Kyron Horman Missing and Endangered Sources: Terri Horman Arrest Is Imminent
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Portland, OR– Late this evening, blinkoncrime.com has learned from a source close to Terri Horman that she expects to be arrested at anytime on possible charges related to endangering the welfare of a child.
It is not known if those charges are related to the disappearance of her 7 year old step-son Kyron Horman, or her daughter, Kiara Horman, 18 months.
Following the filing of the and restraining order by Kaine Horman, Terri’s estranged husband and Kyron and Kiara’s Father, the restraining order was subsequently sealed by the court on Monday.
However, under Oregon law, for primary custody to be awarded without mutual agreement in this phase, an emergency ex-parte order must be filed. That requires a fairly heavy burden in the immediate threat area.
Blinkoncrime.com Contributors Weigh In:
J2K
This is all adding up to a very sad conclusion for me, folks.
First, we’ve got The Family Statement (minus Terri) released Monday:
“We have been fully briefed by law enforcement on the on-going criminal investigation.
We are in complete support of that investigation. We have asked the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office to facilitate releasing this statement for us due to their access to the media/flash news.
We understand that we have free access to the media but are limiting statements to the media to keep the integrity of the investigation intact.
Any actions taken by the investigation, or by us, are based on the best interests of Kyron and Kiara and comply with the law. Beyond this, we have no comment on the matter.”
Got to say… I’ve had a baaaaad feeling ever since the term “criminal investigation” was used following the initial groundswell of search efforts. To me, that says, while short a body, it has been determined a crime was committed and, as such, resources were shifted from recovery/rescue to collecting evidence for beyond-a-reasonable-doubt identification of the suspected offender and his/her eventual prosecution/conviction for the crime.
In other (read: fewer) words, the emphasis is on criminal responsibility now. That likely means there is reason to believe Kyron is no longer expected to be found alive, and it’s time to enforce the law against the person(s) responsible for his death – even if, in Terri’s case, she only suspected of being guilty of endangering his welfare. (Though, as opposed to many astute thinkers here, I believe she – and she alone – is directly behind his death.)
As far as the seemingly dragged-out nature of the case, there is, of course, something to be said for the old trope: A watched pot never boils.
But, more to the reality of the situation, detectives assigned to this investigation have to abide by the consitutionally guaranteed rights of the accused throughout its course – that’s why we have not seen an arrest yet, imo. I think (as B has noted repeatedly) they are building a case here that can be prosecuted based on someone’s *intent* to do harm. (And the specific question in this instance is: Who had the means, will and way to intentionally harm little Kyron?)
I also agree with B and other posters on this thread that the procedurals in the case – and its seeming veil of secrecy – totally reflect the Susan Smith situation: i.e., *dual* investigations, with one out in the open and the other hush-hush until the “shocking” arrest was made.
To wit, there was the “public” investigation in the wake of a desperate, sobbing mother’s police report and pleading press conference – here, LE searched for Smith’s allegedly “carjacked” young boys and the alleged kidnapper; the other was “secret,” wherein Smith herself was the focus. While these separate probes were being conducted, LE couldn’t be truly certain which one would be successful, but ultimately they were able to get a confession out of Smith by confronting her with the evidence uncovered during their under-the-radar investigation.
I’s with B – I think we’re about to see that happen here.
This was further underscored on June 26 by Kaine getting Kiara, a powerhouse family attorney, and the F outta Dodge. The fact that he was able to successfully obtain emergency legal custody (without Terri present at the hearing) through Oregon’s FAPA law shows he was able to show the judge that Terri’s ability to access him and Kiara put his child in immediate physical danger.
DC08
5 years ago I took care of Kyron at a daycare (he was ages 2-3).
I saw his step-mom and talked with her at each drop off. She was very kind, very motherly.
For the past few weeks I kept thinking…they look really familiar, then I realized I knew her during her body building time. She was dedicated to that new hobby and seemed to enjoy it.
Her older son was very well behaved, and was loved by Kyron-I don’t recall feeling any concern at all. He helped read to Kyron on the rough drop off days. Not one thing in my mind raises a red flag about her behavior then to what is going on now.
But, that is what’s scary- it’s usually someone you just would never have suspected. It’s heart breaking to think about.
As for the dad’s job, my husband works at Intel and it’s a job where you might have manditory meetings all morning but can work from home as well. Depends on exactly what he did. Most engineers are flexible and Intel wants to enable you to work from home if you cannot come into the office for whatever reason. His being home at ‘odd’ times to everyone else could have just been a thing that even our family is used to.
