New Clues In Kyron Horman Search: Fact or Fiction- You Decide
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Portland, OR-Over the last week, much information has been developed about the extended families of Kaine and Terri Horman, and the circumstances with which Kyron came to reside primarily with them, visiting Mom and step-dad Desiree and Tony Young on monthly visits.
One thing that is not clear however, is how Terri Moulton Horman’s oldest son, 16 year old James, came to live with his maternal grandparents after living with the Horman’s until this past January. He now lives with his biological father who gave up his rights to him to Terri’s second husband, who stills pays child his support.
He is believed to have been on a Boy Scout camping trip with his father Ron Tarver and his half-siblings the weekend Kyron went missing.
By all accounts, and certainly by all photos, James and Kyron were *tight* brothers from another mother.
Although it has not been confirmed by Multnomah County Police, it is believed that the focus on Sauvie Island, and the surrounding area is related to cell phone pings from Terri Harmon’s phone the day of Kyron’s disappearance on Friday June 4th. According to family friend, Terri was asked to take a second polygraph this past Saturday, and was frustrated and tired at investigator’s questions as “she was where she says she was.”
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Frequently, in our team’s development of information and analysis on the cases I feature, readers and listeners ask my opinion on several items of information that I may not be prepared to release out of context. In some cases, they are working theories. It is however, how we handle our “war room” and take raw data to reportable data. This case continues to baffle so many, I thought I would take this opportunity to show our readership how we work behind the scenes. Pardon grammar in advance, these are actual excerpts from our collective work stations.
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Priority Lead #1
Tanner Pumala, 8 year old desk-mate of Kyron Horman, was the last person to see BOTH Kyron and Terri Moulton. He is his self-professed best friend, and also his neighbor. His grandmother, Wendy Fuhrer, allowed him to speak to the press, although she was specifically asked not to. As he is a minor, it would require a signed release from his parent or guardian.
Finding of Facts:
No mention of his Mother, Lisa Fuhrer Pumala
Tanner’s account states that the substitute noticed Kyron was missing from the headcount. He said she alerted the regular teacher, Ms. Porter, who told her he was probably in the bathroom.
Subissue for Flagging:
There was NO substitute that day. She had been there Monday through Thursday. Why would he offer that specific account, and simultaneously say that Kyron told him he was headed upstairs to the “cool electic one”? As his deskmate, wouldn’t he interject that information?
He was interviewed by BOTH the FBI and MCSO, and asked not to release his information, but did anyway. Who or what really prompted this?
He remarks he did not see him on the bus, so the day goes by, including the talent show, with no further discussion of Kyron although he would not have been in the bathroom for several hours.
However, he states he was not aware Kyron was missing until that evening, when his DAD saw it on the news.
(Jason Mateos Notes: Could the duo simply have wandered outside together at the prospect of catching a live frog for the exhibit and accidentally fall in the pond and the child is scared.
Blink Response: Plausible only if Tanner unaccounted for, the pond is across the street, and they literally would have to go out of the parking lot, which was heavily occupied at the time. Project next to his is Pond Turtle, however.
The Fuhrer residence, on the market since April 2010, borders the Horman property, and extensive search efforts covered this property. Their is a white truck and camper located at the residence in the photos of the listing.
Brian Pumala, Tanner’s father is a plumber and recent electritian apprentice through JATC. He resides with one Ann Pumala on NW Mill in a houseboat on the channel. Quarry Rd, is directly behind his residence as well as the Quarry that was searched initially.
Finding of Fact:
From Blink notes: Pumala address is on Sauvie. In particular it is the start of the original start area for which MCSO requests video footage, and it has direct access to the channel, which has been a heavy search point.
Additionally folks– we have the investigative equivalent of “the closest distance between 2 points” here. Gram or “mom” Pumala is neighbor to Ky.
Non-custodial Dad, a former neighbor and presumed aquaintance, lives withing the perimeter of the focus of most of the search efforts, AND the alleged cell pings.
Priority Lead #2
Kaine Horman Email:
From: Horman, Kaine A
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 8:39 AM
Subject: FW: Kaine Horman’s son is missing
All,
If you have seen local Oregon news or been browsing the internet or FaceBook there is a good chance you have seen an article similar to the one that Becky forwarded (below). While this note is difficult for me to write in this state of mind I felt it necessary for Kyron’s sake.
Optional actions for you:
The Intel network is large and wide-reaching. Many have asked me what they can do to help us and my answer is the following:
1. Forward Kyron’s information to as many people as you feel comfortable with; the more people that see this will increase our chances of finding him
2. Do not speak to any media if contacted; I am trying to contact Intel legal to give them the heads up and help with this situation
Physical description at the time of his disappearance (picture is show in Becky’s note and here):
He is 3 foot 8 and 50 pounds, with blue eyes and brown hair. He was wearing black cargo pants, white socks, worn black Sketcher tennis shoes with orange trim and dark-colored t-shirt with the “CSI” show logo
Police Hot Line Number:
(503) 261-2847
Some rough background:
The article that Becky forwarded is pretty accurate with details. He was dropped off at school about 8:45 and went missing sometime between then and 9 or 9:30am. We did not know he was not at school until we went to get him off of the bus at 3:30 and he was nowhere to be found. The bus driver immediately called the school which responded that his teacher had not seen him all day in class, at which point we notified police in partnership with the school. It is still unknown whether he left school grounds on his own or was abducted. Be assured that there are currently an amazing number of agencies and amount of person-power being applied to the search and investigation.
Thank you all for the thoughts and prayers for Kyron’s safe return. I will update the group once status changes which will hopefully be soon. At the time of this note Kyron has now been missing for ~48 hours; time is of the essence.
Kaine Horman
Enterprise Business Architect
Intel Corporation
JM session notes: Bolded by Me. Dad states he went to the bus stop with Terri. Indicates both vehicles were at the residence, and in working order. What prompted his schedule to be home at that hour, would it be normal? Why is this the only account that features the Dad at the bus stop.
“in partnership” is odd wording. What does that mean exactly?
Priority Lead #3
Terri Horman call to school: When do the exhibits need to be picked up?
Blink notes: exculpatory. If your counting on a timeline that gives you until approximately 3:30PM, why would you risk the potential to raise the flag of Kyron’s absence. He was in fact, marked absent, although his things remained on his desk. SM calls and askes when the exhibits needed to be removed. In my mind, it is to see if she needed to also pick Kyron up that day, as he could not manage it himself on the bus.
Priority Lead #4
The questionaire released by MCSO and the FBI 
blinkoncrime.com editor JM, an experienced investigator and polygrapher, believes strongly there would have had to have been a deceptive response to necessitate a second poly. Blink notes: I believe strongly this is designed to progress leads in this case. My opinion as to “why” may be very unique. It is almost as if they want someone to believe she is a suspect, stopping short of naming her. Could they be hoping for someone to make contact with her. Admittedly, agreed on the deceptive response, but could she have exposed a bad guy to Kyron through her behavior or actions, but had nothing to do with his disappearance? Those images are FBI generated from an analysis they preformed on her behavior, no doubt in my mind.
blinknotes: I believe it possible the questionaire was requested for multiple reasons. Again, I cannot wrap around her. Put plainly folks-her profile does not match up to execution or strategy as we know it. I also believe this is designed to produce 300 exemplars. With the DA present while parents were to drop off their completed questionaires, I again think aloud– is there a convened GJ at the moment, in this case?
