Kyron Horman Missing and Endangered: Kaine Horman Points A Finger Directly At Terri Horman
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“I believe respondent (Terri) is involved in the disappearance of my son Kyron who has been missing since June 4, 2010”
The grim words of Kaine Horman as they appeared in the restraining order filed against his estranged wife, Terri Moulton Horman, were unsealed yesterday.
It was the start of developments beginning to weave a portrait of Terri Horman, from the eyes of her husband and Kyron Horman’s biological Mother, Desiree Young.
“I thought the marriage was doing pretty well,” Kaine Horman said during a one-on-one interview with The Oregonian, “until we had our daughter, Kiara.”
Declining to elaborate, rumors of Terri Horman suffering from bouts of post partum depression following the birth of the couples 19 month old daughter have been swirling since the case began.
Yesterday’s press conference with Kyron’s parents, Kaine and Desiree left no doubt they believe Terri is involved with Kyron’s disappearance, and confirmed what has been reported exclusively on blinkoncrime.com previously:Terri Horman failed both polygraph tests administered during the investigation.
“I have known Terri a long time, and I know she is lying.” She went on to say she had her suspicions from the onset of the phone call she received alerting her that Kyron was missing.
Curiously, famed Portland attorney Stephen Houze, retained by Terri Horman June 28th, known for his Public*Relations*Prowess, would not comment on the divorce, custody, or criminal investigation involving his client.
Although Terri Horman had 5 days to respond to object to the restraining order which denies her any visitation with the couples daughter, there was no response filed on her behalf in family court.
It is this editors opinion that was a calculated move on her part NOT to have to answer to the allegations of Kaine’s petition which could then be used against her in a criminal proceeding.
Last evening, an amendment was filed to the restraining order to force Terri Horman from the marital residence, which was purchased in Kaine Horman’s name in December 2006.
Speaking to blinkoncrime.com on the condition of anonymity, sources inside the investigation have confirmed that the detectives sting on the grounds of the Horman home, where a landscaper believed to have been in a romantic relationship with Terri Horman requested $10,000 for an alleged murder for hire plot, may have impeded the investigation.
“The climate was one where their hand was forced. They had the guy saying one thing, and when they said “prove it”, they felt they would be arresting her on at least the solicitation charge.
Did it backfire? Uh, yes, in a way, because for one– nobody gets paid ten grand for killing a live guy.. For two, she did not flinch, and between the two of them at the time she called 911, she looked more credible. It was an uncomfortable situation for detectives to have to explain to the patrol.
I think they are desperate to resolve this case, but I do not think Terri will be the first to be arrested, I think the landscaper may be arrested tomorrow. They are going to need a pretty solid case to get him to flip if she was involved, which it looks clear that she was. Our prosecutors use a grand jury in lieu of a preliminary hearing almost, so I would bet that is going on behind the scenes..”
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I agree Blink, I noticed that Kyron looked skinny too, but my 7 year old, a month older than Kyron, grows like a weed and can’t keep his baby fat on, at times he looks like a string bean! I am also sure that Tony and Desiree would of noticed that. The post partum is something I have thought of, along with anti-depressant med. sudden weight gain. I still just don’t get it…so sad! Love to him and his family!
pamomma said: “FINALLY the answer to the question we’ve all been asking…”where the heck was baby Kiara?” So if she was with Terri at the school, then does anyone else feel that puts a real hit into the statement of Kyron’s desk mate? I believe he said he saw Terri leave “alone”…but she wasn’t alone.”
Could be that TH left baby in car during science fair? In which case, that would constitute child neglect. Maybe one reason why LE allowed KH emergency custody of Kiara, because threat to her is very real even if indirect?
I’m just gonna put this out there.
I have one biological child, age 8. Immediately after his birth I began to feel my hormones spiral out of control. I did not want to leave the hospital; I had no idea what to do with a newborn, and I begged the postpartum nurses to let me stay there with them. To make a long story short, one day, when my husband was at work, I was attempting to comfort my screaming infant and thought exactly this: “I could just leave him here with a note and go away. His dad will find him when he returns home, and they will both be better off without me here. They will find someone who can be a proper mother and wife.” Later that day, I had this thought: “It’s not too late to give this baby up for adoption. People will understand that I am not cut out for this.”
The thing is, I TRULY BELIEVED those things and saw nothing wrong with them.
I am one of the fortunate ones: I shared these thoughts with my husband, who immediately called my physician. From there, I got the medical help I needed. I, like Blink and others, am not attempting to exonerate anyone from criminal activity, because clearly, most women who suffer from PPD do not progress to the point of someone like Andrea Yates, but I do believe that moving beyond the stigma associated with PPD and establishing a positive dialogue about recovery from such conditions is vital.
Prayers for everyone involved in this case.
