New Clues In Kyron Horman Search: Fact or Fiction- You Decide
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Portland, OR-Over the last week, much information has been developed about the extended families of Kaine and Terri Horman, and the circumstances with which Kyron came to reside primarily with them, visiting Mom and step-dad Desiree and Tony Young on monthly visits.
One thing that is not clear however, is how Terri Moulton Horman’s oldest son, 16 year old James, came to live with his maternal grandparents after living with the Horman’s until this past January. He now lives with his biological father who gave up his rights to him to Terri’s second husband, who stills pays child his support.
He is believed to have been on a Boy Scout camping trip with his father Ron Tarver and his half-siblings the weekend Kyron went missing.
By all accounts, and certainly by all photos, James and Kyron were *tight* brothers from another mother.
Although it has not been confirmed by Multnomah County Police, it is believed that the focus on Sauvie Island, and the surrounding area is related to cell phone pings from Terri Harmon’s phone the day of Kyron’s disappearance on Friday June 4th. According to family friend, Terri was asked to take a second polygraph this past Saturday, and was frustrated and tired at investigator’s questions as “she was where she says she was.”
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Frequently, in our team’s development of information and analysis on the cases I feature, readers and listeners ask my opinion on several items of information that I may not be prepared to release out of context. In some cases, they are working theories. It is however, how we handle our “war room” and take raw data to reportable data. This case continues to baffle so many, I thought I would take this opportunity to show our readership how we work behind the scenes. Pardon grammar in advance, these are actual excerpts from our collective work stations.
For obvious reasons, this is the collective work of the editors of blinkoncrime.com; the “raw” we discount or scrap is not included.
Priority Lead #1
Tanner Pumala, 8 year old desk-mate of Kyron Horman, was the last person to see BOTH Kyron and Terri Moulton. He is his self-professed best friend, and also his neighbor. His grandmother, Wendy Fuhrer, allowed him to speak to the press, although she was specifically asked not to. As he is a minor, it would require a signed release from his parent or guardian.
Finding of Facts:
No mention of his Mother, Lisa Fuhrer Pumala
Tanner’s account states that the substitute noticed Kyron was missing from the headcount. He said she alerted the regular teacher, Ms. Porter, who told her he was probably in the bathroom.
Subissue for Flagging:
There was NO substitute that day. She had been there Monday through Thursday. Why would he offer that specific account, and simultaneously say that Kyron told him he was headed upstairs to the “cool electic one”? As his deskmate, wouldn’t he interject that information?
He was interviewed by BOTH the FBI and MCSO, and asked not to release his information, but did anyway. Who or what really prompted this?
He remarks he did not see him on the bus, so the day goes by, including the talent show, with no further discussion of Kyron although he would not have been in the bathroom for several hours.
However, he states he was not aware Kyron was missing until that evening, when his DAD saw it on the news.
(Jason Mateos Notes: Could the duo simply have wandered outside together at the prospect of catching a live frog for the exhibit and accidentally fall in the pond and the child is scared.
Blink Response: Plausible only if Tanner unaccounted for, the pond is across the street, and they literally would have to go out of the parking lot, which was heavily occupied at the time. Project next to his is Pond Turtle, however.
The Fuhrer residence, on the market since April 2010, borders the Horman property, and extensive search efforts covered this property. Their is a white truck and camper located at the residence in the photos of the listing.
Brian Pumala, Tanner’s father is a plumber and recent electritian apprentice through JATC. He resides with one Ann Pumala on NW Mill in a houseboat on the channel. Quarry Rd, is directly behind his residence as well as the Quarry that was searched initially.
Finding of Fact:
From Blink notes: Pumala address is on Sauvie. In particular it is the start of the original start area for which MCSO requests video footage, and it has direct access to the channel, which has been a heavy search point.
Additionally folks– we have the investigative equivalent of “the closest distance between 2 points” here. Gram or “mom” Pumala is neighbor to Ky.
Non-custodial Dad, a former neighbor and presumed aquaintance, lives withing the perimeter of the focus of most of the search efforts, AND the alleged cell pings.
Priority Lead #2
Kaine Horman Email:
From: Horman, Kaine A
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 8:39 AM
Subject: FW: Kaine Horman’s son is missing
All,
If you have seen local Oregon news or been browsing the internet or FaceBook there is a good chance you have seen an article similar to the one that Becky forwarded (below). While this note is difficult for me to write in this state of mind I felt it necessary for Kyron’s sake.
