Kyron Horman Missing and Endangered: Grand Jury Meets, Indictment Imminent
Portland, OR- In the case of missing 7-year-old Portland child Kyron Horman, developments today continue to unfold at lightening speed.
During a poorly-kept secret convening of a special grand jury that is in session today, sources inside the investigation believe it’s triers of fact will return an indictment against Terri Horman and possibly one other individual.
It is however, unclear as to whether or not the grand jury is hearing evidence in the alleged murder for hire plot MCSO informed Kaine Horman his wife had master-minded, OR evidence surrounding the disappearance of Kaine and Desiree Young’s son Kyron.
KOIN caught Terri Horman’s friend DeDe Spicher, who was subpoenaed to appear in the proceedings this morning, on video with her attorney, entering the courthouse. Spicher was the subject of a public plea asking her to cooperate with investigators by Kaine Horman and Desiree Young last week. A neighbor of Spicher’s has confirmed the FBI has been seen removing boxes and unknown bagged material from her residence.
According to several sources, DeDe Spicher, Terri’s roommate post Kaine’s restraining order, was working in a garden near the Horman home the day of Kyron’s disappearance when she received a call at approximately 11:15 am. She left abruptly, returning at approximately 1:00 pm. DeDe was unreachable on her cell phone during that time and the property owner became concerned. Spicher is a long time friend and workout companion of Horman’s.
Earlier today, Laura Rackner, Kaine Horman’s Family Law attorney filed a motion to find out where the funds are coming from to foot the bill for Terri Horman’s high profile criminal defense attorney, Stephen Houze.
In Horman’s motion, he is seeking the disclosure of the payments made to Houze, and whether or not it came from marital funds. If it has, Kaine Horman wants half the cash to pay his own legal bills. Kaine Horman alleges that Terri Horman disclosed to a third party that she paid a whopping $350,000 retainer to Houze, however, provided no proof of same in the papers filed today.
In what appears to be a media timing coup, tonight’s episode of Dateline NBC will feature Kaine Horman, Desiree and Tony Young, with interviews and coverage of Kyron’s disappearance.
Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office Public Information Officer, Mary Lindstrand, has announced a press conference tomorrow at the MCSO Training Facility, beginning at 2:00 pm PST.
blinkoncrime editor Madeline Tanner contributed to this report
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CentralORMom says:
August 19, 2010 at 12:26 pm
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A lot of this theory sounds plausible except that I still don’t think that they messed up and changed plans – MOO… because I just think that if a lot were done on the fly then more or at least one or several mistakes would have been made that LE might have been picked up on by now… This whole thing, at least for me, just seems start-to-finish premeditated.
And I do agree that the motive seems to be both revenge (Kaine) and money (school.) Although I sometimes wonder if TH didn’t get herself in way over her head with the LS and he backed her into a corner (granted a corner that most/many would have alerted ‘the authorities’ about getting out of….)…that MIGHT explain why … ok – I am making an assumption here (and yes i know what happens when you make those…egg on my face…but anyway)…maybe that is why LE was trying to exclude DS from the ‘in the truck in the school parking lot’ scenario…because someone else was there – potentially LS… and was potentially LS there to make sure TH did not get cold feet and/or slip up? Maybe I am giving him too much credit…
Re JW, he contradicts himself about eighteen ways to Sunday which makes what he shares dubious at best… never mind that a mound of what he shares is irrelevant and self-serving. He seems like a real sport. MOO. Double MOO.
@twink
twinkletoes says:
August 19, 2010 at 11:37 am
What a dream! I want into your subconscious mind tonite and I’m bringing cbickel in and we’re gonna MOOOOO so loud in your dream that the rest of the Blinksters can’t even be heard! (or HERD)
RFLMAO
@Annals RE: Second lawn guy who Terry did not call back.
Thank you for that link. Now it’s all coming back to me. I remember thinking, “Well I guess she didn’t call ’cause he cared about kids.” JMOO
I never want to start some rumor that could ruin a person’s life. The guy referred to in the link had nothing to do with hurting a child. I believe he is an honest business man and child advocate.
RE the ties to a Mexican orphanage, such ties really aren’t all that uncommon. I myself have ties to a Mexican orphanage through a non-profit group my uncle created. He lives in California and drives down to the orphanage every weekend with building materials and supplies. It’s a small world. And there are lots of orphanages in Mexico. Just tossing in some context.
@Donna E
RE: DeDe’s so-called boyfriend (ex)- no more men!
But the media helps put the puzzles together. He made some very interesting comments about DeDe, don’t you think?
And yes, where is Kyron?
@lyla:
I just searched BOP inmate locator again. Anselmo Sanchez-sanchez is in fact there. You have to spell his name that way to pull it up. Or, use his prison Register #72474-065. That prisoner ID no. is supposed to go with him as he gets moved around now.