No speculation there. It’s interesting reading everyone’s comments. I’m more of ‘innocent until proven guilty’ not visa versa, but this case is so strange that that’s hard to apply- even having once known this family.
Skyline Parent– Email From Today
Dear Parent of Skyline School:
We are sending this follow up email because we do not believe that we have received a response from you or your child regarding your and / or their observations on June 4, 2010 at Skyline School. Sometimes we have received partial responses from families, and we just want to make sure that we have all the responses from everyone in your family who was present that day.
We realize it is possible that the reason we haven’t received a response from you could be as simple as the fact that you were not there that day.
At this point, it would be helpful for us to know that as well. A simple reply to this email with your name and the information that you were NOT present can assist us in taking you off of our list requiring follow up.
If you or your child WERE at Skyline on June 4, and you haven’t yet responded, please take a moment now to do so. The questionnaire is attached for your convenience. You can either print it, fill it out, scan and send back OR simply respond in the body of an email. Please remember to include your full name as well as your child’s (or children’s).
If we do not receive a response, law enforcement will be contacting you personally later this week. A quick response saves resources, and is much appreciated.
Thank you.
J2K
This Just In…
And, as B would say: “Uh boy.”
According to Terri’s hopelessly “helpful” backwoods publicist, “Terri Moulton Horman was ‘blindsided’ by the divorce papers, according to a close friend.
“A friend of Terri who wished to remain anonymous, told KOIN Local 6 Kyron Horman’s step-mother was caught off guard when she was served divorce papers as well as a restraining order from her husband and Kyron’s father, Kaine Horman.
‘Terri didn’t know she was going to be hit with divorce papers or a restraining order,’ the friend said”
…
(http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Terri-Horman-may-talk-to-the-media/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx)
Oooookay. When paired with the gist pieces of the Family Statement (strategically released the day before the divorce “bombshell” got dropped):
“We have been fully briefed by law enforcement on the on-going criminal investigation. …Any actions taken… by us, are based on the best interests of Kyron and Kiara and comply with the law. …”
This can only add up to one conclusion, the way I see it. Kaine, Desiree and Tony were advised by the Sheriff’s Office last week on Terri’s impending arrest. (And Kaine was likely further advised: Lawyer up. Leave. File. Wait.)
tic tic tic…
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Here’s the actual Divorce papers in PDF format…
http://media.wweek.com/attach/2010/06/29/Divorce.pdf
Can someone explain to me why a missing person may be described as “endangered” as opposed to simply “missing”? Even when LE believes a missing person may be deceased, this belief does not always result in the “endangered” designation. In short, then, what does the designation suggest or imply?
Terri probably just snapped?
Is it possible under the law that Kaine would be granted his restraining order if he presented the court with the notion that Terri’s impending arrest may cause her to be a flight risk? Was he afraid she might take their daughter and flee?
Unlikely. The court is going to be hesitant to speculate on an un-charged individual in an ex-parte hearing.
To be honest, these types of orders are pretty rare. Threat of “something” must be proven imminent.
Also, because it is sealed, I should note these types of orders are NOT permanent. They are generally only 5-10 days with an interim period for the respondent to object and be heard by the court.
I truly doubt this would be ordered with a no visitation and no contact order without an impending arrest.
B
I believe the older son James knows something and perhaps that’s why he was sent away. The timing is too much of a coincedence. Does anyone know if he’s been questioned?
I’m impressed with this site. Thank you for all of the info and hard work.
Good evening , Blink
So , you did say its going to happen some time this week, didnt you ?
Thx for the great info
Vidda
NantucketJen–
Terri’s older son, James was sent to live with his grandparents in January 2010, and he is now living with his biological father. That means he has been out of the house for quite awhile. The rumor is that he was having problems with Kaine, but that seems fairly typical especially considering his estrangement from his natural father for many years. He was raised by a stepfather who legally adopted him (I think)and continues to pay child support. Then, of course he had Kaine as another father figure raising hm for many years. Must have been confusing for a young boy to deal with. Anyways, I don’t really think he figures into this situation. JMHO
Jeez you constantly have me picking my jaw up off the floor here Blink!
I sincerely wish I was reporting Kyron’s safe return- poor innocent little guy.
