Kyron Horman Missing and Endangered: Grand Jury Meets, Indictment Imminent
Portland, OR- In the case of missing 7-year-old Portland child Kyron Horman, developments today continue to unfold at lightening speed.
During a poorly-kept secret convening of a special grand jury that is in session today, sources inside the investigation believe it’s triers of fact will return an indictment against Terri Horman and possibly one other individual.
It is however, unclear as to whether or not the grand jury is hearing evidence in the alleged murder for hire plot MCSO informed Kaine Horman his wife had master-minded, OR evidence surrounding the disappearance of Kaine and Desiree Young’s son Kyron.
KOIN caught Terri Horman’s friend DeDe Spicher, who was subpoenaed to appear in the proceedings this morning, on video with her attorney, entering the courthouse. Spicher was the subject of a public plea asking her to cooperate with investigators by Kaine Horman and Desiree Young last week. A neighbor of Spicher’s has confirmed the FBI has been seen removing boxes and unknown bagged material from her residence.
According to several sources, DeDe Spicher, Terri’s roommate post Kaine’s restraining order, was working in a garden near the Horman home the day of Kyron’s disappearance when she received a call at approximately 11:15 am. She left abruptly, returning at approximately 1:00 pm. DeDe was unreachable on her cell phone during that time and the property owner became concerned. Spicher is a long time friend and workout companion of Horman’s.
Earlier today, Laura Rackner, Kaine Horman’s Family Law attorney filed a motion to find out where the funds are coming from to foot the bill for Terri Horman’s high profile criminal defense attorney, Stephen Houze.
In Horman’s motion, he is seeking the disclosure of the payments made to Houze, and whether or not it came from marital funds. If it has, Kaine Horman wants half the cash to pay his own legal bills. Kaine Horman alleges that Terri Horman disclosed to a third party that she paid a whopping $350,000 retainer to Houze, however, provided no proof of same in the papers filed today.
In what appears to be a media timing coup, tonight’s episode of Dateline NBC will feature Kaine Horman, Desiree and Tony Young, with interviews and coverage of Kyron’s disappearance.
Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office Public Information Officer, Mary Lindstrand, has announced a press conference tomorrow at the MCSO Training Facility, beginning at 2:00 pm PST.
blinkoncrime editor Madeline Tanner contributed to this report
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@Malty –
You are such a sweetheart, I love reading your gentle posts.
TH is a free woman (for now) as far as LE is concerned, but Houze is correct to put his client on a short leash. He is representing (and is anticipating a time when he may have to represent her in court), so his concern is probably twofold: a) keep her quiet b) keep her safe. Assuming that any cell phone or computer communications would be monitored, he is wise to tell her not to use those, period. I can just imagine how furious he must have been when news came to light that she’d been commenting on blogs and Facebook. He doesn’t need the extra burden of having to deal with that kind of damage control. He is a forceful personality and I can imagine that he told her, in no uncertain terms, that if he represents her, she plays by HIS rules and if she steps out of line, she could seek representation elsewhere.
Back OT:
http://www.kgw.com/news/Kaine–Terri-Horman-expected-in-court-today-101470199.html
Will see if they both show up, eh?
Regarding lax school security, this stranger/man was able to take a 5 year old out of his school. Hours later, he was arrested for kidnapping, and then they realized he had simply picked up the wrong child from school. Evidently, he was sent there to pick up a friend’s child (who he had never met) and the teachers didn’t check him out and gave him the wrong child. (He is still under arrest for outstanding warrants, though.)
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/education/stories/082510dnmetabduction.86c86aa4.html
B,
Did I say espionage? It doesn’t appear I did. My post was about ransom/extortion via bad publicity with the perps going after deep pockets.
Where did you get corporate espionage from. Did I say AMD or Texas Instruments was behind this? Of course I didn’t.
I’m saying that in this day and age where pirates take over oil tankers in the gulf for ransom, the pirates ask the oil companies to pay off in return for the ship and crew. They don’t ask the families of the crew for money. They go after the deep pockets.
@chiapet: Teri has a receipt for the 1st FM timed 9:12, not known if she obtained it herself or someone else got it and gave it tother. She was seen in the 2nd FM by someone, she also had alittle conversation with them. I took from your comment about Teri not making it apoint to be seen leaving the school and added on.
