Terri wasn’t cooperating fully. But, how effective is it to show a picture of someone who by all accounts looks dramatically different from the way she did before Kyron went missing? Her head is down in the picture or to the side, so how would anyone be able to identify her from these pictures? It seems they could have at least used one of the more recent facebook photos. And the caption to the pictures says “PHOTOS OF TERRI HORMAN SINCE 6/4/2010″. It seems to be that they are saying “SEE WHAT THIS HAS DONE TO TERRI SINCE 6/4/2010?”
Now, a week later, everything is done to diminish her role in Kyron’s life: From main focus to out of the picture – literally. Why the change in tactics? I know Blink said that Terri has probably retained counsel or they want to let someone know this is hurting others besides Terri. Do they realize that they need to get more positive family ties to Kyron, because everyone is focusing on Terri (which was only fueled by the questionnaire)?
It seems to me that they are saying “well the flyer didn’t work, let’s try something else.”
Anyone know why the SM drove Kyron to school the day he disappeared when he normally took the bus? I read where they set up their displays for the Science Fair the day before. It just seems odd he goes missing on the day she drove him to school.
I feel as if it is 1832 and I am standing on the wharf at Gloucster harbor waiting for an overdue schooner. We arrive in the hope of dawn to scan the horizon. At dusk, we depart in private sadness and plan tomorrow’s return.
In an earlier post Justanothermom said she “still can’t forget the “lewdconduct” emails” .
I’ve been following this case pretty closely (and praying everyday Kyron is safe), but I don’t remember reading anything about lewd conduct emails. Can someone please fill me in? Thank you.
l.p., I’m glad to hear you’re following the case and not working in the missing children’s arena–it is far too fragile for anyone not dealing with facts.
The man in the photo you’re asking about is the father of Kyron’s tablemate, Tanner. He is kneeling into his shoes for the photo. You can see his white, left sock clearly. Judging from the height of the man behind him, my guess is that Mr. Pumala is 5’9″-5’10″ which wouldn’t make him short, in most minds.
Even if someone gave the family the glasses as proof of having Kyron, LE wouldn’t have to lie about the fact that they found the glasses, right? They could say they found them but couldn’t say where. In fact, it seems to me that it would be more beneficial for the public to KNOW that Kyron doesn’t have his glasses.
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That’s kind of my thinking, too. Of course it would be important to keep the idea of the glasses being found, based on the idea that someone took him, and he lost the glasses along the way. By saying they were replicas, it give the perpetrator a false sense of security in not knowing those were the actual glasses Kyron was wearing. I.E., if LE has the actual glasses, they may have a clue as to where Kyron was taken. If they say they are replicas, the perp thinks the glasses probably haven’t been found, and there’s no clue left behind.
But, if the assumption is that the person who took Kyron may have sent the glasses to his family, well what good does it do to keep that quiet? In that case, obviously the perp would know the police had Kyron’s glasses if he/she/they sent them to someone in his family.
If that’s the case, then the only explanation I could see, is a kidnapping for ransom money. That does not explain the presence of divers off Sauvie Island for days, though. Unless the glasses and the kidnapping claim came in after the search; or during the search there, causing it to be called off.
However, I still go back to the idea that a kidnapping by someone else; even a family friend would’ve been much harder than the SM doing something.
Eloise says:
June 25, 2010 at 11:58 pm
snapoutofit-
I am curious if you could elaborate on why you feel strongly about the location of the lighthouse and Pumula hot tub/boats? Is it because they seem like ample locations or due to other information you have obtained?
Eloise: Other information. that I posted here a few days ago and shared.
Angie says:
June 26, 2010 at 12:20 pm
“Terri has to explain (probably more than we know) about why she mislead the teacher into believing the doctor appointment was for Friday, the 4th, why her story doesn’t match her cell phone pings, why her cell phone pinged on Sauvie Island, why she Facebooked “hitting the Gym”, why she went to the gym, why she avoids the media (who could get the story out to find her stepson), why she didn’t call 911, why she didn’t go to the school to look for Kyron and why she is so “frustrated” with LE questioning.”
Hmmm…
Let’s see. Bus driver calls school, school secretary notifies 911. Terri AND Kaine went to the gym. Terri hasn’t spoken to the media. I’d like to know the source for your “facts”.
Regarding the glasses: they could be Kyron’s but not the ones he was wearing that day. Our little guy has a spare pair identical to the first in case he loses or breaks his glasses.
I have what may be an extremely ignorant question, but I am relatively new to this.
If we assume that Kyron has not been alive since the day he went missing, what is LE’s main priority right now? Are they most concerned with locating the perp? With compiling enough evidence so that they can “guarantee” a conviction of said perp? Finding Kyron (in – forgive me – whatever state that may be) to return him to his family? Or all of the above?
