Kyron Horman Missing and Endangered Sources: Terri Horman Hired Landscape Lover
Portland, OR- Like a Roman Candle will light up the sky in most of our neighborhoods today, the Portland Community is aflame with this mornings breaking developments.
As reportedly leaked to The Oregonian, one of two media outlets booted from the recent press conference hosted by Kaine Horman, Desiree and Tony Young, sources say Terri Horman, step-mom to missing 7 year old Kyron Horman, attempted to hire her landscape lover to murder her husband, Kaine Horman.
Last Saturday, June 26, Multnomah County Detectives advised Kaine Horman that his wife had hired a landscaper without his knowledge, and the expert in landscape services admitted he was offered a large sum of money by Terri Horman to off Kaine, allegedly after discovering his affair with a colleague.
Remniscient of the blockbuster black comedy hit FARGO, MCSO detectives attempted to ensnare Terri Horman into a conversation about the murder for hire plot with the cooperating landscaper and an undercover officer, but Horman ended the conversation quickly.
While Terri Horman was undergoing her second polygraph on that Saturday afternoon, detectives informed Kaine Horman of the confirmed finding, and advised him to remove himself and the couples 18 month old daughter from the marital residence. Within 48 hours Horman filed for divorce and an emergency restraining order which was granted and subsequently sealed to protect the integrity of the investigation.
Sources speaking to blinkoncrime on the condition of anonymity, have confirmed that the landscaper, whose identity is being withheld as he is a material witness in the ongoing investigation into the disappearance of Kyron Horman, met Terri Horman on the grounds of Skyline School.
Skyline Schools Garden and Habitat Project kicked off Last August, and it was not unusual to see white landscaper trucks in the parking lot, although it is not known if the landscaper witness is involved in the project.
The project, funded by a grant from West Multnomah Soil &Water Conservation District, is one of many funded in part by WMSWCD. Recently, on Sauvie Island, the focus of the intensive search efforts, the “Healthy Streams” initiative kicked off.
The objective on Sauvie Island agricultural land is to reduce invasive plant species and tillage directly adjacent to waterways, which may contribute to erosion and sedimentation. WMSWCD will pay to install and maintain non-invasive herbaceous buffers, or woody plants if consistent with canal maintenance needs. These should be easier for farmers to maintain, better protect livestock drinking water, irrigation and drainage canals, and offer pollinator habitat.
On Friday afternoon, following a Thursday plea from Kyron’s Mom, Desiree Young for Terri Horman to cooperate fully with investigators to bring Kyron home, Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton attempted to repair the riff caused by Kaine Horman’s abrupt “off the record” rules to the press which was not disclosed until arrival.
“..There have been 2,877 valid leads and about 60 percent of them have been covered. Each lead takes detectives in a new direction, making it difficult to pursue the remaining leads faster, he said.
“Everyone is a person of interest,” Staton said in response to questions about any specific individuals…”
Blinkoncrime.com attempted to reach Terri Horman attorney Stephen Houze for a comment on the latest rumors surrounding his client, but was told he is unreachable on the East coast. My media contacts are telling me that Houze is shopping imaging and licensing rights to fund his clients representation, should she be charged of any criminal offenses. Terri Horman has neither been charged in Kyron’s disappearance nor the alleged attempt to contract for her husbands death.
Blinkoncrime.com Editorial Analysis
It cannot be a ko ink y dink that this information was leaked to the largest paper in the state, following the snuff by Kaine Horman. The landscaper lover was well known amongst us media folks, but not the plot part.
Where is started to go cattywampus for me was where we see the new John Deere tractor aquired by the Horman’s recently, would seem somewhat unnecessary if they had contracted a landscaper/lawn service.
Another oddity which could be completely unrelated, stays with me.
Intel colleague and Horman family friend Michael G. Roten, was arrested last August on suspicion of menacing charges in Clackamas County the day after an Intel bag with a Sony computer, prescription Gucci glasses was taken from a vehicle on Country Club Rd. It is not known if the 2 incidents are related. Roten posted on Terri Horman’s facebook offering any help they could, a few days after Kyron’s disappearance was made public.
Check back to blinkoncrime.com for continuing updates.
Madeline Tanner, blinkoncrime.com, contributing editor
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Who’s the person that had an affair with Kaine?
When did Terri find about about the affair?
And back to……..for sure the women at that school noticed her flirting with other men. women recognized that stuff right away.
What about the best friends family?
And…you know that no conversation will come from TH now that she has a lawyer, but nothing lost, because she hasn’t given up any info yet anyways. TH is a really good liar.
But, I think Kaine lies too.
someone close to that family has that little boy and they all know that and THAT is really pitiful.
I still hope and pray that Desiree gets her son back when he comes home. I feel really bad for her because she was really lied to and I think she knows that.
