Kyron Horman Missing and Endangered: Kaine Horman Points A Finger Directly At Terri Horman
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“I believe respondent (Terri) is involved in the disappearance of my son Kyron who has been missing since June 4, 2010”
The grim words of Kaine Horman as they appeared in the restraining order filed against his estranged wife, Terri Moulton Horman, were unsealed yesterday.
It was the start of developments beginning to weave a portrait of Terri Horman, from the eyes of her husband and Kyron Horman’s biological Mother, Desiree Young.
“I thought the marriage was doing pretty well,” Kaine Horman said during a one-on-one interview with The Oregonian, “until we had our daughter, Kiara.”
Declining to elaborate, rumors of Terri Horman suffering from bouts of post partum depression following the birth of the couples 19 month old daughter have been swirling since the case began.
Yesterday’s press conference with Kyron’s parents, Kaine and Desiree left no doubt they believe Terri is involved with Kyron’s disappearance, and confirmed what has been reported exclusively on blinkoncrime.com previously:Terri Horman failed both polygraph tests administered during the investigation.
“I have known Terri a long time, and I know she is lying.” She went on to say she had her suspicions from the onset of the phone call she received alerting her that Kyron was missing.
Curiously, famed Portland attorney Stephen Houze, retained by Terri Horman June 28th, known for his Public*Relations*Prowess, would not comment on the divorce, custody, or criminal investigation involving his client.
Although Terri Horman had 5 days to respond to object to the restraining order which denies her any visitation with the couples daughter, there was no response filed on her behalf in family court.
It is this editors opinion that was a calculated move on her part NOT to have to answer to the allegations of Kaine’s petition which could then be used against her in a criminal proceeding.
Last evening, an amendment was filed to the restraining order to force Terri Horman from the marital residence, which was purchased in Kaine Horman’s name in December 2006.
Speaking to blinkoncrime.com on the condition of anonymity, sources inside the investigation have confirmed that the detectives sting on the grounds of the Horman home, where a landscaper believed to have been in a romantic relationship with Terri Horman requested $10,000 for an alleged murder for hire plot, may have impeded the investigation.
“The climate was one where their hand was forced. They had the guy saying one thing, and when they said “prove it”, they felt they would be arresting her on at least the solicitation charge.
Did it backfire? Uh, yes, in a way, because for one– nobody gets paid ten grand for killing a live guy.. For two, she did not flinch, and between the two of them at the time she called 911, she looked more credible. It was an uncomfortable situation for detectives to have to explain to the patrol.
I think they are desperate to resolve this case, but I do not think Terri will be the first to be arrested, I think the landscaper may be arrested tomorrow. They are going to need a pretty solid case to get him to flip if she was involved, which it looks clear that she was. Our prosecutors use a grand jury in lieu of a preliminary hearing almost, so I would bet that is going on behind the scenes..”
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Blink,
I am posting this again, but your contributor feels that whoever took Kyron also had baby Kiara the morning of June 4? I could only see Terri handing Kiara over to a person she was close to or trusted. A friend, perhaps?
I can’t say. We just believe that Kiara was never at the Science Fair.
B
Didn’t HopeinVa post some on the Morgan Harrington forums here at BOC? Does anyone remember? I don’t think it’s TH but one never knows!
So, if lover-LS is only being held as a material witness, that is because LE still has insufficient evidence to arrest him in any criminal matter?
@ TJ says:
July 10, 2010 at 10:03 am
Cathy Bickel –
TJ thank you for responding to C Bickel for their comments about Kyron not being wanted by his biological mom.. I was attempting to type a response to their comment but couldn’t get passed biting my tongue over it..
Many years ago I too signed over ‘custodial care only’ to the biological father of my children & it wasn’t because I didn’t love them it was because I did & I knew he could provide for them in a way I was not able to.. TY again for responding to that other comment & in a way much better than I would have..
I agree with Susan’s post above stating that Terri currently lives on Kaine’s sole private property. As such, why doesn’t Kaine just give reporters a pass to camp out at will until she leaves? Couldn’t he evern allow them to enter the home? Why not…it’s his? Also, I hope that no one buys any magazine or publication of any kind that has paid money to Terri Horman or her lawyer for her story. Please boycott this sickening attempt by her to profit from this little boy’s pain in order to defend her sorry a$$.