B, said:
I will not be giving you heat. I am one that supported the death penalty for Andrea Yates until I learned how deeply and critically ill she was, and that her husband’s last ditch efforts to get her help went unanswered by a physician. I can never say what she did was not her fault, but I do believe she believed the intention of what she was doing.
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That is exactly where I arrived as well in that case. There are so many of these child abuse and child murder cases that are preventable if we just make child welfare a priority. Under that umbrella, is the mental health of caretakers.
People in my state, Virginia, get arrested for leaving a child in a car unattended. That is child abuse, endangerment, and possible death if the windows are rolled up, and the temperature is high enough, not to mention, if the windows are open, kidnapping is invited.
Having had one child endangerment rap with her older child, wouldn;t she know this by now?
I am not sure she was at the school at all that morning, Nor Kyron, no matter what the Tanner boy says. More people would have seen her.
For the life of me, I cannot understand why an investigative, fact finding grand jury has not called Terri to testify under oath. Admittedly she could take the fifth, but only on questions where she might incriminate herself. I believe this fantasy that she doesn;t have to be accountable to LE or anyone because she hired an attorney, is just wrong.
Do they not have fact finding grand juries in this state/county?
They do, sitting and convened. It’s in the piece
B
People in my state, Virginia, get arrested for leaving a child in a car unattended. That is child abuse, endangerment, and possible death if the windows are rolled up, and the temperature is high enough, not to mention, if the windows are open, kidnapping is invited.
Having had one child endangerment rap with her older child, wouldn;t she know this by now?
I am not sure she was at the school at all that morning, Nor Kyron, no matter what the Tanner boy says. More people would have seen her.
For the life of me, I cannot understand why an investigative, fact finding grand jury has not called Terri to testify under oath. Admittedly she could take the fifth, but only on questions where she might incriminate herself. I believe this fantasy that she doesn;t have to be accountable to LE or anyone because she hired an attorney, is just wrong.
Do they not have fact finding grand juries in this state/county?
If she does not do the right thing, which in my opinion her attorney has advised her will result in the loss of her liberties, she will leave her daughter with a legacy no child should be saddled with. She will leave the siblings of little Kyron with a hurt and hate that no child should ever know.
B
Blink,
Are you saying that Terri’s attorney has advised her NOT do the right thing?
Although, as her attorney he would want to do the best for her, it seems
he would want to do the best for a little boy also. If he knows Kyron is alive
somewhere would he tell LE?.
If Terri gives her attorney information that could help find Kyron, would the attorney
tell LE??? If he had a conscious, he would, right?
Houze has one job. Terri Horman and the zealous representation of her under the Supreme Court of Oregon.
B
Kaine says he noticed changes after the baby’s birth. Well, I am not making excuses for him here, but I think we all change after the birth of a baby. Maybe he thought it was normal at the time. We as outsiders can see the outward changes progressing in her pictures on the Internet. It looks obvious to us. If there were other conditions, not diagnosed at the time, that were exacerbated by the PPD and perhaps a rift in the marriage, then it probably would only be known by the family. She could have put up a front for the world. I would think Kaine would have seen something in TH’s relationship with Kyron. There had to be signs, but Kyron, not Kiara, probably saw them. And was harmed by them.
I don’t want to give her a pass or a deal on this, mental defense or otherwise, but if it would bring that little boy home I guess I could see it. I don’t think appealling to her conscience or guilt will help, as she has already shown she can compartmentalize her feelings. If taking her own beloved (as shown in FB photos) daughter hasn’t done it, she is too far gone. Is she mentally ill? I think so. Is it the PPD/menopause? Probably. I think it is way more than that, and I am no doctor. Is it a defense? Not to me. I think a great many women deal with these issues together or separately and they don’t even kick the dog, let alone eliminate their families.
FWIW, I can’t believe she had the baby with her on June 4 at the science fair. Just guessing, because if she took a picture of Kyron at the fair by his project, I have to think there would be 1 of that cute little girl, too. A nice photo-op for the FB, if you will.
Blink, you said Terri reads here. It is my hope that she reads this:
ADVICE TO TERRI MOULTON HORMAN (and to the suffering),
Find your center, that one that helped you to move through the pain of training, of competitions, of pulling yourself up from the ashes and making a better life for yourself. You know where it is. You’ve been there before. Find that center in spite of this storm and cling to that center for dear life. None of that which is done can be undone. That which is untrue cannot be made true. All that remains is this “now”. You will only regain peace when you find that center. You can only give peace when you find that center. When you move forward, move from that center. When you speak, speak from that center. When you think, think from that center. You will start to move through this when you find your center.
Namaste. Namaste. Namaste.
In an interview with Willamette Week given last night Kaine confirmed that Terri suffered from post-partum depression and was on medication.
Quotes from the interview:
“She went through some pretty bad post-partum as a result of the pregnancy. She was on medication from the doctor,”
“It wasn’t anything that was overly violent in nature,” Horman said. “It was just really erratic types of swings, from being very emotional to suddenly being very frustrated.”