B
In my view, her imminent arrest is due to an act either committed or threatened upon their daughter Kiara, on or right before 6/26/10. I think it was a severe situation as evidenced by no red tape stops whatsoever.
RE: Futureman says: June 29, 2010 at 11:23 pm
Only thing I can figure is that the difference between an ‘endangered missing’ person vs. a ‘missing’ person…….is the risk to the one missing. As in a child perhaps having a disability as well as being missing. An elderly person perhaps having alzheimers or something. I think it’s when the child or adult is also considered ‘at risk’. Altho I’d think a missing child of any age would be considered at risk, with a disability – even more at risk. Who decides the degree of ‘at risk’?
Good question! I can’t find a good answer tho, sry. I even asked Jeeves.
Wow. Huge developments in the last 24 hours and pretty much narrowing down to “who” I’ve speculated this whole time. Now I wonder if and when we are going to find out the “what” and “why”?
But more than anything, I hope by some miracle we find Kyron…still very alive.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_stepmother.html
“Also Saturday, a 9-1-1 call came in from the Horman’s home at 5:46 p.m., regarding “threats” at the property. The sheriff’s office declined to allow its release, citing the ongoing investigation”
That’s the night KH left with the baby.
Great posts from J2K (I’ve been hoping you’d post here!) and DC08; ver-ry interesting about LE wanting to clarify their questionaire. I thought it might have missed some people…I would have had every single family in that school fill one out. “Were you there? What did you experience?”
I found the restraining order very odd–unless arrest is on its way or she threatened others at the family home.
You know, I felt such a loss/abandonment when I read the trio’s statement and learned Kaine had moved out with his and Terri’s child. I was glad to hear she had friends and her parents at the house with her. The horror of a guilty mind must be the worst torment on earth.
And yes, it is correct SOP to have the medical wing readied to receive a high-profile suspect in a child-endangerment/murder situation. They would clear out the suicide cell (in the medical wing) for that suspect. If you’re not suicidal, it’s a fairly cushy cell in some jails–and you can usually see the TV from bed. Not that they usually let you. Just sayin. Anyway, it takes some planning because sometimes medical inmates cannot be near each other, due to very contagious/serious illnesses. And other craziness.
I am with you as usual WG- the next 2 days are critical in this case, imo. We will know quickly if there is some sort of mental defense in play.
B
I just read this on OregonLive.com
“Also Saturday, a 9-1-1 call came in from the Horman’s home at 5:46 p.m., regarding “threats” at the property. The sheriff’s office declined to allow its release, citing the ongoing investigation.”
As the step mom was being held by her husband in an earlier press video, she faced downwards but then turned her eyes up to him momentarily. In Blink’s choice of photo, the same look upwards, almost pleading. Maybe it means nothing, but it seems strange to be almost giving a pleading look towards other family members, just as Marc Klaas noted about her comment about police being on her side, Klass said when families are in this situation, they don’t think one side or another, they are dealing only with a single focus of finding their lost child, and dealing with the fear and other emotions.
I do not know how this going to turn out, but I would bet it is not going to be good all the way around. This case breaks my heart for all the same reasons it disturbs everyone posting here. When we analyze the details of these families, all I can think is how sad it is that innocent children (and I mean Kyron, James, and Kiara) get caught up and victimized by the adult world in so many ways. It’s pathetic. Once a person has children they give up their right to be selfish, to party, mess around, or whatever….but nobody follows that rule.
Blink, I’ve heard that there was a 911 call to the Horman residence on Saturday 6/26??? I wonder if it was the reason for the restraining order. Apologies if this info was already posted.
Is it possible Kaine was planning to file for divorce and take the baby, but goaded Terri into an argument to seal the deal with a RO?
Blink, do you still believe Terri is not guilty of harming Kyron? It’s becoming difficult for me to sit on the fence, but I’m still here for the time being.
I can’t put my finger on it but something is just whack with this case, and for me it’s not the obvious (re: Kyron missing).
I do not believe she directly harmed Kyron.
However, I do believe she is a catalyst.
B
LE was called to the horman’s home at 5:16PM on saturday. It is likely that was when kaine and daughter moved out. Could be restraining order had more to do with that than Kyron (likely had to do with both) LE will not say why they were called out on saturday.
Yep. Whatever happened, and I do believe it was Kaine that called LE, it was not so egregious to have her arrested, so we can make some assumptions based on that.
There’s no doubt in my mind the house is bugged, so I will also assume that evidence supported the sealing of the order.
