Kyron Horman Missing and Endangered: Kaine Horman Points A Finger Directly At Terri Horman
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“I believe respondent (Terri) is involved in the disappearance of my son Kyron who has been missing since June 4, 2010”
The grim words of Kaine Horman as they appeared in the restraining order filed against his estranged wife, Terri Moulton Horman, were unsealed yesterday.
It was the start of developments beginning to weave a portrait of Terri Horman, from the eyes of her husband and Kyron Horman’s biological Mother, Desiree Young.
“I thought the marriage was doing pretty well,” Kaine Horman said during a one-on-one interview with The Oregonian, “until we had our daughter, Kiara.”
Declining to elaborate, rumors of Terri Horman suffering from bouts of post partum depression following the birth of the couples 19 month old daughter have been swirling since the case began.
Yesterday’s press conference with Kyron’s parents, Kaine and Desiree left no doubt they believe Terri is involved with Kyron’s disappearance, and confirmed what has been reported exclusively on blinkoncrime.com previously:Terri Horman failed both polygraph tests administered during the investigation.
“I have known Terri a long time, and I know she is lying.” She went on to say she had her suspicions from the onset of the phone call she received alerting her that Kyron was missing.
Curiously, famed Portland attorney Stephen Houze, retained by Terri Horman June 28th, known for his Public*Relations*Prowess, would not comment on the divorce, custody, or criminal investigation involving his client.
Although Terri Horman had 5 days to respond to object to the restraining order which denies her any visitation with the couples daughter, there was no response filed on her behalf in family court.
It is this editors opinion that was a calculated move on her part NOT to have to answer to the allegations of Kaine’s petition which could then be used against her in a criminal proceeding.
Last evening, an amendment was filed to the restraining order to force Terri Horman from the marital residence, which was purchased in Kaine Horman’s name in December 2006.
Speaking to blinkoncrime.com on the condition of anonymity, sources inside the investigation have confirmed that the detectives sting on the grounds of the Horman home, where a landscaper believed to have been in a romantic relationship with Terri Horman requested $10,000 for an alleged murder for hire plot, may have impeded the investigation.
“The climate was one where their hand was forced. They had the guy saying one thing, and when they said “prove it”, they felt they would be arresting her on at least the solicitation charge.
Did it backfire? Uh, yes, in a way, because for one– nobody gets paid ten grand for killing a live guy.. For two, she did not flinch, and between the two of them at the time she called 911, she looked more credible. It was an uncomfortable situation for detectives to have to explain to the patrol.
I think they are desperate to resolve this case, but I do not think Terri will be the first to be arrested, I think the landscaper may be arrested tomorrow. They are going to need a pretty solid case to get him to flip if she was involved, which it looks clear that she was. Our prosecutors use a grand jury in lieu of a preliminary hearing almost, so I would bet that is going on behind the scenes..”
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What charges will they arrest the landscaper on?
That is unclear to me as the source pointed out, you can’t arrest the man for something LE put him up to.
However, we don’t know what else they have on him.
B
Also Blink, where can I hear the Dana Pretzer show from this past weekend?
http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/audio//20100707s.mp3
Klaasend usually does a youtube with just my interview extracted, which should be available later, I will make it a post, but above link will get you there, I think I start at around 45 minutes. If you have not followed Dana’s work he is a LEO and a phenominal interviewer.
B
Great article, Blink! Happy Friday to you and everyone here.
When they say she failed both LDTs, did she outright fail the first, or was it inconclusive? Do you know what area of questions she failed on? I heard somewhere that she stopped the 2nd LDT and didn’t finish. Do you know if that is true?
Apparently one of the Portland stations had a separate sit down with Kaine and Desiree after their press conference; I have seen some comments on that around the web and hope they put it up today.
I have always heard/believed that a half way decent prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich; so I generally don’t take indictments as proof of guilt. Do you know of any big thing they have that could lead to a solid indictment, not just the he said on the MFH? Why is the landscaper’s identity being withheld?