I would also like to say:
Radiogirl, good post.
I am so sorry about the family stuff and you are brave and you make really good points. I agree with your post
radiogirl says: (Kaine)You must now be transparent and understand your integrity and lifestyle as a father,husband and citizen is of extreme value and DIRECTLY related to regaining your son. You are a part of the answer as well.I am not saying you are guilty of a crime. You are asking for help but you are removing valuable people from your press conf. that you requested in the first place. Something has gone far wrong in your household and your son has paid a price.I am deeply saddened and heart broken by Kyrons disappearance.In that I am praying for you and you family.
These recent revelations are an outrage on so many levels.
Here here….I second that….Mr. Horman, Mrs. Horman…Wrongs have been done that will never come undone. The ONLY logical, righteous move that either of you can make, at this point in your game, is to concede and bring this boy home.
You go, radiogirl.
Titch, I think you may be referring to the “comment” that lizzygoat posted from HopeinVA?
Blink’s observation that those kinds of criticisms heat up when things get close isn’t surprising. After all, why does someone CARE what Blink posts here unless they are somehow affected?
I know we’ve been very careful about Desiree, probably because she seems so delicate. But why didn’t she seek more time with Kyron, if she wanted to see him whenever she wanted? Did Kyron look forward to his time with her? Would it have been impossible to live closer? Did Kaine somehow block her from more access to Kyron? Was it because she worked, and Terri stayed at home that Kaine managed to keep Kyron? Did Kaine force Terri to do all the volunteering at the school, etc., to make the case for keeping Kyron? I’ve had lots of thoughts along these lines, all brought on by Desiree’s own comments. Yet she seems so far from the current lines of investigation and so vulnerable that I feel slimy to even bring it up.
Thinking of you, radiogirl.
Maggy says:
July 5, 2010 at 1:03 pm
ANNALS Thank you for the clarification that it was Kaine’s adoptive father and grandfather who are authors, not Terri’s father. There seems to be “RED” everywhere…red eyed tree frog, RED HAIR, RDSQRL, RED SQUIRREL. What do you make of that?
Mostly what I make of it is that Terri is very self referential. (Red Eye Tree Frog excluded.) Also, that naming a book/main character after someone in the writer’s life conferres a high level of attention upon the namesake by the author. I think that Terri enjoys that kind of attention. Me?; if my late father-in-law (who I liked) named something of his creation after me, I would have been seriously skeeved and would have let him know.
@deeannneck: I’m with you on the makeup
But even if it is him, and we do not know that it is, it’s amazing to me that several people here are so willing to ascribe to him personality traits that add up to him taking Kyron, and at the same time ignore, or explain away, TH, the landscaper and the murder-for-hire thing. Oh well.
Guess I just have too much faith in LE to believe that they could be completely duped this way. When Chief Staton says that LE wants to have all of the evidence in order, no mistakes, I believe him, and respect that is what they’re doing. So it’s very hard for me to believe that TH really loves Kyron; planning to have a child’s father murdered is not congruent with loving a child. MHO. And I also have faith in Blink, that if she puts this out here, it may not be statements from LE just yet, but it’s damned sure true. I have a hard time believing that Blink would rumor-monger this aspect when she takes great effort screening, commenting, and clearing up the random rumors stated in comments here. So LE & Blink get my vote for knowing what’s going on.
At any rate, (insert heavy sigh here) I’m worried Blink might be right. I made myself look up ‘hardscaper’ just to be sure of what it meant (I was hoping for ‘rock garden’) and yes, it makes sense. *Maybe* Kyron was also on the list of people TH needed gone, and he was just an easier target than KH at this time.
I used to be on a lot of sites but then my eyes
went bad so it has been about 3 years since
I have been able to do this sort of thing
IMO scared monkeys and this blink are the only
really good sites
So Suzan I think if you go on some sites and
compare you will run back here
I agree Susan it really doesn’t matter if this guy
was a lover. But why he didn’t go tell months
ago before Kyron went missing makes me
mad
after all being ask to off someone should be
reported I feel so mad at this guy
Lizzy – Yep. BUT why would it affect HIV unless she has MORE OF a vested interest in HERSELF than in finding KYRON? Blink’s work speaks for itself. Take it or leave it. My name is Titch AND I SUPPORT THIS ENDORSEMENT!
…notyellingjustmakingapoint…
Ok I am lost now.
Thanks for the kind words everyone, it would be my preference if we could stay on topic and ignore any negativity. I realize I could choose not to publish those posts, but as long as they are respectful, in general it is my policy to allow them. If it runs the risk of derailing a conversation, not so much.
B
Another thing is all these friends of Terri’s
must of had a clue
why didn’t anyone say something
Kyron I care
OMGosh, I can;t believe I was so caught up in this I just noticed there’s Lizzy as well as Lizzygoat. My comments were definitely directed towards Lizzygoat. Thanks Lizzy.
