Kyron Horman Missing and Endangered: Terri Horman Leaves The House
Portland, OR– Late today, prior to a previously scheduled hearing at 3PM PST, an agreement was reached between the attorneys for Kaine Horman and Terri Horman.
KOIN reports:The dispute between Terri Horman and Kaine Horman has been settled and she will move out of the couple’s Northwest Sheltered Nook Road home Saturday by 3 p.m.
Also on Koin6, via email from Kaine Horman-
When asked via email by KOIN if he believes Terri had something to do with Kyron’s disappearance, he wrote: “I believe at some point she will be arrested.”
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The authorities are checking out the area that Major Ed Dames mentioned. It was mentioned on KPTV news. So no need to put on your walking shoes and leash up the dogs. LE is handling it.
I watched our local new tonite. Before they showed the video of Kaine Horman at the wall of hope, the news was reporting LE is now focusing on the Drs. appointment Terri told the teacher about on June 4th. Why can’t they verifiy with the Dr. if and/or which date an appointment was made?? That should have been done long ago and they throw that bit of info out tonight. I don’t understand!!
FLGirl says:
July 21, 2010 at 9:28 pm
I’m very curious as to why LE has stated this could go on till October; that sounds very specific; like a deadline. Is it because of some kind of forensic tests they are waiting on the results of? Or what could be the reason? I’d tend to believe this could go on for weeks, or indefinitely, but October sounds kinda odd.
That would be the end of the Quarter. Then they said they might have to go back again for more money if the case requires to go forward from that point in time.
Possible confirmation that TH told Kyron’s teacher he had a Dr’s appointment that day.
Video link:
http://www.katu.com/home/video/98977869.html
Taken from Video:
Kyron’s teacher marked him absent because she knew he had a doctor’s appointment on the Friday Kyron disappeared.
A friend of Kyron’s who eats lunch with Kyron every day told his mom that he knew Kyron had a doctor’s appointment, and that he saw Kyron leave with Terri.
(originally posted at The Hinky Meter site)
RAW video KGW8
http://www.kgw.com/video?id=98973929&sec=547977
I’ve long thought that Terri may have been alerting someone specific about where she would be when she posted “hitting the gym”. I’ve also thought that her husband, like so many of us, saw her strange behavior and realized from the first that there was something wrong with her story. If I were him, I’d have watched her every move as well, she wouldn’t have left the room without me, let alone the house!
Here’s what I don’t understand–if TH is innocent, why did she fail the polygraphs twice and walk out another time? Why isn’t her attorney out there on the press junket to end all junkets declaring her innocence? if she’s innocent, why can’t she account for her time that day? Why has she not cooperated with investigators? Why would she not say “I AM INNOCENT” and defend herself and do all she could do to help find Kyron? Why would she behave the way a guilty person with something to hide would behave?
There are so many areas that have to be explained away in order to get TH to not culpable. The doctor’s appointment, the truck, Kiara who knows where, the email about the project, the lies she’s told, the time she was last seen? Independently, each one of those issues can have a plausible explanation, but in order to get TH to remotely innocent, you need explanation after explanation after explanation, and that just raises too many red flags to me. Even if I disregard the MFH and sexting and photos, she still has lots of ‘splaining to do and she is not doing that. She’s not helping herself, she’s certainly not helping Kyron. I just do not understand that.
Yes, I know, I’ve read the theories– her possible fear of KH, or of LSL, or some gang that’s after her–but really, Kyron is out there, so if she really cared about him, wouldn’t she risk all to help? Wouldn’t she trust LE & the FBI and confide in them? Wouldn’t she put Kyron first? Would she really be sexting and worrying about her hair foils being too orange?
And for those who think that LE & the FBI are just putting the focus on TH to fool someone, would they really ruin a woman’s life this way if there weren’t some evidence? Short of donning a wonder woman outfit and saving Kyron from the bowels of hell singlehandedly, there’s little TH can ever do to be innocent in the eyes of much of the public, so really, would LE & the FBI allow all of this to focus on her if she weren’t seriously involved?