“I was just supposed to watch her closely for a six-month period, which I did do,” he said. “And after the six months, things seemed to be OK.”
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/08/kaine-horman-kyrons-stepmom-suffered-post-partum-depression/
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Having been the victim of a mother suffering from post-partum depression (she tried to kill me and eventually ended up hospitalizes) I really wish it was taken more seriously in our society. Perhaps if it were the moms would get the help they need and there would be fewer stories like this.
Poor kid…
35.kelli says:
July 9, 2010 at 10:03 am
I agree she can go to hell! First of all her manipulitive conniving behaviors started way prior to her pregnancy. In fact, how can any one here claim some kind of crazy rage at Kaine for cheating when by accounts they were swingers so some possesive jealous rage just doesnt make sense AND TERRI WAS CHEATING WITH KAINE WHEN KAINE AND DERIREE WERE STILL TOGETHER AND MARRIED. Uh hello most woman know if he does it with ya he’ll do it to ya. SECOND if she was indeed suffereing PPD would KIARA not be the most likely target?? And im not saying she didnt have PPD im just saying it doesnt have anything to do with Kyron missing. IMO this is an evil premeditated plan of a narcissist. And for anyperson who has ever made a derogatory statement about Kaine while he is going through this tragedy SHAME ON YOU
Chillax.
All that angst, and I don’t disagree is warranted, is not going to bring Kyron back. If his own parents can maintain their composure, shouldn’t we?
B
B,
Have you seen this news story?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38151129/ns/us_news/
It didn’t take long for LE to see through the lies of this father and find the body of his little boy. So sad.
I sincerely hope the outcome for Kyron will be different.
Anti Depressants are correlated with inter-family murder.
Blink,
So your contributor feels that the answers lie with the person who was watching Kiara on June 4? I can’t see Terri leaving her with just anyone. Hmmm, possibly a best friend that has spoken out on Terri’s behalf, perhaps?
I do not want to become TH’s defender here, because I don’t condone any of what she has allegedly done. But we need to be able to rationally discuss these issues to prevent them in the future. It is too easy to just write a person off as evil. What–are we in the middle ages? Are evil spirits inhabiting her and perhaps they will be released with a good bleeding? There is more evidence of mental illness in this world than there is of *pure evil*. I don’t know what evil is if it isn’t the manifestation of severe mental illness.
Okay, I have to get back to the day job now.
Namaste to us all. Bring this child home.
Good point blink
sometimes it’s hard to see beyond our anger! Mrs c hop not to worry dear justice will prevail. I too thought that it was terrible that desiree did not deserve to be betrayed by her husband and friend. Desiree was away tending to serious medical issues. I say how can kain even think of sleeping with someone else knowing his wife was very ill. terry seized the opportunity to take kain away from desiree. Not that she won the grand prize but also!!! he bears alot of responsibility for where he is now. I dont see him as being the role model husband. Desiree is gorgeous and has carried herself very well.
but lets not get too bitter that we cant see the forrest for the trees. and remember that what we do on earth echoes into eternity.
justice will prevail.
Is Terri Horman mentally ill? Of course she is. A person would have to be suffering from sort of mental illness to harm a child. This is especially true if the person is responsible for a child’s disappearance.
Is post-partum depression to blame? Doubtful. I have dealt with serious depression most of my life – my own depression, and the depression of various members of my family. Depression is experienced in many different ways, but it is most times a feeling that is turned inward – towards the self. A depressed person is much more likely to cause physical harm to themselves than cause physical harm to others. Yes, there are exceptions – but by and large if a depressed person was trying to resolve an issue via physical violence, they would harm themselves for either for attention or to alleviate suffering.
In our armchair analysis of Terri, it would be wise not to confuse depression with psychosis or personality disorders. These are VERY different things. Terri’s behavior clearly points to someone who is delusional, pathological, antisocial, histrionic, narcissistic and frankly – kind of a b*tch.
In my experience with people suffering from depression, they just don’t have the mental energy to contrive any sort of murder for hire scenario – let alone attempt to carry it out. A depressed person does not “hit the gym.” So many daily activities such as getting out of bed, taking a shower, getting dressed – are just exhausting to a depressed person. A person suffering from post-partum depression could never find the energy to care for two children, volunteer at school, work-out at the gym, maintain a social life, and plot a couple of murders. Just typing it all out makes me tired.
Terri is not a person who appears to lack energy. Yes, she looked like hell at both press conferences. But in any photo of her in the days prior to Kyron’s disappearance – she looks pretty good. She is slender and well maintained – which are not words you used to describe someone who is depressed – post partum or otherwise.
Depressed? No. Bat sh*t crazy? Yes!