28.Kaylee says:
June 26, 2010 at 2:00 pm
Kaylee: I believe that everything Kaine is saying publicly right now (especially with regard to Terri, ie the “50/50 chance she’ll be arrested” comment in one of the interviews) is very strategically designed by LE to incite a reaction from the POI. I am so convinced of this that I am not taking anything Kaine says at face value. Hence, his comments about the mission of the SI searches may be intended to “soothe” the POI; if POI feels threatened by talk of the SI element, he/she may react in an even more destructive manner and compromise the case LE is building.
For whatever that’s worth…it’s just my gut feeling, and I’m no expert on any of this!
re: the glasses being a replica. Perhaps they appear worn because the frame is no longer in stock but the were able to find someone that has similar frames and used that for the pic. And removed the lenses to avoid glare in the picture. Long stretch, and assuming they are not Kyrons.
If they are his and were sent, what do you think is the reasoning behind not making that public? Just curious on trains of thought… Maybe not giving the person that took him press or frustrate them? If they are replica’s, why not just say they are extras, or LE found someone with a pair similar . Why do you guys think they are being vague? Or are we reading too deep?
this link was on the hinkymeter site both a news article & a new video interview
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_parents_reveal_n.html
Interview :
http://www.kgw.com/video/featured-videos/Raw-Kyrons-parents-full-interview-97177194.html
in this raw video the bio parents state they knew nothing about the talent show that Kyron was said to be in
http://www.kgw.com/video/featured-videos/Raw-Kyrons-parents-full-interview-97177194.html
http://www.king5.com/news/local/Report-Missing-Portland-boys-step-mom-under-scrutiny-says-her-dad-97241234.html
“Moulton’s father, Larry Moulton, 72, told ‘People’ matter-of-factly that “the finger points at stepmoms, she’s trying to be cooperative.”
He too said she has had two polygraphs, have taken her truck twice and questioned her for up to six hours, several times. He also described his daughter as “really good with kids” and pointed to Hallowen outing to pumpkin patches with the family in costume.”
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Here, her father (allegedly) stated “have taken her truck twice.” Yeah, thought so.
Same article-
“They also previously shared photos of Kyron’s glasses and replicas of the clothing he was wearing when he disappeared.”
Here they state that they shared “photos of Kyron’s glasses” and “replicas of the clothing”. Note that they do not refer to the photo of his glasses as photos of replicas. If the glasses are not his, why do they not state “replicas of Kyron’s glases and the clothing?”
24.Andy says:
June 26, 2010 at 12:52 pm
The People magazine for June 28-July 5 does not have any comments by TH’s father. There are no comments that state her father thinks she has a 50/50 chance to be arrested. I am looking at the magazine as I am typing
Andy it is the July 5 issue with a picture of former The Bachelor Jake on the cover. There is a big article on Kyron. Titled Stepmom in the Spotlight and has a picture of the “family”. Kaine, Kyron, Terri, baby and big brother.
The last paragraph reads;
On her Facebook profile, Horman says that her dream job would be superintendent of a school district. After this investigation, says her concerned dad. “she’ll never get another job.” Before this is over, does he think she’ll be arrested? “I think,” Moulton says, his eyes filling with tears, “it’s fifty-fifty.”
To Kaylee,
Kaine couldn’t state that the reason LE is searching Sauvie Island is that a child murderer dumps the victim’s body where he/she feels comfortable. The murderer wants to know the landscape, traffic flow, population density and etc…, so they will be less likely to be caught in the act of disposing the body. According to Kaine, his family has visited Sauvie Island on many occassions. Members of their family felt comfortable on Sauvie Island.
I want to know if a *search dog* was sent to the school to make sure someone at the school did not take him. For example, like a janitor.
Is is possible that he is in the school. Sad to say and not alive.
I’m wondering how KOIN news previously reported his body found on Sauvie Island and that there was an arrest made before retracting that statement. How can a report be made by news station if they have nothing to back it? What was this report based on? rumors? Very curious that a tv news station would report such a thing.
Are they still searching Sauvie Island? If so, I was just out there today and didn’t notice anything out of the norm…and upon driving around the island, I certainly didn’t see anyone searching.
Per SM father the white Ford was searched twice. Im not sure that was ever verified until now. Just and fyi. I have been following this from the beg and I have not seen this until now.
http://www.kgw.com/news/Second-grade-student-missing-from-Skyline-Elementary-95670454.html
SS & Mackiez Mom:
thanks for your comments. glad to see others agree how these little subtleties (such as photos and home videos) might indicate some underlying family dynamics and possible relevance to this case. I could be reading into things too much (or not), but however relevant to the case and SM’s M.O – I agree S.S – there is tremendous significance in ACTIONS reflecting so much about LOVE. The distinction I saw between these two kids really made me sad for Kyron. If my step mom was filming my little sister standing in the audience while I was performing on stage, I would definitely be affected by that. Perhaps Kyron is still to young to pick those things up, but I wonder how apparent it was to his Dad?