Also, what about this– it lets them capture the make, model, and plates of cars coming to the school with completed forms. Does our guy show up at 9am or 6PM on Father’s Day with kid in car, borrowed from someone, or does he send it with another parent?
Actual excerpt in work session:
*warning graphic* professionals need to de-sensatize in order to analyze.
Research/Investigstive Professional: Something is bad wrong is going on inside the Horman home without a doubt. I tend to look at folks who will not talk. Terri is simply acting odd. She has odd expressions. I mean effin odd; a self-centered nutcase. Unequivocally, yes, but she has an extensive track record of caring for kids. I would def buy her having an affair. If this is her, what kind of lame ass plot is this, in the first place. You drug the kid, you take him out on your own damn property, or closest body of water, and call the cops the next morning with your back door open and his foot trail still fresh. Say he has a history of sleepwalking. In that neighborhood, the critters would have him by then ( sorry, I know). This woman spend significant time with the school and his class. She had the baby in there, multiple times, knows all the kids by name. This is where she is going to take every risk and chance to off the child she has cared for since birth with no conceivable motive– no history of mental illness, and a facebook of loving family photos, several of which taken by her of a beaming Kyron? Not feeling it.
That said, it is connected to her in some way. Scorned lover? Unrequited affection of someone at the school? Kyron was chosen because of her?
Priority Lead #5
Terri Horman follows cases like these:
Priority Lead #6
The baby Kiara, was not with Terri and Kyron that morning.
JM notes:
I don’t know where dad was.
I do not know what he drove.
I don’t know when he left.
I do not know when he came home.
I do not know for sure he was even at work but it would be easy enough to document with ID swipes, etc.
I do not know where the baby was.
I do not know who was watching the baby.
I do not know why dad decided to come home early to meet the bus (and even that is in question.)
Where was she and is this normal routine?
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Blink: I’ve been reading too much here, but I have to ask: Could this be to the perp and not just to answer the question? This is from the transcript online–when Kaine was asked what he would say to Kyron:
Kaine Horman: … And I would do anything to trade places and to get you home. …
oneshot says:
June 25, 2010 at 8:32 pm
“…antisocial personality disorder (psychopath/sociopath).
Evil exists. Sometimes it’s just as simple as that.”
I add to that: And some psycho/sociopaths can be very difficult to ID and/or catch, and very dangerous when caught or cornered. Pure conjecture: maybe that is why LE has said so little because their POI/suspect is profiled as one of the dangerous when cornered variety.
Please confirm if the area at Warrior Rock and the area specifically around this photo of Warrior Rock Light House was searched.
http://www.rudyalicelighthouse.net/NWLts/Warrior/WarRk00.htm
Please confirm if Brian Pumula’s home on Sauvie Island was searched as well as the hot tub and boats.
Respectfully, you know i could not confirm that publicly or privately.
B
Aaaaaaaahhhh, just when it feels like we’re getting closer, this case starts drifting in the direction of “Haleigh Cummings” Except that the more I read, the more I hear and the more I see (no matter how many various other theories being put forth) I am only more convinced of this being at least partly, if not solely rooted in the step-mom herself.
Before the crime, the crime itself and now in the aftermath:
1) Before the crime:
let’s start with the facebook photos
thttp://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1365626&id=1264414625&fbid=1489640002015#
(thanks for this link Elouise and Mel)
-I’m not counting how many pictures of Kyron were posted or even speculating on when.
WHAT ALREADY SPEAKS VOLUMES TO ME is a grown adult and experienced enough parent not even being mindful enough to narrow the huge difference between cute, adoring little narrative captions accompanying ALL the photos of her and Kaine’s little daughter Kiara, SOME of her older son James, her elderly father and EVEN one of KYRON”S OUTSIDE THE FAMILY FRIEND – but every photo of 7 year-old STEP-SON KYRON – says nothing but his name.
ex) the picture that would first appear to be Kyron instructing his friend on holding a bowling ball, Terri describes a completely different way:
“Kurtis’s first time bowling.”
It wouldn’t be such a big deal if she didn’t always have something loving to say about every single picture of “her real daughter” or that she’ll even find something to say about the kid who lives down the lane – if he’s in a photo with her own step-son.
(some might find this as rather petty to even attack, but i see this as a rather huge indication of someone who makes a clear distinction between her step-son and beyond just her own children to pretty much everyone else. I wonder if she ever thought Kyron would eventually see things like that, because she certainly didn’t consider how it might make a child feel! Any sound parent would recognize the importance treating their children purposely equal and balanced, any parent who doesn’t even pretend to do so has got to be unbalanced herself.
- the only exception to this is with the photos of the tree frog project, but she doesn’t even present it just as Kyron’s – its always a little blurb relating the project to herself. Kudos to anyone who puts their interest and effort into a child’s school project and obviously her collaborative input helped achieve such impressive results. I just find it strange a parent wouldn’t still see the importance of it being about the child more than taking credit for any help. if it ever was about Kyron, she would be able to present it as only Kyron’s project at least once and refrain from her petty need to claim even the smallest amount of recognition. I wonder if she asked anything about Kyron first, when she called the school wanting to know the minute his project could be picked up?
Another blatant distinguishing example is the home video recently released of Kyron’s school play:
http://www.koinlocal6.com/mostpopular/story/Kyrons-mom-He-doesnt-like-to-wander-off/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx
I know there is much reason to keep a camera on this cute little girl, but filming HER BACK DURING KYRON’S MOMENT ON STAGE? B*#*CH, PLEASE. The one video starts off with Kiara’s back to the camera, and stays there as she baby talks along with the song that Kyron and his class are in the midst of performing on stage. (She is very cute, mind you – but SO IS KYRON and it was his big day.) she doesn’t even zoom the camera in to even see him clear at all until half way through the song and only because a baby starts crying and interrupts Kiara interrupting Kyron’s song. She does manage to stay on Kyron for the last part of the song, but the minute it ends she jumps off the kids still on stage to get one last shot of Kiara before the end of the tape. I wonder if Kyron’s father at least noticed these things?
2) The crime itself. None of the facts have changed about how Kyron went missing at school. No new details of possible suspects were sighted at the school. If they haven’t narrowed down any possibility of a strange man (or woman) entering the school or someone that Kyron or Terri knew, it would have to be a lightning speed predator, an alien abduction or the workings of a ghost. OR it still goes back to the last person with the missing child- Terri herself.
If she planned this school scenario as a more solid attempt than Casey Anthony’s Zanny, she could also of had ‘a dangerous character from her secret dangerous life as a back-up or some scorned stalker suddenly revealed from a secret affair (more likely from her bodybuilding days – or any number of years ago’). she could of had a back-up story for any direction this investigation went. and if it really does involve someone else, than i think she would have had to assist in Kyron’s abduction to make it go as smoothly as it did.
I think by the behavior of the father in today’s interview he is very aware of something that the bio mother is not. he won’t even verify Terri’s account of dropping Kyron off at the school that day, he knows far more than someone who’s just ‘unclear’ about that. i don’t think he did anything himself, but there is something about his wife that he knows. I believe he even knew by his expression at the first press conference.
the only thing i’m confused about is whether or not he is pretending or really does have reason to echo the poor mother’s continued hope that Kyron could still be alive. This adorable little guy we are learning more about each day – I really truly and sincerely hope so
3) In the Aftermath:
Well, in addition to the out of place demeanor we all saw at the first press conference, the 2nd polygraph to indicate she’s had something to hide thus far and the obvious separation of her and the other family members positioning in the case, she has done nothing to help establish her innocence, nothing to indicate finding Kyron and everything to clear the airwaves of speculation surrounding her name.
in addition to sending her ‘gym buddy’ (which is even hard to believe in itself) to face the music on her behalf (since not even her own husband will) and for no other reason than to fill our ears with praise and sympathy for this woman of deceptive accounts, not for the little boy lost without his glasses and God knows what else. Meanwhile Terri herself has also been taking care of herself in the ‘on-line’ front: fabricating numerous individuals – under various pseudo names and blogging pretend opinions in her own defense. Oh and I guess along with lining up herself an attorney, that’s how she’s been using her time.
