Kyron Horman Missing and Endangered: Grand Jury Meets, Indictment Imminent
Portland, OR- In the case of missing 7-year-old Portland child Kyron Horman, developments today continue to unfold at lightening speed.
During a poorly-kept secret convening of a special grand jury that is in session today, sources inside the investigation believe it’s triers of fact will return an indictment against Terri Horman and possibly one other individual.
It is however, unclear as to whether or not the grand jury is hearing evidence in the alleged murder for hire plot MCSO informed Kaine Horman his wife had master-minded, OR evidence surrounding the disappearance of Kaine and Desiree Young’s son Kyron.
KOIN caught Terri Horman’s friend DeDe Spicher, who was subpoenaed to appear in the proceedings this morning, on video with her attorney, entering the courthouse. Spicher was the subject of a public plea asking her to cooperate with investigators by Kaine Horman and Desiree Young last week. A neighbor of Spicher’s has confirmed the FBI has been seen removing boxes and unknown bagged material from her residence.
According to several sources, DeDe Spicher, Terri’s roommate post Kaine’s restraining order, was working in a garden near the Horman home the day of Kyron’s disappearance when she received a call at approximately 11:15 am. She left abruptly, returning at approximately 1:00 pm. DeDe was unreachable on her cell phone during that time and the property owner became concerned. Spicher is a long time friend and workout companion of Horman’s.
Earlier today, Laura Rackner, Kaine Horman’s Family Law attorney filed a motion to find out where the funds are coming from to foot the bill for Terri Horman’s high profile criminal defense attorney, Stephen Houze.
In Horman’s motion, he is seeking the disclosure of the payments made to Houze, and whether or not it came from marital funds. If it has, Kaine Horman wants half the cash to pay his own legal bills. Kaine Horman alleges that Terri Horman disclosed to a third party that she paid a whopping $350,000 retainer to Houze, however, provided no proof of same in the papers filed today.
In what appears to be a media timing coup, tonight’s episode of Dateline NBC will feature Kaine Horman, Desiree and Tony Young, with interviews and coverage of Kyron’s disappearance.
Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office Public Information Officer, Mary Lindstrand, has announced a press conference tomorrow at the MCSO Training Facility, beginning at 2:00 pm PST.
blinkoncrime editor Madeline Tanner contributed to this report
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I’m just back in. Before we drift away from the Rudy/Anselmo thing again, I left out one step in the research process:
after you get the street address of RS Landscape Maintenance, you then go to a database and do a reverse-address search that gives you names of people who live there. THEN, proceed to people-search all those for more names. And you’ll eventually find Anselmo.
That street address is a residence. It is owned by someone other than the names who live there; I presume it’s a rental. The owner obtained a building permit in 2009 I believe, to iinstall new windows.
And, I have those addresses and all. But still NO KYRON>
To add to that last comment, REVENGE was probably in the mix to as to motive/purpose. Blink, when you replied you referred to “such a disgusting plan” and of course you are absolutely right. It is disgusting.
But other than finding an alive Kyron, EVERY scenario is disgusting. And if the guilty are reading this, well hey guys, go look in the mirror and repeat after me, “I AM A DISGUSTING PERSON” about 100 times. Then think about steel bars and how they’re gonna look with your orange jumpsuit.
MOO
Some really sweet pictures of a baby Kyron are attached to this article. So precious. Come home litte man.
http://primewriter.com/news-1246-headlines/?p=8958
Annals says:
August 18, 2010 at 11:52 am
LoriD says:
August 17, 2010 at 11:25 pm
Heres a link
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thanks Annals. LOL, I read the original comment by you.. it just didn’t sink in at the time. Now I understand what you were saying. Sorry.. it must have been one of my blonde moments.
Ok…Blink said:
Make no mistake. Rudy Sanchez is involved. I say that without reservation.
B
Trying to wrap my brain around this… because there has been so much speculation solely on TH and DDS…and Lawdy, I am not saying that they are not involved. Just trying to place RS the LS in a who, what, where, and when kind of way.
My questions (and chances are the answer to these may be VERY obvious to some but not to me…)…
1. If they know that he is involved, is that how they got him involved in the sting thing? (And since he is involved, Gawd, TH must have been horrified when he showed up at the door.)
2. If they know that he is involved, how do they know – potentially by tracking previous cell phone lugs? I am wondering because he showed up kind of late on the scene in connection with the MFH story… I remember at the time a lot of people asking, where has he been with this info and why didn’t he step forward sooner… Maybe it took that long for LE to track him down and ‘entice him’ to ‘step up.’