Minima – Good points. I agree, why is it that everyone was so quick to point the finger at Misty Croslin and Casey Anthony (even before that evidence made it so obvious), yet this big probability issue when the scenario involves this step-mom? Age factor? Professional or economic status?
13.Justanothermom says:
June 26, 2010 at 11:42 am
I think you nailed it there Justanothermom. I just want this to be solved. It is such a sad situation and everybody loses. Even if they get Kyron back alive, what has the poor kid been through?
Blink – your thoughts on when somethings going to break? I hope it is soon.
I do believe something will break next week, yes.
B
I have some questions Blink. This little boy’s continued disappearance is now keeping me up at night.
1. Was there only one “substitute” teacher throughout the year?
a. Parents routinely helped and so I wondered if the deskmate possibly considered/confused “substitute teacher” that hectic day with one of the parents helping that day or if he thought of the parents who helped routinely as “substitute teachers”?
b. How were the parents who helped during the school year introduced and identified to the children?
2. A news account early on mentioned a black or dark truck with a child inside at Salmon Berry Road in Washington County. Was this truck found and ruled out?
3. The questionaires and the math. News accounts claimed police confirmed 100 percent returned or used the number 350 for the amount received. IF the school has a population close to 300 (I believe it was 296) and there were eight grades and all grades participated in the Science Fair, how could 350 questionaires be 100 percent? Even you only use the 35 students in Kyron’s class, can someone help me understand how students/staff/vendors/parents/visitors… would add up to 350? Add in the fact that the school was operating under an open campus policy that morning with both front and back entrances available, and several parents who were in attendance that very morning have posted it was “hectic” (a few remarked some of the other grades included some sort of evaluation being done at the same time as the Science Fair) I can’t figure out the math.
4. There were two parking lots and front and back entrances correct? And one of the entrances was very close to Kyron’s classroom correct? Was this entrance the one with the back parking lot? Terri Horman said goodbye to Kyron as the first bell rang and Kyron was walking to his classroom at 8:45 AM. So does this mean Terri did not park in the back lot? Wouldn’t it be very important to know who parked where and what vehicles were spotted, especially in that back lot? Did the questionaire by highlighting Terri’s vehicle shrewdly allow police to get an idea who had parked in the back lot?
5. According to several internet blog entries the smaller children were broken into small groups, many led by parents or volunteers, and these groups visited the projects between first bell and 10 (second/third bell?). Initial accounts by police claimed Kyron had been marked absent at some time. They did not say if these small groups in fact were used or if Kyron was among them. The exact time this happened was left open for speculation. Why did the police do this? The time line police have provided continues to confuse me because it has been so vague and has actually moved backwards. If at first bell the younger children were broken into small groups and led by teacher/parent volunteers to view the entire Science Fair then wasn’t there good reason for police to actively engage everyone at that facility and expect a questionaire from them? Or did the smaller children not visit all of the projects? Could Kyron have ventured to a project area where his stepmom and he had visited and become separated from his group?
6. Kyron’s dad said something during the interviews that made some red flags go up for me. He said that Kyron’s teacher had explained that Kyron had problems following direction by adults at time. He said that Kyron had been taught STRANGER DANGER; however, Kyron had been instructed to heed adults be they teachers or parents while at school. As he said this, I felt a chill go down my spine. With Kyron’s impaired vision and his tender age and all the activity that day, wasn’t it very possible and I would dare say probable that Kyron could have been approached by an adult in that building that day and simply done what he believed was expected of him?
Arrest the damn step mother.She totally knows what happened.This is going to turn out like Haleigh Cummings with all getting away with MURDER. Stop the madness now,and find Kyron time is slipping away and Terry knows what happened.Put her in jail NOW!!!!!!!
Blink, I respect your opinion.
I know you don’t believe Terri is the actual perp.
But do you think Terri knows something, yes or no?
yes, but I do not know if SHE knows what she knows, if that makes sense.
b
B – Have you been able to identify the 2 men in the picture you posted (1 of the men is holding a guitar)? I saw the pix on the Brian Puma MySpace but can’t figure out who is who. It sounds crazy but on another site someone has mentioned a “dwarf” being involved. Is the guy with the guitar Brian?
I read an article somewhere about Kaine’s comments about when he saw his son last. It was that morning, June 4th, and Kyron was outside feeding his cat. Kaine told him he did a great job on his science project, enjoy the science fair, have a super day, etc. (paraphrasing). Then Kaine says he went to work at Intel and came home around lunchtime, and that he, Terri and the baby went to the bus stop together to get Kyron. Two comments here:
1. Could this simply be a step-mom jealous of the step-son, strangely similar to the infamous Scotty Baker case? (Sorry, but we have to cover all possibilities) That would certainly explain two polygraphs (makes one think she flunked the first one; we don’t know the outcome of the second one but what if she flunked that one too?)