Someone who resorts to the Jose Baez, Cindy Anthony e-defense instead of just claiming their innocence straight-up, simply as who they are, to freely move forward in the search of their missing child ….need I say more?
If Kyron was lured away with the prospect of seeing an electric project.. what would’ve stopped a friend from going with him? Perp was taking a chance with that (thrilling to them?) Why didn’t Tanner want to go with him? The 1st grade boys I know always want to ‘go with’ the other, especially to something cool. What did Kyron really say to him, if anything?
I know my 6 yr old has on occasion ‘added’ to a story based on what she thought I wanted to hear. Even to the point of once making something up to be able to have an response when she really would have had no idea.
Now that Desiree has said that she & SM were not friends… how did Terri enter the picture ~ did she covet Kyron, was she fixated/ obsessed & manage to work her way into their lives? Did having her own baby -”my real daughter”, result in her withdrawing her affection from Kyron, her feelings toward him gradually growing more and more negative? I just have a feeling there is some serious mental illness there. To me, she looks like she is concentrating all her efforts into looking grief stricken.
i still am in shock n awe that the school never realized he wasn’t in the classroom, esp with his jacket and backpack present in the classroom. Like snack time? lunch time? end of day? teacher saw him in the morning and he’s like in the bathroom for 6 hours? What a MAJOR oversight to be missing a child and not know it. WOW! I’m stunned.
does anyone know if they have interviewed and searched the homes of all the staff at the school? its just so weird. have they checked every part of the school, like ie. the case here in my state of Connecticut with the Yale student whom was murdered in the lab and the man who did it stuck her in the wall of the lab.
Thinking of the darker scenarios for a moment ( I try to focus on thinking of more positive one’s like Elizabeth Smart) but wouldn’t you think something would have shown by now?
Where is this boy?!? I hope he is home soon!!!! Prayers.
Blink: My son goes to Skyline School, and I was there that fateful morning….NO WAY someone came in (stranger)
Answer this: IF stepmom is definitely NOT involved, wouldn’t YOU as (ALL 4) parents be lawyered up suing PPS, and demanding that the superintendent have Ms. Porter fired and brought up on criminal charges for child negligence for NOT being responsible for Kyron? Funny, this is the FIRST thing I would do, IF, truly I had NO knowledge or involvement in the disappearance….they are not doing this, because STEP MOM has culpability in this with the whole “Dr. appt.” conversation. It’s BS!!
So, it’s Mrs. Porter’s word against Step Mom’s word at this point. I think cops are onto it, and have shared this info. with bio-mom and step Dad, probably bio- Dad too. NOT SCREAMING AT THE TOP OF YOUR LUNGS AND BEING OUTRAGED AT THE TEACHER, (even IF “misunderstanding” took place) IS NOT HOW NORMAL PEOPLE WOULD ACT!!!!
Probably not. I would probably be afraid to sleep with the lights off. I would probably want to sleep with my parents. I would probably want to sleep next to a bonfire in my backyard so my kid could see our house from the moon. I would probably strap my baby to my person and stockpile provisions in “quick grab” areas while building my bunker. I would probably write my child letters and post them on telephone poles.
How the Hell do you get criminal charges for the teacher? She was not a security guard, and there is no 7 year old GPS life alert. Come on.
Honestly, I have had the role of sleeping next to the mother of a dead child for 48 hours, because it is common for the mind to suppress in a chronic lack of sleep situation, and the seconds or minutes between when they wake, and remember all over again their baby is gone, is a monitorable situation.
Talk about a nightmare. I mention this because no person who has not witnessed the gravity, or been a victim to it personally, could understand the array of emotional responses there are.
Jus sayin’. There is no playbook, indicitive of guilt.
I fear I have said to much…. unknown
B
Sorry Oneshot, I should have definitely worded that better and more fairly. I should have used psychopath/sociopath, as it is what I meant. I promise to not make that mistake again!
Now that Desiree has said that she & SM were not friends… how did Terri enter the picture ~ did she covet Kyron, was she fixated/ obsessed & manage to work her way into their lives? Did having her own baby -”my real daughter”, result in her withdrawing her affection from Kyron, her feelings toward him gradually growing more and more negative? I just have a feeling there is some serious personality disorder there. To me, she looks like she is concentrating all her efforts into looking grief stricken.
zeus –
I hear ya! The mind just boggles at the range of possibilities, because so few concrete facts are known about the actors, the pertinent details of that day, the current point LE’s at in the investigation, and so on.
But to your point:
“… Sadly though, for Terri, people have condemned her solely based on the fact that she was the last parent to see Kyron. …”
Personally, z, I think people are condemning Terri because her story doesn’t add up and there’s too many convenient coincidences involving choices she made that day to ignore. Doesn’t mean she’s guilty of anything, mind you (except maybe using way too much self-tanner in her body-building days), but it’s clear that – in lieu of the many pieces to the puzzle we’re missing – she has been less than forthcoming in her initial account of events leading up to Kyron’s disappearance.
Whether a certain “lifestyle” invited in a criminal element that endangered Kyron, or Terri befriended someone online (where she was obvs quite active while essentially alone all day) who targeted the boy – maybe having followed her movements via Facebook, or she colluded with someone to orchestrate Kyron’s kidnapping for some reason – or was motivated to create the appearance of such, and it somehow got out of her control – or the woman lost her goddamn mind from the pathological effects of past steroid abuse (total speculation), OR she is an innocent n this terrible situation and has become the crime’s scapegoat for lack of better leads – there are several aspects of undisputed reality that day giving me great pause:
*Kyron’s classroom was located at the end of a hallway leading directly to the school’s South exit door.
*It’s been stated by LE and district officials that while school’s in session that South door is the only unsupervised exit (can’t get in from the outside, but can push out and into the back parking lot from the inside).
*Terri’s account of her and Kyron’s movements circa 8:45 a.m. put them in the hallway leading to his classroom (and the South exit), where she claims to have watched him walk *toward* his homeroom before departing the building herself.
*It is apparent he never made it into his classroom.
So. If Terri is innocent of direct involvement in Kyron’s removal from school grounds that day, where does this alleged final scene in the building go next?
From the interviews today, it seems that Kyron is not the type of child to sneak out of school himself, or engage with someone trying to get into the school through the South door/lure him out of the school through the South door. Whatever happened around 9 a.m., its tipping point between plot and action was in steering him away from or past his classroom (and it’s hard to believe the room’s door would be closed if everyone was just settling into class as the school-day began).
One can’t ignore the fact that his destination after checking out science exhibits was his homeroom, and whomever ushered him out of the building likely did so through the oh-so-convenient door to the back lot just past it.
I am having a hard time taking seriously the thought that a person known/unknown to Terri and/or Kaine would be lurking in the shadows of this tiny school (where everyone seems to know one another), and stalking the mommy-son pair as they walked toward Kyron’s hallway – counting on Terri, a known parent-helper at Skyline, to walk away from her child before he reached his classroom – so he/she could, ostensibly, scurry unnoticed right after the boy before he reached his class, either snatching him up/racing out of the building (with no witnesses!) or approaching him before he reached the classroom door and quickly convincing him to leave the building with him/her, vanishing from the grounds with Kyron and without a trace.