3. If they know that he is involved… I know that someone said he went before the GJ last week… Do you think that LE is trying to get him to roll over on the other two? Maybe that is why Anselmo (who may be his relative …. I am completely guessing – and I could be completely WRONG) is being held behind bars kind of like bait? Like, you fess up/play it our way and we let him stay? And could it be way more nefarious than illegal alien status? Gangs, drugs, child trafficking? (at least with the latter, MAYBE there is the potential that dear Kyron is still with us somewhere.)
4. If they KNOW that RS is involved and they can basically present that to him with enough facts so that he would ‘participate’ in the sting, etc…then why can’t they (LE) make him tell more…or why isn’t he telling more (I realize how naive that may sound – but it is what it is …) I don’t think that you could convince me that he is willing to take the fall all by his lonesome for TH and DDS…
SO… does that mean that this is way phenomenally more complicated??? Or dangerous???
I am not trying to start rumors – just conjecturing and trying very much to understand what Rudy’s role is/could be and if ‘he knows they know’ and ‘they know that he knows they know’…why is everything so stuck…
Again – I am new to a lot of this and realize I may sound very naive…I know that I do not know a lot about how the law works and just how much you can ‘compel’ someone to tell you…but the questions still stand…just trying to understand…
It makes me ill to think that there may be – at the very least – 3 ‘adults’ involved in/responsible FOR the disappearance of a very innocent beautiful boy…and right now it is APPEARING that there is not much in the way of a conscience amongst the three of them.
Lastly, if LE knows that he is involved – well at least that is one slip up in this plan and it may mean that at some point the whole ball of wax will unravel…
There are a lot of opinions out there!! Very different ones!!
I’ve seen comments that say poor Desiree and Kaine, and I’ve seen others that say they are (at least partly) to blame. Well I’ve heard it said several times in my life that people go through stages when they lose someone: shock, grief, anger and finally acceptance (or something very similar to this). The anger part is sometimes directed at anyone they can think of to blame, and sometimes actually at the victim for leaving them behind (even though the victim couldn’t help it). I think a lot of people have become so emotionally attached to Kyron through this website and others that they are actually experiencing these stages over the loss of him (whether temporary or permanent, we don’t know yet but most of us have opinions on that too). So these reactions are understandable to me and people shouldn’t be necessarily criticized for making their comments one way or another. This is just an observation, I’m not taking sides or anything.
Another thought, in reading this and some of the other sites about the article in PM on DeDe Spicher, DeDe seems defensive of Terri in a way that doesn’t strike me as someone who is just a friend. I’m wondering if DeDe is in love with Terri and Terri knew this and used it to her advantage. Maybe DeDe isn’t directly involved in this but it does seem she knows that Terri IS. And as someone on another website pointed out, maybe DeDe knows Terri is involved but doesn’t know WHY Terri would do something like this.
It seems unlikely that DeDe would be able to speak to Terri at this point without someone knowing about it, even by secret cellphone since everything and everyone is being tracked and watched, but someone else said in another comment that maybe DeDe did the PM article as a message to Terri to let Terri know that she (DeDe) hasn’t ratted on her.
JMHO
I’m not a fan of DeDe or Terri, but you can’t blame either of them for what a reporter distills as being the main them (or lede paragraph) in a news story.
If you ask members of the media, they will tell you that they do not have any agenda. However, most will also admit that the news has be, well, *new*. For those who have been the subject of a news story, it’s difficult to see your name in print, connected to a story that has a certain tone to it, even if flattering. Reporters cannot crawl inside a subject’s head, and they are not doing the interview in order to make friends.
In the case of People Magazine, they have a subject (DeDe) who has been covered to a certain degree in broadcast and print news. All the public knows is that she is a gardener and buddy of Terri Horman. Plus, the lede story about Kyron’s disappearance for the past several weeks has been “Where’s Kyron Horman?” The natural follow-up is “who is this woman who hangs out with Terri Horman?”
To get DeDe to agree to the interview, the reporter probably said, “Hey, you’re getting killed in the media. The public needs to hear your story and get to know you as a person. When’s a good time for an interview tomorrow morning?”
DeDe appears (or the reporter appears at DeDe’s place) and they talk. DeDe probably made the appropriate chit-chat about her concern for Kyron, and she probably made small-talk before there was any discussion about her feelings.
The reporter then asks, “But hasn’t this all been a bit hard for you to be treated as a murderer by the public?” The response that follows would be the lede paragraph, because not only is it new information, it seems to give insight into way this person’s mind works.
Remember: Up until recent events, DeDe was not only seen as normal, she was well regarded to the point that her neighbors elected her president of the condo association. She was not hated by any stretch.