Optional actions for you:
The Intel network is large and wide-reaching. Many have asked me what they can do to help us and my answer is the following:
1. Forward Kyron’s information to as many people as you feel comfortable with; the more people that see this will increase our chances of finding him
2. Do not speak to any media if contacted; I am trying to contact Intel legal to give them the heads up and help with this situation
Physical description at the time of his disappearance (picture is show in Becky’s note and here):
He is 3 foot 8 and 50 pounds, with blue eyes and brown hair. He was wearing black cargo pants, white socks, worn black Sketcher tennis shoes with orange trim and dark-colored t-shirt with the “CSI” show logo
Police Hot Line Number:
(503) 261-2847
Some rough background:
The article that Becky forwarded is pretty accurate with details. He was dropped off at school about 8:45 and went missing sometime between then and 9 or 9:30am. We did not know he was not at school until we went to get him off of the bus at 3:30 and he was nowhere to be found. The bus driver immediately called the school which responded that his teacher had not seen him all day in class, at which point we notified police in partnership with the school. It is still unknown whether he left school grounds on his own or was abducted. Be assured that there are currently an amazing number of agencies and amount of person-power being applied to the search and investigation.
Thank you all for the thoughts and prayers for Kyron’s safe return. I will update the group once status changes which will hopefully be soon. At the time of this note Kyron has now been missing for ~48 hours; time is of the essence.
Kaine Horman
Enterprise Business Architect
Intel Corporation
JM session notes: Bolded by Me. Dad states he went to the bus stop with Terri. Indicates both vehicles were at the residence, and in working order. What prompted his schedule to be home at that hour, would it be normal? Why is this the only account that features the Dad at the bus stop.
“in partnership” is odd wording. What does that mean exactly?
Priority Lead #3
Terri Horman call to school: When do the exhibits need to be picked up?
Blink notes: exculpatory. If your counting on a timeline that gives you until approximately 3:30PM, why would you risk the potential to raise the flag of Kyron’s absence. He was in fact, marked absent, although his things remained on his desk. SM calls and askes when the exhibits needed to be removed. In my mind, it is to see if she needed to also pick Kyron up that day, as he could not manage it himself on the bus.
Priority Lead #4
The questionaire released by MCSO and the FBI 
blinkoncrime.com editor JM, an experienced investigator and polygrapher, believes strongly there would have had to have been a deceptive response to necessitate a second poly. Blink notes: I believe strongly this is designed to progress leads in this case. My opinion as to “why” may be very unique. It is almost as if they want someone to believe she is a suspect, stopping short of naming her. Could they be hoping for someone to make contact with her. Admittedly, agreed on the deceptive response, but could she have exposed a bad guy to Kyron through her behavior or actions, but had nothing to do with his disappearance? Those images are FBI generated from an analysis they preformed on her behavior, no doubt in my mind.
blinknotes: I believe it possible the questionaire was requested for multiple reasons. Again, I cannot wrap around her. Put plainly folks-her profile does not match up to execution or strategy as we know it. I also believe this is designed to produce 300 exemplars. With the DA present while parents were to drop off their completed questionaires, I again think aloud– is there a convened GJ at the moment, in this case?
Also, what about this– it lets them capture the make, model, and plates of cars coming to the school with completed forms. Does our guy show up at 9am or 6PM on Father’s Day with kid in car, borrowed from someone, or does he send it with another parent?
Actual excerpt in work session:
*warning graphic* professionals need to de-sensatize in order to analyze.
Research/Investigstive Professional: Something is bad wrong is going on inside the Horman home without a doubt. I tend to look at folks who will not talk. Terri is simply acting odd. She has odd expressions. I mean effin odd; a self-centered nutcase. Unequivocally, yes, but she has an extensive track record of caring for kids. I would def buy her having an affair. If this is her, what kind of lame ass plot is this, in the first place. You drug the kid, you take him out on your own damn property, or closest body of water, and call the cops the next morning with your back door open and his foot trail still fresh. Say he has a history of sleepwalking. In that neighborhood, the critters would have him by then ( sorry, I know). This woman spend significant time with the school and his class. She had the baby in there, multiple times, knows all the kids by name. This is where she is going to take every risk and chance to off the child she has cared for since birth with no conceivable motive– no history of mental illness, and a facebook of loving family photos, several of which taken by her of a beaming Kyron? Not feeling it.
That said, it is connected to her in some way. Scorned lover? Unrequited affection of someone at the school? Kyron was chosen because of her?
Priority Lead #5
Terri Horman follows cases like these:
Priority Lead #6
The baby Kiara, was not with Terri and Kyron that morning.