I agree that they do have something on the landscaper that spawned his outward-looking altruistic courage. He entertained something during or after the fact with her (hit for hire deal). He’s even quoted as saying he “was supposed to get something.”
I also don’t think Desiree is the wimp everyone thinks she is.
All things considered, I question the integrity of every player in this big family circle. Everyone has at one point or another looked paranoid over the attention they’re getting as a result of a missing boy – a young life on the line. How absolutely atrocious. I’ve had to study and work at understanding this situation and that is crazy.
RE:
I believe it was reported that Desiree went to live with her parents in Medford ( about 6 hours drive south of Portland) following her hospitalization for kidney transplant (paid for out-of-pocket) in Canada. Prior to leaving for Canada she shared custody of Kyron with Kaine. She was divorced from Kaine but left Kyron with him when she went to Canada. She came back with $30k in medical bills and had to move in with her parents (who I presume also cared for her during her recovery). I don’t know why she didn’t try to regain custody of Kyron but maybe it was due to the fact that she owed so much money and wasn’t able to financially support him as well as Kaine could. Could have been that Kyron then became used to living with Kaine and started school and she didn’t want to remove him and disrupt his life any more than she already had.
@hulagirl: thanks for posting that. My guess is that Desiree is busy kicking herself for woulda/coulda/shoulda now. I know what it is like to think that I’m making the best decision for someone else, only to completely fubar it, and I know the guilty and self-flagellation that comes with, so I’m not going to kick Desiree when she’s down already.
This is where I was going with that, thanks for wording it better than I.
B
44.beejay says:
July 5, 2010 at 1:59 pm
@Vern: My only problem with your #6 is fitting it in with why and how they’re using the landscaper now and the MFH thing to solve the Kyron case. You think Landscaper admitted the Kyron kidnapping to LE and so that case is essentially solved now? And they’re just trying to now go after TH for the MFH scheme and solve this brand new case?
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The MCSO is absolutely denying that any info about the landscaper came from them. They don’t deny the accuracy of it, but they deny it came from their office or officials. That leads me to believe this info was ‘leaked’ by someone else. Who else knew? The landscaper. Kaine and bio-mom and step dad. Terri too. Terri would have found out about the landscaper’s statement about “hiring him to do a hit” when she recd her copy of the “sealed” RO (sometime Tuesday or Wednesday). If so, the first thing I’d be doing when I found out someone had made such a claim about me would be hiring a criminal defense attorney. Makes the timing of the defense attorney make a LOT of sense too. So, who of the 5 above leaked it? Me somehow thinks it wasn’t Terri. I don’t think that there is any doubt that the landscaper made the statement about the hit to LE (then they advised Kaine about it) … but I have doubts that his statement was TRUE. I don’t think it was true because he NEVER reported it until LE tracked him down and questionned him and that when questionned, he made that statement to deflect any guilt back onto Terri and away from himself. I think his statement is exactly why LE called Terri back in for a 2nd lie detector test, which happened on the 26th – the same afternoon that the conversation between Terri, the landscaper and the undercover person was shut down quick by Terri. I think she underwent her 2nd LDT after the sting set-up and that while she was undergoing it, more LE were advising Kaine of what was occuring and what they had found out and then him moving out before she returned home. BUT, if LE had gained any proof that the landscaper’s story was true … shouldn’t Terri be in jail this very moment on, at the minimum, a charge of solicitation to murder? Wouldn’t LE have immediately removed Kaine and child from the “threat” instead of simply advising him?
I don’t think the landscaper admitted to anything. But I do think he told them what has been reported only because he was tracked down and pretty much had no choice but to say ‘something’ to explain his interaction with Terri (perhaps via cell or in person on Sauve Island that day). I’m just not sure what he said though is TRUE or not. Either way, my hinkey is blinging at him more closely than Terri right now.
From Blink:
I believe there are 2 possibilities. I am not going to say which one I subscribe to.
1. Terri broke off a relationship with this dude, backed out and he had the money spent already. He took Kyron for ransom to get her to pay up. Backfire.
2. Terri conspired with landscaper to have Kyron kidnapped, and there is a financial trail for these 2, so due to the fact that Kaine is very much alive, it is easier to place blame for an uncommitted crime and explain the transactions that way. How the Hell would Kaine not know Terri hired a landscaper?
That’s BS. Does he strike you as a guy that does not know what’s going on his yard?
Again Backfire.
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Blink,
Am I right in understanding that the two players you believe are involved in Kyron disappearance are TH and LS?
