Kyron Horman Missing: Terri Horman Retains HEAVY HITTER HOUZE
Portland, OR– Early this evening, Stephen Houze, prominent Portland criminal defense attorney leveled the playing field.
He is representing Terri Horman, step-mom of missing child Kyron Horman.
The announcement comes on the heels of the filing of divorce by her estranged husband Kaine, and inside sources that state her arrest is imminent.
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In light of the recent statements from bio mom, I’m really beginning to sense a blame game going on behind the scenes. The “problem” presently is that if someone has Kyron, now they’re going to be in trouble for harboring him, -even if step mom or bio dad gave him willingly. Four things going through my mind, #1. If Kyron flew with anyone, it would have been easy. Even though he is all over the news it is still possible that someone may not have remembered him specifically in an airport or in a plane even possibly first have traveling to another state via car or bus and then flying out of another airport. #2. The Sheriff’s statement specifically mentioning that so far the investigation resources has cost his department/county $300K…I’m not one for reading/thinking too far into possible subliminal messages into LE’s statements, but I do think the mention was made (if in fact LE truly do believe Kyron is still alive and not just saying that because they can rationalize saying that they have no evidence of death, so he must be alive thinking)to remind someone that they will be trying to recoup that amount should Kyron be alive and he is found or returned safe. #3 I remember early on reading through Facebook links and a specific family member or friend being in Arizona (I recall) on horseback updating her status about riding through the dessert. I can’t remember/find who that was, but I remember thinking a lot about that. & #4, the physical transformation of Kyron’s bio mom on TV. Very well could be networks doings, could be a variety of factors, but I just find her newer maintained appearance odd. Not that’s there anything wrong with wanting to look good and presentable or pretty…JMO for a mom who’s child is missing. Why no plea to whoever is harboring or holding Kyron captive if that’s the case? Odd -JMO.
I just have to point this one little thing out. I read the People article, and, again, it said that a friend of TH’s (Jennifer Jones, I believe it is) claims that her and DY were friends and TH moved in at DY’s request to help out with Kyron. To me, this is a fabrication and shows a history of TH lying and manipulating to create a world where she is “at the center.” Assuming is it untrue, by DY’s statement in the KOIN 6 interview, denying that she knew TH peviously, this does not shed a good light on Miss TH. Again, it shows me that she is pathological in her attempts to be this do-gooder in others eyes, while she was most likely weasling her way in to get her own needs met, manipulalating others and her own true motivations. I will say that this is under the speculation that TH did indeed give her friend this story and that it is indeed not true. Did Kaine participate in this fabrication so they could all feel better about themselve? Is that part of the reason he doesn’t want to talk?
D.A. I did see that, but she didn’t name a source that I can remember, so I am not sure. Seems possible.
FLGirl: good analysis on the Intel memo. I could see that as well. He seems like a “by the book” guy and would want to protect his place of employment, even if it is for “selfish” reasons, such as job security (which isn’t that selfish). It sounds like he is in a managerial position. I know when I work I have “work persona” that takes over and I am quite different than I am in my personal relationships, language, demeanor, etc.. However, I still feel that while Kaine has done well by moving away from TH and taking his daughter, I am still wondering if he is also trying to keep something about himself hidden. Not to mention that it was WW and The Oregonian that were the first papers to “leak” information on the families personal life. With that little connection, I do think that he is trying to protect his personal life, and this could be simply because he’s that kind of guy, or there’s more to it; like his personal life could become a hot button issue and media coverage would start focusing on that, rather than Kyron. Or worse yet, focusing on him, and assuming two things, I wouldn’t blame him, One, being he has a personal lifestyle that could be called into question and Two, that he is completely innocent. If it were me and I had made decisions in my life that I didn’t want to be publicized and I was innocent and my child was missing, I can’t say I wouldn’t be concerned about it. I honestly think I would be. I think I’d be saying the exact same thing…Let’s keep the focus on my child. Of course, I say this under the assumption that no part of these past choices would have any positive impact on finding my child and potentially cause me harm. I am on the fence with Kaine. I think both camps here on BOC have really good points. And I agree to a degree with both. I think he’s doing the best he knows how and I also think he doesn’t want to talk about a some things.
“Shelbar,” again, I like what you say. I agree with what you said about Kaine.
@FLGirl: http://search.katu.com/default.aspx?ct=r&q=kyron+horman&x=0&y=0 this one works, too. I’m going to watch your link now, see if I get different angles.
Did someone say that Ann Pulama was in Arizona, and is this the same AP who was married to Brian Pulama of the Sauvie Island houseboat, and father of the best friend Tanner Pulama? Possibly the Hormans lifestyle choices influenced that situation?
Has anyone checked in Arizona for Kyron, around the vicinity of AP?
Also, I think that KH should be in the know about the couple’s lifestyle choices whatever they were.
We do not know the motivation of anyone taking Kyron.
Couldn;t a grand jury compel TH to talk? Or at least plead the 5th,, and then we would have a better picture.
No court in our fair land can compel an accused to incriminate oneself, no.
B
Now that I’ve watched the full press conference several times, my thoughts and questions:
1. It seemed to me to be a Kiss & Make Up session to the media, to smooth over the atrocities of yesterday’s events.
2. Yesterday’s event appears to have been scheduled/done without LE involvement/approval.
3. My best guess (and that is worth nothing) is that during the “full briefing” from LE to Kaine/Desiree/Tony (K/D/T), K/D/T learned some info that made them turn against Terri.
4. K/D/T are desperate, and out of desperation/fear/some knowledge, they became frustrated (understandable) and decided they want things to happen to TH and NOW, so they went off to be Press-Conference-Cowboys. Unfortunately, none of them had been to that kind of rodeo before. And Desiree, bless her heart, is obviously so hurt and scared, she was the obvious rodeo queen, but what they said/how the situation was handled, it just made the whole thing bizarre.
5. Desiree’s plea to TH did make it look like TH is a POI or suspect. Unfortunately, that designation (POI or suspect) normally comes from LE when, and only when, LE is ready to move and has evidence.
6. Since TH was called out, and LE isn’t ready to move one way or another, and the “imploring” statement looked really bad for TH, THs attorney may have suggested to LE that they either “charge her or fix this” (I’m sure the conversation would’ve been a little more intricate, with a lot more legalese, but I’m just cutting to the chase here.)
7. Since LE needs full cooperation from TH, and since LE is obviously not ready to charge anyone just yet, the K/D/T cowboy conference needed to be fixed.
8. Blink’s mancrush was sent to fix it, and he did a fine job. The man obviously has heart, integrity, and honesty.
in fact, I’d say that there were a couple of points where Captain Staton was looking for the right words because he doesn’t want to lie directly or lie by omission (oh how I love that in a man!) When asked if TH is a POI, he took a breath, looked up (possibly searching for the right words) and then said “Everyone is a POI…” and while that may be true, some are more POIs than other. He couldn’t say yes, and he couldn’t say no, so he said what I would’ve said. Two other times he was put on the spot. Questions re: TH cell phone dings, and most interesting to me, “Has TH lied to you during the investigation?” (paraphrase). Both times he couldn’t comment which says something, I think.