@Dee: You said in part:
“…Regarding Jason WishErt and William Kent WishArt, a search at Intelius, Whitepages.com and Ancestry.com shows that William Kent’s wife, Linda, appears to have a son named Jason William WishArt who is the same age as WishErt….”
SO, you start a search with Wm Kent WishArt, and find a woman presumed to be his wife, you than get to a name Jason William WishArt. And now he is presumed to be Linda’s (and William’s) son. And Jason William WishArt is THE EXACT SAME AGE AS WILLIAM JASON WISHERT who owns Embassy Enterprises and is a child advocate for Multnomah County.
OK. There are several problems with this, the simplest being that the assumption has been made that because two people with similar names who just happen to be the SAME AGE must therefore be the SAME PERSON!!
Ta-dah–NOT. I am the same age as several other people with similar names to me–and yet, we are not the same person. Think about it.
@angelab: I find the insertion of JW into this situation a bit odd as well. Someone else mentioned a person named “Kerr” or some such who was reportedly an ex of DDS and he was a part of that same group that goes to the Mexican orphanages. I am confused now as to whom it was in that Pimpollo group (I think that is what it is called) that DDS was and wasnt involved with since JW alludes to her not having had any other boyfriends previously? The “home base” for this group is directly down the road from Skyline elementary and as someone else pointed out previously, they even did a mission down in Mexico in June but we werent sure of the dates. Also, some sickos have kids that are whacked out just like them and others do not. I wonder if this particular JW is the son of the kiddie porn guy or not and whether he is one of the whacked ones.
Color me confused.
As far as the KH/TMH divorce thing (relevant to Kyron) I reflect on how many of us believed that LE was trying to flush info out of Terri. It did not work, but I think it was mainly because she has the lawyer buffer now. I would be surprised if she appears in any court at all. I hope she slips up soon because I feel she knows much more about this issue than she is willing to let onto.
More on WishArt/WishErt…if you go to embassyenterprises.biz, click on “giving back”, then click on “what they’re saying”, you will find 3 pages of letters of recommendation. On page 3 you will find the letter from Robin de Alicante, the CRB coordinator from the Judicial Department that I reference in #7, and also another letter dated June 16, 2006 from Kelly (no last name), the CRB volunteer resource coordinator. In BOTH letters, Jason is referred to as WishArt. The 2002 letter from Alicante states that Jason became involved with the CRB 10 years previously or roughly 1992, when he would have been 24 (very few 24 year old young men would volunteer for this…most other CRB volunteers are women). Non-government business recommendations refer to him as WishErt. His company was started in 1993, a year after he volunteered with CRB as a child advocate and the likely date of the subtle change in spelling.
Please also notice his connection with “Pimpollo”, the Mexican orphanage partly headed by John Kerr of Oregon. He began sponsoring orphans there when he was in his 20s. You will see on Kerr’s facebook a friend named “James Grant WishArt”. James is the son of William Kent Wishart of child porn fame, and Linda Wishart. He is also the brother of William Jason WishArt, (dob 12/2/68, same age and location as WishErt). Oregon licensing board lists a William Jason WishErt as the licensee for Embassy Enterprises.
42.beejay says:
August 18, 2010 at 10:58 pm
I have a brain part that cannot deal with this Third Person that gets referenced. Someone qualified to rearrange brains (or just willing to give it a try) please help me again. From the same KATU article I just referenced, it says, referring to the Investigators:
“They also want to know if a third person is tied to Kyron’s disappearance.”
First person is who?
Second person is who?
I’ll be eternally grateful.
link: http://www.katu.com/news/local/101040699.html
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Just a guess: TH,RS,AS
40.LPB says:
August 19, 2010 at 2:12 pm
Anselmo was released 7/29/2010:
http://www.mcso.us/PAID/BookingDetail.aspx?ID=j2fROvstUkZ9eSRaCJS85w==
So confused!
Why was he being held?
Why was he released?
Any info?
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Correct if I’m wrong; Illegal, Transferred to BOP (Bureau of Prisons)in Sheridan, Oregon.
@puzzled: thanks so much about investigators’ candidates for #1,#2, and #3(that position now open…). With Terri undeclared openly by LE, I’m never sure that she goes there. And maybe she doesn’t. Maybe she’s still under scrutiny. Maybe #1 and #2 are Rudy and Anselmo.
Maybe a mainstream media reporter is not a meticulous writer.
lol, I thought the same when I read that- I was like.. a 3rd? Who are one and two, as I see lotsa lawyering and not so much arresting.
