Morgan Harrington Murder Update: DNA Links WANTED SUSPECT
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justiceformorgan says:
July 12, 2010 at 12:29 am
Anyone else see what I see in the photo linked to below?
I searched… What do you see? … Someone in a hat?
justiceformorgan- What are you seeing?
Cat- yeah- I see your point- Please read my earlier post from, 11:08 am
I should have addressed it to you also
Ok in reading further, I dont see antone of interest leaning on a wall with ? dreadlocks. What I thought J4M saw, look at glass window. All the way to bottom, 2nd from right. White guy with black tshirt w/ white triangular emblem on back. Guy behind him, closer to us, dark skin, with gray green cap.
So where is the wall guy hummingbird?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ganson/4024434362/
IMOIMO posted:
http://www.wtvr.com/news/wtvr-loca-mugshots-2010-pg,0,7783750.photogallery
(link number 7)
Thank you IMOIMO –
It does look him. Hairline is thinned back.
Look at the description of the crime: Abduction with intent to defile, attempted rape, aggravated malicious wounding. Nightstick like instrument, severe head injuries, broken arm.
From the description of the crime under the photo:
“Local Mugshots
(Stafford County Sheriff’s Office / July 7, 2010)
The Stafford County Sheriff’s Office arrested JB, age 46, of Stafford County. Mr. B has been charged with 1 Count of Abduction With Intent To Defile, 1 Count of Aggravated Malicious Wounding and 1 Count of Attempted Rape as a result of an incident that occurred yesterday, July 7, 2010. B is currently incarcerated in the Rappahannock Regional Jail under no bond. Stafford Deputies responded to a 911 hang-up call from the address on Kennesaw Drive. When police arrived on scene he encountered the female victim, screaming, naked and covered with blood running from the residence. Moments later police say B exited the residence and was immediately taken into custody without incident. Preliminary investigation indicates that Broadway initiated a conversation with the female victim in the Foreston Woods Drive area of Stafford. The female victim accompanied B home to his residence. Once at the residence the female victim was assaulted after refusing to have sex with Broadway. During the violent struggle the victim was able to call 911 and ultimately run from the residence. The victim was transported to an area hospital were she was treated for severe head lacerations and a broken arm, a result of being hit with a “nightstick” like instrument numerous times. This investigation is ongoing.”
By now, LE managed to get the public completely confused and angry. Obviously, they must have a reason why they are so reluctant to get the sketch out to the public. (As an aside, even if Sketch doesn’t have anything to do with Morgan, it is in any case a good idea to get him off the streets and behind bars. It must be a very good reason.)
LE said they are not looking for any more hypothetical scenarios, but I am going to provide a few ones anyway.
Scenario one: the DNA trace in both the Fairfax and the MH case is caused by contaminated lab equipment. This does in fact happen.
Scenario two: Sketch and Morgan’s murderer share a number of loci on their DNA (does happen as well), so that they come up as identical in the initial test.
Scenario three: Sketch’s DNA was on something found on the crime scene, but he was never there. He handled the item in a shop or factory, or at work.
Scenario four: Morgan was in contact with a number of people that night, and we are dealing with several independent crimes. First, she got into a car, was subsequently assaulted by Sketch, escaped, and was then collected by the person who would murder her. This last BG has a connection to AF.
Re; the photo
I’ve always felt this photo was imporant ~ it is the only photo I have seen from outside the arena before the concert. So, I went back to look at it to see if there was anyone in it that resembled Sketch.
I’m looking above the light blue hoodie that appears in the foreground. There is someone that appears to be quite fair (hair & skin color) however his facial features, bone structure and facial hair (density, etc) look to me like they resemble Sketch.
Yes, he is clearly white ~ I hope you’re not laughing right now
Here’s what I’m thinking though…
The victim was attacked from behind and may have only seen her attacker for a few seconds; if that.
This was an extremely traumatic event.
The victim was badly beaten ~ this could have included a head injury (I haven’t read that it did but I’m thinking it is possible).
It was dark.