JM notes:
I don’t know where dad was.
I do not know what he drove.
I don’t know when he left.
I do not know when he came home.
I do not know for sure he was even at work but it would be easy enough to document with ID swipes, etc.
I do not know where the baby was.
I do not know who was watching the baby.
I do not know why dad decided to come home early to meet the bus (and even that is in question.)
Where was she and is this normal routine?
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What is Club Sesso?
Blink-
Thank you for the insight on a possible “lifestyle choice” being responsible for this. That makes SO much sense. Terri didn’t hurt Kyron, but possibly as a result of her actions and/or dealings in something someone used Kyron to retaliate… It makes sense with what Kaine replied when asked if his wife is involved “She is committed to finding Kyron”. Yeah, I’ll bet she is, especially if it ends up that she was involved in something shady!
To anyone who knows — Are they members or does she work there?
Lifestyle choice: body-building: there are many disgusting men who practice body-building and/or come “to see” (in a bad way) women body-builders…
Terri was a budy-builder, so…
I hope that they will found Kyron alive.Really, and like you Blink, I’ll never understand how someone can hurt a child, never
Club Sesso is a club in Portland for people into the swinger lifestyle.
Second Q:
I think it is a possiblity until it can be ruled out. I think whatever the angle is that surrounds Terri right now, most knows what that is. What was more important to me was when Kaine said, something to the effect of .. We can put what happened to us back together after Kyron is found.
That spoke volumes to me.
B
Do you think Kaine was speaking directly to the perp?
No, his wife.
B
Oh gosh Blink yes the glasses. Now that we know it was his worse fear? Yes, I agree with you now, the glasses were most likely his, sent as a message. There are so many possibilities of what could have happended.
Seeing the parents today was difficult. They must be so afraid and worried for this little boy. Kyron seems like such an good little boy, quiet and sweet.
I think Desiree seemed to discount Terri being involved, I suppose it is all in how you look at it. There were some things that were said that made me take notice, like the stranger danger/listen to adults worry they have. That made me consider they do believe it is someone involved in the school or someone there that morning. Finding out that Kyron has a fear of losing his glasses, well that made me want to vomit.
ABC News – The Early Show
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/article/ky…ry?id=11010421
NBC The Today Show – Oregon Boy’s Parents Speak Out
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/261848…18943#37918978
CBS The Early Show – Kyron Horman’s Parents: Stepmom Wants Him Found
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/…n6617351.shtml
CBS News – Kyron Horman’s Parents Still Searching
Local News
Fox12 Oregon – KPTV – Boy’s Parents: ‘We Will Not Stop Until We Find
You’
http://www.kptv.com/news/24037919/detail.html
Fox12 Oregon – KPTV – Transcript Of Interview With Kyron Horman Parents
http://www.kptv.com/news/24037919/detail.html
KGW – Kyron Horman’s parents talk one-on-one with KGW
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Kyron-…-97153384.html
KING5 – Kyron Horman’s parents speak to local, national media
http://www.king5.com/news/Kyron-Horm…-97159939.html
KOIN6 – Kyron’s mom: ‘He doesn’t like to wander off’
http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local…jy3W5FG4Q.cspx
Just want to say thanks to you and to all who posted the links as I asked.
B
“I will never understand the evil that can befall a human being to harm a child. Never., B”
Blink, let’s just say that I’m with you on that (understatement). Those who hurt the innocent and vulnerable deserve hell on earth, and then hell after. In the volunteer work that I do, I am exposed to things I never knew could happen, and cannot believe the depths to which these sub-cretins who torture/abuse/kill as they do can sink.
Anyway, so now I’ve watched the videos, and besides heartbreaking, I noticed that when asked if they had any theories, Kaine pursed his lips as though he were holding back from speaking (that subconscious tell), and I didn’t read Desiree as being terribly supportive of Terri with her “yes” to the question of involvement. She said “yes” but she looked down and said no more. The 18 minute raw feed contains a telling (mo) close-up of Kaine while Desiree is talking, and he has mentally gone somewhere with what he’s thinking/what he knows, and I saw pain, anguish, fear, and knowledge. Of course, that could be just me. Also, the quote I heard (paraphrasing) from Kaine was “once Kyron is found we can put the pieces of ourselves back together again”.
Raw feed: http://www.kgw.com/video?id=97177194&sec=547977
Blink, do you need other links?