… Is this workin’ for anyone? Cuz, as far as I can glean, the above set of improbable circumstances is the only way Terri’s “innocent victim” story could play out.
The small window of time between when Kyron was “last seen” and when he was gone limits the possibilities of how it happened, and the scant amount of time that he would have been completely alone (if at all) in the school that morning closes that window even further. Not to mention the fact that the perp would have to have known the building’s layout and parking lots to pull this off.
Abduction?
Not. Feelin’. It.
Nor was LE. Thus no Amber alert of a 7 year old. If one is not familiar with the burden of *not* sounding that alarm in a case like this, I say Hser Moo.
Point is, Kyron was there.
Kyron left. Apparently, it is known ( not to us) who and how. Research the last time 18 counties were activated simultaneously to find a child where there is no amber alert.
In the words of blink editor Jason Mateous visa vie Col. Klink- in more closings of emails to me than I care to admit in this case-
“I don’t like it.. I don’t like it at all..”
B
Blink,
Have been studying the ‘Priority Lead #2′, Kaine’s email to his Intel co-workers. Surprisingly, he did not lead out with anything such as, ‘omg you guys, help!! MY SON IS MISSING!’. Nope. Being very practical and sensible, lead out with perhaps they had read the news or had been crusing the internet, and proceeds to tell them what their ‘optional actions’ are. (Huh????) Then lists that they are to forward the info to as many people as possible, but not to speak with the media. And informs them that he would be contacting the legal dept for help. And so on. Many lines later, his very LAST sentence, he mentions how long Kyron had been missing, and that time was ‘of the essence’.
My guess is that Kaine, working with Intel, may have contracted with Intel for the world’s first ‘missing child chip’. I mean, who better than the father of a missing child?
I’ll take it one step further. Let’s say that very soon, maybe even tomorrow, if the signs are right, Kyron will be found alive and well, and returned to the bosom of his ‘cough’ loving family. A miracle!! And Kaine, after ‘much contemplation’, (I’ll give him say, three weeks or so), tells the public of ‘a plan’ he has to help make sure that this situation never ever happens to anyone else’s child.
What parent, who has been following this harrowing experience for the past several weeks, scared spitless at the thought of their own child’s safety at school, wouldn’t want to rush right out and get their child chipped? To prevent such a thing ever happening to their precious loved one. It would probably be free in the beginning, of course. Probably in Kyron’s honor, and named after him. (I can tell you I won’t be anywhere in line for that one. I’ll be sitting back saying, ‘uh huh, saw that one coming’).
Yes, I do realize how crazy this whole thing sounds, but what if? Others have thought this could possibly turn out to be a ‘balloon boy’ situation. But as time has gone on, that doesn’t seem likely. Or could it be? The longer it goes on with no sign of Kyron, the more sad people become, thinking perhaps the worst. When that reaches a low point, what better time to bring Kyron out from wherever they’ve spirited him off to. Perhaps he doesn’t have his glasses, what better way to ensure he doesn’t ‘see’ or recognize those who have him?
I guess only time will tell. I hate this theory for all that it might indicate about manipulating the public, etc. But at the same time, I like it because it would mean Kyron possibly being alive and safe from harm.
Blue–
I agree 100% with your statement and I thought the exact thing earlier today. I could not remember the name of the little girl/family but I recall the crime and how the parents lifestyle created an opportunity for that creep to have access to their daughter. If I’m not mistaken, they befriended him and allowed him into their home. Nonetheless, I wonder what the case was here.
Ditto to Tunedin! This is a great site Blink..I appreciate the filtering and keeping the facts straight.
TunedIn says:
June 25, 2010 at 4:32 pm
Have been lurking for three weeks and this is my first post
This tells me that they know the who, and the who is very close to the family; this is why I believe they posted the slide-show: to appeal to the emotion of this person–a person they do (did) not consider “dangerous” to Kyron.
Great work, Blink; you are amazing!
Redrock, you’re not the only one sneaking in waaay too much Kyron/Morgan time while on the time clock. Maybe we can all go back to school to be PI’s once we’re fired. But, hey, they deserve it. Just gotta remember my kids deserve to eat, too….
I wonder if the landfills have been searched? Near and far…-Just thinking about the Somer Thompson case…
2.D.A. says:
June 25, 2010 at 10:27 pm
RE: Many years ago Freemason’s in Georgia believed that same conspiracy theory. -That the Atlanta Child Murders which took place between 79′ and 81′ was for the same reason and “were done” by the government. Interesting theory about the father. -Reminds me of the “balloon boy”, although I don’t think this one will turn out that way. Although, yes, stranger things have happened…
J2K,
What’s more improbable to me is a child being snatched out of his or her own home, and yet it happens (Polly Klaas, Danielle van Dam, and Elizabeth Smart come to mind immediately). Snatching a child out of a home is more risky than snatching a child out of a school, IMHO. Perhaps someone had been watching Kyron and saw an opportunity. For a moment, assuming Terri is innocent, that fateful Friday would have been a good time to carry out this type of plan because of the unrestricted access to the school and the increased activity in general. If this person seemingly belonged their, or if it was a worker who moved in between schools, then maybe there was a plan and everything came together in a way for that plan to be carried out. I think that’s just as valid, if not more so, than Terri Horman staging an abduction from the school and murdering her stepson who, by all accounts, she loved very dearly. In the Danielle van Dam case, there was absolutely a perfect storm type scenario — drugs, swinging, partying, a little girl goes missing without anyone noticing, there is no evidence inside the house. The parents looked guilty as hell in that case, IMHO, especially as the sordid details of their lives emerged, but they didn’t rape and murder their daughter.
Some of Terri’s behavior is odd, but if she’s innocent, she’s under an extraordinary amount of stress. Let’s say her marriage is strained, and she’s innocent, well, she’s the last parental to see Kyron alive. Maybe she is having an affair and it came out. In my family, I’m always the one taking pictures. There are not that many pictures of me with my kids. From Desiree’s own mouth, she said Kyron had trouble listening to teachers. I don’t think this was in a rebellious way, but I have to wonder about ADD (I don’t think he’s hyperactive). Maybe that’s what the doctor’s appointment was about, and that’s why she gave the teacher paperwork — in that case, the teacher’s input would be required, and a giving it to the teacher a week ahead of time would be reasonable and expected. If Kyron had trouble with paying attention, maybe he forgot about the talent show or mixed up the details or said he didn’t have a part in it, and that’s why Terri didn’t plan to go, or maybe it was for students only (this is NOT uncommon in schools!). Maybe it’s true and Terri did harm Kyron, but what if she didn’t, and LE is simply barking up the easiest, shortest tree?
I am very curious about the doctors appt Kyron had the following week. I am a teacher, and the only time I have to fill out papers for a child to take to the doctor, is if there is a behavior problem such as ADHD. Do we know anything about Kyron, as far as his health? I know they said he has very poor vision, but does he have behavior issues, Autism, or any other health issues? In the beginning, I had a feeling he may have been acting up, and the SM may have been dreading summer, and having him home with her all the time. Maybe now that she has her own baby, she was tired of dealing with him. Just a thought.
I also wondered why her older son is now out of the picture. What was his relationship with Kyron and Kaine? Did Kaine send him away for mistreating Kyron? Was SM fed up about it?
I just hope they find out soon.