Thanks! Oh, and I really liked the podcast. You were great! I actually liked the presenter as well and will have to tune in again.
Ty, I am a big fan of Dana’s show. He is a tireless supporter of victims rights.
B
Thank you once again Blink. Like I have said before, the fact that Terri isn’t even denying anything, or fighting for Kiara tells me that she has something to hide and her attorney knows this. I wish she would realize that she is going to be backed into a corner and tell Desiree and Kaine the truth.
OMG. I just read this somewhere, then watched video at the bottom of this page. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/live_video_watch_the_kyron_hor.html
The first question is “where was baby K?” the morning of the 6/4 at the SF? Kaine’s answer is with Terri. WOW! This is something to think about.
Oops, sorry, the info about the Baby is in the first video, not the second.
During the sting – did LS ask TH for the $10k in exchange for going through with the dirty deed or did he ask for $$ to keep quiet about the alleged plot?
Kaine confirms Kiara was with Terri at the school the morning Kyron disappeared. Desiree said to Terri immediately after being notified Kyron was missing, “you better not have done something to Kyron”…..Desiree said she had a gut feeling Terri was involved with Kyron’s disappearance from her first conversation with her.
Good video of interview with Kaine and Desiree.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_hormans_father_recalls_w.html
man oh man………the hole just keeps getting deeper and deeper….where are you kyron?
“Part two is, we find Kyron, what are they gonna do, ship him off to our undisclosed location?” Horman said. “I mean, how homey is that gonna be for him when we find him?”
Interesting choice of words–THEY
Latest Oregonlive.com interview with Kaine. He’s talking about Terri moving out of the house and Kyron coming home to his own home instead of going to the undisclosed location where Kaine is now. I so want to believe this little boy is found alive. I’m praying for you Kyron!
Blink, Thanks to you and your team for keeping up on this. Poor little man, I hope he is found soon.
Blink,
When I was a young girl I remember going with my parents to a bus
stop restaurant and seeing this trinket on the wall titled Indian Prayer “Don’t speak badly of your neighbor until you have walked a mile in his moccasins”(something like that),
Anyway, I have read many posts here that really spoke poorly of the Kaine Horman. I don’t know of his relationship with Terri, but after
watching the news conference last night, it really changed my opinion of this man.
I thought his behavior during the first interview was a little strange, but I really have no idea how I would react if placed in their moccasins.
Also, I spent the 4th of July with my family at the Oregon coast and while there I asked my niece (who holds a pretty high management position at Intel) what people who work with Kaine are saying about the case. She responded that she did not know KH personally, but most seem to feel that TH is involved and one of the reasons for this assumption is that Kyron is so small and thin. Many feel that he appears malnourished. Just to small and thin for his age.
I agree with you that I would like to see everyone ease up on Kaine. Controlling or not, by all appearances, he seems to be a loving father. We need to remember our own foibles ( I personally have many- ask around) when we feel the need to judge others arbitrarily, or based solely on appearances.
In that regard as well, my Blink Jr is tall and lanky, I cannot feed him enough, some kids are just like that.
B
Hoping we have Kyron back soon. Bless this hurting family and all those posters who care, ponder and pray.
Again, ugh, Kaine bugs me. I’m sorry Dear Friends. He thought his marriage was going good until his daughter was born? A Beloved twitter friend of mine early this morn twitted, “Has Kaine just gave Terri a defense? Speaking to the fact Kaine yesterday confirmed Post Pardum Depression possibly effecting Terri, ugh! Then if it is true, and I believe there was some PPD, what did he do as her husband to address, ease and treat any issues arising from this illness?
Is it confirmed yet Kaine was having an affair during this marriage and Terri found out, thus her seeking this revengeful killing upon Kaine? We’ve already got overtones of lifestyle swinging, extra marital try it alls encompassing this marriage. As another commentor here mentioned yesterday, “Who knows what kinds of people, strangers or seedy dark side of evil type strangers this couple possibly brought into the lives and household of their children”?