I wonder where the story came from that Terri had been friends with Desiree before Kyron was born? That seems not to be the case, so the part about Terri caring for Kyron since he was 3 days old sounds like hooey, too. Who is the source of those stories, and why, I wonder. Also, I noticed that Kaine said he couldn’t really comment on how Terri is coping, and he said he can’t comment. Obvious that he didn’t pitch in with “she’s devastated as we all are” or something to that effect. Can’t comment? It makes me wonder if she is some place and the others are somewhere else now. In several different interviews, there was a “she” and “us” separation in the answers.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/kyrons-parents-emotional-plea-home/story?id=11010421
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Kyrons-mom-He-doesnt-like-to-wander-off/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/37918943#37918943
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6617334n&tag=related;photovideo
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/25/earlyshow/main6617351.shtml
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4254978/kyron-hormans-parents-speak-out/?playlist_id=87485
in addition to the 18 minute raw. You’ll see where Kaine wanders, and what’s he is thinking is affecting him obviously.
The scorned lover revenge theory is curious to me…someone help me understand it.
I can fathom abduction for ransom, to abuse the abductee, or to keep them long term. But to kidnap for revenge seems strange. It’s not like you can take someone on a Friday out of anger, then go to work Monday like nothing happened…all while keeping a person hidden somewhere.
And does revenge sustain the ability to keep a person for 3 weeks?
links to the news interviews this morning;
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6617334n&tag=related;photovideo
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Kyron-Hormans-parents-talk-one-on-one-with-KGW-97153384.html
http://www.wopular.com/kyron-hormans-parents-appear-today-show
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4254978/kyron-hormans-parents-speak-out/?playlist_id=86912
The police are keeping a lot of things quiet such as who saw Kyron and Terri that day and where and when.
They are also keeping everything that they have learned about the case quiet such as cell phone pings, etc.
But, even with the few things that we do know, it does not look like Kyron had a chance. A predator or some sort is involved. I know it is difficult for some people to believe that Terri is capable, but I think she is capable if she had the right motive. Protecting her own child may be a motive that could provoke her.
I think that she knows about CSI and she knows her squeaky clean reputation as a good stepmother which gave her the confidence that she could get away with it.
Something tells me that LE is closing in on the right person and they do not want to make a move until they have enough information.
If it is true that her cell phone pinged on Sauvie Island and if it is true that she purposely mislead the teacher to think that Kryon would be absent that day, she is the best suspect.
@ sheila…. it is a swingers club in the Portland area & I see from running the name on a search engine they do have their own web site..
On one of the interviews Desiree says “now shes scared”, NOW? I mean I understand with each passing day more hope is lost, but it’s almost like they know who has him, and he was confirmed to be alive, but the person in question has A)stopped communicating with the family/LE Or B)She has been in denial up until now, and really thought that Kyron was/is fine…any one else think that was an interesting comment?? and if so, what do you think that implied, if anything?
Also, Kaines response about Terri struck me as cold, If it was my other half, I would have said “She loves Kyron and is heartbroken”. It does seem as if he is angry with her. (not cause she took kyron) but because (leads back to “lifestyle”) I dont know, this is very hard to follow without any other information, I dont want to read to much into what the parents are saying, but with there hardly being any info out there, its hard not to.
Not really off the subject (and sorry if this has been discussed before):
At all levels of school, elementary, middle and high school, when a child was “absent” in the early morning homeroom/class our home or work was called to verify the absence. Naturally, almost all of the time when the school made the call, the parents would verify the absence. I do know of one case where a parent did not know the high schooler was absent and had to go searching for him. It had a happy ending in that he was safe, but he got an ass kicking for skipping school.
Security cameras are wonderful in a school. If your schools do not have cameras and do not make the phone calls when a child is not present in the homeroom, please talk to your school’s administration or your parent teacher groups.
TR: So are you saying that there are actually two pair of glasses? I asked because initially I thought I understood you to say that it was speculation that the glasses in the initial photo seemed to be worn so people came to the conclusion that they were Kyron’s. But the last sentence seems to indicate a pair of glasses had been given to the family by (is it a Person of Interest?)POI.
Excuse my ignorance but I am unfamiliar with much of the terminology, and lingo used here. I am spanky brand new to this type of forum.
This case has red flags in it and my personal need to see justice prevail and my innate curiosity have prompted me to try and get clarity as to what is fact and what is fictional…Thanks.
I think it is a possiblity until it can be ruled out. I think whatever the angle is that surrounds Terri right now, most knows what that is. What was more important to me was when Kaine said, something to the effect of .. We can put what happened to us back together after Kyron is found.
That spoke volumes to me.
B
Do you think Kaine was speaking directly to the perp?
No, his wife.