I am looking forward to the pc and questions from LE coming soon. Hopefully there’s something of substance about to break. I have to say though to those who think KH was grilled for 3 hours and this is a turn in the tide towards him, it’s hard to imagine that if that were the case, he’d have then gone to the wall where press would follow. JMO but I think he’d do what TH is doing and hide away if there were any suspicions re: him. He also passed his LDT “with flying colors” as DY said, and could account for his time to LEs satisfaction. Certainly something may have changed re: KH, but I just don’t see that in his behavior. JMO, JMO.
If Terri Horman has not been told she is a possible suspect, then she will never be one, imo.”
B
Blink did you write this about Teri as I don’t see it and dont remember seeing you write this one?
I thought you had stated as FACT that Teri is responsible for Kyrons disappearance…?? thanks
I did write it. However, I believe she has flat out been told she was a suspect, thus the context.
B
Colleen- thank you, I didnt know that information about Kyron seen leaving with Teri was confirmed,thank you I thought it was a rumor. that helps me a lot….
rmack says:
July 21, 2010 at 10:15 pm
… If I were him, I’d have watched her every move as well, she wouldn’t have left the room without me, let alone the house!
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Damn straight, Rmack! And I’d have been packing concealed heat while I watched her, too!
@ Hets: Regarding burning a body…yes, I’ve heard of instances in which a murderer burned the body of his/her victim(s). In those cases, enough of the bodies remained that they were discovered, and later identified. And the perps were linked to the crimes and arrested, tried and convicted.
@beejay, Sometime ago I threw out there that I think TH had something to do with this by her life style, I, like you, am not thinking she killed this boy. I think Kyron has paid a price for something that TH did or said. I look at his pictures and his eyes are so full of life, children that are abused look dead in their eyes. I have no link to prove this, just over 20 years working at a Children’s hospital where I saw abused and murdered children on a daily basis. If I remember right when asked if TH harmed Kyron while taking the polygraph she answered no and passed, what the questions were that she failed I have no idea.
It was obvious she was having affairs with other men and if the questioning turned to that then she may have failed. You have to remember they had Sanchez locked up very quick after Kyron disappeared so LE knew alot of questions TH didn’t expect to be asked about.
Do I think she’s innocent? No. Do I think she killed Kyron? No Do I think she is some how the reason he’s missing? Yes.
Blink, I saw nothing in the video or news reports tonight that said anyone SAW Kyron leaving with Terri I believe it’s a rumor spreading like wildfire-am I wrong? did I miss something?
Rumor
B
47.FLGirl says:
July 21, 2010 at 9:28 pm
“Regarding the gym stuff; I don’t know whether this has been verified or not, but I’ve seen other places that supposedly the gym was one of the contact points; to drop off fliers and whatnot. So maybe they were going for that purpose. Don’t really know.”
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I remember reading that, too, FLGirl.
Also, since working out at the gym has long been a routine for KH & TH, they would have a social network there. During a crisis, people need routine to keep some sense of normalcy in there lives, plus social support and a physical release for their tension.
Nothing suspect in going to the gym wihtin days after Kyron went missing, especially if KH & TH used that opportunity to get the word out about Kyron. IMO
There was a facebook quiz that Terri answered (it was posted prior to Kyrons disappearance)that was posted here at one point. One of the questions was something like “What a you most worried about” or something like that and Terris answer was she was worried she would forget about the doc appt. on friday. Does anyone have a copy of that quiz? Does anyone know who tagged Terri in the quiz to have her answer the questions?
Snapoutofit,
I can’t help but notice that you keep repeating that Terrie lies. What has she lied about?
You are aware that the results of the polygraph came from terri herself?
Just wondering if you know something that we are not privy to.