? OH I am chilling ..yup B we totally should and i think we should also refrain from suspicions and accusations when one can not back them up with any one single statement/reason/action/ whatever. Sorry buts its been driving me crazy seeing people post how he ‘looks’ like or reminds them of an abuser. Geez thats like slander, and at a pretty oppertune time for Terri too. I do hope she reads here and my post was mostly for her, i just hope she knows people see through her bullchit.
I have moderated that appropriately, are you reading others comments?
Let’s move on
B
well twinkle im not married to that one descriptor in my post so we can call it whatever you want evil,crazy,ppd,mental,stupid,b*tch whatever i’ll just call it guilty
my point is she is actively lying and covering her tracks. She had enough mental wherewithall (sp) to TRY to act appropriately upset and distraught like the bio parents and lie to investigators.
and im also confused why your all thinking im all angsdt and angry and bitter? maybe my bluntness is reading as anger? really not sure LOL but promise im cool ..well as cool as can be when discussing missing and murdered children but whatev..
Since Kyron disappeared I have had the opportunity to observe the behaviors of mothers and fathers, teachers, principals and myself in a public school setting. It was a combination of 3 schools pulled into one school for summer school. Because of Kyron I was able to observe behaviors, my own included, that I previously would have not payed attention to. I would say the majority of parents did not witness their child entering directly into the classroom. Not to make it right or wrong, it just is.
One of the thing that I made a conscience effort to observe and that would pertain to this case, is I tried to pick one parent and child and keep them in my view, from the door to their car. With my kids, talking to teachers, interruptions from other parents and children and cars. I was unable to accomplish this task except one time. That one time was because I was walking the children to their dads vehicle to talk to him. If some one came to me two weeks later and asked what day that was, I would not be able to tell them what day that was.
I stood at the entrance and watched a child walk down the entire length of the hall without being observed by another adult. I walked to my daughters class, and witnessed her teacher with her foot in the door wrapped around with her head in the other class talking to another teacher, i was able to go in get my daughters class put her belongings away sit her down and leave without the teacher ever observing me.
My son, showing his independence from his mommy wanted to walk to the class by himself. I stood watching him, when he was about 4 ft in front of the door, my attention was adverted by another child and i didn’t witness him going into his class. I went and took a look, however I would not have done so, had Kyron not disappeared. There would be no reason to assume he didn’t get to class, that in that amount of time he could of disappeared.
Finally, One time I dropped them off at the front door (that’s what they prefer) as I was also trying to navigate the flow of traffic I drove away and questioned if I visually saw them enter the school later I thought of calling the school, but then talked myself out of it that I was being paranoid because of the case, and I didn’t have the gift of fear. However, if one of them didn’t make it to class then I would not have known until I went to pick them up. And I would have been the last to have seen them.
I do not apologize for waiting on more evidence until I believe Terri did something to Kyron. I KNOW that anyone of us could be in the same situation of being the last one to see our children.
And I could not imagine if innocent, the perp then came to my door stating that I was the mastermind behind it all.
Also Blink, I now believe that the call or e-mail to the school was Terri having the gift of fear and following up on that fear vs. ignoring it.
I agree that Kitty probably was not with her Momma and brother at the school.
IMO The picture tells the story. Anyone who has ever had an 18 mnth old baby knows that They need constant supervision.
She was not in the picture with her big brother.
She was not distracting him (His eyes and smile in the pic are on the person taking the photo).
Another photo was not taken with both Kitty and her brother standing in front of his project. Anyone with more than one child knows that having pictures with just one child gets harder and harder to take.
She is not in the background of the picture.
She is not remembered to have been there- People would have remembered a baby being told be sure not to touch any of the projects-
And they would remember Terri trying to hold the baby and get the perfect picture that she did of Kyron infront of the project. While keeping baby hands and attention away from the camera.
There is a chance that Kitty was asleep and Terri was holding her, or she is a very well behaved sister that let Momma take the pic unbothered- but NO ONE seems to remember Kitty there.
When I first looked at the pic of little Kyron in front of his project- I enlarged it and tried to see the reflection in his glasses- of who took the pic- I was unable to tell. I hope LE has thought of this and tried themselves- it may answer some questions for them.
Praying for Kyron and his family-
18.Midwest Mom says:
July 9, 2010 at 12:24 pm
i agree with your assesment of the school, my daughter preschool class requires we leave the kids at the front door and not walk with them to class which drove me caaarrraaazzzy because i just dont think they can keep a good eye on all of those kids with one teacher and one aide as they should. But then again its been reported skyline is very small and rural so who knows. But what do you make of her 2 failed poly’s? the lies to investigators? and the abscense of information from her to le and family on what she did that day?
Blink, Just thought of a good question for your poly expert, If she did have fear, or gut feeling that day. Would it show up on the poly as deception? Would that fear show up as deception without really knowing where the fear was originating from but knowing that it was there? I’m I making any sense?