B
I thought so too. I also wondered if it meant he has a firm belief on whether they’ll find Kyron alive or not. Seems he might know more than he is saying.
Ok so the “lifestyle issue” would lead me to believe affair, or “open” relationship. I seem to remember a RDSQRL being a member of a website called seek4mate.com or something of the sort. I think the profile has been deleted. Could’ve been SM, might not have been. Could be why Kaine said something about “putting us back together” after Kyron is found.
Suppose she could’ve met someone thru extracurricular activities, who wanted her to leave her family and be with him. Maybe she told the other guy that she couldn’t leave her kids; she could maybe get custody of baby Kiara, but she had no chance of getting custody of Kyron over Kaine or Desiree. So, maybe she refused to leave because of Kyron, and the other man took Kyron in retaliation. Something like “If you ever wanna see him again, you’ll leave your husband and come to me”.
Still it seems a lot of luck and coincidence would’ve had to be on the “other guy’s” side. To see and abduct Kyron right after SM left, yet before anyone else could see them? How would he know Kyron wouldn’t be missed at school? How would he know the teacher might’ve mistaken the dr. appt for that day?
Suppose it could’ve been someone known to Kyron — like Mr. Pumala. Who, for the record is 29, not 24 as previously reported. Which makes a lot more sense for him to have an 8-year-old son. Basing this on his MySpace page. So anyways, I suppose it could be that Mr. Pumala is the “other guy” in question, and he might’ve been at the school that morning with Tanner… saw SM depart and then he took Kyron… informs SM that he has Kyron, she heads to Sauvie Island…
I dunno. I suppose it’s possible, but it just seems a bit more farfetched. It’s easier to believe SM as the primary actor, for me; because she had the dr. appt. excuse and she wouldn’t cause red flags if someone saw her with Kyron.
One thing that is not brought up often is the fact that Kyron’s mother is married to a police officer. I would think that would give them greater insight into the case. Not to mention the fact that he may have friends on the police force that have told him insider information about the case.
Desiree Young may know more about the case than anyone else.
Honestly, it is because she is the Mother and wife of a detective, I promise you, there are things that are kept from her, and she is told that upfront. I also believe she wants it that way.
B
So, I decided to google club sesso redhead, thinking maybe something would come up, like a “missed connection” what-not.
Well, there is a review that came up from Yelp, posted by someone who commented on the fact they had red hair and it being Saint Patty day, they were popular etc…
Clicked on it, to read the full thing (I just read what google had brought up at this point)…review is gone! Not even available in cache.
May be nothing…but figured I’d put it out there anyway.
I have way too much time on my hands today!
What car did Kaine drive to work that morning? If Terri had the truck, did he take the mustang or vice versa? A red mustang was reportedly spotted by residents who observed it racing with a pick-up on sauvie’s island that day. I’m thinking Terri probably had the white truck that day (the reason for the fliers). So….do they have a third car?
Having Tony in the group is a strategic advantage LE rarely gets. He may be withholding information from Desiree, though, as cops often need to do at home, to uphold the integrity of the investigation and to keep her on an even keel. Tony may have known at the time of the press conference that Terri was lying about some things.
I, too, read both Tony and Desiree at the press conference as shunning Terri’s comfort–it was like a Ronald Cummings statement–”how you let my daughter get stole, bitch?”–very frosty, accusatory.
Good job on the language analysis, J2K (clink!). Why say “I believe” when you can say, “She *is* working with all of us…” I think Kaine was sending the message of ‘well, I believe what she’s telling me, for now.’
Genius deduction, Blink! You’re teaching me how to sleuth. Terri in no photos and not at today’s interviews spells ‘Lawyered-Up.’
Something else I forgot to mention was Kaine’s statements re: the talent show. He said that at first he didn’t know about it, but now that information is coming out and there’s some confusion about it. And he seemed confused. Hmmm.
This waiting and wondering and the lack of information from LE is just killing me. I wish they’d just find this little guy already and bring him home.
Do you think that the game World of Warcraft had anything to do with
Kyron’s disappearance? I had read that Kyron’s SM was a player and I know that some strange relationships have come out of these type of online games.Just a thought. Long time reader 1st time poster.
Sharon
http://www.kgw.com/video?id=97177194&sec=547977
Well this interview was quite more informative and actually made me think Kaine was pretty normal in most aspects. It would be interesting to know the order in which they taped these. Both were much more talkative and detailed. So Kaine admits he was home in the afternoon and at the bus stop. I noted he said Kyron loves the bus. So Terri driving him sounds unusual. Do we conclude this was because of the science fair project only? He also admits to the property being searched several times and says their computers have not been taken.