B
@lyla – the only possible reason for releasing that info to the media is to provoke someone else into talking. Could LE be trying to insinuate to Perp #2 (or #3, whatever number we’re on these days) that Dede hasn’t kept her mouth quite as shut as her accomplices had hoped?
I dunno. That’s all I got.
32.barista says:
August 18, 2010 at 9:59 pm
@ barista: Good point regarding TH’s lawyer fees. She could have exaggerated the amount to MC to appeal to his sympathies, too, in hopes he might help support her financially.
Rich M also made some good points about TH’s resources to pay the hefty atty fees – possibility she has money “squirreled away” & attempt to make KH pay her fees. If she couldn’t get her ex to pay, why not try to wheedle it out of someone else?
BTW, whenever I read posts on this site, why do I get thirsty for milk?
MOO
LPB – re Anselmo being released on 7/29/2010
I don’t know where he is now – Blink probably does.
I do know for future reference, however, that anyone who comes in or goes out of Multnomah County goes through the Multnomah County jail in downtown Portland and is “processed” to whatever happens next.
The Multnomah Co. jail information is updated every 24 hours sometime after midnight, usually by 8 or 9 AM. I would trust them on the entry information, but sometimes the release information about where they’ve gone isn’t as accurate.
This page says “Release Reason: US Marshall”. It could mean a US Marshall was taking him elsewhere and he wasn’t being transferred through our local corrections system. I don’t really know, except that it may not mean he walked out the door a free man.
Perhaps someone else knows where he currently is?
So today we have DeDe’s ex:
I read his statement and I don’t think that there is too much to it. Yeah, according to him he’s hit some finacial hardtimes too, so maybe he’s looking to make a buck??? However, a lot has been said about his character so far because he left DD after she became alledgedly, “depressed.” But DD and him were only dating for 10 months, if DD changed dramatically and he wasn’t interested anymore, I don’t think that makes him a scum bag. He didn’t divorce her, he moved on.
I also think that this is more of a character analysis on DeDe, he honestly defends her. But reading between the lines, what I saw was that DD was in a low place in her life for awhile, so the fact that she became close to TH wasn’t too surprising. I also felt that he “hinted” that DD may not have been interested in men any longer… A theory I personally don’t think matters too much, but for those that do…he hinted at it.
My MOO:
From the beginning (which I have shared some of before, but it keeps getting brought up) is pretty much confirmed by what ‘I’ interpreted from his accounts of DD’s character, that she was a bit of a loner, and probably really relished in the attention from TH. And as a woman, I can tell you that you don’t have to be gay to really be “in love,” or “infatuated” with another female. People can be really close and not be lovers! I personally think that was the case…
Perhaps at this low time in DD’s life and this low time in TH’s life they really clicked! They were both once in excellent shape and had life-changing events where they put on extra pounds, were unemployed, blah, blah, so they related to each other, they needed each other. Perhaps DD is just a lonely person and has an unhealthy attactment to Th and is afraid to lose her friend. I say this specifically because of one line in the PM article, one that no one else has brought up so far, but was the one that stuck out to me the most and that was:
“There’s this horror that my friend is going through,” she says. “If I thought for a second that she was capable of [foul play], I would not have been there. She would not have been my friend in the first place.”
This same sentiment was echoed by DD’s friends that gave an interview to CBS news a while back. DD wouldn’t have been friends with her IF she knew she was capable of such a thing. Well, I have a problem with this sentiment for some reason. It really bothers me. I think it is because DD is making TH a reflection of herself, with to me seems unhealthy. It’s not like they were married either, so why even say it? To me it says that DD can’t separate herself from TH. But it is also the one thing she says that makes me feel like she’s NOT involved. I say so because I simply feel like it’s an emotional attachment she has with TH that she directly reflects back to herself and she doesn’t want to believe that she would be in so involved with someone that would hurt a child. I think for DeDe to believe this she would ultimately feel duped and betrayed by TH and that’s too painful for her, because as I said, DD’s relationship with TH may be really lacking in emotional boundaries. MOO, OINK-OINK, BAAAA.
38.beejay says:
August 19, 2010 at 2:03 pm
“Could the witness-hunt now be aimed at EXONERATING the current popular suspects??? (that be TH and DeeDee)”
Beejay: I think maybe to exonerate/varify DeDe, but to find out who really was with TH and the truck.
@news@five:
I love your posts because they give us the boundaries to place our theories in and a context to understand the legal system, which for me is unknown territory, but I do agree you come across a wee bit combative at times, but we all have our own style
Keep us in the legal parameters by all means, it’s important. If you are up for it I would be really interested in your legal perspective of Kyron’s rights and how that may unfold, or is unfolding. I mean from the prosecutorial side.
minima
@Dee: I’m not picking on you. Just encouraging you to do your own research and thinking and not put 2 and 2 together and end up with 5.