From what I understand, the victim was not white. I read recently (I’ll find the information again and will post it when I do) that it is possible for the victim of a rape to incorporate features of her own race into her recollection of her attacker when her attacker is a different race than she is.
Just an fyi, a dna profile would indicate this man’s racial origin. I believe he is black.
B
This thing is so mind boggling. I find myself walking thru the supermarket trying to figure out what we are missing. Like so many have said, if they feel this guy is linked in some way, and Blink feels LE has the who, why has nothing happened? There is something more to this that we don’t know. I was wondering, could this forensic evidence be related to the purse or any other Morgan items we dont know about. In that case, other than the FX event which needs to be dealt with, that wouldnt necessarily link this to Morgans death, right? The purse could have gone thru a number of hands, as could any camera that was pawned and such. ( just throwing that out as an example). Anyway, it doesnt particularly seem to be urgent, as Yoshi mentioned above.
J4M, I have been pondering your statements re your opinions. The thing I wonder, if they had pings of Morgan until 9pm or so, can they tell if she was in the arena versus outside the arena? If it is not that specific, I may be able to buy into her being there longer than what has been offerred. I certainly think she left the friends and did some hanging out without them.
The other thing, that I know Fish has been tuning in to, are the witnesses that said she was on the bridge, hitchiking and whatnot. Besides maybe UVA police, why would these other witnesses be so hell bent on her hitchiking? Could any of these witnesses been MIB? I can see that Dee could have been spotted as Morgan and viceversa. But the witness that put ‘Morgan’ w/ these guys was during Metallica correct? I think we have seen Dee during that part of the show often. Has she ever indicated what time she arrived?
The other thing I might not quite understand, and believe me I am dense half the time. But it is my experience, that I wouldn’t think the UVA community would hide the fact that they thought this might be a non-white perp. I think the fact that it has not been suggested until now, shows they were likely looking at a white offender. (JMO) Specifically due to the community at large. Now I would think FX and north would be a different story based on community statistics. But, I don’t live in Charlottesville, so this is all a guess.
I am trying to see where you are going J4M, I just need a little more to bite into.
@ Blink July 12, 2010 at 4:12 pm
“Just an fyi, a dna profile would indicate this man’s racial origin.”
Only if they have additional testing done (i.e. if they have doubts about his racial origin), and even then there is quite a large margin for error.
49 – I agree with you – I think somebody found the shirt and put it on the bush to be found by the owner or somebody who took a fancy to it. No offence to all who thought it was more – I read all the responses – but I just couldn’t get all the secret message speculation. If “Sketch” is the guy …… I’m really not feeling the secret message thingy – again, no disrespect to anyone.
For any of you who might have missed my previous post, as it was held in moderation for a bit… not complaining, Blink
. I’m suggesting that you go back and review the ideas and research by a poster on another forum. It’s very thought provoking. I think that a compilation of all our research and thoughts might possibly help to progress this case to resolution.
Post found here:
#17 – counselor4u says:
July 11, 2010 at 12:43 pm
At least J4M didn’t pick skyler’s son from the picture as the possible perp. Whatever happened to skyler anyway? She was a good poster.
If the 2005 victim got the color of the guy’s skin that wrong, I don’t think we could take the facial structure or anything else about the sketch too seriously either. As blibnk said, they can tell a lot about race from the dna, though they don’t always do that test. A lot of people in this country, especially african americans, have mixed racial backgrounds.
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Eloise says:
July 12, 2010 at 4:46 pm
“I wouldn’t think the UVA community would hide the fact that they thought this might be a non-white perp. I think the fact that it has not been suggested until now, shows they were likely looking at a white offender.”
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I don’t think the UVA community would say anything one way or the other about the race of the perp unless they knew it for a fact and even then I doubt anyone would say anything about it except for LE — if you mean to include them in that community.
TO: Mom3.0: Thank you so much for asking about me.
I’m here.
Observing.
A lot.
Hi all. Sketch isn’t sitting right with me for some reason. Can’t put my finger on why. I was thinking the monster would be younger.