The examiner ( as my resident poly is on assignment, this is a fairly standard question I can answer..)
The polygrapher, who is quite trained, will establish a baseline comparative to known to be true responses and known to be false, or deceptive responses. There are actually built in failsafes for meds, etc, in that the baseline establishes that for both responses ( theory- there is no med that can influence only one side of the spectrum).
Remember, she failed 2. Lots of parents missing their kids are obviously afraid, guilt ridden, emotional, etc, they do not fail in general.
B
17.louise gato says:
July 9, 2010 at 12:10 pm
loved you post thanks for explaining that way better!
Does anyone know the circumstance of Terris childhood adoption? What age was she when she was put up for adoption? Were there older sibling that also were involved or the history of her biologial parents/MOM?
Thank you Blink for this latest update.
“I thought the marriage was doing pretty well,” Kaine Horman said during a one-on-one interview with The Oregonian, “until we had our daughter, Kiara.”
I really believe Kaine is alluding to issues that began developing in Terri’s behavior long before June 4. Whether they can be attributed to PPD or not, whatever she was doing may have been the trigger for his affair. If so, this would not make ‘affair revenge’ the sole reason for a MFH plot. Sounds like the issues began prior. But still I am curious about how they as a couple dealt with the aftermath of that affair. KH seems to think things were ok. Wouldn’t one have to have a discussion on the future of their relationship? Knowing more about all that and whether it was a long term affair or a one nighter should enlighten us further into TH’s mental state. Was she told an end was in sight and she needed to make plans for her future?
I too think the location of Kiara on the fateful June 4th will prove interesting. I wish there was more info about this. How developed are Kiara’s speaking abilities?
RE ransom possibility. Those involved may have tried to make circumstances appear as a ransom situation with Kyron, his glasses and potentially a payoff, but I dont think it really was. I hate to say this, but Kyron would certainly be able to give details on his capture, keepers etc, and noone would want that liability.
I pray that today leads to some answers for Kyron’s loved ones.
if this was my kid missing and i knew the woman that had slept with my husband years prior when i was sick was involved, well she wouldn’t be standing and i’d be in jail, so i do say kudos to desiree! keep exposing all her dirty little secrets publicly until she speaks. when ur a ‘person of interest’ in hurting a child or witholding info as to where he is, that’s when water-boarding should be legal. i could care less what she thinks, feels, her psychosis, i don’t care everyone knows she’s involved so make her start talking and once he’s found she can spend the rest of her life analyzing her twisted self.
He may have been non committal to that vigil to keep someone from knowing that he would be away from Kiara at that time, or even if he took her that she would be there at that time. I think it was a protective response.
per Desiree, Terri claims she doesn’t remember what happened that morning after the science fair…yet Desiree says she remembers exactly everything she ate that day.
Doesn’t remember?
B
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This is very interesting. I wonder if she is going to claim some sort of amnesia associated with PPD, or go the Post Partum Psychosis route. However, I think she’s going to have a tough time proving either actually led her to the mental state that would lead her to believe that she was doing the “right thing” for Kyron.
Someone said Kaine was giving her a defense – I entirely disagree, I actually think he is trying to prevent her from being able to say that PPD put her in such a disoriented mental state that she believed getting rid of Kyron was the best thing for him. The info he gave will be in her medical records, anyway. His statement shows:
a) she had post-partum depression and it did not seem severe
b) she received medical care
c) he tried to monitor it according to the doctor’s instructions
In my opinion, all of these facts will make it much harder for her to claim her mental state was such that she did not know right from wrong. I will say…I don’t think Kaine is particularly in tune with Terri’s needs and wants. That is a big assumption…but I think he’s a distant guy. Not necessarily a bad guy…just kind of distant and maybe nonconfrontational, he seems like the kind of guy who would ignore the problems and kind of let them fester. Saying that, I believe he loves his kids.
The other thing random thing that keeps nagging at me, was Terri’s comment in the following article:
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/28/a-visit-with-terri-moulton-horman-and-whats-changed-at-the-house-this-week/
The reporter “complimented her on the family’s hilly one-acre yard, asking whether the family might be planning to make a large unmowed patch at the center into a garden. She said no, and commented on the difficulties of keeping up the property.”
I’m sure it’s nothing, and I apologize if I missed prior discussion on it, but this was before the LS stuff came out and seemed like some sort of weird reference to the need for a landscaper.
Finally, I think it’s weird she talked to the reporter at all.
TERRI, your children are your legacy, and they’re always going to want to love you. Please help them find a reason to believe you love them.
I could buy that what Terri did (or might have done) to Kyron was a result of PPD if she had not been evasive. Andrea Yates and Dena Shlosser, both suffering from severe PPD, quite easily admitted to what they had done.