Cathy Bickel—
I find your comment about Kyron not being wanted OFFENSIVE.
I believe Kyron felt very loved and wanted by 4 parents.
I agree with you about how alone Kyron must feel NOW, because he has been ripped away from his 4 loving parents.
Desiree drove 2-3 hours every 2 weeks to pick Kyron up for the weekends.
zeus, here’s a note that indicates videos were collected earlier. “Albertsons told KATU it had turned over video taken from the Beaverton-Hillsdale Highway store on June 4 – the day Kyron went missing.” (examiner.com)
Discussion with neurologist about the Kyron case, re: post partum depression and p.p. psychosis. IF Terri has a psychosis after the birth of her daughter, then her lawyer needs to get his ducks in line quickly, get a deal and bring Kyron home. The morning show (Today or GMA) interviewer, didn’t ask the neurologist if in post partum psychosis, which is the condition under which a mother might kill her child, whether the mother would be likely to not kill her own child, but a step-child?
Cathy Bickel says:
July 10, 2010 at 9:38 am
I don’t agree that Kyron’s bio mom didn’t want him. As a SAHM my husband trusted me to run the household, precious bundles and all. I raised my stepson from the age of 5 and his bio mom made the most difficult decision to step back a little to help my son/her son have every advantage of a stable home. She made that decision because she loved him more than she cared to possess him. I’m extremely grateful to her, especially now that I’m older and I recognize her sacrifice. I can’t imagine the brow beating she must have taken in certain circles. And now many many years later, my son/her son has two mothers that love him very much.
I am a criminal defense investigator who mainly works in Washington County, Oregon, which is just south of the Skyline area. I also have a relative that lives within a mile of Skyline school and am very familiar with the area. My relatives home and property have been searched extensively three times in the past five weeks. They’ve left pink tape behind in their grid-type search – very sad reminder.
As an investigator, I regularly subpoena and review store surveillance tapes. It’s not as easy as it sounds. Many stores recycle their tapes every 30 days. Often the quality is poor. Some places won’t release tapes without subpoenaes to their corporate offices. I’m sure law enforcement has an easier time obtaining these things, but there are also hundreds of stores in that area and without a tip, I wouldn’t know where to start.
One last thing, as a mother of a six year old son and a seven year old daughter, I am regularly reminded that all mothers are not the same. While I can’t fathom harming any child much less my own flesh and blood, my experience on DHS cases has shown me what biological and step-parents are capable of. Particularly shocking is what a mother will do to hang on to a boyfriend.
This is my first time on any site like this and I don’t know if it’s Kyron’s age or proximity to our family’s home that has drawn me in. I just feel almost a panic to get him back home.
I sincerely appreciate your participation Elizabeth, there are a few in your line of work on here that would echo your thoughts. Welcome.
B
Sorry if I offended anybody, wasn’t my intention…my point was that this little boy is now the object of many peoples concerns, prayers and well wishes…speculation that this person did that or that person did this without proof isn’t helping him either. I feel sorry for the boy, I feel sorry for the situation he was in and the situation he is in at present. I hope he is still alive, I pray he is still alive and I will continue to do so. My concern is only for Kyron and his siblings, not his mother, father, step parents.
Pickle,
My theory is that Kaine was unaware that Kyron was supposed to go to Medford that weekend because Terri never mentioned it. This would explain why he thought up the family ice cream outing and later playing WII after picking up Kyron. If Desire and/or Tony were already on the road, Terri and Kyron would have needed to head for Eugene as soon as Kyron got home for school in order for D & T not to be waiting around — unless they had other plans in Eugene and planned to pick up Kyron later in the evening. Of course, even if Terri knew she wouldn’t really be taking Kyron to Eugene for the meet-up, it would have been smart to uphold the pretense, but criminals don’t always think of everything.
Anyway, I wonder if LE has asked about this.
susan says:
July 10, 2010 at 8:52 am
@Susan, the latest video with Terri and legal staff was apparently taken at the legal offices, ergo “private property.” Terri has no obligation to speak to reporters in such a situation, nor would it help her cause one bit. This was a craven, crass ploy to titillate viewers for KATU or whoever took this video.
KOOL LOOK, I think this reporter was acting like a buffoon, and neither Terri nor the other woman pictured had any reason to speak with him. If she won’t talk to the police, why should she be expected to talk to some bottom-feeder reporter?