*there (at the school) not their (I’m tired!)
RE: Respectfully, you know i could not confirm that publicly or privately.
B
Should I call the Tip Line?
I checked the link because I haven’t seen her pictures before (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1365626&id=1264414625&fbid=1489640002015# posted above by JR) and the first thing that I noticed is that Terri has changed her profile picture to a shot of her with her daughter on her lap, and then I’m assuming Kyron and James on each side, but it’s hard to tell because the picture has been cropped to show only half of each. Someone please tell me that this is not true.
snapoutofit-
I am curious if you could elaborate on why you feel strongly about the location of the lighthouse and Pumula hot tub/boats? Is it because they seem like ample locations or due to other information you have obtained?
I’ll throw this one out there (sort of) again, but it’s based on new information.
According to Desiree, who has no known reason to lie, she and Terri weren’t friends first, and Terri wasn’t just stepping in for her friend to care for Kyron. So that means however Terri & Kaine met, Kyron was going to be a factor in the success of their relationship, and if Terri wanted Kaine enough, she had to “love” and “embrace” Kyron. Since I have seen this happen first hand, I know that it is possible for someone to pretend long enough to get what they want, and then discard what is no longer useful to them and might be cutting into their time/priorities.
It takes a fairly sociopathic person to do this, but since I have witnessed it, I am certain that it does happen. Of course, the person who I witnessed doing this is a sociopath, but it’s not obvious to anyone until they get really up close and personal with him, and he has a very shiny public image, noble even. So maybe Terri did, and maybe she didn’t, and maybe the facts just look worse than they are for her, but I do know that it can happen that someone fakes it and fools everyone. The one trait that Terri and the sociopath I know do share is adoption, and certainly I have many friends who are adopted who would never even exceed the legal speed limit much less do anything like this, but as I understand it from a friend who is an expert in adoption issues, there can be serious emotional scars for the adopted child if things go wrong during the bonding process. Please note that I’m not expressing an opinion of what I believe, or making a negative statement about adoption or that it played any role here, I’m just throwing out some possibilities based on experiences I’ve had and some info shared by a friend.
It often seems that the simplest reasons for things are the right answer. There probably is no overly complicated plan or explanation. If it’s not about money, it’s about sex. Either someone coveted that boy or wanted to make the Hormans suffer.
But in no way do I see Terri as a mastermind of any sort, CSI watching or not. She seems like a pretty simple thinker but loves fantasy. Loves WOW, detective stories, you name it. She needs excitement in her life. And it does seem likely there is a third party that was invited into the lives of this family.
As a poster noted earlier, there were no strangers in this building. So it does make sense that she found her fantasy diversion in another parent. But how on earth as a fellow parent and member of another family can you pull of an abduction without tipping that off to your spouse, kids, etc? Where do you stash Kyron? How do you explain absences from work? This is no transient passing through with a free schedule. This is a real person with a real life to keep up for appearances….
RE: crimewriter says:
June 25, 2010 at 11:27 pm
Not trying to bring this to the level of government and conspiracy theories, lol. The men in the Horman family are known to be freemasons, but that may have nothing to do with this though. I was thinking along the lines of it being Kaine and Intel wanting to advance that ‘chip your child’ idea. Many pet owners have been convinced to chip their pets, because of so many getting lost or stolen. And some think it’s just a hop-skip-jump to the idea of our kids being next. Intel being one of the leaders in the field of technology and all that. I wouldn’t have thought of this had Kaine had some other career, like being a contractor or something. lol
Re: the profile pic, you can get to it if you follow the photo link cited above and then click on “Back to Terri Moulton Horman’s Photos”
I have just spent the better part of my afternoon catching up on these posts. A lot of comments and new information to go through, geez, of course I can’t help but throw in my own 2 cents…
At “barelythere:”
I can’t account for anything but what I saw on her Facebook page, but, yes, 8:01, farmville. I have friends that are obsessed with this game and she very well could have posted something on her way out the door?
At “Zeus:”
I don’t think the fact that she called the school seems to point out that it’s unlikely that she had anything to do with it. Persoanlly,I think, finding out about the science project seems like a perfect cover to check-in. I’d be very curious to know what time this call was made. Maybe it was her chance to turn back if she was questioned about his whereabouts, but she instead she had the “green light.”
Also, in another of your comments you stated that people are focusing on Terri because she was the last person to him, I don’t think that’s entirely it. Maybe in part and I’m sure that the police always focus on the last person to see a victim, but as for the public, I have to think that it’s a lot more because of her behavior after, specifically the gymm and facebook activity. I don’t know where you are, but I am in Portland and people immediately went to her FB page as soon as it was public on the news. Once those things came forward, eyebrows raised. I didn’t suspect her at all myself, until I looked at her FB page (not that my opinion matters at all! just saying)
At “Oneshoot:”
sociopthatic disorder is a mental illness, as is bi-polar disorder and so on. I think maybe you’re interpreting “mental retardation” as “mental illness,” these things are quite different.
At “ac:”
In your comment about the photo with the caption reading “my real daughter” I did see that, although, I can’t say for sure that is a true quote, but i remember thinking “whoa, that’s weird,” but then I thought perhaps this just meant her daughters “real” look or expression. If it said my “real child…” but I am not convinced that this meant anything at all.
As for the parents speaking out. I agree with Sloppygirl, that perhaps if this whole “lifestyle choices” theory proves true, the parents are there to say this is “our” child. Additionally, if I were Terri I’d get counsel too. It seems like for some reason retaining counsel makes the public think everyones guilty, but it’s “counsel.” That doesn’t seem strange to me. It also doesn’t seem strange that Terri wasn’t there. Seriously, how could she be at this point? Whether she is the main POI, or they are using her smoke someone else out, there’s no way that would be in anyone’s best interest, except the public’s need to dissect her. I watched the interviews and upon reading others interpretations, I am really impressed. Several things seemed off to me (wordings, etc) but I couldn’t figure it out. But people on here do a great job. Especially after having read that those may indeed be his glasses, it makes sense may of the things that they have said (and not said)…well, it makes more sense that it may be “in code” or they must keep silent. But I will say the whole part about Terri, as far as Kaines reaction, I couldn’t agree more, soooo detachted, which was surprisingly positive I think, he seems more focused on Kyron than anything else and that’s good. But all the detachment definitely leads me to believe she’s a POI of some sort, and maybe in my mind too, because yes, he doesn’t have to say anything but he could say, “she loves kyron so much and is just worried sick like us,” but to just shut it down like that, hmmmmm?
And as for Desiree getting paid for the photos, fine. That’s not weird to me at all! She lives in Medford, she needs to be here, how can they afford this? This would be hell in so many ways, including financially. If she can get some income in order to say here and look for Kyron, while continuing to get his face out there, so be it.
And I don’t remember who posted what that got me thinking, but as far as Terri being such a great parent…well, not to get personal here but my mother is “nuts” she loves to talk about how great she is, she adopted my sister and is an emotionally and mentally abusive parent but she loves to stroke her own ego about it and “remind” my sister and everyone else how “lucky” my sister is and how much worse her life would be if it weren’t for her (my mother). My mother is also the person that LOVES babies because she HATES rejection and any type of independence she takes as a form of rejection, so I would say for both my sister and ,(almost 2 decades apart), by the time we were school age 7 – 8 our mother began being really abusive mentally and emotionally, most likely because this is when the idolation of parents for children begins to wane. Not that she was great before that but she WAS IN total CONTROL before that, she could successfully emotionally manipulate us. Is my mom a killer? no. But she’s been sucidal and she often does and says things I can’t believe anyone would. Anyway, I just want to be clear, this story isn’t about me and that’s not why I am sharing it…just to say that sometimes people that make things/themselves look and sound really great on the outside doesn’t mean they are completely messed up on the inside.