Teri made it a point to be seen with Kyron around 8:15, made it a point of taking the alibi pic, made it a point to get a receipt, made it a point to be seen at 2nd FM…then why for heaven sake didnt she make it a point to be seen leaving the school alone. “hey joe blow see you later, bye Cher, have to leave now and get meds for the baby.
OK folks, I will tell you why …because she left with kyron. If there were hundreds of people there, how many stopped and oooed and awwwed over the baby. Was she showing off the baby? Baby in the stroller, puts a damper on speedy get aways, baby in arms, eveyone wants to goo goo gaa gaa at the baby.
Tons of people coming in, which makes me think she left earlier than 8:45, before the big crowd. Teri knows the bell rings at 8:45, she doesnt have to be there to hear it ring. Besides, the kids had to be in their classrooms at 9:00 to get ready to go out in groups of 4-5 … tour 9-10. then class starts at 10…roll call is taken, kyron absent…oh hes with his mother, dont call her, hes safe.
How would a mysterous kidnapper know when the coast was clear to take Kyron at that exact moment and place. What if he was hanging with his buddies, or the teacher wanted him to stay at his poster …to many variable for the kidnapper …he wasnt in control, whereas, Teri was in control and knew the perfect time to get him to the truck.
Oh but officer, I didn’t take him, his backpack and coat were in the class room and and and, didnt someone say “it” happened between 9-10. But lookey here I have a receipt for 9:12 at a store far far away, 7 miles from the school.
Countdown to 10am ….kill some time, drive around, go to another store get more alibis. Finally 10:10, stupid school didnt call about him being missing. Now 90 minutes to dispose of him, then get to the gym to make it look like another normal day.
Easy peasy. They wont look at what I did after 9, heck the crime took place 9-10. why does LE want my cell phone pings and phone records and computer? I’m the innocent mom who left her precious stepson in the good care of the school with sloppy systems in place.
Personal to Blink ** Do Not Post
Pretty rich, isn’t it, that someone who practices out-and-out plagiarism then acts like Grammar Police. But it isn’t really about Grammar, is it — I think it’s about control and one-upsmanship.
Occam’s razor ( without the razor). TH leaves with him, from school. TH passes him off to someone(s) to “remove”. Once passed off buys ( obtains) new cell phones.
Arrest her, move on . There is enough to convict her on this…
Newsatfive says: August 24, 2010 at 12:51 am
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Terri realizes she’s under suspicion and has to hire a lawyer to defend herself against LE’s allegations. The source of her attorney’s fees (hypothetically)? The ransom.
I think you are spot on with this (hypothetically) possibility. They say there is always some truth in what someone says and that could be exactly the amount of the ransom. This was a statement made to MC so she didn’t think it would matter. This would be a terrible blow to KH and DY if in fact it was true. She may assume the attorney will never talk about his fees with anyone else so her lie would give her some sick kick. I pray this is not the case. Prayers to Kyron, his dad , mom, TY and his brothers and sister.
@shelbar
You make some great points, however getting a receipt at a store, saying hi to someone at a store, downloading pics of a childs milestones, driving around, driving a spouse automobile, procrastinate picking up a school project are things that thousands of people do everyday. Connecting the Dots, she did have a normal day with the exception of her child not getting off the school bus.
I guess we can look at it as 1) she had a normal day because IT WAS a normal day or 2)she had a normal day because she planned to have a child disappear.
I need some concrete facts that this mother, didn’t have a normal day.
Not directed at shelbar, but I do not want to live in a society that convicts on being the last one to see a person-there has to be something more to this than a flyer and a bad man that shows up on her door step claiming she orchestrated a crime that was never committed!
Can anyone imagine how the evil of this world would grasp on to this concept in the future? Planning out a crime..just make sure you are not the last one seen then accuse the person that WAS the last one seen of something bigger. And don’t worry because they will find someway to connect the dots
Because right now, that is all we have! Please feel free to correct me on the facts that I have missed. I don’t have a need to be right, I do have the need to find the correct person or persons who took kyron from his family and the people who love him. And right now, I am including terri in that group of people.
If people have been afraid to talk and say what they know about what happened, then terri would have to be excluded from that fear because people have NOT been afraid of speaking against her. If they are not afraid of the little red head then who are they afraid of?
For today’s court appearance and my MOO possible explanation:
Follow the money trail here….
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html
snip:
“The couple moved to Albany and ran a storage facility for a while before buying into a Chubby’s restaurant franchise with money from Horman’s parents.