10.Maggie_M says:
July 9, 2010 at 11:37 am
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Maggie, I am so glad you are here to share that story with us. What became of your mom and your relationship to her, if you don’t mind sharing more. I understand if you don’t want to.
@ louise gato: good post and I agree.
@midwest mom: I too now keep extra viligance regarding our surroundings with my 10 year old granddaughter.I also watch out for other children in stores etc.
Chica – just to fix your timeline: Desiree was already divorced from Kaine (I think 2 yrs) when she became ill and went to Canada for treatment.
Ok, who besides me is now wanting to know the truth or falsity of rumors of affairs/lovers of both Terri and Kaine in the past 2 yrs? Some may say this is just gossip – ok – but to me it would fill in some important information regarding timeline & motive.
Midwest Mom,
I totally get where you are coming from. However, the fact that Terri Horman did not fight the restraining order to see her daughter is one of the most telling things for me.
I am a big believer that we all react to things in different ways, but no one is going to take my 1 1/2 year old from my care without me fighting it. I cannot come up with any reason she wouldn’t fight that, unless in order to fight she somehow would have had to implicate herself in something. That “something” that she is afraid of could simply be the MFH plot against Kaine, true. But if THAT is the case, then she is clearly not in the right frame of mind, and leads me to believe she COULD be willing to arrange or have some harm come to Kyron.
I am open to hearing potential reasons why she wouldn’t fight the restraining order, because I sure can’t figure them out.
Midwestmom …if this is true (and i beleive it is because the source is the almighty maura-pedia and i hope she doesnt mind me bringing her post over but..)it does not even matter
“» Maura said: { Jul 9, 2010 – 11:07:42 }
Kaine said Terri walked out in the middle of her first polygraph.”
do innnocent step moms trying to find their child walk out on poly’s???
Blink, Maura said at Hinky:
» Maura said: { Jul 9, 2010 – 11:07:42 }
Kaine said Terri walked out in the middle of her first polygraph.
Yes, she was distraught. The second, she announced her right to seek counsel after they brought up the hit-gardner.
B
I have stated this before, and am still wondering, if the mysterious woman seen idling her white truck on a dead-end cul de sac not far from the school around 3:00 PM on 6/4, and again at approximately 2:00 AM the next day, could have been an accomplice.
Thanks for clearing that up for me B! I’m in KY and have been following this since the day it happened, so far this is the best place I’ve found for information…good job!
The other thing random thing that keeps nagging at me, was Terri’s comment in the following article:
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/28/a-visit-with-terri-moulton-horman-and-whats-changed-at-the-house-this-week/
The reporter “complimented her on the family’s hilly one-acre yard, asking whether the family might be planning to make a large unmowed patch at the center into a garden. She said no, and commented on the difficulties of keeping up the property.”
I’m sure it’s nothing, and I apologize if I missed prior discussion on it, but this was before the LS stuff came out and seemed like some sort of weird reference to the need for a landscaper.
Finally, I think it’s weird she talked to the reporter at all.
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@TJ: You hit it on the nose. I found that ironic as well. For all the complaints WW gets, they are good at their job.
B mentioned elsewhere on here that the media has known about the landscaper for awhile. B’s put a pic up of Kyron in a pile of leaves way before the landscaperlover story came out. Kudos to all of them!
Except the property is almost 5 acres
B
@Jen: You did not kill your infant, or sell him to get rid of him, or otherwise send him off with a stranger to set up ransom, did you? You got a grip and got help.
I am not buying the PPD defense in the case of TH. To me she seems more like the Susan Smith person who rolled her two little sons 60 feet under a lake to their drowning deaths, because her boyfriend did not want a pre-made family.
I am not suggesting that you did not have a hard time, because all new mothers have a hard time, thats a fact. But there is a big difference between wanting to have a break from a crying infant even for a day, and murdering a 7 year old, which is where I feer this is leading.
Taking it out on a 7 year old is criminal. I believe she knew right from wrong, and her silence and continuing to evade police is an indication that she does indeed know right from wrong. Besides if she was so stressed from PDD she would have taken it out at Kiara, the source of all of her new found stress. Kyron had another family where he belonged, and by all evidence, where he was much safer. No Excuses, or passes for T Hormone on this one.
Perhaps Kaine is floating the trial balloon of PPD at LE suggestion to give TH an out,to get her to speak, but I doubt a jury is going to buy it. If she conspired to harm Kyron, she should get the death penalty, and I hope Oregon has one.
@Kelli, I agree totally. She has made her bed let her lie in it. She has refused to cooperate, for weeks, she has lied to polygraph detectives, and failed, she was sleeping with Kaine while Desiree who had just given birth was deathly ill, she is just way into what Terri Hormone wants. And Terri Hormone evidently did not want a 7 year old to keep up with on summer break, or she wanted money from a botched ransom. She concocted bizarre stories that did not add up to implicate the school, and now, I fear Ky will never come back due to that evil manipulative woman.