If this is the case, Ah, I am confused! If Kyron was alive wouldn’t there be a swat team raining down on LS guy? If not wouldn’t there need to be a third person involved who may have Kyron while LS is under investigation? And, if Kyron is deceased, why the ransom? Why a note? Why the glasses? Do you think he “could” have been alive at one point but now isn’t? Like I have said all along, I think that kidnappig a child for ransom and murdering a child are huge differences that one would not easily make a leap from.
I saw the photo album of Terri’s on fb after seeing the links here to it. I saw this perfect family on family outings, an Easter celebration with a gorgeous table layout including a flower centerpiece, a baby’s first swimming lessons, Kyron’s class projects, and I could hear my mother’s voice (not literally, lol) in the back of my head somewhere saying “Smile, pretend you are happy”. Memories of living in a violent and very abusive home. These people, at least Terri, were trying so hard to look normal and happy. It’s too perfect. And…………when things are too perfect, something is usually really wrong beneath the top layer.
I will never understand these horrific crimes against children. I may understand dynamics, pathology, criminology some, family systems, etc…..but my heart will never understand. I can’t have children due to childhood experiences and I look at people like Terri and think why? Why would you hurt a child? Why would you even have the right to be a parent? Why would you be given these beautiful children, 3 gifts, and sacrifice them for your own egocentric self. I have found myself at times talking to Kyron and telling him how sorry I am that this happened to him. I hope he is somewhere peaceful, playing and watching the red fireworks, whether that is on this earth or in a paradise above.
@minima
I agree with you. How could we possibly ever understand someone that could do something like this? Without having access to the facts it’s almost impossible to get any factual idea of what could be going on or could have gone on. The first thing I thought when I read this was we are just going to have to wait. Which for me is not something I am good at. The only thing I know for sure is I have not liked TH for some reason from day one. When I read the post on her fb that said “gonna hit the gym, didn’t get home until 8pm” my thought were, REALLY? Part 1 you have the strength to even go the gym? To even walk? Part 2: didn’t get home until 8pm, like that is late? I wouldn’t want to come home at ALL to my child’s empty bedroom where my child would not be playing and laughing, being silly, crazy or being naughty and crying BEING MY CHILD. NO! She is wrong.
@Angela_NW
That is the thing about Portland, you never know what you are going to get. This last winter was abnormally warm and we go very little to no snow at lower elevations. But most years we do get some snow so on a average year it would have been very odd to hire a landscaper in the winter as usually the grass does not even grow in the winter. I mean do you even see people mowing their yards in the winter? I agree that this is so frustrating but that is why I said above we just have to wait. I am glad LE is taking their time to make sure they get this right but for selfish reasons I want to know what’s going on but I don’t matter and that is a fact all that matters is justice for Kyron and I so BAD wanted him to be alive. I am just not so sure that is going to happen now.
@S.H.
The tractor would be able to plow snow but I did not notice a blade on it. I would not think they would get that kind of snow at their place. When you have property though you always need a tractor. It’s a staple. ;o)
@Julie
When you’re a stay at home mom in a rural area, well need I say more…….
@oneshot
No matter how much coaching from an attorney he was getting without TH doing something to give CAUSE they could NOT take her daughter. No matter what you say. She had to have done something so awful to make a judge feel her daughter was not safe in her care to give her NO parenting time at all or even supervised visitation. Judges do not just take children from their Mothers for no reason. No way, not buying it. TH is not a victim! Painting her as a victim here makes me want to vomit!
@39.radiogirl says:
July 5, 2010 at 1:51 pm
If it doesn’t look like a John Walsh ,talk like a Mark Klaas ,walk like a Beth Holloway, then I become very concerned that the child has been taken from this life by someone living under the very same roof
I COULD NOT AGREE MORE very well put, all you had to say!
I’m sad. I have boys and as I have tried to enjoy all of our “normal” events of the 4th of July/my son’s birthday I found myself thinking on Kyron the whole time. Setting rules. Forcing the boys to hold our hands the whole time (they are 3 and 5 so still reasonable) while we were at our yearly rodeo or while they were in a small town parade and anywhere in public. I’m trying not to let this steal my freedom of fun for my kids. But as I watch my boys having fun I realize that Kyron NOT and is WHERE and HOW(meaning is he alive or not)? And with the breaking news of yesterday it just did me in. It ruined my son’s birthday party for me. I played the part of a good Mommy but I’m absolutely heart broke. This is not going to end how I want it to. WTH is wrong with people. I cry! I don’t get it! Why would I? When I had my kids I gave up my life, my kids became my life. That was my choice. I would have taken Kyron in a second. I was thinking on that and thought of all the kids that this happens to, they can’t be saved by people like us on this forum. These kids are not in protective services. They are in their homes, where they are supposed to be safe. These parents wouldn’t have given them up and would have thought we were crazy to ask. As far as they knew they were safe in this case referring to KH. I have a feeling this is going to be a hard week for DY,TY and KH, and all of us that have grown to love Kyron. I’m still praying for you Kryon. Sweet little baby! Let’s hold on for the ride and I pray for us all durring this week. Lets all stay strong for eachother.