My last thoughts: I am SURE Terri has been interrogated – they aren’t going to broadcast this, it’s also called interviewed from my understanding. I can’t believe that The Oregonian released an article with such inaccurate information about the relationship between all parties, what else was false in there besides the relationship between Desiree and Terri? I don’t like spreading rumors. But, for the most part, I don’t even know what is and what isn’t a rumor in this case?!
I hope that people’s assumptions are correct and some crazy person has kyron and took him as a way to lure Terri for a visit and it didn’t work and now he’s panicking, but Kyron is still alive and well…but, still in my gut, I don’t think so. I think she had more to do with it than just being caught up in the wrong crowd. I guess I haven’t read up on enough crime cases, it just sounds weird to me – all that from the school, way too premeditated to me for what sounds like more of a crime of passion senario. Plus Terri’s behavior, like calling the school after dropping him off about when to pick up the project, the questionaires, the odd behavior, the cell phone pings, not walking him into class, the doctors appointment. Um uh, I am not buying it. Maybe she didn’t “harm” him but that may be a question of semantics when we are all in the know. I do think she is responsible one way or another. But like I have said before I don’t care if I am wrong. I have no invested interest in it being her, I just can’t shake the feeling. Also, as I have said before, I don’t think anyone person doing this is better or worse than another. It’s awful. And oh my goodness, his glasses, he can’t see. How heartbreaking. And how interesting that you, Blink, think those are his glasses, yes, maybe Desiree is asking in her interview to protect him, telling the “whoever” “could” have him, that he can’t see, or if they took his glasses off maybe they are trying to convince the person that he can’t identify him, or simply to draw sympathy. Either way, sad, sad, sad.
The glasses being found (if indeed those are his) is really eating away at me. It is such an overt act to knowingly remove Kyron’s “lifeline”…as his mother so perfectly put it. The finding of these glasses can be read several different ways…and the interpretations lead to such varying theories…
One benefit to removing his glasses would be to avoid him seeing locations, faces, etc., ideal for a non-family abductor. But having taken him from school (with glasses), this seems moot….as Kyron would obviously have seen this person.
A second reason to remove the glasses has been mentioned…and that is to show possession of Kyron. Since his entire family understands their value to him. This again points to non-family member abduction, but with the intent to inflict suffering or get ransom.
A third reason is exceptionally sinister and is also related to suffering. I can think of a couple of scenarios where this makes sense… a resentful stepmother…a jealous stepbrother…a taunting bully….any one of those types of people may knowingly take pleasure in making him feel uneasy. Wretched.
Or a fourth reason. If the glasses were found (and not sent by someone) it could be an accidental separation. But I suppose with this being a “criminal investigation” it means LE knows something we do not…I’m not sure the SM’s deceptiveness would be enough to classify it as a criminal case…would it?
Blink,
What’s your take on Lisa? The reason I’m asking is bc something’s just not jiving with her, imo. You see, I really think that if it was a scorned lover or something of “Terri’s”, then why would they take Kyron instead of Kiara? The pings on Sauvie Island & the reference to Brian, well pffft. Who else would wanna get back at him? Why would the cell ping there? Ok, maybe terri was involved with him at one point, who knows, right? But…maybe Lisa was sick of a few things herself, like maybe there was some sort of competition between Kyron & Tanner, maybe Kyron always had the better support system, etc. Gramma is in the process of losing her home (supposedly where Lisa lives?) while her nextdoor neighbor makes decent money PLUS has residential custody of his son. In viewing Lisa’s old MySpace, I notice that Gramma ran Tanner’s dad into the ground, called him an “F-up”, etc. Hmmm. Maybe it’s both Terri AND Lisa, her so-called best friend or what have you. Or, maybe Lisa is “plumbrqt” & is trying to frame Terri and/or Brian. I also noticed on her old MySpace that she’s into “True Crime”, too. Something just doesn’t jive with it being Terri & ONLY Teri, kwim? I’m thinking a swinging lifestyle, like some others are thinking. Whatever, to each their own, but guess what – Lisa has ALOT of (old a/c) MySpace connections that are soft porn sexy erotic females, etc. Maybe she & Terri had something.
Honestly, we have scoured their myspaces and facebooks and there are several areas I find off. But then again, could be just a difference in backgrounds? However, there are several references to drug use among a few family members.
I can’t even confirm where Lisa has been living.
B
Jackie Bauer–
The new profile pic has her and all three kids. She is holding her daughter and Kyron is on her left and James on the right. It strikes me as a wise move type of PR stunt. Damage control of sorts. JMHO
The Terri stepping in to care for Kyron because Desiree was sick story originated with Terri’s friend who provided lots of “information” about her dear close friend. She’s the same person who informed the public that Terri was to take a second polygraph test and was angered about that. Anyways, my point is I wonder if Terri lied to her friend about how she met Kaine? Where in the heck did such a detailed story come from? It’s quite bizarre and it casts yet another shade of doubt on Terri’s character. JMHO
Mimi,um….no. The first thing you would do is sue the teacher? Please. The first thing you would do is spend ALL of your time trying to find Kyron. You really don’t even know what SM told the teaher; maybe SM totally scammed the teacher and DID say she was taking Kyron to the doctor that day.
JR, you make some awesome points – points that only a parent who truly loves his/her child (or stepchild, or adopted child or whatever) would understand. Incredibly simple and incredibly true. Your actions speak 100% about how you feel about your child, and you can’t fake that kind of love. When you love a child he/she is the center of your universe. So all these things you mentioned – the lack of descriptive photos, the video camera trained on the baby, even the PERFECTION of the red tree frog project which she must have probably done MOST OF considering the absolute neatness of it, seemingly because she wanted that credit and her child’s work wasn’t good enough – these little things tell the real story. The look on Terri’s face in that flyer is sad, but maybe it’s “OMG. I screwed up my life. What’s going to happen to me?” not “OMG, what has happened to Kyron.” I do believe his biological mother loves him and the step-father seems to have a warm relationship with him, just looking at photos and of course IMO. If you love a kid, it’s OBVIOUS to all around you. If you don’t, that’s equally obvious in so many ways as JR said.
I’m sorry if this was explained somewhere in here and I missed it…I tried to find the answer but didn’t have any luck. That said…
I get your theory of the glasses. They do look worn. LE putting out a photo of Kyron without glasses. Desiree mentioning how much he needs his glasses. But what I can’t understand is why the police would go to the point of hiding the fact that they are really Kyron’s glasses.
Even if someone gave the family the glasses as proof of having Kyron, LE wouldn’t have to lie about the fact that they found the glasses, right? They could say they found them but couldn’t say where. In fact, it seems to me that it would be more beneficial for the public to KNOW that Kyron doesn’t have his glasses.
I just don’t understand why LE would go to the point of releasing a picture of a “replica” of Kyron’s glasses…what exactly would that do? I’m sure I’m not getting something…would you mind explaining? Thanks!
Because that would be info only the perp would know.
Because the perception would be that Kyron may be deceased and possibly escalate a bad situation, or make someone panic, putting themselves or others at risk.