SO jmo I don’t see it as any better for TH, I just see it as a much better press conference than the one yesterday.
That said, I have a couple of questions:
1. I thought LE had a Who and a Why, and were just looking for the rest of the pieces. Does the Who seem to be less certain now for LE?
2. Blink, this one’s for you: If you can open “the can” that may help bring Kyron home, doesn’t LE also know about “the can”, and why wouldn’t they just open it? I mean, if KH & TH are bisexual-sado-masochistic-spouse-swapping-porn-watching-acid-dropping-furries, who the hell cares, if it means outing that can help bring Kyron home?
Also, re: something I read earlier about the Intel memo & attorneys: I can’t think of a situation where corporate lawyers would advise on an employee re: their personal lives/choices/etc. I *can* imagine a situation where a corporate employee who’s gone thru however many hours of “how to handle a legal/pr crisis” training (and we all have to go thru that training at least once a year) would definitely refer to HR and in-house counsel immediately.
@minima, shelbar, FLGirl, muse: we all seem to be in the same boat or at least the same fleet
Good not to be out here alone.
@oneshot: I’m curious. Since I would never call someone “vindictive, an opportunist, and controlling. …damaged… has major issues” without knowing them intimately or at least on a close, personal level over a long period of time, I was wondering: Do you know Kaine?
oneilgirl75 says:
July 2, 2010 at 11:40 pm
@Jackie
I finally found it. I have been looking all day.
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoid=17052@koin.web.entriq.net&navCatId=156
** Thanks I had been looking as well..It didn’t seem to get much coverage?
Read this and thought I’d paraphrase and share:
I think Kaine has known the truth (re: TH) since almost the beginning and in order to do anything to get his son back, he needed to live with her in that house for as long as he could (keep her off-guard, keep her helping police, not let her think she was suspected of anything).
This might explain his strange behavior: Can you imagine trying to pretend & interact with the perp, publicly and privately, while worried beyond words about your missing son, trying to hold it together and living with someone you know is the possible perp?
I like to try to put myself in a situation instead of immediately judging someone’s actions, and this seemed like a shoe fit kind of thing, so just sharing.
B, your mancrush is indeed very well spoken and comes across really well in the end,….but god,…..he pronounces Kyron’s last name as “Holmes” twice?
It took a few minutes to get past that.
As weird as this is going to sound, He is a sheriff focused on finding a 7 year old little boy named Kyron. I bet he has said his last name maybe 5 times total. I don’t think public speaking is his forte, he gets a pass from me.
B
Obviously, Desiree, Tony and Kaine have been led by LE to believe that TH is the key to finding Kyron. The reason Desiree began the plea for TH’s cooperation with the statement “Kyron is alive” may be to assure TH that she will be shown leniency if she now leads LE to Kyron (whether she is able to do so directly or by sharing what knowledge she has of Kyron’s disappearance). I think the message is that the whole truth will eventually emerge, and TH will be better off if she cooperates while there is still opportunity to rescue Kyron.
It always bothered me that his email to collegaues on Sunday said “Don’t talk to the media” and I am working on getting through to legal on that.
Why would he be concerned about that first thing? In MP cases, the no.1 focus is getting the media to cover the case.
These things do not happen in a vacum, as I suspect he is about to find out.
B
Blink, that has bothered me too. Possibly Kaine was ill advised by the people around him OR may be Terri told him to stay away from the press because she did not want them focusing on her.
I thought Kaine had learned the error of his ways because he is now in the media more, but then he kicked out the biggest paper in Oregon, the Oregonian from the press conference. Wow, that seems crazy. I don’t like to judge someone with a missing child, he is just not thinking straight.
The media gets the word out to the people, and the clues normally come from the public to help solve these types of cases.
Blink can you please answer a question for me. Do you think that perhaps the cell phone ping in SI was a concern because Terri had said she was some place out of town, but the ping put her close to Portland?
Also one of your readers (Daisy) commented on Terri possibly having a stalker who is pulling the strings, can you comment on that please? I find the statement made interesting.
TIA
There is no confirmation that it was Terri cell that was pinging on SI. As I have said before, based on the cell tower/antennae map there is a +/- range rate of over 5 miles, I have heard Kaine say that he was told they were looking on SI due to past time spent there, etc. The channel area was obvious to me and indicitive of a standard search pattern. Do I think they were based on knowledge of Terri activity? Yes.
I believe that there is someone in Terri’s life, and possibly Kaine’s that has knowledge of where Kyron is.
B
oneilgirl75 says:
July 2, 2010 at 6:27 pm
So Blink with that being said the RO may make sense but then do you think the divorce does? It seems to me if my child was missing and you wanted to get answers you could have stayed and tried to get her to talk. Could have made an excuse to send the little baby to his Mom’s if he was worried about her. Seems like he may have acted maybe a little hasty. Just a thought. What are yours?
This reminds me of the Haleigh Cummings case. Ron Cummings said he keeps his friends close and his enemies closer. Well, keeping Misty close, marrying her and doing drugs with her did not help him get information out of her. He thought that she would tell him if she knew something, but she never did tell him anything.
It would be difficult to stay around someone who you thought was involved in the disappearance of your child.
Kaine did the right thing by moving out and taking Kiara. Those actions have put more pressure on Terri. The police are probably hoping for a confession. I don’t think they will get one out of Terri.
Why would Teri harm kyron? Maybe to get back at kaine IF he was having an affair? I doubt it, because why would she harm someone she cared for. That’s like cutting off your nose to spite your face. I can see public humiliation, or getting a divorce and getting the house and money, but murder? No can’t see it.
What about jealousy and resentment then? Desiree is beautiful and not overweight. Teri and Kaine see her at least twice a month with custody arraignments. kaine and Desiree tried to make it work twice in the past. Kaine is forever “tied” to Desiree through kyron. Kyron is a constant reminder that kaine and Desiree were once in love. Did kaine make comparisons’ between the 2 women? Did he ever say to Teri..Desiree was wonderful, funny blah blah, in other words did he speak highly or poorly of her. How did the 2 women get along, did Teri ever speak poorly of Desiree to her girlfriends? If Kyron is gone…instant cut off from Desiree forever, no possibility for them to rekindle anything … nothing to keep them in touch. It would be interesting to know about the dynamics between the 3 of them.
Hi B and fellow posters,
I feel like after all these briefings and “updates” that I (we) know so little that if it weren’t for Kyron actually missing, I would think nothing had actually happened at all. I am actually breaking it down, and the only actual facts–I mean real verifiable facts are: 1.Kyron is missing and 2. Kaine filed for divorce and got an RO. Other than that, everything else is speculation.