Blink~ I just wanted to commend you on the great and upstanding job you do as an online journalist. I am new to all of this and I don’t really get the “rules” I post and post emotional but like Mr. One said “Mrs. One this is an area that you are very emotional about, kids. Why wouldn’t you be emotional?” I have looked over some of the other sites and as much as I can’t STAND that you hold back info I appreciate it. I think that it PROVES who YOU are here for. And that in the end the on-going investigation is most important thing to you, you don’t do anything to jeopardize the case just to be the first to get the story out. I can see that it’s important to you that the person responsible is able to be held accountable and that the child is found no matter what that means. For all of that you should be commended. Great work. As much as I look forward to read what you put out next……………….I don’t………………………..I’m sure you understand………..
Ty friend.
B
HopeinVA=Suzan?
As far as DY is concerned I think that she probably was at the mercy of two manipulative people that felt they were what was best for Kyron. And having kidney failure probably left her with little fight in her, save for the fight of her life. Nor, do we know how long it took her to recover, as someone else pointed out, it could have long after Kyron was well-established in the Horman home. I don’t fault her at all, nor do I see her as a “fragile” person, probably just a little more susceptible to being manipulated in feeling like Kyron was better off with TH/KH.
I continue to be confused on any gay lover that KH may or may not have had, and the supposed picture of him in drag. I wasn’t sure what to make of all of this being brought up, afraid it may just fuel peoples demonization of him (for the wrong reasons), which I don’t feel either of these things warrant in and of themselves. But spending some time thinking about these things I will say this – I am not convinced of either of these things, and also as a side note, a person that likes to dress in drag doesn’t have to be gay; in fact a lot of cross-dresser are not gay. Not that I care either way, but just for claifications sake. However, thinking a long these lines started me wheels spinning. IF, big IF, one or both of these things are true it does give me insight into KH behavior and the hightened tension in TH/KH marriage. Perhaps TH felt very threatened by this, I think, as other people have pointed out, neither of these things are things that TH could compete with. Which may make her snap, having such a lack of control; especially under the assupmtion that TH’s womanly wiles were part of her toolbox. Also, it makes sense why maybe he got involved with her in the first place, they would probably both be equally invested (based on what we think of TH) to have a smoke and screen marriage. TH needed the “perfect” family, KH needed the cover and help raising his son, whom he wanted to keep custody of. TH having her own agenda and “lifestyle” choices may have been a perfect person to foot the bill. Anyway, my point is this all makes sense to me how it was a mutually beneficial relationship for them in the beginning but one that would likely have major problem, with both parties so invested in it for their very own personal reasons that were bound to oppose each other at some point; resulting in a recipe for disaster.
And the other reason I bring this up is because I agree with “RADIOGIRL,” who cares? IF KH liked to dress in drag, so be it. I understand that KH probably doesn’t want this to be publicized, and perhaps IF this is true why he’s such “controlling” guy (another assumption based on what we can gleam from his behavior that we have seen). Anyway, it doesn’t matter, but it can link the “motives” and such in this case. And those that care about what he did behind closed doors (as long as it didn’t harm anyone), screw ‘em. This is about Kyron. It’s been too long that he has been missing. It’s time for all parties to come clean to bring him home. And the truth is, it will all come out anyway at some point. I honestly don’t think that KH is a factor in where Kyron is today, but I think it could be a factor in the motives behind what happened and why…
Blink, if I am “off topic” here, I will absolutely respect your decision not to post this!
Wow I spent half an hour on a comment and then I hit the wrong key and it was gone to the comment blackhole. Let’s try again here.
I’m with you Blink, these back-and-forth comments between friends or pen-pals is REALLY frustrating for the rest of us. Can we just focus here people?
Food for thought here and to generate more thinking: could the landscaper and Brian be one in the same? Or friends? And why would there be a plan to off Kaine and Kyron at the same time, or close to the same time? Makes no sense IMO. Too suspicious for both to disappear or die simultaneously. Neh. It would be much easier to just off Kaine, then this would justify sending Kyron back to the bio-mom and TH is home free with the baby and the lover and probably some money. So why bother to do something to Kyron? Revenge? Was Kyron supposed to be a “lure” to Kaine? Maybe Kaine wasn’t supposed to come home early June 4th, and somehow he was supposed to be lured. The stuff that went on at the school that day did seem very “planned”, but then somehow the plan went wrong. Maybe Terri’s plan was to make it look like Kaine was responsible for Kyron’s disappearance since he came home early that day. If he was having an affair, maybe he was with this person on June 4th before he came home. Then LE would have checked him out, found out about an affair or whatever, and pursued HIM instead of Terri. Weak…
But if Terri is involved in all of this she really didn’t think about her own alibi very well. And she didn’t think about lie detector tests.