That venture did not go well. In 1994, the couple and Horman’s parents sued Chubby’s, saying the company misrepresented the investment needed to make the franchise work. The lawsuit ended with a $250,000 settlement, Tarver said.”
Even if they invested a quarter of that money back then, it could have grown to a sizable amount that could be used for attorney fees.
But they could have already used the settlement money:
1)settle outstanding debt
2)used for TH’s education
3)down payment
4)reimbursed investors (TH family?)
4)invested wisely, thus the fees that can now be paid
JMO, MOO, IMHO, etc etc
What do yall think?
@LPB I made a comment awhile back regarding whether KH knew about the $250K. Given the nature of TH’s manipulative personality I doubt he knew if in fact the $250K still exists. Regarding TH’s education, her 2nd hubby’s parents paid for that.
@Blink I am on the edge of my seat waiting for your next piece on this case.
Regarding the timeline and the 9:12 receipt. I think there is a Starbuck’s in this FM so it is possible that she could get a cup of coffee w/receipt when she arrived, and then continue shopping. The thing about the morning shopping trips that gets me is the two FM trips. If one is planning an alibi why would she plan to go the two of the same store. I know this sounds like I am defending TH, but I am not. After reading and processing many wise posts from Blink and others, I now feel like something broke down after the first FM. That is why the trip to the second one. Does anyone know what ever happened with the Albertson’s? Didn’t the original timeline have her going there. LE requested video from there. That Albertson’s is really pretty far away from those FM stores.
Regarding Terri and the no computer rule. This has to be a Houze imposed rule. I remember Kaine saying that the computer was her preferred method of communication. Since online communication would be the likeliest way she may incriminate herself, this makes sense for her defense attorney to do, but it is sad for those of us that just want her to cough up some info on little Kyron.
Whenever I think of her at her parents house without her computer I get this visual – Mom with hands at hips says “Honey Mr. Houze said no more computer.” TH says “No Fair!” folding her arms as she storms off to her room stomping in protest.
@ Michelle – This is what I remember regarding landscapers – it is based on putting news reports together in my head. Links are great for some things, but for other details it seems you can read 3 or 4 reports and a word change or deletion here or there can change what seems to have happened. At least with press conferences, all the news people get written copies to quote.
Landscaper Rudy Sanchez – was hired, wired, and subsequently fired by Terri when she called 911 (or before). My impression was that LE found his name and contact information when looking through Terri’s stuff – phone, computer, and/or checks.
When they interviewed him, he told them about the MFH proposal Terri made months before. (I’m curious what the most recent date was that she paid him and what work he actually did on the property, if any, but haven’t seen that mentioned.)
Terri apparently initiated some sort of sexual affair with Rudy that was defined well enough for it to be said that she used the same “method” to approach MC.
side note: I don’t think Rudy disclosed the MFH out of the goodness of his heart. Probably Terri knew something about Rudy that she thought would make it safe to propose the MFH without the risk of him turning her in, and once LE figured out what that was, it was worse for LE to know than Terri, so he decided to cooperate to whatever extent he has. I think the MFH was a real proposal – not wishful pillow talk.
It’s possible Rudy “subcontracted” that job for a percentage of the deposit money, which Terri did not pay, so it did not take place. (No matter what happened or how in the MFH, Kaine would not have ended up missing if she wanted the insurance money – that would take years.) Terri may have changed her mind, or may have cancelled the MFH because of money – maybe they wanted more than she offered. (Also possible that DeDe connected Rudy and Terri which led to the MFH proposal.)
Landscapers again: My understanding was that there was a Craigslist ad by Terri for a landscaper – I don’t know the date of the ad. A landscaper – unnamed – replied to the ad and did not receive a return reply. This landscaper reported it to LE in a tip, I believe, and was not considered to be involved in any way. That LS remained unnamed in the news since he didn’t have any actual contact from Terri.
Anselmo Sanchez has been mentioned as possibly involved somehow and perhaps related to Rudy either through family, business, or criminal activity – or all of the above. All I am relatively certain of is that he is in the US illegally and is detained at this time. I think people have assumed he also has worked as a landscaper or lawn maintenance person, but he may also have done other kinds of work. It is unclear to me whether anyone has verified that he has actually worked on the Skyline School property with Rudy and, if so, when.
Anyone who sees errors, please chime in. I did not go back and look for links because there is nothing new here except the organization. I also tried not to include anything only found in the various theories being discussed. Hope this helps, Michelle.