To anyone who has verified the research on Jason Wichert and believes he is the son of child porn prisoner Wm Kent Wichart: If you also believe that this makes Jason a potential hazard to the kids in state custody whom he advocates for, then do contact the DOJ and ask them to look into it.
If you look at the Volunteer Application form where Jason advocates, you’ll see that he should have been subjected to:
“Our application process includes an interview, reference checks, a criminal history check….”
link: http://www.oregon.gov/OJD/docs/OSCA/cpsd/citizenreview/ApplicationPacketELECTRONIC.pdf
Here is an email I sent to the webmaster at the BringKyronHome dot org website. Some of you may want to do the same.
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KOIN said you could be contacted about where to move the Wall of Hope.
I am a retired teacher and counselor from PPS (K-12), serving on the district’s counseling crisis team for many years. I would like to suggest you do NOT move it to PPS headquarters. That is a very difficult location to give directions to, to actually reach, and to find a parking place most of the time. When there are events at the Rose Garden it’s a real pain to get to or park, even without all the construction going on now. People visiting do not need to feel rushed or stressed just to get there. (Children’s art work and other projects are often displayed inside the building by the Board Meeting area which is a nice area, but small and not a good place for the public to place things.)
People will continue to want to see the school itself – that’s just how people are. Media and strangers will continue to come by the property.
Maybe a church or non-profit building, or community building (Elks, Grange, or similar) nearby – out of view of Skyline School, but close enough that someone could go to the Wall and drive past the school if they chose. Perhaps there is one that would agree to take it on as a project and might even have an outdoor covered area large enough to protect items from rain.
I am not suggesting the Brooks Hill Historic Church because it is too close, also a residence and special events business location. (I do appreciate how helpful the owner has been.)
I suggest a written letter of agreement so everyone understands everyone else’s responsibilities regarding the maintenance and timeline for the Wall.
I have thought a lot about the kids at Skyline. Here’s another suggestion that I believe could work for everyone:
Design and build a special “Kyron’s Mailbox”. It should be located outside the fenced area, large (bigger than a regular mailbox) and cheerful looking, with an interesting shape – sort of Dr. Seuss-ish – and not a cube, so it may remind people to think outside the box when looking for Kyron. I believe you could get the wood, paint or stain, and screws donated, and probably the labor. Maybe the kids could make individual (waterproof) tiles of some material to cover it or some could volunteer to paint it to give them a sense of participation in the changes – children don’t “just forget”, they need a way to talk about Kyron in appropriate ways whenever they want to. Having control and the ability to “talk, do, and be listened to” will give them a sense of safety, not distress.
I’d like to suggest that letters, cards, and drawings could be left in “Kyron’s Mailbox” which would have a slot large enough to accommodate those, but also designed to keep out the rain. It would be opened with a key to remove items as needed. It would also have a sign or plaque which expresses a thank you, gives the website address, and asks that any items too large to fit in the box (such as a Teddy Bear) be taken to a designated site(s) (easy to get to – fire station, church, etc.) where those items would be shared with children in a hospital or given to needy children at Christmas on behalf of Kyron. I understand wanting to keep gifts to show him, but if left out in the rain, they may be ruined. (It would be possible to make an alternate door in the “mailbox” for larger items, but at some point, his room(s) will be full. Cards and letters, on the other hand, can be placed in scrapbooks and saved.)
You could also add a covered plastic container attached to the box like the ones used for flyers for houses for sale, and fill it with small flyers which people can take – as a reminder or to distribute or find out more. I’m sure a real estate company like ReMax would donate one.
As with any idea, there are pros and cons to this one. Part of what people appreciate about the wall now is being able to read and see what others have contributed and feel like part of his extended family, but just the act of moving it will diminish some of that. Some will still try to leave balloons or larger items around. In fact, don’t be surprised if some attempt to restart the wall at various times, but that will happen no matter what you plan.
I would not promote this idea with children beyond explaining it and answering any questions as they come up. However, the benefits for children are that they will still see something to remind them of Kyron (only adults would assume they won’t be thinking of him anyway) –but, hopefully, in a different more optimistic way since it is a “new beginning”. They can participate, and they can leave “mail” for Kyron or his family whenever they want to – or not – if teachers notice a child talking or anxious about Kyron, they or a counselor could suggest a note or drawing to express their feelings, or suggest it to the parent. Children can be told Kyron’s parents will take care of his mail for him until he can read it for himself and they can also write to his mom or dad if they choose. (Any child who expresses unusual or new anxiety or fears should be referred to counselor and parent.)
When Kyron is found, the mailbox itself will continue as a symbol of shared love and hope, and it can be moved as appropriate.
If you have any questions, please feel free to email me.