It is freakin’ killin’ me, and of course the family and all of us in Portland and all of us on these boards, that Kyron is possibly being denied the beauty of being a kid. Will he be denied the wisdom of becoming 43 like me and having the benefit of looking back and loving, learning, and laughing that great time that was childhood? No person should be denied that.
Please who ever and what ever, can we just have one of these cases turn out for the best?
Sorry for the rant,
SF
As each day goes by without an arrest being made, I become more convinced that Kyron has been taken, versus being harmed by the step mom. I also find it interesting that the case went from being a search for a missing/endangered child – to a criminal investigation – back to a search for a missing and presumed alive child. I think that it all ties together nicely with the time-frame of the divorce papers and RO as well. Here is my theory.
Kyron is taken. Either because of something Step mom had done or was involved in (money, sex, drugs, – something bad enough that she didn’t come out right at the beginning and tell when he went missing.
The person(s) who have taken Kyron have contacted her and made threats and/or demands for his return. Step mom is the only one who knows this but is still reluctant to tell LE what she knows because of her involvement in the circumstances surrounding his abduction. She was not showing the outward appearance of grieving as the other parents are, because while she may be terrified, she KNOWS that Kyron is alive.
After approx 10 days, the case is said to have switched to criminal investigation.
At some point (before the RO) either dad and/or LE find out on their own, or step mom breaks down and tells them the situation. Possibly the abductor has spooked because of the magnitude of publicity, and stopped contacting her, or maybe the step mom came to the realization that she was not going to be able to fulfill the demands made by the abductor on her own. Either way, they find out – dad files divorce and restraining order and within a couple of days LE is back to searching for missing child who is presumed alive.
While this is obviously just my theory, do you not agree that the timing of the shifting of the investigation, and the serving of RO/divorce papers is odd?
Lastly, some people have suggested that dad may also be involved, either knowingly or unknowling in whatever transpired to cause Kyron’s abduction. While I do believe that this family has some serious issues and that their parenting skills should be seriously assessed once Kyron is returned – I don’t see how this could be true. If he were involved in any “activities” with step mom that may have caused this, do you see step mom sitting back and taking all the blame herself? He was granted a RO based on something that step mom has done/or is doing. If SM knew that dad was right there with her doing the same thing, I believe she would have been kicking and screaming.
The public/media has not had access to many details while the investigation is in progress. But as far at the sealed RO is concerned, Terri & her attorney would have those details = more information than us.
The RO contains some clues about where the investigation is going AND gives the details/reasons to restrict TH access to her children/step child. It stands to reason that SOMETHING here is connected in a way that would implicate her guilt in Kyron’s disappearance.
If the details/reasons for the RO really had no connection to the Missing Child Case, why would it be sealed (siting this very reason)?
If Terri assumed her freedom was not in jeopardy – because while RO may accuse her of something, she had not been implicated in regard to Kyron’s case – I believe she would have lawyered-up with a prominent Family Law Attorney, specialized in Child Custody.
However, if the RO contains information that would lead her to believe she would be arrested, it would make sense to fight that battle first. In that light, hiring a prominent Criminal Defense Lawyer would make sense. Mommy in jail has zero chance of physical custody.
I am in the camp that Terri knows more than she is willing to share. I believe TH somehow (actions/associations) precipitated this child’s disappearance.
**I meant to post this here, under the “Heavy Hitter Houze” report (but accidentally put it in an older comment area). Sorry for the duplicate comments.**
I don’t know a ton about restraining orders other than my own experience of getting one against an abusive parent a long time ago. Oregon now has stalking protective orders, which in my case, would have helped me at the time. Anyway, if the perp who took Kyron had been following/stalking TH that would qualify for a stalking protective order. It does not appear that TH has one, but the threat of a perp further coming after her or her family, would give reason for a protection order against her. I know that sounds strange. If the person who took sweet frog expert Kyron is still out there, and it by all signs he is, then TH and her family are still targets for more violence. KH could get a protective order I believe against TH on the grounds that the baby and he are in danger by being near/with her (someone who is being stalked/targeted). This type of restraining order would naturally be sealed in order to prevent compromising the active investigation underway to find little Kyron and capture the person who harmed him.
My prayers go out for Kyron and all those who love him, even if they did not know him a month ago.
44.oneshot says:
July 2, 2010 at 10:07 pm
“Kaine is vindictive, an opportunist, and controlling. He’s damaged & has major issues. Terri’s more co-dependent & trusted that Kiara was safe with her and her parents.
****************
Reaching, IMO. Where in the world do you get this stuff from? Do you know him IRL?
Good points made here this AM. I am going to highlight from Babysweet & heat and Blink and then explain my point of view.
* interesting that the case went from being a search for a missing/endangered child – to a criminal investigation – back to a search for a missing and presumed alive child (bs)
* Kyron is taken. Either because of something Step mom had done or was involved in (money, sex, drugs, – something bad enough that she didn’t come out right at the beginning and tell when he went missing. (bs)
* The RO contains some clues about where the investigation is going AND gives the details/reasons to restrict TH access to her children/step child. It stands to reason that SOMETHING here is connected in a way that would implicate her guilt in Kyron’s disappearance.(h)
* I believe that there is someone in Terri’s life, and possibly Kaine’s that has knowledge of where Kyron is.
B
Okay, I believe one of two things ocurred. Either TH & KH participated in activities together that would place the kids in potential harm together, or Kaine just came to this realization with LE’s help that TH had a more active daytime schedule than he ever believed. He was advised by LE or family services that Kiara needed to be removed from the premises until this deal is secured and he decided to do that to prevent her from being in foster care. ( he could have been aware or not of unsavory activities). He may have been into somethings at a very basic level, but never imagined TH would go to this extreme.
I also am troubled by her appearance. She does appear to have some kind of medical dysfunction. She’s pale, puffy. I cannot ruleout steroids imo as a nurse. Or outright depression. Usually drug addiction causes people to loose weight, so I am not sold on that. It is interesting.
The problem I have, as much as I would like to believe otherwise is that I cannot picture our cute boy still being held hostage. If these are as bad a people as we surmise, why would they hold onto a kid for a month? Too risky. And what was the point in keeping him? I truly think he was either taken from the getgo and murdered or he was given to participate in some awful thing TH and who knows who was involved with. That would be the only likely reason he survived any length of time. IMO. (sorry)
I think LE has found some evidence to lead them in a dangerous direction and have questioned her at length about those ties and she is feining ignorance. Kaine has likely denied any knowledge of that. That is why he has Kiara and TH is without. She may have been promised some big $$ for loaning Kyron out. Maybe that is all she thought it would entail, maybe it has happened before and now he has not been returned. God only knows.