@LPB
The fact that Terri’s parents had that kind of money to sink into a questionable franchise investment, *in the first place*, says more to me than the eventual lawsuit settlement.
While these folks may be far from ‘wealthy’, I also doubt they are struggling financially…
I would tend to doubt that the Moultons’ every last dime was sunk into that failed restaurant venture.
And, considering the fact that Terri would have been quite young in 1994, I would have to assume her parents fronted the bulk (if not all) of those start-up funds— MOO.
The fact that they have been willing to front a large sum of money toward a pursuit of Terri’s in the past, also tells me that they could be so-inclined in the present.
Perhaps the Moulton’s provided much of the retainer fee for Houze to represent their daughter…???
Speculation aside, let’s not forget that the $350,000 figure was apparently gleaned from a text message between MC and TMH— and may not even be accurate.
Terri *may* have exaggerated in an attempt to impress MC, or (if she thought it may get back to him) to infuriate KH.
JMHO
@L.B
Thanks for your kind words
on the other hand she can run on the treadmill and sneak in some
sun out in the back yard and get her looks back
Houze must know her pretty well
LOL
@ MockingbirdSings : EGADS on the receipt story! What a scam indeed. I am assuming, though, that LE interviewed employees at the FM store where Terri’s receipt originated to verify that she had actually been in the store and made the purchase indicated. It’s an interesting angle, though, to consider that she might have fetched one out of the trash because that would be another lie that could be uncovered via customer number or rewards number or whatever they call it. If you forget your card at checkout they will ask for your phone number at many stores so they can look you up, so you are traceable unless you pay cash and forgo the card privileges.
44.Ode says:
August 25, 2010 at 1:03 pm
Newsatfive says: August 24, 2010 at 12:51 am
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Terri realizes she’s under suspicion and has to hire a lawyer to defend herself against LE’s allegations. The source of her attorney’s fees (hypothetically)? The ransom.
I think you are spot on with this (hypothetically) possibility. They say there is always some truth in what someone says and that could be exactly the amount of the ransom.
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One would think if KH paid a $350,000 ransom and that ransom ended up in TH’s pocket, the FBI would have followed that money trail by now. Also, I do not think a ransom would have been paid out without KH/LE insisting that the perpetrator’s “trade” this ransom for a living and breathing Kyron. Moo.
@Newsatfive says: August 24, 2010 at 12:51 am
“Terri realizes she’s under suspicion and has to hire a lawyer to defend herself against LE’s allegations. The source of her attorney’s fees (hypothetically)? The ransom.”
@Ode says: August 25, 2010 at 1:03 pm
“I think you are spot on with this (hypothetically) possibility. They say there is always some truth in what someone says and that could be exactly the amount of the ransom. This was a statement made to MC so she didn’t think it would matter. This would be a terrible blow to KH and DY if in fact it was true. She may assume the attorney will never talk about his fees with anyone else so her lie would give her some sick kick. I pray this is not the case.”
Banks scan the serial numbers on currency that comes in and goes out. It is my understanding that there is no such thing as an “unmarked bill” in the sense that each bill’s serial number is recorded by at least one bank.
Hypothetically, if a ransom were paid in cash, it is my understanding that the Secret Service (part of the Treasury Department) would be involved.
If the ransom money were then used to pay an attorney, the attorney would need to deposit the money into his or her client trust account (if the money was an advance on unearned fee) or collect it as earned (if the money is a non-refundable “availability retainer”).
Houze isn’t stupid. This case could cost a lot more than $350,000 to litigate. Hypothetically, if he did an availability retainer, then the contract most likely would have stated it was for a set period of time, which makes no sense as potentially, Terri might never be charged. Or, more likely, he took the money — however much Terri paid — as an advance on earned fees.
The minute Houze deposits the money, the serial numbers get scanned, and there you go, hypothetically speaking of course.
Attorneys are not exempt from following the law. If the bank were to hypothetically discover that the funds were from a ransom, then the bank would notify law enforcement. If is my understanding that the agency that would respond is the Secret Service, which is the same agency that is involved at the time of the ransom.
All of this is a huge leap in logic, however, as we don’t know if Houze was paid, and if he was paid, how much he received. We also do not know the method of payment, either.
Houze is ethical, and he has been a witness against at least one other lawyer in a bar ethics proceeding. You might not like his clients, but he is not going to play games with the bar association. I do not believe for one minute that he has done anything wrong here, nor do I think he would do anything unethical.