Where is Skyler?
Dear Mom3.0: Thankyou so much for reaching out to your old friend Hummingbird …smile I am getting a lot out of reading your posts. You have become quite the sleuth, and always taking the time to make everyone feel welcome and included here at BOC. I know this forum is your first and mine also.
Shiny Morgan brought us to Blink and opened my eyes to what evil is happening in the world where our young are under constant threat of being abducted and victimized. Sigh….
Observer I have been missing you as well. I am so very glad you are here observing a lot. Something is just not sitting right with me about all of this. All the smoke and mirrors around Morgan and her horrible, violent murder. Nothing seems to fit together somehow, like something , some much bigger picture is being purposefully kept from us. It is gnawing away at me, actually I am so angry about it and so sad for the Harringtons. I pray justice is coming and that LE are truly engaged in finding Morgans killer and protecting our young women by removing a violent and dangerous predator off the streets. J4M …… 241
redly says:
July 12, 2010 at 7:38 pm
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Eloise says:
July 12, 2010 at 4:46 pm
“I wouldn’t think the UVA community would hide the fact that they thought this might be a non-white perp. I think the fact that it has not been suggested until now, shows they were likely looking at a white offender.”
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I don’t think the UVA community would say anything one way or the other about the race of the perp unless they knew it for a fact and even then I doubt anyone would say anything about it except for LE — if you mean to include them in that community.
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LOL! No, I think I meant gender makeup, vs community. And yes, I agree with what you said. But if you read the hook remarks and some of the views on here early on, there was an awful lot said about the race of this sketch guy. I personally could care less if he were green. I think what I am trying to say is, if the guy we need to find is dark skinned of any nationality, it is good to know. It narrows down the trillion people that need to be looked at. Same as if he were an amputee, you cant make that go away. So, I may have read into it wrong, but I didnt see why it mattered one way or the other. Am I more confusing than before?
Is it the surveillance camera on the bldg? i didn’t have to zoom in for that though…
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Anyone else see what I see in the photo linked to below?
Try enlarging to 400% for a really good look. I use a 42″ tv screen as my computer monitor and enlarged the photo to 400% ~ if you use a smaller screen, enlarging to 400% should still do the trick.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ganson/4024434362/
counselor4U:
I read it all again. Looked at the photos. First, it was a tremendous amount of work that went into this side by side comparison. No one can doubt that those “Rangers” are in it to “Win” it!
Secondly, it would seem that this would be the ideal situation for Sketch to work in. There are so many similiarities between the two places. Maybe, we have someone that has switched jobs between 2005 and today. Meaning from Fairfax to Cville.
Then, how we link him to AF is the real question.
Blink: May I repost my June 12, 2010; 1:50 a.m. thoughts again?
Seems that I must have deleted during a mid-moderation processing. Or, if you received and rather I not. I had deja view writing it. So, it may be too old to discuss all over again.
Blink:
Are you able to clear up if you believe Sketch was Perp 1 or Perp 2, the helper of sorts? I don’t know why I’m confused on what you believe, but I am. Go ahead and sit me in front. Sorry.
I think that Sketch was never connected with AF.
Bass, would recognize him. Right?
The neighbors behind would.
The locals would.
Contractors, subs, workers. Right?
No, Sketch had a helper and he was or is involved in some faction of LE. All the way from a currently employed police officer to a local rent a cop/security/fire/rescue.
This is the person that knew AF!
Did Bass tell the local Albemarle Police Dept. that he would be gone that weekend and to watch over property?
Do they mention “Owners Away on Vacay” in roll call?
Sketch doesn’t turn him in because he has helped him out before. Maybe it is family thus the silence. Both covering for each other.
Somebody better start looking at the seat next to them because if the above is not the case then…
Sketch is our one and only and I’m left to believe he was just living on that creek bed because he had no where else to go and posed as a cop.
Fish-
I am not saying what I think at the moment, on purpose. The known evidence tells us there is a connection, the rest is ours to absorb.