Everyone is saying there is a grand jury convened right now…I hope so. In my opinion they have NO evidence at this time to even arrest her, let alone put her on trial. “Acting guilty” and refusing a polygraph are not enough to put her in jail. The desperate sting operation illustrates, in my opinion, that they’ve got nothing. I truly, sincerely hope I am wrong.
Blink says: “I may be wrong, but I seriously do not believe Kyron left with Terri.
B”
Like I keep sayin’, “Cherchez la femme in the white truck!”
Mme. C
It seems nobody from Skyline has come forward to say they saw Kiara the morning of June 4th and, it just seems to me, someone would notice if TH had the baby with her. So, where was Kiara? That seems to be the puzzle piece that could blow this case wide open. The “Kiara keeper” would have to be a very, very good and faithful friend of TH to keep this info quiet for 5 weeks. If “Kiara keeper” is the kidnapper of Kyron, how and when did the hand-off of the baby occur? That would also point to premeditation on the part of TH.
I just wish we were getting some kind of info from LE. It’s so difficult to think of little Kyron, out there somewhere, alone, frightened…or worse.
We would have witness testimony by now if Kiara was at the Science Fair. Since Terri and Kyron were vouched for by the PTA lady, I believe we would have heard about Kiara, as well. The store videos may show her with her mother, but my mind goes wildly to the baby being left in the truck or left at the gym daycare, or left alone at home.
Terri leaving the school with Kyron would be too much of a risk. I now believe (thanks, Blink) that her plan was to wash her hands of the actual abduction and try to leave an alibi trail.
Now, where that gets interesting is she did it in a way to incriminate the school for its lax attendance policies, lack of security cameras, both by default and by obfuscating her communications with the teacher, regarding the doctor appointment. TH thought this through–even down to the teacher’s hearing impairment–for everything to point in her favor.
[An aside here--I've wondered if TH wasn't just a little piqued that she wasn't hired at Skyline School, especially given her self-appointed credentials and familiarity with the school. A little martyrdom could go a long way.]
Further, she left ambiguous (as far as we know) the plan for Kyron going to Medford for the weekend, potentially implicating Desiree and Tony as abducting parents.
I don’t know if this has been asked or discussed, but when Terri drove Kyron to school, did she normally drive her mustang or the truck?
I wonder when the last time Terri drove the truck before the morning she drove Kyron to school.
Did she have a carseat for Kiara in both the mustang and the truck or did she have to transfer to whatever vehicle she was driving.
So many questions, and no answers…………
Jen writes:
“Futureman: I appreciate your sense of humor. It’s refreshing to read in the midst of all this horror.”
I’m glad you’ve read my posts in the proper spirit, Jen. By no means do I intend any disrespect. A little levity is the only thing that enables me to endure when reading, writing, and thinking about humanity’s darker side.
I know I have posted this before, but I remain curious. Last December something slightly similar happened where a young girl was missing and a “person of interest” was completely uncooperative. “has been very uncooperative since the investigation was initiated,”. has been uncooperative and “of no assistance to our investigators.” The temps were freezing and we had snow on the ground and more snows coming. Our sheriff and states attorney updated the community on two local (ABC) and (CBS) affiliates twice a day.
while professional teams serached the sheriff and DA explained on radio and tv to home owners and businesses how to search their homes, surrounding buildings and property so not to jeopradize the integrity of any evidence. They had business owners go through security footage and etc – this was all for a radius further outside of the main perimeter. Just ‘in case”. “Police even asked local residents to search their own “land, wooded areas, and leased parcels for hunting” and then tie a red ribbon on the mail boxes to indicate the property had been searched”
Police later (3 days) accepted the help of thousands by gathering us into a local baseball stadium and again explaining in detail how a search is conducted, then breaking down the groups into small teams and assigning territories. All of this was meant to search outside of the main area of interest (i.e. where the suspect lived and the little girl lived and places he was known to frequent)
This happened Christmas week and people were glued to the story all over the country – and when police finally accepted the pleas to help – on Christmas Morning people from over a 100 miles away showed up to help.
Her remains were found in a wooded area late Christmas afternoon –
My point is, while a core search team focused on the zone of interest, from the beginning “just in case” – searches were conducted early on in a good 50 miles or more surrounding that core.