2. Was it normal for Kaine to go meet Kyron at the bus? Did Kaine’s wife persuade him to go with her to meet Kyron’s bus, knowing Kyron wouldn’t be there? I would love to know how that conversation went and what her behavior was just prior to going to the bus stop. It was Kaine, Terri and the baby together…..again Scotty Baker comes to mind….
3. If Terri called the school during the day to find out about the science project and when it could be picked up, and found out it could be picked up any time, including that afternoon, why would she then do nothing and let Kyron ride the school bus home? If Kyron was in school that day he would have wondered what to do with his science project at the end of the day, or he would have attempted to take it with him unless someone told him what to do. Wouldn’t you ask while you were there in the morning – what time can we pick up the project -so you can tell Kyron right then and there, don’t get on the school bus, we’ll come and get you and the project. But that didn’t happen. Why would Terri just tell him to get on the bus that afternoon? Wouldn’t it have occurred to her right then and there to ask someone when the projects could be picked up, then tell Kyron what to do after school? No. We have to assume Kyron was supposed to be on that bus in the afternoon because Terri TOLD HIM to get on the bus and didn’t say anthing about picking him and the project up, and didn’t ask anyone while she was there about picking up the project. It really doesn’t make much sense to anyone who is a mom of a young child. Why TAKE HIM to school in the morning in a family vehicle and NOT PICK HIM UP that afternoon in a family vehicle, when 1) Terri found out during the day that the project could be picked up any time and 2) both parents were home with two vehicles available? The Horman’s house is only, what, one mile from the school? Why call the school and show all this interest about picking up the project and then NOT pick it up, with Kyron? Weren’t they all going to get ice cream when Kyron was scheduled to arrive home? Again, why not pick him up at school, get the project, then go get ice cream? It makes so much sense that this is what they would have done instead of telling him to get on the bus, unless for some reason Terri didn’t want to go anywhere near the school that afternoon for fear of having to face a teacher who would say, “You said you were taking him to the doctor” or possibly someone else saying “I saw you leave with him”. Even if Terri HAD instructed Kyron to get on the bus that afternoon, once she found out that the project could be picked up, why wouldn’t she and Kaine and the baby just hop in the truck and drive down to the school early, and get to Kyron before he got on the bus, then go back in and get the project? And Kaine probably knew nothing of all this, just walked right into it.
Hmmm…the “lifestyle” choices that possibly “caused this” has puzzled me. Talked to a friend about it, and her first comment was, “Could there have been some “swinging” going on?” and she reminded me of the case of poor little Danielle Van Dam…..
http://www.cultureandfamily.org/articledisplay.asp?id=641&department=CFI&categoryid=cfreport
Hulagirl says:
June 26, 2010 at 11:25 pm
“I’m wondering how KOIN news previously reported his body found on Sauvie Island and that there was an arrest made before retracting that statement. How can a report be made by news station if they have nothing to back it? What was this report based on? rumors? Very curious that a tv news station would report such a thing.”
An anonymous person on another message board posted that a friend of theirs who is in SAR for this case was called out that morning because a boy’s body had been found (on the island, IIRC). From there it simply spiraled out of control.
HulaGirl-
Yes, I too read to that a local Suavie Island diver stated that Kyron’s body had been found as posted by a Cristinia Hodge’s on her facebook.
Christina Hodge Jun 20
“Dispite what the news stations are saying Kyron’s body was found days ago. My friend’s friend is on the dive team that found him He was at Sauvie’s Island. The news reported that he had been found then quickly took the story off the net and claimed it was false. I think they got in trouble for releasing information too soon because it could jeprodize the investigation. The chances of a missing child being found alive after 48 hours is slim so I expected this outcome but it has made it no easier to accept. I have seen slide shows with his picture and it makes me want to cry, he looks like such a sweet kid. :*( ? RIP Kyron ? ”
http://www.facebook.com/people/Christina-Hodge/551112065
Andy, Jen, Thank you for responding to my post about Kaine’s SI comment. If it had been rehearsed, I don’t think he would have said anything – “I don’t know why they’re looking there.” I remarked on it because it just seemed like such a lame answer, much like his responses to the facebook and talent show questions. I think he actually said something like “I haven’t seen the data on that one yet” in regards to the talent show. He’s resorting to his comfort zone, computer talk. I think he is in denial: “some ROUGH background (email)”, “dropped off”, his Sauvie Island answer. He doesn’t want to see the data, because it would be too painful.
Now that information has come out about Kyron’s inability to see only a few feet in front of him without his glasses along with having “ADD” I have read. Why didn’t he have a protective strap with his glasses to keep them on at all times? This child needed supervision and it will be interesting to see if it was the school who did not watch him or the parent who just dropped him off before there was proper supervision. Perhaps this is why he was termed “at risk” possibly needing medication?