Here is the list of agencies that the MCSO credited for their work on this matter:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/mcso_progress_continues_in_sea.html
Gresham Police, Fairview Police, Troutdale Police, Portland Police, Port of Portland Police, Clackamas County Sheriff’s Office, Clackamas County DA MCT, Multnomah County DA’s investigators, Washington County District Attorney’s Office, Washington County Sheriff’s Office, Gladstone Police, Oregon City Police, Milwaukie Police, Canby Police, Lake Oswego Police, West Linn Police, Vancouver Police, Hillsboro Police, Beaverton Police, FBI, DEA, ICE, Secret Service, DOD Defense Criminal Investigative Services, Oregon DOJ, Oregon State Police.
When the list first came out, I had wondered why the Secret Service had been listed. A ransom payment would be a reasonable explanation for this.
(Blink: Correct me if I’m wrong on any of this please.)
The SS is involved because of their technology in analyzing deleted electronic device information as well as ping trajectory that interfaces with GPS. I have seen them tag a device ( because one cannot prove the device is with the person necessarily) within 64 feet in some areas.
Imo, there was no ransom paid to anyone.
B
As far as Fred Meyer receipts go, I have told them I don’t have my card and have given my daughter’s telephone number so she can get the credit. Therefore, anyone could have gotten the receipt in TH’s name.
kitjcat117 says:August 25, 2010 at 1:50 pm
@LPB I made a comment awhile back regarding whether KH knew about the $250K. Given the nature of TH’s manipulative personality I doubt he knew if in fact the $250K still exists. Regarding TH’s education, her 2nd hubby’s parents paid for that.
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If you read the Oregonian story (where the payment for TH’s education came out) it says that the 2nd husband ‘paid for’ her schooling, not his parents. Of course as a married couple, what his is mine and what’s mine is his…
“Chuck Ecker, a high school teacher, encouraged his daughter-in-law to become a teacher. She seemed to like kids,” he said.
Richard Ecker said he paid for her education, which remains a sore point for his parents.
@ MockingbirdSings says: August 25, 2010 at 2:06 pm … Another great post, thank you!
You’ve reminded me about something with the ad for a landscaper. It was speculated, but only confirmed in the TH profile story, that J might be expected to mow the lawn, and that is a chore he identified as on his list. He moved away in January/Feb… maybe this is what prompted the craigslist ad? I don’t recall a date ever being fixed to that ad. I’m not sure what those items add up to, but it’s just something that has snagged in my mind.
GraceintheHills says:
August 25, 2010 at 2:41 pm
One would think if KH paid a $350,000 ransom and that ransom ended up in TH’s pocket, the FBI would have followed that money trail by now. Also, I do not think a ransom would have been paid out without KH/LE insisting that the perpetrator’s “trade” this ransom for a living and breathing Kyron. Moo
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I think my comment was unclear. I was not implying a ransom was paid. I just think the amount quoted to MC may have been the same that was asked for as ransom if there was a ransom request at all. I do not think she thought anyone would ever see her text to MC. When I say it would be a blow to KH and DY, I meant that if in fact it is the same amount and upon hearing that she quoted the same amount it would be a “how dare she” use that figure. Again I do not think she ever thought the MC text would be seen. Just a speculation of irony.
@evie Thanks for pointing that out. I was so focused on the FIL pushing her to become a teacher I think I missed the part of RE paying for her education. I don’t know I think this Jersey weather is clouding my brain.
I don’t mean to be a jerk, but the Secret Service is never called the SS. That is Hitler Germany. In this politically correct world we live in, I just thought I’d add another taboo. No N, no R, no SS.
50.VTLady79 says:
August 25, 2010 at 2:08 pm
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@VTLady79:
Yes, I tend to agree with you almost 100%. When entitlement is a precedent, its hard to argue it its not a pattern. I would like to speculate on TH’s family’s “feelings of commitment, and enlightenment issues” towards TH being an adoptive daughter, but I’d rather yall figure it out in your own thought process. (I’ve been dealing with an enabled sister since I was young, maybe I’m biased, but it definitely happens!)
@evie:
August 25, 2010 at 1:50 pm
@LPB I made a comment awhile back regarding whether KH knew about the $250K. Given the nature of TH’s manipulative personality I doubt he knew if in fact the $250K still exists. Regarding TH’s education, her 2nd hubby’s parents paid for that.