I will state again, emergency custody orders in a similar situation are rare. Recall the case of Brad Cooper.
B
Some info on endangering a minor in the state of Oregon.
https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/163.575
Sections A and B really REALLY stand out here.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_stepmother.html
He moved out of the rural Northwest Portland home sometime Saturday. Also Saturday, a 9-1-1 call came in from the Horman’s home at 5:46 p.m., regarding “threats” at the property. The sheriff’s office declined to allow its release, citing the ongoing investigation.
B, I hope that you are right and Terri did not harm Kyron. If you are right then there is hope that he is still alive.
But all arrows seem to be pointing at Terri. If I am right and Terri did it, it means that Kyron is dead. I am praying I am wrong.
This case is extremely heartbreaking. I think I need to go kiss my kids.
@TR I beg to differ.I am here all the time faithfully for my family and yet not flawless ,but here always, loving and hanging in there for my family.There are folks here too that do the same everyday.
Oh geez so now we’re obviously moving toward Terri being crazy? I’m asking!! Either that or she was having an affair with someone who is crazy? Just guessing. Male or female, that person is a Fatal Attraction-type who took Kyron and then sent the glasses back with a note, not even a blackmail note, just an “I’ve got him haha” note. That would explain why the police were at Terri’s house around-the-clock, to protect them all from this crazy person even though Terri is the target upon whom this crazy person is trying to exact some type of revenge. That’s how Terri is indirectly involved. Could LE still be trying to get this person to reveal himself/herself or Kyron’s location? Is there the teeniest, tiniest chance Kyron is still with us? A long shot at best but I can’t fathom how else Terri could have “caused harm” to Kyron but yet she’s not the one who actually did it. It could be the whole family is ALL distancing themselves from her because of this other person who is crazy and after her. Just thinkin’ outloud, it would be SO cool for once if a child were found to be alive and relatively okay….
I curious if the endangering the welfare of a child, could be from that reporter that went to their property and said that the baby wandered off about 30 ft? I don’t think they have anything on her they are fishing to make her responsible.
And if she is innocent and she makes a statement, is she going to be believed?
I believe Terri’s actions have something to do with a gun otherwise that particular point would not have been made in the RO. I don’t believe that is a common requirement in an RO. I know of some RO and there is no mention of “no gun” in any of them. And like it has been said there has to be some pretty concrete evidence to get such an RO.
Also when exactly was Kyron science project set up? I know in our schools they are setup the day before the fair. And if she was such a deligent Mom why didn’t she know that school didn’t start that morning until 10:00 am? And where was Kiara while she was taking Kyron to school? Why did she lie about being on Sauvie Island? Her timeline for that morning has not been made public..If she was such an active figure at the school I know that people would remember her being there and would have come forward without a questionaire.
Really study the video from when the father and stepfather spoke…watch the body language…I have played it over and over…pay close attention and you will see little things such as at one time it appears she is jerking her arm away from the dad. I used to date a police officer and he used to talk about watching a person’s body language.
I pray that Kyron is found safe but unfortunately I don’t think that is going to be the case..
My heart is breaking for Kyron. This can’t be good news.
Is is possible Kyron left with his step mother, who then had him in a dangerous environment/situation? IE: sale of drugs.
I’m basing this on Heather’s post of 163.575¹ Endangering the welfare of a minor.
I have been wondering if Teri left Kyron and possibly Kiara at the same time with someone who was a stranger or at least not very familiar and that lead to something awful. Maybe she was involved with someone else and they do not have enough evidence or maybe it was even someone with whom she was having some relationship and didn’t even really know….just thinking out loud. A hook-up with a stranger, so to speak…
Just my personal interpretation but I would think “missing” is a pretty broad category and could include perhaps the missing person being “missing” by choice? Whereas endangered meaning that the missing person is/was under some kind of threat?
Pretty clear to me that if she was under this much stress (Whether guilty or not) and you have reported “threats” coming from the residence that it’s not unlikely that Kaine felt he had to remove Kiara from the situation immediately. Last thing anyone would want here is a harmed Kiara to go with a missing Kyron. If in fact Terri is the “catalyst” as Blink put it maybe taking everyone out was the way with dealing with the guilt.