This is the link mentioned upthread about TH telling the teacher doc appomtment was that Fri 6/4…also , Portland Public Schools spokesperson Matt Shelby confirmed stepmother left with KY
” Prior to his June 4 disappearance, Kyron Horman’s stepmother, Terri Horman, informed his teacher he had a doctor’s appointment on Friday, the sources said, and it was why there was no expectation Kyron would be in class after the science fair….”
http://www.katu.com/news/local/98981009.html
Cathy Bickel, I’ve never read which specific statements TH passed and failed. Do you have a link for that? The only place I’ve ever seen that info was on the TH FB support page, and I’m not quite inclined to believe that source.
Blink, is it true that teachers and students at Skyline are under a gag order? I just read that.
NO
B
#17: I have been following this story since day 1. Not everything the media reports that Terri says is going to be true. Are you truly believing she is telling the truth? From a woman who, at the least, hooks up with Michael Cook – the man who was instrumental in putting together the first candle light vigil for Kyron – on June 30th and sends erotic pics of herself? Are you basing your speculation on what the media is reporting? As Tony Young said “Connect the dots” and as Desiree Young has said, “I’ve known Terri for 7 1/2 years and she’s lied during that time.” Go back through this thread. Look at all my postings. And yes, I know some other stuff too that I can’t say.
RE: lyla says:
July 21, 2010 at 9:49 pm
….” Why can’t they verify with the Dr. if and/or which date an appointment was made?? That should have been done long ago and they throw that bit of info out tonight. I don’t understand!!”
Don’t you think this has already been done? Don’t you think that the FBI has already done this after they talked to Terri? It just isn’t being released. They are INVESTIGATING this. This is not a reality show here people.
One more thing and I will sign off….before everybody posts another question or wants a link etc, scroll back to ‘older comments’ to see if it was already addressed. It is appearing like we keep going around and around at the same ol’ stuff here.
Till something breaks, looks like we all need something to occupy our minds re: Kyron, so I’m going to start a list, inspired by Midwestmom’s question to Snap o.o.i. re: THs lies (“I can’t help but notice that you keep repeating that Terrie lies. What has she lied about?).
Since I’d just cited “the lies she’s told” (she=TH), I thought about the ones I was thinking of, but if anyone has any others, please add to my list:
–put online that she’s got a master’s degree (she doesn’t) (that was in writing, online)
–lied about how she & Kaine met (both Kaine & DY verified that one)
–lied about being friends with Desiree (from DYs account)
–was obviously living a lie if the MFH has any substance to it (if LE & FBI & courts were convinced of –the veracity of the claim based on their evidence, I am, too)
–I call having affairs living a lie, and if you live a lie you are, therefore, a liar
–lied or was evasive during polygraphs (lies of omissions are still lies, and if someone tells lies, they’re a liar)
DY says TH has lied about little & big stuff for 7.5 years (and I believe DY)
What else? I know there’s more.
Not good news in So. Cal., but not surprising:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/21/norma-lopez-remains-ident_n_654879.html
I feel so bad for her family. Apparently, happened in broad daylight?
Re #4: Well, that is interesting. I had heard several weeks ago that TH had given confusing/vague doctor’s appointment information to the teacher. Now, it sounds as if it is true. I suspect LE has many more inconsistencies and other evidence, but not quite enough to make a case at this time. But, I also sense LE is still working very intensely behind the scenes. I am hoping they will find that critical lead very, very soon and bring Kyron home.
Jackie: Regarding the “failed” or “inconclusive” polygraphs, I have actually seen innocent people “fail” for various reasons, so I do not put much weight on the polygraphs alone. Like many of you, it the other behaviors/inconsistencies/possible MFH, in addition to the polygraphs, that lead me to think she may be involved.
Thanks, Blink, for all you do!
Thought of two more TH lies:
–put that she was certified to teach at all levels on her linkedin (she isn’t)
–made up some acronyms (Andy noted it) for syndromes with which she had experience, but the syndromes don’t exist (that counts as a lie to me)
I read today that a teacher and janitorial staff were absent for up to 4 days after KH’s disappearance. On the FB page Open Discussion of KH a theory has been talking that since Terri is a former teacher/sub/volunteer at Skyline is it possible she has school staff helping her? What’s your thought?