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Yes, again I see that as an enlightenment issue. She can’t let anyone know who she has “played” in the past. But if she does do a full disclosure, its not her her fault for someone taking the responsibility, right?! It’s a responsibility issue at play here which brings us o Kyron. She can’t be held “responsible” because it was through a third party, much like the rest of her life. -You can’t pay for your own education like thousands of people do every year, but you must ask for someone else to foot the bill when you are well past the age of legal workmanship???!!
This is exactly my problem with TH, she is manipulative and doesn’t take full responsibility for her actions. Does that make sense?
7.ChiaPet517 says:
August 24, 2010 at 1:15 pm
I agree, I like your posts. Personally, as I have stated before, even the posts I don’t agree with help in opening my persception. You should continue to post!
As far as TH alibi’s question you raise….I think that TH (again I have shared this) never thought in a million years anyone would suspect her. I think that TH thinks highly of herself and set out to make her life and herself look superficially “perfect,” reinventing herself over and over again. I think that she believed peoples perceptions of her would save her from suspicion, which is why she was so upset in the first hours that she was being questioned; I don’t think she ever planned for that! And, furthermore, I think there is a pretty clear concensus that TH is not the person that “harmed” Kyron, she didn’t act alone. So, I really believe that her alibi’s and her character were “enough” in her mind. She went through with what she “planned,” gathered her alibis, followed through and believed that she was above suspicion. Narcissitic.
On another note, (perhaps I know too many dysfunctional people), I don’t think that everything is so black and white. For example she ‘always’ loved kyron, or she ‘never’ loved kyron. I think TH has some serious issues, no matter what the verdict turns out to be. Reading the OL article about her, I wasn’t surpirsed at all with her history. She seems like a completely opportunistic person. Was kyron’s dissapearance an avenue for TH to reinvent herself as she has done so many times, a person riding on the backs of others, using other and discarding them as they no longer were useful to her? Personally, I think so.
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36.Terri Horman says:
August 24, 2010 at 7:12 pm
Oy vey, what a lousy summer. Calgon, take me away!
I’ll let y’all guess
B
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UM, EXSQUEEZE ME?!
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37.hervness says:
August 24, 2010 at 7:15 pm
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Very good points. Plus the driving 7 miles. ?No stoplights?
Even if not, it might take awhile. Strapping Kiara in to leave school, driving the 7 miles, then to do all of the things you said. The parking, unstrapping Kiara, getting her inside, getting a cart. I’m not familiar with FM, but even at a Krogers, which I am familiar with, this would take some time.
@5.Salbelle says:
August 25, 2010 at 2:53 pm
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@ the phone number thing: But they would check her bank card. Although I suppose anyone with her pin number could do that.
And red hair.
Although- she would either yes be on camera or not be on camera.
“I have spent months with the BOC team pouring over docs, interviews, pics, and I can say without reservation James was a loving brother to all his siblings and I am heartsick for what he must be going through.
There is a pic of him, holding Kiara’s hand, and Ky walking, and Ky is looking up at him with UGE grin and it tears me up every time. I do not know what happened to break this family, but I do know that children do not understand the sins of their parents.
When Blink Jr was a tot and I was reading him Humpty Dumpty, at the end he shot up and said “I will be right back”.
He ran back out of breath, arms out in front of him as if he were holding the key to the world and it might evaporate with one false move.
He said.. “See mommy, he is fine, all better, no cracks..”
It was an egg out of the fridge.
B”
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Sniff. sniff. I agree, I feel so defensive of James. My heart breaks for him as much as Kyron. I just can’t imagine what that young man is going through and how he will deal with it all for the rest of his life.
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THE GLASSES: Here’s my 2 cents, JUST for the sake of theorizing, say they were Kyrons, they were in the mailbox, but what if it was an inside job? Rather than being placed in the mailbox where someone would easily be spotted, or they were mailed there which seems easy to trace…what if TH went to “check” the mail and came back with the glasses? Doing so in an effort to make it look like a ransom (especially in line with the theory that some people believe this was her whole plan to begin with), or even if that wasn’t the original plan, perhaps it was to take the focus off of her? Just a thought.
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Ok, I guess the consensus is TH is Furtureman, or Futureman is TH rather. Phew!
BLINK: Just curious, no details necessary, but do you feel like your first thoughts about this case are still accurate? Or has evidence you have come to know persuded your thoughts in a new direction that deviates from your initial suspicions/theories?
I am 100% exactly where I started and remain.