I think they are feeling the stranger danger issue has to do with them stressing to Kyron to listen to the teachers direction and maybe think that resulted in him being taken. If this is the working theory, have they been able to account for all the school personel? I am not necessarily in agreement with this theory, but who knows. I find it hard to believe Kyron would be defiant, he seems so shy and dormat like. Funny how that impression can be so wrong.
Let’s leave Club Sesso out of this. You have no proof they are members, and no need to assume that the members there are child abductors, killers, etc.
so basically, kaine & terri brought this on themselves & most pointedly, Kyron?
well, isn’t that special.
a 3-member vice squad in portland says that teenage girls are having sex with 40 yr olds daily, & a commentor says they access each other thru craigslist. is this vice squad working closely with the LEOs in Kyron’s disappearance?
http://topics.oregonlive.com/tag/club%20sesso/index.html
club sesso, angels…there’s 55 strip joints in portland? geez. there’s 5 in my city & the larger metro area in a major sector of this megalopolis corridor.
TY, Nana2. This case keeps getting more bizarre…but maybe I just live in a different world. Scares me to death that there are people that would harm a child.
My thoughts and prayers go out to the family. What a sweet little boy
Here is the raw feed from the FOX interview. Blink, it appears that you are 100% correct (not that I doubted
) that Desiree is being kept in the dark. She says she is and she is, and mho Kaine’s face says maybe “not so much” on his part: http://www.kptv.com/video/24037923/index.html
I took the comment, “Kaine said, something to the effect of .. We can put what happened to us back together after Kyron is found.” to mean. He has made it very clear to SM that he thinks she is involved and because of that, their relationship is all but over, UNLESS Kyron is found, then they can work on whatever havoc this has created.
I would like to know if they are still living together. If I suspected my spouse of doing something….the hatred I would feel towards him would be difficult to hide.
He did not seem to be supportive of Teri. Seemed like he was talking the party line.
I am still trying to figure out why NOW they appeared on TV. Did they really make a plea? To say its starting to worry them after 3 weeks? WTF…it would be worrysome after 3 hours. I don’t buy into some convoluted plot/plan.
It speaks volumes that the primary caregiver wasn’t there making a plea {SM}. I feel so bad for the bio mom and dad.
Found a poster at the Oregon Live website who posted up a bunch of links to today’s media interviews. Hope it was ok to cut and paste and bring it on over.
For some reason, the Fox News video does not have sound for me.
HollysGmom June 25, 2010 at 6:28AM
Fox News Video — Kyron Horman Parents — http://bit.ly/bxzWf0 .. (with sound)
New Images of Missing Kyron Horman: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6617334n
ABC — Parents of Missing Kyron Hormon Plea for Help http://soc.li/EkBgtwT
Kyron Horman’s Parents’ Plea: ‘Come Home’ ….. http://bit.ly/aEDui5
Missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman would never walk away from school, mom says ….. http://bit.ly/dzjy6g
Kyron Horman — Kaine Horman & Desiree Young video – Today Show …. Friday, 6/25 ….. http://bit.ly/cHNGyn
Today Show Video Update – Kyron Horman case…… http://bit.ly/cuIDNH
Over the years, i’ve wondered why there seemed to be such a high concentration of SO’s in the NorthWest Region – Washington State, Oregon State. Now I understand the link between the permissive state constitution in Oregon and the sex-industry, that would also attract SOs. In Kyron’s case, Kaine’s “lifestyle choices” for the same-gender might be the issue rather than Terri’s, given the sex-abuse issues on Kyron’s paternal side.
This case suddenly reminds me of the San Diego (Poway) case of 7-year old Danielle Van Dam in 2002 – the swinging parents whose neighbor quietly stalked their young daughter, & while mom & dad were busy in a 3-some, the neighbor slipped into their house, kidnapped the little girl, put her in his RV, went on a rambling ride through desert areas east & north of Poway, & dumped her body out in the desert.
I finally got a chance to check out the KOIN interview from this morning. One thing that stuck out – seemingly consistent with the CBS interview – was Kaine’s seeming mental separation from his wife.
For instance, about mid-way through, the male reporter is asking him and Desiree if they read the blogs discussing their son’s case, if they have theories themselves, how they cope with scary thoughts on what’s happening to Kyron, etc.
Reporter: “…So you try not to think what he might be going through? That’s not productive?”