From the latest info, it doesn’t sound like the plan with the landscaper went very far, so maybe the date wasn’t ever set. I’m so confused…
Blink: do you think it was when Kyron went to see the electricity exhibit (after saying goodbye to his mom and telling Tanner that he was going there) that he was abducted by the hiredlandscapelover?It would make even more sense especially if Terri had met him during the school Garden and Habitat project (time frame makes sense). And he wouldn’t have really be a stranger inside the school either, right?
TYPO- correction …wouldn’t have really “been” a stranger inside the school either, right?
I’m a newbie here and have tried to read all the comments to tease out what is going on with this case. It’s really difficult with all the misinformation being circulated by the media! For example, there have been numerous reports that this landscaper “came forward,” when in fact Blink stated that he was located by LE as part of the discovery process.
Blink’s 2 possibilities of what may have gone wrong with the original plot make a lot of sense to me — especially Theory A, that TH backed out of an affair (perhaps when she realized that this guy wasn’t going to follow through on a murder plot) and he was left with some kind of grudge — either financial or romantic — against her.
From kgw.com
The landscaper – whom Terri had hired to do work last November without Kaine’s knowledge – came forward to investigators as they reached out to everyone that they could find who had had contact with the family. While he said he had no intention of carrying out the plot, he did believe that he would be getting something from Terri.
“She led him on,” sources said.
Led him on romantically? Financially? Did she stiff him on “landscaping” work he did when he started out in November? I don’t understand what the “something” he thought he would be getting is…..
Kleat says:
July 4, 2010 at 3:32 pm
Did TH end the conversation with the landscaper quickly because she was under some scrutiny already, or was it because she no longer had the same need to act on her original plan (if any, of course)?
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I think that it was the timing. I mean, she’s been into the police station for LDTs, she’d clearly been the person of interest among the public for weeks at that point. Even the media was starting to look at her skeptically; so of course she would find it highly suspicious that this landscape guy approaches her now and says what, “hey remember when you wanted me to kill your husband, I found a guy to do it!” I mean jeez, in the middle of a missing child case where you’re likely suspect #1, and someone is asking if you still want them to off your spouse? Of course she is going to shut that down.
I’m not sure why the police thought that would work at this time; maybe a week after Kyron went missing, but even then it was likely she was going to be onguard. I mean the timing would be highly suspect to anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together.
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With regards to the LS, I’m not seeing what anyone thinks he gets out of this. Unless he was already a criminal killer, why would he take any actions on Kyron unless he was persuaded/paid to? I could see him taking Kyron because he was involved with Terri and she persuaded him to. Maybe she gave him the line that Kaine cheated on her, and that he was abusive? Who knows? But I don’t see someone who is a stranger killing or even kidnapping someone else, unless there’s something in it for them. So, I definitely don’t see the LS kidnapping Kyron as some sort of revenge against Terri. IF he was involved, he did it at her request.
The problem with the LS being the culprit is the same problem with anyone else but Terri being the culprit.
1. He would’ve had to know that Terri was going to either purposely mislead the teacher about the Dr. appt., or he was going to have to be fortunate enough for the teacher to misunderstand. How would the LS know that a Dr. Appt. was going to be brought up to the teacher at that time? It would have to be thru Terri.
2. How on earth would the LS know that Terri was planning to drive Kyron that day, instead of him taking the bus?
3. Would the LS, someone who primarily works outside, know if the school had security cameras? Of all the place I’ve worked, I couldn’t tell you if half of them had them.
4. How did/would he know that Kyron would willingly meet him and go outside with him? Terri getting seen with Kyron = no big deal. LS getting caught trying to leave with Kyron would raise a lot of flags.
5. How would he even get Kyron alone? He would’ve had to stalked Terri around the building, then waited for Kyron to go see the electrical exhibit and try to talk him outside then. And I tend to think LS guy was a stranger to Kyron. He was working for Terri without Kaine’s knowledge, so I’m sure she wasn’t going to bring him around when Kyron was there, or introduce Kyron to him. Terri couldn’t take the risk of Kyron mentioning the LS to Kaine. My guess is any “work” the LS did was when Kaine was at work and Kyron at school. I really think there is no chance Kyron would’ve gone with the LS.
So, in my estimation, IF the LS had been involved at all, it was perhaps to take Kyron after Terri abducted him, and help hide him. Or to help her dispose of a body.