I wonder about the people from the gym? I havent discounted the BP angle, but I am wondering about her ties to that gym. Did she contact someone there when she went? Anyway, there is obviously not enough evidence yet to arrest her, I think they need more info on the exact individuals she was connected to. This whole thing is sick sick sick. Sorry for the length and bluntness.
Blink,
Do you think Terri will be arrested?
I just keep thinking about how pissed off the warden of info dissemination must have been when he found out that Terri was posting on the local news websites! Talk about fireworks. Blink, you said you didn’t think it was legal for KATU to out her as posting on their site and it would go “buh bye”. It hasn’t. I wonder if LE didn’t ask KATU to track RDSQRL and then suggest that they leak that information to the public.
I would assume it was not her.
B
OH, I forgot one thing that the Sheriff said that tripped a switch in my head. He mentioned leads being generated amongst other things, from “video seized”. What in the world do they have on video?
I am interested in Shelbar’s post above at 6:27. Because.. I was once in a position similar to TH’s. I raised another woman’s son for many years with my (now-x) husband, before I had my own son. At one point, when it was getting increasingly difficult for me to continue looking after him, I secretly breathed a sigh of relief although it totally broke my heart when he went back to his mom’s for awhile. The dynamic was different: my husband did NOT have a “friendly” relationship w/ the mother, more contentious, and – we lived overseas in a country which posed many challenges for me day-to-day and just regular getting by. Just thinking back to that time, I would have found it impossible to raise my stepson had my X had an overly-friendly or even ambiguous relationship w/ the mom. The fact that we were far away and he was clearly over her worked for me/us. From the beginning of this case it has been hard for me to understand why a step-mom would harm a child rather than just send him back to mom, unless the dynamic that you indicate might be a factor, which might be further indicated by KH’s “grouping” with the bio -mom and her husband vs his own wife in public on Thurs.
I am curious to know both B’s thoughts and Jack’s about during July 2nd press conference, a reporter asked the sheriff “do you think he is being held somewhere?” and he answered “I cannot comment on that.” Previous mention on this discussion form a few weeks ago brought up the movie Fargo.
Impressions?
That concept is in play, or they know he is deceased.
B
It seems to me if TH knew something she that would come against KH she would be singing like a bird. Who knows, maybe she still will. She has her attorney now and maybe he is making her wait. I don’t think anyone deserves privacy at the cost of a missing child. If my job told me to *keep it quiet* for the job while my child while my child was missing BUH BYE ! Their car, truck and house are not that nice to indicate to me that they are making any kind of FAT cash. You would think that your boss would write any emails that would need to come from you while you are trying to meet with LE. One email or phone call from you to your boss would suffice and he would handle it from there. From that point on you would think you would be on a personal leave of absence from that point on. Your child is missing. Getting an email out to ask your co-workers to not talk to the media should not be your first concern. Really? I guess also I don’t really understand what Intel’s legal has to do with KH missing child? Yes, I am sure they would be getting a slew of calls but cant Intel handle that? I’m sure they have had employee’s that have had problems in the past before that have caused media coverage they did not want to have. I’m sure they know how to handle it. Like B’s mancrush said yesterday “everyone is a POI”
@Oneshot seems to me if TH could have fought that RO she would have. Instead she hired a criminal defense attorney and has taken NO action to regain custody of her child. If she was innocent and it was ALL KH being a liar and a controller LE and the courts can see right through that stuff. TH would have had her daughter back yesterday! There is no way my husband would walk out of this house with my children EVER and not have the fight of his life on his hands! Just sayin’
B~ I know you said her atty is a criminal defense atty but a good atty can do it all. My cooperate atty has handeled our estate planning to acting as our zoning attorney and my Mom’s divorce atty he is also a sitting Clackamas County Judge. I’m sure her atty knows how to file the paperwork needed to get her daughter back if that was even possible.
Another day nothing on Kyron’s where abouts
I wish Terri was still posting actually maybe she would talk to much
that happens online
but her lawyer would never let her now
@ Eloise: I, too, have wondered why the perp would still be holding onto Kyron, presuming he is still alive. With all of the national media attention on the case, I would think the best option for the perp would be to discretely abandon Kyron somewhere and then maintain a low profile, hoping that TH does not decide to open up. Really, I think whatever TH was involved in, it is so incriminating that TH is unlikely to volunteer information and the perp knows this. If the perp abducted Kyron out of vindictiveness toward TH, and believes him/herself to be outside of LE’s radar, the perp may be keeping Kyron to pressure TH into incriminating herself. It has turned into a game of strategy between the perp and TH, as TH is adamant about keeping silent. Poor Kyron is the pawn. Of course, there is the dreadful possibility that he is no longer alive and the body has been disposed of, in which case pressure is off the perp as long as no body is recovered and TH continues to remain silent. Most probably, TH doesn’t know whether Kyron is alive at this point, so the perp remains “ahead of the game.”
Blink,
What do you make of DY’s plea, Kaine filing for divorce and the RO, and Staton’s statement that TH has been cooperative?
I guess TH could’ve been cooperative to the point of implication, but IMHO, if she’d implicated herself or been caught in a direct lie, wouldn’t they have arrested her for obstruction?
I’m not saying this well. To me, it seems like a lot of what’s going on, especially with the family, is being done to put extraordinary pressure on TH to confess something (either that she harmed Kyron or she knows who did); however, some hypothesize that LE has such damning evidence, Kaine filed for divorce and a RO.
I don’t know how all of this can be true. Either TH is cooperating (Staton’s statment) or she’s not (DY’s plea for her to cooperate). Either she was caught in several lies (the media leaks) or she hasn’t been (she hasn’t been arrested). Either LE has no evidence (no arrest of TH yet), or they have overwhelming evidence (Kaine files for divorce and a RO).
Whether or not Terri harmed Kyron, I’m beginning to think Kaine is using his disappearance and any shred of evidence against her to put in motion plans he’s had for a while (the divorce), and I wonder if he’s glommed on to evidence against her to secure custody of their daughter. He seems controlling, and DY was fearful of him taking Kyron years ago, so much so that she filed a RO against him. I don’t want to say this is “convenient” for Kaine, but I think this situation allowed him to gain the upper hand in what he’s been planning. Also, I can’t help but wonder if he somehow set Terri up or goaded her into an argument that led to the issuing of the RO. Controlling men and abusive me (if he is one) are extremely talented at painting their wives/SOs as nutjobs when it suits their purposes. These types of men/people are master manipulators, and if LE is hyperfocused on Terri Horman, then maybe their testimony helped obtain the RO everyone is so focused on.
Also, I will say that if LE’s entire case or focus on Terri is predicated upon cell phone pings, then I think we should all be worried about whether or not they are focused on the right person. From my understanding, pings are not an exact science, and the school isn’t that far from SI, so it’s possible that the cell tower pinged her and she was wherever she said she was.