Neither DeDe nor Terri would ever be on my list of people to invite to my house for Thanksgiving. However, my personal biases against people who are mean to dogs (DeDe) and people who treat stepchildren as secondary to bio children (Terri) have nothing to do with the criminal matter.
As to the other issue raised about motive, I’ve been thinking about this a great deal. IMHO, the simple explanation for everything — including why this happened when it did — was revenge. Terri was mad at Kaine for James leaving their home. It doesn’t matter why James left; Terri blamed Kaine and there you go. James was coming back for a visit, and I have little doubt that this was a source of friction.
It is entirely possible that Terri furious that James was not going to return home permanently or even for an extended period, and the person she blamed was Kaine.
If Terri was involved with Kyron’s disappearance, I’m betting the reason she did it — *IF* she did it — was to teach Kaine a lesson: “You took my son away from me. Let’s see how you like having your son taken from you.” Whatever other events surrounded the disappearance would have also been motivated by her need for payback. Hypothetically speaking, of course.
@ChiaPet517
When CSI came out many years ago I’d never seen anything like it. It kept me involved for several years. After all the drama, the gory details (often could not watch), etc., the procedures fascinated me… the incredible use of technology and forensics to solve what captures my human interest – a good “whodunnit.” And being a techie type, I’d never seen such cool use of technology in detective work. Lift a print with tape, scan into database, lightning speed recognition. Wow.
Like most TV shows, it got old for me. I moved on to Criminal Minds because I like what makes people tick. OK, I also love Dr. Spencer Reid.
Back to CSI and this case: Your words ring so true to me, ChiaPet517. I’m sorry they do because it means Kyron is not coming back to his Mom and Dad. (I pray I’m wrong). But I share almost the exact same theories as you. These nut cases were sickly caught up in this show. I mean TMH and DDS. Maybe there are others too in their “circle.” I know people who have American Idol groups, get all caught up in that.
I have no theory on motive except that irrational people do irrational things. I have believed all along that TMH is a sociopath and narcissist. Played the perfect Mom game until she was tired of it. Boring, made her fat, missed her freedom, guys, whatever. Roadblocks to her could be removed. She meets her sister soul-mate (not necessarily in a sexual way) and, well… you describe it well. No one wants to believe what cruelty and horror happen every day in this world, but reality can suck big time. MOO too.
@newsatfive
While your legal knowledge may be appreciated, your antagonistic, “really?” know-it-all delivery is not.
In all your prolific posts here and on O-Live you make your concern for Terri H’s rights and predicament abundantly clear, yet where is that same fangs-bared concern with Kyron’s predicament and his rights?
newsatfive says (quote)“Terri has not seen Kiara since late June. In a few months, Terri will have very little chance of getting primary placement (“custody”) of Kiara. Little kids need frequent contact with a parent in order to maintain a relationship with that person”. (/quote)
How much contact has little Kyron had with his parents since June 4th?
newsatfive says (quote)“Clients brag and bull**** in divorce cases. Terri is no fool. She knew Kaine Horman and Michael Cook went way back. What’s to say she didn’t start the affair – if there was one at all – as revenge? What’s to say she didn’t make the whole $350,000 number up? Terri had a very simple motive to lie, and that was to save face. Kaine had just taken her daughter and was trying to make her look like crap. So, Terri starts smack-talking. (/quote)
Why give Kaine all the credit? Terri has done a fine job of making herself “look like crap”. Let’s see… Kyron is missing, failed lie detector tests, an alleged murder-for-hire plot, sexting/possible affair with MC, Terri’s attempt at taking Kiara from a gym without permission… Yes it seems Terri has motive to lie – but possibly more to do with saving her a$$, rather than saving face. I am more concerned with what other actions TH may have taken – “as revenge”, aside from the MC debacle.
Now, that’s not to say we have the whole picture, or that TH is guilty. But, this is a thread for a missing little boy, Kyron Horman, not a courtroom. Many view all the above examples, from a common-sense standpoint and kinda figure if it dodges about like a squirrel, barks like a squirrel… it’s probably a squirrel.
You have made the point that Terri should not be tried in the court of public opinion – yet many of your comments indicate you are doing the same in regard to Kaine.
My opinion is every person and avenue is fair game to explore and question until it is known what happened to Kyron. My concern is Kyron’s rights. Kyron had the right to play and enjoy a carefree summer, he had the right to be loved, he had the right not to have his innocence stolen from him, the right to look forward to a new school year, the right to be safe and protected. And he had (hopefully still has) the right to enjoy a bright future. If any of these people are directly responsible and/or withholding info about what happened to Kyron – I don’t give a $hit about what their legal rights are.