@Phyl: Ah so. Esp. if the perp knew the school, knew the kid, knew his mom’s vehicle so knew when she’d left.
There’s a mechanical room just below the stairs by Ky’s classroom. There’s a freestanding garage where outdoor stuff could be legitimately taken for temporary storage. There was noise and commotion in the gym–opposite side of school from Ky’s class– both during the Science Fair and again at 1pm for the talent show (which seems more of a kids’ event than a big parent event like the Sci Fair was).
It happens everyday. Jeez–they’re grabbing kids here out of their freakin’ front yards in broad daylight!
@mockinbirdsings:
Thanks for the info and clarification. This makes more sense now.
@puzzled – I’m extremely curious as to the impression Skyline parents and staff had of family dynamics prior to Kyron’s disappearance… also, same curiosity with regard to those who would have known the family through the older son. (Don’t know if he attended the same school or not.)
After the fact, though, accurate statements are pretty tough to come by. Seems like suddenly everyone just “knew” something was wrong… and that’s bs.
Good grief, I wish LE would make a move. B-ANY thoughts on when SOMETHING might happen for the love of God? I keep wondering if LE has it pretty figured out and they’re just getting their ducks in a row, or if they just aren’t able to really put it together. I’m just pissed off that this cast of characters has even gotten this much time out of their dastardly deed. SOBs.
@mockingbird. wow, thanks for the input on the church. very interesting read.
there are plenty of places along skyline where the wall could be moved. maybe actually construct a temporary fence somewhere… there’s an area on skyline/cornell that might work…across from the skyliner restaurant. there are often flower vendors camped out there. a big dirt area where people could park..and much more central for everyone than up where the school is. it needs to stay in the area though or it’ll lose its soul. hoping to get something up there myself this weekend.
I also felt that he “hinted” that DD may not have been interested in men any longer… A theory I personally don’t think matters too much, but for those that do…he hinted at it.
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It does matter. It could point to motive.
@Mockingbird
It has already been reported in the news that the Wall of Hope WILL NOT BE MOVED to the Portland School District office. It is way too far and Kane and Desiree are being consulted on where to move it to. Kane has already stated in the media that when it is moved it need to remain somewhere in our local community area not on the other side of Portland.
I do like your other suggestions. I went to the Wall for the second time. Each time, it is an emotional experience reading the letters and seeing the toys that children left. And knowing some of those toys came from children’s personal toybox but that the children really wanted Kyron to have these special toys.
I hope it doesn’t take 9 months to arrest someone in this case like the Diane Downs case!
Dear Beejay…no encouragement needed. I do all my own research, think quite well and know how to add. I also know how to spell and Jason’s last name has never been spelled “Wichert” nor Wm Kent’s name spelled “Wichart” as you write. Why don’t you follow the steps that I took as I outlined them in my posts and see what connections your original thinking will turn up? Just go to 2 sites, his fencing company, embassyenterprises.biz where his name is spelled WishArt (not WishErt)in two letters of recommendation and his connection to the Pompillo orphanage is stated. Then go to intelius where you will type in the name Jason Wishert, exactly as he now spells it, and take a look at his relatives. If you want to go further, find out who his relative Linda L. Wishart is married to and what orphanage James Grant WishArt is also connected to.
If you know of any way to get through to a human at the tip line, I would greatly appreciate it because all I get is a recording. I would only hope that LE is already taking a look at this guy.
oh, forgot to ask.
Do we know for sure that Terri actually waved/watched Kyron walk down the hall to his classroom? Did he even make it as far as the hall or could he have been taken from the science fair area?
Anselmo Sanchez-sanchez fed. prison Reg. #72474-065
Arrested July 8, 2010. Released from MCSO jail to federal prison on July 29, 2010. See:
http://www.mcso.us/PAID/BookingDetail.aspx?ID=j2fROvstUkZ9eSRaCJS85w
As of aftn. Of Aug. 19, 2010, is still shown at facility he was moved to on July 29, 2010. See:
http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/InmateFinderServlet?Transaction=NameSearch&needingMoreList=false&FirstName=Anselmo&Middle=&LastName=Sanchez-sanchez&Race=U&Sex=M&Age=&x=75&y=18
VIP NOTE: His name was probably misspelled by MCSO originally. To pull up his info. in fed. Prison now you MUST use this spelling:
Anselmo Sanchez-sanchez
He also has an assigned prisoner number. Reg#72474-065
@RichM
“since JW alludes to her not having had any other boyfriends previously?”
I found that to be the strangest statement of all!!!
Call me mancrazy, but to wait until she’s in her 40′s to start dating? Dating either Men or Women, just dating someone? Is that just not bizarre? And then he talks about how intelligent she is, but her last position was a receptionist? These sound like major self-esteem issues to me and that would explain the smug face. A lot of people who have self esteem issues can come across as smug and self-righteous.