Not once have I ever heard Terri Hormans voice.
She has been silent. WHY?
What does Terri Hormans voice sound like? What did her
voice sound like the last morning she spent with Kyron?
How did step mother address him? Was it kind, loving, reassuring?
Her silence resounds loud and clear to me.
I lost a daughter to murder. I was not silent.
Kyron, you are beautiful, you are pure wonderful.
No way friend-
B
Jackie,
Those people at the Terri FB page are despicable!
OH MY GOODness I am soooo mad. I got banned for 7 days from WS! geesh.
I usually deserve it but not this time and I cant write to anyone as it won’t let me?… lol sorry had to vent.
I was talking about the emergency restraining order and I had like 10 people telling me that they can’t file them, therefor I am imagining things.. I explained it to the best of my ability and then FINALLY I went and found it and linked it in a couple peoples posts that were basically calling me a liar and I got banned? for showing PROOF? I hardly ever got there but was looking for something and now I am mad… okay I am done I think? hehe
Thank you Blink for having the BEST crime blog on the net, I was quite wounded when I found you….<3
Jackie I was just reading your post. Thanks for asking that? I was wondering the same thing. I wonder why noone has talked if no gag order?
It seems that everyone is really freaked out in Oregon huh? THis must be worse than we think? Blink?
@beejay says:
July 21, 2010 at 6:32 pm
Reading back thru for wisdom from Blink. Let me just throw out her statement from June 18:
“Statistically speaking, in some form, yes I believe this is a sexually motivated crime, as do many colleagues I speak with, based on known information in this case.
Blink or BLinkers – can you give me an example or two of a sexually motivated crime that might apply to this case? I guess my mind just won’t go there to come up with any ideas on my own.
I am not certain I can give you an example considering we do not know definitively who took him and where he is, outside of stats that have already been discussed here.
B
“A spokesman for Portland Public Schools told the news station that every school employee must pass a criminal background check that includes being fingerprinted before they’re permitted to work with children.” (http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/f/19507837)
I have been rereading some of the earliest news stories and comments to see if anything stands out now, but didn’t then. I came across this statement above. I worked for PPS for over 15 years, retired, and then did temporary and some volunteer work. The key phrase is “permitted to work with children”. Unless it has changed VERY recently, a background check would be considered unnecessary if you do not work directly with students in a supervisory capacity (which includes tutoring, reading, etc.), particularly if you are not permanent staff. When I retired, the district “filed me” somewhere and I had to totally reapply to take a temporary job requested by the principal at the very same school. As long as I ran the switchboard and did filing of records, I was not required to have a background check. Later, when I assisted in the counseling department and met with individual students, I had to pay $50 for a background check and wait to start until I was cleared.
This may not be an issue in this case, but I didn’t want anyone to assume everybody working or volunteering at a school has automatically had a background check. The same was true for volunteers in my experience – sorting books in the library after school hours vs tutoring students on computer math games, for example.
I do not know whether this was a written policy or administrative discretion – my guess is that it is not written as such now, if it ever was. But I do know it’s the way things have worked at PPS.
@Jackie I will look for it, and maybe Blink could help out here. I know it wasn’t on FB because I don’t go to the support TH thing there. I want to state that just because I “read” it doesn’t mean it’s true, it may have been stated by someone else thinking outside the obvious…ie: what “if” TH was asked did you harm Kyron, she answered “no”, then followed up by a question about MFH later and either failed or walked out.
Like all of your I’ve read so much that it gets confusing and I sure don’t want to be the one to start another rumor, so yep I’ll be lookin’ for what I read and let you know.
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers and sister.