DeDe’s concern for precious Terri’s safety sounds like that of a lover, not just a friend.
46.Laurel Canyon says:
August 18, 2010 at 7:08 pm
@newsatfive
While your legal knowledge may be appreciated, your antagonistic, “really?” know-it-all delivery is not.
In all your prolific posts here and on O-Live you make your concern for Terri H’s rights and predicament abundantly clear, yet where is that same fangs-bared concern with Kyron’s predicament and his rights?…….
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I most certainly agree with your points in above post. Thank you for the reminder of our dear Kyron, the boy who’s rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness taken away from him.
@Chia
I thought your entire post was interesting and I appreciate your thoughts, it does make sense. For those like me that come to this site, I couldn’t possibly put something together like you and a lot of posters here do. You guys are awesome. I come here because of the emotional attachment I’ve developed to Kyron. (God be with him).
How I wish that one day – soon – I can read something like your post on a newspaper under a title that reads: KYRON HORMAN FOUND.
Oh, and BTW, I agree with your take on TH and DD. 100%.
Laurel Canyon says:
August 18, 2010 at 7:08 pm
My concern is Kyron’s rights.
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Amen, sister.
@Laurel Canyon
I appreciate everyone’s perspective regarding this case. Your response to @newsatfive’s legal view of the case against Teri Horman was helpful because it really highlighted the difficulty with some of these horrible cases involving children: we might know in our “hearts” that a particular person(s) is involved, but in our legal system, strong beliefs based on solid common sense are not enough without sufficient evidence.
Unfortunately, at this stage it is impossible for us mere bystanders to know what evidence has been obtained by LE. All we can do is use our hearts and heads to continue trying to piece together what might have happened and who could be responsible. Newsatfive’s contributions help illuminate the legal issue involved, which will ultimately determine whether the person(s) involved in Kyron’s disappearance can be charged for their crimes.
Thankfully Blink has created this site where we can all discuss our thoughts regarding the thing that matters most: Kyron.
B,
And thanks for your reply about not trumping LE. Appreciate it.
beejay says:
August 18, 2010 at 4:06 pm
TO ALL ABOUT RUDY AND ANSELMO:
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Thanks, Beejay for excavating the old posts on Rudy & Anselmo. Also for the primer on how you arrived there in your next post.
Whoaaaa Laurel Canyon. You’re my kinda girl/guy. I tried to say the same thing this morning but not nearly as effectively. Thanks.
@Laurel Canyon
Your post – I’m sure – echoes the thoughts and feelings of many. Thank you.
Blink, you said; “…Mr. A. Sanchez, and what he is the BOP for currently, is featured in several comments, including source links within this site, and frankly, I am over having others repost the same stuff over and over again. …” -Aug 18 3:25pm
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I am guilty of reposting the same stuff over and over again. I apologise for that.
Blink, or anyone who knows; What are the source links within this site you refered to? Are they the links in the left side bar under the heading, Categories?
22.elpaso says:
August 18, 2010 at 12:03 pm
@mag603 – The pair also assumed they were under surveillance. “Any conversations that we wanted to have, we’d go out into the yard,” Spicher says. “When we were in the house, we’d talk about the kids, we’d talk about her marriage, talked about her family.”
That was the exact quote that stood out to me as well…if they had “nothing to hide”, why go to the yard to avoid surveillance? Besides kids, her marriage, and family what else would there be to talk about!!!
DeDe’s attorney should not have allowed this interview to happen…the appearance is that DeDe is talking b/c she craves attention but is leaving a trail of damaging comments
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Well, I can think of at least one major subject in her life that she’d want to talk about with a trusted friend outside of LE ears, bugs & other assorted surveillance:
Kaine specificly.
Yes, DeDe says they spoke about her marriage in-house, but if I were Terri – I’d certainly want to “download” or spout about Kaine `personally`outside of LE ears … especially given that when she was served with the divorce papers and RO just before DeDe moved in she became well aware that LE was feeding him info on her. Apparently, they were feeding him info on DeDe too (whether false or not – remember they can do that in the course of their investigation all quite legally)as he flat out stated in his next news conference that `DeDe was not cooperating“ … Yep, I`d be sure to be talking about him òut of surveillance range`. That wouldn`t make me a murderer.
Ooooops, sorry. Was typing up a french work document & negelcted to set back to english on my last post.
Most noteworthy is the part in article of observation – Terri took the time to print the Kyron’s photograph so quickly.
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I wondered about that myself but then figured that maybe she showed the pic from her cell phone or Ipod. Was there any verification anywhere that showed it was an actual picture? If it was, I think that would be very telling.