Eh, I don’t know. I’ve been considering climbing back onto the fence. This case is maddening, and the more I learn of Kaine, the more I think Terri is innocent, but I can’t explain why one is causing the other.
AHHH!
****sorry for the typo’s first time expressing my thoughts and that is what those are. JMHO. Im a newbie I guess its called so sorry for not saying that in the first place JMHO*****
@oneshot
In my last post, as stated, I was relaying what had been said on Nancy Grace’s show. Not necessarily my opinion tho. lol
I understand what you are saying.
Fox report within last hour disputes that TH has been uncooperative.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/03/sheriff-says-missing-oregon-boys-stepmother-cooperative/
“Staton said he believes Terri Horman is working with investigators.
“To date there has been no indication that she has been uncooperative,” Staton said. “She has been cooperative throughout this entire process.”
8.tanya says:
July 3, 2010 at 2:29 am
B, your mancrush is indeed very well spoken and comes across really well in the end,….but god,…..he pronounces Kyron’s last name as “Holmes” twice?
It took a few minutes to get past that.
As weird as this is going to sound, He is a sheriff focused on finding a 7 year old little boy named Kyron. I bet he has said his last name maybe 5 times total. I don’t think public speaking is his forte, he gets a pass from me.
B
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@Tanya: Captain Staton’s mistake may even be another sign of his inherent honesty and therefore, at least in my mind, a good sign of his character. Obviously the Captain knows a lot more that we do, and some/much of it may conflict with what he can say aloud. For example, Captain Staton may not believe that Kyron is alive, or he may not truly believe that TH has been as cooperative as she could be, but in order to move the investigation forward and bring Kyron home, Captain Staton must deliver a specific message. Cognitive dissonance causes more stress for some than others, and it may be that Captain Staton is one uncomfortable when cognitive dissonance is occurring. I personally have a hard time with it, but I know defense attorneys and politicians who are unfazed by it. So the mispronunciation of Kyron’s last name may be one subconscious sign of the Captain’s discomfort with what he knows and can’t say.
I wonder if kyron can use a computer
to tell someone where he is
what do you think?
@oneilgirl75: re: Intel’s legal dept. I wasn’t trying to say that legal would try to shut it up. But in corporate America, we all go thru training about how to handle any situation, public (corp related) and private that could affect corporate, and the first step is generally to notify your manager who notifies HR and probably legal (depends on the situation) and then you’re told what to say re: your company. I am not defending Kaine, just explaining what I probably would’ve done based on my training. Maybe I wouldn’t have used his words (he’s an engineer type, I’m not), but I would’ve communicated to my manager and then as directed, and it is SOP for all inquiries of any HR/Legal magnitude to be addressed to legal, not to cover anything up, but so that there’s a coordination of what is said, and I’m sure that LE might’ve even wanted Intel to contact LE for talking points.
I don’t know about KH, so I certainly can’t speak to his behavior with certainty, but I can say that based on my experience in the corporate world for an extensive period of time, there is nothing, in my opinion, sinister or suspicious in what he wrote. Did he write it badly? Yes. Are those the words I’d have chosen? No. But would I have recognized that there was a potential that this would be a bigger issue, possibly, and would I have wanted all communication to go thru legal and HR and PR instead of every bozo on the floor with whom I work? Yes. And I would’ve wanted it not just for Intel to follow procedures, and not for myself, but for Kyron, too, since I would not have wanted to take the remote possibility that someone could provide information, regardless of how seemingly inconsequential, that LE didn’t want out to the public yet. Just another POV to consider.
Great comments everyone. To those that dont know. I am a female, wife and mother. Been following real true crime on the net since year 2000. I know some of you from a well known crime forum, and have enjoyed running across these same posters here. I like Blinks forum, the moderation style and responsible posters who discuss kindly without bashing of all the victims and posters.
Mind control is a serious demonic force that has and continues to destroy. Preying upon the weaker, sickly and un-informed members of society. I state this as a premise for those reading to understand some foundational truths I use when observing people and situations. I dont take this lightly, and through much prayer and thought, only do tread into this kind of territory.
With this foundation I see:
1. Two young pretty Women (Mothers) who have both lost their young supping Babes. Kaine being the pivotal force in these relationships. I said earlier, I could see kaine finding himself enthralled in one bad wife/mother situation that warranted his taking control and possession of all including the Babes. Now we have two? Yes, similar like situations unfolding before our eyes. Its a Universal un-written law of mankind, that has no boundaries due to culture, race, color, religion or creed that repulses the “Taking of a Supping Babe from the Mother”. People dont take kindly to this just about as close as the actual abuse and killing of a child. We consider this “Sacred Ground” and we protect this un-written law seriously. At yesterdays news conference, I believe we saw a turning if you will, of LE attitude in this case. Capt. Staton and I’m sure all men and women in LE there in Oregon naturally have the same feelings we all embrace. Again, pointing out I felt a “Softer” stance towards Terri and the situation. I could sense a deeper understanding that wasn’t spoken out directly by Staton.
I dont want to come across as “Beating up on Kaine”. Its not my style nor desire. I’m just calling it like I see it. Kaine has been in control, been legal minded since Moment One!! If he felt a RO was in need, fine. No problem there for me. But the rush and irresponsibility of filing for DIVORCE right smack dab in the middle of critical aspects of Kyrons disappearance is totally inappropriate. It changes the face, focus and dynamics away from Kyron. Which causes me great anger. The DIVORCE wasn’t a “Pressing Issue” period. Kyron missing is the “Paramount Concern” of all. I think this move on Kaine’s behalf has shifted LE attention directly to “HIM” now.
What is Kaines alibi? Why was he oddly home on that horrible day Kyron went missing? Who actually had possession of the cell phone in real time when the pings were within a five mile radius causing it to be the center of focus for the searches? Why is Kaine so cold about taking Baby K from Terri and not allowing any type of at least supervised visits with Terri, as her parents are right there?
This case is shaping up for me to look like a frame job at most to divert attention away from the true suspect/suspects. Terri may be guilty of Kyrons disappearance, and I’m not ruling anyone out as culpable. But Kaines own admission concerning the pointed questions about have the “Computers” been searched or taken by reporters, was telling. He didn’t look comfortable about any computer questions. Almost agitated and wanted that area to be “Off Bounds”. Which I believe that’s what Kaine has wanted “Off Limits” since the beginning thus motivating him to pull “Intels Legal Dept.” onto his side from “MOMENT ONE”.
Some are pondering why hasn’t Houzer started doing some strategic “PR” clean up on Terri’s behalf. I believe he’s doing it!! The silence is deafening! LE’s softer tone isn’t due to her having an attorney. LE doesn’t operate that way. Their communications change when one becomes represented. But they stay “Par on their Course” regardless of the presence of legal representation. I have the feeling, there is lots of behind the scene activities between LE, Terri, her parents&friends and Houzer. Thus why we got a new softer temperature reading. LE appears to be more “assauged” if you will about this part of their investigation and potential suspect in Terri Horman. Terri having voice advocates provided by her parents & Houzer supplying hands on and physical presence embedded in a private camp on the Horman property is starting to show some positive results in the progress of finding answers to “What and Where is Kyron”! As Capt. Staton stated, “Terri is cooperating, answering questions”.