B
RE :your post below Eloise. To the far right of the window in front of the guy with the white hat ( closer to the window) there is a dark skinned man at least I think he is a male.
Eloise says:
July 12, 2010 at 2:56 pm
Ok in reading further, I dont see antone of interest leaning on a wall with ? dreadlocks. What I thought J4M saw, look at glass window. All the way to bottom, 2nd from right. White guy with black tshirt w/ white triangular emblem on back. Guy behind him, closer to us, dark skin, with gray green cap.
So where is the wall guy hummingbird?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ganson/4024434362/
First time I feel a bit like you feel about not feeling “Sketch” and it is a queasy feeling because I want to believe it is him but I don’t.
Another B I am reposting part of your scenario along these lines because it spoke to me.
anotherB says:
July 12, 2010 at 4:03 pm
LE said they are not looking for any more hypothetical scenarios, but I am going to provide a few ones anyway.
Scenario one: the DNA trace in both the Fairfax and the MH case is caused by contaminated lab equipment. This does in fact happen.
Scenario two: Sketch and Morgan’s murderer share a number of loci on their DNA (does happen as well), so that they come up as identical in the initial test.
Scenario three: Sketch’s DNA was on something found on the crime scene, but he was never there. He handled the item in a shop or factory, or at work.
Scenario four: Morgan was in contact with a number of people that night, and we are dealing with several independent crimes. First, she got into a car, was subsequently assaulted by Sketch, escaped, and was then collected by the person who would murder her. This last BG has a connection to AF.
That said this link below also has me on alert
IMOIMO posted:
http://www.wtvr.com/news/wtvr-loca-mugshots-2010-pg,0,7783750.photogallery
(link number 7)
diana h. says:
July 12, 2010 at 3:42 pm
IMOIMO posted:
http://www.wtvr.com/news/wtvr-loca-mugshots-2010-pg,0,7783750.photogallery
(link number 7)
Thank you IMOIMO –
It does look him. Hairline is thinned back.
Look at the description of the crime: Abduction with intent to defile, attempted rape, aggravated malicious wounding. Nightstick like instrument, severe head injuries, broken arm.
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This really sounds like it could be something. Would love to know more about this guy.
07/13/2010 09:00 AM
GC10011639-00 Marshall vs Howell
GC10011496-00 Howell vs Marshall
Do they both appear in court today?
Not 100% certain but I think this is his facebook page. Virginia links, ex military, works or worked for a security company. May have spent time in the Pentagon — i.e., local to Fairfax county. Really want to know more.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Joseph-Broadway/788680505#!/profile.php?id=100001046764066&hiq=joseph%2Cbroadway&ref=search
http://www.ussecurityassociates.com/services-serve-colleges.htm
security company provides services to colleges and events.
Fish,
I think somewhere in those Fairfax clues lies the connection to AF. JMO.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ganson/4024434362/
It actually looks like Morgan with sunglasses on her head on the left of the pictures. Does anyone else see that? It must not be or someone would have already noticed her.
fwiw,
I believe one of the perps is dangerously cunning.
I believe he is a bully, although people around him may not realize they are being bullied.
I believe he is someone who gets as much, if not more, pleasure out of toying with LE as he got carrying out the crime itself.
I believe he is someone who is very familiar with Anchorage Farm although he ISN’T Sketch.
For several reasons, including the above, I believe the t-shirt was planted to be found.
I believe he will use all his cunning to try to pin the decision to end Morgan’s life on another although he is the real assassin, murderer, monster.
I’ll say it one last time ~ time is running out to go to police and make a deal.
“Free Uniforms
We provide a variety of uniforms to our security officers at no charge. This ensures a professional image and provides garments for seasonal changes.”
http:/www.ussecurityassociates.com/services-serve-colleges.htm
redly: well, they offer free uniforms. makes me wonder, no, not about this specific company but there are others. Rinky-dink ones.