This is basic life safety skills 101: You dont bring strangers up around your home, your kids and into your lives. Then to do it so intimately. Hello, isn’t that what we teach our children NOT to do? Yes, we constantly teach our kids warning them of potential stranger dangers.
For me at this point, its looking like Terri is guilty of several crimes. Looks like LE is hot on her trail. But I see and have since the beginning of this case, a “Kaine” who had a responsibility in this home, marriage and the lives of the children. If you notice a sickly spouse, especially mentally, you must take proactive measures to keep the kids safe til all potential dangers are resolved.
Hopefully this Landscaper does have more pertinent information concerning Kyron than we know about. Kaine is alive and well. Thank goodness the MFH plot never happened. Which begs the question, “Why not”? Then to now have Kyron gone. Are the two linked? Most are thinking yes. I still don’t know, but hopefully LE has true evidence and facts to corroborate their theories besides just the Landscapers statements for obvious reasons.
Terri if you’re reading here, and I believe its a great possibility being BLINKONCRIME is receiving national news coverage on this case which would point you to this site as we have learned you use the internet frequently as routine:
I plead Mother to Mother, having endured many great losses and hardships in my own personal life as I’m learning you have too, kindly ask if you do have any information concerning Kyrons whereabouts, to please make provisions to have this information released in anyway you choose so that proper steps for Kyron can occur, regardless of what has happened in the past. It’s a new day, a fresh aroma of hope is in the air, and time for hearts to begin healing. Our Lord says, “Truth shall set you free”. Physical freedom never trumps spiritual freedom. Imprisonment of the mind is far worse than in the physical realm. May this entire family find inner strength to face what needs to be done in the days to come bringing comfort.
It’s painfully hard to observe the tears and pain streaming off the cheeks of this family. It’s enduring to see the public embrace Kyron and his family with loving tenderness. May a softer love enter into the hearts of those who know where Kyron is and do what the Spirit of the Lord calls upon their souls to do.
She reads here.
If she does not do the right thing, which in my opinion her attorney has advised her will result in the loss of her liberties, she will leave her daughter with a legacy no child should be saddled with. She will leave the siblings of little Kyron with a hurt and hate that no child should ever know.
B
B
I live in Western Kentucky and have been following this story from June 4th. I don’t post much but I do read every one. I have been praying that Kyron would be brought back to his family safe…but I have a heavy heart this morning. I may be wrong but I don’t think Terri is suffering from PP depression. I think maybe after Kiara was born she didn’t want Kyron anymore and by hiring someone to kill Kaine Kyron would be sent back to his mom and she would be free, just her and Kiara. I guess none of us knows right now what is going on in that twisted mind of hers. It is such a tragic story and at this point I don’t feel as if it’s going to have a happy ending. God bless little Kyron and his family.
Sounds like from Kaine has said she was suffering from “post-partum depression.” I am not sure that any mother does not suffer some sort of depression after the birth of a child, and the work that must be done for that child, after the physical toll of childbirth and recuperation. In Terri’s case, the steriods she was taking before childbirth are probably part of her excuse also, since they would have been discontinued upon pregnancy.
But that is NO EXCUSE for planning murder, kidnapping, etc.
Every mother in the world goes through the post partum, and they don;t selfishly hire hit men, and possibly plan kidnapping and murder of an innocent child.
Why is LE tiptoeing around this nitwit, terri horman. Are they afraid of her atty? Get her in front of the grand jury, under oath, lock her into a story, and then lock her up in prison.
She can get a whole lot more depressed than she is now, shopping and going to the gym, and living free in someone else’s house, once she is behind bars.
BTW, i would venture to guess that the high*powered*attorney is keeping a low profile for a reason. He is probably about as popular for having info on Kyron and not revealing it, as, well, Joran Van der sloot’s Peru attorney. or any of Joran vander sloots attorneys.