B
Blink, it would be cool if you had time to summarize what we DO know thusfar and anything you ARE able to share, maybe in a timeline. That way people don’t keep jumping in in the middle with stuff like, was the substitute teacher there, what time did SM call the school about picking up the project, where was the baby, does anyone think those are his real glasses, etc., stuff that you have answered WAY back there, more than once…. Then you don’t have to keep sifting through the same stuff. However, I know you’ve got a lot going on. Just a thought.
Unfortunately in this work, people pick up interest in these cases at different times. Readers and contributors here help out quite a bit when things have already been discussed.
I lol’d at a reader the other day who posted “i know I am going to get Blink’s .. You might want to read my article..” but in fact iirc, she had a valid question.
I plan some updates for next week, your correct, I am slammed right now.
B
@JR- Your info and insight is spot on.
@DA- Yeah Yeah Yeah, when your kid is dead or missing, THEN you’ll be the expert on how shocked and bereaved parents SHOULD react.
@Blink- You know…having received the call, living with the horror and terror of the traumatic, unexpected death of a child, I often bristle (and sometimes) grind my teeth when people talk about how they WOULD act, how someone SHOULD act, pretending to speak with authority, as if they knew. Even after years of working with families who have lost children, I don’t profess to be an authority on the appropriate response for each and every person and situation. Your words “I would probably want to sleep next to a bonfire in my backyard so my kid could see our house from the moon. I would probably strap my baby to my person and stockpile provisions in “quick grab” areas while building my bunker. I would probably write my child letters and post them on telephone poles.” You do know. Your compassion and empathy have always impressed me, but I am truly touched to know that you understand and fully appreciate the horror of it. ” have had the role of sleeping next to the mother of a dead child for 48 hours, because it is common for the mind to suppress in a chronic lack of sleep situation, and the seconds or minutes between when they wake, and remember all over again their baby is gone, is a monitorable situation.” I and friends had that happen…it’s that moment when you wake up and then remember. It disappears after some time (years). Horrible. Thanks so much for taking the time to make a difference. You (and your team) are an inspiration, and give hope, even in the darkest of circumstances.
I so want them to find him and bring him home.
You hit my bullseye mack-
Thanks for the kind words, just want to clarify all my experience does not change the fact that while I have it, it is not my child, and I think that horror is mutually exclusive; I say out of respect for those like yourself that have experienced it. Prayers and Peace.
B
Not horrible that it disappears. The waking, thinking that it must have been a dream, thinking “It’s Saturday, I need to take him to basketball practice this morning,” then realizing, horrible. Horror and terror.
To Jackie Bauer,
You are correctly associating Reactive Attachment Disorder with sociopaths.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:x3w6HlsBA_cJ:www.sbbh.pitt.edu/files/powerpoint/RAD%2520presentation.ppt+reactive+attachment+disorder+site:.edu&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari
Hey J2K, I know what you mean, the mind just boggles at the range of possibilities-and more coming every day! Thanks for always being so respectful of mine and others ideas!
Personally, I’m voting for: (11 D.A. says:
June 25, 2010 at 10:27 pm.) The theory that has Kyron safe and a child chip plot under way sounds great. Mostly because it ends with Kyron coming home alive! We can always hope!
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Well I just spent about two hours of my life-that I can NEVER get back-looking into the swinger’s lifestyle in Portland on websites, facebook and myspace. I know things I really didn’t want to know now and I am not a prude by any means. But I do have some tips for all the people who have put their lives on display on these sites.
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1. DO NOT use your photo with your child in it for your profile picture on those sites. Damn, I thought that would NOT have to be said! There were even a few with Kyron’s picture(the missing poster profile pic)-WTH are these idiots thinking? Really? Seriously? Do they think everyone who visits these sites are sweet, wonderful people looking for sex with consenting adults only? NOT! When it comes to your precious children you better rethink what you are doing!
2. If you are going to swing, and visit places where sex is the theme du jour-you might want to think up a way for your picture to stay private or use a cartoon caricature-seriously! You put it out there-it’s public-it searchable-it’s being looked at for far more than you can ever imagine!
3. If you want to roll with the free loving crowd-you may also want to stop and think of the effects it may have on your kids in so many varied ways. Least of all, embarrassment, if and when your kids find out-most of all, if someone uses you to get to your kids and you have no clue because you are in lala land-getting off with people you know nothing about! So that orgy you just performed in may have had a SO who could care less about you, but is REALLY interested in your daughter or son who is on your profile pic for your chosen swingers club!
Consenting adults-go for it if you want-I don’t care what you do. But once you brings kids into the equation, by having your “get-togethers” at your homes, or their pictures easily viewable on your social networking sites with sexual themes-then you have crossed the line into unacceptable and dangerous! You are asking for big trouble.
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Oh, and to:
# 11
Wendi M says:
June 25, 2010 at 6:49 pm
Let’s leave Club Sesso out of this. You have no proof they are members, and no need to assume that the members there are child abductors, killers, etc.
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Of course we aren’t assuming that the members of Club Sesso are child abductors, killers, etc., but I would bet there are some people who may be using these types of clubs for networking things you really couldn’t imagine.
Coupla things: JackieBauer: the photo of TH, the baby and the 2 boys is full (not cropped) on her profile page http://www.facebook.com/terri.horman
I think J2K posted that Kyron did not make it to his classroom? I thought that one of the few facts we have about that morning was that he did go to the classroom but then told his friend that he was going back down to the science fair to look at an electric exhibit, and he left the room again.
I want to say thanks to Blink and all her contributors that keep me up to date on little Kyron’s story. Without you all, I would not know anything. I am greatly saddened by the latest news – and I hope against hope that little Kyron is being held by someone, and is safe and will be returned. I will keep this hope until their isn’t the slightest chance.
Still praying for the little guy and his family. May he be home in time for fireworks.
& further to my previous comment: Maybe Lisa & KAINE shared something, once. Maybe they shared a “swinging lifestyle” & she just couldn’t stand rejection from yet another man when she wanted something more. Maybe that’s why Kyron was taken & she could be trying to frame Terri. Mind you, this is only hypothetical…I still think Terri’s involved somehow, maybe even directly. I truly believe there’s a reason Terri’s cell pinged on Sauvie Island, and that reason may not be a nice thing…
I would like to point out that although I generated the piece suggesting that cell pings were being used to generate the request for traffic video and thus led to the search on Sauvie- I never said they were Terri’s, that to my knowledge is from “un-named sources.”
B
From Oregon Live-can we believe them about these new things?
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_parents_reveal_n.html
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Though Kyron’s parents mostly stayed away from specific information about the investigation, Horman did talk about where he was the day Kyron disappeared. He worked that morning at Intel, but came home in the afternoon. He waited at the bus stop for Kyron with his wife, Terri Moulton Horman, and their 18-month-old daughter.
When Kyron didn’t get off the bus, they thought he might be waiting at Skyline because they had talked earlier of maybe going out for ice cream after school to celebrate the science fair. When they realized he wasn’t there, they panicked, Horman said.
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That was info I hadn’t seen before.
So we have heard Kyron’s dad worked all day, stayed home all day, worked part of the day, worked just the morning, met the afternoon bus, didn’t meet the bus, what is actually true in this case?
This is the first I heard that the baby was with them, and all three of them went to meet the school bus. This is the first I have heard about the ice cream to celebrate the science fair.
Why would Kyron choose to stay at school and wait for his parents to come pick him up and go for ice cream? Had they discussed this possibility with him earlier? Had they told him they might pick him up so they could get the project and go for ice cream? Had they forgotten to tell him for sure and then just assumed that he would take the bus if they weren’t there? Did they feel he understood they meant to go for ice cream after he got home, or did they not really think about the possible ice cream trip until they realized he wasn’t on the bus? So much new stuff to think about!