Could it be c4u is correct and that the link is in Fairfax, somewhere and then moved to Cville. Morgan would have went with someone who offered help? Especially, if in a uniform. Did I read that the victim in the 2005 assault stated he had on khaki or light pants, light shirt, hoodie? Sounds like he just got off work.
I would be curious if the 7-11 employee the night of October 17, 2009 in Cville, remembers anyone sorta wearing this kind of get-up?
Maybe the guy doesn’t even work anymore.
Just never turned in the uniform.
Wears it for special occasions.
Even though David Bass does not recognize him, he wouldn’t.
It’s not Sketch that knows the property.
We should be looking for Sketch’s friend.
That is the connection to Anchorage Farm.
The friend!
Who was fired, let go, downsized in a field of security?
Good question.
LE still needs to find Sketch. Regardless!
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Hummingbird, Eloise, anotherB: Interesting conversation. It would seem if there are other “DNA hypothetical scenarios”, then Morgan Harrington continues to have a series of unfortunate events.
This would really need to stop.
I pray that LE has this one right.
Can we go back to the MIB?
It is my strong belief sketch is connected to AF via a third party, not directly.
B
Ode: That girl is about 10 years older than Morgan. Ok, maybe not ten but she is older. Doesn’t have blonde hair and well, just does not look a bit like her. IMO. Sorry, but nice try. I’m back looking at LOG videos and stills.
That’s my point.
Sketch’s friend knows AF.
Need to look at who he would hang with.
Maybe as kids on this land???
Redly I’m glad you agree on the importance of IMOIMO’s find.
I think this is the link to the FB page:
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001046764066&ref=ts
If this is the guy arrested for the vicious abduction and attack in Stafford then he surely fits:
He’s a pillar of his church, and states that he’s now been given the gift of annointing (not sure what that means exactly). It might mean that he is able to represent himself as a preacher.
He’s a 20 year US Navy veteran, now retired.
He’s in security – perhaps as a consultant – perhaps as a worker picking up extra cash.
Possibly was in security in the US Navy.
In other words, this is a man who hides in plain sight. He “reads” as being normal.
How to connect him to AF? Not sure. Have a few ideas. Maybe we can connect him to Blandemar which is in such close proximity to the meadow where Morgan was found?
All props to IMOIMO for finding him! I merely tried to underline IMOIMO’s post because it looked so incredibly promising. Thank you IMOIMO!
(Speaking of Blandemar… Do we know that the farm manager was shown the sketch? Do we even know the identity of the farm manager?)
to replace remove link re the stafford guy
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0710/753175.html
Fish Says:
That’s my point.
Sketch’s friend knows AF.
Need to look at who he would hang with.
Maybe as kids on this land???
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I think it is someone who had an up-to-date perspective of the farm (not years past), who knew the terrain quite well, had very recent activity in that area just prior to 10/17. If all perp(s) had an illegitimate connection to the farm, LE will have a difficult time making the connection IMO.
Just some thoughts…
It is not unusual for eyewitness accounts to be inaccurate. I think a very good point was made previously relative to the attacker in the sketch possibly appearing older to the victim in Fairfax. A beard can add years to a young man’s appearance. Thus, the rapist may still be in his twenties, such a college student at the time of Morgan’s abduction.
What IF this ‘athletic’ attacker attended school in Fairfax, which required a certain dress code, and then attended UVA or was friends / family with someone at UVA. He would, then, probably know of AF through social or academic ‘osmosis’.
The 2005 rapist was wearing light / khaki pants, white shirt, and pullover / zippered dark sweater.
FYI, there is a private school in Fairfax with that dress code.
http://www.prepsportswear.com/product/us/Virginia/Fairfax/Paul-VI-High-School-Panthers/Embroidered-Men-s-1-4-Zip-Sweatshirt.aspx?d=10612&up_ss2=M&category=23&schoolid=119348&productid=608&pc=black
(Referring back to the posts by J Valentino).
PS….
Fish, I’m not a ‘he’. I’m a granny.