In fact, Terri is starting to remind me ot Joran Vandersloot.
For Desiree to say she had suspicions since she received the first phone call means she knew something was going on with Terri. Where there is a normal, healthy relationship in place with a step-parent, one’s first response to such a situation wouldn’t be “she has done something to my child”. My guess would be little Kyron was filling his mom in on what was really going on in his father’s household. Does anyone else think that maybe Kyron overheard the alleged plot against his father and Terri believed he would repeat the information to Desiree or Kaine?
Did anyone close to her see the warning signs of PPD in Terri? Kiara is over a year old. Certainly someone could see a change in her personality and question it at some point. I know – hindsight is 20/20.
where is this poor child!!!!
Great piece B.
I guess I’m trying to understand what there is to gain in all of this? Why would a stepmom and possibly a LS take out a little boy? WTH?! It still makes no sense to me. Do the perps think they conducted the “perfect” crime? Do they think they will never get caught? What is the point of this crime? Aaargh.
What a heartbreaking press conference. I have to say that this is the first time I’ve seen nothing but genuine emotion from Kaine. Desiree is a beautiful example of class and strength.
Some things that stood out to me during the presser:
Kaine’s deflection of the question about Terri and Kyron’s relationship.
Desiree’s admission that she has (paraphrasing) held her tongue wrt Terri from the time custody began to be shared.
Desiree’s obvious lack of surprise at a question about the revelation that TH had attempted to hire a hitman, even as Kaine said that it was a surprise to him.
Blink, IF Terri is charged and arrested for kidnapping, what are the chances she’ll claim postpartum psychosis and receive a light punishment? Can that condition be used in an insanity defense in Oregon?
Also, and I know you probably can’t answer this, but I’ll try anyway: While your readers know your feelings about Kyron’s probable status, is there ANY information that suggests that Kyron is still alive? Both DY and Kaine seem so convinced that he is, and it would be so cruel for someone to be leading them on if it’s not possible.
Thanks for all you’re doing. Kyron, come home.
I posted early that if Houze did not come out swinging, claiming she is innocent, I believed they were contriving a mental defense, and that is what I think is going on.
I still say she does not know where Kyron is, ultimately.
B
I sure hope LE has more than a suspicion, without any direct proof, they won’t be able to charge her. Believing that she did it really doesn’t mean much.
I agree, I think Houze being quiet is telling. I am willing to bet this comes down to who he talks first…
B
Great article Blink!
Sorry if this has been previously posted, but this is the most candid and informative interview with Desiree & Kaine I’ve seen to date (thinking it was after the official Q&A session last night):
(click on video)
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_hormans_father_recalls_w.html
Two items of interest:
Baby was with Terri at the Science Fair
per Desiree, Terri claims she doesn’t remember what happened that morning after the science fair…yet Desiree says she remembers exactly everything she ate that day.
Doesn’t remember?
B
I’m still wondering if Terri and LS plotted to “kidnap” Kyron for ransom which was then to be used as payment to kill Kaine.
Perhaps the arrest of LS will have something to do with Kyron and not just the murder-for-hire plot.
They are tied together, imo.
Also, people keep asking why Terri would keep trying to enlist different landscapers. My first thought was that a LS would have access to dig/bury without raising an eyebrow.
I need to edit my previous post. In a CBS interview this am, Desiree talks about remembering that day vs. what Terri says she remembers…it was not in the interview I posted above. Sorry!
So, if the landscaper is involved in Kyron’s disappearance,
did Terri pay him? Do you think the LS has confessed to
LE about what happened to Kyron?
No. I think he said he had no info on Kyron.
B
Also, Houze’s PR prowess is just keeping TH from talking. Anyone could have told her to do that. I thought good defense attorney’s help solve the case? Or is that just wishful thinking? This is just bad.
“I posted early that if Houze did not come out swinging, claiming she is innocent, I believed they were contriving a mental defense, and that is what I think is going on.