It doesn’t take much to get a little child in trouble; improper supervision and lack of communication such as between the teacher and mom and to even think without checking to see if a child is absent or wandering is unwarranted I think.
We all want this little guy back with those who love him so much!!
What happened to Kyron kind of reminds me of Scotty Baker:
http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20104652,00.html
Pure Effing Evil.
You will never be able to convince me there was no hint of the evil in that woman.
B
Stacey:
Found email addys here
http://www.peoplefinders.com/search/searchpreview.aspx?searchtype=people-name&fn=Terri&ln=Moulton&mn=l&city=&state=OR&age=&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby=
Actually, there is someone playing online games with the “ID” of lewd_conduct. No idea if it is Terri or not. I know nothing about online gaming, perhaps in that context it is a more “appropriate” email or ID.
B or anyone who can answer the question:
I read earlier on in the comments that this wasn’t an “abduction.” It is a criminal investigation though. If not an abuduction what is this crime or disappearance called?
According to an article in “The Prairie Chicken”
“Portland Public Schools spokesman Matt Shelby said two teachers saw Kyron with his stepmother and thought the two left school together”
“Kristina Porter, Kyron’s teacher has said that Terri Horman had previously told her that Kyron had an upcoming appointment but Porter didn’t remember the date. She said she assumed he was at that appointment, having seen him with his step-mom that morning.”
* My side note: Remember that it was on June 3rd that SM stopped in the classroom to tell teacher about Kyrons upcoming June 11th appt.
Here’s the link:
http://prairiechicken.blogspot.com/
To elaborate on that question. Is this because they didn’t issue an Amber Alert? Or is there more to it?
One would hope the unfrenzied outward tone of this suggests they might be waiting to nail down some forensic tests or further triangulate pings or sort through phone or ISP histories, video data or cc receipts.
Where was the baby that morning? Three weeks and no public accounting of the baby in the am. That seems an intentional omission.
I agree, and I was floored that no reporters asked that question either.
B
Considering the connection between the Hormans and Pumalas, and that TP was actually the last person to see Ky, I’m wondering if he unwittingly lured Ky toward the unsecured door, as instructed by an adult. Why else would he not have accompanied Ky? So, I’m not sure TP told the absolute truth in the interview; but, I think GM arranged the interview (against the advice of LE) to assure the perp that TP hasn’t disclosed the truth to LE – out of concern for TP’s safety.
I don’t believe SM was directly involved in Ky’s disappearance nor had any foreknowledge of what was about to take place at the school after her departure. But, I’m beginning to understand, in terms of the “lifestyle choice” perspective, how an affair could be a motive for abducting a child. Let’s say SM was having an affair and the scorned wife (SW) found out. Might SW’s contorted rationale for abducting the other woman’s child be: take what’s mine and I’ll take what’s yours? And Ky was chosen simply due to opportunity. SW’s son was a student at the same school as Ky and parents had reason to be at the school on June 4, thus she would not have drawn suspicion, even if seen walking out the door with a student (especially being female). And since she was known and trusted by Ky, he would not have been alarmed when she prompted him to leave with her.
I think the reason for SM’s second poly is that LE suspected she was withholding some information that could lead to the apprehension of the perp. SM may have done so to protect herself, or perhaps for fear that, if Ky is still alive, the perp will harm him before LE is able to close in for an arrest. This would explain why the focus was suddenly removed from SM, and the bio parents are now the focus of publicity. With the information that LE now has, LE has realized it’s in Ky’s best interest (if he’s still alive and I DO pray that he is!!!) to stress to the perp that Ky belongs not to SM, but to two people completely innocent of wronging her/him. And, the recently publicized home videos of sweet little Ky are a reminder to the perp of Ky’s innocence.
Blink: Would LE be able to make an arrest based on the testimony of two or three people, even if there is no hard evidence linking the suspect to Ky’s disappearance? Do you think LE has already questioned and fingerprinted supposed SW?
If this scenario is correct, or if LE has another suspect (such as “scorned lover”), I would think it is in the perp’s best interest to surrender peacefully now. As someone has said, Kyron Horman has become everyone’s child; so, once the suspect is named, she/he will be confronting a widespread community that is outraged over this crime (and more so if Ky has suffered any bodily harm). The suspect’s life will be in jeopardy every time he/she steps out into public view. If he/she survives to face a prison sentence, even the rats and cockroaches will be treated better by fellow prisoners. Surely, the perp must realize now that it is only a matter of time before he/she is arrested, and that the longer she/he holds Ky (or the more he/she has done to him), the more of a hellish nightmare this individual’s remaining life will be.
No, they could not arrest based on hearsay and no direct evidence, nor would they.