Kaine: “Well, it happens every day. And that’s the part, at least for for *me*–”
[He pauses, turning briefly to face Desiree] “–and I don’t know if I’m speaking on our behalf, but…”
[She lightly nods in agreement]
“…It’s very difficult. You want him to be safe, you want to keep hope, but…”
Perhaps it’s meaningless, but that 20-second blip in the middle of the interview struck me as incredibly odd – *if* “the only dynamic that has changed in the Horman home over the last three weeks is Kyron’s disappearance from it,” as he contends at some point. Particularly in light of the email he sent to co-workers within the first 48 of Ky’s disappearance noting “*we* got him off the bus,” “*we* called the police” – that’s typical parlance for long-term or married couples.
But he’s no longer automatically using that common pronoun (throughout today’s press junket anyway), as he explains what the day-to-day parental fear is like while his child is missing (which, one would assume he *shares* with his own wife). I mean, Terri is his presumed partner in life and Kyron’s primary custodian besides himself – that’s why it didn’t stick out as suspicious to me (as it did for some) when he used “we” when he meant “Terri” in his above-referenced email.
Further, he actually catches himself saying “at least, for me,” and quickly turns to his ex-wife, reflexively checking to see if she agreed with what he assumed was a shared sentiment…
(Does this even make sense?)
Would lifestyle choices be only drugs/sex or could it be Terri’s playing of WoW? If indeed that was for certain. I know of a few cases where people get so carried away with that game that they have tried to have CEOs of companies fired for false allegations of sexual harassment or involvement in child porn.
Though there has always been a nagging voice saying that Terri was cheating and that is the reason for her odd body language during the presser. She knows something, but not everything.
I was hoping when the photo of the glasses was released that they were an old pair. :/
Here are several of the links:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/article/kyrons-parents-emotional-plea-home/story?id=11010421
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/37918978#37918978
http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyron-Hormans-parents-talk-one-on-one-with-KGW-97153384.html
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Kyrons-mom-He-doesnt-like-to-wander-off/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx
http://www.kptv.com/video/24037923/index.html
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/parents_of_kyron_horman_to_app.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/25/earlyshow/main6617351.shtml?tag=cbsnewsTwoColUpperPromoArea
“Lifestyle issue” sent me in another direction. If someone wanted Kyron for sexual purposes, wouldn’t he be more likely to be interested in Kaine?
Eighteen years ago my father-in-law was killed by a young couple who came to the door claiming to have car trouble. It was one of the first home invasion robberies we had heard of. Until these idiots were arrested (3 days later), my MIL was put through endless questioning by the sheriff’s office. She met with two different sketch artists, they brought her mug shots to look at, etc. They were working every angle. It really was horrible – I can only imagine three weeks of it with no end in sight. With our case, it came down to the scumbags finding a “rich house” to do “one last big job” and they’d be set for life. Very little of their plan followed logic or common sense.
How is Blink on Crime related to Scaredmonkeys
We have the same Mom.
B
I don’t think today’s interviews would have occurred without police approval. IMHO for the first time in this saga, I could detect an ever so subtle constriction in the truth lanyard; people were taking positions.
Still no talk of who had the baby and where? Or did I miss that today while trying to remain gainfully employed.
LOL.
I agree where the baby girl was in pivotal.
B
I believe, like Blink, that Terri did not harm Kyron personally, and that a lifestyle choice as being the common denominator for what happened makes sense.
If this turns out to be what really happened, I just get angry that so many people are solely blaming Terri. If Kaine and Terri were potentially into the swinger’s lifestyle, then maybe Kaine was the one who “got” Terri into it. Many times from what I have read, it is the man who wants to get into swinging and pushes or coerces the woman into it.
Sadly though, for Terri, people have condemned her solely based on the fact that she was the last parent to see Kyron. So if Kaine and Terri had this lifestyle, and someone they knew took Kyron, it is NOT the fault of either of them. I believe though, that if you choose risky lifestyles such as swingers clubs, drug use, partying with a bad crowd, etc., that you should do it in your youth, before you have kids that may be impacted or harmed by your choices. JMOO.
If it turns out that Kyron was taken by someone as revenge because of a spurned affection type scenario, etc. within their “lifestyle choice”, then I will not hold Kaine and Terri responsible, except for their stupidity in not seeing the risks involved in their choices.
But maybe we are barking up the wrong tree entirely, who knows. Maybe someone very mentally unstable had been after Terri for a long time, and she knew it. Maybe she had been trying to avoid this person and had even asked for help from her family or friends. Maybe it was someone from the gym? Of course keeping in mind that both Kaine and Terri went there, even with the kids at times. We don’t know because we are not privy to that type of info.