The dynamics have now changed. I see and could be totally wrong: Team Camp Terri, parents, friends and LE. Team Camp Kaine, friends, his controlled media campaign, mis-guided Desiree though probably not Hubby Tony though not for much longer, and the support of LE up and until receipt of RO thus waning due to DIVORCE actions and possible forensic information coming in. I dont think LE saw the Divorce actions coming at all. We dont have or heard any of Kaines family speaking up and out. Though it maybe happening behind the scenes, I just find it “weird” no friends nor family have outright shown up in any capacity on Kaines behalf like Terri has. Right or mis-guided wrongly, Terri has friends publically in support. I cant help but believe they know more about the personal marriage of T and K than we do.
Thus now jogging my memory about the question floating around, “Did Desiree and Terri know each other as friends, even so far as Desiree asking Terri to move into her own home with her hubby and baby? That sounds more like a male driven lie than something that would come from a female, sorry if this statement offends anyone. I dont think the supposed friend we’re hearing about making this claim is lying. Quiet the contrare. We must go back in real time when the dissolution of Desiree and Kaines relationship ended, and Terri coming on board into the picture. Sounds like Kaine telling their mutual friends, the friends that fellowship relationally, but not living behind the closed doors of a home. I think these friends were fed this perpetual lie to make Kaines actions at that place in real lifetime look more acceptable to those viewing in. For we have Desiree stating she was not friends with Terri prior as reported. So I dont think Desiree nor the friends are lying one iota. I think the friends were told this fabrication to make what Terri and Kaine did, even so much as an affair while D and K were together, look better. Not to mention, it shore made Kaine the greater victim. Poor poor me. I’ve got to have this woman move in to help me with my Baby. Desiree even requested it. Folks, sorry. I don’t see a woman doing this. LOL We all saw the pure dis-connect towards Terri and Kaine on Desirees behalf physically since “MOMENT ONE”. The Q & A sessions K,D &T held minus obvious LE support was the first time I saw any real teaming up between these three in that “Hug”. I’m so grateful Desiree has a well grounded Hubby like Tony to keep her two feet planted firmly on the face of this Earth. Ugh! She’s clearly hurting and scared for Kyron. She’s clearly exhibited natural guilt in feeling she hasn’t protected Kyron as his natural Mother. The statement she read didn’t sound anything like her in my opinion from all I’ve witnessed prior. Too much obvious differences. Hugs everyone, forgive me for appearing to be judgemental. I’m judging, but trying hard for it to be “Righteous Judgement” and if I’m wrong, I will bow down and plead for forgiveness.
The more I read of all this, the less it makes sense. There could be SOOO many variables because of the amount of time that passed before it was discovered that Kyron was missing.
First of all, we still don’t know how Kyron got out of the school, but either TH took him herself or IMO she knew who was going to take him. If it was some other parent, he/she would have blended into the school and no one would have noticed. This had to have been planned, particularly because there were no cameras in the school and TH knew that and could have passed that info along (she watches crime shows, remember?)
Did TH go to Sauvie Island at all that day? If she did, it was either 1) to meet up with someone who had something to do with Kyron’s disappearance or 2) to get rid of Kyron herself. The timeline of what she was doing that day is SO crucial and a big piece of the puzzle that we don’t know. If she could account for some of her time but now all of it, that would be so telling. What’s weird is that usually these details come out in the media, but none did (a store owner or friend remembers seeing her, a video camera captures her somewhere). But there was nothing. So that makes me think she went ONE place and then went home and was lucky that no one saw her. That’s why LE was looking for video of the roads on that day or the day before.
Going further with the assumption that she WAS on SI, if it was to get rid of Kyron herself, she could have easily gotten cold feet at SI and gone somewhere else within the pinging range. Or she could have gone to SI and left her cellphone there on purpose to throw anyone off the track, and then gone somewhere else (again, she did watch crime shows). I wonder if there’s a clue in one of those shows that she got her idea from? However, again driving all over the place doesn’t seem logical because of the risk of being seen.
So she’s on SI. (just imagining here) If she were going to get rid of Kyron on her own, it would have been somewhere there and he would have been found by now, unless there’s some water well or deep hole or some place she knew about that LE hasn’t discovered. It would also have to be a place where cadaver dogs can’t detect it (sorry). So unless he’s underwater, he’s not there and that’s not what happened.
So continuing on with this theory, someone took him off SI. I don’t think it was TH. LE could have been looking for video of the roads NOT just to see if TH traveled them, but to see WHO ELSE DID.
I’m thinking Kaine knows who is involved, but he wasn’t directly involved. In the press conference, look at the expression on his face. It’s not just grief. It’s some sort of realization, like “I’ve helped to cause this by associating with….” It looks like he knows something, possibly that he’s blaming himself for becoming involved with certain people. IMO, just sayin’.
If LE suspects someone else, they would have to have really tracked this person and his/her alibi for that day. If time is unaccounted for, that’s a problem because Kyron could be ANYWHERE. Either alive and taken to Timbuktu or deceased and placed in….I would venture to guess that if he was taken, he’s probably as far away as possible from Portland. I’m still thinking about where…
The divorce thing, that really puzzles me. Ok I can see Kaine taking the baby and leaving and filing a restraining order, but while your child is missing you take the time to also go and file for a divorce? What would be the advantage of filing for a divorce NOW, can someone explain that to me? Could it be fake? TH didn’t even get a divorce lawyer. I mean, she’s missing out on being with her BABY for heaven’s sake. So there must be something legal in there that I don’t understand, why the divorce filing would be an advantage at this point.
AND if someone does have Kyron, could you please just drop him off at the nearest store or somewhere safe? Please? Just let him go. It’s time. Remember what it’s like being a kid. He wants to see his family and his friends and his cat and sleep in his own bed. I don’t see the family asking you to let him go, so I’m asking. Please.
Something to think about: there have been many negative inferences made of Terri having married three times; little is said about Desiree Davidison-McCullough-Horman-Young’s marriages. I do not think either is relative to the case; I do think it’s unfair character profiling. JMHO
“He’s not real adventurous,” she said. “He’s a little timid. But if a friend wanted to go outside and look at something, he would follow the friend. He has a friend who he regularly gets in trouble with in the classroom because he talks too much.” (TH’s mom June 5, 2010)
from :
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html
This stood out to me at the time and has always bothered me. Kyron went missing from school. His deskmate and neighbor to his home is TP. TP’s father is BP. BP has a criminal record. BP’s houseboat was central to the searches conducted by LE: the quarry behind his house, the water around his house, the pinging, etc… BP’s wife AP suddenly up and moved to Arizona. BP is the non-custodial parent of TP. There is a reason for that. BP knows Skyline school, could easily coerce a scared son to get his friend out of the school or to an exit door.