I still say she does not know where Kyron is, ultimately.
B”
I agree that she does not know where Kyron is…I think that b/c when Kaine and Deseree were answering questions yesterday and a reporter asked them (paraphrasing) what do you want Terri to tell the truth about? Deseree said (paraphrasing again) whatever the truth is, whatever she knows.
I think if they thought she knew where Kyron was they would be saying “TELL US WHERE OUR SON IS!!!!” Not, please cooperate and tell the truth. just my opinion
btw- just listened to your interview blink! So nice to have a voice to put with the Bold Type!
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Sue, I am willing to bet that in hindsight, Kaine sees a lot of the effects of the PPD or whatever mental condition she has. If he’s anything like many engineers I know, though, he works a lot of hours and is able to compartmentalize easily, probably subconsciously overlooking a lot of behaviors that less-analytical people would pick up on and confront.
I am wondering why LE has chosen DY to be the voice of the group in terms of talking directly to Terri. Yes, TH allegedly put out a hit on Kaine, but that does not smack of indifference to the man; rather, it indicates that she is still emotionally attached to him. Would an address from HIM through the media directly to Terri make sense? You don’t engage in anger and revenge when you have ceased to care about someone. If Kaine can make Terri think he still cares about her, too, could that get her to talk?
I thought it was her from the beginning. If you go to Blinks article a while back on “Teri arrest” Just look at the pic… She is looking up at DY like she was enjoying it. Like she was getting off on the pain and couldn’t stop herself from watching her. I bet DY wanted to beat her when she hugged her…
couple more things: I was looking at the list of landscapers in Beaverton Ore. and one of them had an ad: “let us do your dirty work for you.” this is true.
Also on another site they have taken to calling TH Terrible Moulten Hormone. If she was on male hormones for body building, then the surge of estrogen and progesterone for pregnancy, then the drop in estrogen and progesterone post-partum, then possibly back to the male hormones, on top of what looks to me like menopause, (she is not exactly a spring chicken,) she could have some moodswings. But that is no excuse for murder/kidnapping plots.
If only the police had let LS just call TH and record that, it may have been more productive. Or at least not send a second party (the detective), any criminal like TH would know not to reveal incriminating evidence in front of a previously unknown to them third party.
The fact that they sent an undercover detective, whose presence, I believe, blew the sting, tells me that the LS may already be in custody, and they could not let him go alone. Perhaps they thought he would kill TH if her plots and lies have gotten him locked up.
If they have a confession from LS, who “may be arrested today” and obviously not for killing KH, then LE may actually know the whereabouts of little precious Ky, just a theory, but how could they not know? Did LS sell him? that would be the only reason these two freaks, TH and LS may not know his current location. Otherwise, is he shunted off to one of her previous husbands, the HIV positive drug using first husband? or the missing and whereabouts unknown 2nd husband. Or possibly he is with the 4th husband to be?
On the east coast we have a word for women like that, it is called: trollop, and there are worse words for the same behavior, but I shall refrain.
Everything I have seen about Kyron is the embodiment of angelic presciousness.
Come home Baby KY, come home on a wave of love from across the nation. Everybody here is talking about you and wants you home.
Terri knew her house was bugged, would not have worked.
B
Hi, everyone. What I find to be very worrisome about this, look at how long the Haleigh Cummings case has gone on with no arrest, simply because all the players involved will not talk and tell what happened to her. I am very concerned that may happen in this case. It is amazing to me how someone can harm a child and remain tight lipped about it while others beg them to tell what happened. Talk about true monsters in this world.
I just want to thank you Blink for your hard work and what I learn from so many of you who post here.
I continue to pray for precious Kyron, his family, and all who love him.
This is a complete tragedy. I am not forgetting that our dear Kyron is the ultimate victim of this horrible case. BUT–I have to say this because my own father struggled with mental health issues (depression, paranoia, addictions) and I watched him morph from a relatively good father and loving person into a conniving, apathetic, violent monster.