B
Do you know of any cases in which they have found and recovered the body of a missing child but withheld that information from the parents in order to investigate further and hopefully catch the perp? If so, for how long? This report from KOIN news (and something a friend of mine mentioned to me about this report) just has me thinking…
None.
I am familiar with cases where the parents or a suspect were told a body was found to progress an interrogation.
B
I honestly do not know if the stepmother is involved but my gut says “no”. I wanted to offer a few things to think about for all of you who do. I have a larger than usual family that includes “his, hers and ours” children that we have custody of. Our youngest is a “joint venture” and happens to be 17 months old, nearly the same age as Terri and kaines. This spring I had 3 children playing lacrosse (2 bio and one step) and would videotape them playing. I OFTEN cut away from them playing to video the baby who was doing something cute, neither my husband or the children found this odd or preferential treatment of the baby, they all love and “own” her and enjoy seeing her antics at their games. Same with facebook. When I look at my facebook pics, there are many more of the baby. There are several reasons for this, #1 she changes and grows more rapidly, #2 she does much cuter things at this age than the biggers, #3 she is home with me while they were all in school so there were more opportunities to photograph her. Again, none of the children have an issue with the unbalanced amt. of pics of her in my phone and on facebook, in fact they are usully “stealing” the pics for their facebooks and phones.
My children usually ride the bus but there have been occasions where I have needed to drive them in ie, missed the bus, large project, taking cupcakes for birthday. Very rarely have I walked them to their rooms, their school actually frowns on it as they do not want parents wandering around the school. I have a seven year old whose classroom this year was at the end of the hall with a door to the back of the school just past it. The door did not open from the outside but (before this case and a talking to from me) I believe that if my child saw an adult trying to get into this door, she would have probably went and opened for them. I could see Kyron doing the same.
Lastly, I run, its how I keep my sanity and relieve stress. sometimes I feel a very strong NEED to run! If Terri is used to going to the gym and working out, I’m sure she needed the release from all the stress. Just my 2 cents
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negirl75:”
such an interesting article, good link. anyway, i just wonder why these people talk? they obviously seem to let things slip, like the 2nd poly friend and now that the truck has been searched twice from her own father; (i knew it wasn’t being towed for mechanical repairs).
i just don’t understand why they deny these things? is there a reason? if they are trying to “smoke” someone else out wouldn’t they have admitted that they were searching terri’s truck? it just seems like things that LE does seems to point directly at terri, but then it’s like, “oh, no, no, she’s not of interest at all, just trying to get more tips.” can anyone answer that for me, is there some strategy that makes them do both, point and deny?
At “onesot” sorry i keep typing ‘oneshoot.’
At “FLgirl,” you know that was my very first thought. Which mankes sense in the other “feelings” I get about her personality; it’s all a lot more about her and her appearences :/ But I must remind myself that everyone is “innocent until proven guilty.”
As far as what desiree says, I don’t read that much into it. Where Kaines answers seem to be much more premeditated and scripted, I think Desiree is just completely out there at this point. And she wants so badly to believe that he is still alive and will come home. And hopefully this is the case. But as far as her saying things like, “at this point I’m a little scared…” I mean could you imagine being in her shoes? Either you allow some part of your brain to take over where you believe he is still alive, which I imagine is necessary to function at all under these circumstances. And everyday I am sure she just tells herself he’s okay, he will come home and after 3 weeks I am sure that the ability to do that is becoming more difficult, and this comment I think is just the consequence of that. That’s really all I think there is to that. A combination of hope and denial, in order to wake up everyday and to sleep at night. My heart just breaks for her.
At “Kaylee:”
I think that they used those photos maybe because she agreed to be a part of that press conference and therefore they are “public” maybe she didn’t want to submit them, or they just didn’t even want to go there to ask her for copies. This way they could just get the photos they had and publish fliers with or without her consent.
At “lyla”
Good point, although, I think it was because this was a before school activity that was optional and terri went with him. However, i think it’s a good point because this would give her a “reason” that had an explanation to deviate from the norm of him riding the bus; assuming that he did take the bus to school everyday.
At “V:” Q #3
I think that the questionaires were “stapled” together, so one would count for each family, plus probably faculty which would probably account for about 350.
Q #6
When Kaine made this response I found it odd as well. It definitely seemed to indicate that “someone else” other than SM could have lured him. And when Desiree said something along the lines of, yes, we just talked to him about following instructions, Kaine was quick to point out “at school” and that he has a clear understanding of “stranger danger” outside of “school.” To me this made me think, “ah, lawsuit.” Which also made me think, if he’s thinking of a suing the school, he obviously couldn’t do that if terri is responsible, so maybe he really does believe someone else is.
At “JR:”
Thanks. I have yet to recieve any feedback on what makes her so different though. I have never seen a mother, nor can I even imagine a mother that is capable of harming a child.