Honestly, when reading of the divorce filing earlier, my first thought was “Is Kaine trying to PUSH her to kill herself?” If she threatened Kiara at the same time then the restraining order and moving out was appropriate. If in fact she DID threaten Kiara, maybe the “child endangerment” charge she “expects” to be charged with is in fact related to Kiara and nothing to do with Kyron?
Let’s assume for a minute that Kyron was taken due to a lifestyle decision on Terri’s part (As Blink has implied her theory is). Think about the progression of her thoughts and feelings.
1. Terrible guilt feelings that this was “your” fault
2. Everybody picking you apart because you were the last one to see him.
3. People questioning IF you even brought him to school.
4. People questioning and disecting every little thing on your FB page. (Last names, first names, no names, were you standing two feet from the boy, did you ever hug him…)
5. LE sending out a flier basically implicating you with pictures of you and your truck.
6. “Friends” coming out of the woodwork to tell the media you now had to take a second polygraph (Who needs enemies?)
7. Your husband and his ex-wife excluding you from a personal interview AFTER you’ve already been basically named an un-named suspect by LE.
All the while, you are desperatly hoping against hope that your actions have not led directly to a little boy who you actually care about being harmed!
Lesser men have cracked and frankly I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the pressure finally got to her.
Of everything you’ve posted today, I think the note from the Babysitter is the most interesting. With all the thing that a sitter can see, she would be the one person not living in the Horman house who would know the family dynamics better than anyone. The fact that Terri was a loving mother to Kyron was the message I got from her. If that’s the case, it’s sad because Terri will never be the same after this ordeal no matter whether they find little Kyron alive or not.
I have five children and one on the way and do not have personal “lifestyle” issues that would endanger my children. However, I do have quirks as we all do and I am reserving judgement on her until I know just what these lifestyle issues are. There are plenty of swingers I know who have a lifestyle issue that would raise our eyebrows but would never endanger their kids purposely. Unfortunately when you are dealing with people outside of the mainstream the cultural norms of what’s OK and what’s not change.
Geez you all have been busy! Apparently there was some sort of confrontation on Saturday. Maybe after the second poly? Her Dad arrived after Sat, IIRC also. I am getting the feeling, could be wrong, but that the RO was directed at baby Kiara, not Kyron. That tells me if that is right, that LE thinks Kyron is no longer alive.:(
Thanks Heather for the definition of Child Endangerment. It has me thinking of possible prostitution. And maybe she had a rather unfriendly leader? They may have had mutual things they enjoyed, but prostitution may not have been something Kaine was on board with.
It doesn’t sound like Terri may have come clean yet, otherwise I would think they would have arrested her already if that is the plan. She may have left a rather large internet trail. Possibly the other person involved may be on the run.
Ugh, I hope someone allows Kyron to be found to come back to Desiree.
This doensn’t look good at all as many have said. I believe the only saving grace Terri may have is IF she was followed and someone took Kyron from school, causing her to take chase like a crazy woman over to SI, and was unable to recover Kyron. But, I am not sure that happened or that she admitted the WHOLE truth, b/c why would she be on the verge of arrest if she was only involved as a victim that Friday?
A few snips and links.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_stepmother.html
Until Tuesday, Terri Moulton Horman had not retained a lawyer, but there was wide speculation that she’d be looking for one Tuesday morning. And outside legal experts say it’s time she get one.
Even if the police haven’t publicly identified a person of interest, their actions suggest otherwise. “At this point, it’s pretty clear the focus of the investigation is on her,” said Ron Hoevet, a longtime criminal defense attorney.
The stepmom has 30 days to notify the court to request a hearing contesting the restraining order, and a hearing would have to be scheduled within 5 days of her notice.
“So I can see the logic in the investigation attempting to pressure the person they believe is the abductor into confessing her crime,” Levin said. “Will it work? Who knows. If you’re dealing with a sociopath, who lacks feelings of remorse and is manipulative, it may mean nothing. If you’re dealing with someone who didn’t plan the attack, but lost her temper, the tactic could work.”
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b , how can u think this woman ( and i use the word very loosely ) didn’t directly harm kyron , but is a catalyst . what does that mean , because to me it makes no sense , can u explain it . i don’t see how she can be a catalyst , but not the murderer of this boy ….. especially with this cast of characters . you have her , the husband , baby daughter , and a teenage son who doesn’t live with them . the fact that the husband gets a divorce , restraining order , and custody of their daughter pretty much excludes him . baby kiara speaks for herself , and her older son lives out of town . that leaves her , and only her , so unless i’m missing a key person here , she’s pretty much a murderer . please enlighten me as to your catalyst statement . at this point a 10 year old would think she needs to be arrested .