I tend to think the LS’s involvement is just what he said it was; she asked him to kill her husband and he believed she was not serious, so he let it go and didn’t think anything of it till Kyron disappeared. At first I thought well, maybe he’s helping the police try to trip-up Terri because he had some involvement with Kyron’s disappearance. But, I just don’t see it. I mean, if he can’t get her to admit it on tape (which he failed to do), then he’s on the hook with this story and she’s not. So why would he implicate himself in a crime?
Strictly MO, but if the LS was involved in Kyron’s disappearance, he sure as hell wouldn’t admit to anything. It’s not like the police would’ve had anything to implicate him. He was hired help at the house. So my guess is, perhaps the police found a payment to the LS, contacted him and asked what business he had with Terri. It sure doesn’t look like any kind of LS work has really been done at the house; but even so, LS either admitted or the police cracked him to the point where he admitted carrying on an affair with Terri. And if he was any kind of decent person, it probably occurred to him that the plot on Kaine was likely relevant to this case. If she could ask him to murder her husband, he knew she was capable of murderous intent.
I have gone back through posts, and I can be ignorant, so I ask: Was there ever *any* landscaping done by Landscaper-in-question at the Horman home? I am thinking not, as there would have been a search by now. But every place he worked since June 4 will now be searched, I’m sure. I didn’t really know exactly what hardscape meant, and when I saw it means all the hard elements (paths, patios, walls, trellises, fences) of any landscape project. Hard surfaces, covering the ground.. I could only think of what Blink said above and that little pair of glasses, and probably a note. Those little glasses tear me up.
I just wish someone would man up and grow a pair, I do not care who. That little boy deserves to come back home, no matter what.
Blink:
I enjoy your sight very much. The effort you put into aiding search efforts for missing children and adults, shows what a very large heart and soul you have. I applaud you.
As I have been following Kyron’s case, I noticed that it has been mentioned that DY came to Canada for kidney treatment, or possibly even kidney transplant. And that when she returned home she had a $30,000.00 debt.
Please allow me to explain that for citizens of Canada in full, consecutive residence, this debt would not have occurred. The reason for this happening to Kyron’s mom, is probably because she had been absent from Canada for a certain period of time. Even though she may have dual citizenship (I guessing, here), to qualify for full coverage, she would have had to reside in Canada for at least 6 months consecutively. (And this may vary from province to province.)
Still though, for such a serious condition, I’m quite sure she would have been looking at somewhere in the vicinity of $100,000. So it was a pretty good deal.
It’s wonderful to see her healthy today. Now, if only I could see Kyron in her arms and a smile on her beautiful face.
Sorry if this is to off topic to post.
TY.
I have stayed away from this topic, because I do not think it is relevant to Kyron’s disappearance.
Your correct there was no out of pocket expenses to Desiree. She has had only partial custody of her sons for quite some time.
B
I believe this landscaper’s story, i’m 100% certain that he took & Passed a polygraph with police before getting wired up for the undercover telephone call with Terri.
I don’t care if Kaine dressed in drag or if he’s bi (not saying he is) or that he may have had an affair, he’s just learned that a man is saying Terri tried to hire him to kill him * he can believe it coz he passed a poly to back it up. He did the right thing.
How can you possibly be 100% certain? Sorry, blinkoncrime.com has an editor that is a poly expert, among other things, so if you want me to post this as verified, you will need to be vetted.
Otherwise, it is a rumor.
B
OMG, wait, wait…ahh, there it is!!! My 25watts is shining bright now B. Can ya see it? You said this was a sexually motivated crime and I assumed you meant Little K not knowing you already knew about LS and TH. Now the question is are they in cahoots or is he a jilted ex? Gosh, I hope this leads to bringing this baby home!!! Thanks for always being 20 steps ahead of everyone!
Scenario #1. But where is he keeping Kyron???
You missed the backfire part.
I feel an obligation to those that feel Ky is still alive to not speculate more than I already have on here.
B
FWIW: Here is another newsletter that calls for school volunteers to submit to a background check.
http://skylineelementary.org/files/9_8_09issue.pdf
Been lurking for a while-never followed any crime like this one. Kyron reminds me of
my son same age. Just a visceral attachment to this little guy. His apparent life at home reminds me of my own childhood. My dad got custody of us kids after my mom’s illness made her “te
porarily” incapable of custody. It was well-known he didn’t like paying child support so a temp situation became quickly permanent since mom couldn’t afford to fight it in court.
Kyron’s whole situation was tragic – narcisstic self-indulgent parents who love themsves more than their own kids. Lots of it these days. Their actions since his disappearence proves it to me. Kyron couldn’t have had a whole lot of happiness in his brief life. I hope for the best but pray that a merciful God will grant him justice. Terri stop posting here and do the right thing. You won’t like the weight of that millstone.
I find it interesting that this article came out my time at 4am, exactly one month after lil Kyron’s dissapearance. I truly hope LE is on the right track and the family is holding strong.