Do not discount the effect of post partum depression on a person’s ability to cope with the world around her. We are all one chemical cocktail away from become “monsters” ourselves. Don’t think for a second it can’t have happened here or for that matter, that it can’t happen to you.
I don’t know what happened here and a mental condition DOES NOT EXCUSE HER BEHAVIOR. But if Houze can move her toward a treatment of whatever mental disorder he is going to claim in her defense (and that is really going to be her best defense from what I can tell) then perhaps on some good meds she will be able to re-enter the mental state necessary to bring Kyron home. Assuming of course, she once had a decent mental state, which I believe she did. In fact, I am probably going to take some heat for this, but I might even buy a mental health defense. Her life sure seems to have taken a bizarre twist since her child was born. And post partum depression is supposed to get worse with each birth. Which is why we need to be aware of it and treat it immediately. It is hard for the person afflicted with a mental illness to seek treatment. I believe there is a small window of time where the person feels the shift and contemplates getting help. When that window shuts, it up to others to foreceably reel the afflicted person back in.
I’ve got to stop here b/c I don’t want to sound like I am making excuses for TH. I do think we have a responsibility when we feel ourselves slipping, to seek help. That said, I think it is incredibly hard to do and I don’t know that I would have the strength and humility and smarts to recognize my own decline and put an end to it by seeking help–especially if it means giving up the life I’ve created and worked for. I don’t know. I hope I never have to find out.
Bring Kyron home. Please let it be today.
I will not be giving you heat. I am one that supported the death penalty for Andrea Yates until I learned how deeply and critically ill she was, and that her husband’s last ditch efforts to get her help went unanswered by a physician. I can never say what she did was not her fault, but I do believe she believed the intention of what she was doing. I was asked to participate in some analysis in her case in a bid for a new trial, I deferred after 8 hours of case study. I am not hard wired to differentiate the suffering of an innocent child and formation of criminal intent. I mention this because your point is well taken that proper psychiatric care could help her to a place of acknowledgement and empathy for Kyron.
Personally, I would hope that her attorney is advising her to seek a residential program, maybe if our reader CAT sees this she can weigh in, I think this may be her area.
What I really want is to underscore we are all one chemical cocktail away from being a monster-
Untreated or self-treated mental issues can be grossly exacerbated by many things, and people can become masterful at adapting in public, and breaking down privately.
If Kyron is located before this takes place, and he is deceased, I honestly fear for a few people in this situation. I would ask that everyone spend a second today sending some love and support thoughts to this family.
B
God this post partum talk was so predictable. She can go to hell. Disgusting and telling that she hasn’t fought the restraining order to see her daughter let along not cooperating to bring Kyron home. obviously she cares more about saving her own ass than seeing her own flesh n blood. Maybe she thinks somehow she’s going to get out of this- the answer is ‘hell no’. I hope her circle gets smaller ie. her parents and friends leave her, notice no one is speaking publicly on her behalf.
Just arrest her on something, find who is involved and start arresting, and lets bring this little guy home, and then after that let’s expediate her journey to hell. Evil woman.
I would request that although you feel harshly toward her, as do I, the goal is to get Kyron home.
Discussing what could help treat her to effect that end, is very relevant.
I have never known any suspect to scream out a confession because the villagers (courtesy lizzy) are storming the castle with wielding torches. I have however, known them to pull up the drawbridge before they got there. We are attempting to avoid that. My focus is on Kyron, however that happens.
B
@SadieBlue- If she gets off on people begging her, if it’s a power trip for her, if the attention is desirable to her, then why would she do anything to stop it?
My new hobby is to read Blinkoncrime.com while eating blocks of cheese the size of car batteries.
Castanza?
May wanna start out slow, can be binding.