From the Help Find Morgan Dana Harrington Facebook research counselor brought over;
Both crimes occurred…”within locality of campus and luxury home construction and contractor (GC and subs) work occuring at both locations (Blandemar Farm estates by Anchorage Farms at Charlottesville in 2006-2009 and new GMU/Fairfax City/Oakton expansion in 2005).”
Funny how it’s often thought crimes only occur in less desirable areas, yet both these crimes occurred in and around beautifully landscaped luxury developments.
From Fredricksburg.com a story On Joesph Broadway,
Apparently, he is a minister in a church where another minister was also brought up on charges…Look at the comments at the bottom of the news report.
http://fredericksburg.com/News/Web/2010/072010/0707st1
If he is the guy whose facebook Redly found…then he states he is married and has a daughter at ODU! (Old Dominion University is in the Norfolk area.)
c4u!
OH! Goodness. I didn’t mean to call you a “Dude”.
I apologize. But, the world can always use another granny!
Life experience cannot be replaced and should be treasured.
Truly and deeply.
My Guppy Gal has a cyber-fairy Godmother in Lady O but my other kid is missing one. Maybe I could register for a complete set here?
See, we always find when we least expect it!
This has become quite of family here on BOC.
Cat: I agree about recent trips to AF 100%!
Maybe they or he or whomever camped out there. Thought it would be fun to see if they could get away with it. I would be curious to know if there was ever a small scorched area, as in a campfire.
My boy made one, it was small but lasted throughout the night.
This brings me back to the photos taken on AF by Cantelope.
Where were they and why?
Plus 7-mile sleepover?
Also, I still think that one of them is sittin’ tight in that county. FWIW.
The 2005 rapist was wearing light / khaki pants, white shirt, and pullover / zippered dark sweater.
FYI, there is a private school in Fairfax with that dress code.
http://www.prepsportswear.com/product/us/Virginia/Fairfax/Paul-VI-High-School-Panthers/Embroidered-Men-s-1-4-Zip-Sweatshirt.aspx?d=10612&up_ss2=M&category=23&schoolid=119348&productid=608&pc=black
(Referring back to the posts by J Valentino).
This is a good point and that High School is just East of Camp Washington and the Giant Food grocery store. You can easily walk or ride a bike to and from these locations.
http://www.ussecurityassociates.com/services-serve-colleges.htm
This is a page From US Security Associates )the Company listed in the FB page for the JB that Redly posted.
They provide College Security…ESCORT SERVICE etc.
I noticed that more than once, on this JB’s FB page since May, IIRC, he updated his work info.
I think the facebook page linked IS the Joseph Broadway noted in the mug shot. If you run an intellius search for “Joseph Broadway” in VA, you find only 4 — only one of whom is 46. That one has, according to intellius, a relative named Ch—- Broadway, who is listed as Joseph Broadway’s daughter on his facebook. Also, the 46 year old Joseph Broadway is the one listed as residing in Stafford — the county of the abduction with intent to defile. Moreover, that same Joseph Broadway was listed as living in Alexandria at another point. Alexandria is very near Fairfax and, in fact, parts of Fairfax County are called “Alexandria” even though there is also a nearby independent city of Alexandria.
This doesn’t mean its linked to Sketch, but I do think you have the facebook of the man recently arrested for abduction with intent to defile.
O/T possibly.
IMOIMO, diana h. and redly:
A pillar of the community?
That house is listed in two names.
Wonder what the Mrs. would say?
Where is she? Death, divorce or desertion?
And, what was he thinking beating her?
What was he going to do once it was over? Take her back to Foreston Woods Drive area where he found her?
He makes me sick!
Fish — if, as alleged, he was beating her repeatedly with a nightstick hard enough to break her arm and bloody her head, he was going to kill her IMO.
What if the reason the woman went to his house was because he caught her shoplifting (or accused her of it. . . ) (security guard on duty) and he said, let’s go — and she went. . . What if, also, same dude was a security guard at the Giant where 2005 victim was walking home from . . .