B
@LPB – I agree with TH being manipulative. See my comment below from 8/20. By the way, manipulative = to control or play upon by artful, unfair, or insidious means especially to one’s own advantage. You asked if it makes sense that she is manipulative and doesn’t take full responsibility for her actions? Oh Yeah…it makes sense! She’s a puppet master. I have a B.A. in Psych, worked in the insurance industry for 12 years in an analytical position and I can say without a doubt the best predictor of future behavoir is past experience.
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24.kitjcat117 says:
August 20, 2010 at 7:44 am
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html
Great piece on TH. The posters on OL seem to think this paints TH in a positive light. I, however, believe it speaks to how manipulative she can be. She wins a $250,000 law suit, has a baby with RT and then divorces him. Wonder if that money is still around and if KH knew about it? Then she marries RE, gets her education paid for. Manipulates him to adopt James and then divorces him. Not only did she get him to pay child support but she convinced him to pay her more than he was responsible for. Ok she goes on to meet KH, who buys her a mustang, a home of her choice, and then she becomes pregnant after they discussed not having children?? IMO she moves on when she can no longer benefit from the relationship. I wonder if she faked the migraines when she was with RE to set the stage for a divorce. Perhaps she was faking PPD with KH setting the stage for a divorce. It appears there were problems in the marriage, she was spending money behind KH’s back, she was losing patience with the kids, so it sounds like the marriage was heading for divorce. I also found it interesting that she is described as being highly organized and plans in advance. Seems to me June 4th was pre-planned and organized up until 10:15. Lastly, I found James comment at the end very interesting, “She’s not supposed to leave the house.” House arrest perhaps?
Oh geez auto spell check! I NEVER MEANT “ENLIGHTENMENT” issues regarding TH. I meant to say “entitlement” regarding TH.
You are now Salbelle
@emergency sentence structure issues at play here.
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for the Pot shots, at our Blink. So inappropriate.
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@50.CassieS says:
August 24, 2010 at 8:18 pm
I think what I first saw in TMH was evasive, illusive & furtive eyes but now I wonder with all that in her eyes there was also guilt and an “oh my God, I cant believe it has actually happened” & extreme tiredness~ The minute, she was removed from the home ~ she appeared more youthful & refreshed ~ almost like she has new strength & has put Kyron behind her~ “her illness” psycho~ bi-polar -narcissitic -manic depressive behavior. She never bonded with Kyron & probably hasnt bonded with much in her life~
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I completely agree. Her character traits and actions,
including inactions, as told by others, and reported by leaks from KH/DY are quite a fascinating study. Not so sure about the bipolar stuff, probably more (manually applied) read chemically-induced. Definitely there are narcissistic and maybe borderline tendencies at play.
I don’t have the wealth of knowledge that many here do, but I have a bachelor of science degree in psych from a decent U and have always been interested in abnormal psych and actively have read about it for 20 some years. I suppose I got interested because of the dynamics of tiny Kyron and his big smile, his going missing from school and the ages of my boys. And then, there was the whirlwind freakshow of Terri Hormon.
Meant to add that: until the first press conference, I was hopeful, and not pointing fingers. Then I saw TH latched on to DY and KNEW. She did it, she did something, she knows something. Make her sing.
It is making me crazy. If I were KH or DY she would need her own effing restraining order.
How is this helpful> It’s not, I apolly. I am frustrated and heartbroken and I worry and hope and I pray for Kyron every day.
My boys know who he is, and we relearned stranger danger.
I just think that it is important to note your reaction to a person’s countenace when something goes awry. Something TH taught me again.
Looking forward to your next post!
carson, I am laughing so hard. In Blink’s post, I thought she meant Social Services and I was thinking, good golly, when did they start doing that.
No disrespect to anyone, but Lord knows I needed that giggle today!
Your up, did you check older comments?
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Oh my. So many posts! I’m trying to catch up.
That futureman cracks me up everytime.
Sorry if someone already touched upon this: I know TH’s ex-inlaws had told a reporter that Terry once questioned them over their decision to purchase a boat. Evidently Terry wasn’t too thrilled that they were considering spending her son’s inheritance. First of all, what cojones on TH’s part. I would think that the grandparents should be able to decide what they would like to do with their money. They earned it. I was just curious if she was so concerned about the money that was going to be spent on that boat being taken away from HER son’s inheritance, what was she thinking when she looked at little Kyron? Was he a threat to HER children’s inheritance? Geeze, just for chits and giggles I would LOVE to just throw THAT one at my inlaws! “What? You’re going on a vacation? What about your son’s inheritance?” I think they’d shoot me!!!! Not sure if they’d start laughing before or after. She’s a piece of work boy.