B
@KOOL LOOK & B: Beautiful post. I believe the truth will eventually come out, even if it takes 20 years (hopefully not that long). In the meantime, TH may have her physical freedom, but I doubt very much that her conscience will allow her any measure of peace. She will be a prisoner of her own conscience until the day she is arrested.
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JEN said: “Blink, IF Terri is charged and arrested for kidnapping, what are the chances she’ll claim postpartum psychosis and receive a light punishment? Can that condition be used in an insanity defense in Oregon?”
Actually, without any forensic evidence, that may be the only way LE can get a confession out of her – if she is promised a reduced sentence.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38154100/ns/us_news/
Ginger thanks to the link to that video….FINALLY the answer to the question we’ve all been asking…”where the heck was baby Kiara?” So if she was with Terri at the school, then does anyone else feel that puts a real hit into the statement of Kyron’s desk mate? I believe he said he saw Terri leave “alone”…but she wasn’t alone. Perhaps just an oversight on his part I guess, but kinda seems coached…I would think a 10 year old would say, she left with Kyrons little sister, unless someone said, “make sure you tell them Terri left without Kyron” then maybe he would say “alone” not thinking about the baby…hmmmm…
That video is the saddest one yet, they are talking so candidly. I think Kaine seems much more relaxed during this interview, I think the odd behavior in previous interviews is probably just nerves from being in front of a dozen cameras
per Desiree, Terri claims she doesn’t remember what happened that morning after the science fair…yet Desiree says she remembers exactly everything she ate that day.
Doesn’t remember?
B
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here is the quote from CBS article:
Young says she doesn’t think it’s possible she and Kaine could be wrong about the suspicions they harbor. “You don’t fail a polygraph twice if you’re not guilty,” she asserts. “I can tell you what I ate that day and she can’t tell you where she was.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/07/09/earlyshow/main6661166.shtml
ok, thanks so she is not quoted as “not remembering”. If that were true I would be shocked that they did the first press conf with her in the first place.
B
Blink,
OK-your response to me was that the LS says he does NOT know where Kyron
is. You also said that Terri does NOT know where Kyron is.. So,
WHO knows where he is?????
Thank you!!
Correct. I did not say I believed LS
B
So Kiara was with Terri all day? Are there any witnesses of Kiara at the school? I didn’t think there was enough time in the timeline between Kaine leaving the house at around 7:45 while Kyron is feeding Bootsie and the kids and Terri were not even loaded up ready to go – get Kiara loaded up driven to daycare and settled there – and then get back in the car and be at Skyline by 8:15. So if Kiara was not spotted at the fair then was she left at home by herself for 30 minutes or longer? Was she left in her seat in the truck for 30 minutes? Could these possibly speak to child endangerment? Cell phone pings point to Terri not going directly home – where did she go (with Kiara in the truck or Kiara at home alone)?
There have to be security cameras capturing the truck that morning – plus you can’t leave a baby strapped in a car seat for hours with taking a break, grabbing a snack, changing diapers, etc. so there has to be video and cell phone ping information that gives at least a skeleton outline of where they were.
If Kiara was in tow – Kyron was taken by someone directly from the school – with the whole thing set up by Terri to make Kyron feel comfortable to go with someone – or Terri took Kyron to a secluded meet up spot with someone else also with Terri facilitating the comfort of Kyron to be with this person. Either way Terri then went on her way – possibly stopping in places conveniently giving her an alibi and then headed home. She called the school with the pretense of picking up the project – hoping to gain information about whether the alarm that Kyron wasn’t at school had been raised yet.
I’d love to know what’s going through her mind while trailing Kaine and Kiara down the driveway – all the while knowing that panic time was about to begin and she was going to have to put on the performance of a lifetime for a while.
I am not convinced Kiara was there that day whatsoever. I believe Kaine thinks she was, but I have serious doubts she was. Not one person says Kyron’s Mom and Kiara were in the hall, blah blah.
BOC contributor Jason Mateos has been ripping his hair out swearing her location will lead to the bad guy- and I agree.