After this interview, I have never heard or seen anything of grandma Moulton, TH’s mom.
It was to me like she was implying how the perp was able to get Kyron to leave the school.
After the last press conference with Kaine I had to step back from my emotions…not easy considering what I think he did was an insult to just about every one. Law enforcement, volunteers, journalists, bloggers,readers and commentors no matter how ridiculous some may be…its just a reflection of things they have experienced in their past)Even the worst of the comments are helping keep Kyron in the media. If this were happening in England the comments would be much worse and the headlines more salacious!
Would you ask someone to do your laundry for free and then berate them for not doing it the way you would have? No even if you are a control freak you keep your mouth shut and say THANK YOU…period.
Of course I do think that Kaine and his lifestyle will be the center of the story when and if all is said and done. Even if he had nothing to do directly with the disappearance…every decision he has made so far has not been adequate enough to keep his family intact and out of harm. How much money you make is irrelevant in the face of a missing child. The photo posted here of Kaine with his hand on Terry’s breast is an example of one of his choices. I’m not a prude but certainly feel like it in this day and age. I was raised by a Father who would NEVER have treated my mother with such disrespect reducing her to a sex object in front of his friends. And my Mother would have NEVER in a million years allowed to be treated in such a manner. Unfortunately it seems the moral compass (not based on religion) is skewed. What would have once been frowned upon as a public display of affection is readily accepted my many.
The other thing that leaves me wondering about the press conference is the other two participants in the show. They have previously aligned themselves with le even using them as their personal spokespersons….so the public naturally assumes that every comment they make is also supported by le. In fact I have to assume that the whole show was supported by le as the questions were even filtered through them. Desiree (although she was the one who read the statement)and her detective husband both seem to be letting Kaine take charge. Desiree does not seem capable of taking charge at this moment in time…but why isn’t her husband who appears to be a bit more composed not stepping up to the plate? Maybe he was standing there in support after Desiree chose to listen to her ex over him? I have to assume though that all three thought it was a good idea. They were wrong. Maybe it is that simple. I can’t count how many times I have had bad ideas…
The still you have of Terry looking up at Desiree(I truly don’t mean this as an insult or barb towards her) but every time I look at it the pose and posture reminds me of how dogs look when going to the bathroom….slightly crouched, head down eyes rolled up looking around to see is anyone is observing them. Fear of vulnerability…that your actions are being observed?
Concerning Terry. She is someone who I truly think has lost her moral compass…acting like its normal for your husband to grab your breast in the company of others…watching Dexter. I watched two episodes on Netflix after having friends tell me how good it was. Not in my opinion. The heroification (just made that up) of a serial killer even though he only kills bad people is an example to me of letting your moral compass slide a little more. This is not John Wayne or Clint Eastwood shooting the bad guys. Dirty Harry didn’t haul off the bad guys and then cut them into little pieces…torture them. They took action and also took responsibility for that action.
Another thing about Terry…it seems that she knew that she didn’t want Kyron. Nobody listened to her when she wanted to give him back to Desiree? She couldn’t face the horror of telling people how much she really resented taking care of him. She doesn’t seem to be in mourning now that he is gone…all about her just seems to be wrong.
Also I have personally witnessed slight cases of PPD. Literally saw a mother of a newborn look at her four year child as the enemy every time the four year old tried to touch the newborn. But still able to recognize and realize her behavior once it was brought to her attention. The children are all grown up, healthy and happy. Because of that it just does not shock me that she would try to remove Kyron. All members of that family seem to have issues and skewed visions of how to address personal problems…the kind of action you should and ways to conduct yourself when faced with a challenge. I am sure that the behavior of Terry leading up to this situation would have been alarming to many. What emotions Terry was trying to hide were probably screaming out in her actions.
I also don’t get not cooperating with Harry Oaks. Yeah he pontificates a bit too much but wouldn’t you do ANY THING?? Something as simple as handing over a piece of clothing?? He’s not asking them to physically help with the search. Afraid of offending le? I would beg their apologies but explain that as a parent I HAD to try ANYTHING. The only scenarios I can come up with is that they know who has him or they already have his body.
Blink. I rarely watch Nancy Grace but I was surprised at how many facts her show has wrong…and I assume that she pays people to scour info….not an insult towards her I don’t know how her show operates. But a testament as to how thorough, well researched and articulate you are about the information you post on your blog. You are truly to be commended for your hard work!!
Eloise says:
July 3, 2010 at 10:49 am
“I also am troubled by her appearance. She does appear to have some kind of medical dysfunction. She’s pale, puffy. I cannot ruleout steroids imo as a nurse. Or outright depression. Usually drug addiction causes people to loose weight, so I am not sold on that. It is interesting.”
In 2005, Terri was arrested for DUI. Alcohol abuse can cause puffiness, for sure. The paleness and dark circles can be from the stress. Notice the difference in Desiree’s appearance from the first press conference to her national interviews. Hagged out to hottie. I can look at pictures of myself in times of great stress and see it in my face. No sleep and no nourishment take its toll.
A formerly active person with an internet addiction can gain weight quickly as well. God knows my butt has gotten wider the last four weeks! I can imagine losing James could precipitate escaping online. Maybe she had recently recommitted to working out, hence her desire to hit the gym.
I thought Sheriff Staton was perfect in yesterday’s pc, which seemed to be damage control after Thursday’s debacle. He was never flustered by the questions, as I have seen Jason Gates, and his calm explaining of how they communicate with Terri at this point, was very effective. I feel a little like a hearthfire, stoked up to a frenzy and then dampered, but for some reason I trust the sheriff. He may slur some names, but I think public speaking IS his forte.
34.Malty says:
July 3, 2010 at 1:25 pm
I wonder if kyron can use a computer
to tell someone where he is
what do you think?
Answer: Yes Malty. Children are taught computer use now a days in the classroom beginning in preschool kindergarten. Keeping the Horman house in mind, Father obviously a computer techo, architectural engineer for Intel. Terri a frequent user of the net, home pictures taken by Terri depicting obvious art and craftiness on her behalf displaying her natural or learned teaching skills and naturally assuming all the kids in the home being exposed to these parental talents. Having an older 16 year old sibling who is required academially by school standards to produce computer driven assignments is a “Norm” now a days in the realm of teaching in all school systems. I would safely venture to say yes to your question. If Kyron can get on line, he’s smart and old enough to be able to reach out. That also includes phones, notes and verbal abilities to alert someone. Surely would be a Blessing if it could become so.