@49.Chianme ….i’m so with you on the CSI thing and leaving for Criminal Minds for the exact same reason of Dr Reed. I’m completely drawn to him. On a personal note…I majored in Psych…I got a B.A. and wanted to get a Ph.D in Forensic Psych. I couldn’t fathom life in NYC so I thought I didn’t have the stomach. Here I am several years later still compelled by the mystery of it all. Maybe I should’ve continued.
I am sickened that little Ky is still missing and I can’t project why anymore.
@newsatfive – thank you. it’s nice to see someone else questioning the “sheep party” line.
I’m still convinced we’re being fed… and most are chowing down without stopping to really consider how poisoned it might be, or who has the most to gain.
Kudos to Laurel Canyon
@RichM- OMG, I seldom laugh when I’m on this site…but “miss a meal” and “Moooo” ing, “all innocent like” caused me to choke on my coffee… Moooo, indeed.
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@Emmy- re: your quote ”We were very worried for her life. There were death threats against her. And again, whoever has taken Kyron is still out there and could be after her, too,” Spicher, 43, tells PEOPLE in an exclusive new interview.”
Kinda sounds suspiciously OJ-like, huh?
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When KH and DY were holding PCs, and kept this case in the headlines, it didn’t seem like it was going cold (even though only limited info was released). Now it seems like Ky is disappearing off the media’s radar. I am concerned and discouraged.
This is limbo…really…a surreal zombie-hell. I do so wish that Kyron would come home.
at the the link posted back a ways:
http://thesop.org/story/opinion/2010/08/18/why-a-mob-mentality-an-irrational-hatred-for-dede-spicher-and-terri-horman.php
author John Kays states Terri showed Andrea a “print pic” and stated “she must have gone home first and printed the pic”?
no where does it say a “print pic” in Andreas statement..she said “During the conversation, Leckey said Terri mentioned just coming from the science fair at Skyline School, even showing her the now well-known picture of her step-son, Kyron.”
The pic could have been on a digital camera or on her phone. Kays defends her and DD, does he know something we don’t?
“The only thing that I think was significant about that time is that she showed me a picture of Kyron next to his project,” said Leckey.
“I think the thing that seems odd about it perhaps is that we were just passing each other by and in a few seconds, with her daughter being sick in her arms, made a point to show me the picture.”
Dee says:
August 18, 2010 at 7:24 pm
DeDe’s concern for precious Terri’s safety sounds like that of a lover, not just a friend.
Wow Dee! Spot on. Doesn’t it sound as if DS is playing the role of the strong brave knight protecting his love? DS sleeps downstairs with the weapon close (fire extinguisher?) to be ready for an intruder who may creep but the lovely damsel is in the tower (upstairs). You gotta get by big D to get to her. I can see an imbalance in this relationship.
How long do you think it will take Desiree to demand the truth from Kaine?
She already knows what a liar he is.
Does Kyron mean enough to her to fight for him?
Laurel Canyon says: August 18, 2010 at 7:08 pm
“@newsatfive ….In all your prolific posts here and on O-Live…”
WTH? I do NOT have an account on Oregonlive, and I have *NEVER* posted there. You are clearly confusing me with somebody else.
You also are very wrong about what I think of the people involved. I don’t like Terri, DeDe or Michael Cook. I want Kyron to come home to his parents more than you would ever know. He should be with his parents and doing all the summertime stuff that kids do this time of year.
What you call “fangs bared” is nothing of the sort. There are people making assumptions and assertions without basis. The question I was answering was as to the abatement, and whether the motion prejudiced (or in lay terms, “hurt”) one parent more than the other.
My criticism was of Laura Rackner, who appears to be filing motions to raise the public’s ire about Terri when there are much simpler, more effective, and less expensive ways to get things done. What purpose is served by essentially filing a motion that says, “Just a reminder: Terri Horman still sucks.”
If her goal is to get the divorce done then do it, get it done and keep the posturing out of the media. If she is trying to help find Kyron, then how does her motion about the source of attorney’s fees get to that issue? It doesn’t.
Rackner can get the same information a lot more quickly — and without going through discovery procedures — by filing a motion to establish child support. Such a motion would necessarily force Terri to turn over far more information (all amounts and sources of income) than Terri would likely have to furnish in response to Rackner’s current motion. Rackner’s current motion runs up against issues of privilege and the rights of third parties, including anyone relative (if any) who might have paid Terri’s legal fees, but whose assistance would not otherwise be considered income.
WOW…WOW…WOW..a must read:
http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/jasonw.pdf
Huh. This is fascinating:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/dede_spichers_former_boyfriend.html
snip’d
Jason Wishert, who has volunteered as a child’s advocate in Multnomah County for more than a decade, said he dated Spicher for about 10 months, and they had even talked of marriage, but their relationship fell apart in early August 2009.