I don’t live in Oregan, and I have read that intense searches were completed, but did they extend beyond the main perimeter?
I remember it was so frustrating because everyone knew he knew where she was, but he said nothing. Pleas were made to him and his family to speak the truth. I can only imagine the communities (and law enforcement) in Oregan are experiencing the same and I hope this ends soon. I can’t imagine how long this will drag on, and at what point will this story begin to fade from public eye? I pray for closure.
Pickle and Mme. Clouseau,
There would have been enough time to play a little wii after school and get ice cream on the way out of town. Dad and Kiara could have been in separate vehicles, meeting TH and Kyron for the treat and then both heading their own ways again.
If I was TH, I would have enjoyed that drive, despite Friday traffic near the cities, because it would give me some fresh scenery and a break from the toddler, with a bonus of little traffic/alone time on the way back.
Even though Kaine is very female-dependent, I think he probably had booked in the weekends Kyron was to be away. As a business professional, he has to have some skills, I imagine.
No, all was to go as planned, until the plan went awry.
Madame Clouseau: I thought that the visitation was a regular every other weekend thing. Kaine would have been aware of their regular routine.
Mdm Clouseau: Why would Terri be expected to be more aware of Kyron’s visitation schedule than Kaine?
And, for that matter, why was Kerri expected to drive Kyron to Eugene rather than Kaine?
Questions:
1.) After hearing Desire’s comment about not trusting Terri for many years, I’m wondering if the restraining order that Desire supposedly tried to get when Kyron was still a baby might have actually had something to do with Terri.
2.) I recall that early on in this situation, Terri’s mother, Carol Horman gave an interview in which she seemed to be speaking for Terri. Could Terri’s mom have been the source of the false story, unwittingly perhaps (just the kind of story you might tell your mom), about Terri’s supposed friendship with Desire, helping her out by caring for Kyron, and then, hey, waddya know — love and marriage just happened?
3.) Could Terri’s dad’s resignation about her never being able to get another job with the school system and probable arrest, have been influenced by his history with Terri?
4.) Could/would Terri’s defense team try to develop a defense around Terri’s experience of being adopted? (I know, it’s a stretch, but they gotta come up with something if LE is able to make a strong case.)
Mme. C
Catching up on the last two days. It seems an enormous task. Some of the comments appear to assume facts not in evidence as of yet. At this point TH has not been charged with anything making her possibly a poi but not as yet the “accused”. There is also much speculation about post-partum depression, honesty vs dishonesty, etc. IMHO is is unreasonable and dangerous to enter into speculation on things that only those closest to her could possibly comment on. What basis is there for assuming that Kyron’s mother did not want him, or that TH used steroids or possibly resented the child. At this point there is no released evidence to support any of there theories. Additionally, the interpretation of the “garage” exchange has included adjectives for behavior that I simply did not see. What I saw was TH and unnamed woman calmly navigating their way to the elevator. I also did not detect any humor on the part of the unnamed woman as someone commented. If she is in fact someone from the law firm hired by TH then it appears she was just doing her job in distancing the reporter while offering support to TH.
I have no idea what the truth is about MFH plot, affair or affairs, devotion to children or not. All that I know is a) It was a Friday, b)There was a science fair taking place, c) Kyron entered a tree frog exhibit, d) his backpack and jacket were on his desk, e)Kyron was not in class that day, f) Kyron was not on the schoolbus at the end of the day, g) Sting was unsuccessful, h) KH sought and was granted a RO and moved out of the family home with his daughter. Also reported have been the location of searches, or at least some of the areas, requests for video footage, the questionnaire and the removal of one of the family’s vehicles. Everything else at this point IMHO appears to be speculation and personal opinion. It just seems to me that it is imperative to keep on digging, theorizing and yes, speculating but to do so without implying things are fact when they have not yet been established to be so.
Like all of you here, my thoughts and prayers are for his safe return.
@ Madame Clouseau says:
July 10, 2010 at 12:22 pm
re: Pickle,
Weren’t those weekend visits kind of routine or prearranged with all of the parents ? How would KH not know about it ?
Terri looked in good shape after giving birth. Did the depression start lart later when she learned about Brother and law and the comments he made about Grandpa molesting him. That should send any mother into a spiral.
Below is a clip from that article….