Furthermore I suspect all of these stories, and accounts today about the horrors of PDD are being planted by TH, or her friends if she has any, or her high*powered*attorney. So, no I do not buy PDD for Terri Hormone for one minute, which she and high*powered*atty have evidently cooked up, along with the exclusive rights some rag will buy to show her simpering face as she is taken into custody.
Let her think she will get a PDD defense, and if she does admit killing Ky, I do not see much sympathy from the jury.
I’m starting to understand why they would not let that man with the dogs search, sad sad sad.
I don’t know enough about PPD to have an opinion but based on the research I did after reading many of these posts, it does seem that it occurs within 6 months or so of childbirth. Not saying it can’t go longer, I don’t know, but just saying what I’ve read. Here’s a quote from one source:
“Although many women get depressed right after childbirth, some women don’t begin to feel depressed until several weeks or months later. Depression that occurs within 6 months of childbirth may be postpartum depression.
In rare cases, a woman may develop postpartum psychosis. This is a very serious disease and includes all the symptoms of postpartum depression and thoughts of hurting yourself or hurting the baby. If you have any of these symptoms, you should talk with your doctor immediately.”
So instead of having answers, I ask questions of myself and the situation, and try to answer them. I will present them here as well:
1. Does PPD last 19 months later and include premeditation?
2. Would a MFH plot that obviously took some degree of planning/scheming be indicative of PPD?
3. I’ve noticed a number of posts here and elsewhere stating that Kaine has culpability for not noticing PPD on the part of TH. In the case of Andrea Yates, it was quite obvious that the hubby just didn’t give a rip and acknowledge, but it seems to me that TH was cognizant enough to “vent” to her friends, and Kaine did monitor her and she got meds. Was/is TH not also responsible to say “Hey, I’m having fantasies about having my husband killed, do you guys think that’s normal?” or “I’ve really had it with Kyron, and I think my PPD is making me think some insane things about doing away with him. HELP!” or in some way reach out.
If she could vent about her PPD, why not vent about MFH fantasies? Or could PPD make her crazy enough not to want to mention MFH, but want to mention the other aspects of PPD? I really don’t know.
4. Could TH have been building a case even then when “venting” to her friends? Stated another way: Could TH have gotten what she wanted (baby, house, financial security) and then coldly wanted KH & Kyron out of her way so she could build her dream life?
5. This one I can really argue either way:
Sexual predators are almost always victims of sexual abuse as well, and in my mind, that abuse definitely can create a mental illness or lifelong pathology–its one of the reasons that sexual abuse of children is so horrible. Yet, we hold the abused who become the abusers fully responsible for their actions later. Sure, sexual abuse of a child is the ‘reason’ that they become sexual abusers, but it’s not the excuse, and I don’t notice much leniency in that regard on this blog. Is THs *possible* PPD not the same thing, but different? Both adults have a pathology, both result in ultimate harm to children.
Anyway, these are the questions I’ve been asking myself, and trust that I do *not* know my own answers. But I think that they’re viable questions, and I’m hesitant to put all my marbles in the TH had PPD basket. There are many other things I’d want to know before feeling too much pity for or loathing of TH.
Some of the questions I’d ask are:
1. Does TH have a history of lying?
2. Promiscuity?
3. Grandiosity?
4. Is she manipulative?
5. Does she lack true shame and remorse?
6. Does she have a need for stimulation, drama, living on the edge in her life?
7. Are her emotions shallow or truly felt? that is a hard one to know. Even those closest may not truly know. I mean, Kaine had no idea that she wanted him murdered…
8. Does she have a very impulsive nature?
9. Does she express true rage?
10. Does she have a lack of empathy? True empathy, that is.
11. Has she had behavioral problems since childhood? Cruelty, stealing, lying, inappropriate sexuality?
12. Does she “use” others for money, status, etc.
These are questions I have, and these are questions that can only be answered by those who’ve been close to her or had the opportunity to watch her over time, not from what we can glean from a few interviews and contradictory stories.
***Important note: I don’t have answers, or even hard opinions. I can argue my first set of questions either way (it’s my nature) Also, none of the second set are “judgement/morality” calls. It’s not that I want to know if she’s slutty (I know some people will read the list and think that is an inappropriate/irrelevant matter), but early or consistent promiscuity is one of the signs indicative of something more than PPD, and I think that while we’re being fair to TH, we also need to be realistic/logical in our approach.****
So just some questions for thought. I apologize for the length of the post. And I know that some people just process information differently and make decisions based on what they perceive and what their life experience has been, but I tend to go into logic mode (probably one reason I can empathize with Kaine) and this is my approach. For those interested in theorizing, I’d love to hear your answers.