That being said, why wouldn’t TH tell LE about this “situation” (whether she went through with it or not) if she was truly innocent of any crime relating to Kyron? Oh thats right, because she is not innocent of many things swirling around her right now. I’m sure she is staying in a state of denial to suit her needs and her end.
I’m absolutely flabbergasted that someone would be SO dumb to hire a hit man. Dumb, because its a sin to kill another, and dumb because at some point that person is going to be found out and the trail will lead back to the point person. Just dumb, IMVHO and totally not worth it. Talk about living in a fantasy world (or lala land of the foolish living)!!!!!!!
I may be completely off base, but I think that the landscaper is not the abductor. I’m still leaning in the direction of someone on Sauvie Island, a potential hitman/boyfriend who knew Kyron well enough to take him without difficulty. TH may have solicited the landscaper’s help in ridding herself of Kaine, but he most likely was not the only one she solicited. And these things take time to arrange. I do think that what happened on the day that Kyron disappeared did not go according to plan. Whoever did this, or knows who did, please summon whatever shred of conscience you may have and tell the police where Kyron is. This little shy boy did not deserve this, and his grieving mother does not deserve one more night of anguished wondering. Tell the truth–today.
@oneshot: gotcha
Does anyone know why child protective service’s were needed for TH’s parenting ( aboutJames & Kyron) skills in year’s past?
Terri has posted here? I missed that one. What did she say?
I have a combined family and the who sees who and where do the kids live when is so hard…especially when the kids are little. but one thing, right or wrong, I fought for my kids always and won. I think Kaine’s a bully. I think he bullied both of those women, although he met his match in Terri. But Terri, sure did plan this thing. She managed to get her other son out of the house so no harm would come to him. And just maybe, that’s what she was doing with Ky? I never did and still don’t get the why didn’t anyone call from school. I’ve got 5 kids…all schools call when they’re little. Why was Kaine home? Work? Ok? the talent show…nobody went to that? I really think she made up the picture with photoshop and I think that little boy never made it to school. I think Kaine knows A Lot more. I think somehow the extra marital affairs blew up in their faces…..This thing is a book and now I learn from you guys on this site that the inlaws were writers……Come on..peeps..give the boy back to his mother and get over yourselves….please! Kaine and Terri are gross.
RE: #27 question: Terri has been on probation since her DUI in 2005 – she was driving with James in her car at the time.
I’d like to add one thing about the landscaper. Blink made a notation at the beginning of this discussion forum that the school had a Garden and Habitat project going on at one time. That is where Terri could have met Landscaper and where Kyron could have become familiar with him.
On local news right now in Portland: a private investigator is stating that it is one of the strangest cases he’s ever seen in 30 yrs (CW Jensen). Source says that landscaper DID work at Horman home which is where Kyron could have become familiar with him also…comfortable enough to walk away with him at the science fair….
Was there ever any confirmation that TH called the school during the day to ask when the science projects needed to be removed?
Let me correct something: Source ONLY said “landscaper did some work at Horman home.” I added the other part.
DHS in years past was most likely due to the fact that she blew a bad DUI with a kid in the car. That’s reckless endangerment.
cuddlesmcgavin; she had a DUI in 2005 with 11yr old James in the car which resulted in a child endangerment charge in addition to the DUI arrest.
Ditto FLGirl & Minima again (you guys sure save me some posting time)
This just posted, sharing the link: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6648505n&tag=related;photovideo
Criminal profiler re: this new LS/TH twist. One caveat: it won’t cheer up those of us who think Kyron is still alive.
How can you possibly be 100% certain? Sorry, blinkoncrime.com has an editor that is a poly expert, among other things, so if you want me to post this as verified, you will need to be vetted.
Otherwise, it is a rumor.
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I said I was certain (my opinion) i didn’t call it as fact blink. I meant no offense…..oh well.
Thanks for the clarification, no offense taken, I am just pretty tight on anything presented as factual vs. opinion. Me Included.
B
D.A. says:
July 4, 2010 at 11:16 pm
Re: R.S. says: July 4, 2010 at 7:05 pm
I googled Villarreal Landscaping Portland Oregon – and wouldn’t you know it, there are some! Now wondering what this Avery Villarreal does for a living. Says on his myspace or facebook that he does have a job.
I don’t find anything doing that. I see someone with the same last name, different first name. But, he has over 15 years experience with design and is with a respected firm. The other is listed as being 28, so would have had under 13 years old. No link there as far as I can see.
The myspace page says his work is in the construction field.
I don’t feel police would’ve wired him up to talk to Terri about the MFH had they not polygraphed him & he passing it first & to me that lends him credibility on why we’ve heard so far.
I did not know what hardscaper meant either. Now, I wish that I did not look it up. Keeping Kyron in my prayers.