@Dee: I called Mr. Robin de Alicante at 6pm EDT today. His recorded msg. says he’s on vacation till Aug. 30. I did not leave a msg. But if you, or anyone wants to pursue this, I suggest you followup after that time.
I was simply going to tell him the situation and ask if he could give me Jason’s FULL name, exact spelling, etc. Which, I doubt he would release. Then I was going to tell him that I was afraid his program was getting some bad press, or that one of his volunteers was, related to the Kyron investigation. Or, that possibly, Jason is the son of Wm Kent Wishart, imprisoned for child porn. And, that I thought he might want to look into that to be prepared for any media inquiries.
I’m not going to followup myself. But that’s what I would have done today.
Alternatively, since Jason has a thread at SM, if anyone here is registered, ask him what everyone wants to know. AND get some other info. to verify that–like: high school & yr graduated; FULL legal name. Whatever else would satisfy you. Just be upfront with the man. Say, “Jason, everyone thinks you’re the son of Wm Kent Wishart, the child porn prisoner. Doesn’t that worry you? It worries us because you do child advocacy work. What publicly available info. are you willing to lead us to so we can verify for ourselves that you are not son of Kent. I’m sure you understand our concern because you work on behalf of vulnerable children.”
You know, something like that. Be adult; be fair; be straight with him.
Funny how Twinkletoes had a dream about BOC and pals. I never realized how “attached” I became to this site until I read JW’s letter and immediately thought of “word Girl”. I would love to read her take on that letter. She has a great writing style. Then I thought of “Fl girl” and “Jackie Bauer” and wondered where they are. I always enjoyed reading their post but haven’t seen them lately. The point is, I look forward to all the posters and their comments and if I don’t see them posting, I miss them. BTW, I love the long posts but with spaces in between ideas …. makes it easier to read. Mockingbird, did you ever see my comment about “act 4″? It was in reference to your 3 acts or stages, I forget now what specific word you used.
Happy posting and I enjoy reading everyone’s comments, stories and theories. No rants or raves or nasty comments to each others.
@Dee: One more thought: anyone who is concerned about Jason’s ancestry could simply call him and tell him about the suspicion he’s under and how that brings his child advocacy work under scrutiny. Of course, one would risk getting famous that way! Whoever it’s important enough to will do it.
I thought MAXINE BERNSTEIN might have checked on him. Or the managing editor. Maybe they did. Why doesn’t someone who’s concerned follow up??
Methinks there is at least one poster on this blog that is pos(t)ing as more than one person, and actually commenting and then answering his/her own blog under another name in support of himself/herself. Could be you-know-who. Just sayin I noticed.
What?
I sincerely hope you take the time to explain.
B
@6.Rich M says:
August 19, 2010 at 3:47 pm
As far as the KH/TMH divorce thing (relevant to Kyron) I reflect on how many of us believed that LE was trying to flush info out of Terri. It did not work, but I think it was mainly because she has the lawyer buffer now. I would be surprised if she appears in any court at all. I hope she slips up soon because I feel she knows much more about this issue than she is willing to let onto
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I completely agree. I think had she not, she might have even popped. The sexting indicates a complete loss of control.
And BTW, some are discounting the sexting by insinuating that they were just pix of her BB days. Puh-lease.
LE stated that they were “graphic”:
“The motion also states police told Kaine that Terri exchanged hundred of text messages with Cook and several photographs of Terri Horman ‘in various stages of undress and graphic sexual activity.’
http://www.kgw.com/news/Court-doc-Kaine-Terri-Horman-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html
1) Kyron being taken by a stranger might seem more plausible if Terri hadn’t lawyered up. And if Terri hadn’t failed at least portions of her polygraph exam. If Terri was originally trying to hide something that had nothing to do with Kyron’s disappearence, it seems as though she would have shared that information by now. I think it is fair to say Terri is involved in Kyron’s disappearnce in some way, so this isn’t a “random” act.
2) I agree with Minima’s comment on 8/19/10 4:27 pm. I am a female and I’m not gay (not that there is ANYTHING wrong with being gay. I had a female friend that became really attached to me. I met her at work. She also had never had a boyfriend, etc. and was in her 30′s. As time went by, I noticed she started to buy the same shoes as me, color her hair like mine, listen to the same type of music, etc. I started to realize she may have “issues” when she became jealous if I hung out with anybody else from work. She’d pout and basically throw a grown up fit about it. I eventually terminated our friendship. She started complaining about my husband and telling me how unappreciate he was, what he should be doing, etc. Looking back, she had really bad self esteem. She was lonely and wanted me to spend all my time with her. Again, I never sensed anything sexual on her part, but she was at least infatuated with our friendship. Had I wanted to manipulate her, or use her devotion to me, I could have.