“My mouth was agape. I couldn’t believe what I was seeing,” Wishert recalled. “I thought, ‘Oh my gosh, there’s two things that investigators should look at.’ ”
He provided investigators with the name of a close confidante of Spicher, and an address in the 12700 block of Northwest Bishop Road in Washington County where Spicher had lived with an aunt after she moved to Portland from Klamath Falls. The Bishop Road address was one of the addresses investigators searched.
OK…..y’all got me again!! Regarding Anselmo…what is BOP!!??
(Blink..thanks for your web site, patience and input…much appreciated!!)
Couple of things:
I haven’t seen anywhere where Andrea Leckey said that TH showed her a printed/paper photo. According to the Oregonian, she said that TH “showed me a picture.” I think it’s reasonable to surmise that the picture was either on her phone, or a digital camera that she had in her purse, pocket or hand.
Also, I haven’t seen anywhere that TH paid her lawyer $350,000. The only information I’ve read is a text from TH to MC that says that’s the amount that her lawyer “costs.” The number could easily refer to an estimate Houze had given her for some cases that he handles. It’s reasonable to surmise, I think, that she has only paid a fraction of that amount as a retainer. Thus, I don’t get the ruckus over “where she got” the alleged money.
Also, I didn’t actually see B say that RS was involved in Kyron’s disappearance. Just that he is “involved.” In the MFH? The sting? TH’s life? Can you clarify, B? Many thanks.
I will put this out again:
Maybe the FM parking lot could have been the hand-off point for the parties involved? TH’s time line puts her there rather quickly after the Science Fair (I will NOT say expo as we don’t have those down here re school fairs and its hurts my tongue to say the word). LE is focused on FM 1&2 and the areas a white truck parked in relation to Skyline Elementary. This could be a meet-up spot at school to be taken to a new rendezvous point at FM to clarify some detail, reconvene, etc..
What do yall fellow blinkers think about this?
Aah shucks, but Blink said that a certain someone (TH?) was not capable of putting dear Kyron into a vortex feet from his classroom. So maybe I’m wrong, but…I do feel like FM was a meeting spot for some parties involved.
As far as motive
Don’t know if anyone’s posted this yet but Jason Wishart, DeDe’s ex-boyfriend, has sent a long letter describing all he knows about DeDe to the Oregonion. He has also been posting and answering questions on Scared Monkeys under the name “Slaphappypappy”. He does not think she is capable of harming Kyron and describes her as being of good character but then says he lost total respect for her when she changed 180 degrees after losing her job. He never heard DeDe mention the Hormans. Says she is emotionally gullible. He believes that Kyron is alive and being held somewhere.
He has a fencing business and is a child advocate who has been appointed six times by the state supreme court. He went to a Catholic school for a couple of years and talks about God alot. He is actively involved in a Mexican orphanage called Pimpollo along with John Kerr (seems I’ve read that name mentioned here but can’t remember where). He seems like the most upstanding person you could ever want to meet…a little too upstanding for my suspicious nature so I researched him. Found out that he is the son of William Kent Wishart who pled guilty and was convicted on child pornography charges last September.
Jason is involved with the Christian Children’s Fund based in Virginia and he went to Buckingham City high school in Virginia. I’m wondering if he might be “HopeinVA”.
uhoh…messed up. cooking, planning a camping trip, and trying to keep up with all yall amazing blinkers caught me up.
“motive” will come soon, thx!
@Satori – Hold on there, many many apologies for I seem to have really offended you and that certainly wasn’t my intention. My post was misinterpreted. I was speaking from my experience working in childrens services and what I’ve seen there. I agree, some of the worst horrors in the world are committed by white people, look at what we’re dealing with Kyron. Again my apologies.
Teri hired the LS for MFH plot. Now Kyron goes missing and LE found out about LS.
If LS was involved in Kyron’s case, why would he agree to do a sting? I’m sure he was given a lie detector test for both the MFH and Kyron’s case.
If he failed on the MFH plot…no sting
If he failed on Kyron ..would LE still continue with sting?
I’m trying to figure out how LS fits into Kyron’s case. I think he would of blabbed any info he had on that, like he did with the MFH. He testified before the GJ and if he would have told all he knows about Kyron, then wouldn’t Teri be arrested by now? I think the only info he had was about the MFH.
Teri must have been hell-bent on hurting Kaine. Who would plan a MFH with someone she hardly knows then, 6 months later do something to “disappear” her stepson. Didn’t she think LE would find out about that?