Kim wanted to thank you for the ego boost, LOL and sweet compliment you posted about me. Blowing you and all the others Holy Kisses who have understood my opinion, agreed or not, but kindly mentioned so. KL
@Jackie Bauer
I agree, nothing is sinister in Kaine’s email by itself. In the beginning, I attributed the awkward language to Intel speak. However, paired with his the way he answered or avoided questions in the media interviews, and the way he ran the press conference Thursday, behavior patterns emerge.
“He was advised by LE or family services that Kiara needed to be removed from the premises until this deal is secured and he decided to do that to prevent her from being in foster care.”
In this country there must be proof of abuse or neglect for a child to be removed from a home. My understanding is the 911 call stated interference with custody which would likely mean Terri threatened to take Kiara away and hide, maybe from the stress. Kaine could then obtain an ex-parte RO if there were witnesses affirming Terri stated she would ‘abduct’ the children. This would be interference with custody.
Video’s being seized means something entirely different than videos obtained. Search and seizure would lead to videos seized, which involves a search warrant. They stated videos were obtained.
As far as the press conference being held w/o LE knowledge? No way, not gonna happen. So then, why would LE allow them to speak and control this event like they did? LE has been there for every other presser to speak. Why did they allow the family to notify of the changed format and how they would be limiting the press? Why wouldn’t LE do so, since it was inevitable that they were going to piss off the media? Do you think that they just didn’t want to take the personal hit, so let the family take it? With all the secrecy, do you really think they were implicating Terri with the flyer (kinda how it looked) or is it plausible that they needed such confirmation because Terri’s cell phone was pinging from somewhere else at that time when she was actually at school? If she was indeed at school at 8:30 and her cell was pinging at Sauvie, then something else looks odd then doesn’t it? and it isn’t necessarily Terri. I forget my cell at home all the time and rarely take it for short trips to the store or such. But, wait, Terri supposedly called the school to inquire when Kyron’s project should be picked up. Why call then since she had just left the school? Did she call from home or cell? Why be thinking about that project when you’re abducting a child? Kind of odd huh?
I just found your site through a posting on the local site – what FRESH AIR! There is actual thought here and sanely articulated statements. Nicely done, Blink. p.s. I absolutely agree w/your take on Staton – I don’t “know” him, but have encountered him on a personal level and he is every bit the stand-up guy he appears to be. I look forward to statements made by him, personally, because I feel we can believe what comes from him and trust that what he is NOT saying is necessary.
Ok, I see that the information about SM being “lured” out of the house to talk to the police while Kaine packed up Kiara and left, can be attributed to People Magazine. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30922338&o=all&op=1&view=all&subj=113113938734246&aid=-1&id=1186453307 It’s in the middle column.
Oh and you don’t have to have facebook to see this, because I don’t.
IF Teri did this, then she very meticulously planned it. Probably several months worth of planning. Therefore; I think finding a body will be very difficult. I mean, she plans everything to the last detail, so I don’t think she disposed the body “willy nilly” but planned the perfect place. Maybe over the past few months she went somewhere isolated and dug a very deep hole…dogs wouldn’t be able to alert if over it. Maybe it took her a few months to dig it and also to see if anyone happened along. Is LE checking her phone from months ago looking for a pattern? All I know is, you don’t plan a murder without planning a good disposal site. Uhh I mean, I would think anyways.
Dear Jackie Bauer above. Those were my words you paraphrased on your 2:27 AM POST. I wrote them at Eyes for Lies and I beleive I left my name there. As for Stephen Houze, it’s what he’s not saying that is interesting (as per this entire case). KATU reported yesterday that he talked on the phone with them and confirmed that he was not representing Terri on the divorce or restraining order, that she would retain another lawyer for that. He did say, however that he was representing her on “another matter.”
“To date there has been no indication that she has been uncooperative,” Staton said. “She has been cooperative throughout this entire process.”
The dictionary says:
cooperative, co-operative [kəʊˈɒpərətɪv -ˈɒprə-]
adj
1. willing to cooperate; helpful
2. acting in conjunction with others; cooperating
co·op·er·ate (k-p-rt)
intr.v. co·op·er·at·ed, co·op·er·at·ing, co·op·er·ates
1. To work or act together toward a common end or purpose.
2. To acquiesce willingly; be compliant: asked the child to cooperate and go to bed.
And she certainly did not HAVE to take the two polygraphs, did she?
So with whom isn’t Terri cooperating? Kaine? To what end?
James moved. Kyron missing. Kiara taken away.
And when was Kiara dropped off and picked up? Or what hours was a sitter at the house? Or wasn’t there a sitter after all? Would that be the basis for the restraining order? Kiara fell asleep in the car, so Terri left her there while she went in and snapped a few pics of Kyron with his exhibit (still not sure those weren’t from the day before, though). A possible reason why she dashed out without seeing him to his room? Or what if someone else was in the car watching Kiara, and then they came in leaving Kiara there and Terri had to go immediately? That would sure be a reason not to tell Kaine the whole truth. But that’s when I get “stuck” in this scenario. What would have happened next, and where did Kyron go?
It just seems to me that the time schedule regarding Kiara might pin things down a little. And the emotions involved in this might have incited the 911 calls when Kaine confronted her.
I had just accepted that quote of Staton saying she has been cooperative. But here are some quotes from the transcript of his interview that I snipped from Oregon Live.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_investigation_tra.html
Jung: “One of the things that we talked about yesterday was just the discussion about, or the family asking for Terri Horman’s full cooperation. And you know that she had hired an attorney. Do you know if since then she has pulled back or if she’s either refused to respond to interviews or anything along those lines?”
Staton: “At this point, I can’t comment on that. There’s been no indication with regards to the particular family issues, that is a personal issue I believe that you would have to contact the parties of the family and obtain that information through them. But with regards to the cooperation level, I couldn’t comment on that at this point.”
. . . and then later . . .
Jung: “And is there anything in terms of Kaine’s decision to get divorced from Terri Horman — the statement that was released suggested that there was information revealed by investigators that lead to that breakup. Is there anything you can tell me about if they had met with Kaine to brief him about the investigation and is there anything that you know of that led to that?”
Staton: “That I can’t comment on. I — I don’t believe there’s anything indication that would lead me to believe that, but I can’t comment on that.”
Jung: “Is the sheriff’s office still briefing Terri on the investigation?”
Staton: “I believe — well, now that she has a lawyer representing her at this particular point, information going through now goes through a formal process and you have to do that. That’s simply the facts behind that. But getting back to whether or not she’s cooperating or not, that I can’t comment on because I’ve got no indications to the contrary on that.”
. . . and still later . . .
Jung: “Can you — have you had — does Terri Horman — have you indicated to her that she may be a focus of this investigation?”
Staton: “I can’t comment on that.”
Jung: “And have you found anything to suggest that Terri could be a danger to her husband or her daughter?”
Staton: “I can’t comment on that either. I’m sorry.”
. . . a little different taken in context, isn’t it? . . .