I think DeeDee is a lonely, unhappy person. Terri brought her happiness and companionship. I think DeeDee could know alot of stuff about Terri and what happened with Kyron. I’m not saying DeeDee had anything to do with it, but I certainly wouldn’t rule it out.
MOO?
Some interesting quotes re the GJ process in Oregon and my comments in ( _ ). You can read more at the links shown: http://www.leg.state.or.us/ors/132.html
When the jury service term is completed the grand jury must be discharged by the court; but the judge may, by an order made either in open court or at chambers anywhere in the judicial district and entered of record, stating the reasons, continue the grand jury in session for such period of time as the judge deems advisable. (This could go on for awhile.)
A member of a grand jury may be required by any court to disclose:
(1) The testimony of a witness examined before the grand jury, for the purpose of ascertaining whether it is consistent with that given by the witness before the court.
(It appears to me “any court” includes Family Court, although there may not be anyone this fits.)
(9) The grand jury is not bound to hear evidence for the defendant, but it shall weigh all the evidence submitted to it; and when it believes that other evidence within its reach will explain away the charge, it should order such evidence to be produced, and for that purpose may require the district attorney to issue process for the witnesses. (See * below also.)
132.557 Indictment must contain subcategory facts under certain circumstances.
(1) When a person is charged with a crime committed on or after November 1, 1989, that includes subcategories under the rules of the Oregon Criminal Justice Commission, the state is required to plead specially in the indictment, in addition to the elements of the crime, any subcategory fact on which the state intends to rely to enhance the crime for sentencing purposes. The state shall plead the elements and subcategory facts in a single count. Nothing in this subsection precludes the pleading of alternative theories.
(2) The state must prove each subcategory fact beyond a reasonable doubt and the jury shall return a special verdict of “yes” or “no” on each subcategory fact submitted.
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The quotes below are from the American Bar Association FAQ’s (general answers but related) (http://www.abanet.org/media/faqjury.html
*For the most part, the subject of a grand jury investigation has no right to testify unless subpoenaed, nor any right to compel the grand jury to hear certain witnesses or evidence. Often, however, if a target requests an opportunity to testify, he or she will be permitted by the prosecutor to do so but without a grant of immunity.
A lawyer might be called; but the lawyer/client privilege shields him or her from being compelled to testify about a conversation with a client unless the conversation related to an ongoing or future crime or fraud of the client.
(Isn’t a kidnapping or custodial interference where the victim is believed to be alive, an “ongoing” crime? Seems to me if somebody doesn’t offer proof that Kyron is dead, it’s an ongoing crime.)
@12.Karey says:
August 19, 2010 at 4:11 pm
32.barista says:
August 18, 2010 at 9:59 pm
@ barista: Good point regarding TH’s lawyer fees. She could have exaggerated the amount to MC to appeal to his sympathies, too, in hopes he might help support her financially.
Rich M also made some good points about TH’s resources to pay the hefty atty fees – possibility she has money “squirreled away” & attempt to make KH pay her fees. If she couldn’t get her ex to pay, why not try to wheedle it out of someone else?
BTW, whenever I read posts on this site, why do I get thirsty for milk?
MOO
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@barista:
excellent points! Yes, if she is trying to save face, impress, yet still play her narcissistic vulnerable needy squirrelling game (yes I made that up on the spot to describe her MO) with Michael Cook
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Rich M’s point: I am a child support investigator for my state. The fact that she has her 2nd husband, who adopted the dependant, paying child support TO HER, while the dependant lives with hs bio dad, FREAKS me out. I thought I had seen everything. Holy shite.
That 1st, 2nd, 3rd thing – I took it to mean TH, Kyron, and a possible 3rd person around the truck that morning.
Showing people pictures – I do this. Almost always have my camera with me, and failing that, there’s always the cell. I show off my kids – ESPECIALLY if I haven’t seen the person in quite a while. Just did it a couple nights ago, with someone I haven’t seen since high school – and didn’t know her as any more then an acquaintance then. People who are proud of their kids and spend most of their time thinking about their kids do it all the time.
I don’t have time to go do my own searching about Mr. Art or Ert, but his letter creeps me out.
@beejay re: exoneration – I’ve been wondering that for quite a while. If there was a 3rd person, and not just a witness mistake, it would be helpful to know who it was. But also, given the times stated, even TH might not know who it was. It could just as easily be some random person who was messing with the truck while she was inside with Kyron.
And just a side note re: background checks in Oregon – the “Jason Evers” situation just gives me SO much confidence in their accuracy these days…
RichM, this whole case has got me sideways. So many players and names and theories….and all this time and still no Kyron. *sigh* As for Jason Wishert, maybe he’s like Mike Cook in this, just wanting his time in the spotlight. Nothing more.