But, what would have taken him to C’ville . . . maybe Security Associates was hired to provide extra security for big events at JPJ? But I thought we knew the name of the security firm and it was something else. . .
Hummingbird and Observer- Glad to have you back, Fish is right BOC has become quite the cyber family.
I do not think we will find Sketch in any mugshots. I may be wrong but, remember guys, he isn’t in the system. To all those who keep looking anyway, thank you- You may prove the system is flawed.
Wasn’t there talk of a mini-woodstock on AF a while back? Was that just talk or did that actually happen?
I too think SKetch will be a friend of a friend- or one of those forgettable people that kids use for a ride, or to get beer or other.
I am thinking he may have been introduced to AF as a tag along of a friend of a friend.
I am of course speculating.
Minney Pinney- no need to apologize or feel bad for speaking your mind and giving your opinion- we need everyone’s perspectives.
Counselor4you, thanks for taking the time to link that.
You are all welcome, it may be nothing, but it was def worth pointing out… I think the area being so close to Fairfax Co and what he did to the victim is what caught my eye on top of his likeness to the photo, minus the facial hair and hairline… maybe it’s nothing, maybe it’s something but regardless, another poor woman has been attacked BUT lived to tell her story for once.
I love this place!! Keep doing what you guys do, especially Blink!
I completely agree he bears a strong resemblance, and he is obviously a sick dude. However, I caution everyone that he has a 20 year Naval career. His DNA is in codis.
B
Blink — I have a question for you. I’m wondering, and I figure others might be too. About JB — you say that his dna is definitely in Codis. I’m not sure what Codis is, but I wonder if you could explain. Here in the DC area, there was a recent article about the “East Coast Rapist” who’s raped at least 12 women in 4 states, and many are linked by DNA. The report, IIRC, said that authorities speculate that he may have been in the military which would account for his many moves. But, if he was in the military, then, wouldn’t he too be in codis? Can you elaborate? Can we rule out anyone in the military because they’re dna would be known to authorities already?
I owe you a polly.
I can’t confirm the military dbs and Codis “talk” to each other without seperate and specific unsub input.
I am thinking it has to go through a JAG, will follow up with one and let you know.
B
I completely agree he bears a strong resemblance, and he is obviously a sick dude. However, I caution everyone that he has a 20 year Naval career. His DNA is in codis.
B
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Are you certain Blink?. I have tried to research this online quite a bit and have not been able to find anything saying all military dna samples are put in codis. I have found something that said that DoD convictions (i.e., military trial convicts) are put in codis. I just don’t know the answer.
No, I am not certain, checking.
B
OK, so silly me . . . I figured out what CODIS is – pardon my taking your time on that. But, I still wonder about whether military members are automatically entered. The FBI website says the following about what CODIS consists of (from http://www.fbi.gov):
Several Indexes Categorize the Profiles Entered into CODIS
Convicted Offender
contains profiles of individuals convicted of a crime
Forensic
contains DNA profiles developed from crime scene evidence such as semen stain or blood.
Arrestees
contains profiles of arrested persons (if state law permits the collection of arrestee samples).
Missing Persons
contains DNA reference profiles from missing persons.
Unidentified Human Remains
contains DNA profiles developed from unidentified human remains.
Biological Relatives of Missing Persons
contains DNA profiles voluntarily contributed from relatives of missing persons.
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While I couldn’t find a definitive answer, I couldn’t find anything that said a military member’s DNA would be in CODIS. I did find information to suggest that the military would HAVE the dna of any soldier (to identify remains, etc.) but that it would not be tested and coded as necessary to enter into codis unless that person was arrested or convicted of an applicable crime.
Great research worried mom, thank you for that. We are a teaching blog.
However, I owe you an apology. I was too quick with my answer.
As a member of the military for 20 years, his DNA would have been retained, or blood sample to be profiled as DNA if necessary, but it would NOT automatically be in CODIS. A comparative profile to known sample would have to be requested of the military database, I do not know if they “talk” live to each others databases automatically when an unknown offender profile hits.
Gonna field that question to some pals and get back to you.
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