Anyone else notice the questionaire only asked if they saw Terri??
B
susan said: “Also on another site they have taken to calling TH Terrible Moulten Hormone. If she was on male hormones for body building, then the surge of estrogen and progesterone for pregnancy, then the drop in estrogen and progesterone post-partum, then possibly back to the male hormones, on top of what looks to me like menopause, (she is not exactly a spring chicken,) she could have some moodswings. But that is no excuse for murder/kidnapping plots.”
I agree, Susan. All of that may have factored in, but I suspect there was an underlying personality disorder which, when triggered by those factors, produced hostility/delusional thinking/violent tendencies.
Hey Blink! its been awhile since i commented! Hope all is well with you and the blinkettes.
This story hits too close to home for me. I live in the same town as Desiree (sp?) and my future BIL as well as other oddly connected family, and friends are LE and Detectives here and know Tony personally. We all go camping together, and we have big family wiffle ball games, last year Kyron was there playing with us, Sure wish he was now
I have a bad feeling about how this will end, breaks my heart.
Unfortunately, PPD abuse and neglect cases often do not have good outcomes, if in fact this is a genuine PPD case. Obviously, the alleged chemical imbalance did not result in harm to Kiara.
Again, good point. I am more inclined to think there are a bunch of things going on with her faculties, but I am not a professional.
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I’ve looked everywhere for a link about Kyron’s glasses being mailed to the home and I can’t find it anywhere. Does anyone have it? I’ve seen several people ask the same question but I have not found any answers. Thanks so much!
Cathy
You won’t. It was my supposition that this case started ransomesque, and that the glasses of Kyron’s were delivered with some sort of note.
SadieBlue said: “It is amazing to me how someone can harm a child and remain tight lipped about it while others beg them to tell what happened. Talk about true monsters in this world.”
TH is obviously in denial and has built a wall around herself. Twinkletoes has expressed it very well.
I read here all the time, have been on Scared Monkeys for quite a while. And wanted to say thank-you for the comment and your comment number 34. I believe people don’t take mental illness as seriously as other illnesses, especially when it comes to a family member. I guess it is the, oh well, she/he will get better, and I don’t want to embarrass the family by getting help for myself or family member. This is a topic that I know quite well, may not know the answers or have expertise on a lot of the things discussed here, but I have life experiences on this, and I can only go on what I have and other family members have experienced. Thank-you again and especially what you said Blink.
(What I really want is to underscore we are all one chemical cocktail away from being a monster-
Untreated or self-treated mental issues can be grossly exacerbated by many things, and people can become masterful at adapting in public, and breaking down privately.)
Blink–Thanks so much for the info on Dana Pretzer’s show. There are no other trustworthy sources on this, mostly just internet gossip and very hurtful statements with no evidence.
Do you think there’s any chance that Terri arranged for Kyron to be taken by one of those underground networks who hide children at the request of one parent accusing the other of abuse? While these networks have done good, sometimes I felt they took the word of a person in the middle of a bad divorce which might not have been the truth. I’ve heard they will hide a child for years. There was a woman in Atlanta, Faye Yeager, who operated one of these networks some years ago, but I don’t even know if these networks are still operable. I thought of this when Kaine mentioned “Safe house” in the Pess conference yesterday but he could have been speaking of the location he and kiara are now staying.
Thanks.
In the last video it seems to me that Kaine is nervous about what questions will be asked. The way SM looks at Kaine when he speaks kind of seems as if she still questions him and is curious as to how he will answer the questions he is being asked. Something is just not right with him. I am sorry. Bm is comfortable with speaking where I find Kaine is not. I really believe he is terrified of what will come out after all is said and done. Maybe I am being critical, but when asked if he will be at the vigil, he says he will try to be almost as if he is scared to say yes or no. If he can’t give a good account for what type of relationship Kyron had with SM, then what does that say.
So, it is confirmed that the baby was with the stepmom to drop off Kyron