But, Blink, I just don’t get why there such conviction that she’s not responisble? Because many of us ‘believe’ she is (from her actions and the very little info we’ve gotten and we’re not experts here but…), many do seem to think she is, either in action or in orchastration. But as I have said before I have no personnal investment in being right, it just seems this is so many people perception why/how are we wrong?
I never said she was not responsible, I said I do not believe she herself harmed Kyron, and I still do not.
Outside of that, I have no standing to say who is right or who is wrong.
My conviction in that position is in my articles and comments throughout my coverage of Kyron’s case.
I can and may be wrong, and have no problem admitting it whatsoever, but he was there, he was dropped off. He did not vanish.
B
At “Hulagirl:”
I recently watched a story on 20/20 regarding a girl named Riley Fox, (I posted about this previously) it’s on Hulu if you want to watch it, but beware it’s a horrific story of a sweet 3 y/o girl that was assaulted and murdered. Anyway, the one thing that caught my attention was that they said, when the police found he body (the same day she vanished) they DID NOT tell the parents. I don’t know if they didn’t tell them for hours or days, but that stuck with me due to this case. Also, what stuck with me is ALL the evidence reported in the media pointed to the dad and so did the police. In fact it was a botched investigation, they charged him but later after 8 months in jail, he was released. The story was eye opening for me, as I have never, ever, followed a news story like this. But just to be clear the family won a 9 million dollar settlement agaist the police, so I am not sure if not telling them about her body was “okay” for them to do or not???
They said they were looking for a suitcase of somekind……. wonder if there was a sighting of someone throwing a suitcase into the water- or if someone saw a suitcase in the SM’s truck.
“FLGirl says:
June 26, 2010 at 7:02 pm
Even if someone gave the family the glasses as proof of having Kyron, LE wouldn’t have to lie about the fact that they found the glasses, right? They could say they found them but couldn’t say where. In fact, it seems to me that it would be more beneficial for the public to KNOW that Kyron doesn’t have his glasses.
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That’s kind of my thinking, too. Of course it would be important to keep the idea of the glasses being found, based on the idea that someone took him, and he lost the glasses along the way. By saying they were replicas, it give the perpetrator a false sense of security in not knowing those were the actual glasses Kyron was wearing. I.E., if LE has the actual glasses, they may have a clue as to where Kyron was taken. If they say they are replicas, the perp thinks the glasses probably haven’t been found, and there’s no clue left behind.
But, if the assumption is that the person who took Kyron may have sent the glasses to his family, well what good does it do to keep that quiet? In that case, obviously the perp would know the police had Kyron’s glasses if he/she/they sent them to someone in his family….”
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Blink, please correct me when I go off-track here. I’m basing my responses on limited knowledge, but I thought I’d share what bit I do know since the “glasses” question and LE questions keep coming up.
As I understand it, LE probably has a good idea of “who” and “when”, and the how/why/what is what they need in order to find Kyron, catch the perp AND prosecute the case effectively to the fullest extent of the law without compromising the evidence or making a legal blunder that will benefit the heinous person who did this.
I’m guessing that LE had a good idea from the start as to the WWHO variable since they were able to tell the public that this was an isolated case (specific to Kyron and his family) and LE also knew that it was serious because they called in the FBI within hours. LE doesn’t just ring up the FBI for kids who wander off. So they had some good info from the beginning.
LE doesn’t share everything with the public for numerous reasons. Some are:
1. They want to protect Kyron and give him the best possible chance for coming home alive.
2. They want to be able to identify false confessions pronto. For example (and yes, a foolish example used to demonstrate easily what I mean): If the perp wore a Spiderman outfit to lure Kyron, and LE didn’t release that information, then it would be information only the real perp would know, and ifthe person confessing didn’t know that, then that would mean right away that LE wouldn’t waste time on a false confession/lead.
3. LE doesn’t want the perp to know everything that LE knows because it’s like a game of poker–you play your cards in the best way you can. If LE tells every bit of info and shares all of the facts, then the perp can plan accordingly. By releasing some but not all of the info, LE probably hopes to catch the perp off-guard with something LE knew but didn’t tell. We have to trust the LE and the FBI know what they’re doing, and that they’re playing the cards they think they can safely play. At least in my mind, if they can bring Kyron home alive, then that’s the most important thing, and I’m sure that they are doing everything possible to accomplish that goal.
4. LE needs information with which to negotiate later. When you’re negotiating for a new job, you don’t tell the prospective employer the bare minimum you need in order to survive because that might be the $ amount you’re offered; instead, you keep a number in your head and negotiate the best offer you can get. LE needs to know information without letting the perp know they know, both during the investigation and later, during trial.
LE knows that almost without doubt the perp is following the case very, very closely, and so LE can communicate with the perp via the media. Again, the search and investigation are like a poker game, or a game of cat and mouse, or whichever analogy you want to use.