In that case, I could see a mentally ill person taking Kyron to say to Terri, “I’ve got you now, you have to say you’ll be with me to get Kyron back. A mentally ill person may not have even been aware that Kyron was her stepson and not her biological child, or would not have cared. Someone with a very sick mind who was infatuated with her and that was trying to get her attention would do whatever they thought would work. Would a stalker be Terri’s fault? Of course not. Maybe a stalker followed Terri to school that day because they knew how busy of a day the school had planned. Maybe they have a child, niece, nephew, etc. that goes there and knew the details. They would know the school and times and would have been paying attention for a long time. That’s kinda what stalkers are known for.
Someone said earlier about maybe someone’s “window of opportunity” was closing down because school would be out soon. The day of the science fair would have been the most workable opportunity before school let out to grab a child. The end of school fun day for the next week would have had just too many participants and family members and was held outdoors, so it would not have been as easy to spirit a child away.
This is all just my ideas and thoughts-right now-subject to change in five minutes!
Just curious…what is WoW? Is this an online game?
From another site, links, hth:
Fox News Video — Kyron Horman Parents — http://bit.ly/bxzWf0 .. (with sound)
New Images of Missing Kyron Horman: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6617334n
ABC — Parents of Missing Kyron Hormon Plea for Help http://soc.li/EkBgtwT
Kyron Horman’s Parents’ Plea: ‘Come Home’ ….. http://bit.ly/aEDui5
Missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman would never walk away from school, mom says ….. http://bit.ly/dzjy6g
Kyron Horman — Kaine Horman & Desiree Young video – Today Show …. Friday, 6/25 ….. http://bit.ly/cHNGyn
Today Show Video Update – Kyron Horman case…… http://bit.ly/cuIDNH
Daisy says:
June 25, 2010 at 5:53 pm
“On one of the interviews Desiree says “now shes scared”, NOW? I mean I understand with each passing day more hope is lost, but it’s almost like they know who has him, and he was confirmed to be alive, but the person in question has A)stopped communicating with the family/LE Or B)She has been in denial up until now, and really thought that Kyron was/is fine…any one else think that was an interesting comment?”
My personal thought when I heard that is that she is both in shock and denial. I know that soul-gripping fear and grief beyond words do funky things to an otherwise normal person, and I have never experienced what Desiree is going thru, but what I have experienced tells me that shock and denial, a numbed sense of going thru the motions and clinging to hope are normal. But that’s just me.
Someone else up thread wondered if revenge alone could make someone hold a child for 3 weeks, and my answer to that would be “depends on how psycho they are”. Ditto with could an affair drive someone to murder. JMO is that not just an affair alone. But cheating is a clear indication that someone’s honest and integrity have been obviously compromised, and so then I watch carefully to see how deep the lack of both go, and to what extent the cheating is just one extension of a totally FUBAR life. Cheating is never a good sign, and sometimes it’s a worse sign than others. “… it was always himself that the coward abandoned first. After this all other betrayals came easily.”
Blink, you posted to me earlier you think TH knows who Kyron left with. Do you think she set it up for Kyron to leave with this person?
I think the comment from Kaine them being put back together after Kyron is found came after the reporter asked about the toll this is taking on the family. The damage they are currently suffering: the constant questioning, searching of their property, invasion of privacy, the public scrutiny and rumors are not as bad as not having Kyron with them. He is keeping his eye on the goal and knows that the healing can come when their goal is realized.
Hulagirl–
WoW is World of Warcraft. Yes, it is an online role playing game It is generally played with a group.
zeus – please don’t discriminate against mentally ill people. geez. they have life hard enough as it is w/o you dumping on them.
kidnapping a child takes organized thought, something most mentally ill people have difficulty with as a cardinal symptom of their illness. and to send glasses as a teaser/to taunt? hardly something a mentally ill person is gonna do or be able to do.
perhaps you’re confusing mental illness with antisocial personality disorder (psychopath/sociopath).
Evil exists. Sometimes it’s just as simple as that.
@ sheila… you’re most welcome… one look at the Club Sesso web site & all I can say is hmm definitely not my cup of tea, but to each his own.. Personally I don’t see Terri in that type of atmosphere..
As far as where the baby was that morning, I remember reading an early article that stated SM had left the baby with a friend that morning. No other info was given and I believe it was the only article that mentioned the whereabouts of the baby. I remember thinking that it was odd because I always took my babies with me to my older children’s functions, especially to ” laid-back” events such as a self-guided science fair.