Police asked Kristian Horman what he was thinking about after the girl pulled away. He then revealed there was a history of abuse in the Horman family,court records show, and said his grandfather had abused him.
“He indicated that he was thinking about all the stuff his grandfather had done to him,” the court records say, “and remembering how he felt during the time.” Kristian Horman was sentenced June 16 to six months in jail.
@ Gerta says:
July 10, 2010 at 11:39 am
I couldn’t even begin to tell you what kind of brow beating I took when I give up custody its not something society or other family members understands or accepts unfortunately.. Exception to that were my in-laws bless them.. I could write a book on that topic etc..
I am with all those who are very concerned about TH’s involvement in this terrible situation.
Having said that … should any of us ever be in a position where we are accused of something horrific, we would be smart to
A) Hire the best attorney we could find, and
B) Follow his/her advice, which is likely to include no polygraphs, no speaking to the media AT ALL, etc.
TH may be very guilty, but we will not prove it by analyzing what we see/hear via media outlets.
TH may be very guilty, but we live in a country that values a legal process where one is assumed innocent.
How can we help support those who have the awesome task of finding the evidence and bringing Kyron home?
Pickle says:
July 10, 2010 at 1:48
kaine said he was going to take Kyron for ice cream and then play wii.
desiree said terri was suppose to take Kyron to eugene so he could spend the weekend in medford (eugene is 1/2 way between portland and medford)
desiree was supposedly on her way to eugene when she got the call about 4:00PM that Kyron was missing —– so you would think there would have been no time to get ice cream or play wii if desiree was already on the way when she was called since terri would have had to be on her way with Kyron to meet desiree.
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Got a source on that? Maybe the above statement is incorrect? Here is how it reads from kptv.com:
Desiree Young, Kyron’s mother, said she was at work June 4 in southern Oregon when she received a phone call from the Skyline School secretary. The secretary told Young that Terri Horman, Kyron’s stepmother, asked her to call and inform her that Kyron was missing.
http://www.kptv.com/news/24197226/detail.html
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But, I do agree with you, Pickle, that Kaine’s plans for afterschool on June 4th sound a bit too involved for a child who is headed for a 3-4 hour trip that day.
I assume a Terri miscommunication to Kaine; but that’s just me.
Hi Blink, what the scoop on Tony’s polygraph. Have you heard more about that?
I live in Ohio but my heart has been in Oregon since June 4th. I pray day and night for precious little Kyron that he is alive and will be found. I can’t help but think that TH handed him off to someone because she doesn’t have any strength of her own. She is a coward.I pray that the person who has him lets him go home. I live in the woods on a river and have always been afraid to sleep with my window open…I sleep with my window open now.
Gerta
what is a SHAM sometimes people use shortcuts that leave others like me scratching their heads. no offense I dont know what you mean.
kleat
isn’t it more likely that little kyron is no long alive. I just dont see where they would stash him. it saddens me to even think that he is dead but I have to be realistic after all the time that has passed.
I for not one second!! believe that kyrons biological mother did not want thim.!!! if I am not mistaken she had serious health issues and was out of country getting treatment! when terry supposedly a friend! moved in at the bio moms request to help kain with kyron. they ended up sleeping together and had an affair. It WAS NOT THE BIO MOMS FAULT THAT SHE WAS BETRAYED by her husband and friend.
what matters now is that the truth is forthcoming from terry.
I dont care for kain but its him that has to live with what he has done. I truly like and think the bio mom is sincere.
10.nana2 says:
July 10, 2010 at 1:33 pm
@ Madame Clouseau says:
July 10, 2010 at 12:22 pm
re: Pickle,
Weren’t those weekend visits kind of routine or prearranged with all of the parents ? How would KH not know about it ?
Nana,
Yes, the visits were routine, but am wondering if the schedule might have been open to changes. Just trying to understand why Kaine wanted to go for ice cream and WII when it seems Kyron and Terri should have been hitting the road.
Mme. C
@Madame Clouseau: you know, you may have a good point there: what if TH just forgot about the meet-up because she knew it wasn’t going to happen, and then it tripped her up later.
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Re; the stores: Blink, you have stated that you don’t think that TH left with Kyron. This means that someone else left with Kyron, and possibly TH met up with them later to do whatever dastardly thing they were going to do. And if Kiara wasn’t with TH, she was with someone else most likely, possibly the perp who took Kyron or yet another “friend” of TH who might have info. What if TH was possibly in the stores with the person who took Kyron? Like they needed supplies for something?