The perp is the only one who knows everything about WHO/WHAT/WHEN/WHY/HOW, and LE has to make decisions about what to communicate re: what LE knows, and equally important, LE has to know what NOT to communicate and all of those decisions are based on what LE knows about the perp, the psychological profile of the perp, the situation with Kyron, and other who/what/when/why/how facts. The decisions are also based on guidance from the DA most likely, so that the case can be effectively prosecuted later.
In regards to the glasses, there could be many reasons that LE released the picture of the glasses saying that these were exactly “like” Kyron’s instead of saying that these “are” Kyron’s glasses. Some reasons might include (and please keep in mind, these reasons are based on the very little I understand about criminal investigation and are purely hypothetical situations which I’ve contrived in my own wee brain, and Blink, please stop me if I’m getting it wrong):
1. If LE found the glasses during the search and LE knows that they are indeed Kyron’s glasses, then LE may have wanted to communicate to the perp that LE is one step closer to them via the glasses. The perp would know that Kyron was missing his glasses (as they would not be on Kyron’s face) and the perp would know that LE had a clue. LE might not want to announce for certain that they are the glasses, because LE might have determined that the perp is highly reactive and more likely to panic and hurt Kyron. This could be a signal to the perp.
2. If the glasses (and, horrible though, Kyron’s hair) were mailed to the Hormans, then LE might be using the “just like Kyron’s glasses” statement as a way to communicate to the perp that the glasses and hair were received without telling the public. This could’ve even been a requirement that the perp stated in a letter to the Hormans. Perps do that, make odd requests.
3. If Terri is LEs suspect, but they didn’t want her to know it at the time, they could’ve released the “just like Kyron’s” statement to keep her off-guard. Obviously it sounds like she’s being questioned more pointedly now, but at the time, she was less of a focus. Maybe LE wanted to keep it that way, or make it look like they thought that someone else was the perp.
I guess that my point is, we just don’t know why LE would not announce that these were Kyron’s glasses, even if they are Kyron’s glasses (and I believe that they are, and I believe that this is subtle communication with the perp). What we do know is that LE is playing the best game they can with the perp, and these are not random decisions that LE is making in order to frustrate the public; these are decisions LE is making in order to find Kyron and the awful, heartless person who did this to Kyron. Releasing info that these were “just like” Kyron’s when indeed the pair was a back-up of Kyron’s would’ve accomplished very little (at least in my mind) but releasing that they were just like Kyron’s when indeed they were Kyron’s sent signals to the perp in a fashion that communicates with the perp without revealing everything LE knows or doing a shout-out to the general public.
In closing, let me add that I know that we all want to know what happened to Kyron, and know that he is safe. But I think that we all need to remember that while we’re obviously affected by this, this is not about “us” or the public, it’s about Kyron, and he is the first priority, and yes, later LE does need to release the information, but right now they don’t owe us full detail (mho) and if anything that they’re withholding helps bring Kyron back, then I think that’s wonderful. I’m sure that if there were a threat to the general public and kids in it, LE would give the heads-up. Since that hasn’t happened, I’m betting that this is a personal case related to Kyron and his family. And we all just need to pray for Kyron, and a fast resolution here. I know that goes against what some others have expressed, but I’d just say to them that criminal investigation is an art and a science, and requires a high degree of training and analytic assessment, and I know LE knows just a bit more than I do about this, and from what I’ve seen based on my limited experiences, they’re doing an excellent job and hopefully will be able to bring excruciating pain to the perp in the end and bring Kyron home safely. Sorry for the long post.
“Where was the baby that morning? Three weeks and no public accounting of the baby in the am. That seems an intentional omission.
I agree, and I was floored that no reporters asked that question either.
B”
Is it possible that the reporters were told that they could not ask this question? My impression of the media was they’d have all agreed to do the interviews in Smurf suits if that would’ve gotten them the interview with Kyron’s parents, so a list of “can’t ask” questions doesn’t seem to be too unreasonable.
Yes, it is possible, but as per RedRock’s comment, it does seem like an intentional ommission.
B
Thought I would share something interesting that I came across late last night. This guy does statement analysis of various high profile cases. It’s really quite fascinating and interesting. This link analyzes Debbie’s letter to Kyron. The blogger doing the analysis doesn’t do a full one out of respect for this mother as he finds her letter too painful and sad to pick apart. His analysis is still pretty detailed, however. He thinks the seeds of doubt are beginning to form with respect to the step mother’s involvement in little Kyron’s disappearance and that Debbie knows life for him with Terri may have been difficult at times.
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/06/kyrons-mothers-open-letter.html
He also gives an analysis of Debbie and Kaine’s interview as well as Tony and Kaine’s public statements regarding Father’s Day and keeping the focus on Kyron etc.
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/06/kyrons-parents-speak-out.html
(see sidebar on his site for more)
Blink – are you familiar with this guy?
I am Yoshi.
His work, what little I have seen, is pretty solid.
B