Sorry to hog! I had only read up to the ice cream part when I made my comment above, just finished the article and there’s more. I’m curious as to how much is gospel and how much could be worded the way the paper wants.
Bullets of interest:
* Kaine Horman said investigators have searched his home and property several times and would be welcome to do so as many times as needed.
* Kyron’s parents addressed accounts that he was scheduled to perform in a talent show the day he disappeared, saying they didn’t know it beforehand. They also explained why they weren’t involved in the extensive ground search, saying they aren’t search-and-rescue-certified and didn’t want to get in the way.
* They said they think search teams were frequently spotted on Sauvie Island because Kyron’s been on several field trips there, and his family visits a pumpkin patch.
* Kaine Horman said he fully supported the release of the questions and flier, saying they were another way to gather information about Kyron — not something aimed at his wife.
“Issuing that questionnaire is just another way to get another angle or perspective from people who were at the school that day — and hopefully, more data points and leads that perhaps they didn’t think of the first time through,” he said. “I actually view it as a very positive step.”
* Neither stepparent attended the interviews Friday, though they have appeared at earlier news conferences. Kaine Horman said that he and Young wanted to go before cameras together as Kyron’s natural parents.
That’s the most info I’ve seen yet!
I agree JR and J2K…I just don’t see how in the world it could be connected to Terri and follow this timeline???? It makes no sense at all to me. And I guess it’s prett much consensus that it’s most likely/definitely/obviously not an abduction. The only way I can see it not being Terri if she simply had someone else do it, but that still leaves her responsible.
And I am still curious as to what aspects about her make one believe that it’s not her? As I said in my previous post the feeling I get from her is that she is devoted for her own self-worth not necessarily because she is selfless. I just don’t see how any one, any mother, step-mother could kill her child or ANY child??? So what is it about her that leaves doubt. Honestly, this is the first time I have ever been active in this site or followed any case this closely. I usually just end up seeing the 20/20 version…to me her behavior and everything, the timeline, the direction of the police…all of it leads to Terri. I just hope soon it all leads to Kyron.
Also, as for the PPS system I just want to say that I love my childs school and unless I walk him into his classroom I am not naive enough to think that they know exactly where he is. I just trust in the world and that he will go to class. And if this whole doctors thing is true, well, if Terri had a good relationship with the school and teacher it doesn’t seem strange at all that she wouldn’t be alerted. And as for the bag and coat, if she thought they were going to an appointment maybe the teacher just thought, oops they forgot his stuff, I mean it was an eventful morning. I don’t blame the schools at this point. Maybe we need more funding : ) but that, my friends, is OUR responsibility as a community. We are the voters on that one.
Interesting connection between the Pumalas/Fuhrers and the Hormans! If there is indeed a Pumala/Fuhrer connection to the case, that could explain the focus on SM and Sauvie Island. I have a hard time, though, understanding how/why a kidnapping would be related to an affair, although SM does seem to be somehow linked to SI. Might there be drugs involved? Maybe the perp intended to hold Ky ransom in return for drugs/drug money? Did SM go to SI to meet with someone after leaving the school, unaware that her stepson was being kidnapped at that moment?
Interesting that there is also a white truck at the Fuhrer residence next door – at least on the day the photo was taken. Perhaps the reason for the inquiries about SM and the white truck on the school questionaire is to establish whether another white truck was spotted on school property after SM left the premises.
I also wanted to note that, in pictures of the classrooms at Skyline School, backpacks and coats are hung on pegs at the back of the room, so Ky’s belongings would not have been at his desk.
Also, I believe I read somewhere that the dad went to work in the morning, but returned home around noonish (not sure of time).
As for the search dogs not finding anything at the school, I think this is only in reference to a body. I’m sure there are many clues that have been gathered but have not been publicized so as not to hinder the investigation.
This is such a baffling and heart-breaking case. I hope Kyron is soon found safe!
I don’t have alot of Internet time but I read most of
your posts after work and on breaks
I have found Kaine to be really unusal in that he
said he was timid and shy same thing that
has been said about kyron
he should be mad as H. That some one took
his son
even animals get mad if their young are touched
where is his outrage
where is his thankfulness for all the people
who care
he is so in control of his feelings
that he makes me wonder
about him
I don’t see him at a swinger club
or anywhere else except an office
working with accounts
well let’s hope this case breaks soon
I don’t like body building for women
I think we girls should leave it to the men
but that is JMO. All that sweat smelly
stuff Is not for me
Lol, I have never had an interest in bodybuilding, but I am an athlete, so I respect the dedication it takes to compete in that environment. It has been in excess of 90 degrees here all last week and I am struggling through my daily runs like crazy. I suffered a serious concussion in March, so I was not cleared to run again until recently. I sweat and smell like a dude when I am done to the point I rinse off with the hose before I even go back in the house for a shower.
In both pregnancies, I gained 60 lbs. I say I gained 60 lbs. because once I did I stopped asking the Dr what my weight was, and one of my babes was a month early.
I am telling you these embarrassing tidbits because I think the theory that Terri went off the deep end due to bodybuilding or being out of shape is “out there.” This woman lived the last 6 months of her life on facebook, asissting at Kyron’s school, going on field trips, etc. I am just not seeing the mental possibilities some are throwing out there.
Brings me back to lifestyle of the two of them. If something was going on, it’s in the privacy aspect of their lives, imo.
I equate it to anyone that has friends that end up divorced and you were floored by the news. Nobody knows what goes on behind a couple’s closed doors.
One of my fave sayings:
There are always 3 sides to a story.
His. Hers. The Truth.
B
http://www.kgw.com/video/featured-videos/Raw-Kyrons-parents-full-interview-97177194.html
in this 20 minute long interview kaine states that he was working from home that afternoon and walked with terri and the baby to get kyron, when he didn’t get off the bus they thought he might have waited at the school because kaine mentioned going to get ice cream after school, but he heard terri talking to the busdriver and overheard “he hadn’t been at school all day.” he states at that point they started to physicall run to get up to the school, to go their car, to get to the school. i don’t know if any of this is relevant, but people seem to really wonder about these specific events, so here ya go.
@ D.A. says:
June 25, 2010 at 10:27 pm
Scary theory sounds like something out of the original Stepford Wives movie; however in today’s world anythings possible especially after the balloon boy story.. At least in that scenario Kyron comes home safe & sound thank you Lord..
I believe Terri has been taken out of public appearances and Kaine coached on NOT making “we” statements for a very strategic purpose.
Whoever took Kyron is being sent another message via the media, IMO, and LE hopes that the POI will react.
MontanaMom: At this point, it is just speculation that the eyeglasses presented to the public as a replica of Kyron’s are his actual eyeglasses. But, it is very plausible. Until I read Blink’s theory, I wondered what purpose a replica of Kyron’s eyeglasses would serve since there are pictures posted everywhere of him wearing them. I think the eyeglasses are an encouraging sign, suggestive that Kyron is still alive. The kidnapper probably mailed the eyeglasses to Terri and/or Kaine to intimidate them (possibly blackmail). Also, the perp wants Kyron to feel vulnerable and submissive (he’s at his abductor’s mercy without his eyeglasses). I think the police want to keep the perp uncertain as to the authenticity of the eyeglasses, and uncertain as to the amount of information they have, to coax him/her into releasing Kyron unharmed before they close in. They don’t want to risk sending the kidnapper into panic mode by divulging too much information.