@ Jackie, this is not the article I read but it does give a person some thoughts other than the obvious. Now if I can just cut and paste… http://www.anorak.co.uk/253157/media/kyron-horman-tony-young-and-the-failed-police-plot-to-entrap-terri-horman.html?pid=22444#img
If that doesn’t work, just google Terri Hormon failed polygraph.
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers and sister.
I believe Terri’s silence is due to the book she might be writing. Can you imagine how much money would be in a tell all from Terri Horman? Books and a movie deal.
If Kyron is not found soon the chances of him being found grow slimer each passing day.
Red Squirrel’s life will graduate from childrens books to the big time. I know RS was her FIL writing.
Terri has made herself quite the interesting woman.
My first time to comment. I am very impressed with this sight. I have learned more about the case here than from any other. Have been posting on another blog that has turned into a warzone. Glad to be gone. I just don’t see how insulting one another’s ideas is going to make us more informed or lead us to finding this precious boy.
I am curious as to how they are monitoring the SM’s whereabouts and activities from so far way, still seems she is the main one they are looking at.
Regarding PPS background checks: I am on the PTA board for our school (PPS). Everyone who comes to the school to do anything while children are present must be background checked. The PTA pays $75 for each one. Last year we had a piece of equipment installed outside at the school and although the workers never entered the school or had any contact with the children, background checks were done for each person. I can only speak for our our school and our principal’s commitment to following policy however.
Correcting misinformation: the guy whose Multnomah County Jail booking photo was posted on this site, Anselmo Sanchez-Sanchez, is not landscaper Rudy Sanchez. Anselmo has been in federal custody on an illegal reentry charge since the beginning of March. That’s some wicked innuendo to post a photo of someone with the same, and very common last name, and then question whether he’s involved in this sad situation.
Read the post next time.
B
O Holy St. Anthony, gentlest of Saints, your love for God
and Charity for His creatures made you worthy, when on
earth, to possess miraculous powers. Miracles waited on
your word, which you were ever ready to speak for those in
trouble or anxiety. Encouraged by this thought, I implore
of you to obtain for me “to bring Kyron home”. The answer to my prayer may require a miracle. Even so, you are the saint of
Miracles.
O gentle and loving St. Anthony, whose heart was ever full
of human sympathy, whisper my petition into the ears of the
Sweet Infant Jesus, who loved to be folded in your arms, and
the gratitude of my heart will ever be yours.
address for letters of support for Kyron’s wall of hope :
Kyron’s Wall
c/o Brooks Hill Historic Church
11539 NW Skyline Blvd
Portland OR 97231
Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office accepting media questions regarding Kyron Case – 07/21/10
Sheriff Daniel Staton and Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office understands that the community and media have many questions regarding the Kyron Horman investigation. We can ensure you that our primary goal is to complete a thorough investigation. As stated in prior press releases, there are many decision points which are discussed and filtered among investigators, deputy district attorneys, command staff and other experts. Our detectives and searchers are continuing to follow-up on many leads to include establishing and verifying information relating to Kyron’s activities prior to his disappearance.
A written statement will be released no later than Friday July 23, 2010.
The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office would also like to announce that a press conference is scheduled for Tuesday July 27, 2010 at the Hanson Building located at 12240 NE Glisan Portland, Oregon. The exact time for this press conference will be announced by Friday July 23, 2010.
Present at this conference will be Chief Deputy Tim Moore and Lead Investigator of the Kyron case Sgt. Lee Gosson. The purpose of this press conference will be to provide an update of the case.
@NancyS & snapoutofit:
Sorry if I offended anyone with my suggestion of adding a FAQ section. I thought that may make it easier for Blink. I have been reading here for a long time and I have kept up with the info that has been posted on here just fine, but I know for someone just finding this blog things can be confusing.
This was my first post and it seems like everyone immediately jumps down my throat for me trying to be helpful to new readers. It was just a suggestion.
To comment on the background checks:
Very typical to run background checks on everyone who is affiliated with the school, no matter the position. At the school (*ISD) I teach at, I know for a fact everyone is screened/background checked. They don’t ask for a drug test though. Thought that was strange?