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Also, someone wanted to know about pathological lying. I’m not expert (though I’m a lot more savvy after the sociopath) but there’s are two interesting sites you might want to check out: eyes for lies, and statement analysis by seamus oriley. I’m paraphrasing here, but not sure which site discusses it, but the lies with explicit details that are complete fabrications are far less common and far more dangerous re: character indications than are lies of deception. So, for example, if TH made up a complete lie about a doctor’s appt and the hard of hearing teacher and none of that was based in fact, it would be more telling that if there was a doctor’s appt scheduled and the teacher really was hard of hearing. I’m not explaining this well, but there’s lots of angles of deception to be explored, and I find it helpful to look outside of my own framer of reference.
Re: the speculation about the Friday night trip: Portland to Eugene (the meet-up spot) is a 2 hour drive at the speed limit (110 miles) straight down I-5. If you leave at 4:30 or 5, traffic can be wicked, but if you wait just an hour, piece of cake.
I thought that! the icecream never took place. but was to take place after he got home from school! why is everyone focusing on the ice cream.
Elizabeth
thank you for your insight. I have a terrible feeling about this case. I think that alot time has passed since kyron disappeared and I am optimistic about his safe return. I think alot can be read into terry’s silence. I dont know what her motive was I can only speculate and I wont do that because I cant back it up. I pray he comes home safe but the more time goes by and the more terry clams up! Makes for a sad outcome.
Madame C: excellent points.
I am going to respond to all of these based on personal experience I’ve had with a sociopath and his parents, as well as information I’ve read. MOO, the answer to each of these questions is “YES”. On the personal level, the sociopath’s parents actually gave me a heads-up about his monetary problems and his propensity for “borrowing”. I found out even more than they knew over time. They were aware of his issues, but always saved him (at least one incident and their monetary fix kept him out of jail for grand theft). Perhaps your Q#3 is a good example of what they “knew” about TH, and how they accepted it anyway. Re; your 2nd ?, yes, He would “spin” stories his way because of his abysmal relationship track record, infidelities, and as it turned out, domestic violence, too. So yep, re: the “romance” lie re: a similar situation, yes I witnessed it. And #4 he was adopted & I paralleled his behaviors with those of TH early on and Blinkster “Andy” clarified that there is an attachment disorder, so yes, Houze may try that one as well.
On a more objective level, note re: those with ASPDs is that they need victims, and parents are often the time-(dis)honored victims because they love their child and save them or believe them again and again because they want to believe that *this time* will be different. Also, their parents may have some serious dysfunctions of their own (witness the batcaca crazy Anthonys). ***Please note: I am *not* stating for fact that TH is ASPD, nor that her parents have any issues, this is just a general statement.*** But I am tracking facts we know about TH against the definition of ASPD/sociopath specifically, and there are a number of indicators that she is, not just one or two.
Also, last note, Eyes for Lies did a really interesting analysis of THs body language in the “no words” garage video, and if E/f/L is correct, that’s one more “yes” on the ASPD indicator list.
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Madame C’s questions (to which I’m responding) for those who cannot find comment above:
2.) I recall that early on in this situation, Terri’s mother, Carol Horman gave an interview in which she seemed to be speaking for Terri. Could Terri’s mom have been the source of the false story, unwittingly perhaps (just the kind of story you might tell your mom), about Terri’s supposed friendship with Desire, helping her out by caring for Kyron, and then, hey, waddya know — love and marriage just happened?
3.) Could Terri’s dad’s resignation about her never being able to get another job with the school system and probable arrest, have been influenced by his history with Terri?
4.) Could/would Terri’s defense team try to develop a defense around Terri’s experience of being adopted? (I know, it’s a stretch, but they gotta come up with something if LE is able to make a strong case.)
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Correction to post above re: pathological lying. This should say LIES OF OMISSION since of course, all lies are lies of deception
@chica: Terri & Desiree were NOT friends and Terri did not “move in” at Desiree’s request. Desiree has clarified that in several interviews.