Jeff, there are a few hundred comments of mine, as well as several articles on this case written by me describing in detail, my opinion on the matter.
B
http://wweek.com/editorial/3634/14214/
Another article from Willamette Weekly — interview w/ Terri Horman’s first husband Ron Tarver, father of James
That article is wrought with errors.
For example, what about the part where he gave up his rights to James?
B
I have thought drugs since the first
not affair or swinging
but we will soon know
I am happy the baby is safe from what ever
has been going on
this was posted on hinkymeter by siera..thought it was interesting.
“The family may have been receiving threats based on the situation of Kyron being missing & the community blaming SM, which would really be awful to have to pile on, on top of the turmoil they’re going through. Perhaps that’s the justification Kaine used, both to her, then in his RO against her. Or, like blue said, Kaine goaded her into making threats by taking or during the taking of Kiara….one would’ve thought he’d have LE with him while he got Kiara’s things together to leave………Who called 911?
1. I can’t help but think SM was taken advantage of when she & her son moved in 5 yrs ago to take care of Kyron. Was she paid by Kaine, in addition to room & board? I mean, to be a professional & not be working, while Kaine is, seems to yield all the financial power to him, none to her, & is very one-sided/lopsided. I realize she went for her Master’s; did Kaine pay for it? I hope so, if she wasn’t paid for taking care of his son.
2. SM’s son & Kaine weren’t getting along after 5 yrs together, yet SM was making sacrifices for the family. It seems like Kaine COULD HAVE joined the Boy Scouts with his Step-Son, done the things James’ father is doing now, things to nurture the teen along & build a good relationship. It’s the parent’s/step-parent’s responsibility to find a way if things aren’t working out….get counseling together, not just be rigid & controlling….teens are difficult years to parent but it’s a 2-way street……….did Kaine do his part or was he too wrapped up in the younger children to meet the needs of the older child? Did he make James’ feel like the “odd-man-out”, “the fifth-wheel”? Yet, James’ Mom was doing her part with Kyron’s Dad. I imagine a rift could’ve developed leading up to James’ move out, & afterward when SM was w/o HER Son yet Kaine wasn’t, & when SM was taking care of Kaine’s Son yet Kaine wasn’t taking care of Her Son. This is when I think things first went South…and “somebody” first consulted (or thought of consulting) a Divorce Attorney. (and the other one should’ve) It sure is seeming to be like Kyron’s disappearance is more of a negative “quid pro quo” than “nefarious” except that it’s a child’s life we’re talking about.
3. SM may have done a “Fargo” & made sure Kaine knew what it’s like to not have a son around as she may have felt he did to her/them; a son that you dearly love more than life itself….meaning for it to be temporary. Kyron may be fine, just not local. I’m wondering if SM had a part in it, if she made an “out” in the plan, or if it went awry.
4. Taking Kiara in a situation of “tit-4-tat” would make more sense to me, and ups the ante in this dynamic. There’s no winners, only losers. Too bad they both didn’t seek out a counselor, or a few, before getting to this point if indeed it’s all a part of the divorce game they’ve been playing for the last 8 mos or more.”
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Seems like any arrest based on Kiara is gonna be a “contrived” situation, one that wouldn’t naturally have occurred had Kaine (& LE) not instigated it at this point in time. I don’t know what LE had in mind to insert itself in the middle of this marital relationship but it seems like they’re causing more harm than good, & if I were in SM’s position, I’d be asserting my right to remain silent…& filing my own RO against Step-Dad. (Guess he made sure he was 180-days out from any violence he might’ve threatened against James, and she didn’t file an RO against Kaine when perhaps she ought to have but thought of her overall family’s best interest…….think she’d do things differently now). I can’t help but feel like Kaine’s a thug.
I think what is so strange is the fact that Kyron was at the school in the morning but then just vanished. If Terri did have a hand in his disappearance, then this must have been premeditated? Could she have planned something in advance, made sure that she and Kyron were seen at the school, pictures at the science fair for example, then maybe asked Kyron to run out to the truck for something? Or told him to go to a site at the school (the cool project Kyron said he was going to see) that she knew would be secluded at that time and someone lay in wait? I don’t know, no reason for it regardless. Heartbreaking, I have a 7 year old boy, also just finished second grade and I would be totally devastated, crazy with grief if something ever happened to him. I feel for the family.