Wow, so many good posts in the past 24 hours. There are so many of us thinking along the same lines now. I really feel like everyone is starting to “gel” on a lot of aspects of this case.
I absolutely think TH helped plan the abduction. I can’t get past the Dr. appt. and ensuing confusion. Ms. Porter and another student (not Pumala) both said that they thought Ky had a Dr. appt. that day. It is the ONLY reason that Ky was missing for 5+ hours before any alarms were sounded, and it came from TH. I just can’t see it being a lucky coincidence for the abductor(s).
I keep thinking about the info. from LE that at least two witnesses saw someone else sitting in the Horman truck at Skyline while TH was in the school, and it was not DS or a child. If this is accurate then who was in the Horman truck? It’s really bugging me.
Anyway, the divorce hearing is about to start to so I’ll check on that and provide some news links when they become available later.
From The Oregonian – Maxine Berstein – the rest is just review. I’m sure we will have the exit story too.
Terri Moulton Horman made her first public appearance this afternoon since shortly after her stepson Kyron Horman disappeared, accompanied by her lawyers to Multnomah County Circuit Court about 2:35 p.m.
Horman came up through a back elevator and stoically walked past TV cameras, news photographers, and reporters to a fifth-floor courtroom for a scheduled 3 p.m. divorce-related hearing before Judge Keith Meisenheimer. She and her lawyers were escorted by three Multnomah County sheriff’s deputies to the courtroom.
Share Terri Horman wore a black suit and skirt and heels, and sat between her lawyers Stephen Houze and divorce attorney Peter Bunch.
Her lawyers are consulting with her as they await the hearing.
Sorry, it’s Maxine Bernstein (corrected spelling)
KPTV is saying Terri is at courthouse for hearing, but Kaine is not.
http://www.kptv.com/news/24762275/detail.html
“PORTLAND – Kaine Horman and his estranged wife, Terri Moulton Horman arrived in court Wednesday as part of their divorce proceedings.”
“The two arrived at the Multnomah County courthouse just after 2:30 p.m. for the 3 p.m. hearing.”
{{{RAW Video of TMH arriving also @ link}}}
http://www.kgw.com/news/Kaine–Terri-Horman-expected-in-court-today-101470199.html
Video link short, of TMH arriving
http://www.kgw.com/video?id=101509819&sec=547977
“Both Peter Bunch and Stephen Houze, Terri’s divorce and defense attorneys, respectively, escorted her to courtroom 544.”
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Court-appearances-expected-in-Horman-divorce-case/nViCK_TU30-UdrOlJmu3Fg.cspx
“As this happens, the grand jury in the case will be meeting as well.”
Better but still short video of TMH arrival (on right side of page)
http://www.kptv.com/index.html
This article has a good frontal photo of TMH & Attorney’s.
This article claims Kaine NOT in attendance—sooo have to wait to see exactly who all showed up.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/101511664.html
Interesting note:
“That attorney told KATU they were there for “a scheduling hearing.”
So, it appears the GJ order IS ‘covering’ divorce proceeding, too…
“Nonetheless, the hearing has taken on a life of its own. With the media barred from taking in-court images, “at least two sketch artists furiously drew images of the in-court scene.”
Video clip of TMH/ Attn entering court room
http://www.katu.com/news/local/101511664.html?tab=video
@Mockingbird-about the reciepts: Boy, thats some crazy stuff that people will do and actually very clever even though it is decietful.
@ LPB and Terris lack of responsibility: That seems a common MO for someone with addiction problems. It’s always someone elses problem/fault.
@Phyl: I know a family that is pretty messed up. One of the daughters is in her late forties and barely works, and kept hitting up the parents for money. At one point, one of the other rude sisters made a comment along the lines of “well, we should take what so and so owes you out of the inheritance.” (In the meantime both parents are alive.)
FYI according to google maps/directions, Freds is 5.2 miles not 7 (not a big diff I know but still) and takes 12 min to drive.
@Mockingbird: Her and her lawyerS-interesting that she would need a criminal lawyer in divorce court, eh?
http://twitter.com/anitakissee
twitter from KATU reporter
Teri still wedding ring. OMG, I can’t believe i’m posting such stupid gossipy details. I apologize.