I still think motive is money. Life insurance…failed. School…million dollar lawsuit. Her emails were clearly stating that.
I wasn’t near the school when this happened between 9-10, I thought he was in safe hands.
{I’ve registered on scared monkeys a few days ago….can anyone put in a good word for me?}
@kitjcat117
Time for a little levity. Dr. Reid is definitely “awesome”. I love when he stares at graphics, photos or numbers and you see his brilliant mind deciphering clues no normal person sees. Algorithms! No problem for him. Smart men are such an aphrodisiac.
In my next life (should I be so lucky) I wish to study the mind and get paid for what I am drawn to – psychology. Those were my favorite classes when I was training to be a teacher. Even my grandmother used to say she wished she’d been a psychologist:)
Yeah, I’d rather study weird minds than witness autopsies.LOL
Snapoutofit writes: “You (Mrs Blink) had posted Anselmo’s pic long ago on your website, and didn’t you say he worked for Rudy at RS Landscape? Is he the 3rd party? Or are the parties still Terri, DeDe, and Rudy? Please confirm. Why is Ansemlo even brought up? Was he only put in prison for illegal border crossing or were there sexual crimes he was arrested for?”
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/douchebaggery
OOPS! Time for another complication.
“PORTLAND, Ore. – Investigators have learned they have reason to believe it was not DeDe Spicher, the friend of Kyron Horman’s stepmother Terri Moulton Horman, who was seen in a truck the morning Kyron disappeared, according to sources.
Investigators are working on following up on tips they received since last week’s news conference about the person seen on June 4….”
“Sources” again providing info. to the media. This one from:
http://www.katu.com/news/local/101040699.html
Aug. 18, 2010 7:22pm
I would just like to say that it has been and still is very obvious that Terri and Dede have a thing for each other. Only Terri is a serious tease and worked to get a few other guys involved in her life and in the disappearence of Kyron…which always brings me back to this point KAINE KNEW SOMETHING WAS UP.
The only truly innocent parent here is Desiree and if I were her I’d be suing the pants off of Kaine for neglect. Just saying. She’s the MOM. He’s the control freak.
I have a brain part that cannot deal with this Third Person that gets referenced. Someone qualified to rearrange brains (or just willing to give it a try) please help me again. From the same KATU article I just referenced, it says, referring to the Investigators:
“They also want to know if a third person is tied to Kyron’s disappearance.”
First person is who?
Second person is who?
I’ll be eternally grateful.
link: http://www.katu.com/news/local/101040699.html
I don’t think its fair to beat up on NewsatFive just because he/she sounds like a lawyer. I think its very helpful to hear how all the gobbledygook will be interpreted in a court of law. While I may not like everything I read on News’ posts, I don’t believe he/she is attempting to get us to forget Kyron or the rights of children.
I would rather read News’ painfully truthful statements than childish gossip about whether DeDe’s caring for her friend results from her desire to get in her pants and the unending sophomoric giggles and twitter about how fat DeDe and Terri are.
I read DeDe’s ex boyfriends letter this evening and found nothing overly telling. He said that when DeDe lost her job last year (spring?-don’t remember exactly, sorry) that he lost respect for her because she quit working out and gained weight. He doesn’t exactly sound like much of a supportive, caring boyfriend. He also said he did not believe DeDe could ever hurt anyone, let alone a child. I’m sure he’s waiting for a call for People or someone who will give him his 15 minutes.
@beejay says on August 18, 2010 at 5:45 pm #49
May I say to you, “Great job researching those breadcrumbs, connecting the dots!”
Laurel Canyon says: “If any of these people are directly responsible and/or withholding info about what happened to Kyron – I don’t give a $hit about what their legal rights are.”
I agree with everything you said up to the last sentence. The problem, of course, with not caring about their legal rights is that they might escape the legal consequences due them. But as a statement of passion, we probably all agree.
@Newsatfive: The adult and personally accountable thing to do right now is of course to admit that I was speculating. Clearly I do not have the same knowledge of the law as you do and being a “naive” person to that I do not have the understanding of the law that you do. I believe I put my MOO on there and I do not speak as anything but a layperson when it comes to law issues.
That said, I was about 120 posts behind and since reading more of your explanations I understand your POV much better. You of the legal mind are thinking of TMHs legal rights. I think many of us take issue with that because we believe that the legal rights of the children involved should take president.
IMO the motion filed by Rackner suggests it is done in the best interest of Kiara even if there was a measure of posturing. Whether LE lied to Kaine or not he was doing what a responsible parent would/should do in that situation-remove himself and child from the immediate setting. There was some mention in some news report of “figuring the rest of this out later” around that time and IMO that will/should be done. I did agree that the rights of Terri seemed to be emphasized in the bifurcation/abatement were believed to be more important than that of the child (Kiara). That should not be the case IMO.