It may be helpful to go back thru the other Blink posts and comments and read thru them quickly to get a feel for how the information has morphed since that first “friend” article. I even go back and review for new posts because Blink & staff moderate comments and sometimes they do not show up in “order” (ie some comments made later actually appear first and some comments made earlier, are not approved till later and get lost in the “crowd”)
@ chica says:
July 10, 2010 at 2:06 pm
Gerta
what is a SHAM sometimes people use shortcuts that leave others like me scratching their heads. no offense I dont know what you mean.
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If you mean SAHM = Stay At Home Mom
@ Madame Clouseau says:
July 10, 2010 at 2:17 pm
I’m sure that the weekend schedules had some flexibility to them but there seemed to be a big thing about this particular one due to the going fishing with the new fishing rod thing as per Tony..
Blink, is there any indication that perhaps neither Kiara nor Terri were at the school that morning?
I just cannot shake the feeling that someone else may have “dropped him off.”
Makes little sense, I know. Just needed to ask.
Word Girl says:
July 10, 2010 at 12:43 pm
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Great post WG. I cant seem to be able to get it together in expressing my thoughts here lately. I think you have some very convincing points.
36.Jackie Bauer
says:
July 10, 2010 at 2:31 pm
Re: the speculation about the Friday night trip: Portland to Eugene (the meet-up spot) is a 2 hour drive at the speed limit (110 miles) straight down I-5. If you leave at 4:30 or 5, traffic can be wicked, but if you wait just an hour, piece of cake.
Yes, if a person left right after school the traffic would be awful. They would have to sit through awful traffic on two of our most congested hi-ways. I think this may be something we are reading too much into. If it were me, I’d rather wait until traffic cleared up to make that drive. AND if Kyron was suppose to go to DY/TY’s for the weekend it makes sense to me that KH would plan a little “date” with Kyron before he left b/c he wanted to celebrate his science fair project. And as far as TH driving him, for all intents and purposes, was Kyron’s parents too. Or maybe she just offered, wanting to get out of the house for a bit.
Again, as far as the DY was on her way at that time, I don’t think that is true. DY stated she got the call at work and that her and TY left immediately for Portland.
SAHM = stay at home mom : )
KOOL LOOK: I second what you said. The integrity and kindness that everyone on here exhibits is phenonmenal! I feel that respect is of top priority here and people seem genuinely interested in what others say, even if it is different than what we as individuals think. I think we re all here for Kyron and those that aren’t usually don’t stick around too long. I can’t even look at the news media sites, it makes me sick to read other people bashing each other and insults the heart of the matter, and that’s Kyron.
Also, I do hope that this case brings perspecive to us all as a community to keep such horrid things, such as this from, happening. If that means better treatment for mothers that seek treatment for mental health, like PPD, or cameras in the schools, I am all for it. And I think that’s why it’s so important for us to discuss these things, not just to dissect the family, but also to make us all more aware and invested as we move forward.
mahotchki says:
July 10, 2010 at 1:15 pm
Additionally, the interpretation of the “garage” exchange has included adjectives for behavior that I simply did not see. What I saw was TH and unnamed woman calmly navigating their way to the elevator. I also did not detect any humor on the part of the unnamed woman as someone commented.
I was the person who said I felt it looked as if she thought it was humorous. When I watched the video at one point after they had entered into the glassed enclosure, it appeared to me that the other woman was smirky smiling (my own made up words) and as I stated in my previous post …jmo…just my opinion…..I am sure there will be others that agree with your insights, but I thought it was ok to voice mine
Oops, one my last comment I messed up…
“for all intents and purposes, was Kyron’s parents too.”
I meant TH was Kyron’s parent too.
Jackie B –
Thanks for your interest in my comments. I have appreciated your insights as well.
From what I have read, people with criminal minds usually exhibit antisocial behaviors early in life. Some are more clever and subtle than others. Most don’t just up and decide to cause mayhem one day after they’ve hit middle age. Hence my questions about Terri’s history.
Mme. C
@Madame Clouseau: A few pages back I listed the questions I’d have re: THs early and consistent behavior. This is why I thought DYs comment re: 7 and a half years of lies was significant, ditto for multiple affairs, if true, etc. I’m sure that you and I are on the same page. I think a few pages back I’d IDd 4 or 5 of the key factors based on facts we know already. If you have a chance to take a look at the earlier posts, I’d love your thoughts. And Oh, how I’d love a real croissant right now, too.