@Macy: and a good idea too. I don’t think they meant to jump down your throat, everyone is very protective here
But, I thought you had a good idea..just sayin.
Also, I will say we are regurgitating alot of info already discussed in the comments, ie. glasses, dr. appts. Somethings we just don’t know for certain and won’t know for certain until LE makes it known.
Its hard to keep moving forward in conversation when we are constantly rewinding, but maybe that will help us too? IDK. I just want this little boy to come home.
@Cathy Bickel, thanks for the link! Believe it or not, I’d actually read that one. My impression was that the writer wasn’t of the intense investigative variety since some facts were glossed over in a (mho) big way. But I like to read as much as I can, and various perspectives never hurt (well, except my eyes get dry from too much eye-rolling)
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I do understand that LDTs are not 100% accurate. I’ve read 90%, and as Graceinthehills says, two failed LDTs isn’t incontrovertible evidence, but coupled with all of the other facts and inexplicables… well, let’s just say I won’t be joining the FB support page anytime soon esp after Lisa’s report above.
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@Macy: I think your suggestion was a fine one, just not for Blink to do. I did a list of what we know that we don’t know and Blink posted it. I bet if you put one together based on what we know or good ?s asked, it would be helpful and used. Then you can just update it as info comes along. That’s what I’m trying to do, too. It helps me keep the list straight and maybe it’s helped some others. Anyway, please don’t be discouraged. I’m sure the posters weren’t jumping down your throat as much as they were speaking up for Blink because everyone knows how busy B is with three cases going.
If the sheriff’s office is scheduling a press conference for Tuesday that suggests to me that they do not expect to find Kyron by then. I was hoping they had cracked this Sanchez character and were closing in, but now I don’t think so. If that were my own little boy I surely would have lost it by now.
when Terri moved out – isnt there a strong chance she removed critical evidence?
Did LE already remove things from the home already?
I hope LE make their move soon because so far Terri has done some very drastic actions – without any concern for their consequences- I dont put anything past her now
Macy says:
July 22, 2010 at 10:41 am
This was my first post and it seems like everyone immediately jumps down my throat for me trying to be helpful to new readers. It was just a suggestion.
Hi Macy. Please don’t feel bad about your suggestion. I thought it was a good idea to try to reduce the number of repetitive posts over and over again (ie. I notice people ask about Kryon’s glasses frequently, and that the answer is always pretty much the same – we have reasons to believe that the replicas shown are his actual glasses, this is why we believe that etc.etc.).
Your idea could be like a single thread of Points of Regular Interest or FAQ. Then there could be a note from blink on whatever the most current thread is, asking readers before posting a question, to please visit the frequently asked questions thread to make sure it has not already been answered previously. Alternatively if someone asks a questions that has already been answered many times blink could just respond by saying, please see notes in the FAQ thread on this topic.
I do completely understand if people felt that was a lot of extra work or if it isn’t logistically feasible for this site at this time or wouldn’t work because of X, Y or Z, but I honestly don’t think that that makes it a bad idea. In fact I thought it was really good one.
We should all be open to feedback and ideas from others. This is how cases, websites, science, business, and many other things evolve, by people producing ideas and making suggestions. Some suggestions work and some don’t, but without people putting forth ideas and making suggestions, cases like this one don’t get solved, websites don’t improve their efficiency and user-friendliness, business don’t create new products or processes that improve their profitability.
So if you have reasons to believe someone’s idea or suggestion can’t or won’t work, or even that their idea on this case doesn’t add-up or make sense, feel free to say so and even say why you think so, but please tread gently and remember that most people on here are just regular individuals trying to be helpful and don’t deserve to be snipped at for their ideas or for having a different view point from yourself.
Article clarifies that two teachers at Skyline School reported seeing Kyron WITH TH a.m. of 6/4. Did NOT report seeing Kyron leaving school with TH.
http://www.katu.com/news/98981009.html