Let’s bring Kyron home today. Desiree & Kaine & Tony, if you guys read this blog, I know I don’t know you, but I would help if I could–pour coffee, do laundry, etc. I just feel so much for each of you watching this unravel, and I admire your integrity and focus. It’s rare in this world, and I think that’s one of the reasons this story moves me so much. Of course, Kyron is the main reason–what a great boy you have.
Idealy, Terri Horman, would have been hospitalized until the proper medication could be found. I think it played a big role in her behavior/actions regarding little Kyron. Her medical records should prove the extent of her PPD.
From what I have read, and observed on television, Desiree knows alot more than she is saying. Perhaps Kyron shared his feelings about Terri with her. Who knows? She is a wise, and beautiful lady, and I pray that God will give her the strength, and wisdom to endure this horror.
I think more information will be coming from the Landscaper. Soon, I pray.
Thank you Blink for all of your hard work on this case! What a gift you are to all of the Littlest Victims! God Bless You!
T.
Doesn’t Terri’s mental health issues make her a easy target of a controlling husband. Why didn’t Kaine take Kyron to the science fair? Why wasnt Kaine driving Kyron to meet Desiree in Eugene? Why doesnt he know about the Doct appt or talent show? And why during the first press conference did he not reach out to his son?
Terri is a easy suspect .. last to see him, Big CSI fan, post postpartum , landscaper affair…
Just seems all to easy to point at Terri like she is the only suspect
Has LE said yet that Kaine is not a suspect or just that he is cooperating
Thank you Twinkletoes, I’m glad I’m here as well, something I owe to my grandmother who walked in the just in time and saved me from her (I wish someone had done that for Kyron, assuming of course Terri had something to do with this).
…The story of my mother is a sad one. This all took place back in 1962 when postpartum psychosis wasn’t taken seriously. As a result my mother was institutionalized, given shock treatments, and drugged to the point that she didn’t even know her own name. Prior to my birth there was no evidence of mental illness in her life or in the family. I went to live with my grandparents until she was eventually released when I was about 4 years old, but the damage was done. I wont go into detail but I left home at a very young age, moved as far away as I could get without leaving the country and haven’t seen her since. Today she is in a nursing home.
Our family has since learned that postpartum psychosis is what she most likely suffered from, if it had been recognized and treated properly things would have been much, much different for us.
I never follow stories like this, but I live in the Portland area and as soon as I saw her on TV and learned the details of her life I became fixated because this could have been my story…
The disappearance of Kyron is a tragedy on so many levels and I hope beyond hope that he is found alive and gets to live his life!
From the start you didnt think the stepmother was involved !
Now we know she is, and I still think the fathers involved also… just me ….
my opinion only, thanks for the VENT !
YOUR GREAT BLINK!!!!
Sheesh. I abhor being misquoted or misrepresented.
I said I did not think she directly harmed this child, I still don’t.
I also said that her lifestyle choices led to this, and guess what- enter the hitgardner.
Something else- sometimes I am wrong.
B
Terri…
you can never move far enough away from God that you can never go back
WOW. Ask & ye shall receive:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/kyron-hormans-father-chance-wife-innocent/story?id=11124144
Desiree states that TH hasn’t “told the truth in the seven and a half years I’ve known her”.
7 and a half years would appear to confirm some things.
Effing sad. I am gonna end up heaping this chic on the gallows with the rest of y’all in a minute.
B
Blink, I want to know ” How” Kaine did not notice that Terri was falling apart? (until present)
If you go back to TH’s photo’s before and after Kiara was born. She looks very fit and healthy. She appears to have ” snapped” back after Kiara was born ( on the outside). He says that “He” felt they had a good marriage. I am confused by his statement of TH changed after Kiara was born, as in his assumption, of PPD. Looking at TH’s current photo’s it appears she has been crashing and burning ..for the later 6 mos. Not right after Kiara was born. She looks as though she has aged 20 years. When I see a woman’s exterior fleeting in a short period of time, it could be anything from illness, domestic issues, depression, financial issues, or even the threat of divorce looming. I wonder truly what was ongoing in the Horman house. Something caused TH to spiral down and out. I choose not to believe what Kaine says about the PPD. Only because I see it as an a assumption card being played by him. If he thought she was suffering from it Why then did He/no one seek help? Especially with her at home with Kyron and Kiara. I don’t see her anger directed to anyone but Him. This entire circle of Kaine/Desiree/Terri have ( it seems) through the years suffered by Betrayal of one or the other. Lots of dynamics here and we do not know the full story. I pray that Kyron is found. I pray that Kyron was not the ” sacrifice victim ” for the adults and their choices they made in life. I feel so much is not being said. It for now is he said, she said and not proven as truth by a long stretch. Thank you Blink.
Praying for Kyron and Kiara …the innocent.
The following from an interview with Kaine and Desiree:
” I don’t think she is going to tell the truth,” Kaine Horman said.
“She hasn’t told the truth for seven and a half years that I have known her,” Young said.