The fact that the divorce was not contested does not bother me as much as the wording of the laws to the effect of (paraphrased as I have not looked it up again) that it is up to one party or the other to consider various motions that are put in front of the court. To me it seems far too arbitrary.
Additionally the 350K, while possibly elevated just for Terris sense of self important, does beg a question. She didnt get Joe Schmoe to represent her, she got Houze who is known for high profile and high dollar cases (even sued former client for non payment.) If I were Kaine, I would be wondering if it were 10K let alone 350K to pay someone to defend her. Why? Because of the potential tap into maritial assets (whether it squirreled away funds or money from her biz etc.) I think BECAUSE she had put in the motion to have KH cover her expenses, KH lawyer was obligated to request the source of funding for the criminal lawyer. If they are dividing income, isnt it convenient for Terri if the money spent for a high priced lawyer comes from some money she socked away and now does not have to add into the marital income mix? Too poor to pay to move out and yet you can buy Houze to represent? KWIM? I do not feel Rackner is “bleeding him dry” but rather is well within the rights to ASK. Do I think we will ever know the source of that money based on legal terms? Not necessarily (and what do *I* know of the law? Next to nothing.)
The initial legal proceedings were believed to force Terri to talk and she hasnt talked. Sure KH may be responsible for her divorce proceedings, maybe not. But what are your personal thoughts on the payment for criminal proceedings? (I am most curious to know as you have some understanding of the law taht I do not posess.)
IF <big IF, Dede and TMH have some knowledge of the whos and whats of Kyrons disappearance I absolutely believe that there is no good excuse for not telling every GD thing you know about what happened to him, mainly because I am pissed about Kyrons rights being violated above all else. Does the 5th amendment allow for hampering an investigation because your ass might get locked up? Well yes I am thinking maybe it does.
I think that is part of what is behind what everyone is mad about. It just seems like these people know more, could be telling more, but do not because of the 5th and because it might incriminate them. And in the meantime Kyron it STILL missing and his rights do not mean SHIT to these adults.
I hope News@five you will consider again that I was speculating. This is a site that seems to allow for that and by no means was I speaking as any sort of authority on the subject. I have gleaned a lot from your subsequent posts and it has cleared up a few things you have said in my mind.
Now, where the EFF is Kyron?
3.nate0419 says:
August 17, 2010 at 6:20 pm
Nate, I’ve been thinking about James, too, and wondering what he must be feeling. IMO, the circumstances surrounding James didn’t have much influence on whatever happened to Kyron, but TH has certainly brought him into the equation through her words and how that must hurt! I’m wondering if it will hurt him academically, too, b/c how can he concentrate on studies while worrying about his little bro? If James did factor into TH’s vindictiveness toward KH, which possibly led to Kyron’s disappearance, the irony is that James has been hurt deeply by this – more deeply so than being sent away. And, I think, TH has lost her son forever, even if Kyron is eventually found alive. I hope for everyone’s sake, he is found soon!
In an effort to be more of an active participant here
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RE: The picture of Kyron TH showed AL in the FM parking lot. Every news article I’ve read (I think I hit’em all) about the encounter makes no reference to TH showing her a “print” only that she showed her a “picture”. There have been posts on other non-news sites about a printed picture. But I would imagine TH simply showed her the picture stored on her camera/phone. If I am wrong please correct me.
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RE: Blink’s post on the arrest of Anselmo Sanchez: http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/07/14/kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-landscaper-rudy-sanchez-knew-kyron/
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RE: the DDS People Mag interview: http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20413793,00.html
The reference to conversations occurring outside can be viewed as suspicious, but given her situation, TH has a reason to be concerned about everything she says and how it could be interpreted. Especially since a lot of her behavior has been questionable/inappropriate (and possibly misrepresented, e.g. the possibility that the texted “nude” photos to MC may have been bodybuilding pics, still odd behavior) during a time her I think her sole focus should on the missing stepson she raised from a very early age.
However, I did found one DDS quote very interesting:
“…And again, whoever has taken Kyron is still out there and could be after her, too…”
The concern about the public threats I get, but why would “whoever has taken Kyron” be after TH? I don’t know that the logical thoughts of a parent (bio or step) of a missing child, or for that matter their friends/relatives (i.e. DDS), would be that they could be “next”. Could there be a reason DDS/TH think “whoever has taken Kyron” would be a threat to TH? Hmmm…
God Bless and keep you close Kyron, wherever you are.