I meant no disrespect to anyone associated in any way with orphanages, Mexican or not. I hope that’s clear. I’ve always been and always will be on the side of helping kids and leaving the world better if we can.
minima, your MOO, OINK and BAAA were too funny. thanks for the laugh.
47.Newsatfive says:
August 19, 2010 at 3:16 pm
IMHO, I find it odd that he lost respect for her because of changes in her life as to working out, etc. I could see that he might not find her attractive, but to lose respect? Didn’t he realize that she was depressed when she lost her job?
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News, I find JW’s entire statement to be odd, including some of the phrasing.
Exactly what type of child advocacy work does he do? Does anyone know?
will e you, I also know that person, lol.
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Dee: I wonder if Jason Wichert would take a polygraph?
ChiaPet517: “Methinks there is at least one poster on this blog that is pos(t)ing as more than one person, and actually commenting and then answering his/her own blog under another name in support of himself/herself. Could be you-know-who. Just sayin I noticed.”
Blink: “What? I sincerely hope you take the time to explain.”
S/he means snapoutofit is playing more games on this site. I’ve suspected this as well.
@Dee: at Intellius a screen comes up and wants pay for info. Not doing that. I also want to use a full name.
OK, back. I put in his full name, William Jason Wishert. Got info for free! Says only that there are some addresses in OR. But it shows no relatives.
@beejay: thanks for your efforts at seeing the other side of the story. I donèt think youère trying to crucify anyone … just sticking to the facts because a lot of speculation has seemed to have turned into facts out in internet land. Perhaps, the old addage is true … if misinformation is repeated often enough, most come to believe it is fact. Ièm not missing the subtle words that the press uses in their stories – and those subtle differences can mean all the difference in the world.
Still sitting firmly on the fence I am. Waiting for LE to release some facts that will actually assist in finding our boy Kyron. I take everything that Kaine says with a grain of salt too – not bvecause of him personally, but because the LE has him doing the talking out there & the LE can spin a fact if they think it will suit their investigation. Iève got no issues with that, but I do have issues with condemning someone else based only upon that speculation which may not actually be true to the facts.
TBZ – thank you. I read news online but did not see that it was not going to be moved to PPS headquarters. I was surprised they ever considered it from a physical standpoint, so I’m glad to hear that decision has been made.
@Twink, poor thing! What a dream! I was just gonna say if there was any moo’n goin’ on it would prolly have been me and Beejay…that is if Beejay hadn’t been picked up in connection with a white truck in Oregon yet!
Here’s the big thing for me with TH “planning” everything…if she was smart enough to do kidnap KH and do whatever has been done and not get caught, then how could she have been dumb enough to sext/text MC knowing she was being watched by LE?
I still say the simplest answer is this, Kyron is paying for a HUGE mistake Terri made…what that mistake was?….I dunno. Who’s done it?…I dunno that either. Could it be that one reason she hasn’t tried to see her daughter after the RO was issued is because she feels Kiara is safer with KH than with her?
Bottom line is I don’t care what happens to TH, DDS, the LS, or anyone else for that matter right now. Right now I just want to know where the hell Kyron is.
Yikes, now I not only moo, but I cuss.
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers and sister.
@Dee writes: “If you know of any way to get through to a human at the tip line, I would greatly appreciate it because all I get is a recording. I would only hope that LE is already taking a look at this guy.”
As a chunk of my memory came back, I left a message for the sergeant that interviewed me three weeks ago. That was almost a week, and I am still waiting for the call back. You probably have better luck with a tip line that is transcribed and prioritized.
Newsatfive says:
“It would be interesting to read a statement analysis of his letter to the Oregonian. Some of the phrases in it struck me as odd.”
Here you go:
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/08/dede-spicher-ex-boyfriend-writes.html
I have to say, I have yet to not agree with Seamus, and I think in his work where could be “reaching” or take license, he never has that I have reviewed.
To date, I find him quite good.
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Beejay…thanks for making that call. Jason was asked on SM early on if he was the son of William Kent Wishart and, as of this afternoon, he has not responded. I checked out his school info and found that he listed himself on Classmates.com as Jason WishErt…the schools had nothing to do with it. I then called his elementary school and asked if anyone by that name had attended there. They could not find him as of this afteroon but, as 1983 is quite a few years back, they may simply not have easy access to those records anymore. I will be calling his high school first thing tomorrow morning. A 1991 yearbook should be an easy enough thing to find in the library. I will, of course, let you all know what I find out. I actually hope that he is NOT the son of William Kent Wishart but, if he is, he will need to be given serious consideration by LE.