There was probably strain between Terri and Kaine, they argued Saturday and she probably made a threat regarding a firearm, such as I’ll shoot myself if that’s what you want, therefore causing him to leave (probably blamed her anyway, at least in the back of his mind) along with LE inside info. I just wish she would tell the truth and put this to rest.
Geezie, this case just gets continually sadder. I had really hoped somehow/someway we’d soon see Kyron. Now I doubt that will ever happen. I was also riding the fence re SM. I suppose just because she was family I just didn’t want to think she could be involved. It’s too sad and so wrong to think anyone could harm such an innocent child. God bless you Kyron.
maybe its that our minds can’t wrap comprehend the evil that one person can cause. i’m not publicly lynching but absolutely wouldn’t overlook that she is potentially guilty of everything just considering she’s a mother to other children, sally schoolteacher with her master’s, and more importantly a woman. how rare for a woman to kill? not in today’ world. susan smith, melissa huckabee, casey anthony, andrea yates etc… in our society they always say thatthe most trusted positions are nurses, firefighters, police officers but really its being a mother.our children trust us for everything and amajority of us aren’t hitting the gym if our baby is missing or on facebook giving a thumbs up. when someone shows who they are believe them the first time people!!! the behavior she has displayed is sociopathic
While there are errors in the article quoting Ron Tarver, it was of interest/concern that James arrived back home for a visit then. How did he get there? Why bring him into the middle of that? Lots of thoughts along those lines.
You referring to January? I worded my comment poorly, I agree, there is alot it seems there was opportunity to ask that was not, as well.
That said, it seems clear that neither Tarver, his wife, or James have been interviewed by LE, which I find odd.
B
Could she have “traded” Kyron for drugs or sex? Paid off a debt w/Kyron? She IS a sick individual.
Of course , Terri H is in desperation. She knows what happen and I can see her making threats if confronted.
The woman married 3 times. She cannt support herself. She needs men in her life to ” complete ” her. Most importantly,to pay her bills and feed her kid. Never had permanent job. Not even working out any more. Cheated on James father. She had DUI…Bored ? Unhappy ?
We still dont know what was going on with her relationship with Kaine lately. I am just glad she is isolated and not able to hurt anybody from the family.
Are they ever going to find out the details from restraining order ?
Guess I’m a party of one that doesn’t feel Terri is the sole perp in this story.. If as some are saying Terri planned this disappearance of Kyron in advance then why go through the entire scenario of bringing him to school & doing the science fair thing she could have done this in a less public atmosphere weeks ago.. I still feel that this puzzle is incomplete..
There are many that agree with your position, as do I.
B
I can relate to the daycare provider’s observation. I provided daycare for almost 11 years. Initially I took in children from families as they showed up, later I learned to be more selective. I eventually chose to watch children from impoverished households where parents/single parents were mandated to search for training or work by social services. The reason: it was my observation that there was very little guise in this niche. It was what it was. It was the folks with more options and better curbside appeal that were my most slippery clients.
Oneshot: I’m with you on the Kaine-thug statement. I’m not sure he’s not also indirectly responsible for what ultimately happened to Kyron. He may just be smarter than Terri and has known how to play it. Also, fwiw, the pic Blink posted of the two of them makes me feel like he may be one possessive cat.
I agree that she is not the sole person responsible. I have always thought she was protecting someone. Could it somehow be the sixteen year old?
Prayers for Kyron!
Blink, I do think Terri has been stalked by perhaps a past/current person in her life. I believe this person is also a threat to the family, and in particular perhaps the small daughter. I do not think she took Kyron and/or harmed him.
My prayers are for the safe return of this little man. I am praying for the entire family as well.
When I first read that an arrest was imminent for Child Endangerment, I immediately thought that whatever she was up to on the day of the disappearance, she had left Kiara behind alone and not with a babysitter.
But then reading what constitutes Endangering the welfare of a child in Oregon I was once again sent back to square one.
Drugs? Really? I’m actually more inclined to believe there were acts of sexual conduct witnessed. I don’t actually know which is the ‘better’ option.
Or is this supposed charge to do with Saturday’s 911 call?
Maybe TMH’s dad will give another interview (why is everyone else not supposed to speak to the media, but he can?) and give us more details.
Or preferably something will break in this case and the focus can go back to finding Kyron and getting justice for the poor little dude.